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July 23rd, 2010
11:03 AM ET

Pope defrocks U.S. priest over abuse allegations

Pope Benedict XVI has defrocked an Ohio priest after allegations he sexually abused a child, the Catholic Diocese of Youngstown said Friday.

Thomas Crum was removed from active ministry last year "in response to credible accusations of sexual misconduct involving a minor," the diocese said in a written statement.

The Vatican, reeling from allegations in recent years, released tougher rules earlier this month aimed at stopping the abuse of children by its priests.

"The Vatican has notified the Diocese of Youngstown that Pope Benedict XVI has accepted the request of Thomas Crum and removed him from the priesthood," the diocese said.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Catholic Church • Pope Benedict XVI • Sex abuse

soundoff (288 Responses)
  1. Paul

    Gotta think if he is just an "alleged" child abuser and he was defrocked, it should be a quick trial...

    July 23, 2010 at 5:28 pm |
  2. justwanttosay

    Funny how we all judge the priest of the Catholic Church and are quick to point a finger... Ever think that this is all our fault for letting our world get so ugly... Yeah don't get me wrong it makes me mad to think that someone I am supposed to be able to trust can turn around and do this to young boys. But belive it or not, like it or not, priest or no priest it's being done everyday everywhere no matter what religion or staus. Like the saying says let he who is free of sin throw the first stone... People are quick to throw stones but don't realize things they do on a daily basis might not be as bad but they are bad like it or not no one is perfect. Quick to judge others but dont look in the mirror and see what is going on with onesself. Fix what is at home before you can fix what is out in the streets!!!

    July 23, 2010 at 5:22 pm |
    • Americana78

      truth.

      July 23, 2010 at 6:07 pm |
    • David Johnson

      Wasn't my fault the priests are pervs.

      July 23, 2010 at 6:08 pm |
    • keburg

      What a string of nonsensical gibberish. The man is a pedophile; I am not a pedophile. The man abused children; I didn't.
      What part of that do you not grasp?

      July 24, 2010 at 8:20 am |
  3. hal

    Such a sickness exists in the catholic church today.
    The leaders are mostly all corrupt yet stand in front of the congrations and preach all the right things to do and believe in.
    After hours they go and commit such evil upon children.
    This is not what Jesus taught or believed in.
    There many religious people male and female who use the word of God to hide behind their evil doings.
    Their judgement day will be most severe compared to us "normal sinners"
    I pray for this illness to be eliminated no matter how many of these "good preachers" are eliminated in the name of saving the children!!!

    July 23, 2010 at 5:21 pm |
    • Bosco111

      Judge not lest ye be judged. Love thine enemies. Forgive. You might want to consider walking the walk in addition to trying to talk the talk. What you spew is not what He taught – not by a long shot.

      July 23, 2010 at 6:10 pm |
  4. Chas

    Marriage outside the church isn't an offense that can lead to excommunication. Hasn't been such an offense since 1982 Code of Canon Law and wasn't an enforced offense before that. It isn't a Church-recognized marriage, and that means that the church considers it an adulterous relationship, so it's sinful, but not excommunication.

    Defrocking is appropriate for molestation. The church removes any symbol of authority from the person... they have no special status in the church that they could exploit by trusting members of the church. They're also not thrown aside, however. Christ forgave all who show true remorse and a true effort at atonement, and the Church tries to emulate that. This person won't be in a position of authority or trust- he will never again be a shepherd of men– but should he seek true penitent reconciliation, he might be part of the flock.

    July 23, 2010 at 5:20 pm |
    • Daniel

      It -was- enforced before that. My great-grandmother was excommunicated around 1910 for marrying a Methodist.

      My grandfather, circa 1935, was excommunicated for remarrying after a divorce.

      Those laws were certainly enforced.

      Which begs the question, why have no priests been excommunicated for sexually abusing minors?

      July 23, 2010 at 7:11 pm |
  5. Mary Anne

    I don't hate the Catholic Church. I am a Catholic. I am just fed up with the "boy's club" that seems to make up rules that exclude rather than include.

