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The prayerful pugilist
Manny Pacquiao delivers a blow to an opponent.
February 17th, 2011
06:00 AM ET

The prayerful pugilist

By Eric Marrapodi, Co-Editor CNN Belief Blog

Manny Pacquiao punches people in the face for a living.

He is pound for pound the greatest boxer in the world. An eight-time world champion, the 147-pound Filipino fighter has obliterated his way through weight classes on his way to becoming a national hero in the Philippines and an international superstar.

The southpaw has crushing punching power, and his team has worked hard to develop a right as devastating as his left. But Pacquiao is packing a secret weapon when he walks into the ring - a deep abiding faith.

"The most important thing is to believe in God," Pacquiao said during a recent train trip to Washington, D.C. With his wife by his side and his team taking up the entire private train car, Pacquiao spoke to CNN about his faith, politics and his upcoming fight.

He was heading to Washington to meet with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. Last fall, Reid was down in the polls in a tough re-election fight, so he called in Pacquiao for a last-minute rally. On Tuesday in Washington, Reid said it was Pacquiao who helped put his campaign over the top.  (Watch CNN's Carol Costello's report on the trip here.)

Pacquiao is cagey but diplomatic when talking politics but lights up when asked about his faith. It is a big part of his life as a boxer.

When the 32-year-old Catholic bounded into the ring before his latest pay-per-view match, a silver rosary bounced on his chest as he hopped in place getting ready for the fight. He looked skyward and crossed himself.

It's a familiar scene to those closest to him. "He crosses himself before each round," longtime Pacquiao trainer Freddie Roach said. "After every workout we end it with a prayer. He's very dedicated to his faith."

Pacquiao, left, receives communion during a Thanksgiving Mass at the Quiapo Church in Manila, Philippines, on November 20, 2010.

His publicist Fred Sternburg said while they are on the road Pacquiao always tries to duck quietly into Catholic churches for Mass. Sternburg said the quiet part doesn't always happen. One Sunday afternoon during a trip to San Francisco in 2009, Pacquiao tried to sneak into Mass on the way to the airport. He told the driver to pull over. Sternburg said he waited in the car and when he looked up a crowd of fans was chasing Pacquiao out of the church seeking autographs.

Pacquiao prays during a church service in Manila.

"Pacquiao lived on the streets in Manila in a paper shack and fought his way up on the streets. His story is a Cinderella story," said Bob Arum, his promoter at Top Rank.

And his story in the ring is one for the history books. His trainer thinks he may not just be the best pound-for-pound fighter today but the best pound-for-pound fighter ever.

"Eight world titles will never be duplicated. That makes him the best," Roach said. "That achievement will never be touched again, the caliber of fighters he's fighting, and his competition is great. And he's defeated all of them."

Pacquiao celebrates after defending his title.

Pacquiao is much shyer about his talents than his trainer. "I don't want to say I'm the best boxer in the world. I would say I'm a boxer who can fight a good fight against any fighter in the world. All my talent it all comes from God," he said.

Those talents have propelled him to be the face of boxing, not only in the U.S. but also around the world, according to Arum.

"His story has resonated because he's been able to fight his way out and become the person he is, and instead of turning his back on all that growing up, he embraces that," Arum said.

Pacquiao has taken home millions upon millions for his bouts. By some estimates, he has amassed more than $70 million from his boxing alone. That amount does not include his other business ventures or endorsements.

"(Pacquiao) gives so much money to charity and is such a caring person. And he does so many good works, most of which is not publicized so you don't even know about it," Arum said.

For Arum, that charity is a tangible example of Pacquiao's faith. "He's constantly calling me on the advances, on the upfront of his purse and so forth, because he spending the money on good things."

For Pacquaio it is clear he believes his success comes from God. "Everything that I have done, that is possible in my mind, He has made possible."

Arum and Roach both say Pacquiao's faith in God is as helpful to him in the ring as his lighting-fast fists and quick feet. Arum said Pacquiao sees himself as part of God's plan, laid out in front of him so nearly nothing bothers him.

"When he lost to (Erik) Morales he said he knew it was God's decision," Roach said. "He accepts it well." That was the last fight Pacquiao lost, in 2005. He went on to beat him two more times after that.

And that ability to move on quickly has paid big dividends.

As he looks ahead to his May 7 fight in Las Vegas against Sugar Shane Mosley, the expected boxing bravado and trash talk is noticeably absent from Pacquiao.

"I'm not going to say I'm going to win yet because the fight isn't done yet. I just need to train hard and believe in God," he said.

CNN's Carol Costello and Jeremy Harlan contributed to this report

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Belief • Catholic Church • Celebrity • Charity • Christianity • Mass • Sports

soundoff (506 Responses)
  1. Jubril

    Chicken Mayweather took a good decision to run away from this guy

    February 17, 2011 at 1:14 pm |
  2. Rocky Balboa

    Cut me, Mick. Cut me!

    February 17, 2011 at 1:11 pm |
  3. zoomer

    WHY DO PEOPLE PAY TO WATCH A COUPLE OF IDIOTS BEAT THE SNOT OUTA EACH OTHER?????

    February 17, 2011 at 1:08 pm |
    • Colin

      Well, according to the believers in this hocus-pocus idea of prayer, god really likes a ringside seat and chooses sides, based on which pugalist prayed to him the most before the bout.

      And, as we speak, they are passing on the same silly beliefs to their children. Go figure!!!

      February 17, 2011 at 1:11 pm |
    • Steve the real one

      Because it's not free?

      February 17, 2011 at 1:13 pm |
    • Haemisch

      @ Colin

      And yet you fail to see that atheists pass their beliefs to their children as well. Madeline Murray O'Hare was not a very good exapmle of humility or reason to her children. Why don't you complain about her?

      If God chooses sides at all, it is for the betterment of the man. In winning and in losing there may be a lesson to be learned. God frustrates the proud and gives grace to the humle. Manny's faith may be simple, but as he works out his own faith, God will teach him what he needs to know. It's a process.

      February 17, 2011 at 1:20 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Blessed are the parent(s) who teach their children Jesus' wisdom.

      Amen.

      February 17, 2011 at 4:57 pm |
    • Bob

      > Blessed are the parent(s) who teach their children Jesus' wisdom.'

      Yep, like if a bully takes your lunch money and beats you up, the only logical response is to forgive him and offer him some more money the next day.

      February 17, 2011 at 6:36 pm |
  4. leroy

    MAYWEATHER > MANNY

    February 17, 2011 at 1:01 pm |
  5. MannyHM

    Pacquiao is really one decent fellow. He knows he is blest with a mighty punch that can kill. He thanks the Almighty Giver for that. Deep in his heart he doesn't want anyone to be killed or badly hurt by his deadly talent hence he prays. I thought Ricky Hutton of UK will never get up. He doesn't want to continue punishing Margarito in the last few rounds.

