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November 3rd, 2010
03:08 PM ET

Oklahomans vote against Sharia law

Editor's Note: Here's an update to a story we brought you earlier. You can see our earlier report on this from CNN's Laurie Urie here.  CNN's Marshall Arbitman files this report over at the CNN Political Ticker.

Looks like Oklahomans will not, repeat not, be subject to Sharia law anytime in the near future. Local media in the state, tonight, is reporting that ballot initiative SQ755, which bars state courts from using Islamic or international law, is on the path to approval– Yes votes outweighing Nos by more than two-to-one, with about 40-percent of the precincts in.

The outcome was never in doubt, but the measure's necessity was, and is. Constitutional scholars point out that Sharia law is religious law, and the first words of the First Amendment say, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."

Still, the fact that it got on the ballot in the first place says a lot about what's on voters' minds.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Church and state • Courts • Oklahoma • Politics • United States

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  1. Kahren

    Curt – We had such a great time with you, Magnus! This picture is btuueifal and we can't wait to see the others after you've done your magic. Great work as always!

    April 1, 2012 at 2:53 am |
  2. Muneef

    Importance of First Ten Days of Zul-Hijjah
     
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    Almighty Allaah says, (By the dawn; by the ten nights) (Qur'aan-Al-Fajr 89: 1-2). Ibn `Abbas, ibn az-Zubayr, Mujahid and others of the earlier and later generations are of the opinion that this refers to the first ten days of Dhul-Hijjah. Ibn Kathir said: "This is the correct opinion." (Tafsir Ibn Kathir, 8/413)
     
     
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    The 9th day of Zul Hijjah is called Yowmul-Arafah (The Day of Arafah). This is the date when the Hujjaj (Haji pilgrims, plural of Haji) assemble on the plain of Arafat, six miles away from Makkah al-Mukkarramah, where they perform the most essential part of the prescribed duties of hajj, namely, making Tawbah (repenting) at the Wuqoof of Arafat.
     
    THE FAST OF YOUMUL ARAFAH
     
    For those not performing hajj, it is Mustahab (desirable) to fast on this day according to their calendar. It sometimes occurs that 9th Zul Hijjah falls on different days in different countries according to the sighting of the moon. In such cases, Muslims of each country should observe Yowmul Arafah according to the lunar dates of their own country.
     
    The fast of Yowmul Arafah has been emphasized by the Holy Prophet, Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam, as a Mustahab (desirable) act. According to a Hadith, the fast of this day becomes a cause of forgiveness for sins committed in the past and future year. (Hadith-Muslim)
     
    TAKBIR-E-TASHREEQ
     
    Beginning from the Fajr of the 9th Zul Hijjah up to the 'Asr prayer of the 13th, it is obligatory on every Muslim male to recite the Takbir-e-Tashreeq after every Fard Salaah (in congregation or alone) in the following words: Allaahu Akbar, Allaahu Akbar, La IlahaIllallahu, Wallahu Akbar, Allaahu Akbar wa lillahilhamd. (There is no god but Allaah and Allaah is the greatest, Allaah is the greatest and to Allaah belongs all praise.)Male Muslims should recite it in a loud voice, while females should recite it in a low voice.
     
    May Allaah Ta’aala enable us to use these blessed days in attaining His pleasure.
    http://www.islamicsolutions.com/world-day-of-god-2010/

    November 7, 2010 at 9:43 pm |
  3. Muneef

    @NM.
    Thanks for the link which we should call for the sake of humanity..".God in One for All and All for One".

    November 4, 2010 at 6:31 pm |
    • Reality

      Some words of wisdom about the state of mind of Islam from Sir Salman Rushdie in his book, Satanic Verses:

      "The faithful lived by lawlessness, but in those years Mahound – or should one say the Archangel Gibreel? – should one say Al-Lah? – became obsessed by law.

      Amid the palm-trees of the oasis Gibreel appeared to the Prophet and found himself spouting rules, rules, rules, until the faithful could scarcely bear the prospect of any more revelation, Salman said, rules about every damn thing, if a man farts let him turn his face to the wind, a rule about which hand to use for the purpose of cleaning one's behind.

      It was as if no aspect of human existence was to be left unregulated, free. The revelation – the recitation- told the faithful how much to eat, how deeply they should sleep, and which se-xual positions had received divine sanction, so that they leamed that so-domy and the missionary position were approved of by the archangel, whereas the forbidden po-stures included all those in which the female was on top.

      Gibreel further listed the permitted and forbidden subjects of conversation, and earmarked the parts of the body which could not be scratched no matter how unbearably they might itch."