    July 23, 2010 at 5:19 pm |
    • Americana78

      I agree with you on that issue Mary... of women in the Church

      July 23, 2010 at 5:29 pm |
    • CatholicMom

      Mary Anne,
      It appears that you don’t understand why women cannot become ordained priests in the Catholic Church…..Priests stand in for Jesus Christ, called Personna Christi. Jesus was a man; the Catholic Church is the Bride of Christ; Priests are married to the Church and most love their Spouse and would want no other; Marriage is between a man and a woman, making a covenant with Jesus Christ. So a woman could not take Christ’s Bride, the Church, for her Spouse; the Church cannot change the Truth to suit people’s ideas of today if it goes against the Truth. We know that Truth is constant, never changing. At least we have that stability in our lives, thank God!
      God bestowed wonderful gifts upon women; His Mother, a woman, had the highest honor a person could ever receive….she was the vessel which brought Jesus to the world. We have Mary as our model of perfection–be perfect as your Father in Heaven is perfect, the Bible tells us. When a man and woman unite in the Sacrament of Matrimony, they have the gift of possibly bringing life to the world as long as they remain open to this covenant with God. No others are to partake of this marital covenant except a man and a woman, married to each other.

      July 25, 2010 at 3:10 pm |
    • Mark

      In most parrishes Women make up the most of Eucaristic ministers lectors and Alter girls I dont think ladies are shunned at all.

      July 26, 2010 at 5:47 pm |
  6. Terbear

    Why is that everytime there is a religous article the atheist come out of the woodwork. Do they have nothing better to do than try-I mean TRY to tear down one's faith. I'll pray for their lost souls. Atheists need to get a life!! When a predator is found oiut to be from education or sports do these same people say we should close all schools or stop all sportsprograms. Of couse NOT -those arguments come from fools.!!

    July 23, 2010 at 5:18 pm |
    • Jason

      What nonsense you speak Terbear. If anybody needs to "get a life" it is those folks who live in the fantasy world of religion. And like most good religious folks throughout history are quite capable of killing others who reject their religious fantasy.

      All this talk of gods, angels, and devils is nothing more than ignorace disguised as "theology". If there was indeed a "God" I sincerely doubt he would want humanity oppressed by Catholics, Muslims or any other like minded fools.

      July 23, 2010 at 5:26 pm |
    • Tired

      Jason, you are putting down the fact that people believe in a higher power. Yet you firmly believe there is no higher power. So what makes your belief any more substanial? You have no proof, just what you feel. What the priest did was wrong, he is human, and there isn't a person who has commented here who is perfect. What a person does can be criticized, but ones beliefs are something that should never be criticezed.

      July 23, 2010 at 5:44 pm |
    • Bosco111

      @Jason: You act as if religeous folks are the only murderers and abusers of people to be found. The fact is that even though they strive for higher goals for themselves and all of humanity, those who are religeous are still humans and thus very capable of making horrible decisions and taking horrible actions both as a group and individually.

      You obviously know nothing about God's existence or non-existence but insist on calling others names for their faith, which seems to be a natural part of mankind's makeup. Just because you don't feel your own soul doesn't mean that you don't have one. Good luck in finding some humility in your life.

      July 23, 2010 at 5:50 pm |
  7. Mary Anne

    And was he automatically excommunicated too or is that just for women priests?

    July 23, 2010 at 5:14 pm |
    • Daniel

      To the best of my knowledge, no priest has ever been excommunicated for sexual abuse of a minor. Defrocking (laicization) seems to be as much as the Church will do.

      July 23, 2010 at 7:07 pm |
  8. Mary

    wow. by reading these comments, I realize that nothing the Church does to solve their problems will ever be enough to all the self-righteous people that hate the Catholic Church. just something to think about.

    July 23, 2010 at 5:12 pm |
    • Americana78

      My thoughts exactly Mary...because an anti-Catholic bias (which has existed since the founding of our country) still exists today.

