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June 24th, 2010
09:27 AM ET

Woman sues church over gay marriage

Years before the nation's capital legalized same-sex marriage in March, one church in Washington, D.C., opened its doors to gay couples as part of its mission to establish an "inclusive body of Biblical believers."

Pastors Christine and Dennis Wiley performed a 2007 commitment ceremony at their altar.  That action split the historically black church, prompting half of the congregation to leave.

Yvonne Moore not only left Covenant Baptist, where she had worshipped for nearly 40 years: she filed a lawsuit for her weekly tithes because, as she said, "They didn't respect the members enough to listen to us."

Moore said she attended the 2007 commitment ceremony and found it "totally disgusting."

"I don't believe in that, I'm southern Baptist," Moore told CNN's Soledad O'Brien.  "The bible speaks against that. You cannot take that in the church."

So she sued the church for a portion of the estimated $250,000 that she estimates she had paid in weekly donations over the past 37 years.

Read how race and ethnicity can be a challenge to gay acceptance

Moore's now former pastors believe that gay rights are a natural extension of the black Civil Rights movement.

"I don't think we as a people have a lock on civil rights," Pastor Dennis Wiley said.

The struggle for civil rights is something that Moore can relate to:  Growing up in Florida, she said she was one of the first blacks to eat at a lunch counter in her hometown.

But she is still on the fence about comparing her situation, as an African-American, to that of the gay community.  She said Dennis Wiley asked her to consider the situation of her friend, who is gay.

"Dennis asked me ... 'How do you feel the way you were treated and just think about the way he was treated.'  And I was like, 'Oh, OK,'" Moore said.

She later dropped her lawsuit, but has not returned to the church.

Editor's note:  CNN's Soledad O'Brien follows a same-sex couple in their struggle against the legal and personal obstacles to become parents. Can these men achieve a life as mainstream as their parents? Watch "Gary and Tony Have a Baby," 8 p.m. ET Thursday.

- CNN.com Senior Producer

Filed under: Baptist • Belief • Gay marriage

soundoff (342 Responses)
  1. Tom

    We need to support the civil rights of polygamists, philanderers, and pedophiles as well.

    June 24, 2010 at 11:10 am |
    • Krissy

      Ah, yes, I can see how pedophilia and gay marraige are the same. Way to go, moron

      June 24, 2010 at 11:48 am |
    • GI Female (vet)

      Ignorant, terrified person.

      June 24, 2010 at 12:24 pm |
    • JennyTX

      Pedophiles? Nope. They need to go to prison if they ever touch a child. Children have a right to be protected from pedophiles.

      June 25, 2010 at 12:13 am |
  2. Ibobo

    If two men can marry, then why cant a man marry his daughter or his mother or sister? Its all about free will, right? Men who want to marry their close relatives are discriminated against too, right? What's the logical difference in discrimination? What about people who want to marry more than one woman? They're discriminated against too. As far as I know, that's STILL illegal. Does it make a difference that everyone involved is over 18?

    June 24, 2010 at 11:08 am |
    • Jonathan

      I say let them get married but someone is going to have to get a vasectomy. The main reason this practice has been stopped is because of the high rate of birth defects. It simply puts a burden on taxpayers to have to support the kids of these unions. No such issue gays, they can't have kids. If anything they only help because they're actually willing to adopt unwanted children.

      June 24, 2010 at 11:32 am |
    • Ibobo

      Wait a second. You support men marrying their daughters and sisters as long as they get vascetomies? And you see nothing wrong with that? This is exactly what's wrong with the gay debate - it makes people actually think that up is down and down is up. You "pro-gay" people need to take a breath and reflect deeper than adopting pop-culture rhetoric as your own without analysis.

      June 24, 2010 at 11:41 am |
    • JohnQuest

      Ibobo, the point you are missing, is those laws are the same for all. Singling out an group by the state is wrong on every level, the state should treat all citizens the same. We don't have separates schools for gays or separate tax rates, we expect them to work, go to school, and participate in society like everyone else. If a church does not want gays (blacks, whites, Jews, or whatever) that should be up to the church but the state should never discriminate against any of it's people. And remember not all people are believers nor do all people interrupt the Bible the same way, we pick and chose what to believe, for example we no longer stone to death sinners.

      June 24, 2010 at 11:57 am |
  3. Carol

    No, Pete. Marriage has a religious basis and is confirmed by vows. People through the eons have been coupling without the enduring commitment of vows. Marriage rises above the mere coupling and makes the commitment permanent.

