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February 22nd, 2011
02:19 PM ET

DA in Philly priest case speaks out

Philadelphia District Attorney Seth Williams speaks with CNN's Kyra Phillips about the charges of a sex abuse cover up.

Read more about this case from CNN's Belief Blog here.

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  1. Mary

    LOL REALITY...I love it! "Ruffling the Christian Feathers" Too cool and funny!

    February 24, 2011 at 9:51 am |
    • TellMe

      Guess CatholicMom is ticked off at me...no answers to my questions. Go figure!

      February 24, 2011 at 10:03 am |
    • CatholicMom

      TellMe,
      My posts did not go where they should have...so just cruise the page and you will find my comments to your posts.
      These pages do that from time to time....at least there are not 5 pages to cruise!

      February 24, 2011 at 3:51 pm |
    • Mary

      @CatholicMom

      Mary,

      About Baptism….where in the Bible does it say that Jesus Christ commanded the Apostles to go out to all nations to teach the nations what He told them, and to Baptize everyone…except BABIES! ?

      Babies are born with original sin just like you and I; all have original sin due to Adam and Eve’s fall. Baptism is a gift and parent’s faith is sufficient for Baptizing babies. As adults, we renew our Baptismal promises at Easter-time….anyone who wishes they were not Baptized can renounce their vows [which their parents invoked for them.] Who would wish they weren’t Baptized? Those who are Baptized are cleansed of their original sin.

      You wanted some verses FOR baby Baptism…
      Col 2:11-12, Mark 10-14, Luke 18:15, Acts 16:31, and there are many more. There are NO verses against baby Baptism…it is a protestant idea….a 'man' decision.

      .
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      From Mary

      There are no verses for being against Baby Baptism, but that iis because there are no verses for it. I will try to clarify my take on Baptism regarding babys.

      Lets first look at what Jesus said in relation to Baptism:
      Baptism is first mentioned in the bible, when John the Baptisit was preaching to the people to repent of thier sins and prepare for the coming of Jesus, the promised Messiah. (Matt 3:v2-12)

      The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me. And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water. And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God." (John 1:29-34)

      In Matthew 3:16 the New Testament records, "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him." The description is clear that John and Jesus were in the River Jordan and when as John lifted Jesus up from being immersed, the Holy Spirit descended on Him.

      Prior to Jesus' ascension back into heaven He gave the command to His disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This ins't-ituted believer's or Christian baptism. The disciples and those who followed them in preaching the Gospel were thus commanded to teach or disciple people of all nations and to baptize them.

      Believer's baptism is taught in the New Testament as being a symbol or a picture of what has happened in the life of the person who by faith has believed in Jesus Christ and been saved by His grace. It is an illustration of what that has taken place in the new believer=s heart which cannot be outwardly observed when a person is saved. Baptism is further a testimony by which the new Christian gives public testimony that they have believed in Jesus Christ and have been born again. Through baptism the new convert is joining, identifying themselves as Christians, and becoming a member of a local New Testament church.
      So, Basically this tells us that being immersed in water, is symbolistic for Jesus dying for our sins.(his death), and be raised up out of the water symbolises Jesus resurrection, having conquered sin and death. Jesus most have though baptism by immersion was important, since he himself was baptised this way. It shows visually the spiritual death, burial, and resurrection of the believer's life.

      We can see that there were steps to be taken, prior to baptism. To believe on the Lord, and repent of sin. Following this, the believer is then immersed in water, and brought up from the water, signifying he is a new creature in Christ.

      Immersion is what was taught, and sprinkling of water is not the same. The word baptism is originally for the Greek word Baptizo, it means "to overwhelm, dip, submerge, be fully wet." It does not mean "to pour or sprinkle." Sprinkling" is unscriptural. The mode of "sprinkling" was not sanctioned until 1311 AD by the Council of Ravenna of the Roman Catholic Church. The Bible is full of warnings from God for us not to alter the Holy Scriptures in any way, but for us to keep to sound doctrine. Sprinkling is the "man made" part. Man is not to alter what God said.

      When the Blessed Mother Mary had Jesus, he was not baptised as a baby. He was 30 years old before he was Baptised.If Baptism was important to the newborn, surrely Mary would have had Jesus baptised then. Matthew 19 vs 14 Jesus said “ Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven”. Children are to grow up in the Lord’s word, and to be given their own opportunity by God’s Grace, to believe and repent of sin, and to put their faith in Jesus Christ for themselves. Once they have become a Christian and reached a level of Christian maturity, then they are to be baptized. Biblical baptism is a wonderful blessing from our Lord to His Church.

      The authority and command to the apostles and then to each bible believeing( New Testament) local church . Here we have some more scripture:

      "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." (Matthew 28:19 20)

      Acts 2 records that baptism is an ordinance of the local church and was begun on the Day of Pentecost. Those who believed and repent of their sins were baptized and added to the church in Jerusalem.

      "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. . . .Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved." (Acts 2:41, 47)

      Now, note this baptism:

      Acts 8:29-38, "Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot. And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Isaiah, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. The place of the scripture which he read was this, ( speaking about Jesus) He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth: In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth. And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man? Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said,
      If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him."

      Note what the eunuch asked?
      and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? ,
      Now, Take note of Philips answer:

      If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him."

      All baptisms were done with Adults....not babys.
      The person who was baptized was to be a believer first. Of his own free will, he had to receive Jesus Christ as his/her personal savior
      Person was immersed in water

      When Jesus spoke saying, You must be be born of water and of the spirit, or you cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven. He said, That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. "Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'

      Flesh denoted the Physical birth, and the Spirit speaks of a Spiritual birth. (as we know our spirits are dead until we are saved by the grace of God, confess (repent) and are baptised.

      A baby cannot do any of these things, nor can anyone do it for them. According to the word of God. A baby cannot reason, and cannot sin, since it is a baby! A baby can do none of the above things mentioned above that are required to
      be baptised, as the scriptures have clearly shown.

      Baptism does not save. Baptism follows salvation.

      The original sin on the babys soul, is the "stain" of sin, not willfull sin. I am sure a baby would go to Heaven if it died.
      One final note, is regarding Luke 18:15,, if you look up Gills expostion of the Whole Bible, you will find this:

      Luke 18:15
      And they brought unto him also infants
      As well as grown persons, that were sick, to be healed by him:

      that he would touch them;
      in order, as some learned men think, to cure them of diseases that attended them; for one of the ways by which Christ healed persons, was by touching them; nor do we read of his touching in common for any other purpose, or of persons desiring him to touch them, or theirs, but for this end; in ( Matthew 19:13 ) it is read, "that he should put his hands on them"; and so the Arabic and Persic versions here read, in order to pray over them, and bless them: but neither in one place, nor the other, is any mention of their baptism, or of their being brought for such a purpose; nor can it be concluded from hence;

      but when [his] disciples saw [it], they rebuked them;

      NOTE this part:
      "that he should put his hands on them"; and so the Arabic and Persic versions here read, in order to pray over them, and bless them: but neither in one place, nor the other, is any mention of their baptism, or of their being brought for such a purpose; nor can it be concluded from hence;

      NO MENTION OF BAPTISM..