      July 23, 2010 at 5:16 pm |
    • Daniel

      I do not see that the Church is in fact doing anything here, save what it has always done – grant a request from a priest for laicization. This was not imposed from above. There is no mention of contrition to the families harmed. There is no word from this priest's bishop, no mention of how many accusations over how long a period it took before his wrongdoing was noticed.

      The Church has done nothing but hem and haw over this issue. Bishops are required to cooperate -if approached by law enforcement- but are ALSO still under direction to keep silence on cases of abuse they learn about, and NOT to turn over priests to civil authorities.

      The abuse is monstrous... but rare. But practices that screen the reputation of the Church and put that before the well-being of children, practices which HAVE NOT BEEN CHANGED, are the real scandal.

      July 23, 2010 at 7:06 pm |
    • keburg

      "nothing the Church does to solve their problems will ever be enough to all the self-righteous people that hate the Catholic Church."

      Well, we won't really know until the Church DOES SOMETHING to solve its problems, will we?

      July 24, 2010 at 8:44 am |
  9. Reality

    Got the dreaded "Your comment is awaiting moderation" so lets try it again with dashes used in what are probably words on the moderators' forbidden word list:

    The words used by Pope Benedict and others in responding to the Church's ever-deepening s-exual abuse crises reflect a sickness that is not unique to the Catholic community. In fact, that sickness creeps into all religious communities of which I know, and leaves a trail of v-ictims in its wake every time. I refer to the way in which religious leaders and the communities which they lead wear the mantle of v-ictimhood to cover their n-aked moral failings. – from Brad Hirschfield: When Priests And Rabbis Commit S-exual A-buse

    July 23, 2010 at 5:11 pm |
  10. Louisa

    Hmmmmmm So it took the pope 40 years for this?

    July 23, 2010 at 5:08 pm |
    • Americana78

      WHICH Pope, you're talking as if they are same person... !

      July 23, 2010 at 5:36 pm |
  11. David Johnson

    There was at least one priest who took castration seriously. I think more of the priests should consider it. I mean, I didn't keep my tennis racket once I no longer used it. Besides Jesus thought it a fine idea.

    July 23, 2010 at 5:03 pm |
  12. David Johnson

    See, earlier I made a funny with that frocked thing. See the Pope defrocked the priest and I said, "I wish we could defrock the child. See de – frock get it? Funny stuff here.

    July 23, 2010 at 5:00 pm |
  13. CatholicJustice

    Our Pope is on the right track. Let this be the first stepping stone towards redemption.

    July 23, 2010 at 4:57 pm |
    • Americana78

      ALOT of German kids were ex-Hitler youth... like they had a choice to say no to the Fuhrer... moron

      July 23, 2010 at 5:33 pm |
    • Jeremy

      The pope will be on the right path when he and the rest of the catholic sickos are in jail.

      July 23, 2010 at 5:51 pm |
  14. TheM0nk

    Hey, people, do you guys ever turn off the "stupid" button that is innate to all of us and actually turn "on" the intelligence switch, which again is innate within us all? If you would, you'd realize that this was just a nice way of saying "we found this guy out and are removing him," in a politically expedient manner. A secular example: you know those situations where a politician or someone within the hierarchy of society get caught doing something bad or naughty and they, suddenly, resign from their post whatever that (post) may be? Do you, honestly, believe they resigned? LOL. Far from it, they got runned-out, and still wanted to keep their dignity so they said they left on their own accord. Now, whether they deserve said dignity or not is an entirely different matter. But, honestly, c'mon guys, you can't be this stupid. Pax, Deus te beatum efficiat.

    July 23, 2010 at 3:48 pm |
    • CatholicJustice

      Well said

      July 23, 2010 at 4:58 pm |
    • Mark

      One of the view intelligent responses to this story; I would agree; this is really about saving face, not justice; no differently than a CEO stepping down to "be with his family" or health concerns.

      July 23, 2010 at 5:04 pm |
    • Observer

      If the Pope really wanted to send a message he would have defrocked the priest before the priest got a chance to save some face. As usual, the Pope failed to take the lead in matters of abuse.