    June 24, 2010 at 11:08 am |
    • Sarah

      Actually, Marriage has a legal base. Without approval from the government you can't get married anywhere to anyone.

      June 24, 2010 at 11:36 am |
    • Legion

      To be more accurate marriage has social basis. To publicly acknowledge a couple. In its earliest forms is was ownership. A man owning a woman, and his promise to be responsible for her( the vows you speak of ). And has been around far longer than Christianity. It has evolved over the ions to keep up with the times. People all over the world get married. Christians and non-christians alike. I am not religious myself. So should I not be allowed to marry? Are my vow's any less important? Do I need the fear of the flying spaghetti monster to keep my vow's? I think not ma'dam.

      June 24, 2010 at 11:42 am |
    • Leah (TXanimal)

      The idea of marrying for love is relatively new in history. Marriage was (and still is in many places) a social, business or political transaction engineered by the two families involved. Royalty and nobility married (and still do in some cases) to create or uphold political treaties. Upper and middle classes married to solidify inheritances and ensure the legacy of family businesses. Lower classes married in order to climb social ladders or simply ensure the females would be taken care of. If the two individuals happened to fall in love, that was a bonus.

      In the US, marriage is governed by the state. It doesn't matter if you get married in a church by a religious leader, by a JP at the courthouse, or by some other individual authorized by the state in your backyard with a keg. The STATE says whether or not you're married...religion is simply a personal spin you may choose to place on said ceremony.

      June 24, 2010 at 2:24 pm |
    • JennyTX

      Marriage is religious? What about non-religious people who are married by JPs instead of ministers? Are their marriages fake? Nope. Their marriages are no less real and committed as people who married in a church.

      June 25, 2010 at 12:10 am |
  4. Jen

    News Flash: Men can't have children. They adopt. Would you seriously rather an innocent child live out their life lost in the system or have a loving family that will teach him or her acceptance of others?

    June 24, 2010 at 11:07 am |
  5. jimmy d

    yea, they are obviously disgusting; Let's make sure they are not baptized in the same water. Make them use different baptisimal water; different buses to get to church; hang them if they disobey. That'll teach 'em.

    June 24, 2010 at 11:06 am |
  6. ladydee

    What if gays were born to be gay? what if we were each born uniquely? what if some of us were meant to procreate while others have a different destiny? what if love was a good and natural source of life? what if we didn't have these huge infanstructures that created boundaries that defied human nature....imagine that! no slavery, no civil right violation...my goodness – could you even imagine the idea of people living on this earth being....um.....themselves without someone else trying to supress their very NATURE! wow! imagine that!

    June 24, 2010 at 11:04 am |
  7. Jen

    If its not one thing, its another. There will ALWAYS be something that people discriminate against. First women, then blacks, now gays. I wonder what comes next.

    Some people say that the gays have chosen to be like that, but they can't "choose" to be gay just as much as straights "choose" to be straight. Growing up, you learn the hard way that you can't control who your heart pines after. The heart wants what it wants, regardless of the wishes of the mind. Has there never been someone in your life that you did or didn't want to love? Keep that in mind before you judge another human being.

    June 24, 2010 at 11:04 am |
  8. Ibobo

    Being gay and the discrimination they suffer is completely different than what Blacks suffered in the 60's. Blacks were firebombed while at church; not allowed to vote; relegated to second-class citizen status by being forced to sit at back of bus; enter public establishments in the back; killed by sheriffs and other law enforcement with impunity - and all of this while they were taxed as regular citizens. Gays NEVER suffered any such indignities. Anyone who says different is either a fool or has a politcal agenda. The camparison between the two groups is insulting to Blacks.

    June 24, 2010 at 11:04 am |
    • Krissy

      Are you serious? Have you even read a history book? While not as promoted as the civil rights era, gays/lesbains have been hugely discriminated against and targeted. What do you think a big push behind the hate crime laws was? It was not all about race.

      June 24, 2010 at 11:08 am |
    • Lindy

      Sorry, an insult? What is insulting is all of this. Gays have hate crimes, drisriminated from jobs, killed, can't marry legally etc. Give me a break.

      June 24, 2010 at 11:14 am |
  9. Lindy

    Thats a shame Ms. Moore and sad. This coming from an african american woman who has had to have dealt with discrimination herself. What ever happened to "equality"? African Americans have been wanting "equality for years and expect to be treated equally to everyone, why is it not the same for gays and lesbians. We need less close minded individuals. I praise this church for not only opening their doors, hearts and minds to "christians" of all types. Ms. Moore let me pay you your money!