      This is why I believe as I do regarding Baby Baptism.
      ).

      February 25, 2011 at 7:35 pm |
  2. TellMe

    @CatholicMom
    I started out, and ended with facts to back up my comments, if you are referencing the last part of my post that wasn't addressed by you. I guess the ones that fan the flames?
    First, Thank You for responding. That being said, I will copy your post and respond under each part.
    I will answer your last question, first though. You ask if you are my enemy for telling me the truth?
    My answer, NO. No one is my enemy, just because they disagree with me. As far as the "truth" part, thats debatable. That is to say, it is the "truth" as you see it, and that of course does not substantiate that it is therefore, the "truth".

    Now on to your post:
    CatholicMom

    TellMe,

    You started out sounding like your really wanted to ‘know’ certain things and then you just couldn’t hold back, could you? It is okay…the fan was turned off.

    There were no ‘years of silence’ as you say.
    Jesus Christ was SENT by the Father with Authority…Jesus Christ told the Apostles that ‘as He was sent so He was sending them’, with His Authority.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no problem with that statement, as it is wriitten

    He told them to go out and teach all nations everything He TOLD them and that He would bring them into remembrance of all that He told them, and to Baptize everyone; He said He would be with them always and that evil would not prevail against His Church. He did not say that men would not sin but what He meant was that His House of God which He founded on Peter, and His Sacraments, would always be there for us. No matter how sinful man can be, the Catholic Church will always be there to sanctify us through the Sacraments that He inst!tuted and these Sacraments will always be valid by the hands of a Priest ordained and SENT as the Apostles were, through Apostolic Succession, regardless of his morality at the time we receive the Sacrament. The Pope is our Authority when he speaks on faith and morals and is guided by the Holy Spirit as was promised by Jesus Christ.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A few issues here.
    Although it is thought by some scholars that Peter was the rock, not all agree. The rock is thought by some to be Jesus Christ himself. But,, lets give you the benefit of the doubt, and say it is Peter. You mention the sacraments. Now, there are only two sacraments that most people of faith acknowledge, that is Baptism and The Holy Eucharist, the ones spoken of in the bible. Where did you all come up with the rest from?
    Scripture for each one from the bible?

    You do know that not all the churches outside the Catholic Church recognize the others, right? As well, you do know that they read and study and teach from the same bible that was compiled by the Catholic church as well? Or did God restrict its useage and words only to you chosen ones?

    OK, This one I really have to question, and I am gone to post your words:
    these Sacraments will always be valid by the hands of a Priest ordained and SENT as the Apostles were, through Apostolic Succession, regardless of his morality at the time we receive the Sacrament.

    Do you know what your are saying here? LOOK> regardless of his morality at the time we receive the Sacrament. So, where does this come from?
    Are you seriously telling me with a straight face, that if this priest has just ra**p**ed a child, or signed a pact with the devil, or killed 10 people with glee, he is STILL able to administer a HOLY SACRAMENT? SHOW ME THAT FROM YOUR BIBLE
    That sounds crazy!!! Say it isn't so!! Why would God allow that??

    Those nearly 400 years before the Bible was put together by the Church, the Apostles and other good men that they ordained to fill the office as it was vacated, went about doing what Jesus Christ told them to do….teaching, baptizing and administering the Sacraments. They used the Old Testament Scriptures, just as Jesus did, and the New Testament Scriptures were being written right along and there were many Scriptures written and used throughout this time although they were not all compiled into one Book, the Bible, as yet.

    Before the Bible was put together the Church lived by Tradition…all that Jesus told them….Tradition and Authority. Now when the Bible was put together they did not throw out what Jesus had told them! Jesus never wrote anything down nor did He tell anyone to write anything down either. What had happened was a schism with heretical implications had taken place and so the Pope [we had already had 5 Popes by this time] gathered with his bishops and decided to gather the Scriptures together and place them under one cover and these would be the Bible. How did the Church know which Books were the Word of God? She recognized Herself within the Books! We has Tradition, the Magisterium [Pope/Authority], and the Bible in the Catholic Church from that day forward.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Can you elaborate on the Heretical implications?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>So the way the catholic church recognized the Word of God, was she "recognized" herself in the books? I other words, they liked what it said, and decided they would adopt these books, cover and call them thier own? Thats kind of like a high jack, don't you think? Squatters rights. I presume? Ok, so now they put together a bible.
    Then, they decide what the rules will be, and whoever don't believe what THEY choose to say the bible said, (thus the cathecism and magesterium, papal authority) was kicked to the curb, and told they were gone to Hell, right?

    Of course, God cares about all the people of the world. He would not have sent the Apostles out as He did; He would not have died on the cross and rose so that we might have life everlasting; He would not have founded His Church or inst!tuted His Sacraments, if He did not love everyone. The gates of Heaven are open so that all might enter, though they were closed because of the fall of Adam and Eve. God will judge each soul individually; people who have never heard of Him can only follow their heart. Those who have ears to hear but do not listen….those who know right from wrong and do wrong…know they have a guilty conscience. God has done everything to show His love for mankind and His Church will continue to reach out until all nations have heard the Good News and all are Baptized who want the Sacrament.

    Ok, so you mean ALL that become Catholic right? He loves all, but IF they don't join the Catholic organization, they are outside of Heaven, correct?
    You do realize that nowhere in the bible, does it say babys need to be baptized? Babys are without sin, and if they die, they go right to Heaven. Baptism is a follow up to what is done AFTER a person by the grace of God, is saved, by the atoning blood of Jesus Christ. Every Baptism in John the Baptist time, was "believe on the Lord, and be baptized for the remission of sins. You know why? Jesus had not died on the cross yet.
    After that, one is Baptised(Going under the water, signifies the death of the old sin nature, and being raised up shows the cleansed new creature in Jesus Christ, and recieves the Holy Spirit.
    So, see, that opens the door for ALL people anywhere to come to the Lord and enter thru the pearly gates, without any Papal authority or Catholic Church.
    God sends no one to Hell…the Church sends no one to Hell….none of us have that power over anyone else. We have the power, however, to send own soul to Hell.