      July 23, 2010 at 5:08 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Mark

      You said, "One of the view intelligent responses to this story; I would agree; this is really about saving face, not justice; no differently than a CEO stepping down to "be with his family" or health concerns."

      Yeah, but it would be kinda creepy if the defrocked priest said he was stepping down to "spend more time with children"
      I'm just sayin...

      July 23, 2010 at 6:16 pm |
    • Amanda

      No we're not stupid, but apparently you are. The point is: Why he should be allowed to keep his dignity, if he molested a child? We are simply annoyed by the fact that the church is trying to make us believe that they are cracking down on pedophiles. I'm sorry, but "We know what you did, so we will spare you the embarrassment and let you resign" doesn't cut if for us SANE people.

      July 23, 2010 at 7:18 pm |
  15. Donna

    Thanks, Daniel for pointing out that this was all at the request of the PRIEST. The Pope and; therefore, the Catholic Church did NOTHING other than grant a request by the priest himself. Now the priest is out there in the wider world free to continue with his sick proclivities on an unsuspecting public. Great job, Pope.

    July 23, 2010 at 3:22 pm |
    • David Johnson

      Yeah, but Catholics, in the past anyway, trust their priests. If a priest said he was taking your kid to a show or camping, he probably would have not been questioned. And if the priests weren't pervs that would have been wonderful.

      I think the Catholic betrayal is too great to mend. I think they should sell all that they own and give it to the poor children they hurt. I would so much rather see a Muslim Mosque at the 9/11 site, than a Cathollic Church.

      Yesterday, I was driving by the Catholic Church in my town. A group of young boys (no visible parents) were gathered around the priest. I wanted to stop and shout: "RUN!, RUN future victims!"

      July 23, 2010 at 4:57 pm |
    • Americana78

      To the rest of the people commenting here, I find your level of ignorance astounding. I was raised in the Church and have met many wonderful people, lay and religious, who do wonderful work every single day. No priest ever EVER acted inappropriately towards me– and I bet if I asked all of my Catholic friends they would say the same. The abuse perpetrated by priests is atrocious and hurts Catholics (meaning THE PEOPLE who make up the Church) deeply but that does not given anyone the right to paint every priest the with the same brush of pedophile! The self- righteousness here is repugnant....

      July 23, 2010 at 5:14 pm |
    • Mark C

      Well, you useless halfwit, there are exactly two things that church can do. It can defrock him or it can not defrock him. It as been rightfully criticized in the past for retaining priests who have molested children. So precisely what does a halfwit like you want them to do?

      July 23, 2010 at 7:30 pm |
  16. Demetria

    What does defrock mean? Take away his dress? How about excommunicate? NONE HAVE BEEN!!!!!!!

    July 23, 2010 at 3:05 pm |
    • jesus

      Or perhaps the Vatican should have turned in evidence to the authorities and provided prosecution witnesses. Nope, all they did was to send him packing to go to another job to molest there. That's justice-Vatican style

      July 23, 2010 at 7:27 pm |
  17. Frogist

    Did the church then turn the proest over to authorities? Or did he do it himself? Those are the only relevant questions to me.

    July 23, 2010 at 2:46 pm |
    • Andy Mig

      Excellent Question, Catholics should be Totally Disgusted, Pedophiles have been hidden for to long.

      July 23, 2010 at 5:10 pm |
  18. David Johnson

    The Pope defrocket the priest, wish we could defrock that poor child.

    July 23, 2010 at 1:47 pm |
    • Naughty Rotties

      Rrather than defrocked he should be dec**ked.

      A better punishment for the crime.

      July 23, 2010 at 5:50 pm |
    • David Johnson

      Does a defrocked priest get to roll over his 401K?

      Can he get unemployment?

      I suppose a letter of recomendation is out of the question?

      Would it be a stretch for him to put on his resume that he loves children?

      Just curious.