    February 17, 2011 at 12:59 pm |
  6. exudus19

    Lord forgive these faithless people for they do not know what they're thinking and typing in this new world we live in. I pray to thee that you forgive them with this heartful prayer & may u remember me for being humble & brave to glorify thy name.

    I believe in God,
    the Father Almighty,
    Creator of Heaven and earth.

    I believe in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord,
    who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
    born of the Virgin Mary,
    suffered under Pontius Pilate,
    was crucified, died and was buried.
    He descended to the dead.
    On the third day, He rose again.
    He ascended to Heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
    He will come again to judge the living and the dead.

    I believe in the Holy Spirit,
    the Holy Catholic Church,
    the communion of saints,
    the forgiveness of sins,
    the resurrection of the body,
    and life everlasting. Amen.

    February 17, 2011 at 12:51 pm |
  7. Brandy Lynn

    I wonder if some of the God-Fearers below are the same people that post those genuinely awful comments about the Obamas ??? 😛

    February 17, 2011 at 12:48 pm |
    • Steve the real one

      I wonder if some of the God-Fearers below are the same people that post those genuinely awful comments about the Obamas ???
      -----------
      Perhaps or could it be less than God-haters who posted awful comments about the Bushs 😦

      February 17, 2011 at 2:09 pm |
  8. Chris

    That's what you call FAITH! Believe in something... they just have to do there best and God will do the rest. In Pacquiao's faith, there's a reason for everything.... 1 winner and 1 loser.

    February 17, 2011 at 12:47 pm |
  9. RockaButzer

    I used to pray before punching....got the b'jesus knocked out of me!!!!!!!

    February 17, 2011 at 12:40 pm |
  10. Colin

    So, let me get this straight. He silently asks for victory in the fight. A being powerful enough to create the entire Universe and its billions of galaxies reads his mind (or "hears his prayers"' to the extent you see a difference) and then intervenes in the fight to increase the liklihood of his victory.

    Somehow "oh come on" just doesn't quite capture it!

    I can understand poorly educated people in the Phillipines believing this sky-fairy hocus-pocus, but the educated have no excuse.

    February 17, 2011 at 12:37 pm |
    • Godless

      DING DING DING! We have a winner! Very well put...

      February 17, 2011 at 12:47 pm |
    • Joe

      You have a one dimensional view of people and of God... very enlightening.

      February 17, 2011 at 12:53 pm |
    • Colin

      Joe, don't just criticize without backing it up. Where did I go wrong? The mind reading or the intervention? Where?

      Look, fact is that when you strip relgious claims of their self-serving nomenclature and call them out for what they are, they pretty quickly reveal themselves to be child-ish nons-ense.

      February 17, 2011 at 12:55 pm |
    • Haemisch

      It more falls under the category of "Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it to as unto the Lord." Giving one's talents to God is not the same as the silliness that you suggest. The man has given his talent to God. He publically proclaims this fact. In that God is glorified. That is the point.

      February 17, 2011 at 1:00 pm |
    • Colin

      @Hameish. Not quite sure I follow why a being powerful enough to create the Universe would need "talents" given to him. Nevertheless, I note that you did not take issue with my two core skepticisms – the mind reading and the intervention.

      February 17, 2011 at 1:03 pm |
    • Haemisch

      You start with the premise that there is no God, so you come to a conclusion based on that. However, there is no guessing or mind reading involved when you have a relationship with him.

      February 17, 2011 at 1:13 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      You start with the premise that there are no faeries, so you come to a conclusion based on that. However, there is no guessing or mind reading involved when you have a relationship with them.

      February 17, 2011 at 1:16 pm |
    • not a terorist

      colin@ that means u don't believe in god and u believe so much in the universe???...if u believe on something like pacquiao and us his fans that means u believe in God...that's godliness...capish!..

      February 17, 2011 at 1:18 pm |
    • Mike

      Well, the followers of supernatural mumbo jumbo tend towards being described in one dimension. Not our fault.

      February 17, 2011 at 1:29 pm |
    • baguio boy

      colin@ God is a spirit and powerfull that means He can do everything at one time and He always has time for you and everyone in the universe...If you don't believe that, then you're a psychotic and brainwashed aethiest....

      February 17, 2011 at 1:29 pm |
    • Colin

      @baguio Boy. So, I am brainwashed and psychotic because I DON'T believe there is a creator of the Universe who personally reads Manny Pacquiao's mind, likes what Manny thinks and then intervenes in his fight to help him win.

      You believers are a funny lot.

      February 17, 2011 at 1:36 pm |
    • Pedro

      Colin, you are a funny little person. Where in the whole article does it say that he prays to do anything or to receive anything? I do not remember reading anything that says what he prays about. Please don't read the bible, you'll only screw things up even more. Anyone who says "Ding ding, well put" to your comments of "hocus pocus, sky fairy" IS educated? I am a believer in Jesus Christ and i must say that i TRY praying everyday for understanding of God's will and not my own. I must also say that a lot RELIGIOUS people (which i am not) "pray" to aquire things that they do not yet have. If every person prayed for victory you would have 50% of the people dissapointed 100% of the time. When will we begin to tolerate different opinions and live in harmony with one another? When we decide to take the plank out of our own eyes. Colin i sincerely wish you the best

      February 17, 2011 at 2:03 pm |
  11. Mike

    What sets him apart are the steroids.

    February 17, 2011 at 12:33 pm |
    • Bisdak62

      ha,ha,ha unfounded! Are you a mayweather fan?

      February 17, 2011 at 12:46 pm |
    • sammy

      Im sure they are all on some sort of steroids. But check out the speed of those hands!

      February 17, 2011 at 2:07 pm |
  12. Joe

    A Champion of the faith

    February 17, 2011 at 12:27 pm |
  13. exudus19

    BOB, May God have mercy on you and may u remember this comment before your last breath in this temporary world. Think & pause to reflect coz this comment might save your SOUL brother. God bless you : )

    February 17, 2011 at 12:24 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      Yep, that was pretty inspirational..*burp*

      February 17, 2011 at 12:42 pm |
    • Bob.

      > BOB, May God have mercy on you and may u remember this comment before your last breath in this temporary world. Think & pause to reflect coz this comment might save your SOUL brother. God bless you : )

      Yes, how silly of me. If I live my life, do good works for the poor, help elderly people across the street and generally try to make the world a better place for whomever I meet yet don't accept Jesus, I go to hell where I will burn forever.

