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John Paul II could move toward sainthood this year, report says
File photo from October 21, 2003 shows Pope John Paul II saluting the crowd as he arrives for an ordination ceremony.
January 5th, 2011
02:58 PM ET

John Paul II could move toward sainthood this year, report says

By Richard Allen Greene and Hada Messia, CNN

The late Pope John Paul II could take a big step toward sainthood as early as this year, a longtime Vatican journalist reports.

He could be beatified in a service led by Pope Benedict XVI at the Vatican by the end of 2011 - an event that would be certain to draw hundreds of thousands of faithful.

Medical and theological experts have credited John Paul II with the healing of a nun whose order prayed to him after he died in 2005. Sister Marie-Simon-Pierre says she was cured of Parkinson's disease.

A team of cardinals and bishops will examine the reputed miracle this month and pass their verdict to the pope.

If Benedict XVI confirms that it was a miracle, John Paul will be eligible to be beatified, the last step before sainthood.

Journalist Andrea Tornielli, who has covered the Vatican for many years, first reported the news Tuesday.

The Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, and the Vatican office studying the case for John Paul's sainthood both refused to comment on the matter when questioned by CNN Wednesday.

But if the miracle is confirmed by the Catholic Church, John Paul II could be beatified as soon as April 2, the sixth anniversary of his death, Tornielli said.

That would be very fast in Vatican terms.

Other possible dates are May 18, John Paul's birthday, or October 16, the anniversary of the date he was elected pope in 1978, Tornielli said, suggesting the last date is most likely, to give the church time to prepare what will be an enormous event, even by the Vatican's standards.

- Newsdesk editor, The CNN Wire

Filed under: Belief • Bishops • Catholic Church • Christianity • Pope Benedict XVI • Vatican

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  1. reefseeker

    Proverbs 1:7 (King James Version)

    7The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

    Romans 1:21-22 (King James Version)
    21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

    January 14, 2011 at 12:25 pm |
  2. reefseeker

    Joke.. simple.. he is human and didn't understand the message of the Bible, and what is up with that wardrobe ?

    January 14, 2011 at 12:21 pm |
  3. Heed This

    CatholicMom,

    When one 'makes' a saint, it is akin to 'recognizing' them as the two words are synonymous.

    And did you not see these articles about the pope they want to become a saint?

    Kissing the Koran: http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/popekiss.html

    Receiving the Mark of Shiva, a Hindu God: http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/shiva.jpg

    Inter-religious meetings: http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/dialog.html

    The man who would be Saint: http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/jp2.htm

    In addition, have you read the following two important books that cast a very different light on the papacy?

    Vicars of Christ: The Dark Side of the Papacy (by Peter De Rosa)

    Papal Sin: Structures of Deceit (by Garry Wills)

    You should read them and then find out why there are so many against a pope being made/recognized as a saint.

    And by the way, you have not answered two basic questions that were asked earlier here. We are waiting for your answer.

    In essence, they are: Why does the Catholic Church not practice Full Immersion into water when baptizing someone since Jesus was baptized by full immersion and taught His Disciples to baptize in that manner?

    and

    Why is the Catholic Church so against saying or recognizing the beautiful prayer to become Born Again that is so important for Salvation? It is Biblical and Scriptures speak to saying this prayer to fully become a Born Again Christian. Without it, people are lost, literally lost, according to Bible teachings and they cannot attain Heaven just with mere baptism.

    January 13, 2011 at 4:09 pm |
  4. For Salvation

    "Who shall lay anything to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth." - Romans 8:33 KJV. This Scripture explains that everything should ultimately be left to God, as in appointing a saint or making a saint. No man, as I've heard said here and as this Scripture directs, can make a saint but God. That is so true and woe unto he or she who deliberately chooses to misunderstand this.

    The Prayer To Become Born Again

    Dearest Lord God, I come before thee as a sinner with contrite heart and ask you to forgive me of all of my sins. I am sorry for having offended you. I believe and acknowledge that Jesus Christ is your only begotten Son who was born, died, and was buried and that you, O Lord God, resurrected Him from the dead. I accept eternal life and will serve you for the rest of my days. Amen.

