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December 15th, 2010
12:30 PM ET

Hookers for Jesus

HLN's Joy Behar talks with former escort Annie Lobert, founder of Hookers for Jesus, a ministry which helps prostitutes.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Church • Jesus

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  1. Dawn

    Wow. I'm soooo glad I popped over to the religious section of CNN. The comments sections are so much more civil than in the regular news area of the site.

    January 13, 2011 at 6:27 pm |
  2. judy swafford

    be this right or wrong this woman feels she is making a difference and who are any of us to say she isn`t .. "judge not lest ye be judged" rock it lilmoma do what you feel is right in your heart and let God be your judge.. i wish you luck some people do not want help they just use up whoever they can and tho you try there are some who will never accept it ..

    January 1, 2011 at 6:42 pm |
  3. jim

    Now this is a religious cause I can support!!

    December 19, 2010 at 9:33 am |
  4. -.-

    Everyone commenting needs to stop bickering on about who is right or wrong about their own views of religion. Sure, many of us are Christian. Sure, this nation is founded upon Christian ideology despite its deterioration over the generations. But do you really have to stay on the same page all day, bickering back and forth as if youre life depended on it?

    GIVE IT A REST. God bless to all those who have God within their hearts. Happy holidays to those who dont.

    December 16, 2010 at 3:01 pm |
  5. Doc Vestibule

    "A wh0re should be judged by the same criteria as other professionals offering services for pay - such as dentists, lawyers, hairdressers, physicians, plumbers, etc.
    Is she professionally competent? Does she give good measure?
    Is she honest with her clients?
    It is possible that the percentage of honest and competent wh0res is higher than that of plumbers and much higher than that of lawyers. And enormously higher than that of professors."

    – Robert Heinlein "The Quotebooks of Lazarus Long"

    December 16, 2010 at 12:29 pm |
  6. Muneef

    The are humans and If had the edu-cations and the proper jobs they would have not became ho-okers since most have children to support...although such job brings up much of the abor-tions that being complained about and many children born father-less and may be mother-less and such as those who did not experience love of their parents,will not be able to give love to their com-munities. Men are involved in promoting this happening to women where women are brought from all over the world with knowledge or not in to this business.

    December 15, 2010 at 9:50 pm |
    • Reality

      Muslim males live with at least three ho-okers since the koran allows them to i.e. the four-part koranic harems.

      December 15, 2010 at 10:01 pm |
    • Bruce

      God keeps things simple. If everyone remained virgin until marriage it would be the most ideal conditions and this article would not be here. Each step taken away from the ideal creates too many trys at trying to fix things. Reason just needs one more reason to get worse, never better.

      December 15, 2010 at 10:46 pm |
    • Muneef

      @Reality.
      You call wives ho-okers? We call ho-okers those who have s-ex before legal marriage and not those when legally married.
      Guess you allow marriage of four maybe then you will have less ho-okers beside that you will not be out numbered or de-clined as a race..

      December 16, 2010 at 8:02 am |
    • Reality

      Having four "wives" is called pol-ygamy in the advanced Western cu-ltures. Having a wife and three ho-okers is called adul-tery in the advanced Western cu-ltures. Having four wives in the continued Dark Ages of koranic Islam simply solidifies the back-wardness and tr-ibal nature of said "religion".

      December 16, 2010 at 9:02 am |
    • Muneef

      This term was made not by any secular Gv. But was by the Church who even refused granting divorce to unhappy couple and made to live as life impresement with each other until King Henry made a move...

      December 16, 2010 at 10:08 am |
    • Frogist

      A ho-oker is a term Americans use for a prost!tute, not a woman who has se-x before marriage. Why people become prost!itutes... many reasons, but to classify them all as uneducated or unloved ignores examples like Dr Magnanti. Men are involved in prost!tution as customers but also as prost!tutes themselves. I say the ideal is not to remain a virgin before marriage for everyone.
      As for ho-okers in the Quran??? They're in the Bible. Heck Jesus had him one... at least.

      December 16, 2010 at 11:58 am |
    • Muneef

      Well I know that making love unmarried is different than those the term was used for above but what I meant that both contribute to abortions and unhappy born children...
      Men are not just customers but whole salers "G-angsters" Trafficking young males and females for the trade, and then you have the retailers such as "Clubs/Agencies" and then self proprietors such as "Pimps".

