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October 24th, 2010
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Israel slams Catholic statement on Mideast, singling out archbishop

A top Israeli official on Sunday criticized a new statement from Catholic bishops on the Middle East and blasted the remarks of a Catholic archbishop who spearheaded the statement as "libel."

On Saturday, Catholic bishops from the Middle East concluded a two-week conference in Rome, Italy, with a call for the international community, especially the United Nations, to work "to put an end to the occupation" of Palestinian territories.

On Sunday, Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon criticized that concluding statement of the conference, called a synod.

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- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Bishops • Catholic Church • Israel • Pope Benedict XVI

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  1. Jurassic Park

    Sum Dude

    @Jurassic Park

    Give it rest or p-iss off, mate. We ain't got any meds for blokes like you.

    Whats the matter?? Can't stand looking at YOUR GOD Dawkins lies? Or should I say half truths,lol?
    Your the one that needs meds.....I will not give it a rest, what ya gonna do, come beat me up on the blog, ya bullying here?
    Got to resort to cussing when you can't debate?
    I think I know who is full of the urine factor here.

    October 27, 2010 at 7:22 pm |
    • Catholic

      Matthew 24:36-44 – But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels in heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Fro as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then two shall be in the field: one shall be taken, the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore; for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore, be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

      Therefore, be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. –Matthew 24.44

      October 31, 2010 at 10:48 am |
  2. Jurassic Park

    Sorry that posted twice..never had that happen before,lol! Mayby meant to be?? LOL!

    October 26, 2010 at 10:16 pm |
    • Sum Dude

      @Jurassic Park

      Give it rest or p-iss off, mate. We ain't got any meds for blokes like you.

      October 27, 2010 at 6:42 am |
  3. Iqbal khan

    http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=238

    October 26, 2010 at 9:22 pm |
    • Jurassic Park

      Dawkins then defines the god against which he is arguing:

      "He not only created the universe; he is a personal God dwelling within it, or perhaps outside it (whatever that might mean), possessing the unpleasantly human qualities to which I have alluded."

      The disturbing thing about Dawkins' definition of God is that he doesn't seem to understand the nature of the universe. Dawkins doesn't seem to understand that space-time is in a state of continual expansion, and that the universe is neither infinite nor eternal. The cause of this expansion, whether it be natural or supernatural, exists outside the bounds of detectable space-time. So, yes, there is an "outside" the universe. The God of Judaism and Christianity does not just "perhaps" exist outside the universe, but quite explicitly cannot be contained by even the outer reaches of the universe.

      Dawkins doesn't want to be accountable to God
      Dawkins goes on to praise the "deist god of Voltaire and Thomas Pa-ine," calling Him "lofty," "grander," and "a physicist to end all physics, the alpha and omega of mathematicians, the ap-otheos-is of designers; a hyper-engi-neer." The reason for all this praise is because He is "unco-ncerned with human affairs, sub-limely aloof from our private thoughts and hopes, caring nothing for our messy s-ins or mu-mbled contr-itions." From these rants, it is apparent that what Dawkins dislikes most about the God of Christianity is His desire for moral accountability from people. Dawkins doesn't want to be morally accountable, and finds a God who demands such accountability to be evil. Dawkins himself is currently in his third marriage, being divorced twice. Like other atheists, he doesn't like the idea of a god being "concerned with what adults do in the privacy of their b-e-dr-ooms."
      The idea that God is a co-smic k-i-l-ljoy, intent on denying us pleasure and good things, is not new to humanity. In fact, this ploy is the exact one Satan used on Eve in the garden of Eden to convince her to eat of the forbi-dden fruit. In his exchange with Eve, Satan indicated that God was a liar and that He just wanted to keep something good (the fruit) from her, saying, "God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."4 Dawkins has bought into Satan's first lie – that God is a cosmic -k-il-ljoy – even though he does not believe God exists.

      Dawkins goes on to quote several founding fathers, including Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, and Benjamin Franklin, who made statement against the religion of their time. John Adams is quoted as saying, "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."
      However here is the co-mplete quote in an April 19, 1817, letter to Thomas Jefferson:

      "Twenty times in the co-urse of my late reading have I been on the point of breaking out, 'This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion at all!!!' But in this exclamation I would have been as fa-na-tical as Bryant or C-le-verly. Without religion, this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite co-mpany, I mean h-e-l-l."

      In quo-ting John Adams out-of-context, Dawkins has made it seem that Adams said exactly op-p-o-site of what he really intended. No wonder he left out the part where Adams said the world would be "h-e-l-l" "without religion." Adams directly refuted Dawkins' major premise of the book – that religion is the great ev-il in the world – and affi-rmed the op-po-site – that religion keeps the world from becoming co-mpletely evil. In fact, John Ad-a-ms said some things about Christianity that Dawkins probably won't be quoting any time soon such as, "The Christian religion, in its primitive purity and simplicity, I have entertained for more than sixty years. It is the religion of reason, equ-ity, and love; it is the religion of the he-ad and the heart."