    January 11, 2011 at 10:44 pm |
    • Anne

      Thank you for presenting this wonderful prayer to become Born Again and for our Salvation! We give our life, as the prayer says, to Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and with this pledge we amend our present life and become Born Again in Jesus' most holy name! He came to save us and died but God resurrected Him for our salvation! Praise to His Divine Name! All glory be to God! Amen.

      January 12, 2011 at 12:32 pm |
    • CatholicMom

      The article is not about ‘making a saint’ but recognizing one.

      January 12, 2011 at 11:25 pm |
  5. Why This

    Perhaps it's best explained to say that Catholics believe in something quite different from the Holy Bible teachings. It's in their own doings in their own way. Now - we understand.

    http://www.chick.com/bc/2008/vatican.asp

    January 11, 2011 at 8:30 pm |
    • CatholicMom

      Why This,
      If you are really interested in what Catholics believe and why….google: the catechism of the catholic church.
      Type in communion of saints and there you are!

      If you are really interested in cars do you go to a tractor dealer….go to the source!

      January 12, 2011 at 11:23 pm |
    • Why This

      CatholicMom, I HAVE gone to the Source – God. Not google. And those Catholic websites will of course spout partisan rhetoric about Catholicism. That is not what is in the Holy Bible and I will believe the Bible over Catholic rhetoric anyday.

      January 13, 2011 at 3:35 pm |
  6. Muneef

    A man has to have a belief or faith to live by but should as well not be up to being fanatic or intolerant to other beliefs since he him self is not knowing all as God does of whom he created and has to adjust course when proven wrong or used mind and heart to judge what is false and what is firm right and should not accept the whole belief as a package truly you believe in as firmly right or doubtful or proven wrong or given up, what ever the belief whether political or religious or non religous !? Have you ever asked your self what is right and what is wrong or doubtful in your belief? Have you tried to find what others say in their beliefs and to think what sounds more convincing and obvious? What ever you chose to accept and take is your path and belief to live by and surely that will not stop there but developed on basis of findings or more maturity specially that man matures at the age of 40 Years ad were all Prophets and Messengers of God who only became what they were after the age of 40 years and there only starts the true journey of spiritual quest towards the truth only if want to know with open eyes,ears,minds,hearts? But those who wanted to remain blind will be returned after life blind and it says you can not blame those earlier ones who cheated and mixed the good with the bad because you will be told that you were given all those senses to judge right from wrong for your path and to leave that to brotherhood or parties or lobbies to decide for you your faith or belief as no one will pay your dues other than yourself and no one is for some one...
    We seen political beliefs that came and killed so many civilians in thousands and millions and to end up vanishing as unworkable or not right or doubtful? So what was the use of ending all those lost lives pain miseries to just come and say sorry was a wrong move?? Is that fair? Do you think there is no God who will make those pay for their crimes in life and after life?? Well sorry we are here for some thing and not for nothing and that is my belief and faith that I want to keep and might even proudly die for I am A Human being and Not an Ape and we are here for a message and a test as to who does better in good deeds for God,to humanity,to society,to family and to ones self...!!?