    June 24, 2010 at 11:02 am |
    • Damon

      Why is it that you put quotes around christians? Is it that gay people are not really christians? If so, I would agree with you. I don't believe you can be a Christ-follower and still live against a Biblical truth.

      June 24, 2010 at 11:14 am |
    • Mimi

      Wow, Damon. You must be the only person in the world who is living a perfect life in accordance with all Biblical principles. Or are you not, by your own definition, a Christian? In any case, if you can follow all the commandments perfectly like that, why do you think you need a Savior. You seem to be saying that Christ is obsolete for real Christians? Which I object to. But then, I'm not perfect like you.

      June 24, 2010 at 4:11 pm |
  10. Pete

    I see something more wrong with people like you having kids.

    June 24, 2010 at 11:02 am |
  11. cdw

    gay is not A cival right. It is a behavior

    June 24, 2010 at 11:01 am |
    • Jonathan

      Whether it is a choice or natural does not change the fact that two consenting adults should have the same rights as everyone else. Personally I think it's natural. I have a lot of gay friends all of whom say they've known forever they are gay. Not being gay myself I am forced to believe them. I cannot say something like, "it's a behavior" because I simply can't know that. Which brings me to you. Are you ready to come out of the closet or are you going to back down on your statement. There really are no other choices, you couldn't possibly know.

      June 24, 2010 at 11:28 am |
    • Leah (TXanimal)

      Religion is a behavior. That's protected. What point are you trying to make?

      June 24, 2010 at 2:36 pm |
    • frustrated

      THANK YOU JONATHON!! i love it when people argue intelligently. i, personally, agree with jonathon's point of view, and he made a VERY good arguement for it. but if you would like to counteract that statement or any other statement you happen to disagree with, PLEASE make sense. back up your statements with proof or logic or SOMETHING. not just feelings. feelings are completely useless for a topic this important.

      June 24, 2010 at 5:10 pm |
    • tommy thomas

      I think that grown people should be able to choose whom they love; the church or just people in general always have a problem they don't understand. Well there is a scripture for all you holier than thou folks who God put in charge to judge people; the very thing you fear the most shall come up on you.
      Leave people alone! that just tells me your life must be boring as hell so you meddle with others; southern baptist or otherwise
      I call it NOSY!

      June 25, 2010 at 8:07 pm |
  12. ambi

    yeah I can't believe she sued for 37 years?? LOL I might can even see the years they opened up the church to gays, and no I don't agree with your at all, but just being logical, you can sue for anything but she was just trying to take advantage

    June 24, 2010 at 10:59 am |
    • Carol

      I don't think so. I think she was trying to make a point. Actions have consequences.

      June 24, 2010 at 11:04 am |
  13. Carol

    Yvonne Moore's concern seems to be that gays were "married" in her church. Most people are uncomfortable with that concept. There is not as much discrimination against gays in general as there is for gays to "marry." Marriage is a relation between a husband and wife. If gays wish to partner, they should have a civil union and not usurp the term of marriage.

    June 24, 2010 at 10:59 am |
    • Pete

      Marriage is a word to describe a legal arrangement. Gays should be part of that as well as anyone else. "Most" people have always been ignorant, and every single civil rights movement has had to challenge "most people's" discomfort.

      Does gay people marrying make you uncomfortable? Tough.

      June 24, 2010 at 11:01 am |
    • Krissy

      Marrying in a church is about making a commitment in front of God, right? Or something like that? Are gays/lesbians not allowed to be religious? Last I checked God loved all people.

      June 24, 2010 at 11:05 am |
    • Jonathan

      Civil Unions do not grant all the same rights as marriage. Therefore gays are not "usurping" the term they are simply using the only term available to them that will give them the same rights. If you want to be realistic about it, according to you everyone should have a civil union...at least legally speaking. You can go and get "married" in a church after that if you'd like. Then you have the legal recognition, the religious recognition, and you can still say you're married.

      June 24, 2010 at 11:25 am |
    • JeramieH

      Why don't we ask Yvonne Moore how "separate but equal" worked out for her?

      June 24, 2010 at 11:31 am |
  14. JB

    Wow, there is one of these articles just about every day...

    Just part of the constant drumbeat intended to condition the public.

    June 24, 2010 at 10:56 am |
  15. Melissa

    It's against Gods will to be so nosey and judgmental. That woman just needs to die off already... sorry but its true.