    How do you feel about the things that I presented that your church is involved in? Is that ok, and can you justify turning a deaf ear or blind eye to it all? Is it really the instilled fear of leaving the place that stops you, or does certain sins of the church have exemption?
    How can you, being a avid follower of Jesus Christ, stay in such a dark place?

    So am I now your enemy because I tell you the Truth? (Already addressed)

    February 24, 2011 at 12:20 am |
    • Mary

      I find these posts very interesting. I am a Christian, but left the Catholic Chhurch, because as I seek the Lords word, I see alot of conflicting things with what he said, and what the CC does. That baby baptism thing was one I never did understand. I am glad somebody else made issue of that, I would like to see CatholicMom explain where in the bible, does it say a baby needs to be baptised? I have asked other Catholics, but other then exlaining what the Catholic rule says, no one has actaully been able to say, "here it is, and point me to a verse or scripture in that regards.

      I think the Lutheran religion who uses the Catholic bible as well, believes this aso. I would just like somebody to show me how a baby who can't reason, can do something that requires a personal decision on his/her behalf as a baby! Plus, a baby is sinless, and yes, as one person above says, a baby if it dies does indeed go to heaven, it is without sin.

      I could not stay in the church primarily, and be under the direction of priests and popes that allow (by ignoring) the terrible things that are happening, and we all know what they are as some are outlined above in posts. I just read something on another thread here that said something about some Catholic organization funding abortion of 12 yr olds! I haven't had chance yet to read the link posted, so I won't comment any further on that, till I do.

      It is a sad state of affairs that the world is in today. Your church should be a place of comfort that we can turn to, but it has become corrupt as well, I don't doubt the Catholic Chruch as Jesus wanted it to be at all. But somewhere, somehow, they went off the path that Jesus set forth.
      It is more important to me as a Christian to seek the Lord with the things he has told me I have for guidance,( under the guidance of the Holy Spirit ), then to be where all the darkness dwells. He (Jesus) tells us to come out from them, when that is the case.
      This is how I feel, and if others think its ok for them to stay in CC and want to defend thier right to do so, I have no problem with them exercising thier free will. Just don't tell me I am wrong for my decsions, which I prayerfully did seek the Lord about.

      I can truly understand why some of the athiest people feel as they do towards "Christians". Some come on here and act like thier superior to everybody. That is not how we should be. I AM a Christian, but I get irritated with some of my own kind (at least who claim to be as such) , especailly when they start telling other people they are wrong. We as Christians, at times, cannot even get along and agree on things. How the heck can we then be considerate of others?

      I have nothing against anyone presenting thier beliefs, as I am sure some, athiest people as well, are trying to collectively help one another. I don't like all the nasty toned retoric and cursing and insults, regardless of who is dealing it out.

      There are some athiests and agnostic people who have made some very interesting points about some things in the bible. The Truth has really enlightened me to alot, I am very grateful for his input. Sometimes people get all bent out of shape, if another says something that interferes in thier mind, with what they believe to be true.
      Why is that? If we keep an open mind, we may actually learn something, or at least see it from a different perspective. I have been cussed out myself, and called a liar and a bigot,lol, just because I dared to state MY OWN opinion or belief on things, under these threads. Thats really a sad state to be in,when somebody feels the need to attack. Even stating known facts has provoked it.

      If you are secure with what you believe, what does it take away from you to let another person do the same? If one chooses to think I am insane because I believe in Jesus Christ, and all that he stands for, its ok,lol. It doesn't change a thing as far as I am concerned.
      I wish more civility was used by all to try and respect the right of other peoples belief or unbelief. I see Muneef on here all the time, and cannot help but feel admiration for the man, because whether he is right or wrong, (who am I to say? I am not!) he is trying to share his love with others.
      Then there is Reality,lol. Sometimes he can say stuff that ruffles the masses, but hey, he has every right to say what he thinks. He expresses himself the way he see's things. Heaven Scent, is trying to share her/his love of God as well.

      The Truth (one of my favorite people on these threads! 🙂 , is very knowledgeable, and I am grateful for everything he contributes. Not to mention Peace2All, Hot Air Ace, InvolvedDna, and some others, who can respectfully and civilly debate thier views.
      Steve (the real one), also a favorite with me.
      I think what stands out with all is the respect. Sure, we are human and all of us may fall from grace,lol, at times..wink!

      I am sure CatholicMom really loves the Lord. Even though I do not share in her way of thinking, she is ent*itled to it. I would love to see her go after the bad guys in the church,lol, I bet she would clean things up! Compliment to you CM.

      As for me, I will always believe in my God, nothing will ever change that. Likewise, I am gone to always respect the rights of others as well. Peace to all!

      February 24, 2011 at 7:55 am |
    • Reality

      "Ruffling the Christian masses" one more time:

      From that famous passage: In 1 Corinthians 15 St. Paul reasoned, "If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."
      "Heaven is a Spirit state" as per JPII and Aquinas i.e. there can be no bodies. i.e. there was and never will be any physical resurrection/ascension of human bodies."
      And is it not ironical that JPII along with Aquinas are the ones who put meaning to the words "If Christ has not been raised, your faith is useless."

      And Jesus was a bit "touched". After all he thought he spoke to Satan, thought he changed water into wine, thought he raised Lazarus from the dead etc. In today's world, said Jesus would be declared legally insane.

      Or did P, M, M, L and J simply make him into a first century magic-man via their epistles and gospels of semi-fiction? Most contemporary NT experts (e.g. Professors Crossan, Ludemann, Borg and Fredrikson) after thorough analyses of all the scriptures go with the latter magic-man conclusion with J's gospels being mostly fiction.

      February 24, 2011 at 8:13 am |
    • CatholicMom

      TellMe,

      You believe the Catholic Church has the Authority given it by Jesus Christ and His promise to be with it, guiding and guarding to preserve it until the end of time, I guess you believe that Jesus Christ is keeping His promise…. or do you believe He did not keep His promise…which is it? In one breath you believe and in the next you deny it.

      Since I believe the Holy Spirit is guiding and guarding His Church then it follows that He also stands behind His promises to bring the Apostles into remembrance of all that He told them and to bring them into the fullness of Truth as we can bear it. Either you believe this promise is kept or you don’t….which is it?

      John 14:26 ‘But the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you.'
      John 14:16, John 15:26, John 16:7, John 16:13… more verses on this promise.
      Since I believe that Jesus Christ made those promises to the Apostles I also believe He has not defaulted on them.

      Jesus Christ is the Rock or Head of His Church. Peter is the Rock on which Jesus Christ built His Church of which He is the Head. Peter was given the keys to this House as the caretaker of this Kingdom on earth. There were others who were called a Rock in the Bible, see….Abraham in Isaiah 51:1-2

      When we say that Peter was the first Pope we mean in no way does He replace Jesus Christ as the Head of His Church but that Peter was the head of the Church with, in, and through Christ, not instead of Christ. Peter shepherded the Church with the authority given to him by Jesus Christ Himself; and Peter assumed his role as the earthly head of the Church after the Ascension of Jesus into Heaven.