      December 17, 2010 at 12:38 pm |
    • Frogist

      @Muneef: I think you might really have to provide some stats that prost!tutes have the majority of abortions or "unhappy born children". Also again I must point out that not all se-x workers are part of the slave trade. Some women and men work in it happily and without violent advantageous pimps. The image of the se-x trade varies throughout history and culture. And not all of them are as negative as our modern view might be.

      December 17, 2010 at 2:53 pm |
    • Muneef

      Think we are talking while having different worlds in mind...so thanks and bye since not being my favorite subject to talk about we all had freedom of choice and each has chosen his or her path and bare the consequences and results there of.

      December 17, 2010 at 7:06 pm |
  7. Peace2All

    @Bruce

    Hi Bruce...

    From what I have read from you and -Frogist, I am in agreement with -Frogist here. To play the 'geographical' God card here (Narrowing it to the USA–where 80% or more claim to be 'Christians'), is not a very apt response to -Frogist's post. She was talking about the World, and you 'narrowed the scope to US.' If you were to poll people in India, or Malaysia, etc... you would definitely not get the ....Jesus is the way.. answer there.

    So, it really comes down, I believe to the person, and which religion/belief system may make sense to them. Not a 'one-size fits all' Christianity solution that is pushed on everyone.

    Just my thoughts on your back and forth with -Frogist.

    Peace...

    December 15, 2010 at 6:57 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      @Peace2All

      Christianity = one size fits all if one ignores the 2000+ variations, but then maybe the WBC does fit all christians!

      December 15, 2010 at 7:12 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @HotAirAce

      Agreed. And... I was speaking in general terms to -Bruce, as I am not sure of which particular denomination he believes in. So, pretty-much any mention or playing of the Jesus card, and especially using the U.S., is a pretty safe bet that it is some form of Christianity, and is going to fall under one of those many denominations of Christianity( 2,000 + above which you mentioned).

      As for your comment about the WBC-I think we (you and I) would 'not' be shocked at just how many people really are like them(WBC)... and.. consider themselves Christians...!

      Peace brother...

      December 15, 2010 at 7:23 pm |
    • Bruce

      P2A,

      Most of the commets I see are based upon the people who "claim to be Christian" and their lives are anything but Christian. In the business world I am a salesman. I have heard of many who "claim to be a salesman" but they lie to make a sale. A true saleman can make a sale without lying. I have been successful with that approach and I feel good about myself that I have done it that way. You know, I could easily point my finger at a person who claims to be a salesman and I could justify lying to make a sale or justify getting out of sales because all salesmen lie based upon a few who claim to be a salesman. It is my opinion that a lyer is not a salesman. Anybody can make a sale by providing the wrong information. With that same logic and reasoning I would encourage you to view Christianity the same way. First, try to live it and you will see it a little differently. You are looking from the outside in. Second, try to find the true Christian. They are few and far between. It is not 80%. It is closer to maybe 5%. I am a Christian and I can see the hypocracy everywhere in and out of the church. Maybe more than you since I am in the trenches with them. When you focus on the hypocrite and associate him or her to Christianity because they "claim to be a Christian" and they are not, you have done yourself and all true Christians a disservice. Christians are not hypocrites. Sinners who claim to be Christian are the hypocrites, not Christians. Hope I said it enough different ways for you to reason it out.

      December 15, 2010 at 8:04 pm |
    • Bruce

      P2A,

      To answer you comment a little better I would say that simple is more. If I tried to say that all other religions had similar but differnet ways to solve life's problems I would be gray, neutral and bland, so to speak. Just like an atheist has to focus totally on what they beleive, I have to do the same. Anything we believe in religion or politics is a passion and we should be passionate about what we believe to be happy. I remain focused on Jesus Christ and what He has done for me. He did what He did and can be as personal as if it was only me He loved. You cannot see Him, but I can. Unfortunately, He would have to reveal Himself to you in order to know what I am talking about. Otherwise, you and many other atheist or non-believers will continue to view things on a common level. You will only see what you see and that is the way it was intended to be.