      However, if I kill people, steal, torture babies then set them on fire, demolish buildings and spread the plague, it's all ok if I repent and believe before I die. In that case I go to heaven.

      Where is the justice one might ask? Another valid question is how vain is God to send a good person to hell for not acknowledging him, but will send a horrid excuse for a human being to eternal bliss for saying "yo God, I'm sorry bro, I believes in ya".

      Makes perfect sense to me!

      February 17, 2011 at 2:52 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Yes, Bob. It's a crap shoot whether you'll continue to do good all on your own without learning, comprehending and abiding in His wisdom that is true for eternity.

      One day, one week Bob does good. Then one day Bob spots a running Lamborghini filled with gas, a pile of cash on the passenger seat, a cooler iced with some of his favorite liquids. No one is around to see. What does Bob do next? Remember, Bob refuses to learn Jesus' truth.

      And the decision is??? (drum roll please)!

      February 17, 2011 at 4:49 pm |
    • Bob

      > One day, one week Bob does good. Then one day Bob spots a running Lamborghini filled with gas, a pile of cash on the passenger seat, a cooler iced with some of his favorite liquids. No one is around to see. What does Bob do next? Remember, Bob refuses to learn Jesus' truth. And the decision is??? (drum roll please)!

      That you're either an awesome troll or the largest moron I have ever seen on the internet. And that is quite an accomplishment. Believe me.

      As for the answer, I wouldn't steal the car.

      February 17, 2011 at 6:35 pm |
  14. Pancho Villa

    What sets Manny apart from the others, is that he maintains his equilibrium inside and outside the ring. So he doesn't get a big head. He is a paid professional, who trains hard and shows up to fight whoever the next guy in line happens to be.

    He doesn't need to trash talk or try to belittle an opponent. He has instead raised the sport to a level never seen before. A filipino boxer, humble in the tradition of the filipino people, who praises his opponent and promisess to do his best to put on a good show for boxing fans.

    Oh how I wish there were more like him,

    Mabuhay ng pilipinas

    February 17, 2011 at 12:20 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Pancho, he really must have learned, comprehended and applied God's wisdom to his life.

      Amen.

      February 17, 2011 at 4:38 pm |
    • rickmeister

      Manny Pacquiao is a true sportsman whereas Floyd Mayweather Jr. is a horrible human being.

      February 19, 2011 at 3:25 pm |
  15. JOHN S

    Manny must not have heard of the facts of evolution.

    February 17, 2011 at 12:19 pm |
    • Joe

      Yes, it appears so. If he had, he would be saying I am the greatest... I did it all by myself.

      February 17, 2011 at 12:29 pm |
    • john

      FACTS! Facts don't keep changing.

      February 17, 2011 at 12:43 pm |
    • Haemisch

      You mean like the fact of the Piltdown chicken?

      February 17, 2011 at 1:08 pm |
    • Magic

      Haemisch.

      Where are your 'holy' tablets? The most important evidence of the finger of "God" ... oops, we lost 'em.

      February 17, 2011 at 1:38 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Ha, ha John S. Some of your relatives are still in the jungles or captured behind bars at the zoo with the theory you believe in.

      It must get tiresome scrapping those knuckles on the ground as you limp?

      Just asking.

      February 17, 2011 at 4:36 pm |
    • Bob

      > Some of your relatives are still in the jungles or captured behind bars at the zoo with the theory you believe in.

      Some of your very distant relatives are still in the jungles or in zoos according to the theory that is founded upon evolutoinary law, biochemistry, cell theory, archelology, anthropology, anatomy, genetics and many more. Clearly I don't believe in such things because despite being able to go out and see these for myself, I prefer to believe in a book where God talks to people via burning bush and has no testable methodology or proof.

      You get an F for intelligence. I bet your were homeschooled.

      February 17, 2011 at 6:30 pm |
  16. Jeremy

    Manny Pacquiao is a humble, good-hearted, God-fearing athlete. It is becoming more rare to find athletes like him these days. Keep it up Pacman, you are already a legend.

    February 17, 2011 at 12:13 pm |
    • derp

      Who beats the crap out of people for money.

      Veeeerrrryyyy Christian.

      February 18, 2011 at 11:48 am |
  17. exudus19

    GOD IS GOOD ALL THE TIME! Be joyous and thankful for everything you have and always be HUMBLE for whatever SUCCESS u received. God is giving us clue right now through our RECENT sports hero #1 Pound for Pound CHAMP. GOD bless us all again and may this simple and humble comment touches those whose HEART are cold to thy BOUNTY. Amen

    February 17, 2011 at 12:12 pm |
    • Bob.

      God created sin. Sin is evil. Therefore God is not good all the time.

      Your entire post destroyed in three sentences. How does it feel?

      February 17, 2011 at 12:14 pm |
    • Lindsay

      Bob, you are incorrect about what God did, and did not create. Read the Bible once in a while...

      February 17, 2011 at 12:19 pm |
    • David Johnson

      Hmmm... God is good.?

      God directly or at His insistence, murdered men, women and children including babies. Is this good? Is this moral?

      God had a man believe he was going to sacrifice his son to Him. Do you know how traumatic that would be for a father and his son?
      If you had the power would you do this? Would you be so insecure? Is this good? Is this moral?

      There was a man who loved God. God made a bet with Satan that even if the man were tortured, his Possessions taken, and his children killed, he would still love God and never curse Him. God won the bet.
      Would you do that? Would you kill a man's children for a bet? Is this good? Is this moral?

      God sent a bear to kill a group of children, because they had teased one of His prophets.
      Did the children deserve to die, because they teased a bald man? Is this good? Is this moral?

      God allowed a man to sacrifice his daughter to Him, for giving the man a victory in battle.
      Is this good? Is this moral?

      God created a place He can send people to be burned for all eternity. Could an all good god do this?

      If a puppy wet on the floor, would you hold it over a burner? Even for a second?

      Jesus had this to say:
      Matthew 7:17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
      Luke 6:43 "No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit.

      A good god can't do evil things!

      Why is there so much suffering/evil if god is omnibenevolent and omnipotent?

      Either god doesn't care or He does not exist. Which one gets your vote? LOL!

      February 17, 2011 at 12:30 pm |
    • Parro

      Single greatest response of all time. Simple logic backed by fact is the typical garrote for bringing down illogicals but your method works just as superbly. cheers to you

      February 17, 2011 at 12:30 pm |
    • Bible thumper

      Yes these things ARE good as they are from GOD. Your simple mind cannot fatham the hugness of Gods plans. We as sinners are worthy of death and hell, but thankfully Jesus died for us if we will only accept His gift. Gods plans are always perfect, even if we dont understand them or agree with them. We are simple people, not all knowing God as He is.

