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August 10th, 2010
10:38 AM ET

‘Ex-gay’ ministry on gay marriage's chances after Prop 8 ruling

Alan Chambers’ opposition to Prop 8 isn’t political. It’s personal.

Chambers is the president of Exodus International, a nonprofit “ex-gay” ministry that promises freedom from homosexuality. He is also “ex-gay”– a married father of two children who says he’s abandoned homosexuality.

Chambers sighed when asked his reaction to last week’s controversial court decision. A judge ruled that California's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, known as Proposition 8, violated the constitutional rights of same-sex couples.

“It’s disappointing that a judge would rule against the will of the people,” says Chambers, author of "Leaving Homosexuality." “That’s the greatest tragedy.”

For 34 years, Exodus has told gay and lesbians that they can be “delivered” from homosexuality through faith in Christ, professional counseling and support groups.

But how will groups like Exodus fare if fewer Americans believe that homosexuality is a sin, and if gay marriage becomes an option?

Chambers acknowledged that “our culture is changing” and said more people are abandoning a biblical view of homosexuality.

Does he think gay marriage is inevitable?

“It certainly seems so,” Chambers says. “The jury is still out and there are certainly areas where I see a tendency for more rights for gay and lesbian people. But I also see that there’s still a fight among American people so it’s hard to know.”

Though there seems to be more acceptance of gay and lesbian people in popular culture, Chambers says demand for Exodus ministry has not declined.

“Our calls are increasing,” he says. “Our ministries say we’re busier than ever.”

He says the Prop 8 ruling shows something else: More Americans are accepting the humanity of gay and lesbian people.

“We’re entering a time when we are more compassionate and loving toward people who deserve our compassion,” he says, “and that’s gay and lesbian people.”

- CNN Writer

Filed under: California • Christianity • Culture wars • Gay marriage • Gay rights • Politics • United States

soundoff (338 Responses)
  1. JohnB

    I lean toward the bell curve genetic and environmental argument. Everyone has a propensity toward homosexual lifestyle. But if that is accurate, what explains the fact that children that are molested while young tend to become homosexual more than others? Oh, OK, being molested is an environmental factor. On the other hand, being exposed to daily open expressions of homosexuality as being "OK" is also an environmental factor. Being a bit older, I frankly didn't even know there was such a thing as homosexuality until mid high-school. I doubt that anyone over age 5 is so ignorant now. So, the environment is now encouraging that lifestyle more than in years past. Thanks for the encouragement gays, er guys. I mean, once the bath houses closed down, where else would you get "strange?" Got to create the environment to swing those with a mid to higher bell curve score your way.

    August 11, 2010 at 5:19 am |
  2. Steve

    The article begins "Alan Chambers oppositon to Prop. 8 isn't polital, it's personal." the rest of the article indicates he was in favor of Prop. 8..One of the problems with the Peop.8 vote was the confusion when a "yes" meant no gay marriage and a "no" meant gay marriage.

    August 11, 2010 at 4:38 am |
    • JohnB

      Being from California, what a yes vote meant was not at all confusing. I mean, a butterfly ballot, even one approved by the Liberals as in Florida, wouldn't have been any more clear. What I'm saying is, neither vote would confuse anyone with enough sense to find the polling place.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:25 am |
    • Steve

      JohnB: With respect, when "yes" means "no" and "no" means "yes" it is confusing. Notice how this article is even confused about it, given the opening sentence.

      August 11, 2010 at 6:14 am |
    • JohnB

      OK Steve. Next time you vote, sit down and read the ballot before voting. It does help.

      August 11, 2010 at 6:17 pm |
  3. Raymond H. Burgoon-Clark

    The so-called "ex-gay" ministry is a pious fraud, but it is much more dangerous than that. It has been denounced by just about every CREDIBLE medical, psychological, psychiatric, and counseling organization. Not being able to fulfil the requirements of abstinence based upon fear, confused, hurt, and frightened teenagers commit suicide to escape the crushing guilt used as a "conversion" technique by these charlatans. THEN they inevitably LAPSE, piling more guilt upon guilt.