    June 24, 2010 at 10:56 am |
    • shodan

      Yeah, I've noticed many "Christians" see to conveniently ignore that whole "judge not, lest ye be judged" part of the bible.

      June 24, 2010 at 11:03 am |
    • Mae

      AMEN!

      June 24, 2010 at 11:16 am |
    • DanW

      Wishing her dead is equally bad.

      June 25, 2010 at 12:39 am |
  16. liftoff

    What a whack job! I am going to sue the federal government for not listening to me.

    June 24, 2010 at 10:53 am |
    • Carol

      Now there's a concept I can relate to. What do you think? could we get a class action suit going? Who's ready to sign on? I have a whole list of grievances to file.

      June 24, 2010 at 11:01 am |
    • Ivan

      Sorry Some People, that should have read @Thirsty (Doh to me.......)

      June 24, 2010 at 2:48 pm |
  17. Some People

    Apples and Oranges are pretty similar things, maybe you mean apples and chainsaws? And gays don't choose to be outed, they are born that way, no one would purposely try and bring negative attention to themselves like that, just like blacks are born that way, and they would not purposely bring negative attention to themselves either.

    June 24, 2010 at 10:48 am |
    • Thirsty

      There was a girl I knew and she use to be gay. All she did was date girls all thoughout college but now she likes men and men only. By your logic she was born gay and then what, she was born again straight? Could it be that she liked women and then grew out of it and chose to started liking men. You may not be able to control how you feel to a certain point, but you can control how you act on those feelings. Comparing being gay to being black is just silly, simply because like I mentioned before there are people that go from being gay to being straight as a personal preference and there are no people that go from being black to some other race.

      June 24, 2010 at 11:39 am |
    • Krissy

      So, wait, you expect all gays/lesbians to suddenly "grow out" of it? Do you expect the Palestinians and Israelis to suddenly just start getting along, as well?

      June 24, 2010 at 11:44 am |
    • Steve

      @Thirsty
      Then she wasn't gay, but bisexual. Sexuality isn't a binary black and white thing. Sexuality may change at certain points in life, but it's not a conscious decision. People don't choose to be gay or straight and nothing can make them change.
      The same is true in reverse, with people who marry for one reason or another and then later in life, realize that they are gay. They may think they are in love and be really good friends with their partner, but that perspective can change when they discover true love.

      The so-called "ex-gay" movement is a scam and does nothing but psychological damage to people. They may pretend to be straight, but it's pure denial and not a healthy way to live. Just a the closet isn't a healthy place to live.

      June 25, 2010 at 11:47 am |
  18. Mark

    It is "apples and oranges" to compare the Civil rights movement to Gay rights. 1. There are no "Gay Ghettos" 2. There are no legions of Gays limited to jobs such as dishwashing and train porters. 3. Gays choose to "be outed". Blacks can't hide.

    June 24, 2010 at 10:32 am |
    • Pete

      No gay ghettos? There aren't any NOW only because more straight people are comfortable living around gay people. And no job discrimination? Are you serious? Even today people like you are trying to keep gay people out of teaching jobs. Gays aren't welcome in most sports. Gays are STILL discriminated against in the military.

      Yes, you're right, gays can "hide" who they are and live a life of shame in the closet.

      But then again, no black person has ever been thrown out of their home, as teens, just because they were black either.

      Amazing the lengths people will go to excuse bigotry.

      Every type of discrimination is different. That's not an argument to discriminate.

      June 24, 2010 at 10:50 am |
    • StevieBoy

      There's a lot of ignorance in that statement – should've kept it to yourself!

      June 24, 2010 at 10:52 am |
    • Krissy

      Apples and oranges are both types of fruit.....

      June 24, 2010 at 10:53 am |
    • ambi

      sure there is, some can not get a job because they are gay, can't live anywhere because they are gay, can't marry who they want (i.e blacks marrying outside their race) even though they are in love. Not gay but I never understood WHY do people like you and other even care? Even if you use religion isn't vengeance suppose to be God's work and not ours so let God sort it out when they die.

      June 24, 2010 at 10:57 am |
    • Josh

      Wrong! How ignorant can you be? Many gays cannot hide what they are and why should they? Gay ghettos? What a racist remark... Blacks are not forced to work service jobs, they do so because they are either poorly educated -to nearly no fault of their own- or they were raised in an environment that didn't encourage anything better out of them. And guess what? It happens in every race, not just black people. White people, Latinos, Asians, Indians, they all work in the service industry they all have regions of poverty. Gays have to face discrimination for being who they are -regardless of whether or not they are "out".

