At the 68th Golden Globes, Ricky Gervais takes on the "Sex and the City" cast and thanks God for making him an atheist.
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You are arguing the unknowable. If one has faith in th Word of God it is easy to see.
While you remain in a doubting mode you will not. Most people do not even know
the simplest things from the NT but are willing to argue against it. Isn't this just IGNORANCE
I don't slam science. Christians believe in proven science and wait to see if theories become fact before we buy into them. I can't the same for non-believers that they wait for this outcome. Non-believers bank on any theory science comes up with ... then jump on the bandwagon to smash Christians for their belief.
Again, you are sidetracking what HeavenSent wrote. Instead of writing me. Check out the scriptures HeavenSent wrote and try to disprove it. You and all your non-believers ranking on Christians with all your posts. I noticed that none of them are speaking up now. Actually, CNN should move what HeavenSent wrote as it's own post to see if any of you non-believers will comment!
Theories don't "become" facts. Theories are theories. They describe and model observations. If they model correctly, they remain theories. If they don't, somebody eventually comes up with a new theory that more accurately models what is observed. ... Usually after the proponents of the old theory have died, but *shrug*. Can't help politics.
One shouldn't speak on things one didn't learn correctly.
Smite me, obviously you didn't read boskolives post asking HeavenSent if he believed the world was 6,000 years old. Read below before you get this debate off topic. But, then again, you non-believers never know what you are babbling about.
"@HeavenSent, Does your comment mean that the world has actually only been in existence for 6,000 years? There seems to be a harmony gap on that issue, among others.
I'm just askin.......
January 20, 2011 at 3:59 pm "
I was replying to one specific post made by you, where you were slamming science in general. If my reply is off-topic, it is because you initiated it. Heck, if you are a purist, this board is supposed to be about Ricky Gervais and the Golden Globes.
You seem inept at placing your replies in the correct place, and with the correct reference (this time it is not the usual CNN snafu), which contributes to the confusion.
Thank you Heaven, Eric doesn't seem to remember the importance of the distinction between facts and theories in science. Facts remain the same whereas, theories often change.
Mmmmhhhhh, that's probably why so many science books are sold to the public ... no need to check to see if these theories indeed ever become facts. But, science followers (aka Trekkies) hold scientific theories to be true.
Then feel free to sign off of your scientifically designed computer, leave your scientifically equipped house, dump your scientifically engineered automobile and jump on a god-designed camel and go live in a god-created cave and eat godly shoots and roots.
Eric G, what are you speaking about? Scriptures have not changed.
"Scriptures have not changed."
Neither have Egyptian hieroglyphics, proclaiming their gods. Does that make them true?
Scriptures have indeed changed. To take just one example, the New Testament took several centuries to be codified, including expurgation of the so-called "missing years" in Jesus's biography (which probably included wife and children, whose mention would have undermined the authority of what we now call the Catholic Church).
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6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. [1st / 2nd = Old/New Testament, Covenant]
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. [New Testament, Covenant] (KJV)
But be assured, when you learn to stop listening to the "traditions of man" and follow God's Word, it really does lift such a heavy burden off of ones mind when he understands exactly what God expects from him and exactly what God and Jesus Christ have promised to him! You can have that someday soon if you continue to study in God's Word, The Bible. God will not deny anyone who seeks Him and His promises. When God says: "whosoever believeth" (see below), He means it! And it can apply to you as well.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (KJV)
In the beginning it can be somewhat difficult to understand the Bible; but with the assistance of sound Bible-believing teaching it becomes easier to understand, and eventually you will be able to read and understand on your own. Then perhaps one day God can use you to help someone else. That's how it works. Anyway, you're always welcome to study here with us!
God Bless YOU!
As always, a very well structured post, my friend. Unfortunately, your post is only supported by belief in unsubtantiated statements. When you try to link your bibles claims to actual scientific theory, you do so with as-sumption and speculation. You will need to provide independent verifiable facts that directly support your claims. I am not attempting to divert you from your path, I only require that your claims and theories are subjected to the exact level of verification and scrutiny as the scientific theories you are referencing. This is the reason you cannot use bible statements as evidence to support another bible statement. Please Google "circular logic" for an explaination superior to my crude attempt.