    August 11, 2010 at 3:54 am |
    • LB Colorado

      THE RESULT OF SIN IS DEATH.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:06 pm |
    • Grant

      THE RESULT OF CAPS LOCK IS PERCEIVED SHOUTING

      August 12, 2010 at 8:10 am |
  4. Jeff Colby

    There is NO such thing as "ex gay" unless someone has found a way to alter their own DNA. Like it or not, it is a documented that gays ARE born that way, and pretending that your straight and even taking a wife does not alter your sexual orientation. Printing articles with "ex gay" in the headline only serves to further the ignorance and fuel the fires of the ill informed.

    August 11, 2010 at 3:28 am |
  5. Blessed Geek

    Gayness is a probability and statistical distribution, like masculinity vs femininity, or height, or risk to cancer.

    It is scientifically impossible for everyone to be born exactly gay or not gay. For some who lie on the extremities of the distribution, they have no choice but be gay. There are those that lie in between and they have tendencies – it is a sliding spectrum.

    For gays to claim that one is born abruptly gay or non-gay is pure political correctness that violate the usual behaviour of mathematics – specifically the Fourier basis requiring abrupt changes to consume infinite amount of energy to achieve abruptness.

    There are gays who are born fortunate enough not to have to choose but there are gays who have the misfortune of choice. And Mr Chambers is one of those unfortunate souls.

    August 11, 2010 at 2:22 am |
    • Bob

      What study did you find this in? Because it was my understanding that it's currently believed that during development in the mother's womb a hormone imbalance can alter the brain's programming, meaning someone becomes gay.

      August 11, 2010 at 7:56 am |
    • Gary

      Blessed Geek ,I disagree whole heartedly. As a straight married male I chose to date the women I dated and chose to marry my wife. If being straight was a choice I would have been attracted to men and women but chose women. People are either born straight or born Gay. If Gay men found women just as attractive as men they would probably go with women. Gay people find only people of the same sex attractive. The same way hetero find people of opposite sex attractive..

      August 11, 2010 at 9:51 am |
    • Frogist

      Hi Bob,
      The sliding scale of gay to straight was created by Alfred Kinsey in his surveys of human s exuality. He posited that most men and women fall somewhere in between completely gay and completely straight. And depending on circumstance and timing people are able to wander about along that scale to some degree. That does not mean that people cannot be born gay or straight. It just means, as he saw it, that people are born with degrees of "gayness". I'm not sure how that holds up with recent research. But in regards this article, no one can be "cured" of their hom ose xuality since they were born with a certain degree of it and will have that part of themselves throughout their lifestyle. I guess I think of it this way. We were all born with the need to eat food. But some of us deny ourselves by being on a diet. But just because you are on a diet doesn't mean you don't desire that slice of chocolate cake. And just because you don't eat the cake doesn't make you less of a chocoholic.

      August 11, 2010 at 11:28 am |
    • Blessed Geek

      The cause of gayness is not due to a single parameter.

      August 11, 2010 at 3:02 pm |
    • TacoLoco

      "Blessed Geek

      The cause of gayness is not due to a single parameter."

      BRILLIANT! A major disconnect the general public has revolves around the misconception that the vast majority of occurences in the world have a single cause.

      The whole "cause and effect" mantra has skewed people into thinking that one effect only has one cause.

      An effect that is so complex, yet so familiar with our society (homosexuals have existed for untold generations) that it would be short-sighted to believe the effect would simply be explained by a single cause (such as nurture or environment being the single cause for homosexuality versus nature or biology being the single cause for homosexuality.)

      Occam's Razor supports that most simple explanation, which in this case would be multiple causes creates an effect known as homosexuality.

      August 11, 2010 at 4:20 pm |
  6. rene

    Keep up the good work. Those that choose to live as they were destined to live need a place to turn to help them recover from the sin of homosexuality. It is like any addiction like drugs or alchohol, once they realize that they are not powerless and that there is hope for them then they can learn to live again and be who they were meant to be.

