While controversy engulfs a proposed Islamic center and mosque near ground zero, CNN's Susan Candiotti reports that another mosque has quietly stood nearby for decades.
The other mosque already standing near ground zero.. Smashing :)
Salut à tous, au nom de Moise,Jésus et Mohamed,sceau des prophètes.
Comme certains l'ont dit,les régimes laique et théocratique ne permettent pas lla même gestion des cultes,c'est pourquoi,il est permis de construire des mosquées partout dans le monde et pas d'édifices religieux autres que musulmans dans les pays islamiques.
Et ceci n'est jamais un déni des religions mais un fait salutaire pour la sauvegarde de la planète que ,seul l'islam est en mesure de sauver par le biais des enseignements du CORAN, revélé par l'ange Gabriel et dont Jésus dira "" Après moi, viendra un prophète nommé Mohamed ""; c'est tout l'amour que les musulmans vouent à Jésus,fils de Marie et les prophètes antérieurs.
Jamais,vous n'entendrez un musulman blasphémer sur Moise , ou Jésus ,car ils sont nos guides.
C'est pourquoi,notre souhait est de voir l'islam prendre le relais en ce monde,libre à chacun de suivre sa voie.
Les musulmans sont tenus par contre de donner l'exemple par la solidarité et la bonne parole.
Quant à la présentaztrice de la vidéo,elle nous montre un garage et non une mosquée;celà est indigne de la religion de l'islam.
Peace sur les états unis et le monde.
In you tube Just type "Sharia Law's Christian persecution – christian penganiayaan di Indonesia " and "Non-Muslims Burned Alive & Mutilated by islamic radicals ".
@Matt J : You are right.In Indonesia, it is very very hard to get license to build a church. That's why most of Christian rent a building for their worship services. But lot of times Muslim extrimist come "to sweep" those buildings, burn and destroy churches. Now,they make new regulation that christian have to have license to make a worship service in their own house.Now, They want to build their mosque where ever they want. What a selfish people.
@Luke : Sorry for the bad spelling and grammar, since you are really concern about it.
So lets just say that all religions with radical extremists were forced to only build their places of worship in areas that we find acceptable. Oops – sorry Christians, you can build your church but not in my back yard. Especially evangelicals. After all, don't nearly all members of the KKK call themselves Christians? I think Christians shouldn't be allowed to build their churches in black neighborhoods.
Honestly, this is the dumbest debate I've heard in years. If you are against this mosque, you are against freedom of religion. You are un-American. Period. You don't need to like it. You are free to express your views, too. Go ahead and complain all you want, stage protests, even exercise your right to vote out the politicians that piss you off. But to stop this mosque opens the door to limiting your freedoms. Just remember, Mr. WhiteGuy – you won't be the American majority forever and you just might find your freedoms being limited in the future. Good luck to you.
Islam is a religion of peace?? Infi-dels are all getting very tired of that statement as seen from the following type of news almost on a 24/7 basis:
Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) – The Taliban sto-ned to death a man and a woman in northern Afghanistan for allegedly having an affair, officials said Monday.
The stoning took place Sunday in Dasht-e-Archi district, in the village of Mullah Qali – a village dominated by the Taliban in Kunduz province.
The pair was accused of having an illi-cit se-xual relationship, a spokesman for the Kunduz governor said.
The woman was about 20 years old and the man was about 27, said Mohammed Ayuob, district governor of Amam Sahib, which is also in Kunduz province.
The woman was engaged, and the man was married to another woman. The two had been held by the Taliban for about a week, Ayuob said.
No doubt the stoning instructions came from an imam spouting mythical koranic tales from some mosque prayer room!!
Reality check...stoning of adulterers is originally Mosaic law during Moses era. It was the practice then as well as Jesus era. Excerpt from Matthew: ....Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Ah the spokesman for the infidels. What are the infidels now oh wise one?
Casting "stones" enforces the rule of modern law. Modern law requires adultery to be an issue of divorce courts not execution.
And one more time,
Recognizing the flaws, follies and frauds in the foundations of Islam, Judaism and Christianity by the "bowers", "kneelers" and "pew peasants" will quickly converge these religions into some easy rules of "infidel"-life. No clerics, imams, rabbis, professors of religion and priests needed or desired. Ditto for their houses and classes of "worthless worship". It will be called the great "Pink Slipping" of religion and its leaders.