    January 11, 2011 at 7:58 pm |
  7. Muneef

    Al-Anaam
    Only those can accept who hear. As for the dead, Allah will raise them up; then unto Him they will be returned. (36) They say: Why hath no portent been sent down upon him from his Lord? Say: Lo! Allah is Able to send down a portent. But most of them know not. (37) There is not an animal in the earth, nor a flying creature flying on two wings, but they are peoples like unto you. We have neglected nothing in the Book (of Our decrees). Then unto their Lord they will be gathered. (38) Those who deny Our revelations are deaf and dumb in darkness. Whom Allah will He sendeth astray, and whom He will He placeth on a straight path. (39) Say: Can ye see yourselves, if the punishment of Allah come upon you or the Hour come upon you, (calling upon other than Allah)? Do ye then call (for help) to any other than Allah? (Answer that) if ye are truthful. (40) Nay, but unto Him ye call, and He removeth that because of which ye call unto Him, if He will, and ye forget whatever partners ye ascribed unto Him. (41) We have sent already unto peoples that were before thee, and We visited them with tribulation and adversity, in order that they might grow humble. (42) If only, when Our disaster came on them, they had been humble! But their hearts were hardened and the devil made all that they used to do seem fair unto them! (43) Then, when they forgot that whereof they had been reminded, We opened unto them the gates of all things till, even as they were rejoicing in that which they were given, We seized them unawares, and lo! they were dumbfounded. (44) So of the people who did wrong the last remnant was cut off. Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds! (45) Say: Have ye imagined, if Allah should take away your hearing and your sight and seal your hearts, Who is the God Who could restore it to you save Allah? See how We display the revelations unto them! Yet still they turn away. (46) Say: Can ye see yourselves, if the punishment of Allah come upon you unawares or openly? Would any perish save wrongdoing folk? (47) We send not the messengers save as bearers of good news and warners. Whoso believeth and doeth right, there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve. (48) But as for those who deny Our revelations, torment will afflict them for that they used to disobey. (49) Say (O Muhammad, to the disbelievers): I say not unto you (that) I possess the treasures of Allah, nor that I have knowledge of the Unseen; and I say not unto you: Lo! I am an angel. I follow only that which is inspired in me. Say: Are the blind man and the seer equal? Will ye not then take thought? (50) Warn hereby those who fear (because they know) that they will be gathered unto their Lord, for whom there is no protecting friend nor intercessor beside Him, that they may ward off (evil). (51) Repel not those who call upon their Lord at morn and evening, seeking His Countenance. Thou art not accountable for them in aught, nor are they accountable for thee in aught, that thou shouldst repel them and be of the wrong-doers. (52) And even so do We try some of them by others, that they say: Are these they whom Allah favoureth among us? Is not Allah best Aware of the thanksgivers? (53) And when those who believe in Our revelations come unto thee, say: Peace be unto you! Your Lord hath prescribed for Himself mercy, that whoso of you doeth evil through ignorance and repenteth afterward thereof and doeth right, (for him) lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (54) Thus do We expound the revelations that the way of the unrighteous may be manifest. (55) Say: I am forbidden to worship those on whom ye call instead of Allah. Say: I will not follow your desires, for then should I go astray and I should not be of the rightly guided. (56) Say: I am (relying) on clear proof from my Lord, while ye deny Him. I have not that for which ye are impatient. The decision is for Allah only. He telleth the truth and He is the Best of Deciders. (57) Say: If I had that for which ye are impatient, then would the case (ere this) have been decided between me and you. Allah is Best Aware of the wrong-doers. (58)

    January 11, 2011 at 7:46 pm |
  8. Muneef

    Each Prophet and Messenger of God whom God permited will intercede for their own people the followers of their paths and that did as were told and who with every worship they have prayed for their Messengers of God.
    As Muslims our interceder is Prophet and Messenger of God is Muhammed PBUH...

    January 11, 2011 at 7:38 pm |
  9. Just Me

    I am so Sorry, I don't want to be annoying but, even is those few humans who are in heaven could pray for us, Why wouldn't we ask Jesus directly to intercede for us before the Father? He is The Perfect Lamb, He is The Perfect Sacrifice. He is there sitting next to The Father and He lived among us and knows how we live here. He took upon Himself the sins of the Whole entire human race. He is God, He can hear all our prayers. He is the only one that can intercede for us.