      July 24, 2010 at 11:50 pm |
  19. Daniel

    If you read carefully, the Pope didn't laicize (defrock) this priest through the newly widened authority he has to do so, but the old fashioned way – AT THE REQUEST OF THE DEFROCKED PRIEST.

    I don't doubt that there was (and will be) pressure from the Vatican for priests to request laicization, rather than the Church kicking them out. I do expect this is meant to look like the Church takes abuse seriously... but once again, it shows that the Church is concerned with its own reputation and bank accounts, and not at all with the good of its faithful.

    July 23, 2010 at 1:36 pm |
    • Wzrd1

      Wow, you must have learned a different version of English than I did growing up.
      I see ZERO mention of ANY request by the former priest. What *I* read stated the diocese removed him from active ministry and that the Pope defrocked him. Nothing at all about the pedophile's wishes, remarks or even eye color.

      July 23, 2010 at 8:09 pm |
    • Jim in Bisbee

      @Wzrd1: I think Daniel is referring to the sentence in which it states that the Pope has "accepted the request of Thomas Krum and removed him from the priesthood." It seems that the requesting individual is Thomas Krum himself, in line with the comment Daniel made.
      He probably uses the same form of English you do, he just reads better.

      July 25, 2010 at 12:18 pm |
  20. Mark

    Maybe the pope should consider resigning himself and shutting the doors at the Vatican for good. It's hard to believe anyone thinks that bunch is a legitimate form of Christianity. Read a good novel about the church called On This Rock by Dave Leonard, I know, it's fiction, but it's based on historical fact and some interesting theories about the real origins of Catholicism. 2000thousand years of killing and torturing people doesn't sound like something God would especially endorse.

    July 23, 2010 at 12:19 pm |
    • Gene

      No, God only endorsed the Catholic Church. And last time I checked he didn't want me or the Pope to check in with you.

      July 23, 2010 at 1:16 pm |
    • Mark

      While I am certainly no friend of the Vatican, I am still pleased to see they finally are doing what should have been done long ago – but there is always people like you that attempt to subvert events to push your own hatred of the church. So No, I have no interest in your book.

      July 23, 2010 at 4:59 pm |
    • Rise above

      Thats the problem with religion. You don't want to hear someone else's opinion because you believe you know what's right. The Catholic church was created by men, based on their interpretations of the scrolls and passages they chose to include in their book. Those scrolls were also written by men, and interpreted by other men into the language they are written in today.

      July 23, 2010 at 5:00 pm |
    • Americana78

      Mark, you are in no position to tell anyone what to do! Thank you. Also to the rest of the people commenting here, I find your level of ignorance astounding. I was raised in the Church and no many wonderful people, lay and religious, who do wonderful work every single day. No priest ever EVER acted inappropriately towards me– and I bet if I asked all of my Catholic friends they would say the same. The abuse perpetrated by priests is atrocious and hurts Catholics (meaning THE PEOPLE who make up the Church) deeply but that does not given anyone the right to paint every priest the same color!

      July 23, 2010 at 5:11 pm |
    • Jason

      Good going Mark! This whole "God" business is a relic of the Middle Ages, and simple minds....as evidenced by some of the replies to your post. Religion is a curse upon mankind.

      July 23, 2010 at 5:16 pm |
    • Mathius

      Yes, it is a work of fiction. Your brand of Christianity is not Christian as hit does not follow Christ or his Church at all. It is just hate–hate towards Catholic, hate towards Jews, hate towards those who do not follow your version of belief. Dave Leonard is wacky at best and it is interesting how much wiccan and druid stuff he has in his books and talks. He is is a wolf in sheeps clothing and you are giving him a nice lead.

      July 23, 2010 at 5:31 pm |
    • Mark

      Jason...agreed! I'm pretty sure the world has advanced enough to know how to live a healthy and good life while treating others well without the "fear of God" being put into place. Weak minds will always be around, we just need to eventually outnumber them.

