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December 21st, 2010
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'Hallelujah Chorus' not heavenly for California mall

Editor's Note: Read more about the mall evacuation from CNN affiliate KXTV.

Two months after a California mall was closed following a devastating fire, authorities had to close it again Monday night after Christmas singers clogged the shopping center.

"The enthusiasm for the Halleluiah event tonight was far greater than anticipated by organizers," said a statement from the Westfield Galleria at Roseville. "Out of an abundance of caution, the center was evacuated. We apologize for this inconvenience."

The Sacramento Choral Society was holding what police called a "well-publicized" event to sing the "Hallelujah Chorus" in the mall's food court, scheduled for 7:30 p.m.

Read more about the flash mob chorus that shut down a mall with a Christmas tune sing-a-long.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: California • Christianity • Christmas • Holidays • United States

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  1. pastor lanka ravikanth

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    December 6, 2012 at 12:55 am |
  2. kbc

    cool praise be to Jesus!

    December 25, 2010 at 4:32 pm |
  3. Grondahl

    I could understand the typical atheistic furor if we were talking about people joining up to sing Silent Night or The First Noel, but seriously, this is the Good Stuff, kiddies. I'd rather hear Messiah any day over Here Comes Santa Claus or Away in a Manger.

    The Devil has some great music, but the Religious Nuts get it right every now and again.

    December 23, 2010 at 5:58 pm |
  4. speedster

    @REALITY...

    first you need to understand that Catholic though they said its Christian is far different to Christian (followers of Jesus Christ)

    your argument about the resurrection using the above scholars quotation to prove that these people were having a hard time to accept the bodily resurrection.

    witnesses are very important to prove that the issue being talked about is real.

    if you look at the bible as a simple historical books you will read there by yourselves according to the historians matthew, and luke and john..

    the detailed account and the historical practice of the roman guard (consider to take a look at it from other resources.) WITNESSES many of them testified the veracity of the event. because they witnessed Him...

    that's alone in the bible.

    December 22, 2010 at 10:01 pm |
    • Reality

      speedster,

      P, M, M, L, and J were not eyewitnesses to the simple, preacher man's life (i.e.Jesus' life).

      There is not a lot of information on the four authors of the Gospels. What little there is, is discussed by Father Ray Brown in his book, An Introduction to the New Testament. Said book is probably one of the best reference books available and has both the imprimatur and nil obstat from the RCC.

      Doubleday, New York, 1996, p. 172,(with regard to Matthew's Gospel)

      Date: 80-90 AD,give or take a decade

      "Author by traditional (2nd century) attribution. Matthew a tax collector among the Twelve, wrote either the Gospel or a collection of the Lord's sayings in Aramaic. Some who reject this picture allow that something written by Matthew may have made its way into the present Gospel.

      Author detectable from contents: A Greek-speaker, who knew Aramaic or Hebrew or both and was not an eyewitness of Jesus' ministry, drew on Mark and a collection of sayings of the Lord (Q) as well as on other available traditions oral or written. Probably a Jewish Christian.

      Locale Involved: Probably the Antioch region

      Unity and Integrity: No major reason to think of more than one author or sizable additions to what he wrote."

      An added note: (not from Brown's book) A synopsis of Christianity as we know it today:

      Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan se-cts.

      The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hit-ti-tes, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.
      earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

      For added "pizz-azz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "fil-icider".

      Current RCC problems:

      Pedo-ph-iliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

      Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

      Current problems:

      Adu-lterous preachers, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

      December 23, 2010 at 12:21 am |
    • Heinz

      Followers of our LORD in Cuba are repressed and peseecutrd. The Church has been desimated in these last 50 years under the brutal castro communist regime. My mother suffered a repudiation act (in essence a trial meant to coherce and humiliate you) at her place of work for wearing a crucifix. They communist party head at the job site indicated the act of wearing a crucifix was anti-revolutionary and they tried to force her to remove it. She did not .This is just one example of how the castro regime operates againts Cristians at the lowest levels of government power. For many years students who were active in the Church were prohibited from attending college because they were deemed anti-revolutionary . This constant pressure on Cristians has led to a society with no moral direction and a lack of a structured belief system in our Lord. Many have turned to Santeria, and other African rite religions out of sheer ignorance since the regime in many ways promoted this transition to beliefs in Santeria as they have mined the religion with government informants .in effect officially sanctioned Santeria leaders work for the government and often agree with the dictatorship. It's just another way to control and influence the population just like they do in China with their government run catholic church .May Jesus bless the Cuban people and we ask that he have mercy on them and liberate them from the communist dictatorship

      November 8, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
  5. Tom

    Has anyone considered that this may have been a small earthquake or tremor? it was in california after all!