      February 17, 2011 at 12:52 pm |
    • Haemisch

      @David Johnson

      The giving and taking of life is God's perogative, plain and simple. It is not evil for him to take life. It is eveil for us to do so, because that is taking God's perogative. God will not take life indiscriminately; He does so for the sake of justice. It is his perogative to take any life at any time. The fact that tyour own life has not been taken is because of his mercy on you. The wage of sin is death and since we have all sinned, we all die. When where or how is his choice for reasons left to himself alone. Your anger cannot impune him.

      February 17, 2011 at 12:54 pm |
    • nothingwithoutHIM

      @David Johnson: I'm your huckleberry..lol

      Hmmm... God is good.? Of Course he is.

      God directly or at His insistence, murdered men, women and children including babies. Is this good? Is this moral? As God, he may reserve the right to do anything he wants to us. We would'nt be here, if it wasn't for him.We should simply say thank you for the few years he gives us to enjoy everything that we choose to enjoy while we have life.

      God had a man believe he was going to sacrifice his son to Him. Do you know how traumatic that would be for a father and his son?..I'm a father, this would have been really traumatic for me, but I trust in HIM, that he would have comforted me just as he did Abraham.
      If you had the power would you do this? This is why we are not God.
      Would you be so insecure? We all insecurities.
      Is this good? What God does with his power is on him.
      Is this moral? Who are we to judge God and his actions? The morals I do have, they all came from HIM.
      There was a man who loved God. God made a bet with Satan that even if the man were tortured, his Possessions taken, and his children killed, he would still love God and never curse Him. God won the bet.
      Would you do that? We wouldn't have to power to anyways, so why worry over something not possible.
      Would you kill a man's children for a bet? Thou shall not kill is the commandment given to humans.What are God commandments? who knows?
      Is this good? still asking?
      Is this moral? please reference last answer.
      God sent a bear to kill a group of children, because they had teased one of His prophets.
      Did the children deserve to die, because they teased a bald man? We all will be judged eventually.
      Is this good? how many times you repeat this question?just asking?
      Is this moral? please reference above answers.
      God allowed a man to sacrifice his daughter to Him, for giving the man a victory in battle.
      Is this good? I think you should ask God these questions.
      Is this moral? If you believe in God.
      God created a place He can send people to be burned for all eternity. Could an all good god do this? He can do whatever he wants, He's the boss. Just say thank you,and pray you dont end up burning for eternity.
      If a puppy wet on the floor, would you hold it over a burner? Even for a second?I wouldn't but Michael Vick might.
      Jesus had this to say:
      Matthew 7:17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
      Luke 6:43 "No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit.

      A good god can't do evil things! God is God. I don't need adjectives.

      Why is there so much suffering/evil if god is omnibenevolent and omnipotent? Obviously, mankind has brought this upon ourselves. God allows us to make choices as well.
      Either god doesn't care or He does not exist. Which one gets your vote? LOL!
      God does care and wishes and hopes we choice good over evil. He hopes and wishes we chose him.
      God gave you the power of choice as well. The choices you make will certainly have consequences. Read over Job again, Job asks God questions as well. But God's answers were simple, sumed up, Job is not God and you sir are not as well.

      February 17, 2011 at 1:08 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      nothingwithoutHIM,
      Basically, evil is good if your god does it. Sounds like the logic of your typical psychopath.

      February 17, 2011 at 1:13 pm |
    • Mason

      Assuming God is real, who is to decide what is good or not? God did not create sin, sin came about through the free will of mankind. No person is worthy of God, and everyone deserves punishment, for sin is an abomination in his eyes. Through the sacrifice of His Son, salvation can be achieved through grace.

      February 17, 2011 at 1:23 pm |
    • Mike

      God exists? Well then he created punctuation and rules of capitalization: please use them. Why is it that Team Christ® has an utter disregard for grammar, spelling, and punctuation?

      February 17, 2011 at 1:27 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      There are very few gods of man that would be worthy of worship if they actually existed. Even if I did believe in one for some reason I'd end up on its sh.tlist since I could not possibly feel any respect for it and pretending to would hardly fool it.

      February 17, 2011 at 1:34 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Haemisch

      You said: "God will not take life indiscriminately; He does so for the sake of justice. "

      So, when god allowed Satan to kill Job's children to win a bet, that was justice? It is just for a god to have no regard for human life?

      Josha 20:21
      20 When the trumpets sounded, the army shouted, and at the sound of the trumpet, when the men gave a loud shout, the wall collapsed; so everyone charged straight in, and they took the city. 21 They devoted the city to the LORD and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it—men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys.

      That's men, women, children (including babies) and animals. All were killed, at the insistence of god. Is that justice?

      God killed all the first born of Egypt. Is that justice?

      God had bears kill children who teased a bald man. Is that Justice? The kids deserved death?

      Num. 31:15-18
      15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the LORD in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the LORD’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. This is your just god???

      1 Samuel 15:3
      3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’” Genocide is just? In what reality?

      Lev. 25:44-46
      44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly. Slavery? What is just about allowing slavery?

      God is not a just god. He kills because He can? And you accept that? Pfui!!

      Cheers!

      It is his perogative to take any life at any time. The fact that tyour own life has not been taken is because of his mercy on you. The wage of sin is death and since we have all sinned, we all die. When where or how is his choice for reasons left to himself alone. Your anger cannot impune him.

      February 17, 2011 at 2:11 pm |
    • Kyle

      David, David, David. How's it going? I see your still on the "Belief" section, trying to proselytize.

      The fact that "God is good" is exactly the point. I don't know what you do all day, but my job is to create things. There are many things that I deem good that I keep, and many things that maybe didn't turn out so well that I throw in the trash. Is it my right to do that? Is it immoral? No. Because my creations do not have the same status as I do. Have you ever thrown any of your creations in the trash? Does that make you immoral? If one of your creations spit in your face or hurt you in any way, you might give it some time and try to correct it. But if it weren't corrected, it would most likely end up in the trash heap.

      You see, we indicate just what type of a god we would be every day. We are materialistic and wasteful. We destroy things on a daily basis with no thought, and move on to the next thing. Think about it.

      Holding a puppy over a flame is not the same. It would be immoral. Because you are not the creator of that puppy. You are merely a caretaker of that life.

      God is SO good that we do not meet up to his standards. But, this is where it gets good for us. He sent Jesus to take the place of our punishment and has extended that gift to us. So, he gives us a CHOICE of where we want to go. He doesn't SEND us anywhere. Where have you chosen to go?

      February 17, 2011 at 2:15 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Bible Thumper

      Read my comment to Haemisch.