      July 23, 2010 at 5:38 pm |
    • Anthony

      Can anyone show me in the bible where Christ said we must have a Pope? This figure is completely man made when the Catholic church was a political power. The bible says "no one is to be called father but me". Why then do we call priests father? It also says that we should have no "idols", yet the church is full of statues of so-called saints. Sorry, no saints in the bible either...and the vestments taht priests where.. dictated by man. There is a difference between a Catholic and a Christian and the difference is all the unfounded laws that were dictated by the church as to what the bible states. Read up people. Educate yourself before you speak. I was raised a strict Catholic and lived in fear of priests and nuns in my schools for 12 years. I am now a Christian because my eyes have been opened about what is true and taught in the bible. The Catholic church is keeping Catholics 100 years behind in thinking and truth.

      July 23, 2010 at 5:48 pm |
    • Americana78

      Anthony, I am happy you found your particular way to practice Christianity but please don't use this space to proselytize... your truth as YOU see it is yours, but it is not necessarily others. Respect is a foundation for Christianity and most major religions– remember that. FYI- Jesus appointed Peter as his successor and he is deemed the first Pope of Catholicism and the tradition grew from there- it is not for you to agree or accept. Thank you.

      July 23, 2010 at 5:52 pm |
    • Jeremy

      Gene, Did god tell you this? Please lay off the LSD.

      How many kids are going to be abused before the people have had enough of Catholicism?

      July 23, 2010 at 5:55 pm |
    • Americana78

      Jeremy, abuse is not specific to the Catholic Church, so lay off the Catholic bashing. Respect how people want to believe, if they want to be Catholic, let them. Period.

      July 23, 2010 at 6:03 pm |
    • Jeremy

      Americana 78, I have lots of respect for many organizations. Catholocism will never be one of them. More blood was spilled during holy wars than anyone remembers today. Raping and Pillaging. Believe what I believe or you will burn. Priests today are just continuing tradition but taking it out on our children. If god does exist, surely these sickos will burn in hell.

      July 23, 2010 at 6:08 pm |
    • witness4him

      Hey,Gene: I've been a Chrtstian for 33 years and attending a Catholic has never crossed my mind. Do you think I'm not saved?

      July 23, 2010 at 6:08 pm |
    • Ryan

      I fully agree Mark!

      July 23, 2010 at 6:17 pm |
    • Gloria

      To find out facts, you refer to people to a work of fiction and you acknowledge it as such. That advice is illogical and therefore I will disregard everything you suggest. I cannot trust your ability to reason.

      July 23, 2010 at 6:32 pm |
    • Americana78

      @Jeremy, the "sickos" will surely pay for what they did. That is for certain. The Catholic Church isn't asking for your respect and who are you to think that your opinion as to the Church's reputation matters? It matters most to those of us who ARE the CHURCH, the PEOPLE because without the latter there would be no Church. I have known many priests and none ever acted inappropriately towards me– so for you to paint every Catholic priest with same brush speaks to your deep seated and blind resentment... and yeah, the Church did a lot of horrible things in the past– including to my ancestors, so I don't need a history lesson and I won't hang it over their head some couple of centuries later. Thank you.

      July 23, 2010 at 6:38 pm |
    • Michael

      LOL!!! OMG... I had to reply to Gene. "God endorsed the Catholic church?" You cannot be serious. Well you did give me a good laugh so I thank you for that.

      July 23, 2010 at 6:43 pm |
    • keburg

      "No, God only endorsed the Catholic Church."

      That's hilarious. When exactly did God do that? While we're at it, when did God decree that there should be a pope? The Catholic church has veered from criminal to pathetic and back again for virtually its entire existence.

      July 23, 2010 at 7:02 pm |
    • kalkinfire

      There are three simple steps to fix this problem (a world-wide pandemic that has existed for at least 50 years... maybe even since the dark ages)....

      1) No one under 18 (maybe even 21) is ever to meet with a catholic church representative without a buddy (a buddy can be a parent, uncle, aunt, sibling over 18, etc.)... at least until items 2 and 3 below are addressed (this is a policy that has been VERY successfully adopted by the Boy Scouts of America)...

