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Faith groups divided over New York Islamic Center
November 9th, 2010
09:00 AM ET

Faith groups divided over New York Islamic Center

Editor's Note: CNN's Ed Payne brings us this report.

American Christians, Muslims and those of other faiths are divided over what to do about a proposed Islamic community center near ground zero in New York, a new poll shows.

While some six in 10 Catholics and Mormons think another location should be found, less than a third of Muslims, other non-Christians and non-religious Americans feel the same way, according to the Gallup survey.  Jewish Americans, Protestants and other Christians fell more in the middle.

No majority exists in any of the groups for building the center on the proposed location.

About 40 percent of Muslims, other non-Christians and non-religious Americans support the idea, while the numbers drop to 25 percent or less for Catholics, Mormons, Jewish Americans, Protestants and other Christians.

The proposed Islamic community center and mosque - now officially dubbed Park51 - would be two blocks north of ground zero, where two aircraft hijacked by Muslim extremists on September 11, 2001, crashed into the World Trade Center's twin towers, causing them to collapse.

About 3,000 people died, and many city residents say the Islamic facility's location would be inappropriate because feelings from that day remain fresh and bitter.

The Gallup poll was conducted October 5-21, with 1,729 adults across the United States.  More than 200 people were questioned in each religious group except "other non-Christian religion."

Respondents were asked their opinion about "the best way to resolve the current disagreement over the proposed location of the Islamic center."  The pollsters offered three options, but also allowed them to suggest alternative options.

The third option was to build at the same location near ground zero, but make the facility an interfaith center.

No more than 30 percent of any faith group backed the option.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: 'Ground zero mosque' • 9/11 • Church and state • Faith Now • Houses of worship • Interfaith issues • Mosque • New York • Polls • United States

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    July 9, 2013 at 8:52 am |
  2. Adriana

    "Not only is it important to aewcoklndge the truly moderate Muslims, but we should see them an important asset in the fight against an oppressive religious ideology."Sorry but I disagree completely with this statement. I believe that the 'moderate' muslims, the ones who live peacefully amongst us are knowingly or unknowingly engaging in the Jihad. Their presence is meant to reassure us that not all Muslims are radicals,that in fact they're not much different from us. But they are different, very different, they follow the teachings of a man who was a monster; whose 'holy' books encourages mistreatment of unbelievers & whose purpose in life is to (re)establish Islam worldwide. And how well it works, the reassuring presence of so many moderate and harmless folk. But just imagine for a moment if the moderates were not living amongst us in their millions, if the only Muslims we knew of and interacted with were the terrorists, the radicals, the head lopping, whip wielding extremists. These people know that they'd be on their way in a heartbeat. We would not tolerate them; it is the very presence of the 'moderates' that forces us to appease the radicals, they use our tolerance for human rights to remove our liberty. These moderates are part & parcel of their infiltration. They can tsk tsk all they like but until they're marching in the streets en masse against the radicals in the mosques I won't accept their presence as reassuring.

    March 4, 2012 at 1:47 am |
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    November 12, 2010 at 10:38 am |
  4. Reality

    More on Islam and farting: (i.e. Sir Rushdie got it right)

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/1503931/Prayer-Recitation-of-Quran-and-Ablution-or-Bath?query2=islam%20fart

    "Farting is problematic in Islam. During prayer, a worshipper must not fart. Sahih Bukhari (1.4.137) writes that Allah will not accept a Muslim's prayer if he/she passes wind during the ritual.

    The exception occurs if the worshipper farts silently, or the fart does not smell. In such a case, he/she may continue with the prayer (ibid, 1.4.139).Sunaan Nasai (1.162) writes that if you fart during a prayer you must redo ablution. Sahih Bukhari (9.86.86) says that for a "farter" Allah will not accept his/her prayer until he/she performs another ablution."

    November 11, 2010 at 4:51 pm |
  5. Muneef

    http://www.emirates247.com/news/who-imported-the-kidn#appings-and-s#ex-crimes-2010-11-10-1.315777

    For entering the link remove #

    Being a small country suffering from the races diversity of the population and just as expatriates in the country how the country suffer as it seems morals and ethics were not taken in to account when imported or permited those to reside in the country...
    Another thing now got me wonder how the USA,UK and Europe are dealing with their diversity of races and are now mostly National Citizens or residents and maybe expatriates as well??