      Dawkins also qu-otes James Madison out-of-context, "During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servil-ity in the la-ity; in both, superst-i-tion, bi-g-otry and per-s-e-cut-ion." The quote comes from his di0ssent of James Madison to a bill introd-u-ced into the General A-s-sembly of Virginia, to levy a general a-s-s-essment for the support of teachers of religions.

      Madison's objection was not to Christianity, but to the establishment of sta-te-sponsored "Christianity." This is evident from the first sentence of the quoted section, which Dawkins conveniently leaves out:
      "Because experience witnesseth that eccelsiastical establishments, instead of maintaining the purity and efficacy of Religion, have had a contrary operation. During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity..."
      It is clear from the context that Madison objected to the "legal establishment of Christianity" – not to Christianity itself, which he indicates has "efficacy." Dawkins fails to quote some of the other things Madison has to say about religion and Christianity in the same do-c-u-ment:

      "":

      •"It is the duty of every man to render to the Creator such h=o=mage and such only as he believes to be acceptable to him"
      •"Before any man can be considered as a member of Civ-il So-ci-ety, he must be considered as a subject of the Gover-nour of the Universe"
      •"Because the policy of the Bill is adverse to the di-ffu-s-ion of the light of Christianity"
      The really funny thing is that James Madison would have never accepted Richard Dawkins "as a member of Ci-vil So-ciety," since he has not su-bj-e-ct-ed himself to the "Gover-nour of the Uni-verse

      Dawkins then defines the god against which he is arguing:

      "He not only created the universe; he is a personal God dwelling within it, or perhaps outside it (whatever that might mean), possessing the unpleasantly human qualities to which I have alluded."

      The disturbing thing about Dawkins' definition of God is that he doesn't seem to understand the nature of the universe. Dawkins doesn't seem to understand that space-time is in a state of continual expansion, and that the universe is neither infinite nor eternal. The cause of this expansion, whether it be natural or supernatural, exists outside the bounds of detectable space-time. So, yes, there is an "outside" the universe. The God of Judaism and Christianity does not just "perhaps" exist outside the universe, but quite explicitly cannot be contained by even the outer reaches of the universe.

      Dawkins doesn't want to be accountable to God
      Dawkins goes on to praise the "deist god of Voltaire and Thomas Pa-ine," calling Him "lofty," "grander," and "a physicist to end all physics, the alpha and omega of mathematicians, the ap-otheos-is of designers; a hyper-engi-neer." The reason for all this praise is because He is "unco-ncerned with human affairs, sub-limely aloof from our private thoughts and hopes, caring nothing for our messy s-ins or mu-mbled contr-itions." From these rants, it is apparent that what Dawkins dislikes most about the God of Christianity is His desire for moral accountability from people. Dawkins doesn't want to be morally accountable, and finds a God who demands such accountability to be evil. Dawkins himself is currently in his third marriage, being divorced twice. Like other atheists, he doesn't like the idea of a god being "concerned with what adults do in the privacy of their b-e-dr-ooms."
      The idea that God is a co-smic k-i-l-ljoy, intent on denying us pleasure and good things, is not new to humanity. In fact, this ploy is the exact one Satan used on Eve in the garden of Eden to convince her to eat of the forbi-dden fruit. In his exchange with Eve, Satan indicated that God was a liar and that He just wanted to keep something good (the fruit) from her, saying, "God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."4 Dawkins has bought into Satan's first lie – that God is a cosmic -k-il-ljoy – even though he does not believe God exists.

      Dawkins goes on to quote several founding fathers, including Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, and Benjamin Franklin, who made statement against the religion of their time. John Adams is quoted as saying, "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."
      However here is the co-mplete quote in an April 19, 1817, letter to Thomas Jefferson:

      "Twenty times in the co-urse of my late reading have I been on the point of breaking out, 'This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion at all!!!' But in this exclamation I would have been as fa-na-tical as Bryant or C-le-verly. Without religion, this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite co-mpany, I mean h-e-l-l."

      In quo-ting John Adams out-of-context, Dawkins has made it seem that Adams said exactly op-p-o-site of what he really intended. No wonder he left out the part where Adams said the world would be "h-e-l-l" "without religion." Adams directly refuted Dawkins' major premise of the book – that religion is the great ev-il in the world – and affi-rmed the op-po-site – that religion keeps the world from becoming co-mpletely evil. In fact, John Ad-a-ms said some things about Christianity that Dawkins probably won't be quoting any time soon such as, "The Christian religion, in its primitive purity and simplicity, I have entertained for more than sixty years. It is the religion of reason, equ-ity, and love; it is the religion of the he-ad and the heart."

      Dawkins also qu-otes James Madison out-of-context, "During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servil-ity in the la-ity; in both, superst-i-tion, bi-g-otry and per-s-e-cut-ion." The quote comes from his di0ssent of James Madison to a bill introd-u-ced into the General A-s-sembly of Virginia, to levy a general a-s-s-essment for the support of teachers of religions.