      You might ask, ‘How can there be two heads?!’ The Bible says we have but One Father but it also speaks of many Fathers! The Bible says we have but One Teacher and yet it speaks of other teachers! The Bible says Jesus Christ is the One foundation and yet it also says ‘the household of God, the Church, is built upon the foundation of the Apostles and the Prophets’ (Eph 2:20)!

      If Jesus Christ gave the keys to Peter to bind and loose here on earth….he did not give that power to everyone. Who has the right to say they were SENT with any authority from Jesus Christ but those who can trace their history to Jesus Christ through Apostolic Succession? Peter was the first Pope with authority to ordain by the laying on of hands others as Bishops and these are the ones who were commissioned to FEED Jesus’ sheep. Jesus said to Peter, ‘Feed My lambs, tend My sheep, and feed My sheep.’ He is thereby giving Peter authority over His flock…the flock that is His Church.

      Let’s discuss Sacraments in the next posting….

      February 24, 2011 at 10:44 am |
    • CatholicMom

      TellMe,

      You wanted to know about the heresy at the time when the Bible was canonized....

      The heresy was Arianism.

      CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: First Council of Ni-caea
      First Ecu-menical Council of the Catholic Church, held in 325 on the occasion of the heresy of Arius (Arianism).
      http://www.newadvent.org

      Decree of Pope St. Damasus I, Council of Rome. 382 A.D....
      Council of Hippo in 393 reaffirmed the canon put forth by Pope Damasus I

      ST. DAMASUS 1, POPE, THE DECREE OF DAMASUS:
      It is likewise decreed: Now, indeed, we must treat of the divine Scriptures: what the universal Catholic Church accepts and what she must shun.
      The list of the Scriptures of the New and Eternal Testament, which the holy and Catholic Church receives: of the Gospels, one book according to Matthew, one book according to Mark, one book according to Luke, one book according to John. The Epistles of the Apostle Paul, fourteen in number: one to the Romans, two to the Corinthians, one to the Ephesians, two to the Thessalonians, one to the Galatians, one to the Philippians, one to the Colossians, two to Timothy, one to T!tus one to Philemon, one to the Hebrews. Likewise, one book of the Apocalypse of John. And the Acts of the Apostles, one book. Likewise, the canonical Epistles, seven in number: of the Apostle Peter, two Epistles; of the Apostle James, one Epistle; of the Apostle John, one Epistle; of the other John, a Presbyter, two Epistles; of the Apostle Jude the Zealot, one Epistle. Thus concludes the canon of the New Testament.
      Likewise it is decreed: After the announcement of all of these prophetic and evangelic or as well as apostolic writings which we have listed above as Scriptures, on which, by the grace of God, the Catholic Church is founded, we have considered that it ought to be announced that although all the Catholic Churches spread abroad through the world comprise but one bridal chamber of Christ, nevertheless, the holy Roman Church has been placed at the forefront not by the conciliar decisions of other Churches, but has received the primacy by the evangelic voice of our Lord and Savior, who says: "You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it; and I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you shall have bound on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you shall have loosed on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

      AD 393: Council of Hippo. "It has been decided that besides the canonical Scriptures nothing be read in church under the name of divine Scripture." (canon 36 A.D. 393).

      The Third Council of Carthage reaffirmed anew, the Canon put forth by Pope Damasus I...
      AD 397: Council of Carthage III. "It has been decided that nothing except the canonical Scriptures should be read in the Church under the name of the divine Scriptures. But the canonical " (canon 47 A.D. 397).

      February 24, 2011 at 1:00 pm |
    • CatholicMom

      Mary,

      About Baptism….where in the Bible does it say that Jesus Christ commanded the Apostles to go out to all nations to teach the nations what He told them, and to Baptize everyone…except BABIES! ?

      Babies are born with original sin just like you and I; all have original sin due to Adam and Eve’s fall. Baptism is a gift and parent’s faith is sufficient for Baptizing babies. As adults, we renew our Baptismal promises at Easter-time….anyone who wishes they were not Baptized can renounce their vows [which their parents invoked for them.] Who would wish they weren’t Baptized? Those who are Baptized are cleansed of their original sin.

      You wanted some verses FOR baby Baptism…
      Col 2:11-12, Mark 10-14, Luke 18:15, Acts 16:31, and there are many more. There are NO verses against baby Baptism…it is a protestant idea….a 'man' decision.

      Mary, Catholics are against abortion; funding of abortion by people who use the name catholic in their name, do so to deceive and make people think that Catholics believe abortion is okay when it is not. It is never ok to kill a baby. You will have to be very vigilant to figure out if what you are reading is propaganda or Truth. If you know the Catholic stance on something, you can weigh what you are reading against what you know to be Truth. Satan is at war here and he uses every avenue there is and invents new ones every day. Do not give up on Truth so quickly!

      Don’t put your guard down….satan and his cohorts will feed you 99 Truths to get you to swallow 1 lie. After your first acceptance of a lie the next lie will go down much easier with 98 Truths …do you see the pattern?
      You know how to use your computer well enough…don’t accept those lies so readily.

      The only way to ‘go after the bad guys’ as you put it is to be able to recognize them by their lies…how can one recognize a lie…by knowing the Truth about your Faith. One wrong mention throws up a red flag for me. Don’t worry, this is the purpose I have set for myself…to be always aware of what is said and what is done and why.

      A priest who does NOT uphold the Catholic Faith is a traitor and needs to be taken out of the Catholic Church by laypersons who have ears to hear and eyes to see….and to not overlook anything. A good and holy priest is a most treasured person in the Body of Christ…and when you behold one who is devoting his life to the service of the Lord for the sake of the Body of Christ, you know Jesus Christ’s plan is perfect….and His Church is Heaven on earth.

      February 24, 2011 at 4:50 pm |
  3. lolo

    ay chihuahua....

    February 23, 2011 at 11:36 pm |
    • CatholicMom

      TellMe,

      The Sacraments…

      For many centuries all signs of sacred things were called sacraments, and the enumeration of these signs was somewhat arbitrary. Our seven sacraments were all mentioned in the Sacred Scriptures, and we find them all mentioned here and there by the Fathers.
      The Council of Trent defined that the seven sacraments of the New Law were inst!tuted by Christ for the sanctification of men. Since the rite [matter and form] of itself cannot give grace, it is evident that sacraments properly so called must originate in Divine appointment…by the power of God and is not for man to choose those things by which he will sanctified by by Divine inst!tution.

