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February 18th, 2011
10:35 AM ET

Backlash over Bieber's view on abortion

By Eric Marrapodi, Co-Editor CNN Belief Blog

In the video above, AJ Hammer from HLN's Showbiz Tonight reports that Justin Bieber is turning heads following a Rolling Stone article in which he talked about his opposition to abortion, even in cases of rape.

He told the magazine:

I really don't believe in abortion. I think [an embryo] is a human. It's like killing a baby. [In the case a rape], I think that's really sad, but everything happens for a reason. I don't know how that would be a reason. I guess I haven't been in that position, so I wouldn't be able to judge that.

The pop star has made no secret of his Christian faith over the course of his short career. In an article about his new 3D movie, "Justin Bieber: Never Say Never," Religion News Service asked if Bieber was becoming a "tween evangelist."

Scooter Braun, Bieber's manager and one of the film's producers, told the Religion News Service:

People will walk away (from the movie) knowing faith is very important to him. As a Christian, he's someone to look up to. ... When (fans) are getting the real person is when they can connect to that person.

Bieber told the Rolling Stone more about how his faith informs his career as a performer:

I feel I have an obligation to plant little seeds with my fans.  I'm not going to tell them, 'You need Jesus,' but I will say at the end of my show, 'God loves you.'

Bieber's mother, Pattie Mallette, is also outspoken about her Christian faith, regularly tweeting out Bible verses from @studiomama.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Abortion • Celebrity • Culture & Science • Culture wars • Movies • Music

soundoff (2,810 Responses)
  1. gp

    Another uninformed, mindless follower. It's a shame.

    February 19, 2011 at 5:32 pm |
  2. Tracy Maddy

    Pro abortionists are two faced and are hypocrites for the most part. On one hand when a young man like Bieber speaks up AGAINST abortion you say, "He is just a kid and doesn't know anything." "Why are we listening to a kid?" and the mindless ninnies on the view also say he is too immature to have such an opinion – AND YET!! when it comes to a young girl or young couple of the same age who are seeking an abortion the pro abotionists are the FIRST to defend their "right" to make such a decision without their parents even knowing about it citing their maturity and ability to think like adults.
    You are double minded, groundless, rootless leaves in the wind and your double talk is worthless and without substance.

    February 19, 2011 at 4:25 pm |
    • Steve (the real one)

      Well stated!

      February 19, 2011 at 4:29 pm |
    • donna

      Which poster is it that you think speaks for all pro-choicers? Do I get a vote in that if I'm a pro-choicer?

      February 19, 2011 at 4:59 pm |
  3. donna

    Your claim, "The difference is abortion, more often than not, is used in place of other birth control methods."

    Your evidence, "If you look at the numbers of how women got Pregnant you will see that 46% used NO contraception."

    1. What does 'more often than not' translate to in percentages?
    2. I have already explained that that stat ignores women who use the rhythm method or girls who are ignorant about pregnancy if it is to be used as evidence for the frequency of using abortion "in place of other birth control methods."
    3.***Even a failed attempt at birth control before conception negates the claim that it's used "in place of.."***

    February 19, 2011 at 3:45 pm |
  4. CatholicMom

    MarkinFL,
    If abortion is worthy of acceptance why wish there was never again another abortion? Gray area is lukewarm area. What did Jesus say about being lukewarm in our faith? [Revelation] He would start to vomit us out of His mouth if we are lukewarm, not cold nor hot in our faith. Being cold is not knowing the Truth yet and so one’s heart is empty; being hot is knowing Truth and living by it fully; being lukewarm is knowing the Truth but making excuses to not live by it.

    February 19, 2011 at 2:13 pm |
  5. Kyle

    The magazine misquoted him and they even said that, this is getting out of hand

    February 19, 2011 at 12:35 pm |
  6. Randy

    Way to stand up for your belief

    February 19, 2011 at 10:26 am |
  7. Amber

    The kid is SIXTEEN years old...give him a break. Would it be wise for him to learn HOW to best verbalize some things he believes strongly about (or to not talk about certain things with the press)? Of course. But, seriously...let's not rake him over hot coals at every turn and over every bauble. Even fame does not deserve that.

    February 19, 2011 at 4:46 am |
  8. Colin

    There is no god, life starts at 40. I'm currently under 40, so if this Bieber nonsense is going to carry over in to the already corrupted and ignorant world of American politics, then can somebody please just ABORT ME NOW???

    February 19, 2011 at 3:13 am |
  9. Barry Johnstone

    "The issue is pro-choice vs. your apparent anti-choice stand" Yep. That makes much more sense than Justin Thingy's pointless and ignorant rant.

    February 19, 2011 at 1:57 am |
    • JOregon

      The woman has the right to choose – she can choose to NOT get pregnant in the first place. Most abortions are done for birth control purposes. Just because some woman thought 3 glasses of wine worked as a birth control device doesn't make it OK to abort what may very well be a thinking and aware being.
      *The fifth week of pregnancy, or the third week after conception, marks the beginning of the embryonic period. This is when the baby's brain, spinal cord, heart and other organs begin to form.