      2) The catholic church is to disclose all information of child abuse to US authorities in 30 days – up to and including whether the current pope knew of the abuse of children (which he almost assuredly did given his past roles in the church hierarchy); if this does not happen, the the catholic church loses its tax preferred status indefinitely

      3) let priests get married and let women be priests; if this is not adopted, then (you guessed it) the church loses is tax preferred status indefinitely

      July 23, 2010 at 7:05 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @keburg

      You asked, " While we're at it, when did God decree that there should be a pope?"

      Can't remember which gospel, but the pope thing is implied when Jesus gave Peter the keys to the church. Peter is said to be the first pope.

      July 23, 2010 at 7:10 pm |
    • Anthony

      Americana78...you show me the word Poe or Catholicism in the bible and I might start to have an intelligent discussion with you.

      July 23, 2010 at 7:12 pm |
    • Mark C

      Morons who get their information from novel ("but it's based on fact!") are just that. Morons.

      July 23, 2010 at 7:22 pm |
    • Mark C

      *** Americana78...you show me the word Poe or Catholicism in the bible and I might start to have an intelligent discussion with you. ***

      I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for you to have an intelligent discussion with anyone.

      July 23, 2010 at 7:23 pm |
    • Jeff

      Religion is about political domination by spritual enslavement. Nothing more, nothing less. It provides solace to the weak and an anchor for the desperate.

      July 23, 2010 at 7:30 pm |
    • Greta

      To Mark; Thanks for the suggestion of the book...interesting...and the thought. What has happened to common sense. They always had the power to intervene...sad.

      July 23, 2010 at 7:31 pm |
    • Mark C

      Common sense! LMAO! Common sense used to include not gleaning what passes for your historical information from junk novels.

      July 23, 2010 at 7:36 pm |
    • Poptart

      "Morons who get their information from novel"

      Umm... The Bible?

      July 23, 2010 at 7:44 pm |
    • TONYINDALLAS

      WOW! It is ever so true. Bring up religion or politics and everyone has an opinion. The tragic thing is that every comment I read demonstrated total ignorance. The authority of ignorance is when you open your mouth and plain self serving opinion spews forth.

      ALL of you have such strong convictions about the Catholic Church, the Pope, Christianity and religion in general. But I bet you if i asked you to rectie the 10 Commandments you couldnt.

      All of you are self serving theoingoramouses. And that is a sorry excuse for a theologian just in case your wondering.

      OH, and about Christianity and Jesus Christ. Think I read in the Bood called the bible something along the lines of.... judge not less you be judged.... let he who is without sin cast the first stone... SHALL I GO ON?

      If you cant give a constructive criticisim then keep your ignorant opions to yourselves!!!!!!!!!!!

      Self righetous bunch of bigots... if Jesus did die on the cross for our sins.. he must still be hanging there considering what I read today.

      July 23, 2010 at 7:49 pm |
    • Poptart

      "If you cant give a constructive criticisim then keep your ignorant opions to yourselves!!!!!!!!!!!"

      LOL. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

      July 23, 2010 at 7:54 pm |
    • Anthony

      Mark C...like you never made a type-o in your life. I know , you're perfect...a perfect moron!
      If that is all you can come up with, go stick your face back in a comic book. Obviously that is all you read.
      Here is the verse everyone refers to as a POPE being designated...read it. You tell me it refers to a pope.
      Pope is a creation of the Roman Catholic church from 600 ad.

      Matthew 16:13-20 (New International Version)

      Peter's Confession of Christ
      13When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?"
      14They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets."

      15"But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"

      16Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ,[a] the Son of the living God."

      17Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. 18And I tell you that you are Peter,[b] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[c] will not overcome it.[d] 19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[e] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[f] loosed in heaven." 20Then he warned his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Christ.

      July 23, 2010 at 8:30 pm |
    • chessyjames

      Defrocked? What kind of punishment is that? All pedophile priests should have their testicles defrocked, including (and especially) Benedict.