      Madison's objection was not to Christianity, but to the establishment of sta-te-sponsored "Christianity." This is evident from the first sentence of the quoted section, which Dawkins conveniently leaves out:
      "Because experience witnesseth that eccelsiastical establishments, instead of maintaining the purity and efficacy of Religion, have had a contrary operation. During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity..."
      It is clear from the context that Madison objected to the "legal establishment of Christianity" – not to Christianity itself, which he indicates has "efficacy." Dawkins fails to quote some of the other things Madison has to say about religion and Christianity in the same do-c-u-ment:

      "":

      •"It is the duty of every man to render to the Creator such h=o=mage and such only as he believes to be acceptable to him"
      •"Before any man can be considered as a member of Civ-il So-ci-ety, he must be considered as a subject of the Gover-nour of the Universe"
      •"Because the policy of the Bill is adverse to the di-ffu-s-ion of the light of Christianity"
      The really funny thing is that James Madison would have never accepted Richard Dawkins "as a member of Ci-vil So-ciety," since he has not su-bj-e-ct-ed himself to the "Gover-nour of the Uni-verse

      Dawkins then defines the god against which he is arguing:

      "He not only created the universe; he is a personal God dwelling within it, or perhaps outside it (whatever that might mean), possessing the unpleasantly human qualities to which I have alluded."

      The disturbing thing about Dawkins' definition of God is that he doesn't seem to understand the nature of the universe. Dawkins doesn't seem to understand that space-time is in a state of continual expansion, and that the universe is neither infinite nor eternal. The cause of this expansion, whether it be natural or supernatural, exists outside the bounds of detectable space-time. So, yes, there is an "outside" the universe. The God of Judaism and Christianity does not just "perhaps" exist outside the universe, but quite explicitly cannot be contained by even the outer reaches of the universe.

      Dawkins doesn't want to be accountable to God
      Dawkins goes on to praise the "deist god of Voltaire and Thomas Pa-ine," calling Him "lofty," "grander," and "a physicist to end all physics, the alpha and omega of mathematicians, the ap-otheos-is of designers; a hyper-engi-neer." The reason for all this praise is because He is "unco-ncerned with human affairs, sub-limely aloof from our private thoughts and hopes, caring nothing for our messy s-ins or mu-mbled contr-itions." From these rants, it is apparent that what Dawkins dislikes most about the God of Christianity is His desire for moral accountability from people. Dawkins doesn't want to be morally accountable, and finds a God who demands such accountability to be evil. Dawkins himself is currently in his third marriage, being divorced twice. Like other atheists, he doesn't like the idea of a god being "concerned with what adults do in the privacy of their b-e-dr-ooms."
      The idea that God is a co-smic k-i-l-ljoy, intent on denying us pleasure and good things, is not new to humanity. In fact, this ploy is the exact one Satan used on Eve in the garden of Eden to convince her to eat of the forbi-dden fruit. In his exchange with Eve, Satan indicated that God was a liar and that He just wanted to keep something good (the fruit) from her, saying, "God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."4 Dawkins has bought into Satan's first lie – that God is a cosmic -k-il-ljoy – even though he does not believe God exists.

      Dawkins goes on to quote several founding fathers, including Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, and Benjamin Franklin, who made statement against the religion of their time. John Adams is quoted as saying, "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."
      However here is the co-mplete quote in an April 19, 1817, letter to Thomas Jefferson:

      "Twenty times in the co-urse of my late reading have I been on the point of breaking out, 'This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion at all!!!' But in this exclamation I would have been as fa-na-tical as Bryant or C-le-verly. Without religion, this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite co-mpany, I mean h-e-l-l."

      In quo-ting John Adams out-of-context, Dawkins has made it seem that Adams said exactly op-p-o-site of what he really intended. No wonder he left out the part where Adams said the world would be "h-e-l-l" "without religion." Adams directly refuted Dawkins' major premise of the book – that religion is the great ev-il in the world – and affi-rmed the op-po-site – that religion keeps the world from becoming co-mpletely evil. In fact, John Ad-a-ms said some things about Christianity that Dawkins probably won't be quoting any time soon such as, "The Christian religion, in its primitive purity and simplicity, I have entertained for more than sixty years. It is the religion of reason, equ-ity, and love; it is the religion of the he-ad and the heart."

      Dawkins also qu-otes James Madison out-of-context, "During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servil-ity in the la-ity; in both, superst-i-tion, bi-g-otry and per-s-e-cut-ion." The quote comes from his di0ssent of James Madison to a bill introd-u-ced into the General A-s-sembly of Virginia, to levy a general a-s-s-essment for the support of teachers of religions.