      December 15, 2010 at 8:28 pm |
    • civiloutside

      Bruce, it looks an awful lot like you're saying that you and all "real" Christians do not sin. Isn't that actually a direct contradiction of Christian teachings (and arrogant as well)?

      December 15, 2010 at 9:19 pm |
    • Bruce

      civiloutside,

      Good point. Success is a person who fails and keeps getting up. Failure is the person who fails and never gets back up. There is something within a successful person that will not let him or her stay down even though many only see their failures. The Christian life is not me having the same drive as a successful person to try to do good and see if I get to heaven. It is a similar drive but never was there until it was created by Jesus Christ in me. I will still fail and look like the hypocrite to some but the only difference will be that I continue to get up. I will never be able to prove it to anyone but God and me and it is not that I need to prove anything to anyone, either. My dad is 84 and I can see that there is something inside him that continues to produce the character God has. Many times it is overshadowed by who he is, however, it is something that is very similar that I have and that is what the "birds of a feather" see. I know it comes across arrogant, but, you are only seeing my arrangement of words, not my voice or who I am.

      December 15, 2010 at 9:45 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Bruce

      Hi Bruce...

      You Said: @P2A- "You cannot see Him, (Jesus Christ) but I can."

      Ya' see Bruce... I am an agnostic, so I don't claim to *absolutely know* -the- TRUTH, which you seem to be claiming as fact...yes...?

      I guess my questions to you would be... How specifically do you 'see' Him...? And, how do you know *for sure–undeniably* that what you are perceiving or feeling/seeing/hearing or whatever... isn't just your feelings that you have attached a 'label' to your experiences/feelings...and called it 'Jesus Christ.'.

      Because, you can say all you want that you know, but the *reality* is... you 'don't really know... you 'believe'... but that is a lot different from *absolute knowing.* And, with that said, of course, I admit... I can't disprove that what you 'believe' isn't absolute fact either.

      Like you said above, you focus on what you 'believe' but, remember beliefs 'do not' necessarily = FACTS in this context.

      So, I guess we are 'both' 'agnostics'... yes...?

      Peace...

      Unfortunately, He would have to reveal Himself to you in order to know what I am talking about. Otherwise, you and many other atheist or non-believers will continue to view things on a common level. You will only see what you see and that is the way it was intended to be.

      December 16, 2010 at 1:41 am |
    • Frogist

      @Bruce:
      "To answer you comment a little better I would say that simple is more. If I tried to say that all other religions had similar but differnet ways to solve life's problems I would be gray, neutral and bland, so to speak."
      Well not to go off on a tangent, but I think that is the unfortunate reason we have so much distress and religious violence. Some people cannot recognize that another person's life view is working for him/her without judging it wrong simply for the fact that it is different. So long as it is not hurting others, shouldn't we just recognize that their path is just as valid?

      December 16, 2010 at 10:47 am |
  8. Reality

    Maybe guys have found a less expensive way for relieving their se-xual tensions so call girls have turned to Jesus and "non-profits" for help?

    December 15, 2010 at 5:25 pm |
    • Bruce

      Reality,

      So, the economical down turn has cause men to find other means of release thus affecting the call girl business and turning them to Jesus. Good reasoning, not so reasonable. Many people who have fallen on hard times do sometimes turn to Jesus, but, when the good times return they drop Him like a hot potato. It is those so-called Christians many of you point at and justify everything you want to do and say against Jesus.

      December 15, 2010 at 6:08 pm |
    • Reality

      Might want to check "hand ji-ving" along with the over 500,000 free po-rn sites which will still be there in good and bad times for the economy.

      December 15, 2010 at 9:57 pm |
    • Bruce

      Reality,

      Why would I do that?

      December 15, 2010 at 10:41 pm |
    • Reality

      "Why would I do that?" Explore the wonderful world of human anatomy and biology would be a start.

      December 15, 2010 at 11:15 pm |
    • Frogist

      @Reality: Gives new meaning to the term "five-fingered discount".

      December 16, 2010 at 10:37 am |
    • Reality

      And Frogist made my day with that comment!!! Most excellent!!