      *Just four weeks after conception, the neural tube along your baby's back is closing and your baby's heart is pumping blood.

      *Seven weeks into your pregnancy, or five weeks after conception, your baby's brain and face are rapidly developing.

      *Eight weeks into your pregnancy, or six weeks after conception, your baby's arms and legs are growing longer, and fingers have begun to form. The shell-shaped parts of your baby's ears also are forming, and your baby's eyes and nip-ples are visible. The upper lip and nose have formed. The trunk of your baby's body is beginning to straighten.
      Your baby may begin to move this week, but you won't be able to feel it yet.
      *At the beginning of the 11th week of pregnancy, or the ninth week after conception, your baby's head still makes up about half of its length. But your baby's body is about to catch up, growing rapidly in the coming weeks.
      Your baby is now officially described as a fetus. This week your baby's eyes are widely separated, the eyelids fused and the ears low set. Red blood cells are beginning to form in your baby's liver.

      *Twelve weeks into your pregnancy, or 10 weeks after conception, your baby is developing fingernails. Your baby's face now has a human profile.

      That's the first trimester.

      http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/prenatal-care/PR00112

      February 19, 2011 at 3:56 am |
    • David Johnson

      @JOregon

      Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, consists of a review of studies conducted since 1997 on the neuroanatomical and physiological development of the fetus. It concludes that fetuses at the 24-week stage of development do not possess the wiring to transmit pain signals from the body to the brain's cortex. Even after 24 weeks, the fetus likely exists in a state of "continuous sleep-like unconsciousness or sedation," due to the presence of chemicals such as adenosine in the surrounding amniotic fluid.

      Cheers!

      February 19, 2011 at 8:49 am |
    • JOregon

      DJ
      There are people that are unable to feel pain (CIPA).
      Does that mean does that mean those with CIPA aren't think or aware?

      February 19, 2011 at 11:30 am |
    • David Johnson

      @JOregon

      You said: "There are people that are unable to feel pain (CIPA).
      Does that mean does that mean those with CIPA aren't think or aware?"

      People with CIPA, are "people". They are not attached to another person. They aren't parasitic. Your analogy sucks.

      "Evidence is imprecise, but the fetus is probably not capable of being aware before 16 weeks, and has the mechanisms necessary for awareness after 26 weeks."
      aRichard Smith PhD MRCOG is a Consultant Obstetrician and Subspecialist in Fetal Medicine at the Norfolk & Norwich University Hospitals Foundation NHS Foundation Trust, Norwich, UK

      In 1995, 89% of all abortions in the United States were performed within the first 12-13 weeks after the last menstrual period. [Source: "Susan Dudley, Ph.D. "Abortion After Twelve Weeks" National Abortion Federation 1996]

      But, it doesn't really matter because, a woman's right to choose is protected by the const_itution.

      Thank god for Roe v. Wade!

      Cheers!

      February 19, 2011 at 4:33 pm |
    • JOregon

      DJ
      Attached or not they are still people. That is why if someone maliciously causes the death of the unborn child they are charged with murder.
      Are you claiming that 5 minutes before the baby is born it is not a person? YOUR analogy sucks.

      Timing based on after fertilization, add 2 weeks for the “last menstrual period” timing system.
      Seven weeks after fertilization if the lip is tickled the arms move backward. The brain has been separated into 2 hemispheres.
      At 9 Weeks it becomes a fetus. All of the parts of the brain and spinal cord are there.
      At 12 weeks efforts to suckle will sometimes be observed at the abortion.
      At 14 weeks the unborn child makes coordinated arm and leg movements.
      At 16 weeks eye movements.
      At 18 weeks the cerebral cortex, (responsible for reasoning and memory), has the same number of nerve cells as an adult.
      At 20 weeks sleeps, wakes, hears sounds.
      At 22 weeks a woman can abort at will.
      http://www.justfacts.com/abortion.asp

      Roe v. Wade is an abomination. A ruling based on the prohibition of slavery (13th amendment). When a woman gets pregnant because she CHOSE not to use protection it is not involuntary servitude, it was her choice.
      One of the problems with our society is man's inability to accept responsibility for his actions.

      Just because a law allows an action does not make that action acceptable.
      I grew up when Civil Rights was an issue. By law you could refuse to hire someone based on the color of their skin. Not serve someone because they were “too dark”. By your definition all that was “good” because it was acceptable by law.

      When laws go against human decency we have an obligation to speak out against them.

      February 19, 2011 at 5:44 pm |
  10. Fredrik Olsson

    Just one more reason not to like the guy....

    February 19, 2011 at 1:51 am |
    • Wildrose

      Why?? Just cos his opinion isn't yours??? That's why we have democracy 🙂 good isn't it ?

      February 19, 2011 at 2:40 am |
  11. Parrish Theodore

    Decent point JOregon, and i am honestly not trying to say one is better than the other.I agree that life should be valued and preserved. My two points are as follows. There is nothing wrong with a 16 yo having an opinion, but he better damn well be committed to it, because a pretty impressionable crowd is listening to him. And I honestly do not think he will feel the same in a few years. Having gone through that evolution relatively recently, i understand how quickly a teen's opinions can change.