    So does it said that multinational countries would suffer a lot of morals to become descending low?
    Should we consider expatriate resources to be from countries adopting morals&ethics bearing in mind any possible integration could take place?

    November 11, 2010 at 2:15 pm |
  6. Iqbal khan

    Find who was realy behind......
    check check check please

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article26779.htm

    November 10, 2010 at 9:57 pm |
    • Reality

      From Sir Salman Rushdie's book "Satanic Verses", p. 376, paperback issue – :

      Mahound = Mohammed
      Gibreel = Gabriel

      "The faithful lived by lawlessness, but in those years Mahound – or should one say the Archangel Gibreel? – should one say Al-Lah? – became obsessed by law.

      Amid the palm-trees of the oasis Gibreel appeared to the Prophet and found himself spouting rules, rules, rules, until the faithful could scarcely bear the prospect of any more revelation, Salman said, rules about every da-mn thing, if a man farts let him turn his face to the wind, a rule about which hand to use for the purpose of cleaning one's behind.

      It was as if no aspect of human existence was to be left unregulated, free. The revelation – the recitation- told the faithful how much to eat, how deeply they should sleep, and which se-xual positions had received divine sanction, so that they leamed that so-domy and the missionary position were approved of by the archangel, whereas the forbidden postures included all those in which the female was on top.

      Gibreel further listed the permitted and forbidden subjects of conversation, and earmarked the parts of the body which could not be scratched no matter how unbearably they might itch.

      He vetoed the consumption of prawns, those bizarre other-worldly creatures which no member of the faithful had ever seen, and required animals to be killed slowly, by bleeding, so that by experiencing their deaths to the full they might arrive at an understanding of the meaning of their lives, for it is only at the moment of death that living creatures understand that life has been real, and not a sort of dream.

      And Gibreel the archangel specified the manner in which a man should be buried, and how his property should be divided, so that Salman the Persian got to wondering what manner of God this was that sounded so much like a businessman.

      This was when he had the idea that destroyed his faith, because he recalled that of course Mahound himself had been a businessman, and a damned successful one at that, a person to whom organization and rules came naturally, so
      how excessively convenient it was that he should have come up with such a very businesslike archangel, who handed down the management decisions of this highly corporate, if noncorporeal, God."

      November 11, 2010 at 1:10 am |
  7. Reality

    The quick and easy answer to the problems with Islam, Christianity and Judaism:

    Muslims should burn their copies of the koran for the 1400 year old con job that is pulled on them daily by the imams and ayatollahs. Christians should burn their copies of the NT for the 2000 year old con job that has been perpetuated on them by popes, bishops, priests, ministers and evangelicals. And Jews should burn their copies of the OT/Torah for the 6000 year old con job pulled on them by their past and current rabbis.

    But what should take the place of these dying embers? DO NO HARM!!!

    November 10, 2010 at 5:44 pm |
    • Muneef

      @Reality.

      Just few days ago Gaza Stripe has celebrated the graduation of "Thirteen Thousand" Youth age 10 years and above memorized the full Holy Quran by heart !
      I suppose now you will decide b-urn the whole lot of them as well with the Quranic books to make sure that Quran does not come back?? Wonder who is the terrorist here talks about b-urning humans but does not want to be reminded that God would b-urn disbelievers??

      November 10, 2010 at 7:25 pm |
    • Muneef

      Sorry a month ago it was find it here:
      http://english.sunnionline.us/News/Middle-East/2080-13,000-Palestinians-Memorize-Whole-Quran-in-Gaza-Summer-Camps

      November 10, 2010 at 7:43 pm |
    • Muneef

      Al-Asr
      In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
      By the time (1) verily man is in loss. (2) But not those who believe and work righteous deeds, and enjoin upon each other the truth and enjoin upon each other steadfastness. (3)

      November 10, 2010 at 9:28 pm |
  8. InfidelHere

    Look...Any objective person would question, if there something inherently violent about the faith of ISLAM for its terrorism to happen on a virtually daily basis. You know damn well that If Catholics, Buddhists, Hinduists, or any other religion were committing these types of atrocities on such a frequent basis – while invoking the name of religion – any objective person would likewise call them into question too. But is that the case? Why does it always seem to be in the name of ISLAM and not any other religion? Where are they getting these ideas from?

    Yes, many Muslim apologists will say that it is a few bad apples who don't represent the whole, but how do we put this to the test? What about those terrorists claiming the "moderate" or "not-muslim-enough" Muslims are NOT really Muslims and denounce their cowardice? How do we know which faction represents Islam most closely? Who is the true Muslim?