    January 11, 2011 at 5:33 pm |
  10. Just Me

    Also, the incense that is mingled with the prayers of saints (Saints are those Christians that love God and ONLY God knows who they are, not man has appointed) is nothing else that the Sacrifice of Jesus. Even the prayers of the best people on Earth would not be able to reach the throne of God if they are not mingled with the sacrifice of Jesus.
    Romans 3:23 (NIV) ...for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, ALL, includes, the people you believe are saints, like popes, mother Theresa, Matthew, John, Paul, Moses, etc. Again, you can only pray to God for others, if you are alive, otherwise, you are dead and waiting for the resurrection. Those few that, the with the Bible we can confirm, are in Heaven, cannot pray for us. They are lucky enough to be there, and hopefully are not looking at the horrific world we are living in today. Remember, only few went to heaven, otherwise, why would Jesus come back to raise from the dead those who are sleeping? With much love, your brother in Jesus, Just me!

    January 11, 2011 at 5:08 pm |
    • CatholicMom

      Just Me,
      Why do you think there are very few saints in Heaven?

      January 12, 2011 at 11:13 pm |
  11. Just Me

    CatholicMom, with all the respect that you deserve, I does not matter what the Catholic, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Adventist, Mormon, etc, etc. says. Jesus will come, YES AMEN! but He does not buy any organizations policies, rules, laws. Thanks God His kingdom is not of this Earth. He will come for His people! ..."those who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus"(Rev. 14:12). The Catholic church organization (not their loving, faithful followers) robbed God's Holy Law of its Second commandment, mutilated and changed the fourth, and split the 9th to show there are ten (This is just a little example of many). Please do not feel offended. I love all my friends and relatives who are Catholics. The issue here is not if your church or mine is right, The issue here is that Jesus is coming and we as Christians, do not know Him personally, but for what the churches tells us. He needs to become our beloved personal savior, brother, and God. Not religious organization y going to buy us any favor before God. Only Jesus and His word. I beg you please not to feel offended. In heaven, we will be brothers and sister united to The Father by His priceless sacrifice. There will be no church organization at all. We will be One with Jesus as He is one with The Father.

    January 11, 2011 at 4:53 pm |
  12. Heed This

    Kissing the Koran: http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/popekiss.html

    Receiving the Mark of Shiva, a Hindu God: http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/shiva.jpg

    Inter-religious meetings: http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/dialog.html

    The man who would be Saint: http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/jp2.htm

    January 11, 2011 at 12:02 pm |
    • Shocking Revelations

      Shocking revelations about the Pope! Truly Shocking!! And they still want to make him a Saint?

      January 11, 2011 at 5:21 pm |
  13. CatholicMom

    There are a number of you who don't understand the Catholic Church's stance on sainthood and who can and cannot pray for us through intercession. The historic Christian practice of asking our departed brothers and sisters in Christ—the saints—for their intercession has come under attack in the last few hundred years. Though the practice dates to the earliest days of Christianity and is shared by Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, the other Eastern Christians, and even some Anglicans—meaning that all-told it is shared by more than three quarters of the Christians on earth—it still comes under heavy attack from many within the Protestant movement that started in the sixteenth century.

    One charge made against it is that the saints in heaven cannot even hear our prayers, making it useless to ask for their intercession. However, this is not true. As Scripture indicates, those in heaven are aware of the prayers of those on earth. This can be seen, for example, in Revelation 5:8, where John depicts the saints in heaven offering our prayers to God under the form of "golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints." But if the saints in heaven are offering our prayers to God, then they must be aware of our prayers. They are aware of our pet!tions and present them to God by interceding for us.

    Some might try to argue that in this passage the prayers being offered were not addressed to the saints in heaven, but directly to God. Yet this argument would only strengthen the fact that those in heaven can hear our prayers, for then the saints would be aware of our prayers even when they are not directed to them!

    In any event, it is clear from Revelation 5:8 that the saints in heaven do actively intercede for us. We are explicitly told by John that the incense they offer to God are the prayers of the saints. Prayers are not physical things and cannot be physically offered to God. Thus the saints in heaven are offering our prayers to God mentally. In other words, they are interceding.

    Another charge commonly leveled against asking the saints for their intercession is that this violates the sole mediatorship of Christ, which Paul discusses: "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (1 Tim. 2:5).