      December 16, 2010 at 1:13 pm |
    • Frogist

      @Reality: Glad to have made your day! I do what I can. ๐Ÿ˜‰

      December 17, 2010 at 2:45 pm |
  9. Keith

    People tend to overlook the part where Jesus told the woman "to go and sin no more." There is no salvation without repentance.

    December 15, 2010 at 4:52 pm |
    • Bruce

      Most people do not realize that. A forgiven and changed life is expressed in how the person walks after they have met the Master.

      December 15, 2010 at 5:06 pm |
    • Jay

      You're absolutely right. Jesus did NOT teach tolerance. The bible says he HATED WHAT WAS BAD.

      December 15, 2010 at 8:24 pm |
    • Bruce

      You are close, Keith. The Bible actually says, "God is a just judge, And God is angry with the wicked every day." Psalms 7:11

      You are right about Jesus never teaching tolerance, though. It would go against His nature and His character. Being God Himself, He would be perfect. His purpose on earth was not to try to talk people into being good or better. He came to become what God the Father needed in order to accept sinful men who could not become acceptable in God's sight. So, without Christ being applied to your life you cannot go to heaven and you cannot believe hell out of existance.

      December 15, 2010 at 8:37 pm |
  10. Jay

    Why would God protect those who willfully disobey his laws?

    "He that practices fornication is sinning against his own body" 1 Corinthians 6:18

    Do what you want, believe what you want. But God wont help people who dont listen to him. Frankly, would you?

    December 15, 2010 at 3:44 pm |
    • Bruce

      Jay,

      Some of the attributes of God are Grace, Love, Mercy, Hate, Judgement and Condemnation to name only a few. The thing is that none of them can contradict the other without God still being God. With Christ, God has accomplished that and the one's who need Grace, Love and Mercy are also the ones working the streets. Apparently, with this ministry in place and popular that means that many out there do not want to stay in that line of work.

      December 15, 2010 at 3:50 pm |
  11. Jebus Christ

    Outlawing prost!tution is just another example of religion rearing its ugly illogical head and forcing unjustified belief on others through politics. And you wonder why some atheists have a problem with religion.

    December 15, 2010 at 3:12 pm |
    • Bruce

      JC,

      Your line of reasoning is completely distorted with your lack of knowledge of women. Not all women want to sell their bodies to men. In fact, if we used statistics using all women the percentage of those desiring to sell their bodies for money and liking it wouldn't be measurable. Your comment simply uncovers your lack of understanding rather than any knowledge of this subject.

      December 15, 2010 at 4:15 pm |
    • Frogist

      @Bruce: I don't understand your comment. What does how many women who want to be a se-x worker have to do with legality?

      December 15, 2010 at 4:52 pm |
    • Bruce

      Frogist,

      Nothing JC said made sense. He began with "outlawing" (which it already is but not because of religion), went to "illogical" reasoning (nothing illogical about protecting a woman), then "forcing unjustified belief on others" (many laws would fall in this same unjustificational reasoning) and "through politics" (I think that is how America works – through the majority). His conclusion is a classic as to why atheist have a problem with religion. And atheist want tolerance! All it comes down to is that atheist want nothing hindering them from fulfilling their own desires of their flesh.

      December 15, 2010 at 5:03 pm |
    • Jebus Christ

      Again, outlawing prost!tution is just an example of religious people forcing their morals upon others through law.

      Now tell me, where did I imply that women wanted to be prost!tutes? If a woman wants to be a prost!tute, I have no moral problem with that. We are animals who have evolved to be the way we are. Se-x is natural. You are not special.

      For your second comment: I still believe that without religion hating Se-x, there is no reason to outlaw prost!tution, just as there would be no reason to ban liquor sales on Sunday. It is illegal because it is a sin and because of Christians being the majority. "Illogical" was used because following morals given by a religion, and making them into law, is illogical. If you donโ€™t think it is illogical, then prove to me that your god exists. Otherwise, find a real world, logical reason to make laws. I used unjustified when describing your beliefs because there is no justification for your beliefs aside from "the bible says so" or "god says so".

      I get annoyed with religion only because I am forced to do what the illogical majority votes on, even though it is sometimes unjustified.

      December 15, 2010 at 5:19 pm |
    • Bruce

      JC,

      You will never understand because morals are the order of character priorities. I don't know what things you hold high in your moral order but I'm sure it looks very plaid.