    December 22, 2010 at 9:27 pm |
  6. inghands10

    some hope for a friend

    http://www.turningleaf.vpweb.com

    December 22, 2010 at 10:22 am |
  7. NoCalCal

    The October fire at this mall caused $55mm in damage, destroyed 1/3 of the 1 million square foot complex and was closed for almost three weeks... Needless to say the financial impact to the region was significant and further amplified the regions 12 +/-% unemployment. As a resident of the community I was relieved to see Westfield was able to reopen 70% of the mall in time for "Black Friday". So you can all debate your stance on religion and where it fits in the public domain but I think I can speak for the majority of those who live in this region and say "Halleluiah"... Real loud now HELLELUIAH! The mall is open and well supported by the community...

    December 22, 2010 at 12:51 am |
  8. PAGANGRL69

    I don't mind decorations and santa's reindeer's etc. I just don't enjoy Religious content such as Religious music or shrine's with religious monotone's to it that is all...Not in public places...In your yard home that's your personal poperty business your domain cool so be it...But in the mall shopping I really don't care for to have to listen to or see it but I know...I don't live at the mall so I tolerate it patiently for the time being...
    Blessed Be...
    Merry Winter Solstice!!!

    December 21, 2010 at 8:17 pm |
  9. Amadea

    Jews celebrate Channakah without much fanfare from the non-Jewish community. Muslims celebrate Ramadan for an entire month, again without much protest from the peanut gallery. Hindus celebrate Diwali. But Christians celebrating Christmas? Tut tut ... how very awful for the non-believers to have to be witness to something sacred. GET OVER IT, PAGANS. Either refuse the Christmas holidays your place of business (school) gives you along with the believers, or SHUT UP about it. Listen, if you think hearing a 5 minute rendition of the Hallelujah chorus strains the ears, wait until a mosque opens near you, with the muezzin calling the 'faithful' to prayer over loud speakers five times a day.

    December 21, 2010 at 8:16 pm |
    • PAGANGRL69

      Doesn't sound like you have a good time where you live...You must live near a Mosque...I know I can tolerate a lil' music cause I do expect it during the Winter season...I just don't like the Religious content in some songs not all songs about X-mas are bad but some are annoying...But I'm a patient person and I can tolerate what is different from my personal life...Too each is of his own...
      Merry Winter Solstice...

      December 21, 2010 at 8:26 pm |
  10. Gary

    Even though I am agnostic I really enjoy the Christmas season. I love the carols decorations including the trees,lights,Santa's,reindeer and winter wonderland ect. Christmas dosnt have to be religious. Its a time when all humans can get together party see family ect. I also think Christmas is a part of American culture...

    December 21, 2010 at 7:58 pm |
  11. GSA

    @PAGANGRL69 – I agree, keep it personal and preferrably at home. I have enough annoyances with the local church sending ppl to my house and asking if I had found Jesus yet.
    My Grandma offered them some books on Sikhism to read and she would read there material in return. Just an open, honest exchange of ideas and info. They flat-out refused and she tore them a new one for not following there own beliefs and annoying others early on the weekend. After a bit of embarrassment they seemed to be ready to say something and then my Grandfather came to the door, a rather large Sikh man with a long black beard and booming voice who's been hardened by years in the Indiam army. They took one look at his Kirpan at his side and left, I guess the sword is mightier than the pen in this case, hehe, it was priceless to see.

    December 21, 2010 at 4:54 pm |
    • PAGANGRL69

      Ya- the door knocking is really annoying to say the least...I usually am polite and tell anyone that I'am not interested...I have no religious preference- have a nice day...Thank You!...Most the time this is all I need to say-however if they try to ask questions or be pushy...- I just tell them I'am a Witch!!!...They never come back...lolololololol...This is Good- works for the both of us in return no one is wasting anyone's time...Especially Me (smile)

      December 21, 2010 at 5:13 pm |
  12. PAGANGRL69

    People go to the Mall to shop...Not to hear about religious overtones...If they want to hear this crap then they can play x-mas songs at home or in their car on the way to the Mall...Why should one be exposed to something they may or may not impose into their everyday lives...Keep Religious conatations out of public places...This is for one's personal spiritual business not for public not all need to know one's Religious preferences...