      July 23, 2010 at 9:03 pm |
    • keburg

      ". . . pope thing is implied when Jesus gave Peter the keys to the church. Peter is said to be the first pope."
      That's quite the 'implication.' If I give you the keys to my pickup, does that implky that you're now mayor of my town and have your pick of which woemn you can sleep with?
      And what's this "is said to be the first pope"? Said by whom? Catholics? Okay, I say he wasn't. I win.

      July 24, 2010 at 8:40 am |
    • CatholicMom

      First off, Anthony, not everything of Truth is in the Bible. Jesus told the Apostles to go out to all the nations and TEACH what He TAUGHT. That is, the Traditions of the Church. He did not say take your Bible with you…..Also He told the Apostles that He would SEND the Paraclete to remain with them forever…...and He would bring them to all the Truth as time goes on because they could not bear it all just then. Do you believe in the Holy Trinity…..those words are not in the Bible.
      The Bible was put together by the Catholic Church, choosing the Books that were inspired by the Holy Spirit, about 300 years after Jesus Christ’s ascension. How did they know which were inspired? They recognized the Church in the Books that were inspired. The Books that told of the Traditions that the Apostles were told to teach.

      There have been some who have already explained very well about Jesus Christ building His Church on Peter and giving him the keys so I won’t dwell on it here.

      July 25, 2010 at 1:43 pm |
    • CatholicMom

      Anthony, you are questioning…..call no man Father except God our Father.
      That is true-God is our only Father as God. No other is God our Father. When we hear that Abraham is ‘the father to us all’ in Rom 4:16-17, we are not saying he is God. There are many verses where the Apostles refer to themselves as being a father to us. Jesus Himself called Abraham “father” in Mt 3:9; we are to imitate Jesus in all things. People were referred to as ‘children’ or ‘my child’ by the Apostles which would make them ‘father’ to us and this is why we call priests ‘Father’. We are their ‘children’ and we make up the family of God.

      July 25, 2010 at 1:45 pm |
    • CatholicMom

      Anthony,
      Statues of persons who are important in the history of the Church are venerated but not worshipped. God alone is worshipped. When I see a statue I am reminded of their holy example. A crucifix reminds me of Jesus Christ’s great love for me. I have to ask…..do you have any pictures of family members around your house? If you do, are you idolizing them as a god? Saints are persons who belong to our family and we loved them when they were living on this earth and we are still loving them today because they are still members of our family. If I see someone pressing his Bible to his chest while praying, is the Bible his idol? All those statues in and around Washington DC, are they your idols, or is money the preferred idol today?

      July 25, 2010 at 1:47 pm |
    • CatholicMom

      And then, Anthony, you mentioned the vestments that priests wear….

      John 19:23-24 23When the soldiers had crucified Jesus, they took his clothes and divided them into four shares, a share for each soldier. They also took his tunic, but the tunic was seamless, woven in one piece from the top down. 24 So they said to one another, “Let’s not tear it, but cast lots for it to see whose it will be,” in order that the passage of scripture might be fulfilled [that says]: “They divided my garments among them, and for my vesture they cast lots.” This is what the soldiers did.

      Jesus is the High Priest, once a priest, always a priest. How was Jesus to continue His Priesthood? By the laying on of hands starting with the Apostles up to the present, the Catholic Priest stands in for Jesus, Personna Christi. Jesus wore a seamless tunic, so does a Priest when performing the Sacrifice of the Mass…..which isn’t a new sacrifice but a making present the one sacrifice that Jesus made.

      Anthony, Truth never changes-–what was True 100 years ago is still True today….

      July 25, 2010 at 2:22 pm |
    • Mark

      Its good to know that you admit that your understanding of Catholic history is based on fictional reading. Now get to work on world history by watching a Mel Brooks film.

      July 26, 2010 at 5:32 pm |
    • CatholicMom

      Trouble is, Keburg, you are not Jesus Christ, so your car key is just that, a car key.

      August 1, 2010 at 2:29 pm |
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