    August 11, 2010 at 2:12 am |
  7. bubble

    The man said he was formerly gay, why can't anyone believe that he has changed? Why does everyone think that this man is living a lie? If there are indeed people who are formerly gay, why is everyone so hellbent on making them out to be liars? Only they know for sure! Science doesn't explain everything and is often updated as the years go by and new things are discovered and learned. I think its foolish to say that science is the "end all" of that discussion. That being said I know someone formerly gay, and his life is no lie. And he certainly doesn't hate gays!

    August 11, 2010 at 1:59 am |
    • Greg

      He is telling Gay people that they are living a lie and that they have a choice to be gay....how wrong he is and he is the one living the lie.

      August 11, 2010 at 12:12 pm |
    • aesthete2

      I've heard of enough gays that supposedly went straight and then later admitted they just were trying to pretend all along. There's way too much incentive not to be honest about it.

      The point is, if you can choose, you are considered bi, not gay. If you are gay, you don't want to choose, but then again, it's not a sharp line – it shades from one to the other. The guy may be mostly guy, but partially bi and milking it for whatever he can get out of conservatives who desperately want to believe his story.

      August 11, 2010 at 1:27 pm |
    • Onewhoknows

      Bubble, there are exceptions to every situation. I don't believe people may not believe him/her, but the majority should not try what they have because it is not good for a person mentally. Ask the experts. I don't believe it, but if he feels that he's hetero now, good for him. I believe he has brainwashed himself into thinking that he's hetero, and living, still a lie. You are who you were born to be. Is this dude a real dr. does he have credentials. I believe most people think he's a quack. As someone state before all professional drs. and experts, do not believe in this therapy. The therapy does more mental harm than good. It is a vast minority. Who knows, maybe the dr. paid that guy to claim that for the good of their cause? We may never know the real truth.

      August 11, 2010 at 1:47 pm |
    • Dr. Marshall

      Bubble, as a doctor of psychology who studies sexual orientation I can confirm, with my constituents at the APA, the AMA, the AAP, the NASW, and the ASA that sexual orientation is not a choice, that homosexuality is a natural, normal, and positive variant of sexual orientation that should never be condemned, and most importantly is imitable and cannot be changed. I have dealt with many patients who suffer at the hands of social stigmatization, who desperately want to change what they cannot. Wanting to live a false life, and actually changing are two completely separate things. If you ask your "friend" about if he still "suffers" from same-sex attraction he will probably say yes if he is honest. Alan Chambers says it all the time. He is not "cured" of his sexual orientation he is simply denying it and forcing himself to live as someone and something that he is not.

      August 11, 2010 at 2:02 pm |
    • Jason

      I think part of the problem is that the article never really specifies what is meant by "ex-gay" (although perhaps the group does specify this on their website or something). Does that simply mean that he no longer practices/engages in homosexual bahavior, or does it mean that he is no longer se*ually ar0used my men and is now se*ually ar0used by women. In the case of the latter, I wonder if it can be proved by science. It seems that science can monitor chemical changes in the brain as they occur. I wonder if these "ex-gay" individuals would be willing to go through a scientific experiement aimed at monitoring the chemical changes in the brain when exposed to heterosexual and homosexual materials. That's probably the closest we could come to determining the outcome of this "therapy". It probably doesn't even have to be that scientific in the case of male individuals. Does he, or does he not, "pitch a tent" lol.

      August 11, 2010 at 2:38 pm |
  8. JohnB

    What most people don't realize is that homosexual couples in California already had virtually every right that traditional married couples have. So why the big Prop 8 hubbub? It revolves solely around the word "Married." For thousands of years, the word "Married" has meant a man and a woman. Why is it necessary to change the traditional meaning of that one word? I believe it goes back to the "Act Up" group, that being that a part of the homosexual community wants to just shove tradition in the face of the vast majority of people. Come on, can't we all just get along? Homosexual partners, form your Domestic Unions, leave the term Married to people it has applied to for those many thousands of years. And everybody will enjoy the rights and privileges they want and deserve, without disrupting the lives of others. (PS: all the laws relating to marriage were enacted with the legislative intent that they would apply to a man and a woman, with the unique needs of that relationship, including encouraging the having and raising of children, etc. Not all married couples meet that standard, but that was the legislative intent. To be accurate, the legislature of the various states should pass new laws that apply specifically to homosexual Domestic Union partners. Many would be the same or very similar, but some would probably be different. But to be correct, those laws with that legislative intent should be enacted for homosexual Domestic Unions just as laws were passed for traditional opposite sex Marriages).