    Welll....the evidence – the only evidence – proves beyond any doubt that all "good" Muslims are terrorists because Muhammad, Islam's lone prophet and Allah's singular voice, was a ruthless and dedicated terrorist (and pedophile) himself!! I wish I could make this up, but READ Islam's history!!

    Islamic militants, radicals, extremeists, or whatever you want to call them are actually "good" Muslims, not bad ones. The jihadists like this guy haven't corrupted Islam, hijacked their religion, nor interpreted it incorrectly, and therefore they aren't radicals.

    Islam isn't a peaceful religion; it is a declaration of war against all mankind.

    While bad Muslims can be moderate, not-muslim-enough, and even peaceful, they have NO influence because the Koran tells good Muslims to KILL THEM!

    WAKE UP PEOPLE!!

    November 10, 2010 at 2:47 pm |
    • Frogist

      @Infidel Here: Your objectivity seems to have eluded your argument. There are many causes to violence in the Middle East. And many causes to terrorist activity all over the world. Putting it down to religion is oversimplifying an extremely complex issue. It might also occur to you that the the "bad" muslims as you like to call the progressives and moderates, have no power because people like you dismiss them out of hand because they call themselves muslim.
      Also please look up the Lord's Resistance Army and their atrocities in Africa and then, when you have decided who is the "good" Christian, we can talk.

      November 10, 2010 at 3:43 pm |
    • Muneef

      We consider Infidels to be the army of the Anti Christ..The corruption army. And those nothing sensible can you get from them that has good for humanity..

      November 10, 2010 at 7:12 pm |
    • Muneef

      The Holy Quran is all about giving simplified examples for the brains of that time addressed to the illiterate Nomadic Beduins of the dry Arabian desert to understand and they have managed to do understand it and achieved miraculously for centuries in creating a multinational Islamic communities.
      But fail now to understand if was able to penetrate the minds of illiterates and they were able to open it's codes! How and why the modern man failed dramatically to understand it and open it's codes? In such case our illiterates were more literates than today's modern literates?!   

      November 10, 2010 at 7:14 pm |
  9. John Toner

    Not only should no mosque be built there, no new church or synagogue should be built either. Anywhere. Ever. With the slow dawning but growing realization that all bible based religions are mythological nonsense, the last thing humankind needs is encouragement for further departure from reality posed by such monuments. The time is rapidly approaching when St Patrick’s Cathedral and the Mormon Tabernacle and every other Abrahamic religious icon will become nothing more than a quirky anomaly of the past for tomorrow’s tourists to gawk at, like the Parthenon and the Pyramids.

    November 10, 2010 at 8:21 am |
  10. Muneef

    Well guess matter solved then and think now no objection and pleased that you are not having that blinding hatred against your own Muslim Nation and that is cool and fine.
    Now just guess you have to insure that this mosque should not have those ignorant ones such as those said been broadcasting hatred and violence as did that in Britain "Britain's Islam Channel broke broadcasting regulations"... and then it will be fine and un-regretted I am sure and might contribute a lot for your nation... God Bless All.

    November 9, 2010 at 8:32 pm |
    • Reality

      Muneef,

      Your heart and soul reeks from the stench of the biggest con job ever pulled on humankind. Islamic tenets are nothing but the fairy tales of an hallucinating, contriving, warmongering, womanizing Arab named Mohammed. These tenets are the messages imams teach in mosques . These along with the messages about the other oozing stench-filled con jobs pulled and preached in churchs and temples by the likes of Paul et al and the scribes of Judaism, Hinduism and Buddhism.

      November 9, 2010 at 11:41 pm |
    • Muneef

      @Reality.
      You are jealous because you are lost in the dark and refuse to light a candle ....ha ha ha

      November 10, 2010 at 7:41 am |
    • Reality

      Muneef, Muneef, Muneef,

      We come to light up your dark age mentality with yet again the Five Steps to Deprogram 1400 Years of Islamic Mumbo Jumbo:

      Are you ready?

      Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.

      "1. Belief in Allah"

      aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to your cleansing neurons.

      "2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

      Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gi-b G-nab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "crea-tionist".

      "3. To believe in the existence of angels."

      A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/de-vils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hitt-ites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ug-ly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as f–airies and "tin–ker be-lls". Modern de-vils are classified as the de-mons of the de-mented.