    But asking one person to pray for you in no way violates Christ’s mediatorship, as can be seen from considering the way in which Christ is a mediator. First, Christ is a unique mediator between man and God because he is the only person who is both God and man. He is the only bridge between the two, the only God-man. But that role as mediator is not compromised in the least by the fact that others intercede for us. Furthermore, Christ is a unique mediator between God and man because he is the Mediator of the New Covenant (Heb. 9:15, 12:24), just as Moses was the mediator (Greek mesitas) of the Old Covenant (Gal. 3:19–20).

    The intercession of fellow Christians—which is what the saints in heaven are—also clearly does not interfere with Christ’s unique mediatorship because in the four verses immediately preceding 1 Timothy 2:5, Paul says that Christians should intercede: "First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, godly and respectful in every way. This is good, and pleasing to God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim. 2:1–4). Clearly, then, intercessory prayers offered by Christians on behalf of others is something "good and pleasing to God," not something infringing on Christ’s role as mediator.

    Sometimes Fundamentalists object to asking our fellow Christians in heaven to pray for us by declaring that God has forbidden contact with the dead in passages such as Deuteronomy 18:10–11. In fact, he has not, because he at times has given it—for example, when he had Moses and Elijah appear with Christ to the disciples on the Mount of Transfiguration (Matt. 17:3). What God has forbidden is necromantic practice of conjuring up spirits. "There shall not be found among you any one who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination, a soothsayer, or an augur, or a sorcerer, or a charmer, or a medium, or a wizard, or a necromancer. . . . For these nations, which you are about to dispossess, give heed to soothsayers and to diviners; but as for you, the Lord your God has not allowed you so to do. The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brethren—him you shall heed" (Deut. 18:10–15).

    God thus indicates that one is not to conjure the dead for purposes of gaining information; one is to look to God’s prophets instead. Thus one is not to hold a séance. But anyone with an ounce of common sense can discern the vast qualitative difference between holding a séance to have the dead speak through you and a son humbly saying at his mother’s grave, "Mom, please pray to Jesus for me; I’m having a real problem right now." The difference between the two is the difference between night and day. One is an occult practice bent on getting secret information; the other is a humble request for a loved one to pray to God on one’s behalf.

    Some objections to the concept of prayer to the saints betray restricted notions of heaven. One comes from anti-Catholic Loraine Boettner:

    "How, then, can a human being such as Mary hear the prayers of millions of Roman Catholics, in many different countries, praying in many different languages, all at the same time?

    "Let any priest or layman try to converse with only three people at the same time and see how impossible that is for a human being. . . . The objections against prayers to Mary apply equally against prayers to the saints. For they too are only creatures, infinitely less than God, able to be at only one place at a time and to do only one thing at a time.

    "How, then, can they listen to and answer thousands upon thousands of pet!tions made simultaneously in many different lands and in many different languages? Many such pet!tions are expressed, not orally, but only mentally, silently. How can Mary and the saints, without being like God, be present everywhere and know the secrets of all hearts?" (Roman Catholicism, 142-143).

    If being in heaven were like being in the next room, then of course these objections would be valid. A mortal, unglorified person in the next room would indeed suffer the restrictions imposed by the way space and time work in our universe. But the saints are not in the next room, and they are not subject to the time/space limitations of this life.

    This does not imply that the saints in heaven therefore must be omniscient, as God is, for it is only through God’s willing it that they can communicate with others in heaven or with us. And Boettner’s argument about pet!tions arriving in different languages is even further off the mark. Does anyone really think that in heaven the saints are restricted to the King’s English? After all, it is God himself who gives the gift of tongues and the interpretation of tongues. Surely those saints in Revelation understand the prayers they are shown to be offering to God.

    The problem here is one of what might be called a primitive or even childish view of heaven. It is certainly not one on which enough intellectual rigor has been exercised. A good introduction to the real implications of the afterlife may be found in Frank Sheed’s book Theology and Sanity, which argues that sanity depends on an accurate appreciation of reality, and that includes an accurate appreciation of what heaven is really like. And once that is known, the place of prayer to the saints follows.