      Madison's objection was not to Christianity, but to the establishment of sta-te-sponsored "Christianity." This is evident from the first sentence of the quoted section, which Dawkins conveniently leaves out:
      "Because experience witnesseth that eccelsiastical establishments, instead of maintaining the purity and efficacy of Religion, have had a contrary operation. During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity..."
      It is clear from the context that Madison objected to the "legal establishment of Christianity" – not to Christianity itself, which he indicates has "efficacy." Dawkins fails to quote some of the other things Madison has to say about religion and Christianity in the same do-c-u-ment:

      "":

      •"It is the duty of every man to render to the Creator such h=o=mage and such only as he believes to be acceptable to him"
      •"Before any man can be considered as a member of Civ-il So-ci-ety, he must be considered as a subject of the Gover-nour of the Universe"
      •"Because the policy of the Bill is adverse to the di-ffu-s-ion of the light of Christianity"
      The really funny thing is that James Madison would have never accepted Richard Dawkins "as a member of Ci-vil So-ciety," since he has not su-bj-e-ct-ed himself to the "Gover-nour of the Uni-verse

      October 26, 2010 at 10:11 pm |
    • Muneef

      As it seems now the atheists have found them selves atheist Prophet in the name of Dawkins?
      Any way Satan has told and convinced both Adam and Eve that if they ate the fruit they would become immortal and eternal..
      God being the light of the universe does not need to be at one place find description of same in Quran Sura 24:35
      The Quran has mentioned about the expansion of heavens Sura 51:47
      But here could it be for accommodating all generations since Adam and Eve until date of resurrection and judgment were there they will become as Paradises and Hells??

      October 27, 2010 at 9:19 pm |
  4. Iqbal khan

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOApMLNQQuM&w=640&h=360]

    October 26, 2010 at 5:35 pm |
    • Muneef

      @Iqbal Khan.

      That was a nice one.
      It was clear that some one has sacrificed him self on his behalf wearing his cloth or clothes and was not recognized by who came for him and his students managed to cover up for him.

      October 26, 2010 at 7:57 pm |
  5. Larry

    What a bunch of nasty athiests! Bunch of meaningless. brainless a-s-s-oholics!

    October 26, 2010 at 1:32 pm |
  6. Catholic

    David Johnson

    @Catholic

    Every generation, since Jesus died, has expected Him to return before they themselves died. Jesus predicted His own 1st century return. Jesus is dead. Sorry.

    Just more proof you don't understand what was written regarding this, Then again, you can't, can you? You don't have the Holy Spirit (which you only get by faith) to show you the truth. So, there you are wrong. Flawed.
    What you do is speak of what you think to be facts, when in fact you don't know what your talking about. Thats like somebody who uses a blanket statement to say I understand why something hasn't happened and therefore its not gone to, when they haven't been educated by the master, or took a class. LOL

    Besides, if everything was created from nothing, who says God couldn't be created from nothing. Therefore, He could very well indeed be what caused your Big Bang.,

    October 26, 2010 at 1:25 pm |
  7. Catholic

    Scorn

    You'd better look out for that Giant Pen1s of Doom, Catholic. You haven't seen ANY predictions come true yet, so you can just shut the hell up with your bullshlt.
    And stay away from children. You don't deserve to have children. You should all be sterilized.

    btw, I like how you admit that God is not here. LOL Thanks for that bit of honesty. It was a mistake, I know – you Catholics prefer to lie whenever possible....

    Wow! I am amazed at your angry retort, when all I did was say a sentence or two, based on my beliefs.
    Your the one that needs to stay away from children, with that temper! In fact, mayby you need to stay away from people in general.
    YOU SHOULD ALL BE STERLIZED...sounds like a Nazi statement. Mayby you should have a lobotomy!
    I am frightened more by people like you then issues about religon. You need to see a doctor and fast!

    October 26, 2010 at 1:15 pm |
  8. JohnQuest

    All of this deception, death and destruction over a few miles of sand and rock, ridiculous .

    October 26, 2010 at 10:06 am |
  9. WindingRoad

    David Johnson....Are you being two f-a-c-ed? I just came from a thread where you stated to somebody that you would be a Catholic is you were not Athiest!

    David Johnson

    I certainly am not a fan of the Catholic Church. But, do you think you might find it hard to accept any religious doctrine, or opinion, that conflicts with your own? The Catholic Church is the original, Peter has the keys, Christian Church. If you follow this to its logical conclusion, you could obey the Church and find salvation. If I believed in a god, I would probably be a Catholic.

    NOW YOU ARE SAYING THIS:

    David Johnson

    @VistaNow

    You said, "You People discuss what you do not understand, the keys of the kingdom has been given to the Catholic Church"

    The real Christians, do not agree with the Catholic Church on this. They believe that the rock Jesus was talking about, was not Peter, but Christ himself.

    Here is a very good website, explaining the truth and why this Catholic Church teaching is so false. Don't let these false beliefs send you to hell.

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.experts123.com%2Fq%2Fdid-jesus-christ-establish-the-catholic-church.html&ei=Z7zFTPSTNpLCsAOsg-GaDA&usg=AFQjCNH1FYHRx0cNBBjuM5OPuZwtX5Eq-Q

    October 26, 2010 at 8:23 am |
  10. David Johnson

    I trust the chosen people of Israel far more than I do the Catholics. I look forward to seeing the temple built, and Jesus descending through the clouds! Amen!