As per James Somerville, Philosophy professor emeritus from Xavier University, Cincinnati,
"The faith of the vast majority of believers (and non-believers) depends upon where they were born and when."
It is very disturbing that such religious violence and hatred continues unabated due to radomness of birth. Maybe just maybe if this fact would be published on the first page of every newspaper every day, that we would finally realize the significant stupidity of all religions.
Well Luke, I will agree with you on one point. Religion.......all Religion is one of the biggest Con jobs the world has ever seen! Educated modern people who honestly believe that there is some invisible being living "up there" watching all, I find somewhat silly. Like still believing in Santa Claus of the Tooth Fairy. It is just one big Con job in an attempt to intimidate the masses. Can you imagine an all Loving forgiving being that will have you burn and tortured till the end of time if you don't go along with Him.....or Her! As I said.....It's a ancient Con Job. However the 13th Century Islamic zelots and twits will carry it on, and we will have to fight them with the same vigar that the USMC did the 13th Century thinking Japanese Military of WW II, or lose! The Japanese actually believe that Hirohito was a living God, and not the War Criminal he really was!! Celebrate VJ Day. It saved Millions of our countrymen.
There was also a very large Nazi Bund in the States prior to 1942. I did not notice too many goosestepping around after December 11th 1941.......Did you? WHY NOT???
Islam did not attack us. Al Qaeda did. The difference being, the Nazi Party represented the nation of Germany while the terrorists of 9-11 do not represent a nation nor religion. Let it be said, however, that I am a proponent of all religions being vanquished somehow and not an Islamic apologist.
Luke is missing the point. Al Qaida DOES claim to represent Islam. Worse yet, their claim, even when not accepted, elicits considerable sympathy among a great many Muslims, even in our so-called 'ally' Pakistan.
What is worse, Islam will always be vulnerable to such groups. That is, because the cult of violent Jihad is so thoroughly built into Islam, Muslims who refuse Jihad will always be vulnerable to intense criticism from stricter Muslims. They will always be vulnerable both individually and politically.
That is WHY the army in Turkey is so determined to keep Islam out of public life, even banning the veil. They know that Islam will insist on taking over political life as well, undoing everything the revolution (under Attaturk) and secular government have accomplished since then.
Matt J. – I am not missing the point. I know and understand what you are saying. That doesn't change the facts, however. Unless you are willing to admit bigotry, which I am towards all religions, then the world will operate like you are seeing now. Those are strong words, I know, but they are truth. I'll say it again, unless you understand that religion is poisoning the minds of humans around the globe, you will live in a world where bigotry and hatefulness rule. That is, of course, one religion sweeps clean its enemies. Harp on that a second.
Al Gaeda may "claim" to represent Islam, but that does not make its claim valid!! Majority of muslims in the world are either beholden to their islamic states or they are beholden to islamic political and religious parties, like islamic brotherhood, jamat tabligh or al-azhar or various sufi groups. 99% of these institutions do not subsrcibe to Al Gaeda or officially recognize Al Gaeda as a bona fide islamic organization or center of learning or political movement.
Luke, was not the Shinto Temple there before Dec.7th 1941? And the mistake of the mosque in the Penagon does not make it smart or right!
It's still there, nor is the Shinto Temple going anywhere. The mosque in the pentagon is not a mistake, nor is it something that anyone noticed until the media caught wind of a YMCA-like structure going up on Park Place. I walk by it weekly. There's a delicious Amish market next door.
There are chapels and chaplains (Christian, I presume) in the Pentagon, Senate, House of Reps., on military bases and on our ships at sea. Who pays for these? If it's the taxpayers... why?
Can a Church be built in Iran? Can a Jewish place of worship be placed there, or in an Islamic country? Let's just let them do whatever they want until they are strong enough to start enforcing their stupid ancient small minded barbaric religious laws here and shutting down churches here and treating women like property with no real rights to education and where they can be stoned to death for refusing to be raped of marry so old goof old enough to be her grandfather. Then perhaps the leftists will wake up. By then it will be too late, and perhaps they will be amongst the first to be stoned to death but oh well. It was politically correct.........RIGHT!