    Secondarily, and i am honestly not trying to impose my opinion, but looking at things within the confines of our legislature, the role of government is to serve its citizens. Citizens are defined as those that pay taxes or are dependents of those that do. THose that do may very well be carrying an unborn child. If they are split, the government, and each of us, should keep our mouths shut. Again, not imposing any views, that's just the way it is. Last time i checked, there was a separation of church and state in this country, so this is an individual choice...just looking at the facts.

    I think everyone has a valid point, and I value their right to express it. That's what makes us great. But in my mind, this is a matter of individuality.

    February 19, 2011 at 1:44 am |
    • JOregon

      We change all the time and our opinions with them. As I approach 60, in a about a year, I find my beliefs of 30 were entirely wrong.
      When I was 30 my beliefs of 15 were entirely wrong.
      With age comes wisdom but if we don't have opinions that wisdom may never come.
      The real trick is to be honest enough with ourselves to change. Too often people get stuck in their pride and don't allow them selves to grow.
      I think it is healthy he has opinions, and they are not bad opinions. I wish mine were as mature when I was 16, but that was a different era.

      February 19, 2011 at 3:46 am |
    • CatholicMom

      JOregon,

      I agree with you….with age comes wisdom about life. Some may call it just ‘mind changing’ but I think it is more of a full circle and concluding with Truth about life.

      No wonder the Asians revere their elderly. But what do we do here in the USA? If we don’t abort the baby…it grows up and then when it reaches retirement age we try stuffing them in nursing homes and drug them to the point of rendering them helpless so they can be managed like a vegetable farm. The nursing homes are there to provide jobs for people…not for the well-being of the elderly.

      Along with abortion we think that putting people out of their misery is health care. We try to instill these methods of managing population to other countries by providing them money so that we can manipulate them also.

      Our history speaks for itself but it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t look at it and see our error and own up to it. Justin may be just what this country needs to pull us out of the gutter….yes, young people can have an influence on us all; it has happened before…remember the 50-60? We are paying for that now and a new direction is needed.

      Thank you, Justin, for any influence you have with people!

      February 19, 2011 at 10:49 am |
  12. Allex

    Yeah you go bieber:)

    February 19, 2011 at 1:35 am |
  13. Parrish Theodore

    JOregon
    "When did we start listnening to teenagers?"
    Teenagers listen to teenagers.
    17% of all abortions are in his age group, under 19. For the most part that is 16-19. His age group.
    56% are done between the ages 20-29.
    http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comparebar.jsp?ind=464&cat=10

    Part of my point. Who's looking after these kids? Someone has to take some ownership in this. You cannot just assume a 16-19 yo is capable of understanding the repercussions of their decisions. TAKE SOME OWNERSHIP PEOPLE. I AM EMBARRASSED FOR US ALL.

    February 19, 2011 at 1:17 am |
    • JOregon

      You teach what values you can.
      Their peers are also an influence.
      Somewhere along the line they begin to make their own decisions and sometimes those aren't the best.
      Do you have kids?

      February 19, 2011 at 1:22 am |
  14. JOregon

    As a society we put very little value on human life.
    Abortion is part of it.
    Pointless war is another.
    Recently 2 brothers beat a pregnant woman to death because they had an issue with her boyfriend.
    None of these things make sense including abortion.
    Most abortions are as a birth control measure. Not wanting the child even though there was no risk to health, no in-cest, and no ra-pe. Birth control!!! What a lousy reason to kill.

    February 19, 2011 at 1:00 am |
    • David Johnson

      @JOregon

      Abortion is an important part of a balanced family planning toolbox.

      Women have the right to choose. Doesn't matter if it is r_ape, or just an OOoopsie.

      Woman's body. Woman's choice.

      Cheers!

      February 19, 2011 at 8:30 am |
    • JOregon

      DJ
      Woman has the right to choose.
      Mouthy teens? Kill 'em right?
      Her Choice is whether she takes precautions in the first place.
      Once she is pregnant she has already made her choice.

      February 19, 2011 at 11:08 am |
    • David Johnson

      @JOregon

      You said: "Her Choice is whether she takes precautions in the first place.
      Once she is pregnant she has already made her choice."

      No. Her body. Her choice, up until the fetus is viable, usually at 24 weeks. Until then, she has the right to terminate.

      Why? 'Cause we are a nation of laws. We are not (yet) a theocracy. This fact makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

      Thank god and baby Jesus for Roe v. Wade!

      "Roe v. Wade: The Supreme Court ruled that a woman has a const_itutionally guaranteed unqualified right to abortion in the first trimester of her pregnancy.
      She also has a right to terminate a pregnancy in the second trimester, although the state may limit that right when the procedure poses a health risk to the mother that is greater than the risk of carrying the fetus to term.

      In making its decision, the Court ruled that a fetus is not a person under the terms of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Const_itution." – Wikipedia

      The womb belongs to the woman. The fetus, in her womb has no legal rights until it reaches a stage that it is able to live outside it's mothers body. Which is what god intended. *smile contentedly*

      13th Amendment : "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convictecd, shall exist within the United States or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

      Women or any part of their bodies, cannot be owned. Not by the government. Not by religious nuts.