      The Church established by the Saviour was to be a visible organization, consequently it should have external ceremonies and symbols of things sacred by which certain graces are to be conferred on men to make use of those Divinely appointed means.

      Listed are Bible applications to demonstrate Sacraments……

      Holy Eucharist….
      "He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh blood, abideth in me, and I in him" (John 6:57)

      Matrimony
      Ephesians 5:22, who emphatically declares that the relation between husband and wife should be as the relation between Christ and His Church…..
      Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the Church, and delivered Himself up for it: that He might sanctify it,
      So Matrimony confers sact!ty to each spouse….

      Confirmation….
      We read in the Acts of the Apostles (8:14-17) that after the Samaritan converts had been baptized by Philip the deacon, the Apostles "sent unto them Peter and John, who, when they were come, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost; for he was not yet come upon any of them, but they were only baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus; then they laid their hands upon them, and they received the Holy Ghost".
      Penance/reconciliation….
      "Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven" (Matthew 18:18).

      Extreme Unction…..
      James 5:14-15
      "Is any man sick among you? Let him bring in the priests of the Church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer of faith shall save [sosei] the sick man: and the Lord shall raise him up [egerei]: and if he be in sins, they shall be forgiven him."

      Baptism……
      Christ not only commands His Disciples (Matthew 28:19) to baptize and gives them the form to be used, but He also declares explicitly the absolute necessity of baptism (John 3): "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God." Do you know that it does not say anywhere in the Bible that Jesus Christ commanded the Apostles to go out and Baptize everyone except BABIES! Babies have original sin on their souls…the sin that closed the doors to Heaven for all…it is Baptism that washes this away. The parents faith is all that is needed to confer Baptism on a baby….Baptism is a gift and the baby may receive it by the faith of the parents or guardians. The faith of others throughout the Bible conferred grace upon other people by the request of the person of faith.

      Holy Orders….
      The Apostles received their power from Christ: "as the Father hath sent me, I also send you" (John 20:21). Christ possessed fullness of power in virtue of His priesthood–of His office as Redeemer and Mediator. He gave His Apostles the power to offer the Sacrifice (Luke 22:19), and dispense the sacraments (Matthew 28:18; John 20:22, 23); thus making them priests.

      … the Apostles "praying, imposed hands upon them" (Acts 6:6)…
      In 2 Timothy 1:6 St. Paul reminds Timothy that he was made a bishop by the imposition of St. Paul's hands…

      Nowhere in the Bible does it say that if the priest has sin on his soul that the Sacrament is null and void. Jesus Christ knew that He was entrusting His Sacraments for the sanctification of His people; why would He make a stipulation that if the priest has a sin on his soul that your Baptism is not valid, or your marriage is not valid, or your absolution of your sins is not valid…and so on? Do you ask you minister, ‘Do you have a sin on your soul before you receive a Sacrament? Who does that?! How do you know he is telling the truth? What if he is lying? Don’t you think Jesus Christ’s plan is most perfect and we do not have to rely on other’s purity of soul to receive sanctification ourselves?

      February 24, 2011 at 3:47 pm |
  4. CatholicMom

    The Truth,

    Try to think of the Catholic Church as the House of God which the Bible says is the pillar and foundation of Truth. 1Timothy 3:15

    The House of God was founded by Jesus Christ. A house cannot sin but people can and do.
    Not all Sacraments are for each and every person. But Jesus Christ inst!tuted just what we each need for sanctification as we travel on our life’s journey.

    February 23, 2011 at 11:32 pm |
    • Reality

      Keep in mind that the Timothy epistle was not written by Paul and therefore has no divine inspiration although Paul's epistles are more "new member/money catchers" than inspired.

      February 23, 2011 at 11:49 pm |
  5. Eric G.

    I find it interesting that believers are more concerned about how they are being treated by atheists in this blog than the safety of children within their churches.

    February 23, 2011 at 11:32 pm |
  6. lolo

    what about the donation of constantine?

    February 23, 2011 at 11:19 pm |
  7. CatholicMom

    The Truth,
    Here is the verse you requested:
    Ephesians chapter 5 verse 27
    That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy, and without blemish.

    February 23, 2011 at 11:15 pm |
    • The Truth

      @CatholicMom writes; "Ephesians chapter 5 verse 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy, and without blemish."

      Thank you for the citation. Do you realize that this entire segment isn't even focused on the Church and instead is under the topic of "Instructions for Christian Households?" Here's the whole segment:

      21 Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
      22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing[b] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body. 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”[c] 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

      This whole segment talks about the superiority of men over women which is what I already talked about in my last post. Do you actually submit to your husband for EVERYTHING??? I sure hope not. You kept saying that you "believe what the Bible says" so if your husband tells you to get on the ground, bark like a dog and lick his boots, you better do it according to the "good book."

      Moreover just two lines down from that is yet ANOTHER error that is simply not true. It says, "After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church." There are PLENTY of people that hate their own body. There are people that mutilate their own body doing various things. Anorexic and bulimics don't love their bodies. People who commit suicide don't love their own bodies since they take their own lives. Or just do something as simple as turn on The Biggest Loser and you'll see countless people who don't love their bodies which is why they are on the show in the first place. This is just more delusion as the Bible has yet again proved not to be true.

      In the nicest possible way, this is what you are doing: You are taking a few random lines from the Bible (out of context to boot) and then FORCING those lines to fit into the mental schema that the RCC has beat into you via repet-ition over the decades.

      Here are some quotes (and interpretations) from a site "proving" that Tiger Woods is really God:

      >> Proverbs 22:15 Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

      - Obviously this passage refers to Tigerís wildness off the tee as a youth.

      >> Isaiah 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp.

      - A snake hole and a golf hole are about the same size, arenít they? Plus, we are quite certain that there were snakes somewhere on the first course Tiger played.

      >> Psalm 89:32 Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.

      - Tiger, with his stripes, punishes his opponents with his clubs.

      >> Revelations 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron.

      - Here the scriptures predict how Tiger, at a young age, will dominate the world with his irons.

      >> Isaiah 42:16 will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them and crooked things straight.
      AND
      Zachariah 14:6 There shall be one day, which is known to the Lord, not day nor night; and in the time of the evening there shall be light.

      - Both of these passages are obvious references to Tigerís final hole at the 2000 NEC Invitational where he hit his second shot to within two feet in complete darkness and the gallery spontaneously lit his way with cigarette lighters.