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20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.
21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.
22 The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.
23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.
24 He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares. (KJV)
Explanation and description of Job 40:15-24. Below, in verse number:
* 15, he was created in the first earth age, when God made the souls of man.
* 16, it describes a large muscular body.
* 17, it describes a tail like a Cedar tree; long and mighty.
* 17, the "sinues of his stones" are stout strong legs.
* 18, his bones are very strong and solid, large bone is strong.
* 19, he is chief of all of God's kingdom, he is the mightiest of all animals (has no natural predator).
* 20, they climb into the mountains.
* 23, he doesn't have to be in fear of predators at the watering hole.
* 23, when he drinks, he drinks allot, as though he could drink up the river Jordan.
* 24, nothing can snare (trap) him, he is the chief of all creatures (see verse 19), and even his very nose is larger and more powerful than any trap that could be laid for him.
Well that's it for this Bible study. Understanding is the key to God's Word, and with what you have just learned about God's creation and His plan from the beginning. Many of the scriptures that made no sense before may now be unlocked to your understanding. The key is first to believe God then to learn what He said.
And for any of you that may be a beginning Bible student, don't worry, the bible may seem complicated and confusing a first, but if you stick with it and with the Grace of God it will all come together and flow very smoothly in your mind. Did not Jesus say "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things." (Mark 13:23)? He tells us all in the book that is written of Him, the Bible "Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God." (Hebrew 10:7).
The purpose and mission of the Messiah Jesus Christ
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. [Old Testament, Covenant]
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
to be continued ...
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And, to have true love for God generate within us, God 'had to' give us free will to make a choice. God also 'had to' allow satan another opportunity to deceive us, otherwise, if God programmed us to love Him and not allow us to be tempted by satan once again then our love really wouldn't mean anything. You can't make someone love you and have it to be true love. And God abiding by His own rules accepts that some will forsake Him and instead turn to satan again; though God desires that none lose themselves "Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish." (Matthew 18:14). He will not interfere with your free will, or it would not be your own free will!
So therefore you must ASK God in your prayers to help you find the true path that pleases Him; and why not tell Him that you love Him? He has emotions, you know; we are created in His likeness, and when one of His beloved children, whom He created, tell Him that they love Him, it just makes His day! God is not some cold unfeeling force out there in space, He is our Father, our Heavenly Father, and we are His beloved children. Won't you treat Him as one?
In the eternity (Heaven) it shall be so "He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son." (Revelation 21:7). We explained the gender term (son) earlier, for in Heaven we shall all be in our spiritual bodies which have no female gender. Women today shall not have female gender parts in Heaven, but they will be there.
Where else in God's word do we see mention of the three separate earth ages?
In 2nd Peter 3:5-13 we see all three of the earth ages mentioned. By having them all three spoken of in order, in the same scripture, it would be impossible for someone to think that we are mistaking a complex combination of different scriptures and arriving at an unsound conclusion about three separate earth ages. The below are all given in order without a break.
2 Peter 3:5-13
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
This was the first earth age. The one God had to destroy because of revolt.
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
This is this present earth age (second) that we live in now.
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Today we are children of men, born of women, but in Heaven (the third age) we shall be children of God, not born of any woman. We shall be "equal unto the angels" which means the same as the angels. Angels have no female gender, and neither shall we in the angel's realm, which is the realm of God, which is eternal; no death, no birth in heaven, thus, no need for the female form (gender). Today we are perishable, liable to die, going to die someday; flesh dies, spirit does not (unless God blots it out in the Lake of Fire after Judgment Day).