      Evolution is not a good argument. Eveyone's DNA makes them different and think different, too. Some want to sell themselves and others may want to pierce themselves, who knows? Bottom line, I would rather consider myself above animals and live on a different moral plain.

      BTW, religion does not hate s-ex. Inappropriate use of it is where we draw the line for ourselves. We also have the right to use our freedom to politic against it. Apparently, there are more who have the same morals than don't.

      If it was logical to the majority of Americans you bet you would have it your way and there would be 50% off sales all the time.

      December 15, 2010 at 5:44 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Bruce

      You Said: "JC, –" Not all women want to sell their bodies to men. In fact, if we used statistics using all women the percentage of those desiring to sell their bodies for money and liking it wouldn't be measurable."

      My following comment below, is certainly not saying it is o.k for those people who are forced into slavery or the s-e-x trade, and are being 'controlled' and/or abused by someone illegally against their will.

      With that disclaimer:

      That may be true, (your comment above), however, we could poll all Americans, about their 'desire' to work where they want to work and their relative enjoyment/happiness or lack-thereof of said job or profession, whatever it may be. That really has no bearing on anything. People work at jobs quite often...maybe more often than not, and do things in a day that they really would rather not be doing. But, it pays their bills, and they are doing whatever it takes to put food on the table. Quite often, a lot or most people would rather be 'doing' something else, as they really don't enjoy their work...at all. Some, actually hate it. Again, they are doing whatever it is they can do to survive.

      So, in my opinion, your assertion doesn't hold water.

      Peace...

      December 15, 2010 at 7:16 pm |
    • Bruce

      P2A,

      That same logic and reasoning will come to euthenizing older people when they become a burden to the healthy. It will not be based upon the older people deciding to live because they cannot produce what healthy people can and the healthy people will over ride the older based upon your line of logic. By then it will seem logical to dispose of older people.

      December 15, 2010 at 7:37 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Bruce

      Hi Bruce...

      You Said: "@P2A-That same logic and reasoning will come to euthenizing older people when they become a burden to the healthy. It will not be based upon the older people deciding to live because they cannot produce what healthy people can and the healthy people will over ride the older based upon your line of logic. By then it will seem logical to dispose of older people."

      What...? ๐Ÿ˜ฏ With all due respect I have 'no' idea how you got where I was commenting on your assertion of women prot-itutes and their relative job dissatisfaction, to now, your responding comment to mine of somehow this is the same as or = to "Euthanizing older people"

      If you wouldn't mind trying to show the symmetry and justification of your "Euthanization of the Elderly" to my comment and you see them as the same, I would greatly appreciate it... as now, I am sincerely curious. Maybe I missed something along the way...?

      Thanks...

      Peace...

      December 15, 2010 at 7:53 pm |
    • Bruce

      P2A,

      It was your reasoning. You used a regular job that a person was miserable in to compare with women wanting out of selling their body. That didn't fit. When a woman wants out of that job it would be affecting her morals more than she is just scared, tired of the same old thing, wants benefits, wants to unionize, needs a change or similar. My boss may be scr-ewing me but it is not the same. It is more related to morals than compared to how I feel about what I do for a living. There is a difference.

      December 15, 2010 at 8:18 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Bruce

      Hi Bruce... Thanks for taking time to respond, as I was curious as to your 'opinions' that you wrote and how you got there.

      You Said: "You used a regular job that a person was miserable in to compare with women wanting out of selling their body."

      Of course it can be and often is the same...! Any person that wants out of their job for whatever reasons. Some may consider their reasons moral or not. If they are miserable they are miserable... what is the difference...? A 'women selling her body' doesn't all of a sudden by some decree fall into a totally separate category. What you said is without question, debatable. Some, women who may want out from selling their bodies...it may be to 'them' for moral reasons, and for some, it may 'not' be. They could be just tired of it and want to move on to something else. I have seen doc-umentaries on women who sell their bodies, and they have confirmed my assertion. Some, ... a lot, 'don't' see what they are doing as some truly 'bad' 'immoral' thing.