      >> Isaiah 63:2 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?
      AND
      Nahun 2:3 The shield of his mighty men is made red, the valiant men are in scarlet.
      AND
      Jeremiah 4:30 thou clothest thyself with scarlet
      AND
      Daniel 5:7 shall be clothed with scarlet, and have a chain of gold about his neck, and shall be the third ruler in the kingdom.î

      - Now we understand why Tiger wears Red on Sundays (and yes, he used to wear a gold chain and, behind Bobby Jones and Jack Nicklaus, could be considered the third ruler of the golf kingdom).

      Well, that was only a tiny fraction of the "evidence" relating to Tiger's divinity, but hopefully the point has been made. As you can see, you can make the Bible say ANYTHING YOU WANT IT TO. If the Catholic Church wanted to say Tiger Woods is a prophet (which obviously they never will), this is exactly the type of stunt they would try and pull to do it... and the sad part is that many people would just accept it as fact because sold old man in Rome said so.

      So the question you need to ask yourself is: What is more important? A few random lines out of the Bible or the ra-pe of innocent children? Seems like a no brainer to me.

      Peace.

      February 24, 2011 at 5:08 am |
  8. The Truth

    *** @CatholicMom writes: Since you are all over the place…I’ll just respond to you here, and consider all your responses looked at, ok?" ***

    That's fair enough. Thank you.

    *** The Catholic Church is perfect no matter how many sinners She encompasses ***

    Humor me for a minute here and keep an open mind. If I give you the following math problem: 2 + X = 10, then what is the answer for X? The answer for X is 8. It's not 7, not 9, not anything else but 8. And how do we know this? We know it because we use logic to figure out that only 2+8 equals 10.

    Thus, with that in mind, when I got to Merriam Webster and look up the word "perfect," this is what it says: "being entirely without fault or defect."

    Now, let me ask you, do you think rap-ing children is perfection? Do you think having ties with the Mafia is perfect? Do you think spending a million dollars on a chair is perfect?

    I am going to hope that you will agree that at least one of those items is not perfect. Therefore, we can use logic to determine that the Church is NOT perfect.

    Now, when I go back to MW and look up the word "reality" it says: "the quality or state of being real." When I look up the word "deluded" it says: "to mislead the mind or judgment of." With that in mind, which of those two words most accurately describes this scenario? To say the Church is perfect CLEARLY isn't reality and therefore it is delusional.

    To be even more precise, the DSM IV, delusion is defined as: "a false belief based on incorrect inference about external reality that is firmly sustained despite what almost everyone else believes and despite what const-itutes incontrovertible and obvious proof or evidence to the contrary." This is an actual mental disorder as defined by the DSM. Saying the Church is perfect is clearly a false belief that can be easily proved with evidence to the contrary.

    Not trying to be mean, but just being realistic, holding that belief is delusional and according to the DSM it is an actual mental disorder.

    *** This is why I would never leave Her…I desperately need the sanctifying graces ****

    I appreciate the response, but why? Oprah's not a Catholic and seems to be doing just fine. Bill Gates isn't even a believer and has saved countless lives through his charity. Etc, etc, etc.

    To say you NEED those is quite honestly delusional as well because clearly people don't need them or the majority of the planet's population would cease to exist.

    *** She can bestow on me. Every Sacrament that Jesus Christ inst!tuted is crucial to the sanctification of souls. ***

    Do you understand the Sacraments were man made? I believe they came around the 1500's off the top of my head (but I could be incorrect about that number). Let's talk about John Henry Cardinal Newman. He was and is one of the most respected Cardinals in the Catholic Church. In one of his many books, he writes: "Temples, incense, candles, votive offerings, holy water, holidays, and seasons of devotions, processions, blessing of fields, sacerdotal vestments, priests, monks and nuns, images,… (etc, etc, etc) are all of pagan origin." So what does that mean? That means that they have nothing to do with the Bible and were just “made up” by the Church.

    In fact, there have been some scholars and some prominent Roman Catholics to admit that 75% of the Catholic Church’s rituals and ceremonies are of pagan origin. That means that ¾ of the Church’s rules have just been made up by people like you and me. Watch, I’ll do one right now: From now on, every time someone enters a Catholic Church, you should tap your knee 14 times to remember the Stations of the Cross. DO YOU REALIZE HOW ABSURD THAT IS? But that’s what the Catholic Church has been doing for so long that its followers assume that the Bible teaches these things (which it certainly doesn’t). Why would you listen to something I made up out of thin air instead of listening to what Jesus himself said? And let's be honest, if the Church came up with the 14 knee taps, people would do it.

    Moreover, you can't receive all the Sacraments anyway because the Church discriminates against women, so Holy Orders are not in the mix for you.

    ***Only a perfect person should considering leaving the Catholic Church because only they do not need sanctification as they are already ‘perfect as our Father in Heaven is perfect.’***

    So if the Church started throwing all blonde people into furnaces like the Holocaust, you shouldn't leave because you aren't perfect??? Do you not see how once again that fits the definition of delusion?

    ***Since the Bible tells us that the Church is perfect without stain, wrinkle, or any such thing…***

    Could you kindly reference what passage(s) you are referring to? Thanks in advance.

    ***I tend to believe what the Bible says. ***

    You do? The Bible COMMANDS you to kill anyone that works on Sunday, to kill family members if they choose a different God, etc. A short sampling of those:

    ~~ Kill anyone that works on Sunday:

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=exodus%2031:%2012-15;&version=31;

    ~~ If you catch anyone breaking God's law, you are COMMANDED to stone them to death:

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2017:%202-7;&version=31;

    ~~ Anyone not seeking the Lord is to be put to death:

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Chronicles%2015:%2013-14;&version=31;

    ~~ The ability to kill an entire town and burn it to the ground:

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2013:12-18;&version=31;

    ~~ The ability to kill your wife, brother, son, daughter, etc via stoning and show them "no pity."

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2013:6-10;&version=31;

    ~~ More stonings ordered by God:

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2024:%2013-14;&version=31;

    ~~ The Lord COMMANDING that anyone who blashemes him is to be put to death:

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2024:%20%2016;&version=31;

    ~~ Anyone who takes another's life must be put to death (sounds like Christians have some killing to do of our men in uniform when they return):

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2024:%20%2017;&version=31;

    ~~ If you curse at your mom or dad, you are to be put to death:

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2020:9%20;&version=31;

    ~~ If you commit adultery, you are to be killed:

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2020:10%20;&version=31;

    ~~ Let's not forget the gays too! Despite God creating gay animals of all different species, if you are gay, you are to be killed:

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2020:13%20%20;&version=31;

    I could go on and on and on and on. The Bible unambiguously COMMANDS you to kill these people. If you really followed the Bible, then you would have killed your own children when they cursed at you.

    Here's another passage the Bible states from the Big J himself: "Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

    And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him."