    August 11, 2010 at 1:44 am |
  9. Dono

    "Lefties were considered evil." Yes in particular Sandy Koufax, especially if you were at the plate trying to hit his stuff. 🙂

    August 11, 2010 at 1:40 am |
    • peace2all

      @Dono

      Yep.....You got that right Sandy Koufax..... He had an absolutely wicked smokin' almost 100 mph fast ball with movement. And, his curveball was just as deadly........ those lefties(sinister) people....... 🙂

      Peace.....

      August 11, 2010 at 4:21 am |
  10. Stan James

    Google DAvid Bussee, who was a key figure in Exodus. And after 25 years, finally left the group, married his male lover, and exposed this scam for what it is..................

    And Minister Ted Haggard. Who ranted against gays, and then got outed by his male prostitute friend. And then was "christian cured and got caught again.

    And George REker who helped found the family research Council – an obvious hate group, as well as Narth – the national association for the treatment of homosexuality

    Reker just got caught taking a "rentboy" with him to EUorpe. A college gay boy who almost anyone just by looking at this young man, can guess that he is gay. Reker said the gay boy was there to help him carry his baggage, but fortunately the security cameras at the airport show reker hefting many large and heavy bags without any apparent trouble

    "Fixing gays" is just another scam, where religious zealots blame the gay person for choosing to be gay. Which every mainstream psych association, the AMA, and the American Pediatric association say bveing gay is an inborn trait.

    Just as being str8 is an inborn trait for 90% of people.

    And the real harm of some of these fixed gays is it turns them into monsters. I know several of them, who in another venue would do the Taliban proud.

    Like the arch catholic "friend" I've debated for a couple years. Try this one on for what is nothing but induced mental illness.................

    He said re Matthew Shepard, that "hjis parents should have fixed him". Imagine that – he blames mattehew shepard's parents for their sons vicious murder. His interpretation of the social justice mission of the catholic church.

    What he doesn't know about me is that I have most of a masters degree in Psychology. He has been a view into the world of sick and utter hatred of some "fixed gays".

    For what operates in their minds – their subconscious is the hypnotic and implanted self hatred of their having "been gay". Which thee fix the gays groups and his church twist into unimaginable fear in the subconscious that they will burn in hell for eternity. And their only salvation is to be an utter extremist in opposing gay people being treated equally under our laws.

    In reality, this guy is almost mentally ill, induced by his fears implanted in him. Arguing with him is the same as trying to argue with a confirmed nazi or ultra-racist bigot. Nothing gets through the wall of fear in their hypnotized subconscious, that expresses itself as the most outrageous beliefs on the face of the earth.

    BTW, this is little different then the people who flew airplanes into buildings. Knowing that they would go to paradise where they would be granted 72 virgins for their pleasure, rivers of pure honey would flow etc. And that they would go to a similar version of hell if they reneged on being the Hand of their god.

    August 11, 2010 at 1:10 am |
  11. NL

    Ex-Gay, eh?
    Well, I've heard that many left-handed people use to train themselves to use their right hands back in the day when being left-handed was thought of as evil, so it's not like there isn't precedence for this kind of thing within the Christian community, is there?

    August 11, 2010 at 12:51 am |
    • peace2all

      @NL

      Hey NL.... How have you been...?

      I believe that that is where the word 'sinister' either came from or was often used ...... (lefties were considered sinister) or evil.

      Peace to you....