    October 25, 2010 at 9:51 pm |
    • Muneef

      Well dear I do not trust both of them and believe me whether the temple is built or not the date Jesus SAW supposed to land to earth he will land and start of with killing the pigs followed by the anti christ.

      October 26, 2010 at 7:16 am |
  11. Iqbal khan

    Who is the Prophet of Catholics?

    October 25, 2010 at 9:05 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Iqbal khan

      I think it was the developer of ky jelly. ?

      October 25, 2010 at 9:48 pm |
    • Sum Dude

      @David Johnson

      XD
      lmao!

      October 27, 2010 at 6:37 am |
  12. JohnQuest

    I am at a lose, it seems that the UN give the land to Israel not God, therefore the UN has the right to take the back or I'm I reading this wrong?

    October 25, 2010 at 10:00 am |
    • Sum Dude

      @JohnQuest

      I think it was more in the way of "recognizing" the "legitimacy" of the new state of Israel. They did not "give" it to them as they already had it in their possession.
      If the UN had not done that, Israel would probably have just ignored the UN and fought about it if needed. They got our support pretty easily, and we helped in making that UN decision I think, anyway.
      The Catholic Church has no legal standing to stick their noses into the peace process. That they did so in the manner we see hear shows me that they are not really trying to help. I think their agenda is a little different than that.

      October 25, 2010 at 11:30 am |
    • JohnQuest

      Sum Dude, you are probably correct, but the following is what I was referring to, this reads like a governmental body (the UN) created Israel:

      http://www.rosenblit.com/CREATE%20ISRAEL.htm

      October 25, 2010 at 1:31 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Sum Dude

      Yep, I totally agree with you. The Catholics have no business in politics.

      The Catholic stand on contraceptive and condom use, is causing death and starvation in Africa.

      October 25, 2010 at 1:38 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @JohnQuest

      I think one of the Commandments talk about not being an "Indian Giver". It was a stoning offence I think.

      October 25, 2010 at 9:59 pm |
    • Muneef

      @JohnQuest.
      @Sum Dude.
      Think you left me inquiry at the UAE Court case so I did answer those if you are interested to read..

      October 26, 2010 at 6:40 am |
  13. David Johnson

    @Catholic

    Every generation, since Jesus died, has expected Him to return before they themselves died. Jesus predicted His own 1st century return. Jesus is dead. Sorry.

    October 25, 2010 at 9:38 am |
    • Catholic

      Jesus said No man knows the hour or the day!
      So there. You got information he didn't have, O Thou of Little Knowledge? LOL

      Matthew 24:36-44 – But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels in heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Fro as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then two shall be in the field: one shall be taken, the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore; for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore, be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

      Therefore, be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. –Matthew 24.44

      October 31, 2010 at 10:46 am |
  14. Catholic

    I have never seen a prediction in the Old Testament that was not fulfilled. God will have his way. Don't listen to man on this, but God! He is coming back, sorry!

    October 25, 2010 at 6:58 am |
    • Reality

      For Catholic's eyes only:

      http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482

      New Torah/Old Testament For Modern Minds

      "Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

      Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.

      The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine docu-ment. "

      October 25, 2010 at 7:52 am |
    • Sum Dude

      @Catholic
      No, I don't think anyone's going to listen to you on this. Don't worry about that. Don't worry about that at all....

      October 25, 2010 at 8:17 am |
    • Muneef

      @Reality.
      Heard that there is some one impostering you is that true? Well now how would I now which is which?
      Just hope to be one with nice approach towards religion confusing posters...Ha ha

      October 25, 2010 at 8:23 am |
    • David Johnson

      The predictions concerning the Messiah from the Old Testament, came true in the New, because the authors wrote the New Testament to "prove" Jesus was the Messiah. There were predictions that Jesus did not fulfill. The Christians say He will fulfill these, when He comes a 2nd time. The Jews say the real Messiah will not need two trips.

      October 25, 2010 at 9:34 am |
    • ScottK

      I have never seen a prediction in the Lord of the Rings that was not fulfilled. Gandalf will have his way. Don't listen to Saruman on this, but Gandalf! He is coming back, sorry!...

      Funny thing about books and predictions...they always end the way the author intends.

      October 25, 2010 at 5:54 pm |
    • YYACV

      FOR THE TRUE BELIEVERS, WE THE JEWS, DO NOT BELIEVE THERE IS AN "OLD" TESTAMENT. THERE IS NO SUCH THING. THERE IS ONLY THE TANAKH (BIBLE). Christianity and Islam are both corrupted, pagan heresies of Judaism. AVRAHAM, YAACOV, MOISHE ALL EXISTED. How can one claim they never did? Because there is no "evidence" in archeological investigations? What proof would you need? Every legend has a kernel of truth. Things don't magically appear or just are imagined entirely. Stupid comment since knowledge only grows scientifically and only will grow as we find out more.