      Your god is vile.

      Cheers!

      February 17, 2011 at 2:17 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      So much for the concept of a caring god. I guess humans are of no more value to it than clay is to a sculptor. Oops this one didn't turn out quite right, toss. Hey, I think I'll torture this bit of clay first and make all the other clay feel bad too. As a matter of fact, this claycame out so bad I won't just get rid of it, I'll torture it for eternity!

      Actually, the only humans comparable to a god are sadistic psychopaths.

      February 17, 2011 at 2:26 pm |
    • Magic

      Kyle,

      "...many things that maybe didn't turn out so well that I throw in the trash."
      and
      "If one of your creations spit in your face or hurt you in any way, you might give it some time and try to correct it."

      The problem (one of them) with this is that you claim that your "God" is perfect... omniscient and omnipotent. It therefore cannot make a mistake. If something (someone) turns out wrong, this "God" knew it ahead of time... and created it anyway. Yes, that is vile.

      February 17, 2011 at 2:29 pm |
    • civiloutside

      Keith, are you honestly asserting a moral equivalence between god torturing and killing people, and a carpenter throwing a defective chair in the trash?

      February 17, 2011 at 2:32 pm |
    • civiloutside

      My apologies, Kyle, for refering to you by the wrong name.

      February 17, 2011 at 2:35 pm |
    • Bob.

      > Bob, you are incorrect about what God did, and did not create. Read the Bible once in a while...

      Maybe you should think once in a while. How can God create everything and not create something?

      Good luck with that.

      February 17, 2011 at 2:46 pm |
    • Bob.

      > The fact that "God is good" is exactly the point. I don't know what you do all day, but my job is to create things. There are many things that I deem good that I keep, and many things that maybe didn't turn out so well that I throw in the trash. Is it my right to do that? Is it immoral? No. Because my creations do not have the same status as I do.

      The fact that you assert that status is the main concern as to whether you can destroy someone (in God's case) shows how morally bankrupt you actaully are. God doesn't have the right to destroy us simply because he created us. No more then a parent has a right to destroy their child because "They created it".

      February 17, 2011 at 2:48 pm |
    • Godless

      "If one of your creations spit in your face or hurt you in any way, you might give it some time and try to correct it. But if it weren't corrected, it would most likely end up in the trash heap."

      If one of my creations (children) hurt me in some way, I would try to correct it. I would not throw my creation (children) in the trash heap, unlike what your all loving god apparently does.

      February 17, 2011 at 2:51 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Kyle

      I see your time away, has not improved your I.Q.

      You said: "There are many things that I deem good that I keep, and many things that maybe didn't turn out so well that I throw in the trash. Is it my right to do that? Is it immoral? No. Because my creations do not have the same status as I do."

      Your analogy is beyond ignorant. Your creations are not sentient beings. The people god murdered, were. Your argument is identical to the other religious nut I already answered.

      God kills, just because He can? If this is true, then morality is based merely upon God's whim. So, god decided it was moral to have his chosen people commit genocide. Or practice slavery.

      Exodus 32:14 is first - And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

      I Chronicles 21:15 - And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the LORD beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD stood by the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite

      Genesis 3:22
      22 And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

      If this passage is true, then humans must have the same idea of what is good and bad, as god. Hmmm...

      Good and evil is independent of god's will. When god does a thing, He knows if his action is right or wrong. So, there must be a standard outside of god's will.

      So, morality is anterior even to god. God is good only, if He always acts in a moral fashion. And often He does not.

      On the puppy:

      I am not the puppy's creator, but because I'm stronger, the puppy is subject to my morals.
      Humans, because god is stronger, are subject to god's morals. Doesn't matter if He created us or not.

      My morals are superior to your god's. He would hold a human over the burner. I would not hurt the puppy.

      Cheers!

      You said: " he gives us a CHOICE of where we want to go. He doesn't SEND us anywhere."

      So when a person is placed under the lash or upon the rack, he brought it upon himself?

      No matter how hideous the penalty, the person applying the punishment bears no guilt?
      Did no one fashion the lash or devise the rack? Create the Hell?

      You claim, that god doesn't send you to hell, you send yourself to hell. Make no mistake. God sends people to hell.

      Believers always want to give their god a pass on evil. Satan does it, humans are responsible, etc.

      February 17, 2011 at 3:08 pm |
    • Kyle

      David,

      God gave us a choice of whether to believe him or not. He did not create us imperfect, but he created us with a free will. Mankind has chosen to be rebellious. Is that God's fault, if we've chosen that route? No. Our choices do not make God just or unjust.

      Yes, he knew what would happen and planned our redemption. He is constantly trying to nudge us, to correct our course. He gives us chance after chance, and some of choose to shake our fist in his face.

      February 17, 2011 at 3:11 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Kyle

      You said: "God gave us a choice of whether to believe him or not. He did not create us imperfect, but he created us with a free will."

      If God knows the future, that means that the future is predictable and immutable. This, in turn, means that our actions are predetermined. If god is all knowing, free will is an illusion.

      This also binds god, in that He knows what he will do in the future, and He must do it.

      The 6 point Calvinists believe our fates are sealed, even before we are born. This would mean that god allows humans to be born, knowing they will someday burn forever. Seems wrong to me, somehow.

      If god has a plan for each of us, then that sort of screws up our free will.

      Jeremiah 29:11
      For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.

      The Bible says, "You saw me before I was born and scheduled each day of my life before I began to breathe. Every day was recorded in your book!" [Psalm 139:16]

      Let's look at Jesus and his predictions that Judas would betray him and Peter would deny him.

      Those were future events. Do you think Judas could have used his free will to opt out? Not if Jesus/God was omniscient. Same goes for Peter.

      The actions of Peter and Judas were predestined. They had no choice.

      What about the child who is murdered by a monster, or a people slaughtered by a stronger opponent (or a god)? Did they choose to be harmed? Where was their free will? These acts show that the strong or the people in power have greater free will than their victims. Hmmm...

      There is no evidence that a god gives or safeguards human will.

      You said: "Mankind has chosen to be rebellious. Is that God's fault, if we've chosen that route? No. Our choices do not make God just or unjust."

      So, god created us imperfect. And His "fix" for our imperfection, was to apply tons of suffering? Go God!

      Perhaps you missed this:

      So when a person is placed under the lash or upon the rack, he brought it upon himself?

      No matter how hideous the penalty, the person applying the punishment bears no guilt?
      Did no one fashion the lash or devise the rack? Create the Hell?

      You claim, that god doesn't send you to hell, you send yourself to hell. Make no mistake. God sends people to hell.

      Believers always want to give their god a pass on evil. Satan does it, humans are responsible, etc. Pfui!!