      August 11, 2010 at 12:54 am |
    • Stan James

      I'd forgotten that one – my older son was left handed. And he got 'fixed"

      Well, at least it didn't do any damage to him. A normal very bright person who earns a wonderful living, is married etc

      but his secret is this – as a teen failing with girls, he was suicidal, alcoholic, doing poorly in school. fortunately he got a decent job, moved out at 19 to live with some friends of about 25 years old, who taught him the ropes. He told me he had sex with about 12 girls before he got married. And alll is well

      But I finally unraveled his issue re the suicide thing

      Failing with girls, he feared that there was nothing to do except "become gay" the Bullshit choice argument of the evil churches that totally corrupt Jesus commandment to love thy neighbor as thyself.

      And of course becoming gay was a fate worse then death to his young mind, poisoned by homophobia.

      We could have lost him. He would have been just another different variant of the 3000+ gay kids and an unknown number of even str8 kids, who commit suicide due to homophobia.

      Another example of which was in May 2009, when in the same week two 11 year olds, one from Macon GA and another from Springfield MA. who hanged themselves because they were bullied incessantly in school and called gay.

      We went to war over the 3000 people killed on 9-11. We need to do something drastic to end the homophobia that murders in the name of God, by suicide, over 3000 of our children every damned year.

      August 11, 2010 at 1:19 am |
  12. Simpleton

    I'm always amazed at the audacity we humans display with our ability to think for our selves. Some are so smart...some are even blessed with wit to display their knowings. I am neither.

    I am also amazed that we seem to all glaze over the nature of our moral delineations. Many would scorn a child for playing in a busy highway yet encourage them to follow their carnal sexual desires. Especially throw in the word "love" and it seems more humane–at least it appeals to our heart. I understand that there are nearly arbitrary lines draw within Christian ethics as well, a la Kierkegaard's ethical versus religious debate. Therefore, we must all own our delineations and peculiar biases. That would be the civil thing to do.

    Although I am a staunch advocate of reason and logic, I and millions of other God fearing people maintain a standard of reasoning that is influenced by a faith system. These doctrinal beliefs seem contradictory to many, but the longer I live them out the more I realize that God's commands for us are less contradictory than I once thought. They are profoundly beautiful while causing me to deny certain natural dispositions. I have come to love these commands for in them I find freedom. I have also seen the limits of my human reason. God's ways are not my ways, for sure.
    Many run from God's design for our life (eg, monogamous heterosexual relations) and I understand that. We walk upon cursed ground and really are limited in ability to look beyond the here and now (self).

    It would be nice at some point to hear someone on the pro-homosexual side of the issue concede to the fact that many chose to view the world from a healthy Biblical worldview unlike the many who make it hard to believe there is such a thing exists (ie, KKK, racial bigots, the Crusades and the list goes on). Persons who ascribe to no faith system rarely acknowledge the faith systems that do contribute to the betterment of society. I find that odd and somewhat hypocritical.

    At the end of the day, there are calm and collective persons in this world who love people enough to ask the question: What if a higher being (such as God) knows something about us that we do not yet realize? Furthermore, should we allow that wisdom to influence our thoughts?

    I am wise (or dumb) enough to believe that God knows some boundaries for me that I would not naturally set for myself. I can accept His commands as a gesture of love and respect. Only time will tell. If I lose I win. If I win, I win.

    I plead with each of you to consider that there is a God in heaven who sets boundaries for us that are helpful. You don't have to think this way. I respect your right to not do so.

    I will also add that you can be redeemed from any unwanted natural disposition (such as the gentleman in the article) due to the power of the Resurrection. God has conquered sin and death and wants us to walk in his redeeming love. I just ask you be foolish enough to ask God to show you. No, check that, I dare you. We all seem to be so daring with our words on these posts, why not our actions? All you have to do is judge Christianity by Christ alone.

    August 10, 2010 at 11:53 pm |
  13. Alyssa

    Always the same arguments against gay marriage, gay rights. And still none of them make any sense. I can't wait to see the look on all these haters faces when gay marriage is finally legalized, that will be a great day.

    August 10, 2010 at 11:15 pm |
  14. jim atmadison

    So climbing back in the closet and pretending you're 'cured' gets you a forum for a CNN article?

    I guess if you appeal to the rightwingers there's no such thing as being too stupid, too crazy, or too dishonest. You'll always get your message out.