      October 25, 2010 at 5:59 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @YYACV

      I agree with you, that Christianity and the religion of Islam are wrong. You are the chosen. Of this I have no doubt. The Old Testament is your book. If you say Jesus is not the Messiah, then as much as it hurts, I would have to bow to your superior knowledge on his subject. Cheers!

      October 25, 2010 at 9:57 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Muneef

      The real Reality, is said to have a birth mark, in the shape of a butterfly, on his posterior. You could look to see if this is so.

      October 25, 2010 at 10:02 pm |
  15. Giant Pen1s of Doom

    all catholics are doomed by the giant pen1s!!!!

    October 25, 2010 at 6:09 am |
  16. Reality

    As seen on another blog:

    "American Muslims agree to leave the United States in a one-for-one exchange for Jews from Israel. Problem solved!"

    Another solution:

    Israel's formation was approved by the UN in 1948. It should honor the original UN agreement and live within the described borders. Considering the hate generated by passages in the koran and OT, erecting dividing walls between Muslims and Jews was a good idea and should continue. UN forces should control these walls.

    And Jerusalem should be made into an international city under the control and protection of the UN.

    October 25, 2010 at 12:27 am |
    • Muneef

      Just do not understand how is it the UN gives out what it does not own? The UN is just a mask disguising wolves it is only because those bustards we since then up to date had no peace in the middle east and truely I feel they deserve the Ghost of Terror they had created that is coming to them from the same middle east they messed up with the lives of it's nations..

      October 25, 2010 at 8:10 am |
    • Reality

      Some additional history:

      "After the First World War, Palestine had been allotted to Britain as a League of Nations ma-ndate. The idea of a Jewish national home in Palestine received its first international su-pport within the 1922 text of the creation of the British ma-ndate of Palestine by the League of Nations.

      Following the Second World War peace set-tlement and the establishment of the United Nations in 1945, the United Nations Special Com-mittee on Palestine was ma-ndated to the region in 1947. In its final report, the Co-mmission recommended the parti-tion of Palestine into a Jewish state, an Arab state and a UN-controlled ter-ritory (Corpus separa-tum) around Jerusalem[2] This part-ition plan was adopted on November 29, 1947, 33 votes in favor, 13 against, and 10 abs-te-ntions. The vote itself, which required a two-third majority, was a dra-matic af-fair. It led to cele-br-ations in the streets of Jewish cities, but was re-jected by the Arab Palestinians and the Arab League.

      Resolution 181 laid a fo-und-ation within international law and diplomacy[3] for the creation of the state of Israel; as it was the first formal recognition by an international body of the legitimacy of a Jewish state, to exist within a part-ition of the territory along with an Arab state.

      The UN followed the practice of the Peace Conference of Paris and the League of Nations regarding the creation of states.[4] Religious and minority rights were placed under the protection of the United Nations and recognition of the new states was conditioned upon acceptance of a const-itutional plan of legal protections.[5][6]

      (If you want to give land back to the first inh-abitants, Israel/Palestine belongs to the de-scendents of the Hitti-tes who took over after the Nea-ndert-hals went ext-inct.)

      October 25, 2010 at 1:22 pm |
    • YYACV

      Wow you are really either an idiot or a complete ignoramus. The UN if you have not figured out already with its impotence is a joke, a plaything of dictators and Islamist crazies. JEWS BELONG IN ISRAEL, NOT UGANDA OR WHATEVER IMBECILIC PLACE IN THE GALUT. The Arabs have 22 states, what they have to steal the very core of our historical homeland in Judea and Samaria? Screw them, they lost the wars, they need to accept that. BTW Jordan is "Palestine" – British creature given to their lackey Hashemites.

      October 25, 2010 at 5:55 pm |
    • Muneef

      @Reality.

      Is it true that you have a birth mark in the shape of a butterfly on your posterior ? Ha ha
      Dance like a butterfly and sting like a bee...

      October 26, 2010 at 6:35 am |
    • Muneef

      Actully as Muslims we should be granted by the UN a state in the USA although having no religous bases but can be on the bases of Muslims having brought as slaves to slave for this country... Isn't that fair enough? Since you been distributing what you don't own at least now some thing you said to own otherwise for us it is still the country of Red Indians and you are only unwanted guests over there...

      October 26, 2010 at 10:35 am |
  17. Frank

    ""We Christians cannot speak of the 'promised land' as an exclusive right for a privileged Jewish people," Archbishop Cyril Salim Bustros, who leads the Greek Melkite Church in the U.S., said at the conference's final press conference on Saturday. "This promise was nullified by Christ."

    "There is no longer a chosen people - all men and women of all countries have become the chosen people," Bustros said."

    That is the voice of true Christianity in regards to the murderous political ideology of Zionism. May God bless, strengthen and protest these brave Christian leaders.