      You Said: " My boss may be scr-ewing me but it is not the same. It is more related to morals than compared to how I feel about what I do for a living. There is a difference."

      No... It 'may' or 'may not' be depending on how the person in question perceives it. A person may see that their 'boss is screwing' them, and see it as..." I want out of this job, because... It is absolutely 'immoral' as to what my boss is doing to me." And... some may not.

      So, you see I am taking issue with what seems to be, now that I think I am understanding you, with your apparent rigid 'moral absolutes.' You are basically claiming your version of right and wrong for everyone, and that everyone would see it and perceive it and agree with it the way...you do.

      Peace...

      December 15, 2010 at 8:38 pm |
    • Bruce

      P2A,

      The other side of your coin, if it was ok for those who want to do that kind of thing regardless, you have those who would be their johns that would be effected, too. The numbers are narrowing by individuals, however, the greater good is to raise the standard so the ones who will do it anyway will be fewer. We will not get close on this one.

      December 15, 2010 at 9:02 pm |
    • MadPanda

      "BTW, religion does not hate s-ex. Inappropriate use of it is where we draw the line for ourselves."

      Then draw it for yourselves and dont draw it for people who dont believe as you do. The only reason you call it inappropriate to begin with is because you are listening to a god that there is no reason to believe in. I would not be annoyed with religion if you would stick to drawing the line for yourself and not for me. Understand?

      December 16, 2010 at 12:28 am |
    • MadPanda

      MadPanda=Jebus

      December 16, 2010 at 12:30 am |
    • Peace2All

      @Bruce

      Hi Bruce...

      You Said: "@P2A.....The other side of your coin, if it was ok for those who want to do that kind of thing regardless, you have those who would be their johns that would be effected, too. The numbers are narrowing by individuals, however, the greater good is to raise the standard so the ones who will do it anyway will be fewer. We will not get close on this one."

      Say What...? Again...??????

      So, just to be clear.... You 'totally' side-stepped and deflected my challenge to your logic, and... your attempt to make assertions of some kind of moral absolutism for everyone. Every time I make a challenge to your assertions, you go off on another tangent, that quite frankly seems to have no bearing on reality or the truth of what is going on. (Not trying to be offensive here, but just calling it like I see it).

      When you said..."We will not get close on this one." .... You 'might' want to take a look at your reasoning and logic, as 'others' have also challenged you here and on other articles, from what I've seen. Or...maybe, it is just 'us' not getting your 'higher truth'...? I am certainly open to that.

      Anyways, -Bruce, I do appreciate your taking time having a discussion with me. I guess we will have to agree to disagree here...?

      Peace...

      December 16, 2010 at 1:16 am |
  12. GSA

    Pu$$y will always sell.

    December 15, 2010 at 3:03 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @GSA

      My 'Sikh' friend... What are you talking about... ? LOL ๐Ÿ™‚

      Peace...

      December 15, 2010 at 7:00 pm |
  13. Frogist

    While there are many stories of the se-x trade like Annie Lobert's, there are also stories like Dr Brooke Magnanti's of a high class call girl who made tons of money and loved her job. The associations with se-x workers and violence and drugs is one that can be alleviated by truly examining the correlation between them and trying to find solutions or preventions. This type of profession is not going anywhere. They don't call it "the world's oldest profession" for nothing. And as Dr Magnati's example proves, it could be a worthwhile, safe, and enjoyable path.

    As for Jesus, well you seek whatever will pull you out of your despair. if it brings people out of dangerous situations, well that's great. But it really Jesus has not eliminated prost!tution so far, has he? So let's work to make it a safer profession until there is a better solution.

    December 15, 2010 at 1:31 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Totally agree! The various mythological beings have not done anything to keep these workers safe, so it would be good to legalize and regulate the s3x trade just like any other business.

      December 15, 2010 at 1:59 pm |
    • jeff

      Dang! I just need to tell the crack who-res down under the bridge to be of good cheer and everything can be rosy for them! If they aren't safe and enjoying their work, they just need to change their atti-tude and feel better about themselves!