      Women are not broodmares. They have the right to abort the parasitic fetus, until the fetus is viable.

      Conclusion:
      Women, as of now, have the right to terminate a pregnancy, for ANY reason. They can get an abortion, just because it is a rainy Monday, and they are bored.

      Woman's body. Woman's choice

      Cheers!

      February 19, 2011 at 11:47 am |
    • JOregon

      DJ
      Sometimes you have to realize your rights are all wrong.
      Slavery was legal – did that make it right?
      The war in Iraq was legal – did that make it right?
      It's not an appendix.
      It is not part of her body her body is the host.
      R v W was a political judgment.

      February 19, 2011 at 12:44 pm |
    • donna

      All abortions are birth control- by definition. And that includes abortions for non-consentual or incestual relations.

      February 19, 2011 at 1:58 pm |
    • JOregon

      Donna
      The difference is abortion, more often than not, is used in place of other birth control methods.
      There are other options but much too often abortion is the method of choice.

      February 19, 2011 at 2:22 pm |
    • donna

      "The difference is abortion, more often than not, is used in place of other birth control methods.
      There are other options but much too often abortion is the method of choice."
      Care to back up your claim with any evidence? I've never met a girl or woman who prefers abortion to any other kind of BC.

      February 19, 2011 at 2:31 pm |
    • JOregon

      Donna,
      Abortion because of a nonconsensual relationship accounts for about 1% of all abortions. Incest less than .5%.
      These 2 are often brought up as excuses but are very minor in the real picture.
      Health reasons of the mother 12%, of the baby 13%. There maybe some cross over of the 2 as in some cases both are endangered.
      Health issues are generally an issue with older women not those in JB's age group.
      Most common excuses:
      Having a baby would dramatically change my life 74%
      Can’t afford a baby now 73%
      Don’t want to be a single mother or having relationship problems 48%
      Obviously there are people with multiple reasons but the 2 you cited are very rare.

      February 19, 2011 at 2:40 pm |
    • JOregon

      Donna,
      Fifty-four percent of women who have abortions had used a contraceptive method (usually the condom or the pill) during the month they became pregnant. Among those women, 76% of pill users and 49% of condom users report having used their method inconsistently, while 13% of pill users and 14% of condom users report correct use.
      Forty-six percent of women who have abortions had not used a contraceptive method during the month they became pregnant.

      http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html

      February 19, 2011 at 2:54 pm |
    • donna

      JOregon, I think you miss-read my post. I said "All abortions are birth control- by definition. And that includes abortions for non-consentual or incestual relations."
      That's a factual statement and I was responding to your comment that, "Most abortions are as a birth control measure. Not wanting the child even though there was no risk to health, no in-cest, and no ra-pe. Birth control!!! What a lousy reason to kill."
      You opposed 'health risks and non-concent' to 'birth control.' That means you were suggesting that in those cases, it was not a form of birth control. My point is that it is ALWAYS, regardless of reason, even if the mother is dying, it is always a form of birth control.
      Second, You haven't given any evidence to support your claim that abortion is "more often than not, is used in place of other birth control methods." Rattling off a bunch of un-cited stats about reasons for not wanting a child isn't evidence for your claim. You need to show that it's the first method of choice to support your claim. What you provided doesn't even refer to that.

      February 19, 2011 at 2:56 pm |
    • JOregon

      Here is a PDF link on the most important reasons why a woman chooses abortion. (Stated by the woman)

      http://www.guttmacher.org/tables/370305/3711005t3.pdf

      Not ready for a(nother) child/timing is wrong – 25%
      Can’t afford a baby now – 23%
      Have completed my childbearing/have other people depending on me/children are grown – 19%
      Mothers health – 4%
      Fetus health – 3%
      Was a victim of ra-pe – <0.5%
      Incest wasn't listed though might fall into the other category – 6%

      February 19, 2011 at 3:06 pm |
    • donna

      Thanks for including your source here. But you've actually given evidence that your claim is incorrect.
      You claimed, "The difference is abortion, more often than not, is used in place of other birth control methods."
      Your source shows that the majority of women who have abortions first method of choice is a contraceptive. The fact that it was used incorrectly doesn't change that. Your evidence also completely ignores women using the rhythm method, and girls who are uneducated about birth control. And getting pregnant without trying to use contraception doesn't even mean abortion is the method of choice.

      February 19, 2011 at 3:07 pm |
    • donna

      "Here is a PDF link on the most important reasons why a woman chooses abortion. (Stated by the woman)"

      And again, that doesn't tell us that abortion is their 'method of choice' for birth control. Once pregnant, it is the only option- so there is no choice as far as birth control at that point. So to support your claim, you need evidence from women who say that they did not use contraception BECAUSE abortion was THEIR PREFERRED way of preventing a birth. Nothing you have provided has even come close to that.