    However, I expect the Zionist bloodhounds will do their best to hammer the Catholic Church on this. After all, we have no right to disagree when it comes to Zionism, apparently. Especially if you're in a position of power.

    October 24, 2010 at 11:01 pm |
    • Scorn

      You deserve hell for your crimes and your lies. You fawn over your pedo-priests like a good Catholic who likes how it felt.
      Sick twisted spawn of hell!
      No mercy should be shown to the Catholic Church. You deserve nothing but the worst. May it all profit you in Hell.

      October 25, 2010 at 7:56 am |
    • Sum Dude

      @Frank

      Making more friends, I see.
      When are you going to get a clue, Frank? How many lives must you help destroy before you realize the harm you are doing? How can you live with yourself? How can you live with the shame of what you're doing?
      If we gave you a CAT scan or MRI, would it show a deformed frontal lobe? I wonder about you, Frank. I really do.

      October 25, 2010 at 8:16 am |
    • YYACV

      Frank just shut up and die. You believe in BLASPHEMY, HERESY, PANTHEISM, G_D AS MAN, HATRED OF THE JEWS THAT YOUR "CHRISTIANITY", IS A DISTORTED WARPED HERESY FROM. Zionism is Jewish nationalism, it is our state, our land, our history, our people. So if you are not a Jew it is NONE OF YOUR DAMN CONCERN.

      October 25, 2010 at 5:52 pm |
    • Frank

      Wow. Such hatred. It's not even worth the time of day to reply to any of you. All three of you should examine your own selves before posting such disgusting sh!t. I don't recall saying such abhorrent things to any of you.
      Sum Dude, worry about yourself.
      And, YYACV, you must work for the ADL and are here to stir up Jew-hate. Or you are simply out of your mind. May God have mercy on your pitiful soul if those are your true beliefs.

      October 25, 2010 at 11:58 pm |
    • Frank

      Do you three honestly believe that by throwing hatred around, that you're going to make someone change their mind and come to an understanding of your position? All it does is breed hatred and division.
      You wish horrible things to happen to me, but I wish peace and love to you. The last thing this dying world needs is more hatred. What you put out there, will eventually come crashing back down on your heads.
      That's all I have to say, really. So sad-making, as Agatha from Bright Young Things would say (Lol).

      October 26, 2010 at 12:40 am |
    • Muneef

      Polish and Russians must go back to rot where ever they came from and there will be no peace unless and until the sovereignty goes back to Palestinians or at least Arab Jews. Like it or not this as situation will remain and Thanks to Britain and the UN for this bloodshed that will remain until the day of resurrection.
      Sura 60:08 to 09
      Sura 17:07 to 08

      October 26, 2010 at 10:00 am |
    • Muneef

      Correction Sura 17:04 to 08.

      October 26, 2010 at 10:27 am |
  18. David Johnson

    The article said: ""The Holy City of Jerusalem will be able to acquire its proper status, which respects its particular character, its holiness and the religious patrimony of the three religions: Jewish, Christian and Muslim," it said. "We hope that the two-state-solution might become a reality and not a dream only."

    WoW, I think this won't go over well with the fundies. They want the Holy Temple of Jerusalem to be rebuilt. No temple, No Jesus's 2nd coming. My heart breaks for them.

    October 24, 2010 at 9:52 pm |
    • Sum Dude

      @David Johnson

      Hi David! I don't know why they felt the need to stick their noses into the peace process, but I sure wish someone would kick their asses. But then they're all nuts anyway. They all want it both ways but only in their favor. Religious people are just nuts.

      October 25, 2010 at 8:12 am |
    • VistaNow

      You People discuss what you do not understand, the keys of the kingdom has been given to the Catholic Church, ...Mt 24 ...not dependent on your prophesy to rebuild the temple or the Jewish misunderstanding that the coming Messiah is going to reveal new things. The Glorified Christ is to keep our eyes and hope for. Jerusalem should be free from violence where all people may worship and move about freely

      October 25, 2010 at 1:05 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @VistaNow

      You said, "You People discuss what you do not understand, the keys of the kingdom has been given to the Catholic Church"

      The real Christians, do not agree with the Catholic Church on this. They believe that the rock Jesus was talking about, was not Peter, but Christ himself.

      Here is a very good website, explaining the truth and why this Catholic Church teaching is so false. Don't let these false beliefs send you to hell.

      http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.experts123.com%2Fq%2Fdid-jesus-christ-establish-the-catholic-church.html&ei=Z7zFTPSTNpLCsAOsg-GaDA&usg=AFQjCNH1FYHRx0cNBBjuM5OPuZwtX5Eq-Q

      October 25, 2010 at 1:33 pm |
    • 61Baptist80

      to VistaNow – "You People discuss what you do not understand, the keys of the kingdom has been given to the Catholic Church"

      WRONG – catholics are not considered either Christians or Christ's Church. You gave up that right in the 2nd century when through deceit and desire for power, your people created offices, and tiers that weren't ever intended by God's and Christ's own instructions. Through lies, murder, instigating the Crusades, slaughtering thousands in the Inquisition (the so-called heretics you killed – AnaBaptists, my ancestors dating to before the reformation and even before catholocism), your so-called church has shown its true face, just as Islam does through their methods of warfare. And your Anti-Christ pope has NEVER denounced the Inquisition, nor apologized for the corruption of your cardinals and bishops, but why should he, it's been ignored and allowed for 1500 years. Oh, and while you're at it, get rid of your corrupted vulgate translation and read a real bible to see what Christ really said.