    August 10, 2010 at 10:53 pm |
    • TacoLoco

      In such tough economic times, and unemployment reaching 10%, some people become very inventive in creating "work" or "employment" for themselves. Some people start "work-from-home" businesses, some very unfortunate turn to prostitution...others who are so incredibly lost in their own self-delusions choose to create circumstances and scenarios to impose on others, in which they then feed off of economically.

      To emphasize my point, I quote the founder of Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard: "The easiest way to become rich in America is to establish your own religion."

      August 11, 2010 at 4:09 pm |
  15. Dan

    The article mentions the fact that he fathered two children with a woman as if that proves his "cure" works. I know plenty of gay men and lesbians who have had biological children. They're kids; not a selling point in a brochure.

    August 10, 2010 at 10:50 pm |
    • Reason4Doubt

      More likely than not, these people who get married and have kids, then claim to be gay later on are just bisexuals who think everyone has feelings towards both sexes and your sexuality is only determined by who you sleep with.

      As a gay man, I have to say that I could not see anyone who is actually gay going through the motions of having sex with the opposite sex without vomitting. And having two kids in the process? Give me a break. You're a bisexual, just admit it.

      August 11, 2010 at 11:07 am |
  16. Samm

    Unfortunately too many christians in this country have forgotten what it is like to not be allowed to live life in harmony with their own belief system; and have become the terrors they faced themselves in the past. Maybe we need to bring the lions back.

    They like to proclaim the santi*ty of marriage, yet we have a divorce rate of about 50%, and "Nearly 40 percent of babies born in the United States in 2007 were delivered by unwed mothers" .

    August 10, 2010 at 10:34 pm |
    • TacoLoco

      Just to be precise, and to support your argument, that 50% divorce rate you are refering to transcends all religions, including the vast majority of Christian based religions.

      There are more divorced individuals in America than there are self-disclosed homosexuals.

      The combination of these two facts speaks volumes concerning the hypocracy Christian based, anti-gay marriage groups convey.

      August 11, 2010 at 4:04 pm |
  17. david

    Because Christopher, the 14th ammendment doesn't allow a right to be voter on, like sex lives of the natural homosexual. You lose.

    August 10, 2010 at 10:28 pm |
  18. christopher

    I am an ex-pentacostal preacher who is now an athiest. As such I can relate to both sides of the arguement. As a person, I am revolted by most gay activity (though I like a good lesbian flick as much as the next nonhipocritical redblooded american). But, this does not give me the right to make a law that abolishes activity that i do not like. On the other hand, if the majority of people voted to either allow or deny an activity happening in thier area, how can we deny them thier rights? What is the use of voting if it doesn't matter? We are already denied our power to actually elect our president (electorial college), so should we not hold even harder to the few things we get to have a say on? Talk about a slippery slope.....

    August 10, 2010 at 10:21 pm |
    • peace2all

      @christopher

      You said... "But, this does 'not' give me the right to make a law that abolishes activity that i do not like."

      That is the whole point. Laws are meant to be fair, and to protect our civil rights. So, that the 'majority' can't, without due cause and a lot of research to back up their laws that shows that their is 'actual' harm being done, to enact a law, based on just a feeling.... of.... oh, I really don't like it.'

      That is why the judge ruled, as far as I can tell, in his 136 page ruling, that there was absolutely 'no' evidence to support such a law. It appeared very clearly that it was 'just' based on hate... and someone 'not liking' the same sex marriage idea.

      You then bring in the issue of the separation of church/state which came into play here. The LDS, and the RCC put in almost 30 million dollars to defeat this. So, no separation for church/state....... and it all came down to ..... our 'bibles' tell us it is not good. It makes us feel bad... we don't like it....

      That is why it is so important in response to your post.... and you, being an ex-pentacostal preacher and know an atheist, should realize this....

      I hope this helps....

      Respect and Peace to you.....

      August 11, 2010 at 12:43 am |
    • peace2all

      @christopher

      Your statement......"But, I shouldn't have the right to create a law just because I don't like it, etc..." something like that.