      December 15, 2010 at 3:13 pm |
    • Bruce

      Frogist,

      Pathetic reasoning as usual. I do not care for the name of this ministry but if it is targeting those who want out of this poor choice of a way to make a living I would encourage it. If you rated all the people who have been recognized for helping people get out of their delima, Christ would be No. 1 hands down. Why can't you give credit where credit is due. Even if Jesus was a make believe god like you want to propagate here then he is the best thing going for the down and outers. You just don't want Him to get the credit due. That is ENVY at its lowest!

      December 15, 2010 at 3:43 pm |
    • Frogist

      @Bruce: How about you give some credit where credit is due. Did I not say: "As for Jesus, well you seek whatever will pull you out of your despair. if it brings people out of dangerous situations, well that's great." You won't get more than that from me despite your vitriol. Your god is on par with every other god the universe has coughed up. Hindus and buddhists and sikhs and muslims and pagans and greeks and romans and zulus and aborigines all had their gods who gave them just as much hope... or more since some of them are much older than your Jesus. Christ would be No.1 hands down? Sorry. People like you who speak so arrogantly about their god need to be reminded of their place in history.

      December 15, 2010 at 5:08 pm |
    • Bruce

      Frogist,

      Can you name any gods that have received more attributed praise for their help than Jesus? In the USA. Watch football sometime. The many testimonies out there related to cancer, divorce, loss of job, bankruptcy, disaster and such have all received a praise toward the true God. Every other god comes in a poor 2nd or last. I am just stating the facts here.

      December 15, 2010 at 5:19 pm |
    • Frogist

      @Bruce: So I can only choose a god in the USA that is praised by football players when they make a touchdown or a superst!tious Catholic when they sell their house? Well that's some narrowly defined terms. We're just going to ignore the billions of muslims, hindus and various other religious-minded people on the planet who are praising their gods right now for exactly the same reasons? Can you not see how your short-sightedness has lead to an unfortunate and arrogant display?

      December 15, 2010 at 5:46 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Bruce

      Hi Bruce...

      From what I have read from you and -Frogist, I am in agreement with -Frogist here. To play the 'geographical' God card here (Narrowing it to the USAโ€“where 80% or more claim to be 'Christians'), is not a very apt response to -Frogist's post. She was talking about the World, and you 'narrowed the scope to US.' If you were to poll people in India, or Malaysia, etc... you would definitely not get the ....Jesus is the way.. answer there.

      So, it really comes down, I believe to the person, and which religion/belief system may make sense to them. Not a 'one-size fits all' Christianity solution that is pushed on everyone.

      Just my thoughts on your back and forth with -Frogist.

      Peace...

      December 15, 2010 at 6:58 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Bruce

      You didn't actually use 'Football' as an example as somehow validating your arguments on your assertions of Jesus...did you...? Wow..!

      And, yes.. I guess I have seen people 'cursing' God/Jesus as well, for their–cancer, loss of job, bankruptcy, and all kinds of horrors and disasters.

      Peace...

      December 16, 2010 at 2:50 am |
    • David Johnson

      @Bruce

      You live in a nation that is ~85% Christian. If you lived in Iran, you would hear people praising Allah.

      What god you praise, is largely a matter of what religion your parents were, and where you grew up.

      No child is born a Christian, or a Muslim, or a Hindu etc. Parents program the silly into them, starting at birth. Society stamps them with its values. If you live in the U.S. you have many Christian values, whether you are a believer or not. If you live in Iran, you have Muslim values.

      Tell me Bruce, what proof do you have that there is a god?

      Love and Prayers!

      December 16, 2010 at 7:54 am |
    • GrammarGnatsie

      Bruce, I must say, first and foremost: how, in all realms of logic, you nail "propogate" on the head but mangle "dilemma" is one juicy mystery. We're talking Hardy Boys caliber.

      Now then... While passion is something I respect, insulting another for not praising your deity for good things is certainly irritating. I cannot tell you God and Jesus don't exist, nor can I tell an Atheist s/he is not wasting time. However, some tact in your disagreement would speak volumes of quality character.

      Also, "ENVY at it's lowest" was misused, as I read it. I believe you meant an excess of envy. Please don't read this in a demeaning tone, it feels more like "sorry, borderline OCD, but this isn't rocket surgery". (I know, I know, but "rocket surgery" makes me chuckle.)

      December 16, 2010 at 7:43 pm |
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