Mosque at ground zero! May I ask what's next? How about execting two 100' tall statues. One of Yamamoto and one of Hirohito on either side of the Arizona Memorial in Pearl Harbour! Perhaps it would be a good idea to erect a massive Swastika in the center of Tel Aviv. This politically correct garbage is just getting obtuse. Of course the people who chose one of the lowerest forms of jobs (politics) will do or say anything trying to stay at the public trough won't they? It's simple STUPID.
There's a Shinto temple near pearl harbor, actually. There is also a mosque in the Pentagon. No outrage?
We'd get more visitors to the memorial that way;)
That was a terrible argument, face it aside from the 9/11 families would feel bad all I have heard is what I have been hearing for the past 9 years, Islam suck, promotes hatred blah blah blah. Who gave the 9/11 families the deed to the ground zero area. There were muslims in those buildings too that day I don't hear their opinion. In fact I havent heard entire 9/11 families marching out and saying anything aside from a select few. You people need to give it a rest already, I would be more concerned about your military's failure to catch Osama bin Laden for the past 9 years, you know that guy that perpertrated the attacks. I don't even see an urgency in the military to catch him. I bet during the civil rights movement all you people were hating that idea too now you just live with it.
Read the constitution. The answer is right there in black and white. Peaceful Muslims have as much right to worship as they see fit, as the rest of us. We should all be way too tired of the politics of distraction? Its not a mosque its a community center, and its not even at ground zero it blocks away, around the corner. I don't care about this, or what mess Lindsey Lohan's got herself into this week, gay marraige? simple... if you don't believe in it, don't marry a gay person. We need to get real here and now and no be so preoccupied with these or any of the other craziness the media stirs the pot of division with. There are much more important issues... American Jobs, get our people back to making things here. Put higher import taxes on goods we need to be making and buying here. Term limits for politicians, campaign reform, get rid of lobbyist that sell us all down the road for the almighty buck. Tax the highest 1% and tell them to shut up and fork it out or go to jail. Where is common sense these days?
That mega mosque is highly inappropriate. The name itself Cordoba. After slaughtering Spanish people they build that first mosque in Spain. It's like a trophy. They could have called it Mecca or something else. They are playing with the victems of 9/11. A 100 million $ mosque. That's a big one. What if we would nuke Mekka or someone and we would build a big cathedral there and call it 'the crusades". Wouldn't muslims think that would be a little bit offended? USA has nothing to do with the crusades. Christians have their freedom, what would make that Christians? Non-caring people. That's how I look at muslims now. They want war and they use our freedoms against us.
I'm sorry, but your grammar is awful.
After Muslims invaded Spain, Christians worshipped in the church in Cordoba on the site that later became a mosque for nearly two generations. In the 900s Cordoba became the center of learning in Western Europe where Christians, Muslims, and Jews came together to study. This is a short history of the Muslims in Spain:
Actually, there should be no mosques anywhere on the face of the globe. Why?
Muslim convert journalist Stephen Schwartz, American Jewish Committee terrorism expert Yehudit Barsky, and U.S. Senator Chuck Schumer have all separately testified to a growing radical Islamist Wahhabi influence in U.S. mosques, financed by extremist groups. According to Barsky, 80% of U.S. mosques are so radicalized.
August 9, 2010 Germany shuts 9/11 plotters' mosque in Hamburg
Police raided the mosque on Monday and hunted for evidence of jihadist activities German police have shut down the Hamburg mosque where the 9/11 hijackers met before their suicide attacks on the US in 2001.
Police said they believed the Taiba mosque was again being used as a meeting point for extremists.
The cultural association that runs the mosque has also been banned.
A German intelligence report last year said radical Muslims had travelled to military training camps in Uzbekistan after associating at the mosque.
spoken like a true nazi! your grandfather's best friend Hitler also used to go around making similar claims on what religion should be be practiced and what should not be practiced across the globe.
Muslims have been in this country for centuries, they are fighting in the wars, and dying too, I might add, some are buried at Arlington cem. WE Christians have our own violent history thruout the years, violence is never good. But muslims have not been a problem for centuries until 9-11 , and you can't blame a religion on terrorists , any more than you can blame christianity when some kook kills people in the name of Religion, Like these moms who kills their children cause GOD tells them to do it . Jane
It is all about the inherent sordid nature of Islam and the worst book ever written aka the koran!!!!!