That brings to mind the absurdity of the feminist's rendition of Almighty God as a female with breasts. The only female gods are the false nonexistent goddesses of pagan idolatry, I hope for the feminist's sake that God winks at their ignorance. This is no knock on the female gender either, females are great, it is just that being male carries no significance if there is no female; just like being single would mean absolutely nothing if no one were married. This also condemns, as errant, the ###### Worship of the #########. And the so-called ###### Apparitions are merely demons in disguise.
To understand this you cannot think in the flesh of this present male and female gendered second earth age, you have to look at it spiritually. For in Heaven (the third age) we will all be in spiritual bodies and not flesh bodies; and likewise we were all in spiritual bodies in the first earth age. Do not confuse this with reincarnation, reincarnation does not exist, it is just a lie from satan to make the heathen believe that they are not accountable to Almighty God on judgment day for their actions. There 'gonna' reincarnate alright, right into the Lake Of Fire if their not careful! The Reincarnationist New-Age Religionists would do well to absorb 2 Corinthians 5:10 & 11 (below). Let's learn from Apostle Paul of the flesh body and the Spiritual body:
1 Cor 15:44
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. (KJV)
2 Cor 5:6-11
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences. (KJV)
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Every soul goes through each earth age only one time, but it is the same one soul! Use this as an analogy: At one time we were all infants, then children, and eventually adults, but it was always us, the same one person.
OK, now that we can see that there was an earth age before this one, chronologically transpiring between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, let's examine why there had to be the second (our present one). There is very little written of that first earth age, but we will examine a couple of places where it is spoken of. The key to understanding that there was an earth age before this one is in understanding why God destroyed that first earth age and Created this one. God does not do anything without a reason and in understanding why He destroyed that first earth age we can know with a surety that it did in fact once exist.
There are to be three earth ages altogether. We know that we live in one and that "Heaven" is another one, so it should not be surprising that there was one before our present one. All Souls, all of us, were present in that first earth age but God does not allow us to retain knowledge of it. He place a veil between that age and this one so that none of us could recollect it. That may have something to do with the fact that Scientists tells us that we only use approximately 9% of our brains (exact percentage disputed). In the eternity (Heaven) we will have full recall of all three earth ages, and full use of our intellect. There is no mental retardation in a spiritual body, nor is there disease and malformation, the spiritual body does not even age.
In that first earth age in which all our souls lived, satan rebelled against God and led one third of God's children to fight against him – Revelation 12:4 "And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth".
As stated, in this first earth age we were all in spiritual bodies. We were not born of woman like we are in this earth age, in fact there are no female forms with spiritual bodies, nor do they age, which is why whenever there is a report in the Bible of an Angel it is always described as a young male. That doesn't mean that the females that are in this earth age didn't exist then, it just means that in spiritual bodies there is no need for pregnancy and physical birth, thus we were all in the same form, having no female gender. See Luke 20:28-38, Specifically:
34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. KJV
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Then the second sentence of verse 2 marks the start of the rejuvenation of the earth and the commencement of God's Creation on the earth as we know it now in this present second earth age which we now live in.
Returning to our Genesis Scripture:
Genesis 1:2 (Cont.) through verse 5
[Verse 2(b) Cont.] ...And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (Vs.3) And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. (Vs. 4) And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. (Vs. 5) And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day . . . . (KJV)
It is not written how much time transpired between the destruction of the first earth age and the rejuvenation of the earth for the second earth age. God was very angry, we will learn why later in this study. And this flooding of the waters should not be confused with Noah's flood. As we will learn further on in this study, this particular destruction and subsequent overflowing of the waters, was complete and total, and nothing or no-one survived it! In the flood of Noah, we know that Noah, his family, and at least two of every flesh that were brought aboard survived.
The first earth age was inhabited by us, by our souls in a different form, there were no flesh human bodies then (animals yes). In that first earth age we all had spiritual bodies, in this earth age we have flesh bodies because we were created and formed from the dust of the earth.
When God destroyed that first earth age, the souls, the spiritual bodies returned to the Father (God), just as we do when we die in this earth age. But spiritual bodies leave no organic remains. When we die today, only our organic remains (flesh and bone) remain to be buried. Our soul, our spiritual being or spiritual body so to speak, returns instantly to the Father whom gave it.