      Cheers!

      February 17, 2011 at 3:24 pm |
    • Godless

      @ Kyle: Did god create other sentient beings on other planets too? What if we hear from ET next week? What if they are not Christian? Will they be in hell too? What if they somehow ARE Christian (and follow the correct version of Christianity) – will they be in heaven with you?

      February 17, 2011 at 3:30 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      True Bob and God also created FREE WILL to follow and love Him or follow and love satan.

      He tests you Bob all the time and you constantly fail on this blog because you refuse to learn His wisdom.

      February 17, 2011 at 4:32 pm |
    • Bob

      > True Bob and God also created FREE WILL to follow and love Him or follow and love satan.

      The characteristics of God do now allow us to have free will. Perhaps you should read your bible and see for yourself.

      OH that's right. You don't think about what the bible says. You merely accept it.

      In the bible it says Jesus was born before year 0. It also says he was born after year 0. He must have been born twice. HERP DERP HERP.

      February 17, 2011 at 6:26 pm |
    • kyle

      Guys,

      First of all, conceiving a child is not "creating" it.

      Second, let's be respectful here. I am not going to insult your intelligence. Don't insult mine. We simply don't agree and we'll all see who's right in the end. Until then, we all have to live on the same planet.

      God didn't make a mistake when he created us. He created us perfectly and allowed us to make decisions on our own. We chose to make some rebellious decisions. He didn't say "Ooops, well that one didn't work out." He is constantly trying to nudge us toward the truth. Sometimes he has to nudge us a little harder. Sometimes he has to punish to get us back on track. Even still, we can choose to listen or not to listen.

      I would say that trashing a project is a crude example, but it is works because God is on so much of a different plane. It's relative. It's hard to understand in our finite minds. He is infinite. We are finite. We can't even fathom how much of a separation there is.

      David, a creation is a creation...sentient or not. If you have the ability to create, your creation is always much inferior to you in many ways. Our consciousness is like a piece of wood's consciousness compared to God's. It's hard to fathom. To be completely candid, I'm not sure we'll understand his immenseness when we experience it in person.

      Death, in general, would not be a part of the equation if it weren't for the fall of humankind. Romans 3:23 says, "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." The first people decided to go down the path of rebellion, and death is the consequence. But God, in his love, is giving us a second chance...and a third...and a fourth...All we have to do is believe in Him. It's really pretty simple.

      I always hear "God is a God of love", and that's true. But God is also a God of Justice. He set up the rules and has been pretty clear about what the rewards and consequences are. And he follows through with them. We know what to expect, but still think we can get away with it. He is also a God of mercy. So much so, that he sent Jesus to take the place of our penalty, so that we don't have to pay a thing if we follow what he says. He extends this gift to ANYONE.

      In the case of the judgments in the Old Testament, we all die. We don't know how or when we are going to die. In these cases, these nations chose to have a rebellious stance against God, and he chose to punish them right then.

      Let's get back to the puppy and the idea of murder.
      Firstly, the puppy may be SUBJECTED to your morals, but he is not SUBJECT to your morals. In other words, you can hold him over the fire, but you cannot make him agree to it. You cannot WILL that he doesn't squirm.

      Secondly, killing a dog, or any other animal that is on a lower plane than humans, is not considered murder. Likewise, God taking the life of a human is also not considered murder. Murder is the killing of one human being by another. God is not human. Therefore he cannot commit murder. The principle is that only God gives life, and only he can take it away. We don't give life to anything, so we can't take it away. When a baby is born, we don't give it life. It already has it. We are charged to sustain it.

      Just because God knows the future, does not mean it is predetermined. That is not even a logical statement. Foreknowing and predetermining are two distinctly different things. Let's say I'm on the twelfth floor of a building, and I see you walking down the street. I see you come to an intersection. You can't see or hear it from where you're from, but a semi is barreling down the road toward the intersection. I can see that, if you don't change course, you'll be a smear on the pavement in a few seconds. Does my foreknowledge of that accident mean that I have predetermined it?

      God does know exactly what he will do in the future. You are exactly right. One, he can foresee it. Two, he knows his own character and what he would do in any given situation. He also has a plan for each one of us. It's just a matter of whether or not we follow that plan. If you notice his plan is to bless us, if only we follow his leading.

      Six point Calvinists are not taking a lot of references into account. 2 Peter 3:9 says, God is"not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." His will is to see all humankind to believe in him. But he doesn't make us. What he wills and what we do are two different things. Therefore, we have a choice.

      Peter and Judas both had a choice. Again, Jesus foreknew. He didn't make them do it. You can know somebody's character so well that you could tell me what they would do in a given situation. Jesus could do that, only with more certainty.

      Your paragraph on "If a child is killed by a monster..." has nothing to do with free will. Everyone's free will is equal. I would say that by his free will, the monster would kill the child, and the child, by his free will, would try to get out of that situation. Each person uses their free will to do as they please. Some for good. Some for bad.

      About being put on the rack...The Bible says that God initially created Hell for the Devil and his angels. It was for those that rebelled against him. Humankind joined in on that fight, and we found out that our consequence was no different. God has given us a pretty clear set of instructions on how to escape that consequence. So we can either choose to follow that path or not. Do you believe or not? It's your choice.

      About your point about Exodus 32:14 and other passages...
      The words "repent" and "evil" used in the first two verses are the Old English use of the words. That was the language as it was four hundred years ago. If you go to the Hebrew text, the words in today's language would be closer to "sorrowful" and "harm." "Harm" would be much like the word "violence." "Violence," as a stand-alone word might have a negative connotation, but you may have to use violence to protect your family from an attacking wild animal. Then, the outcome would be good. That's a long way of saying, that God sometimes has to (in today's vernacular) hit us upside the head to get our attention. If we choose the right response to that, the outcome is good. There's a saying, "Sometimes, the only way some people look up is to be flat on their back."

      February 18, 2011 at 3:15 am |
    • kyle

      @ godless
      " Did god create other sentient beings on other planets too? What if we hear from ET next week? What if they are not Christian? Will they be in hell too? What if they somehow ARE Christian (and follow the correct version of Christianity) – will they be in heaven with you?"

      I don't know why I feel compelled to answer your hypotheticals, but here it goes...

      No, I don't believe God created beings on other planets. Do you believe in ETs? I always find it ironic that people have no problem believing in ETs , and have such a problem believing in God.

      For your information, Romans 8:22 says, "For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now." If you look at the context surrounding that verse, the cause of groaning and travailing is because of humankind's sin. So what it's saying is, the whole universe is affected by our sin. Therefore, if there were beings on other planets, they are in need of salvation, as well. Jesus would have to go to die on there planet, too. The Bible clearly states that "Jesus died once and for all."