      June 24, 2010 at 11:04 am |
    • B More MD

      I agree 100%

      June 24, 2010 at 11:05 am |
    • Jonathan

      Gays choose to be outed? Are you kidding me. I know a lot of gay people. Some of them couldn't hide it if they wanted to. You can tell them to tone down the flamboyancy all you want but some people are the way they are; nothing more and nothing less.

      June 24, 2010 at 11:21 am |
    • Robert

      Wrong, Mark. I'm gay and I see the parallels every day.

      1. There are gay ghettos all over the country. Ever ask yourself why all those gay people clump together in neighborhoods? I can tell you. Safety, for one. You don't have to worry about bigoted neighbors vandalizing your home or threatening your family. And it sure is nice to be able to participate in community life without being ostracized. They may be nice neighborhoods, but that's because gay people tend to be hard-working, with a definite pride in their homes, but make no mistake, we can't just live anywhere without fear. I've tried it. I learned my lesson in rural Georgia. These are ghettos, by any other name.
      2. I've known gay people fired from their jobs simply because their employer learned they were gay. If you don't think employment discrimination exists, try this study. Go to pretty much any rural business in the so-called Bible Belt and drop the news that you are gay as you fill out your job application. I can pretty much guarantee you that you'll still be looking for a job next year. And the year after.
      3, Not all gay people choose to be outed. Often it happens against their will. On another note, sure, gay people can try to "pass" for straight, just like light-skinned black people sometimes "passed" for white in the old south. Yep, another parallel. And why is this? Gay people have been taught to hate themselves like African-Americans were. They know they may have to put up with bigotry and senseless hatred. I suspect many older African-Americans understand that all too well.

      My partner and I (both from the south) recently had to travel to New England to get married. Some of the folks up there likened it to the days of the Underground Railroad when slaves had to travel north for freedom.

      Equivalent, no, I don't claim that. Parallel? Yes.

      June 24, 2010 at 11:29 am |
    • Jani

      both are smaller, round fruits that grow on trees. Both have seeds on the inside and are rather juicy.. only difference I see is that they're different colors... Wait! are you racist?

      June 24, 2010 at 11:32 am |
    • mmpdx

      Of your 3 points, not one of them means that you can't compare the Gay Rights movement to the Civil Rights movement. At the core of each movement is the idea that everyone deserves to be treated with equal respect. The difference between them is that we can't "disagree" with someone's race, but you CAN disagree with someone's choice of partner. But disagreeing with that choice doesn't also mean that you can limit their right to enjoy all the freedoms and privileges that straight people enjoy, such as the ability to marry one's partner.

      June 24, 2010 at 3:20 pm |
    • Nuklehid

      You sound stupid. From the top the United States military won't even allow gays to be themselves, so you know lots of business owners won't hire those who are outwardly gay.

      June 25, 2010 at 12:40 pm |
  19. Live&LetLive

    Gays are born that way, doesn't get more natural than that.

    What I find most disturbing is the unatural obsession some people have with what other people do in the privacy of their homes or who someone chooses to fall in love with.

    June 24, 2010 at 10:30 am |
    • Krissy

      Completely agree.
      Where do people even get the time to care about what others do in their own home that does not harm anyone? I have a list they can start if they have that much time on their hands.

      June 24, 2010 at 10:52 am |
    • rp

      There is not one shred of evidence that gay people are "born that way" and gay marriages are not being performed or kept in people homes. They have become a public spectacle and the constant attempts by a vocal minority to make it appear normal are no better for our kids and future as a society than smoking ads used to be.

      June 24, 2010 at 11:18 am |
    • Joe R.

      There is still NO evidence people are born gay. However, there are former gays in heterosexual marriages.

      June 24, 2010 at 11:40 am |
    • Joe R.

      There is still NO evidence people are born gay. However, there are former gays in male female marriages

      June 24, 2010 at 11:41 am |
    • Krissy

      Actually, there have been several studies that at this point suggest people are born gay and there is further research on-going. Try "Google" for some legit medical publications and educate yourself.