      February 19, 2011 at 3:11 pm |
    • JOregon

      Donna,
      "Rattling off a bunch of un-cited stats about reasons for not wanting a child isn't evidence for your claim. You need to show that it's the first method of choice to support your claim. What you provided doesn't even refer to that."

      My reason for the posting the stats was only to show how rare your 2 commonly used excuses were.
      Hopefully my posting of February 19, 2011 at 3:06 pm cited the stats for you.

      February 19, 2011 at 3:14 pm |
    • JOregon

      Donna,
      If you look at the numbers of how women got Pregnant you will see that 46% used NO contraception.
      Of the 54% that did use ¾ of the pill users were inconsistent with their pill use, that is a significant number.
      Of those using condoms nearly half were inconsistent. AKA they weren't using anything when it happened.

      February 19, 2011 at 3:21 pm |
    • donna

      "My reason for the posting the stats was only to show how rare your 2 commonly used excuses were.
      Hopefully my posting of February 19, 2011 at 3:06 pm cited the stats for you."

      Let me know if you'd like to respond to what I wrote. And I'd be happy to talk about it. But you are clearly not reading my posts.

      February 19, 2011 at 3:32 pm |
    • JOregon

      Donna,
      You wrote:
      "All abortions are birth control- by definition. And that includes abortions for non-consentual or incestual relations."
      Obviously you wanted to draw attention to those 2 Extremely rare (approx 1%) occurrences.
      That stand is common with the pro-abortion people.

      February 19, 2011 at 3:40 pm |
    • donna

      JOregon,
      Your claim, "The difference is abortion, more often than not, is used in place of other birth control methods."

      Your evidence, "If you look at the numbers of how women got Pregnant you will see that 46% used NO contraception."

      1. What does 'more often than not' translate to in percentages?
      2. I have already explained that that stat ignores women who use the rhythm method or girls who are ignorant about pregnancy if it is to be used as evidence for the frequency of using abortion "in place of other birth control methods."
      3.***Even a failed attempt at birth control before conception negates the claim that it's used "in place of.."***

      February 19, 2011 at 3:46 pm |
    • donna

      "You wrote:
      "All abortions are birth control- by definition. And that includes abortions for non-consentual or incestual relations."
      Obviously you wanted to draw attention to those 2 Extremely rare (approx 1%) occurrences.
      That stand is common with the pro-abortion people."

      Um- hello?? I was responding to YOUR comment! It was YOUR example!! YOU DREW ATTENTION TO IT. Wow.
      Please read my posts- and your own-before you reply.

      Or are you going to deny that you wrote this?

      "Most abortions are as a birth control measure. Not wanting the child even though there was no risk to health, no in-cest, and no ra-pe. Birth control!!! What a lousy reason to kill."

      February 19, 2011 at 3:50 pm |
    • JOregon

      Donna,
      If you are using the rhythm method, abortion should NOT be your back up plan.
      Nearly half of those surveyed used NO contraception. ADD to that those that did were inconsistent with the systems they did use and it is clear most were not serious about protection.
      How much do you want to bet if abortion was not an option those numbers would change dramatically.

      “More often than not”, means more than half. That is exactly what has happened.

      February 19, 2011 at 3:56 pm |
    • JOregon

      Donna,
      What I said was:
      “Most abortions are as a birth control measure. Not wanting the child even though there was no risk to health, no in-cest, and no ra-pe. Birth control!!! What a lousy reason to kill.”

      I was separating those 2 out because they are the common excuse used.
      You brought them back as part of the equation.
      I think I can see your reasoning though, so I apologize for leading you on that trail

      Rarely is there good reason to kill. Most abortion kills for no good reason.

      Seven weeks after fertilization if the lip is tickled the arms move backward. The brain has been separated into 2 hemispheres.
      At 9 Weeks it becomes a fetus. All of the parts of the brain and spinal cord are there.
      We are more than willing to kill it because it is an inconvenience that we didn't full protect against.

      February 19, 2011 at 4:07 pm |
    • donna

      "If you are using the rhythm method, abortion should NOT be your back up plan."
      That's a straw man. You and i aren't discussing what people *should* do, we are discussing your claims about what people *do* do. Big difference.
      And 46% isn't more than half. But that number is irrelevant because it doesn't include all forms of intentional birth control, as I've said several times now.

      February 19, 2011 at 4:34 pm |
    • JOregon

      Donna,
      If you choose not to use reliable birth control and get an abortion you are using abortion as your main birth control method.
      Those that inconsistently use condoms or use the rhythm method are using Abortion as their main birth control device.
      They play the lottery, praying they won't have to use Abortion. That Is WRONG. They are killing a child.
      Twelve weeks after fertilization efforts to suckle will sometimes be observed at the abortion.

      February 19, 2011 at 4:56 pm |
    • donna

      "If you choose not to use reliable birth control and get an abortion you are using abortion as your main birth control method."

      The ONLY completely reliable methods of birth control are abstinence and removal of reproductive organs. So by your logic here, anyone who is fertile and has s3 x, then has an abortion, is using birth control as their "main method."

      February 19, 2011 at 5:12 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @JOregon

      You said: "Sometimes you have to realize your rights are all wrong."