      "4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

      Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

      Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the un-educated masses in line. Today we call them for-tune tellers.

      Prophecies are also invali-dated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

      "5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone."

      Mohammed spent thirty days "fasting" (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave attended to by his wives before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic vi-olence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallu-cinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.

      Walk these Five Steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from the blindness of Islam!!!!

      November 10, 2010 at 8:01 am |
    • Muneef

      @Reality.
      It is your skin that will b-urn and not mine for your writings...but surely I am confident that you fear the light because you will then see how much wrong your writings were....
      By the way what's wrong with being a woman-izer ? Isn't it better than being accused of Ho-mo or of molesting children... We love the beauty God created for us in women and nothing wrong or up normal with that and if God permits for more women for each man provided we can afford it we as Muslims will not hesitate marrying new wives every year..rather than go committing adu-ltery or chasing g-ays or mo-lest children??

      November 10, 2010 at 8:40 am |
    • Reality

      Muneef, Muneef, Muneef,

      So you and your allah will burn me. Typical Muslim terrorist koranic-driven comment!!

      November 10, 2010 at 2:21 pm |
    • Frogist

      @Reality and Muneef: Get a room already!

      November 10, 2010 at 3:20 pm |
    • Muneef

      So you and your allah will burn me. Typical Muslim terrorist koranic-driven comment!!

      @Reality.
      Just only now I understood why you call the Quran verses terrorist drive! It is clear now that Quran reminding mankind of their obligations and the consequence of their choices considered terrorist drive and if a Muslim giving you a piece of advice not to mess with God as well considered terrorist?
      If that is so then you have fooled me and I believed you that there might be terrorists but now I know it is nothing but an Islam phobia that you are suffering and not just being agnostic...
      Another did I say my God Or Allah would do that? It is our God yours and mine whether you like it or not God is the God of all creations...

      November 10, 2010 at 7:01 pm |
  11. Amalia Sheran Sharm

    What ever happened to the open market? These people paid for the property, thus they are allowed to use it. Anyone who has a problem with that is a socialist.

    November 9, 2010 at 7:06 pm |
  12. Peace2All

    While they may have the 'right' to build it there, that doesn't answer the real question of whether they 'should' build it there...??

    To, me, that is the biggest issue here.

    Peace...

    November 9, 2010 at 5:59 pm |
    • Americanbornmuslim

      Yes they should "build" it there. Do people even realize there has BEEN a full-fledge Mosque operating at that location? It was there before the towers and it's there after them. Those who have ears will hear. As Jesus said; "Don't worry so much about what goes into your mouth as to what comes out."

      November 9, 2010 at 6:27 pm |
    • Muneef

      @Peace2All.
      Allow me to answer that as might answer your issue here.
      If you think that the American Muslims had been Victimized since 911 for an accusation act of non American Muslims, in such a case the Mosque should be allowed to be build in the location area...!
      But if you think that American Muslims are no victims and are as well to be blamed for the 911 acts for being Muslims,in such a case then they area to be removed from that location area in order not to erupt the wounds??
      Think that should be put for internet voting and act bases final results and this is straight and fair enough!?

      November 9, 2010 at 6:36 pm |
    • Stephen R

      That "should" thing is just the exactly wrong direction to take in this ridiculously-long-running hype-show.

      They have the RIGHTS and FREEDOMS that make our country such a wonderful place to be rude and callous....ha ha ha.
      Your saying "should" is just you trying to impose an arbitrary social value upon their potential actions – seeking to curb them without giving them the option of curbing themselves.

      We are not stomping on them. They can build it since they own the property and can get the necessary permits (I suppose).
      They are not on "ground zero" either. They are pretty damn far away.
      They should have the choice of being nice or not in addition to having the legal right to build such a thing.
      New Yorkers have a little bit of a reputation for being callous, in part because of the sheer number of people, I would guess, so I fail to see why it's such a big deal in the first place....

      Is religion a problem or not? Yessir, it is a problem. But as we work to fix the problems caused by religion, we should try and remember that we still have to work on being tolerant, and to cast that first stone...ha ha ha.

      I am so sick of these articles over this thing. Rauf and company are just acting like major-sized trolls.
      Don't feed the trolls!!!

      November 9, 2010 at 6:42 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Americanbornmuslim

      You Said---

      "Yes they should "build" it there. Do people even realize there has BEEN a full-fledge Mosque operating at that location? It was there before the towers and it's there after them. Those who have ears will hear. As Jesus said; "Don't worry so much about what goes into your mouth as to what comes out."