      June 24, 2010 at 11:42 am |
    • A. Goodwin

      RP – sorry (or not sorry)...you happen to be wrong. a) Homosexuality runs in families – studies show that 8 to 12 percent of brothers of gay men are also gay, compared with the 2 to 4 percent of the general population. b) In 1990, the psychobiologist Simon LeVay published research that revealed differences in small parts of the brain between gay and straight men. Three years later, further research argued that there were chromosomal differences. Since then there has been an "absolute explosion" in research into the area, Dr Rahman said, but his is the first attempt to analyse it together. c) A recent study suggests linkage between a mother's genetic make-up and homosexuality of her sons. Women have two X chromosomes, one of which is "switched off". The inactivation of the X chromosome occurs randomly throughout the embryo, resulting in cells that are mosaic with respect to which chromosome is active. In some cases though, it appears that this switching off can occur in a non-random fashion. Bocklandt et al. (2006) reported that, in mothers of homosexual men, the number of women with extreme skewing of X chromosome inactivation is significantly higher than in mothers without gay sons. Thirteen percent of mothers with one gay son, and 23% of mothers with two gay sons showed extreme skewing, compared to 4% percent of mothers without gay sons.....I could go on and on..but dont want to bore you with...I dunno – facts.

      June 24, 2010 at 11:47 am |
    • kapukane

      JOE R.: There is no such thing as a "former gay". Doesn't exist. What you have a man "pretending" and "acting" because of self hatred...mostly related to religious upbringing and pleasing their family. Being disowned from your family for being who you are and who God meant for you to be is devastating. Some men....thank God very few....feel they must try and pretend and live the role...but they will be miserable and it will never last.

      June 24, 2010 at 12:34 pm |
    • Donal

      Live&LetLive: At the risk of sounding like a fundamentalist, AMEN!!! But you use logic and reason. Unfortuantely, far too many Xians adhere to that ridiculous adage often found on bumber stickers: "God said it. I believe it. And that settles it."

      June 24, 2010 at 1:34 pm |
    • mmpdx

      Who cares if gay people are born that way? As a gay person, I don't. Regardless of the "nature vs. nurture" question, I should be able to choose who I love AND expect to have the same basic rights (including the right to marry my partner) as anyone else.

      June 24, 2010 at 3:03 pm |
    • Martin

      It doesn't matter if people are born gay or become gay. People simply are gay, no one knows for sure why, but what is for sure is they are the way they are and can be happy and love if only people will let them!

      June 24, 2010 at 4:03 pm |
    • DanW

      @A. Goodwin...Simon LeVey's "work" was discredited years ago. He studied only the brains of homosexual men who had died from AIDS and it was quickly realized that many of the differences n the brains could have been the result of the virus. As to the latest study indicating that gay marriage is good for kids, try reading the study itself. Ninety-three percent of the lesbians in the latest study were MIDDLE CLASS as opposed to the heterosexual couples who represented a more general cross section of American society. The class differences alone can account for the differences in childrens' behavior. It's junk science, as are ALL of the progay studies from Margaret Meade's "Coming of Age in Somoa" to Dr. Kinsey's report, in which he only interviewed men in prison and male prostitutes and then stated that 50% of American men had had homosexual sex. The American public continues to put their faith in this kind of junk science, because they WANT to. There is no real science to back it up.

      June 25, 2010 at 12:36 am |
    • STUFF

      There are also people born with diabetes and MS, they are ALSO diseases just as homosexuality is. It is a mental condition. Nothing more, nothing less. If it is so natural, why do they all have to play 'roles'? If you are a woman attracted to a woman, why does one act butch and one more feminine? Please do not tell me that is a minority group either because NO they ALLLLLLLL act like that. Ya wanna know why? Because they themselves know deep down that it is a perversion. It will always be viewed that way no matter what. Get used to being an outcast.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:14 pm |
    • Goreczky

      Ive never seen/heard/read about a "former gay". Ever.

      July 12, 2010 at 7:56 am |
    • Kay

      I don't think people have an unnatural reaction to gay marriage, but rather they are reacting to the UNNATURAL behavior of homosexual acts. Church goers have every right to be upset. It says clearly in the Bible in both Old and New Testament that it is against God. Paul warns that homosexual behavior is one of the sins that will deprive one of heaven: "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Cor. 6:9–10, NIV)

      August 11, 2010 at 5:10 pm |
  20. Reality

    It is the natural way vs. the unnatural way and that bothers a lot of people to include Yvonne Moore!!!!!

    June 24, 2010 at 9:45 am |
    • StevieBoy

      Yeah, I can see where you would think that two people falling in love is "unnatural" The world DOES NOT need that happening, no sir! We need to keep that out of sight... just unnatural!