      Human rights are never wrong. Women's rights are not wrong. A fetus has no rights until it is viable. It is not yet a human. It only has the potential to be a human. Like a fig seed is not a fig tree. The seed only has the potential to be a fig tree.

      Abortion will be with us always. Making it illegal won't stop it. Instead of whining about it, religious people should get behind Obama and get the Republicans to better fund his initiatives, to give women an alternative to abortion.

      You said: "Slavery was legal – did that make it right?"

      No, that is why the 13th amendment officially abolished and continues to prohibit slavery and involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime.

      Odd how the South used all the verses of the bible, concerning slavery, as a selling point to prevent the Abolition of slavery.
      And now, the Evangelicals are attempting to deny gays their rights. They are once again using the bible as a selling point. *sigh* Why, in 2011 are we still being subjected to Bronze Age morals and myths?

      The13th amendment also prevents the religious crazies or the government (puppets of the crazies) from owning a woman, including any parts of her body. That includes her womb. It is hers.

      You said: "It is not part of her body her body is the host."

      That's right. The woman is the host. The fetus is a parasite. There is no such thing as the right to live inside someone.
      A fetus has no rights until it is viable at about 24 weeks. The fetus, until viable is inside the woman, by her permission.
      The woman has the rights, not the fetus. The woman can revoke the permission any time. Her body. Her choice.

      R v W was a political judgment.

      Yeah and Jesus was a poor carpenter. Who cares. Roe v. Wade rules!

      Cheers!

      Psalm 127:3 – Children are a gift of the LORD

      Hmmm... Well, the bible says it, so I believe it. Children are god's gift!

      Notice how god doesn't check to see if a woman is capable of raising a child, before he gives a baby to them?

      Women in poor countries bear children, only to have them die, because Mom has no food.

      Women addicted to drugs are given babies, when they are totally incapable of taking care of themselves, much less a child.

      Girls are blessed with a baby they don't want. Why are babies given to women who don't want them?

      If god would be more careful with giving out gifts/children, abortion wouldn't be needed.

      And remember, there are a lot of women, who god refuses His gift. They would be overjoyed with god's gift. No abortions in their homes!

      God works in mysterious ways.

      We should start real $ex education in school. Not abstinence only. Real education about the use of birth control.

      We will never totally eradicate abortions. Only a god could do that, and he either does not care, or does not exist.

      Cheers!

      February 19, 2011 at 5:34 pm |
    • JOregon

      Donna,
      If your birth control system is the condom and you don't use one that is not reliable.
      The rhythm system WILL get you pregnant. You can count on it.
      If you use the pill correctly it is almost impossible to get pregs.

      February 19, 2011 at 5:51 pm |
    • donna

      "If your birth control system is the condom and you don't use one that is not reliable.
      The rhythm system WILL get you pregnant. You can count on it.
      If you use the pill correctly it is almost impossible to get pregs."

      Absolutely false claim on the birth control pill and the rhythm method (though nice pun with the "count on it"!).
      And again, irrelevant given your claim that: "If you choose not to use reliable birth control and get an abortion you are using abortion as your main birth control method."
      Anything that isn't 100% effective is unreliable. Therefore, you are saying that any woman who has s 3x and gets an abortion, regardless of attempts at contraception, is using abortion as their main method.

      February 19, 2011 at 6:02 pm |
    • JOregon

      DJ
      That's right. Human rights are never wrong, INCLUDING the rights of the unborn Human.
      4 Weeks after Fertilization (6 weeks after LMP) the cerebrum is beginning to develop. The cerebrum is the portion of the brain associated with consciousness. To make the claim the unborn child is not aware at this time is opinion and speculation.
      I am often amazed how my Liberal Brothers and Sisters oppose the death penalty because of the possibilities yet ignore the possibilities of the unborn.

      February 19, 2011 at 6:04 pm |
    • JOregon

      Donna,
      Glad you caught that.
      If taken carefully every day or at the same time every day, birth control pills are over 99% effective. WebMD.
      Rhythm Method not so much, closer to 85-90%.
      Even more reliable because it reduces human thinking are IUD's.
      In the end it is a life. An unborn child. Calling the child fetus, or parasite may make us feel better about it but we abort living beings and say it is OK.
      In my mind it is not.
      I have been married and divorced from the same woman twice. The first time we were divorced she got pregnant. He boyfriend figured if he shoved her around enough he could convince her to abort.
      She did not.
      I am so thankful for that daughter. She has been a joy and a blessing for these past 23+ years.