      October 25, 2010 at 3:30 pm |
    • VistaNow

      If you examine the text carefully ours is the history, the teaching traditions, a royal priesthood, a holy nation a people set apart, that is why the world hates us. We are rooted from the very begining as given to the apostle st peter and st paul by Jesus Himself. The catholic name and succession passes on to our current Holy Father Benedict XVI as described by our early church fathers. You are mistaken in arrogance for failing to recognize the teachings of Jesus Christ. Our 2000 plus year faithfulness to our Lord Jesus proves to the whole world that He, Jesus is the Son of God and we do as he told us, not by any means perfect but neither are you a good person, because God is the only one Good!

      October 25, 2010 at 4:47 pm |
    • YYACV

      It is OUR JEWISH TEMPLE THAT WILL BE REBUILT you morons, not the heretical "christians" crazy ridiculous "prophecies". They believe in three gods, blasphemy, lies, pagan ritual and theology. ALL of Israel including Judea, Samaria, and Gaza belong to the Jewish state. There is no room to oblige the heretical Muslim and Christian unbelievers in the land, let alone Jerusalem.

      October 25, 2010 at 5:49 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @VistaNow

      61Baptist80 is so right! Only the King Jimmy is the inerrant word of God! You best be getting right with god my Catholic friend. Jesus is packing a bag, even as we speak! I will pray for you!

      October 25, 2010 at 9:47 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @YYACV
      You said: "It is OUR JEWISH TEMPLE THAT WILL BE REBUILT you morons, not the heretical "christians" crazy ridiculous "prophecies".

      WOW! Dude, you nailed it. I have seen this problem for some time. I am most worried that Christians believe these silly prophecies. If you rebuild the temple, it should be for Jews only.

      October 25, 2010 at 10:14 pm |
    • Jurassic Park

      A recent discovery of fossilized tracks in Poland, reliably dated at 395 million years ago,1 have turned tetrapod evolution on its head. All the previously discovered so-called "transitional" forms and intermediates occurred at least 10 million years after the new tetrapod was already walking on land. What makes matters worse for you evolutionists, is that this was a true tetrapod, with completely developed feet, toes, and claws
      . In addition, this animal was large – at least 8 feet long. Other, smaller tracks were also found at the same location, suggesting the existence of a complete ecosystem of animals. In contrast to the poorly developed "intermediates," which dragged themselves over land, this animal had a modern amphibian-like gate, not even dragging its tail in the mud.
      What is even more puzzling to evolutionists is the fact that it was hunting on land. So, the discovery suggests the possible existence of a complete ecosystem, before evolutionists thought tetrapods even existed. Previous trackway footprints had suggested that tetrapods were walking on land 385 million years ago,2 although the tracks were not as clear as those in the current study.
      The existence of a fully land-adapted tetrapod 395 million years ago has completely destroyed the reigning evolutionary paradigm of the fish to land dwelling animal evolutionary hypothesis. Not only did this creature exist before its "transitional" ancestors, but it was already fully adapted to living on land, with feet, toes and claws.
      Evolutionary biologists are stuck with trying to find the ancestor of this creature, perhaps existing at least 420 million years ago. Their excuse is the classic one – "ghost lineages," according to the authors of the new study. The alternative, but not "scientific" explanation is that God created tetrapods in fully formed ecological co-mmunities as part of His preparation of earth for habitation by human beings.
      ANOTHER THING:

      When Stephen Hawking, George Ellis, and Roger Penrose extended the equations for general relativity to include space and time, the results showed that time has a beginning – at the moment of creation (i.e., the Big Bang).3 In fact, if you examine university websites, you will find that many professors make such a claim – that the universe had a beginning and that this beginning marked the beginning of time (see The Universe is Not Eternal, But Had A Beginning). Such a-s-sertions support the Bible's claim that time began at the creation of the universe.
      God has no need to have been created, since He exists either outside time (where cause and effect do not operate) or within multiple dimensions of time (such that there is no beginning of God's plane of time). Hence God is eternal, having never been created. Although it is possible that the universe itself is eternal, eliminating the need for its creation, observational evidence contrad-i-cts this hypothesis, since the universe began to exist a finite ~13.7 billion years ago. The only possible escape for the atheist is the invention of a kind of super universe, which can never be confirmed experimentally (hence it is metaphysical in nature, and not scientific).

      October 26, 2010 at 9:23 pm |
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