      June 24, 2010 at 10:55 am |
    • Jeff B.

      That's not the issue. A church is a private organization that follows a certain code. If you dont like the code, dont belong to the organization. Even Christians have the right to believe as they see fit, just as gays, or gay supporters, have the right to believe as they see fit. What is the alternative...BAN the bible ? or just portions of it you dont agree with ? OR, do we not ban the bible, but instead, just ban the PRACTICES of those portions ?.

      June 24, 2010 at 11:15 am |
    • runswithbeer

      We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

      June 24, 2010 at 11:22 am |
    • Geoz

      Gay marriage and all gay rights are on the way here. And thank... welll... thanks to all of the activitists and allies who are making it happen. It is risky hard work. I'm glad to be any small part of that victory over ignorance as seen in the comment to which I am replying.

      I am reminded of the hymn "they will know we are Christians by our love" that we used to sing in church. Really? Will we? It seems we know more about Christians for what they find to be the abomination of the day. Is that you think Jesus would do?

      If hate is a part of your relgion, if you think you should pick a verse or two, but not all of the verses, then your purity tests will soon enough exclude you from your own church. I think you are akin to the Pharisees, and deserve to be tossed out of the church, with all of your self-serving rules.

      June 24, 2010 at 11:37 am |
    • Sidney

      To an extent I agree with Miss Moore. Accepting gays into the congregation is commendable and should be encouraged. As the church, we should open up our hearts and doors to them...offering them the unmolested Word of GOD in hopes that this may sway their actions. But marrying them is completely against Biblical principles. Man and woman were made for each other and not any other combination. Perfoming same sex marriage in a church would be the same as offering our children rooms and condoms to have sex with emphasis on safe sex and atleast we know what our kids are doing rather than them sneaking behind our backs. That notion is obsurd and should never be condoned by the church. Marriage is a commitment made before GOD, how can we condone this union in the church when GOD says it is an abomination before Him. What is more comparable to civil rights stuggle are the police who were given authority to profile Mexicans in Arizona. Our country was established on Biblical pricinples and strong belief, but more and more it's becoming socially acceptable to deviate away from GOD's commandments. If the church doesn't uphold GOD's comandments, who on Earth will?

      June 24, 2010 at 11:38 am |
    • A. Goodwin

      Moe – Your post is the very reason why people like me are agnostic or athiest! You are probably one of those people who if God told you to jump off a bridge, you would (although the rest of us know its only the voices in your own head). Thank you for making my decision to be agnostic so much easier!!

      June 24, 2010 at 11:38 am |
    • Larry

      Marriage is a term for humans that can procreate. The ability to procreate physically. Like it or not it is natural. Gays want to take procreation out of the conversation, and replace it with sex. Cristians are not people who just go to church. They are people who believe in God, thrust in him, follow his word, and repent of their wrongful ways. If you don't repent and change, your not a christian. Like it or not, if you can't procreate, you can't get married. "Christians" will never accept gay marriage because they cannot, if their to be christians. They can only teach you where you are wrong. They dont hate you. Christians know you will probably be unhappy in life. People wont accept you. According to the bible, Like it or not God wont accept you either. You Will be unhappy as long as you go against God. Thats the way it is. My wish as a christian is all gays could fight their demons and live Godly lives. My wish as a christian, knowing that " all who sin are slaves" all people who sin could fight their demons ,whatever that sin is, and live Godly lives, the results I hear are everlasting.

      June 24, 2010 at 11:44 am |
    • Bubba

      Runs, you are allowed to pursue happiness. There's no guarantee that you will catch up to it. Joran van der Sloth is pursuing happiness right this moment, but he is pursuing it very slowly.

      June 24, 2010 at 12:49 pm |
    • Bob

      @Larry – So according to you, an infertile couple shouldn't be married? How about the elderly? Neither are marrying to procreate. I've read the Bible many times, and I've never seen a passage that states that marriage is only for those that can procreate.

      We as Christians often forget that there are sins that we allow every day without question. The Old Testament prohibits usury levied on the poor Christians. The Torah is much more explicit in it's condemnation of usury, going as far as prohibiting it to any of the followers of God. Do Christian bankers levy interest on other Christians, or the poor Christians? Yes, they do.

      Take a look at your congregation and count up the number of divorced and remarried couples. They are living in adultery. Are they repentant for their sins? No, or they would no longer live in sin.

      I find it highly ironic that many (if not most) of the Christians that strongly oppose gay rights, etc., are biblical literalists, yet they pick and choose which parts of biblical laws they follow.