    December 21, 2010 at 4:17 pm |
  13. GSA

    @John – I believe in God and am a spiritual person. I am Sikh. I am, however, not very religious though and am against organized religion for the most part since the ppl involved (those observing or leading any religious group) usually have an agenda or no idea of what they speak on. By my statement above I do not think I was anti-religious at all though, I just think that these ppl could do themselves, the world and the God in which they believe a great justice by doing good in the community instead of this waste of time which to me seems like more of a display than anything of meaning in a spiritual sense.

    December 21, 2010 at 4:06 pm |
  14. John

    I fail to understand why so many people are so negative about organized religion and people of faith. All I can say is that their lives must be so unhappy. Singing and praising the Lord is not "wasting your time". Praised be Jesus Christ, now and forever!" Merry Christmas!

    December 21, 2010 at 3:05 pm |
    • Reality

      John,

      A holiday gift just for you:

      Saving Christians from the Resurrection Con:

      From that famous passage: In 1 Corinthians 15 St. Paul reasoned, "If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."

      Even now Catholic/Christian professors of theology are questioning the bodily resurrection of the simple, preacher man aka Jesus.

      To wit;

      From a major Catholic university's theology grad school white-board notes:

      "Heaven is a Spirit state or spiritual reality of union with God in love, without earthly – earth bound distractions.
      Jesus and Mary's bodies are therefore not in Heaven.

      Most believe that it to mean that the personal spiritual self that survives death is in continuity with the self we were while living on earth as an embodied person.

      Again, the physical Resurrection (meaning a resuscitated corpse returning to life), Ascension (of Jesus' crucified corpse), and Assumption (Mary's corpse) into heaven did not take place.

      The Ascension symbolizes the end of Jesus' earthly ministry and the beginning of the Church.

      Only Luke's Gospel records it. The Assumption ties Jesus' mission to Pentecost and missionary activity of Jesus' followers The Assumption has multiple layers of symbolism, some are related to Mary's special role as "Christ bearer" (theotokos). It does not seem fitting that Mary, the body of Jesus' Virgin-Mother (another biblically based symbol found in Luke 1) would be derived by worms upon her death. Mary's assumption also shows God's positive regard, not only for Christ's male body, but also for female bodies." "

      "In three controversial Wednesday Audiences, Pope John Paul II pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places, as commonly perceived and represented in human language. This language of place is, according to the Pope, inadequate to describe the realities involved, since it is tied to the temporal order in which this world and we exist. In this he is applying the philosophical categories used by the Church in her theology and saying what St. Thomas Aquinas said long before him."
      http://eternal-word.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2HEAVN.HTM

      The Vatican quickly embellished this story with a lot CYAP.

      Of course, we all know that angels are really mythical "pretty wingie talking thingies".

      With respect to rising from the dead, we also have this account:

      An added note: As per R.B. Stewart in his introduction to the recent book, The Resurrection of Jesus, Crossan and Wright in Dialogue, ( Professors Crossan and Wright are On Faith panelists).

      "Reimarus (1774-1778) posits that Jesus became sidetracked by embracing a political position, sought to force God's hand and that he died alone deserted by his disciples. What began as a call for repentance ended up as a misguided attempt to usher in the earthly political kingdom of God. After Jesus' failure and death, his disciples stole his body and declared his resurrection in order to maintain their financial security and ensure themselves some standing."

      So where are the bones? As per Professor Crossan's analyses in his many books, the body of Jesus would have ended up in the mass graves of the crucified, eaten by wild dogs, with lime in a shallow grave, or under a pile of stones.

      December 21, 2010 at 3:37 pm |
    • emmzee

      So Reimarus and Crossan, not particularly liking the biblical accounts, create speculative accounts (not based on any evidence per se, mind you) that provide a different possibility. Are the possible? Sure, anything is possible. Are they well founded and evidenced? Not even close. "You could say that Jesus became sidetracked ... disciples stole his body ... ended up in mass graces ... eaten by dogs ..." but what exactly can you point to in defense of these hypotheses?

      At least we agree that if Jesus was not really raised, then the Christian faith is actually a Christian farce. Where we disagree is that I believe, based on what I think are good reasons, that Jesus actually was resurrected.