    This passage is very straightforward. It specifically says to do good works and to pray in private. Jesus does not say, "Make sure to go to Church on Sunday" but instead he states the exact opposite. So how do you justify ignoring Jesus' own specific instructions and instead do the opposite? Do you just pick and choose which words of Jesus you believe and ignore the others in favor of listening to mortal leaders of your church tell you how important it is to attend? In your response, please state where the ambiguity is in that passage that allows you the personal justification in your mind to ignore Jesus' own words.

    ***If you do not believe it is the Catholic Church…then which of the 38,000 ecclesial communities do you think Jesus Christ founded?***

    I'll ask why does to explain why God hates Native Americans?

    After all, the indigenous people were in North and South America at the time of Jesus. Jesus most likely died sometime around 30-33AD. However, Columbus didn't come to "the New World" until 1492. That's over 1450 years that the Native Americans could not have heard about Jesus (thus could not make it into heaven if you answered "yes"). Moreover, the pilgrims didn't arrive in America until 1620 and Lewis & Clark didn't have their famous expedition out to the Western United States until after 1800. So there are some Native Americans that wouldn't have heard about Jesus until the 19th century.

    So I guess there are a couple of possibilities:

    1) God didn't care that the Native Americans didn't get to hear the words of Jesus because it wasn't that important to him.

    2) God just created Native Americans without the intention of them ever going to Heaven.

    Keep in mind that none of this even covers indigenous peoples in South America, such as the Yanomamo, who were pretty much undiscovered until the later half of the 20th century.

    So does God hate the Yanomamo people as well?

    So which is it? Is hearing the Christian message just not important or does God disdain the indigenous peoples of the Americas? (Well, unless you are a Mormon and believe that Jesus partied with the Native Americans.)

    The point is that most of this is completely illogical if you think about it. BTW... what ever happened to the ancient Egyptians that believed in Aman-Ra? What about the Greeks who believed in Zeus, etc? Are they all screwed as well?

    ***He promised to guide and guard His Church against evil until the end of time***

    So once again, we go back to the first logic item in this response. Do you believe that rap-ing children is evil? If so, then that statement is delusional.

    If I were the devil and wanted to corrupt people, the Papal chair would be one of the first places I'd try to attain.

    ***that is what the Bible says….I tend to believe what the Bible says***

    You keep saying this. The Bible can't even get the order of creation correct. The Bible can't even agree on Jesus' final words. In fact, it is IMPOSSIBLE for Jesus to have been born! I know, they don't teach you this in Church because I've been there in spades. If Jesus were to explain this to you, it might sound something like this:

    As Jesus might say, "If you read the Bible, you would know that there are 4 Gospels and only 2 of them bother to mention my birth. The other 2 obviously didn't think my birth was important enough to mention. Not only that, but the two stories totally conflict with one another. In fact, it is pretty clear that none of my Apostles had a grip on what they were talking about. Matthew states that I was born when Herod was King and Luke states that I was born when Quirinius was governor of Syria. Too bad that there is a 10 year gap between the two. Thus, it seems pretty clear that they had no idea whatsoever of how old I even was, never to mind the details surrounding my birth (which the stories happen to be almost duplicates of other stories already in existance at the time they were written)."

    In conclusion, I have done my best to try and give you a rational response in a non-hostile tone. Also note that you refused to answer my other questions I posed. The reason why you do this is because you know deep down inside there are no good answers to them because they conflict with reality and logic. Thus, you have two choices:

    1) Continue to ignore those questions, hold false beliefs and live in a world that is void of reality.

    2) Challenge yourself to break the deep rooted bonds of delusion that have been created over the decades for you and enter the world of realty.

    Option 2 is CLEARLY the better choice. Otherwise, it is like you insisting that the answer to X above is 5 and running around telling people that 2+5=10. It makes NO SENSE whatsoever and the only person you are hurting is yourself in the process.

    If you'd like to answer the other questions, I'll try my best to walk through them with you.

    Peace.

    February 23, 2011 at 9:35 pm |
  9. TellMe

    @CatholicMom
    Are you saying that you have absolute proof that the words your God spoke to his apostles and the authority he gave them BACK THEN did not end there? There were a couple hundred years between those written words, and the time those scripts were found. Don't you think he would have have made sure, being God, that they would continue without interruption, as evidenced by the 200 years of silence?
    Next question...How can you believe that just because someone who discovered those writings and were impressed by the words it contained, had the authority to say that all that followed the books were ordained that authority?

    Wasn't that like a self proclaimed "ok, we found the books, we are gonna follow on as these apostles did, and say God "gave" usthis same authority, that he gave them?

    If God trained those apostles to preach and spread the word, then apparently he was happy with what they did, or there would not have been silence for all that time.

    You have the audacity to say your is the true church? Everybody else is wrong,huh? God don't care about the rest of the people in the world, because they aren't Catholic? What about people that are born in parts of the world, where all they ever learned was Mohammed, or Budda? Are they going to hell, too, thru no fault of thier own?

    You talk about the others that broke away from the Catholic Church, like they are misfits. No wonder they broke away. They were SMARTER THEN YOU and anyone who stays in a corr-upt place like you are in. You know the sins that the Catholic Church has and is covering up. yet you fund it, and worship within its walls, were all matter of filth is?
    Are you more dedicated to the church, then your God? Would he be proud you stayed, or are you afraid to leave, for fear of excommunication, and the fires of hell?

    You should google What is Christianity, and you may be surprised to find out that there is no definite answer to the question, where religions are concerned. Most accepted are ANYONE who believes in and accepted the teachings of Jesus Christ. Not just your Catholic Church.

    You say...The church without spot, wrinkle, or stain....WOW! The Church your in has a real problem, huh? Lets see S'xual abuse of kids, Mafia ties in the Vatican, money laundering, even the possible murder of one of the Popes, who threatened to clean the place up.
    Read it here....http://www.crc-internet.org/oct84.htm
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-11/vatican-bank-mired-in-laundering-scandal.html
    http://www.reformation.org/rockefeller-pentagon-mafia.html

    In 1978, a 1.4 BILLION DOLLAR "hole" was found in the account of the Banco Ambrosiano. This was right after the "election" of Pope John Paul II. That is how much is cost to "elect" John Paul II. It was the most expensive Papal election in the entire history of the world. Even more expensive than the election of Alexander Borgia. The money entered the Vatican Bank and then disappeared through various Panamanian banks. The money was dispersed as a "thank you" to the cardinals that voted for Pope John Paul II.

    Roberto Calvi may have decided to talk and spill the beans about the missing millions and the "election" of Pope John Paul II before he was "suicided".

    Enough said. Anyone who stays knowing all this is delusional!