      ME--- Yes, I for one, have and do realize that there 'has been' a mosque there pre-and-post 9-11. My question still stands as to whether or not in the short or long term this will end up being a good idea to 'build' on it, even more. And yes, I respect there right to do so.

      @Muneef

      Hi Muneef..!

      You Said---@Peace2All.
      Allow me to answer that as might answer your issue here.
      If you think that the American Muslims had been Victimized since 911 for an accusation act of non American Muslims, in such a case the Mosque should be allowed to be build in the location area...!
      But if you think that American Muslims are no victims and are as well to be blamed for the 911 acts for being Muslims,in such a case then they area to be removed from that location area in order not to erupt the wounds??
      Think that should be put for internet voting and act bases final results and this is straight and fair enough!?

      ME--- Muneef, I don't know that an internet vote will solve the issues involved, but I appreciate your thoughts.

      @Stephen R

      You Said-----"That "should" thing is just the exactly wrong direction to take in this ridiculously-long-running hype-show.
      They have the RIGHTS and FREEDOMS that make our country such a wonderful place to be rude and callous....ha ha ha.
      Your saying "should" is just you trying to impose an arbitrary social value upon their potential actions – seeking to curb them without giving them the option of curbing themselves."

      ME--– We are in agreement. I am a full believer in that they have all the 'rights' to do so. However, I am not trying to 'impose' anything on them. It was a speculative question, as to whether or not, in the short and long term whether or not it would be a 'good thing' or not. Maybe the answer is... It really doesn't matter, whether it is a good thing or not. Under the law, they have a right to build it. Period.

      You Said----

      "We are not stomping on them. They can build it since they own the property and can get the necessary permits (I suppose).
      They are not on "ground zero" either. They are pretty damn far away.
      They should have the choice of being nice or not in addition to having the legal right to build such a thing.
      New Yorkers have a little bit of a reputation for being callous, in part because of the sheer number of people, I would guess, so I fail to see why it's such a big deal in the first place....

      Is religion a problem or not? Yessir, it is a problem. But as we work to fix the problems caused by religion, we should try and remember that we still have to work on being tolerant."

      ME-– Again, I would say we are in agreement.

      Thanks for responding...

      Peace...

      November 9, 2010 at 7:09 pm |
    • Stephen R

      Peace2All – you left out "casting the first stone".
      Stoning, as a real activity, is an extremely brutal and deadly form of rejection by the body-politic. Not many forms of punishment are like that. Most tend to put the punishment at a distance, the better to commit vicious and heinous acts against our fellow humans in a form of corporate murder.
      But punching holes in the arguments of religious believers? Like playing whack-a-mole. A child could do it – and they often do. The questions kids can come up with....!
      Good luck with the peace thing. If you got kids, ask them a few questions you never thought to ask. You might be surprised. Kids can often see right through much of the adult nonsense we take for granted. So many forget what it was like.
      Peace.

      November 9, 2010 at 7:38 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Stephen R

      I do... and have asked those questions. You are right.

      Peace...

      November 9, 2010 at 7:47 pm |
    • Frogist

      @Peace2All: You feeling alright, man?
      Yes, I think they should still build it. Personally, I want it because I don't think the popular vote should override anyone's rights. And for them to move it now, would be like saying, "All right! I give up. The biased, fearful populace has won." And that is a dangerous precedent to set. I also think they should still build it because the need for it has not gone away. And I always thought they should build it because it should (and has) provoke an important discussion about religion and its boundaries, uses and dangers.

      November 10, 2010 at 3:08 pm |
  13. TheRationale

    If it's their right then it's their right. Sure, it's in bad taste, but then again no religious building is in good taste anyway, so what do you expect?

    November 9, 2010 at 5:43 pm |
  14. NM

    please check out http://www.islamicsolutions.com/world-day-of-god-2010/

    November 9, 2010 at 4:59 pm |
  15. Iqbal khan

    Folks don't be so hell bent and stuborn about site, Islam teaches tolerance, read about the life of prophet Muhammads (PBUH) and watch this ......

    November 9, 2010 at 4:19 pm |
    • Reality

      Islam's brand of tolerance:

      1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

      1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

      2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

      3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US Troops killed in action, 3,481 and 924 died in non-combat98,691 – 107,707 Iraqi civilians killed as of 11/9/2010, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and
      defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

      4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

      5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

      6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

      7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

      8. UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

      9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.