In this present second earth age we have two bodies, one within the other, and they can only be separated by death. In the first earth age we only had the spiritual bodies. You know that when someone dies today we bury their body, but their soul goes back to God that gave it. It is this soul that will be judged either to Heaven or "Hell". But the deceased flesh that we bury simply rots back to the dirt and minerals that they are formed of.
Your spirit (your intellect) and your soul will either live forever or will be consumed in the lake of fire (Hell). Just as you will never find or see any physical remains of someone's soul, or spiritual body; neither will you find physical remains of those spiritual bodies that inhabited the earth in the first earth age. You will however, find the remains of their existence; the markings, tools, and the residue of settlements. But the spiritual bodies went back to the Father, and are now in the process of going through this second earth age, in flesh bodies. There is a reason for this (explained further on in this study).
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18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain*1, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
*1). vain = There is something remarkable here that is lost to the English reader of the Bible. In the Hebrew Manuscripts that the above verse was translated out of, the word translated into the English as vain is translated from the identical Hebrew word that we saw in Genesis 1:1 (tohuw – #2 above), it's the same Hebrew word.
So that should explain what it is really saying when we read in Gen 1:2: "And the earth was without form [tohuw], and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep."
It is important to point out that the separation of Chapters, Verses, Sentences, and even the spaces between words is the work of the Scribes and the Translators. In the ancient Manuscripts, the whole page is written like one long word. The Scribes and Translators only had their interpretation of the meaning of the scripture to use as a guide, when separating Chapters, Verses, Lines, and the words.
This happens in our verse 2 above, in the middle of verse two after the period we have the sentence that marks the beginning of the rejuvenation of the world into our present earth age (the second of three): "And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." This rejuvenation continues on in the following verses as God creates everything as we know it in our world.
So therefore, with the truest meanings of the key defined words in the above scripture explained, we can thus take the first verse and the first half of the second verse, up to the period, and present it as such:
1) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2) And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. (Notice the periods)
And now we will explain the verse, not retranslate it. We will describe it so that it explains not only the Hebrew words in the English language, but also the Hebrew thought into the English understanding. Therefore, it will be better understood if read as:
In the beginning of time, when that was isn't stated, God created everything in the Heavens and on the earth. Then some unknown length of time later, something catastrophic occurred that made God's Creation come to utter destruction, it became a wasted place. This destruction manifested itself among other things as a total flood. So complete was this destructive event that not only did the earth become an indistinguishable ruin, but even the sun stopped shining its light upon it, and all the earth was cast into utter darkness.
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Hebrew word #1961 hayah (haw-yaw); a primitive root [compare 1933]; to exist, i.e. be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary)
*2). without form was translated from the Hebrew word (tohuw) that means: to lie waste, a desolation. You cannot lie waste or desolate something unless it was once in good condition and then at some later time it was destroyed.
Hebrew word #8414 tohuw (to'-hoo);
from an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), i.e. desert; figuratively, a worthless thing; adverbially, in vain: KJV– confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness.
*3).void is translated from a Hebrew word (bohuw) that means: an indistinguishable ruin. You cannot have a ruin unless there was at first, something to ruin.
Hebrew word #922 bohuw (bo'-hoo);
from an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, i.e. (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin: KJV– emptiness, void.
*4). darkness (choshek) as it is used here means to become dark, to be darkened. You cannot darken something that was not lit in the first place.
Hebrew word #2822 choshek (kho-shek');
from 2821; the dark; hence (literally) darkness; figuratively, misery, destruction, death, ignorance, sorrow, wickedness: KJV– dark (-ness), night, obscurity.
*5). deep, this corresponds with the description of the destruction of the first earth age by water in 2 Peter 3:5+6 (NOT Noah's flood here.