I most of the time hear about muslims want to build a mosk ( anywhere in the west ( not islamic) . Never I hear about building chuches in Islamic countries, because that is forbidden. Why we allowed the mosk in the west?????????????
If they allowed to build a church in islamic country for every mosk they want to build here, and not put chistians in prison for there believes then we can talk about this issue. I'm not christian or muslim, I wonder when the world will have peace.
What's a mosk?
Anyway, the reason it is illegal is because many Middle Eastern nations are theocracies/monarchies. We are a democracy with no guiding monarch nor are we led by religious values. We have a constitution. Hence, this argument is moot and frankly, I'm shocked so many million of people educated in such a great nation are dumb enough to actually believe this line of thought is valid.
What's a mosk?
Anyway, the reason it is illegal is because many Middle Eastern nations are theocracies/monarchies. We are a democracy with no guiding monarch nor are we led by religious values. We have a constitution. Hence, this argument is moot and frankly, I'm shocked so many million of people educated in such a great nation are ignorant enough to actually believe this line of thought is valid.
Most Muslim countries have churches and a small number of Christians who worship in them.
Susan – And those that do not are theocracies or monarchies, making this argument moot because we live in a secular democracy.
Bad spelling aside, you have a good point. Too many naive Americans do not know that even today, Christians suffer persecution in Muslim countries.
Now for the most part, the persecution is mild compared to the past. But there are prominent exceptions, such as when Muslim hotheads in Egypt ride through a Coptic own shooting at everyone and everything in sight - and then are never pursued by the police.
Now as for churches, yes, there are churches in many Moslem nations, but many of them have rules forbidding construction of new churches and restricting maintenance of the buildings there since before the Moslem Conquest. So the poster pointing out the existence of churches has been deceived. New church buildings are all too often disallowed.
Matt J. – I only needed to read your first paragraph.
Of course Christians are persecuted in Muslim nations. They are Muslim theocracies. We are a secular democracy, open to all creeds where freedom reins. Unless our constitution changes to say "All Muslims Out", your argument is moot.
How the heck do you know Matt Im from Pakistan and we had plenty of churches going up and they weren't just your average little church they freakin cathedrals. Churches and other places of worship are built according to demand, people just don't build a church or a mosque to make a political statement.
YOUR WRONG, indonesia has the most followers of ISLAM, they have other places where different religions can go, at least I believe so cause they have schools that christians , catholics and others go to. Jane
Not only are they in Muslim countries...they are HUGE cathedrals!
And can we PLEASE stop comparing our "free," secular, democracy, to other monarchies. That is the most intellectually dishonest conversation if there ever was one.
And let's not EVEN begin to talk about missionaries... they are EVERYWHERE.
It is not forbidden. There are churches in Muslim countries actually. If you dont know then just shut up
Thanks CNN for showing this. There are mosques everywhere without incident.
Only bigots like the "intimate evening" bikini blogger – aka self-declared scholar on Islam Pamela Geller – and her buddies at Fox News and the RNC are trying to politicize the issue and gain support among the fear-mongered people of this country still surprisingly ignorant of the world's largest religion.
Stop building Mosques, stop it now!
Because Islam hasn't evolved beyond the eyes to eyes and teeth to teeth to mentality. It hasn't gone beyond that. If the original religious leader has that level of mentality, then what else can you expect from its followers.
Religion is supposed to teach the highest moral conduct. Love your enemy and kill your own selfishness. This is the highest level of moral standard.
Of course, no one can do that. That's why it becomes the ultimate ideal goal of the human conduct to achieve.
But who can't hate you back when hated by you. Who can't love you back when loved by you. Islam condones the killings of the enemy of Islam. This is no higher moral conduct than the common criminal institutions like mafia, gangs etc..
Unless you can genuinely criticize the teachings of this devilish prose of the Quran, what's the use of this peace nonsense.
Peace? What do you mean by peace, Moslems? Tell me what peace is.
No peace for you in your inner self when you have to constantly vigilant on who might oppose Mohammed's teachings to make a revenge. No peace in the world as long as Moslems do not abandon Islam's evil teachings. The truth is this. You can not bring peace to the world by resorting to revenge. Islam does not recognize this truth and that makes it an evil and inferior form of a religion at the most.
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