      That is exactly why it is so important. These are 'civil liberties' that 'everyone' has a right to. That is why someone can't just enact a law that treads on our 'civil liberties' without lots, and lots of evidence that said law is going to stop tremendous harm, or cause benefit to society.

      In this case, there was 'absolutely' no evidence presented by the 'anti-gay' 'anti-same s*x marriage group that there is any harm.. Quite the contrary.... as the judge pointed out in his 136 page ruiling, it is based on religious bigotry.

      And back to your point that someone can't just make a law, because what someone else does doesn't fit with their religion(i.e..christianity).

      I hope that this helps... my other post got flagged by the moderators....

      Respect and Peace to you....

      August 11, 2010 at 1:00 am |
    • JohnB

      To peace2all. Maybe Christians, but probably also Jews and maybe a few others. Of course, we all know Islam doesn't have this problem, since there are no homosexuals in Moslem countries. Er, at least none with their heads still attached.

      August 11, 2010 at 1:50 am |
    • TacoLoco

      Peace2All-

      "In this case, there was 'absolutely' no evidence presented by the 'anti-gay' 'anti-same s*x marriage group that there is any harm"

      There was an attempt by the Prop. 8 defendents to offer evidence of the dangers gay marriage poses to our society through testimony by two individuals in the court (that's right, only two testimonies was offered by the Prop. 8 backers side).

      Both testimonies were deemed irrelivent based on their morally subjective nature and this view was written into the matters of fact in the decision.

      The Supreme Court will only be able to make a decision based on the matters of fact offered in the landmark decision.

      Because the only testimony/evidence offered by the Prop. 8 backers was deemed irrelivent, the only way Prop. 8 could be reinstated is if the justices over-turn the recent decision based on the "over-whelming" support for the law by the voting public.

      No matter how badly Prop. 8 backers love to contend that the "vast majority of the nation are against gay marriage," the truth is that the measure passed by a very small majority. In fact, recent polls show that if the measure was put back on this November's ballot, Prop. 8 would not pass.

      Keeping all this in mind, I am hard pressed to believe that the Supreme Court Justices will overlook the unconstitutionality of Prop. 8 so that the mythical "will of the people" can be appeased.

      August 11, 2010 at 3:59 pm |
  19. Toby

    Perhaps even Jesus himself may have been gay. Jesus never married, never was with women, spent all his time with unmarried men. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. The simple fact is that Jesus (assuming he actually existed) never said one single word on the subject of homosexuality. He did, however claim that those who do not believe in him could "depart into everlasting fire." So there you have it. Think for yourself people, and stop using ancient myths to control the lives and minds of real people in the 21st century.

    August 10, 2010 at 10:16 pm |
  20. José

    Exodus International is a complete sham. The only people who can change their sexuality at will are called BISEXUAL. They might not want to accept that truth, but it is. Also, sexuality changes on its own. Sometimes becoming more one way or another. Sexuality is natural. Some perversions exist in all 'orientations'. Look up farm animal porn and you will see the vast majority of it is straight. Exodus International has been proven to be a detriment to human sexuality and results in even more insanity. If this guy Chambers were an actual human instead of a twisted distorted shell of a man, he'd recognize others' human rights. Instead, he claims that having equal rights is the "real tragedy"... not the social scorn, persecution of thousands of years, and in many cases ostracization, and even murder of gay people who cannot change. I knew I was gay when I was 7. The other kids at school knew it before me. It was undoubtedly something that happened without any inclination of actual sex, just an unsual sensation that I was different and preferred to do things other than other boys. I tried to pray it away. I nearly committed suicide twice. Until I became self aware. And learned that if there is a God, and I was made in his image, then God must be a little Gay TOO!

    August 10, 2010 at 10:07 pm |
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The CNN Belief Blog covers the faith angles of the day's biggest stories, from breaking news to politics to entertainment, fostering a global conversation about the role of religion and belief in readers' lives. It's edited by CNN's Daniel Burke with contributions from Eric Marrapodi and CNN's worldwide news gathering team.