      February 18, 2011 at 3:43 am |
    • nothingwithoutHIM

      Well said Kyle.I agree.

      February 18, 2011 at 2:57 pm |
    • Maybe

      kyle,

      "Peter and Judas both had a choice. Again, Jesus foreknew. He didn't make them do it. You can know somebody's character so well that you could tell me what they would do in a given situation. Jesus could do that, only with more certainty."

      If Peter and Judas had not done what Jesus predicted, Jesus would have been wrong... how could an omniscient "God" be wrong?

      February 18, 2011 at 4:37 pm |
    • kyle

      @ maybe,
      "If Peter and Judas had not done what Jesus predicted, Jesus would have been wrong... how could an omniscient "God" be wrong?"

      Yes he would be wrong if what he predicted was wrong. It would be evidence against his deity. But that is not what happened. So, by saying that his wrong prediction would disprove his deity, you are also implying, conversely, that if his prediction was correct, it proves his deity. Thank you.
      Again, he did not make the decision for them, but he knew what they would do in advance. Foreknowledge is passive. Predestination is active. Big difference.

      February 18, 2011 at 6:53 pm |
    • Magic

      kyle,

      There a few things possibly proved by this: (hint: Jesus' deity is not one of them)

      1. Peter was pretty stupid. Don't you think if he thought the almighty "God" had predicted that he would deny him thrice, that he would have been a little more careful - Denial #1, "Oops!"; Denial #2, "Dang, I'd better be careful!"... then, what does he do?

      2. Peter just did it to try and prove to others that Jesus' words were true.

      3. The whole story was made up by 1st century evangelists to promote their new religion.

      February 18, 2011 at 7:17 pm |
  18. camdish

    Read and you will understand....

    “187. And remember Allah took a Covenant from the People of the Book, to make it known and clear to mankind, and not to hide it; but they threw it away behind their backs, and purchased with it some miserable gain! And vile was the bargain they made!
    188. Think not that those who exult in what they have brought about, and love to be praised for what they have not done,- think not that they can escape the penalty. For them is a penalty grievous indeed.
    189. To Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth; and Allah hath power over all things.
    190. Behold! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the alternation of night and day,- there are indeed Signs for men of understanding,-
    191. Men who celebrate the praises of Allah, standing, sitting, and lying down on their sides, and contemplate the (wonders of) creation in the heavens and the earth, (with the thought): "Our Lord! Not for naught Hast Thou created (all) this! Glory to Thee! Give us salvation from the Chastisement of the Fire."
    192. "Our Lord! any whom Thou dost admit to the Fire, truly Thou coverest with shame, and never will wrong-doers find any helpers!
    193. "Our Lord! we have heard the call of one calling (us) to Faith, 'Believe ye in the Lord,' and we have believed. Our Lord! Forgive us our sins, blot out from us our iniquities, and take to Thyself our souls in the company of the righteous.
    194. "Our Lord! Grant us what Thou didst promise unto us through Thine messengers, and save us from shame on the Day of Judgment: For Thou never breakest Thy promise."
    195. And their Lord hath accepted of them, and answered them: "Never will I suffer to be lost the work of any of you, be he male or female: Ye are members, one of another: Those who have left their homes, or been driven out therefrom, or suffered harm in My Cause, or fought or been slain,- verily, I will blot out from them their iniquities, and admit them into Gardens with rivers flowing beneath;- A reward from Allah, and from Allah is the best of rewards."
    196. Let not the strutting about of the unbelievers through the land deceive thee:
    197. Little is it for enjoyment: Their ultimate abode is Hell: what an evil bed (to lie on)!
    198. On the other hand, for those who fear their Lord, are Gardens, with rivers flowing beneath; therein are they to dwell (for ever),- a gift from Allah; and that which is from Allah is the best (bliss) for the righteous.
    199. And there are, certainly, among the People of the Book, those who believe in Allah, in the revelation to you, and in the revelation to them; bowing in humility to Allah: They will not sell the Signs of Allah for a miserable gain! For them is a reward with their Lord, and Allah is swift in account.
    200. O ye who believe! Persevere in patience and constancy; vie in such perseverance; strengthen each other; and fear Allah. that ye may prosper.""

    February 17, 2011 at 12:04 pm |
    • Nunya

      Hey, where is the verse in the Koran about Mohommad getting with the 9 year old girl? Keep your enlightenment to yourself. Have some pork ribs while you're at it.

      February 17, 2011 at 12:15 pm |
    • john

      @ Camdish; I had read once from what I would consider a reliable sorce, that it was unlawful to translate the Quaram into any other language then the original Arabic it was written in. Has this changed? Was I mislead? This author was a former Muslim. Not writting hate but just to help others understand the Muslim faith.

      February 17, 2011 at 12:23 pm |
    • Bible thumper

      Give the Christian Bible a try. You might find the peace, grace and forgivness offered as a fresh change of pace. Just a suggestion.

      February 17, 2011 at 12:48 pm |
    • Reality

      Read and you will understand about the real Islam:

      1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

      1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

      2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

      3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US Troops killed in action, 3,481 and 924 died in non-combat98,691 – 107,707
      Iraqi civilians killed as of 11/9/2010, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

      4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

      5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

      6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

      7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

      8. UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

      9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.

      10) – Afghanistan: US troops 1,116 killed in action, 902 killed in non-combat situations as of 08/10/2010. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror

      11) The killing of 13 citizen soldiers at Ft. Hood by a follower of the koran.

      12) 38 Russian citizens killed on March 29, 2010 by Muslim women suicide bombers.

      13) The May 28, 2010 attack on a Islamic religious minority in Pakistan, which have left 98 dead,

      14) Lockerbie is known internationally as the site where, on 21 December 1988, the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103 crashed as a result of a terrorist bomb. In the United Kingdom the event is referred to as the Lockerbie disaster, the Lockerbie bombing, or simply Lockerbie. Eleven townspeople were killed in Sherwood Crescent, where the plane's wings and fuel tanks plummeted in a fiery explosion, destroying several houses and leaving a huge crater, with debris causing damage to a number of buildings nearby. The 270 fatalities (259 on the plane, 11 in Lockerbie) were citizens of 21 nations.

      15) Followed by the daily suicide and/or roadside and/or mosque bombings every day in the terror world of Islam.

      16) Bombs sent from Yemen by followers of the koran which fortunately were discovered before the bombs were detonated.

      17) The killing of 58 Christians in a Catholic church in one of the latest acts of horror and terror in Iraq.

      18) Moscow airport suicide bombing: 35 dead, 130 injured. January 25, 2011.