    Some may grant that the previous objections to asking the saints for their intercession do not work and may even grant that the practice is permissible in theory, yet they may question it on other grounds, asking why one would want to ask the saints to pray for one. "Why not pray directly to Jesus?" they ask.

    The answer is: "Of course one should pray directly to Jesus!" But that does not mean it is not also a good thing to ask others to pray for one as well. Ultimately, the "go-directly-to-Jesus" objection boomerangs back on the one who makes it: Why should we ask any Christian, in heaven or on earth, to pray for us when we can ask Jesus directly? If the mere fact that we can go straight to Jesus proved that we should ask no Christian in heaven to pray for us then it would also prove that we should ask no Christian on earth to pray for us.

    Praying for each other is simply part of what Christians do. As we saw, in 1 Timothy 2:1–4, Paul strongly encouraged Christians to intercede for many different things, and that passage is by no means unique in his writings. Elsewhere Paul directly asks others to pray for him (Rom. 15:30–32, Eph. 6:18–20, Col. 4:3, 1 Thess. 5:25, 2 Thess. 3:1), and he assured them that he was praying for them as well (2 Thess. 1:11). Most fundamentally, Jesus himself required us to pray for others, and not only for those who asked us to do so (Matt. 5:44).

    Since the practice of asking others to pray for us is so highly recommended in Scripture, it cannot be regarded as superfluous on the grounds that one can go directly to Jesus. The New Testament would not recommend it if there were not benefits coming from it. One such benefit is that the faith and devotion of the saints can support our own weaknesses and supply what is lacking in our own faith and devotion. Jesus regularly supplied for one person based on another person’s faith (e.g., Matt. 8:13, 15:28, 17:15–18, Mark 9:17–29, Luke 8:49–55). And it goes without saying that those in heaven, being free of the body and the distractions of this life, have even greater confidence and devotion to God than anyone on earth.

    Also, God answers in particular the prayers of the righteous. James declares: "The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects. Elijah was a man of like nature with ourselves and he prayed fervently that it might not rain, and for three years and six months it did not rain on the earth. Then he prayed again and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth its fruit" (Jas. 5:16–18). Yet those Christians in heaven are more righteous, since they have been made perfect to stand in God’s presence (Heb. 12:22-23), than anyone on earth, meaning their prayers would be even more efficacious.

    Having others praying for us thus is a good thing, not something to be despised or set aside. Of course, we should pray directly to Christ with every pressing need we have (cf. John 14:13–14). That’s something the Catholic Church strongly encourages. In fact, the prayers of the Mass, the central act of Catholic worship, are directed to God and Jesus, not the saints. But this does not mean that we should not also ask our fellow Christians, including those in heaven, to pray with us.

    In addition to our prayers directly to God and Jesus (which are absolutely essential to the Christian life), there are abundant reasons to ask our fellow Christians in heaven to pray for us. The Bible indicates that they are aware of our prayers, that they intercede for us, and that their prayers are effective (else they would not be offered). It is only narrow-mindedness that suggests we should refrain from asking our fellow Christians in heaven to do what we already know them to be anxious and capable of doing.

    The Bible directs us to invoke those in heaven and ask them to pray with us. Thus in Psalms 103, we pray, "Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hearkening to the voice of his word! Bless the Lord, all his hosts, his ministers that do his will!" (Ps. 103:20-21). And in Psalms 148 we pray, "Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord from the heavens, praise him in the heights! Praise him, all his angels, praise him, all his host!" (Ps. 148:1-2).

    Not only do those in heaven pray with us, they also pray for us. In the book of Revelation, we read: "[An] angel came and stood at the altar [in heaven] with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God" (Rev. 8:3-4).

    And those in heaven who offer to God our prayers aren’t just angels, but humans as well. John sees that "the twenty-four elders [the leaders of the people of God in heaven] fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints" (Rev. 5:8). The simple fact is, as this passage shows: The saints in heaven offer to God the prayers of the saints on earth.