      For an alternate and contrary view to what "Reality" has posted above (or rather, cut and paste on to as many blogs as he/she/they can) try N. T. Wright (one of the names also mentioned by "Reality" above) in for example his book The Resurrection of the Son of God. If that book is too long and technical, William Lane Craig's book The Son Rises is a much shorter study of the topic.

      For still another approach, Gary Habermas' "Minimal Facts" approach doesn't make any assumptions about the Bible (in fact it assumes for the sake of argument that it is fundamentally flawed) and uses only those minimal facts (accepted by critical scholars like Crossan) to build his case. His book The Case for the Resurrection with Mike Licona is a good start, or visit his site at garyhabermas.com.

      Blessings to you & yours during this Christmas season.

      December 21, 2010 at 4:05 pm |
    • Reality

      emmzee,

      You forgot to re-but the following which is not considered in Professor Crossan's co-nclusions i.e. based on rig-orous review of the number of atte-stations and timing of said atte-stations.

      "Even now Catholic/Christian professors of theology are questioning the bodily resurrection of the simple, preacher man aka Jesus.

      To wit;

      From a major Catholic university's theology grad school white-board notes:

      "Heaven is a Spirit state or spiritual reality of union with God in love, without earthly – earth bound distractions.
      Jesus and Mary's bodies are therefore not in Heaven.

      Most believe that it to mean that the personal spiritual self that survives death is in continuity with the self we were while living on earth as an embodied person.

      Again, the physical Resurrection (meaning a resuscitated corpse returning to life), Ascension (of Jesus' crucified corpse), and Assumption (Mary's corpse) into heaven did not take place.

      The Ascension symbolizes the end of Jesus' earthly ministry and the beginning of the Church.

      Only Luke's Gospel records it. The Assumption ties Jesus' mission to Pentecost and missionary activity of Jesus' followers The Assumption has multiple layers of symbolism, some are related to Mary's special role as "Christ bearer" (theotokos). It does not seem fitting that Mary, the body of Jesus' Virgin-Mother (another biblically based symbol found in Luke 1) would be derived by worms upon her death. Mary's assumption also shows God's positive regard, not only for Christ's male body, but also for female bodies." "

      "In three controversial Wednesday Audiences, Pope John Paul II pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places, as commonly perceived and represented in human language. This language of place is, according to the Pope, inadequate to describe the realities involved, since it is tied to the temporal order in which this world and we exist. In this he is applying the philosophical categories used by the Church in her theology and saying what St. Thomas Aquinas said long before him."
      http://eternal-word.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2HEAVN.HTM

      Just some of the references used by contemporary historic Jesus experts when reviewing the NT:

      o 1. Historical Jesus Theories, earlychristianwritings.com/theories.htm – the names of many of the contemporary historical Jesus scholars and the ti-tles of their over 100 books on the subject.
      2. Early Christian Writings, earlychristianwritings.com/
      – a list of early Christian doc-uments to include the year of publication–
      30-60 CE Passion Narrative
      40-80 Lost Sayings Gospel Q
      50-60 1 Thessalonians
      50-60 Philippians
      50-60 Galatians
      50-60 1 Corinthians
      50-60 2 Corinthians
      50-60 Romans
      50-60 Philemon
      50-80 Colossians
      50-90 Signs Gospel
      50-95 Book of Hebrews
      50-120 Didache
      50-140 Gospel of Thomas
      50-140 Oxyrhynchus 1224 Gospel
      50-200 Sophia of Jesus Christ
      65-80 Gospel of Mark
      70-100 Epistle of James
      70-120 Egerton Gospel
      70-160 Gospel of Peter
      70-160 Secret Mark
      70-200 Fayyum Fragment
      70-200 Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs
      73-200 Mara Bar Serapion
      80-100 2 Thessalonians
      80-100 Ephesians
      80-100 Gospel of Matthew
      80-110 1 Peter
      80-120 Epistle of Barnabas
      80-130 Gospel of Luke
      80-130 Acts of the Apostles
      80-140 1 Clement
      80-150 Gospel of the Egyptians
      80-150 Gospel of the Hebrews
      80-250 Christian Sibyllines
      90-95 Apocalypse of John
      90-120 Gospel of John
      90-120 1 John
      90-120 2 John
      90-120 3 John
      90-120 Epistle of Jude
      93 Flavius Josephus
      100-150 1 Timothy
      100-150 2 Timothy
      100-150 T-itus
      100-150 Apocalypse of Peter
      100-150 Secret Book of James
      100-150 Preaching of Peter
      100-160 Gospel of the Ebionites
      100-160 Gospel of the Nazoreans
      100-160 Shepherd of Hermas
      100-160 2 Peter
      3. Historical Jesus Studies, faithfutures.org/HJstudies.html,
      – "an extensive and constantly expanding literature on historical research into the person and cultural context of Jesus of Nazareth"
      4. Jesus Database, faithfutures.org/JDB/intro.html–"The JESUS DATABASE is an online annotated inventory of the traditions concerning the life and teachings of Jesus that have survived from the first three centuries of the Common Era. It includes both canonical and extra-canonical materials, and is not limited to the traditions found within the Christian New Testament."
      5. Josephus on Jesus mtio.com/articles/bissar24.htm
      6. The Jesus Seminar, mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/seminar.html#Criteria
      7. Writing the New Testament- mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/testament.html
      8. Health and Healing in the Land of Israel By Joe Zias
      joezias.com/HealthHealingLandIsrael.htm
      9. Economics in First Century Palestine, K.C. Hanson and D. E. Oakman, Palestine in the Time of Jesus, Fortress Press, 1998.
      10. 7. The Gnostic Jesus
      (Part One in a Two-Part Series on Ancient and Modern Gnosticism)
      by Douglas Groothuis: equip.org/free/DG040-1.htm
      11. The interpretation of the Bible in the Church, Pontifical Biblical Commission
      Presented on March 18, 1994
      ewtn.com/library/CURIA/PBCINTER.HTM#2
      12. The Jesus Database- newer site:
      wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php?t-itle=Jesus_Database
      13. Jesus Database with the example of Supper and Eucharist:
      faithfutures.org/JDB/jdb016.html
      14. Josephus on Jesus by Paul Maier:
      mtio.com/articles/bissar24.htm
      15. The Journal of Higher Criticism with links to articles on the Historical Jesus:
      mtio.com/articles/bissar24.htm
      16. The Greek New Testament: laparola.net/greco/
      17. Diseases in the Bible:
      etd.unisa.ac.za/ETD-db/theses/available/etd-08022006-125807/unrestricted/02dissertation.pdf
      18. Religion on Line (6000 articles on the history of religion, churches, theologies,
      theologians, ethics, etc.
      religion-online.org/
      19. The Jesus Seminarians and their search for NT authenticity:
      mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/seminar.html#Criteria
      20. The New Testament Gateway – Internet NT ntgateway.com/
      21. Writing the New Testament- existing copies, oral tradition etc.
      ntgateway.com/
      22. The Search for the Historic Jesus by the Jesus Seminarians:
      members.aol.com/DrSwiney/seminar.html
      23. Jesus Decoded by Msgr. Francis J. Maniscalco (Da Vinci Code review)jesusdecoded.com/introduction.php
      24. JD Crossan's scriptural references for his book the Historical Jesus separated into time periods: faithfutures.org/Jesus/Crossan1.rtf
      25. JD Crossan's conclusions about the authencity of most of the NT based on the above plus the conclusions of other NT exegetes in the last 200 years:
      faithfutures.org/Jesus/Crossan2.rtf
      26. Common Sayings from Thomas's Gospel and the Q Gospel: faithfutures.org/Jesus/Crossan3.rtf
      27. Early Jewish Writings- Josephus and his books by t-itle with the complete translated work in English :earlyjewishwritings.com/josephus.html
      28. Luke and Josephus- was there a connection?
      infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/lukeandjosephus.html
      29. NT and beyond time line:
      pbs.org/empires/peterandpaul/history/timeline/
      30. St. Paul's Time line with discussion of important events:
      harvardhouse.com/prophetictech/new/pauls_life.htm
      31. See amazon.com for a list of JD Crossan's books and those of the other Jesus Seminarians: Reviews of said books are included and selected pages can now be viewed on Amazon. Some books can be found on-line at Google Books.
      32. Father Edward Schillebeeckx's words of wisdom as found in his books.
      33. The books of the following : Professors Marcus Borg, Paula Fredriksen, Elaine Pagels, Karen Armstrong and Bishop NT Wright.
      34. Father Raymond Brown's An Introduction to the New Testament, Doubleday, NY, 1977, 878 pages, with Nihil obstat and Imprimatur.
      35. Luke Timothy Johnson's book The Real Jesus

      December 21, 2010 at 5:00 pm |
    • ttwp

      @Reality: You are incorrect in stating that "Only Luke's Gospel records it." You may also want to read the Gospel of Mark. It also talks about the ascension.