      February 19, 2011 at 6:20 pm |
    • donna

      You can find lots of different stats for the pill on various medical sites. You can find them from 92-99%, mainly because it differs by type of birth control pill. However, even if we took WebMD, 99% isn't nearly impossible, or even close. 1% is one out of one hundred, and that's statistically very significant.
      And "Rhythm Method not so much, closer to 85-90%." That's pretty far away from "The rhythm system WILL get you pregnant." ; )
      I understand your position on abortion, but I disagree with the argument, or even suggestion, that women and girls purposely use it as a primary means of birth control. I've never met a woman who preferred to have an abortion versus taking a pill or using a condom. Abortions are serious procedures and they aren't fun or comfortable. Women don't walk away saying, "I want to do that again." Girls get pregnant because of lack of education and access to contraceptives. They don't do it because they have a complete understanding of their options and they pick abortion because it sounds like fun. Yes, there are many, especially kids I'm sure, who just don't even think about the consequences of what they're doing. But that doesn't mean they are choosing abortion, it means they blew their chance to use contraceptives and abortion is the only form of birth control left.

      February 19, 2011 at 9:49 pm |
    • JOregon

      Donna,
      What WebMD says is:
      “Birth control pills (both combination and progestin-only) have a high success rate of 92%. That means that 8 out of every 100 women taking pills become pregnant in a year. If taken carefully every day or at the same time every day, birth control pills are over 99% effective.”
      http://www.webmd.com/s-ex/birth-control/birth-control-choosing-a-birth-control-method
      You will have to remove the hyphen at s-ex in the address.
      The 92% fits your other quotes, where they change is in they raise that to 99% if used properly.
      There is a huge difference with the rhythm system because if you mess up the pill you are still at 92%, you mess up your rhythm you gotta oops.
      I'm not saying they use it as the primary protection. What we do as humans is justify. We figure we probably won't get pregnant but if we do there is always abortion as our safety net. One of the main reasons for an abortion is $ likewise for many protection costs $.
      There are those that have had several abortions, for them it has become their system of choice.
      Yes, there are kids who just don't even think about the consequences of what they're doing. I am glad Justin Bieber isn't one. Hopefully by speaking out others may also think about it.
      The bottom line is:
      This is not a cancer that you are aborting it is a living being.
      When did killing become so easy?

      February 19, 2011 at 11:32 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      The USA is allegedly overwhelmingly religious. If so, the majority of abortions could be prevented if the believers actually followed their beliefs. No need for the believers to force their beliefs on everyone else – no need to change any laws.

      February 20, 2011 at 12:33 am |
    • JOregon

      Hot Air,
      There is a hole in your balloon.
      The United States isn't very religious at all.

      February 20, 2011 at 1:30 am |
    • HotAirAce

      You're not suggesting there's some (a lot of?) hypocrisy at work here, are you? Wouldn't that be a violation of some tribal rule too, in addition to the violations involved in having s3x without the intent of procreation, probably lying about that, then taking action to end the pregnancy, etc.? Seems to me that the believers have lots to worry about, without worrying about others and trying to take away their rights. Maybe the hole isn't in my argument ("balloon") but is in their personal behavior and actual commitment to their sky daddy...

      February 20, 2011 at 8:36 am |
  15. Parrish Theodore

    Anyone who thinks they can make this decision for the populous should run for president. I dare you!

    February 19, 2011 at 12:50 am |
  16. Parrish Theodore

    Just playing devils advocate, brittbratt42, who doesn't feel pain? Do plants feel pain when we harvest them? Do fish feel pain when we catch them? I would wager yes. Anyone who thinks they are capable of issuing decisions of this magnitude for the masses should be exiled so that the rest of us never have to deal with you ever again.

    February 19, 2011 at 12:46 am |
  17. Paula H

    So people who do not agree with Bieber's stance on abortion dismiss him as being too young to know what he's talking about, stating he needs a bit more experience under his belt. But boys younger then him who are influencing their pregnant girlfriends to abort are not "too young"??
    A 15 yr old girl can walk into an abortion clinic in many states in the U.S. and get an abortion, a permanent for life, no going back decision to destroy another human life. So please tell me how a 17 yr old boy is "too young" to know what he's talking about when he expresses nothing more then an opinion on the matter? Are opinions more life altering then ending your unborn child's life that adults state it needs more maturity?
    Can we not see how absolutely idiotic this all is?

    February 19, 2011 at 12:44 am |
  18. @Reality

    Though you spelled "species" wrong, you gave a wonderful point. Thanks!

    February 19, 2011 at 12:40 am |
  19. brittbratt42

    so many ad hominem arguments, so little stomach for the ad nauseum.

    February 19, 2011 at 12:24 am |
  20. Parrish Theodore

    Seriously. The fact that a 16 year old has divided y'all so is absolutely embarrassing. He has ZERO idea what he is talking about. His mom is probably telling him what to say. You should all be embarrassed for listening to Justin F'ing Bieber's opinion on abortion. I don't honestly care either way. To each his/her own. The only opinions that should matter to anyone are their own and their god's. Not mine. not yours. Theirs and their god's. Everyone get over yourself and realize that you ARE NOT THEIR GOD. I don't care what you think. Nor should you care what i think. This is between each individual and their lord.

    February 19, 2011 at 12:23 am |
    • Parrish Theodore

      Amazingly insightful. Why don't more people listen to me?

      February 19, 2011 at 12:26 am |
    • brittbratt42

      on the surface, you make a good point. however, we are not all riled up about a 16 year old. we are riled up about whether or not abortion is murder and when the "fetus" is viable.