Hebrew word #8415 tehowm (teh-home'); or tehom (teh-home');
(usually feminine) from 1949; an abyss (as a surging mass of water), especially the deep (the main sea or the subterranean water-supply): KJV– deep (place), depth.
*6). There is a period at the end of this sentence. The following sentence marks the beginning of the rejuvenation into this (our current day) earth age.
*7). Spirit of God = The Holy Spirit; the Spirit of God IS the Holy Spirit.
Below, we will see what Almighty God says about the way He created the world, and we see that He did not create it void and without form, but that it became like that at a later time:
boskolives, There are 3 earth ages. First, you need to understand the foundation of the world and that there is a time-gap in scriptures, a great flood and destruction other than and before Noah's flood; this is when the dinosaurs roamed (see scriptures in the book of Job explaining the Behemoth aka what man calls dinosaur)
Genesis 1:1 and 1:2
1 In the beginning*1 God created the heaven and the earth.*2
Embedded notes in Scripture (by #):
*1). In the beginning. It states: "In the beginning," but it doesn't say when that was. We know from archeology that this earth is billions of years old. Scientific Carbon Dating does not contradict this verse!
There is no date given in the above Scripture, so why try to affix a date? It is impossible, for there is no reference point given. However, we can pick up a date when Adam will later in the Scriptures be formed, because all his ancestor's ages are given in the Scriptures and the age that they were when they had the next child chronologically in the list. There was a reason that God saw to it that this, seemingly redundant and unimportant information, was handed down through the Millennia whereby we may simply add the numbers up together and deduct them from any certain date in secular history.
Adam's being formed is long after this verse transpires. This is a substantial point often overlooked by those whom, for whatever reasons of their own, seek to cast doubt on the Bible. It didn't say that God created the Earth when He formed Adam. So while with certainly we may date Adam, we cannot do the same with the date of the creation of the world. Why charge God and His Bible with error when the real problem is our inability to read what is written and to not read into it that which is not written?
*2). Notice that there is a period at the end of this sentence. That means that this thought is complete and the next sentence is a new thought. In reality there is unknown eons of time between this verse and the next. This is what is called time gap in scriptures, and it is recognized to occur in at least twenty-five places in the Bible.
Gen 1:2 [(2a) = 1st half of verse]
2(a). And the earth was*1 without form*2, and void*3; and darkness*4 was upon the face of the deep*5 .*6 And the Spirit of God*7 moved upon the face of the waters. [Verse 2
Embedded notes in Scripture (by #):
*1). was is the English translation of a Hebrew word (hayah) which means Became. In other words, the earth was not created without form and void, but that it became that way at some point in time after it was created.
Heaven Sent, study dating methods. C14 dating has several issues, the least of which is that because of the less than 6,000 year half life the upper limits are 50,000 years. Scholars and scientist should be skeptics of popular theories.
boskolives, I wrote an answer to you hours ago, but the moderators on the site have not posted it (HeavenSent
Your comment is awaiting moderation).
There are 3 earth ages. First, you need to understand the foundation of the world and that there is a time-gap in scriptures, a great flood and destruction other than and before Noah's flood; this is when the dinosaurs roamed (see scriptures in the book of Job explaining the Behemoth aka what man calls dinosaur).
(I am copying and pasting this from our Christian scholar’s site, as you will read, they have sure been busy) ...
Therefore, when the moderators release what I sent, you will be able to read it.
AGH_Germany, Jesus knows that your mom loved Him. It's our love that He wants. Your mom knew that.
Besides, He told us exactly how to love Him. He sent a letter to ALL of us. It's called the Bible.
Are we talking about the Bible written by men? By your own definition of man's fallibility, parts of the Bible are in error. Do we know which parts are? Absolutely not. The Bible shouldn't be a reference book, rather a book open to interpretation, not everything in the Bible should be taken so literally. I'm a former Catholic, by the way, fully confirmed, so please don't take me for a simple internet bigot.
The bible is nothing but one tribes book of manmade myths – it's fiction, and bad fiction at that.
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