      Gibreel = Gabriel
      Mahound = Mohammed

      November 4, 2010 at 11:47 pm |
    • Muneef

      @Reality.
      What is it if you were given a rule not to fart and let people smell your fart ? They tell you to choose farting where the air take your fart from other people noses.
      What if you were told to use only your left hand to clean your behind because with the right hand you eat and shake hands?
      Your Salam is a pig who does not like rules that speaks of how to clean and hygienic.
      How much to eat with out getting stuffed up leave space for food,water and air and that what human consist of and should be leveled for good health? Beside these talks were not by Gbreel or Quran but hadith by the prophet. The rest of the talk is made up by your Salman or some Junk Imams of his area otherwise the only thing mentioned is that couples should not to see parts of each other meaning to do it in the dark. And not to come on females behind Ar..

      November 6, 2010 at 6:18 am |
  4. Muneef

    A quote of some words of wisdom:
    Be careful though; when we become stuck in 'negative grieving' it is as if we are ‘choosing’ to keep our heart broken. If you find yourself stuck in the grieving process and not moving forward through it, look for how you can find happiness in everyday things. Focus on doing things that make you laugh or feel good about yourself.
    As the Dalai Lama likes to tell us, happiness is a state of mind. Forgiveness, compassion and acceptance can help heal a wounded heart and then the light of love and joy can come into your life once more.!

    November 4, 2010 at 5:44 pm |
  5. NM

    please check out http://www.islamicsolutions.com/believers-of-the-world-unite-world-day-of-god-2010/

    November 4, 2010 at 4:07 pm |
  6. Muneef

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    November 4, 2010 at 1:59 pm |
    • Reality

      And then there are the Worst Of Men. The list includes Hitler, the German males from 1937-1945, Stalin, the Russian males from 1917-1989, Mohammed/Mahound, and the male followers of the passages in the koran that dictate suppression of women and male Muslim domination of the world by any means, ~1600-present.

      November 4, 2010 at 3:56 pm |
  7. Stopthelies2010

    I am a believer in Jesus Christ. The Gospel of Jesus does not promote beheading people that don't believe the Gospel. Our nation was founded on Judeo-Christian values. It is what it is! The fact is that Church and State have always been connected in some way. Only in the last one hundred years or so, secularists, humanists and other ists... have started a postmodern philosophical war against what has always been a clear view of good and evil. Folks, evil exists and it is out there and it is not the basic truths of Christianity. Unlike the Islam and Sharia Law.

    November 4, 2010 at 1:31 pm |
  8. Medardus

    Textbook unconst-itutional.

    November 4, 2010 at 1:05 pm |
  9. GSA

    @honestanon
    I value your opinion and totally get where you coming from but all those videos you post are meaningless. The truth of the matter is that most Muslims themselves would not want Sharia law put into place and many consider it against the Muslim faith. Like Andy mentioned, there are religious nutters everywhere and there the ones pushing for this, not the vast majority.

    November 4, 2010 at 11:12 am |
    • honestanon

      @ GSA

      "The truth of the matter is that most Muslims themselves would not want Sharia law put into place and many consider it against the Muslim faith."

      Source(s) please?

      November 4, 2010 at 2:00 pm |
  10. Andy

    The US really is a country of fanatical religious nutters, sad very sad

    November 4, 2010 at 1:49 am |
  11. Ronald

    Personally, I don't care what religion one claims, no religious laws. Everyone should be judged by the laws of the land, period!

    November 3, 2010 at 11:27 pm |
  12. Seattle Sue

    that seems like a pretty silly law to pass.

    November 3, 2010 at 11:20 pm |
  13. honestanon

    analyst-network.com/article.php?art_id=3453

    November 3, 2010 at 10:27 pm |
    • honestanon

      sorry – response to Luke above.

      November 3, 2010 at 10:32 pm |
  14. Bubba, Jr.

    OK, I'll buy that buy only when these folks also reject Christian law as THE law of the land.

    November 3, 2010 at 7:57 pm |
  15. Keith

    Put it on the ballot in every state in the next election. Send the results to Imam Rauf and tell him to get bent.

    November 3, 2010 at 7:13 pm |
    • Luke

      Can you point me in the direction of where Imam Rauf said he supports Sharia Law in the US please?

      November 3, 2010 at 7:22 pm |
    • Keith

      Luke, Were you born this naive? Or did you have to go through four years of college to achieve your critical thinking skills?

      November 3, 2010 at 7:32 pm |
    • honestanon

      loganswarning.com/2010/09/14/imam-faisal-abdul-rauf-tells-jordanian-newspaper-he-is-for-sharia-law/

      November 3, 2010 at 10:25 pm |
    • honestanon

      redcounty.com/content/exposing-real-imam-feisal-abdul-rauf

      November 3, 2010 at 10:25 pm |
    • honestanon

      http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/09/extremist-imam-rauf-today-90-of-sharia-law-is-fully-compatible-not-only-compatible-its-consistent-or.html

      November 3, 2010 at 10:28 pm |
    • honestanon

      http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/ground-zero-imam-i-dont-believe-in-religious-dialogue/

      There's only about 20 more pages of results... now go and finish your own research.