      "After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven..." Mark 16:19

      December 21, 2010 at 11:52 pm |
    • ttwp

      Believe in the Word of God....not the word of man.

      December 22, 2010 at 12:10 am |
    • Reality

      Mark 16: 19, by many contemporary historic Jesus experts, is considered to be an add-on to Mark's gospel.

      e.g.

      Later Markan Endings

      Crossan analysis:
      Item: 522
      Stratum: IV (120-150 CE)
      Attestation: Single
      Historicity: negative

      "Mark 16 is the final chapter of the Gospel of Mark in the New Testament of the Christian Bible. It begins with the discovery of the empty tomb by Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome — there they encounter a man dressed in white who announces Jesus' resurrection.

      "Verse 8 ends with the women fleeing from the empty tomb, and saying "nothing to anyone, because they were afraid." Many scholars take 16:8 as the original ending and believe the longer ending (16:9-20) was written later by someone else as a summary of Jesus' resurrection appearances and several miracles performed by Christians. In this 12-verse passage, the author refers to Jesus' appearances to Mary Magdalene, two disciples, and then the Eleven (the Twelve Apostles minus Judas). The text concludes with the Great Commission, declares eternal life for believers and condemnation for nonbelievers, and pictures Jesus sitting at God's right hand.[1]

      Most scholars, following the approach of the textual critic Bruce Metzger, hold the view that verses 9-20 were not part of the original text.[1] Textual critics have identified two distinct endings—the "Longer Ending" (vv. 9-20) and the "Shorter Ending," which appear together in six Greek manuscripts, and in dozens of Ethiopic copies. The "Shorter Ending," with slight variations, runs as follows: “But they reported briefly to Peter and those with him all that they had been told. And after this, Jesus himself sent out by means of them, from east to west, the sacred and imperishable proclamation of eternal salvation."

      December 22, 2010 at 7:14 am |
    • David Johnson

      @ttwp

      You said: "Believe in the Word of God....not the word of man."

      The bible contains errors. How can it be the word of a perfect god?

      Curious in Arizona

      December 22, 2010 at 8:01 am |
    • ttwp

      @Reality: Once again believe in the the Word of God and not man.

      @David Johnson: I've have stated to you previously to humbly seek God and without a skeptic's heart. But you won't listen...you prefer your darkness and not God's truth. I hope you someday you will be convinced of His love for you. "But if from there you seek the LORD your God, you will find him if you seek him with all your heart and with all your soul."

      December 22, 2010 at 8:48 am |
    • Mike, not me

      Reality would please update your post , the gospel of thomas is at best 175AD - Evans, Keller, Strobel.

      not even with in the range you cited

      December 22, 2010 at 11:00 am |
    • Reality

      One can access the various Thomas book/gospels at http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/. This includes approximate date of publication and also English translations.

      50-140 Gospel of Thomas
      140-170 Infancy Gospel of Thomas
      150-225 Book of Thomas the Contender
      200-225 Acts of Thomas

      December 22, 2010 at 11:16 am |
  15. GSA

    How about, stop wasting your time singing and go donate some of your precious time at the local shelter, food bank, community center, cleaning up the streets, helping elderly and disabled, etc.

    December 21, 2010 at 1:13 pm |
    • Prayerful

      Ummmm, how do you know they don't? And you?

      December 23, 2010 at 12:01 am |
  16. David Johnson

    What about: "Mall throws out religious nuts" ?

    OR

    "Idiot carolers tossed out. There is no God!" I like that one!

    Cheers!

    December 21, 2010 at 1:08 pm |
  17. TDJ

    I dislike the headline. "What about: overeager crowd force cancellation of Christian mall event?" That so many people went that the fire code had to be invoke is a happy, "heavenly" event.

    December 21, 2010 at 12:52 pm |
    • Krzysiek

      Todd,Making the journey with you has been a biesslng to many of us. I believe this blog is a legacy as well, so you will bless many more.Thank you again for putting precious energy into helping us learn how to walk more closely with our Savior. God continue to bless you as you are biesslng others.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
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