    January 11, 2011 at 12:16 am |
  14. Just Me

    Another thought. Who decides who is a saint? Shouldn't that be God? After all, He is the only one who truly knows the heart of people. Also, a "saint" who is dead, IS DEAD! I don't understand why people give the attributes that ONLY belong to God, to other human beings and why some humans forgive sins, when ONLY God can forgive sins. THIS IS BLASPHEMY!

    January 10, 2011 at 5:55 pm |
    • When Godcalls

      Agreed, Just Me! Another very important thing one should be fully aware of is the Pope's practice of excommunicating a person based upon his belief system of what is right and what is wrong vs. God calling the person to Holy Communion. That is wrong of the Pope and totally inexcusable. If a person goes to God in prayer and feels called upon to receive Communion they should be given every opportunity to do so by the church. In fact, the church should be proud and most grateful that the person has chosen to go receive Holy Communion instead of doing something else which could be sinful at that moment.

      Yet the church considers a person sinful, can you only imagine that, if they are divorced for example or some other thing they are not in agreement with. Never mind that God has called that person forth to receive His Body and His Blood, never mind that a person has repented for their sins and feels called to go forward to receive Christ. If the Pope is capricious and steadfast that they should not receive it or risk being excommunicated then the person should certainly find another denomination, posthaste, that is more accepting, loving, and accommodating. Perhaps that is why so many Catholics are leaving the church in droves! They simply will not let any human person interfere with the calling that God has given them to receive the Holy Sacrament of Communion. Bravo to those people who choose to listen to God over the mortal Pope! May they soon find another church that is totally accepting of the call God has given to them.

      January 11, 2011 at 12:13 am |
  15. Just Me

    If you are Christian and believe what God has told us in The Holy Bible, you will know that the ONLY intercessor to human kind in heaven is Jesus Christ. He is the only way to the throne of God. There is not, nor has not been, a single human being that is out of sin but Jesus who became man and yet, is God. Yes we as human being can pray to God for healing, but we can ONLY do this while we are alive. "Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even the memory of them is forgotten" The dead in Christ will rise at Jesus' second coming, the dead Not in Christ, at Jesus' third coming. Please do not swallow anything any religious group says, believe what God has told us in His Word. That way, we are safe from human lies.

    January 10, 2011 at 5:05 pm |
    • Youre Right

      You're so correct, Just Me. However, it's not Just You who believes this way. Those who are Christians and have studied the Holy Word know that what you are saying is very correct! Why they don't embrace the Bible's teachings is beyond me but people have a mind of their own and the choice to do and think as they will due to their free will. However, there are serious consequences in following a cult or a belief system that does not follow the teachings of the Bible. That is something they must be made aware of or their soul is in peril!

      January 10, 2011 at 9:26 pm |
  16. Youre Misinformed

    CatholicMom, in an earlier posting you made reference to the Catholic Church having brought us the Bible. I responded by saying that was not correct but it did not post. Therefore, I wanted to let you know that the Holy Bible is from God and was given to mankind by Him and His Most Holy allowance. It is not under the jurisdiction of the Catholic Church and with all due respect, to believe that,is being grossly misinformed.

    Those interested in the truth of the matter may very well like to visit the following page:
    http://www.bible.ca/cath-bible-origin.htm

    Also, please note yet another Biblical reference to being Born Again:

    "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." - 1 PETER 1:23 KJV

    January 9, 2011 at 9:47 pm |
    • CatholicMom

      Youre Misinformed,

      Well, with due respect, ‘His Most Holy allowance’ as you said, must be the Holy Spirit, right? The Holy Spirit inspired men to write God’s Word of their own freewill, using their own mannerisms of writing, and yet it is fully God’s Word. This, every Bible believer understands.

      The Bible did not fall out of the sky or come tumbling down the mountainside. Almost 400 years after Jesus’ Ascension is when the Catholic Church placed the inspired Books between it’s covers…and the books that were not the inspired writings were not put in.

      How is it that you know you have the inspired Books, the correct Books, in your Bible?