      November 3, 2010 at 10:30 pm |
    • Mike, not me

      honestanon, Nice also nice rebuttle to Sum Dude.

      November 4, 2010 at 9:04 am |
  16. GSA

    There definitely is no place for Sharia law in America or anywhere for that matter but the fact that any American actually thinks this is something to worry about is just plain ignorant and mis-guided and a huge waste of taxpayers money to have this issue on any ballot.

    November 3, 2010 at 6:14 pm |
    • honestanon

      @GSA

      sharia is in Britain. sharia is in France. If we don't stop it, sharia will be coming to America. Get your head out of the sand.

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLOflbAOeg&w=640&h=360]

      November 3, 2010 at 7:24 pm |
    • honestanon

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox7OdSQxDO0&w=640&h=360]

      November 3, 2010 at 7:28 pm |
    • honestanon

      Part One of Three

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpIt3Mhr5As&w=640&h=360]

      November 3, 2010 at 7:29 pm |
    • honestanon

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0vItJqpQ8U&w=640&h=360]

      November 3, 2010 at 7:33 pm |
    • honestanon

      How it starts...

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEPod-hxD7g&w=640&h=360]

      November 3, 2010 at 7:46 pm |
  17. Sum Dude

    Sharia law has no place in the American justice system, and neither does any other religious law.

    To all those people who like to twist things by saying, "...but this is infringing on the free exercise of religion..", etc. I say that in our government, there is no legal basis for ANY religious law to be used in governing our nation. That includes the laws to be considered in a court of law – all of them MUST be legal statutes duly created in a Constltutionally acceptable manner – that also maintain the separation of religion and government as a matter of course.

    That judge should be disbarred for allowing a religious law to trump the laws of this country for even one second.
    They do not and should never be allowed to do so.
    If a religious law allows murder, that does not mean we should let followers of that religion to go around murdering people just because it's part of their religion. That would be INSANE.

    The Constltution is the supreme law of the land. No religious law should ever be allowed to overthrow the Constltution. That would be treason, plain and simple. Religious people who disagree with me are more than welcome to seek living accommodations elsewhere in the world where their religious nonsense trumps common sense and common law.
    That treason stuff doesn't fly with me.

    November 3, 2010 at 5:11 pm |
    • Tighe

      Sum Dude,

      What qualifies as religious law? Most modern law derives from Jewish, Christain or Muslim traditions. I am wondering how a Humanist would draw a line in the sand.

      November 3, 2010 at 6:21 pm |
    • Sum Dude

      @Tighe

      I use the Constltution, common sense, logic, and reason to draw my lines in the sand – especially where religion is concerned.

      Most of our law derives from English Common law. Plenty of it makes no sense, does not work, oppresses people, restricts rights without cause or common sense....and most of those crappy laws that should be abolished are usually the ones "derived" from religious laws / traditions / interpretations, etc.
      I am not a Humanist, whatever that means. I am an agnostic evidentialist. If there is some sort of "doctrine" for "Humanists" then I would have to examine it very closely before I was willing to say I was one of them.

      As for what qualifies as religious law, it is within a religion and not any secular statute. If this definition doesn't work for you, then maybe we could toss it back and forth – but it seems pretty obvious to me that what is religious is not secular – they are not necessarily opposites, but they are generally contradictory in nature. k?

      November 3, 2010 at 6:48 pm |
    • honestanon

      @ Sum Dude

      "I am not a Humanist, whatever that means. I am an agnostic evidentialist. If there is some sort of "doctrine" for "Humanists" then I would have to examine it very closely before I was willing to say I was one of them."

      Here 'ya go.

      ++++++++++++++++++

      Excerpt from
      A Secular Humanist Declaration
      The Council for Democratic and Secular Humanism
      cir. 1980

      1/10. Free Inquiry

      (the "What")

      The first principle of democratic secular humanism is its commitment to free inquiry. We oppose any tyranny over the mind of man, any efforts by ecclesiastical, political, ideological, or social inst-itutions to shackle free thought. In the past, such tyrannies have been directed by churches and states attempting to enforce the edicts of religious bigots. In the long struggle in the history of ideas, established insti-tutions, both public and private, have attempted to censor inquiry, to impose orthodoxy on beliefs and values, and to excommunicate heretics and extirpate unbelievers. Today, the struggle for free inquiry has assumed new forms. Sectarian ideologies have become the new theologies that use political parties and governments in their mission to crush dissident opinion. Free inquiry entails recognition of civil liberties as integral to its pursuit, that is, a free press, freedom of communication, the right to organize opposition parties and to join voluntary as-sociations, and freedom to cultivate and publish the fruits of scientific, philosophical, artistic, literary, moral and religious freedom.