      February 17, 2011 at 12:53 pm |
    • not a terorist

      allaaaah akbar.!!!!!!!!!!!!!... they always say that before they kill people...they don't know what they're reading in the koran...because koran say do good unto people and not terories or kill them... very simple and they still don't get it.!!!!... which means they're the
      dumbest people in the whole wideworld...

      February 17, 2011 at 1:11 pm |
    • derp

      "dumbest people in the whole wideworld"

      Yeah, but at least they can spell

      February 18, 2011 at 11:43 am |
  19. kung fu

    Filipino fighting system is the oldest system in history. Ju Jitsu came originally from the Phillipines. Their fighting style is extremely fast. No wonder Manny is so great

    February 17, 2011 at 11:57 am |
    • Uh No

      Ju Jitsu is based on Eagle Claw Kung Fu. That's Chinese, not Pinoy.

      February 17, 2011 at 12:21 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @kung fu & Uh No

      Being a practi-tioner of Jiu-Jitsu, as I understand it, it... originally came from the medieval samurai warriors who guarded the royalty. Later on it was taught to Helio and Carlos Gracie, and they then developed Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu or Gracie Jiu-Jitsu, as demonstrated by Royce Gracie(who I have trained with), and what is used by the champions in the U.F.C.

      If you have some other sources on this, I would be interested to hear some other lines of history on this martial art.

      Peace...

      February 17, 2011 at 1:53 pm |
  20. Jim P.

    "But Pacquiao is packing a secret weapon when he walks into the ring " So this god of his helps him beat people up for a living? Interesting. What happens when he loses? Was god on coffee break? What happens when both fighters pray before a match how does this god make a choice?

    Very silly article.

    February 17, 2011 at 11:55 am |
    • Bdub

      Pacquiao doesn't seem to think faith is silly. Considering his success and humility, do you think there's anything to be learned from him? Or is he just a silly Catholic who is completely misguided?

      And, just because we may not understand the way God works, does not mean that God isn't at work. Prayers can be answered in innumerable ways, many of which one will not realized until long after they prayed.

      Don't be condescending Jim. Even if you think God is silly, most people don't. Don't assume you're smarter than them or your life experience is any truer because you don't believe in God.

      February 17, 2011 at 12:06 pm |
    • Bisdak62

      Shut up, Jim P... leave the man alone with his faith. To each his own. Poor you, you are probably confused with your own faith... GO MANNY GO!!!

      February 17, 2011 at 12:17 pm |
    • JOHN S

      Agreed

      February 17, 2011 at 12:17 pm |
    • David

      You need to think outside the box. You clearly are not a popular person among your peers. Your comment is very pessimistic and ignorant. You need to find peace within yourself.

      February 17, 2011 at 12:23 pm |
    • Sybaris

      Something to learn? Yes, the faithful need to learn that you don't need religion to be a good person.

      As for answering prayers..........funny how not one "god" has ever regenerated the limb, digit, ear, or organ of it's obedient servant...................but it is amazing how prayers have found so many sets of car keys, cured bouts of flu, and bestowed $millions$ on the likes of Jim Baker, Oral Roberts, Benny Hin, and the Osteens.

      February 17, 2011 at 12:38 pm |
    • Phage0070

      Bdub: "Pacquiao doesn't seem to think faith is silly."
      Yes, but he gets punched in the face for a living. Do you think his success at punching people and getting punched back means we should learn something from him about the metaphysical nature of the universe?

      Apparently you do, and thats probably the stupidest thing I have heard today.

      February 17, 2011 at 12:44 pm |
    • Mike

      You mean it's a very silly article which fails to bring up those very real, and very obvious conflicts of interest that "God" has.

      It always disappoints me when the media tries appealing to the emotional power of religion in personal survival stories (eg: "I survived the hurricane because I prayed") because it immediately devalues and dehumanizes all of the people who died.

      February 17, 2011 at 12:47 pm |
    • wally

      Say that to his face dummy.

      February 17, 2011 at 12:53 pm |
    • gabriel

      if both fighter pray then god flip a coin you silly.

      February 17, 2011 at 1:07 pm |
    • Whiteboi

      God is busy punishing people to hell like you ....

      February 17, 2011 at 1:12 pm |
    • CatholicMom

      Sybaris,

      Strange what some think are reasons to pray….always about ‘self’ desires….give me back my finger, find my keys for me, give me money….always demanding, never praising, never thanking for what you already have, never loving worship to your creator, just give me, give me, give me.

      Show a little love for your neighbor…pray…give my neighbor back the use of his hand, help my neighbor find his key, give my neighbor money so he can provide for his family….

      …and then pray…do not let me be jealous of what my neighbor can do with his handicap that I can’t seem to be able to do with the use of my two strong hands; don’t let me be brokenhearted when my neighbor finds joy in receiving what he needs if I can’t find what I need; and don’t let me hate my neighbor when he gains millions of $$$ because it causes me distress that ‘he gets it’ and not me.

      Why not me???? Why not me first… at least before my neighbor???? I’m a good person!!!!

      February 17, 2011 at 1:16 pm |
    • Haemisch

      @ Sybaris

      It's not not about being a good person; it's about salvation. You may be a good man in the eyes of the world, but God is the judge of eternity. No one can save himself by his own merits. Christ shed his blood for us to that end.

      @CatholicMom Nice observation.

      February 17, 2011 at 1:26 pm |
    • Sybaris

      CatholicMom: Nice spin and kudo's for taking the high road.
      Regardless, religion, prayer, ritual, etc., etc., it's all an enormous waste of time. The pink unicorn in my closet told me so.

      February 17, 2011 at 1:29 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      Apparently, prayer can only result in something can happen without it. Prayer will never result in a unique measurable effect. If it did it would not require faith.

      February 17, 2011 at 1:30 pm |
    • Sybaris

      @ Haemisch

      I don't need saving.

      P.S. Your god lied to you

      February 17, 2011 at 1:31 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Jim P.

      I gotta laugh as to your comment about Manny, as to what happens when he loses...?

      He doesn't...really, hardly ever. He's 52-3 or something like that. Not commenting on the god issue. Just struck me as funny.

      Peace...

      Peace...

      February 17, 2011 at 1:46 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Jim P, it then depends on which boxer is applying God's wisdom to his boxing techniques. If both, then it's a draw? If that's the proper terminology.

      God teaches us His truth in all things.

      Have you learned it yet?

      February 17, 2011 at 4:26 pm |
    • derp

      As a catholic, maybe he should pray that priests stop bonking little boys. Seriously, isn't that more important than him punching people in the face?

      February 18, 2011 at 11:41 am |
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