      June 24, 2010 at 12:49 pm |
    • Leah (TXanimal)

      rp: the discussion is about 2 consenting adults choosing to marry. Last time I checked minors cannot consent to marry. Find new material.

      June 24, 2010 at 2:09 pm |
    • Terri L

      @ Bob, thank you so much for such an eloquent and true post. May I add there are also many interpretations in Bibles that are far from the original texts meanings so not only do Christians pick and choose they pick and choose from misinterpretations.

      June 24, 2010 at 2:30 pm |
    • Alverant

      What's so "natural" about worshiping a figment of your imagination?

      June 24, 2010 at 2:40 pm |
    • Reality

      The American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Association of Psychologists have reviewed the topic. I have the referencea but for some reason the moderators will not allow it. Very strange!! Google or Bing both groups adding the topic words since even s– words are blog-forbidden.

      June 24, 2010 at 2:54 pm |
    • Reality

      The American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Association of Psychologists have reviewed the topic. I have the references but for some reason the moderators will not allow it. Very strange!! Google or Bing both groups adding the topic words since even s– words are blog-forbidden.

      June 24, 2010 at 2:55 pm |
    • mmpdx

      RP, what does pedophilia have to do with gay marriage?

      June 24, 2010 at 2:57 pm |
    • mmpdx

      moe, your response makes no sense. It's precisely the fact that the bible makes statements like "women are property" that make it a fallible book.

      June 24, 2010 at 2:59 pm |
    • LB Colorado

      I believe it was Saul that compromised with the people and their wants. He was taken out pretty quick. Churches that preach God's Word should abide by the Word. Easy, it is not, but God did not say it would be easy. I would leave a church if they performed same sex marriages. Church of God's Word is no place for a same sex wedding. Go to the Justice of Peace, that is where you can be accepted as you are. I am glad I am not the pastor of that church – scary place to be.

      June 25, 2010 at 10:46 am |
    • jim

      StevieBoy: Don't be idiotic ! You may not agree with Reality but you know what he means.

      June 25, 2010 at 1:17 pm |
    • jim atmadison

      What's natural for you and me isn't the same as what's natural for other people. It would be unnatural for my niece to be in a romantic relationship with a man the way she is with her long-time partner.

      As long as they're consenting adults, it's an essentially equal relationship, and they aren't hurting anyone, we're supportive.

      June 26, 2010 at 5:01 pm |
    • Reality

      Privacy?? Heck check out all the on-line por- sites. All kinds of natural and unnatural stuff going on!!!

      June 26, 2010 at 5:10 pm |
    • Sergio

      This is again zealots vs rationals. Zealots only believe what they learned in fantasy books and will not accept what's in front of their noses.

      July 2, 2010 at 12:56 pm |
    • Ashanti Hassan

      I am a strong advocate of people's right to their own opinions and would defend this right to death. However, when people use the bible as the basis for their opinions, that's where I draw the line. To them I say, "Do not judge, lest ye be JUDGED"!

      I myself always that a major sin was to judge someone else, after all if you cite that you are a Christian, does this mean you only take from the good book, only the doctrines which you can abide by??

      July 6, 2010 at 2:01 pm |
    • Eva

      I have tried to look for evidence in the Bible how it condemns homosexuality, but I found none. Not more than it condemns not observing the Sabbath. And none of us observes it any more, often not even Sundays. What I found against homosexuality was just one or two passages, with some remote references to promiscuous acts that happened to have been performed by homosexuals. However I found countless direct warnings in the Bible against judging the others, failing to practice mercy, or failing to perform charity. Most of all, Jesus' words that directly state that the rich person should distribute his entire wealth among the poor, otherwise he will never enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Yet, how many of us would ban rich people from the churches? How many of us would feel we are condemned to hell as long as we have more than zero penny on our bank account? How come that some words of the Bible we take so seriously while easily skip the others? Isn't is so because we like to tailor God's will to our own taste and find everything else "disgusting"?

      What Jesus would tell us if He would be among us: those of you who are without sin, and can fulfil all the letters of what I ever told you, should cast the first stone.

      July 20, 2010 at 12:10 pm |
    • Kay

      The Bible is explicitly clear against homosexual behaviors. So good for those church members who left that church. That church is no longer following Christ but their own human idea of "love". I applaud Ms. Moore. She did the right thing in leaving the church. The Apostles would have done the same.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:07 pm |
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