      February 19, 2011 at 12:27 am |
    • Parrish Theodore

      Agreed. Way to much ego in the world. No one should influence others so. And a decision should never be judged by its outcome but rather the process that went into that decision. So long as you apply your values consistently, you can be happy with your decision. F everyone else.

      February 19, 2011 at 12:29 am |
    • Parrish Theodore

      Hey brittbratt42. It doesn't matter what you think. Nor what i think. That's the point. Who's to say you're right? WHo's to say your antagonist is right? This is an individual choice. Something between them and their god. Not them and mine. Not them and yours. Them and their god. Everyone get off your high horse. You are NOT their lord.

      February 19, 2011 at 12:32 am |
    • JOregon

      At 16 he is of the age causing many of the abortions. Seems to me he should have an opinion.

      February 19, 2011 at 12:49 am |
    • Parrish Theodore

      ...and do any parents want to take responsibility, or are you all just passing the buck?

      February 19, 2011 at 12:55 am |
    • Shinywen

      You're forgetting that Bieber is an idol and role model for millions of impressionable youth. The fact that he has "ZERO idea of what he's talking about" is EXACTLY the point. If he can't have a mature or informed opinion, the responsible thing to do is keep his mouth shut. What he says influences kids, whether it should or not. That's simply a fact.

      February 19, 2011 at 12:59 am |
    • Parrish Theodore

      Precisely Shinywen. I do not believe for one second that this is his honest opinion. And if he is not mature enough to form one and commit to it, he should keep his mouth shut. But even if he does, he should shut the F up. He does not speak for everyone, nor does anyone care what he thinks. If they do, they should go jump off a bridge. He's 16. When did we start listnening to teenagers?

      February 19, 2011 at 1:03 am |
    • JOregon

      "..and do any parents want to take responsibility, or are you all just passing the buck?"
      ?

      February 19, 2011 at 1:05 am |
    • JOregon

      "When did we start listnening to teenagers?"
      Teenagers listen to teenagers.
      17% of all abortions are in his age group, under 19. For the most part that is 16-19. His age group.
      56% are done between the ages 20-29.
      http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comparebar.jsp?ind=464&cat=10

      February 19, 2011 at 1:10 am |
    • Parrish Theodore

      JOregon
      "..and do any parents want to take responsibility, or are you all just passing the buck?"
      ?

      If you don't want you're 16 yo getting pregnant, instill some values in them. If you cannot do that, then it's up to their values to make that decision. That's your failure.

      February 19, 2011 at 1:10 am |
    • JOregon

      PT,
      Having been a teen myself (40+ yrs ago) and having brought 4 adults through the teen years what you are thinking is a pipe dream.
      My kids have all turned out fine. But the teen years contain a lot of fear because no matter how much you instill values in them they will do their own "thing".
      My oldest was active young and moved in with his girlfriend as soon as he could. Medically it is difficult for her to get pregnant. They married and it fell apart when he was in Afghanistan.
      He has since remarried and I have grand children.
      I doubt you have ever had children because your point is not valid.

      February 19, 2011 at 1:18 am |
    • Parrish Theodore

      You're right JOregon. I skipped my teen years. I jumped right from 12 to 20. I clearly have no frame of reference. And my kids did the same, as did my parents. My fault.

      February 19, 2011 at 1:22 am |
    • Parrish Theodore

      Let me be clear for all you haters. I am not trying to say i am right. I am trying to say none of us are. We are all imposing our values on others. And that is flat out wrong. As Kant said, one should be treated as an end, themselves, not as a means to our end. Think about that.

      February 19, 2011 at 1:25 am |
    • JOregon

      PT,
      No hater here. I think the haters are the ones that are bothered that a 16 yr old performer could have an opinion.
      Why is it a problem?
      I'm pretty liberal. I believe the death penalty is passed out too freely. Many an innocent has been executed. I believe life is to be preserved. Just because you can't hold the child or just because it can't survive outside of the womb doesn't mean it is not alive.
      How can we know?
      What if the accused is actually innocent? What if the fetus thinks and feels?

      February 19, 2011 at 1:32 am |
    • Chaiah

      LOL! Justin Bieber, a 16 yr old who has no idea what life really is or is not is expressing his (or parroting his parents' views) opinion about abortion? Folks, now that is just plain old funny.

      February 19, 2011 at 8:21 am |
    • donna

      Parrish, do you really think that Justin Bieber divided posters on the issue of abortion? Anyone could have been interviewed in this article and the "divide" would be the same.

      February 19, 2011 at 1:54 pm |
    • Blackburn

      Something screams Slippery Slope. Just saying.

      February 19, 2011 at 2:49 pm |
    • Lou

      Years ago some young boys found a bunch of abortion victims dumped in a field in California. They reported the dead "babies." Apparently not having been indoctrinated in the deceitful language insisted upon by pro-abortionists, they knew what language was true and accurate.

      As people become more and more persuaded by pro-abortionists they become older and more mature, yet more ignorant. Beiber has not yet had his honesty corrupted by those who love Death Roe.

      February 19, 2011 at 5:32 pm |
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