      (the "How")

      Free inquiry requires that we tolerate diversity of opinion and that we respect the right of individuals to express their beliefs, however unpopular they may be, without social or legal prohibition or fear of sanctions. Though we may tolerate contrasting points of view, this does not mean that they are immune to critical scrutiny. The guiding premise of those who believe in free inquiry is that truth is more likely to be discovered if the opportunity exists for the free exchange of opposing opinions; the process of interchange is frequently as important as the result. This applies not only to science and to everyday life, but to politics, economics, morality, and religion.

      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

      So, this group feels that how you express, share, or otherwise postulate your belief is as important as what you're trying to convey. Key concepts of "respect, toleration, and free exchange" should not be ignored, even in forums as simple as these blogs. You might want to look it up and get back to us on whether or not you're a 'humanist'. If you're not, I for one would be interested in why you'd disqualify yourself.

      November 3, 2010 at 10:46 pm |
    • Sum Dude

      @honestanon

      Your long post was unnecessary. Are you trying to put "Reality" out of business? lol

      I will not accept your "information" when given to me in that manner. Nothing personal. I do not like my information at third or fourth hand. I ignore Reality's "references" in the same way – and that goes for anyone's assertions in this blog.

      If and when I feel like discussing the different flavors of "Humanist" I will do my own research on my own time and in my own way....don't shove this "statement" in my face and make demands like that. It's not what I was talking about and has no bearing on my discussion nor on any of the points I was trying to make.

      Thank you for making a big deal out of it, but wouldn't you like to discuss something instead of giving me the third degree about my personal beliefs?
      Can I do the same to you and ask why you need this information, why you think I need to believe your posted words, what your beliefs are and why you believe them, and what you had for breakfast?

      But I really don't want to know, having seen many of your posts in the past.
      Thanks anyway.

      November 4, 2010 at 12:26 am |
    • honestanon

      @ Sum Dude

      "I am not a Humanist, whatever that means."

      Hmmm. I guess I was just trying to help you with the concept of making an informed decision.

      Here; Don't strain yourself. http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?page=declaration&section=main

      November 4, 2010 at 1:06 am |
    • Sum Dude

      @honestanon

      Not going there...no problem, no strain....just bored enough to post this response.... 😛

      November 4, 2010 at 4:58 am |
    • ohwnou

      careful i know you are just playing but this could you elect ed to something

      November 4, 2010 at 10:47 pm |
  18. Luke

    Why wasn't Canon Law on the ballot too?

    November 3, 2010 at 4:30 pm |
  19. Megatron

    It's Today Now! Oklahoma's best news station. Today we're interviewing Bubba-Bob-Joe Thornton about why he voted yes to banning Sharia law in Oklahoma.

    "Well, we gotta send dem dar terrorists a message. It's this. We don't want your stinkin shania law down heres. They'll see how we voted on prop 82 and they'll know what we're all about. We's a Christian nation."

    When questioned why the USA does not allow slavery, the deaths of first born infants and the raping and pillaging of people who have a different faith, Bubba-Bob-Joe responded "That's a hooey. It's not even in the bible. It's all made up by them dar atheists. They should read the bible instead of reading it."

    November 3, 2010 at 3:25 pm |
    • Mike, not me

      your an idiot. Salvery in the Bible is not the western salvery you think of. Death of first born was after 9 other attempts at repentance, God constantly attacking what the Egyptians though as Gods.

      The prop was in response to what is currently going on in Britian and what is about to happen to France. Let it not happen to us.

      November 3, 2010 at 3:37 pm |
    • Andy

      lol, brillant

      November 4, 2010 at 1:45 am |
    • brad

      Megatron, Oklahoma did not become a state until 1907, well after slavery officially ended. Of course slavery went on in the Northern states long after the Civil War , i.e. immigrants being worked to death in mines, mills, factories, slaughter houses, etc.

      Also, Megatoon, people passing through Oklahoma often comment about how civilized the people are here. No need for you to come here. You wouldn't fit in.

      November 4, 2010 at 9:22 am |
  20. Confused

    Please explain, I must be too tired. If "yes" is for the proposal, then what is the proposal?

    November 3, 2010 at 3:18 pm |
    • StopTheLies

      Please watch this video about Sharia Law... http://video.yahoo.com/watch/3853268/10514441

      November 11, 2010 at 3:06 pm |
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