      1 Peter 1:23 is true and if you continued reading 1 Peter you would get further knowledge and understanding about being born again as in the days of Noah, where eight persons were saved through water. This is talking about Baptism which now saves you. 1 Peter 3:21.

      It is better to read a whole Book than to pull out verses which can be taken out of context because important info can be over-looked.

      Why did Jesus command the Apostles to go out and Baptize all nations in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, in: Matthew 28:16-20?

      January 9, 2011 at 11:20 pm |
    • Youre Misinformed

      CatholicMom, the argument is not about whether the sacred rite of baptism should or should not be administered. I have already stated multiple times that it should, but it must be done in the Proper Manner. I do not see that being done in the Catholic Church. And while a person who cannot speak can certainly be baptized, he or she has not ACCEPTED Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior by verbally acknowledging that fact which is most important to truly become Born Again. If another person has to be made to say they are accepting Jesus on behalf of the person they are baptizing, that would be a kind of proxy and not a proper way towards Salvation any more than it would be acceptable to God for that same person to be willing to go in the place of another person at the time of that person's passing and be held accountable for that person's sins.

      In addition to baptism, it takes an individual to stand alone and give an account to God of their faith and acceptance of Jesus Christ in order to be Saved (Born Again.) That is why Baptism, although very important, cannot take the place of that act in and by itself and that is why the Bible tells us we must say verbally that we accept Jesus Christ into our life. If it was not essential to do that, God would not have directed us to do so. And that's the Holy Bible, not me saying that, although I am unequivocally in full agreement with what the Bible is saying. What is so hard for your church to understand and be hesitant about reciting that prayer as we are told to do, I just have to wonder?

      Coupled with your church not verbally saying the Prayer to become Born Again, and not practicing Full Immersion into water for baptism, I again must ask you these two basic questions:

      Why does your church not practice Full Immersion into water for baptism as Jesus did and taught His disciples should be done?

      Why does your church not teach its parishioners to say the prayer to become Born Again as the Holy Bible teaches us is essential for Salvation and should be done?

      January 10, 2011 at 2:30 pm |
  17. Muneef

    Al-Baqara sura 02:
    Allah will not take you to task for that which is unintentional in your oaths. But He will take you to task for that which your hearts have garnered. Allah is Forgiving, Clement. (225).

    Al-Maeda sura 05:
    Allah will not take you to task for that which is unintentional in your oaths, but He will take you to task for the oaths which ye swear in earnest. The expiation thereof is the feeding of ten of the needy with the average of that wherewith ye feed your own folk, or the clothing of them, or the liberation of a slave, and for him who findeth not (the wherewithal to do so) then a three days' fast. This is the expiation of your oaths when ye have sworn; and keep your oaths. Thus Allah expoundeth unto you His revelations in order that ye may give thanks. (89).

    January 9, 2011 at 8:04 pm |
  18. Muneef

    It is the soul that we have to purify whether being religious or not religious to live in a code of understanding as the only judge is God and no human is to judge another although might try to guide but not hart..it is fine to claim being a non believer when it is harder being religious ! What you have in your heart that you will judged for and not what you said ! So what I say what ever you are on just do good and purify soul from human greed sand impurities.  

    Yusuf sura 12:
    In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
    I do not exculpate myself. Lo! the (human) soul enjoineth unto evil, save that whereon my Lord hath mercy. Lo! my Lord is Forgiving, Merciful. (53).

    An-Naziat sura 79:
    But when the great disaster cometh, (34) The day when man will call to mind his (whole) endeavour, (35) And hell will stand forth visible to him who seeth, (36) Then, as for him who rebelled (37) And chose the life of the world, (38) Lo! hell will be his home. (39) But as for him who feared to stand before his Lord and restrained his soul from lust, (40) Lo! the Garden will be his home. (41).

    Al-Fajr sura 89:
    But ah! thou soul at peace! (27) Return unto thy Lord, content in His good pleasure! (28) Enter thou among My bondmen! (29) Enter thou My Garden! (30).

    January 9, 2011 at 7:54 pm |
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