      10) – Afghanistan: US troops 1,116 killed in action, 902 killed in non-combat situations as of 08/10/2010. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror

      11) The killing of 13 citizen soldiers at Ft. Hood by a follower of the koran.

      12) 38 Russian citizens killed on March 29, 2010 by Muslim women suicide bombers.

      13) The May 28, 2010 attack on a Islamic religious minority in Pakistan, which have left 98 dead,

      14) Lockerbie is known internationally as the site where, on 21 December 1988, the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103 crashed as a result of a terrorist bomb. In the United Kingdom the event is referred to as the Lockerbie disaster, the Lockerbie bombing, or simply Lockerbie. Eleven townspeople were killed in Sherwood Crescent, where the plane's wings and fuel tanks plummeted in a fiery explosion, destroying several houses and leaving a huge crater, with debris causing damage to a number of buildings nearby. The 270 fatalities (259 on the plane, 11 in Lockerbie) were citizens of 21 nations.

      15) Followed by the daily suicide and/or roadside and/or mosque bombings every day in the terror world of Islam.

      16) Bombs sent from Yemen by followers of the koran which fortunately were discovered before the bombs were detonated.

      17) The killing of 58 Christians in a Catholic church in one of the latest acts of horror and terror in Iraq.

      November 9, 2010 at 4:58 pm |
    • Muneef

      @Iqbal Khan.
      Very interesting chic it is the heart of knowldge..Mind has to Challange the Quran words..
      Another interesting thing was the People of the Elephant which he mentioned and similarty of it when thinking of the Elephant Emblem and that what has happened to it from the sky??
      There is another one as well about Donkeys running from Lions and there is one name of the names of lions in Arabic that is some how as well works out same?? Do not know if you managed to understand what I am talking about?

      November 9, 2010 at 6:09 pm |
    • Muneef

      Intersting choice

      November 9, 2010 at 6:11 pm |
  16. For thought

    How many Christian churches are "close" to the site of the Oklahoma City bombing? That was attacked by Christian extremists.

    November 9, 2010 at 3:22 pm |
  17. Muneef

    Just do not understand why insist on any location close to an area that might not be welcomed for an obvious reason of being accused of destruction of it's surrounding area? Why insist on the location is what I do not understand? When can move to another place where the worshippers will not have to face hatred for being there or for the location being taken against the will of many? Wonder if this issue of the mosque location is another plot to have more hatred grow towards Islam and Muslims otherwise I do not see why insist at all...!??
    Unless it was meant to say that if was not allowed to be built there then the accusation of destruction is fixed on Islam and if was allowed to be built there means that Islam is not accused for the destruction of the towers? Other than that there is no reason to hold tight to location!?

    November 9, 2010 at 3:18 pm |
    • Frogist

      @Muneef: There is another reason. Maybe not the one the Imam and supporters of the center have fully considered. But I think a center near the WTC site can help promote dialogue about the limits and dangers of religion. It should open the dialogue to when is religion, any religion, overstepping its boundaries. What is its place and how far do we let religion rule our actions? By juxtaposing peaceful prayer by citizens vs violent religious intolerance, it should make us ask ourselves what is the real value and purpose and place of religion in the world.
      And that is why I hope this project is successful and stays at its location. We need that dialogue today more than ever.

      November 10, 2010 at 2:44 pm |
  18. ze megamind

    How many Christians where killed in a church in baghdad last week? 50 or 60? There are at least that much pages in the quran promoting this terror against this group of people. And you are really argueing about building a place which promotes these beliefs in the middle of New York?

    November 9, 2010 at 1:57 pm |
    • Frogist

      @ze megamind: Are you really assuming that all the muslims in NY want to kill christians like the violent extremists in the Middle East? I hope then you are advocating not building any more churches or synagogues or temples because of the violence perpetrated by people of those faiths.

      November 10, 2010 at 2:37 pm |
  19. Parker

    Honestly, I don't think the building of the Mosque, cultural center, etc etc, whatever it is they want to build, not a big deal, I would feel otherwise if it were ON ground zero, I think that would be a blatant slap in the face, but it's not. It's 2 blocks away! what are we gonna say, "you can't build within any space that the shadow of the towers used to occupy."?

    November 9, 2010 at 11:43 am |
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