    February 23, 2011 at 6:21 pm |
    • CatholicMom

      TellMe,

      You started out sounding like your really wanted to ‘know’ certain things and then you just couldn’t hold back, could you? It is okay…the fan was turned off.

      There were no ‘years of silence’ as you say.
      Jesus Christ was SENT by the Father with Authority…Jesus Christ told the Apostles that ‘as He was sent so He was sending them’, with His Authority.

      He told them to go out and teach all nations everything He TOLD them and that He would bring them into remembrance of all that He told them, and to Baptize everyone; He said He would be with them always and that evil would not prevail against His Church. He did not say that men would not sin but what He meant was that His House of God which He founded on Peter, and His Sacraments, would always be there for us. No matter how sinful man can be, the Catholic Church will always be there to sanctify us through the Sacraments that He inst!tuted and these Sacraments will always be valid by the hands of a Priest ordained and SENT as the Apostles were, through Apostolic Succession, regardless of his morality at the time we receive the Sacrament. The Pope is our Authority when he speaks on faith and morals and is guided by the Holy Spirit as was promised by Jesus Christ.

      Those nearly 400 years before the Bible was put together by the Church, the Apostles and other good men that they ordained to fill the office as it was vacated, went about doing what Jesus Christ told them to do….teaching, baptizing and administering the Sacraments. They used the Old Testament Scriptures, just as Jesus did, and the New Testament Scriptures were being written right along and there were many Scriptures written and used throughout this time although they were not all compiled into one Book, the Bible, as yet.

      Before the Bible was put together the Church lived by Tradition…all that Jesus told them….Tradition and Authority. Now when the Bible was put together they did not throw out what Jesus had told them! Jesus never wrote anything down nor did He tell anyone to write anything down either. What had happened was a schism with heretical implications had taken place and so the Pope [we had already had 5 Popes by this time] gathered with his bishops and decided to gather the Scriptures together and place them under one cover and these would be the Bible. How did the Church know which Books were the Word of God? She recognized Herself within the Books! We has Tradition, the Magisterium [Pope/Authority], and the Bible in the Catholic Church from that day forward.

      Of course, God cares about all the people of the world. He would not have sent the Apostles out as He did; He would not have died on the cross and rose so that we might have life everlasting; He would not have founded His Church or inst!tuted His Sacraments, if He did not love everyone. The gates of Heaven are open so that all might enter, though they were closed because of the fall of Adam and Eve. God will judge each soul individually; people who have never heard of Him can only follow their heart. Those who have ears to hear but do not listen….those who know right from wrong and do wrong…know they have a guilty conscience. God has done everything to show His love for mankind and His Church will continue to reach out until all nations have heard the Good News and all are Baptized who want the Sacrament.

      God sends no one to Hell…the Church sends no one to Hell….none of us have that power over anyone else. We have the power, however, to send own soul to Hell.

      So am I now your enemy because I tell you the Truth?

      February 23, 2011 at 8:59 pm |
  10. GSA

    @CatholicMom – Although I don't fully agree with what you say I do respect the fact that you believe stongly in your faith.
    The one thing I don't get is, why can't I as a Sikh, you as a Catholic and say @Reality as an atheist all have our own beliefs whatever they may be and all be good ppl. I think we can. If we all live with love in our hearts, respect for all and we make a positive difference in this world then no matter what we call God or if we don't believe in God at all, I think we all can live fulfulling and wonderfully joyous lives. Why the need to tell someone that they are wrong, evil or lost just because they also are not Catholic?
    Also I feel a bit bad becuase you are being bombarded left, right and center with all these comments, keep your head up and keep doing what's good and positive.

    February 23, 2011 at 6:13 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      With apologies as your post was directed to CatholicMom, we can all live together provided that no one takes their religious views into politics. That is, all laws should be made completely independent of any religion's views. No one should be attacked (individually or as an organization) simply because they belong to a certain tribe. As soon as someone says "My god says....so you all have to do...!" (i.e. abortion) or "My god says I must kill...!" (i.e. Arab/muslim countries wanting to exterminate Israel) then a line has been crossed.

      If we all practice our beliefs in private, including atheists such as myself, everyhting will be fine. If you proclaim your beliefs in public, especially as the one and only truth and to the exclusion of others, you should expect a vigourous, but non-violent, argument.

      Simple to say, perhaps impossible to do – unfortunately.

      February 23, 2011 at 6:29 pm |
    • CatholicMom

      GSA,

      Thank you for your kindness…see, you are doing a good thing…. bringing love into the world just like you want to do!

      I think you are right…we need love and respect in order to make a positive difference in this world…anything less is not loving our neighbor as we should.

      I do not want to tell anyone that they are wrong or evil or lost in their belief system…but if their main purpose for posting is to undermine my Faith, and I see what they are trying to do…I will speak up. If they are happy and joyous with their beliefs, I will see their goodness and believe that God sees it, too; they should have no reason to degrade my Faith or act like a bully.

      My main purpose for blogging is to correct misconceptions that people have about the Catholic Church because I truly believe it to be the Church that Jesus Christ founded for our benefit, along with His inst!tuting the Sacraments for our sanctification. When I hear someone undermine these Truths, as I see them, I am compelled to try to help them see where they are making a mistake about what they have stated.

      February 23, 2011 at 7:21 pm |
  11. claybigsby

    and why is anyone surprised by this? This stuff has been happening a few thousand years now...when are people going to wake up and see the corruption in the church?

    February 23, 2011 at 5:01 pm |
    • CatholicMom

      Claybigsby,

      Thank you for calling me a sheep. This is not a baa-a-a-d thing at all!…..it just reminds me of the Good Shepherd when you say that. I hope the Good Shepherd considers me one of His flock.

      The Good Shepherd has great love for even just one lost sheep…He would leave 99 sheep and go out into the desert to find even just one lost one…He knows that it could be caught in a thicket and might bleat out to Him…. ‘Here I am, please, save me! I’m scared and I want to go home!’ It happens….there are many who have wandered off the Path ….unhappy …. disgusted with their lives…blaming the Church for all the sins of man and use these sins as a wall of thicket between themselves and the only thing that can bring Peace to their souls…the Catholic Church, founded by the Good Shepherd.

      February 23, 2011 at 6:46 pm |
  12. CatholicMom

    The Truth,

    Since you are all over the place…
    I’ll just respond to you here, and consider all your responses looked at, ok?

    The Catholic Church is perfect no matter how many sinners She encompasses…that is why Jesus Christ founded His Church…for sinners. This is why I would never leave Her…I desperately need the sanctifying graces She can bestow on me. Every Sacrament that Jesus Christ inst!tuted is crucial to the sanctification of souls. Only a perfect person should considering leaving the Catholic Church because only they do not need sanctification as they are already ‘perfect as our Father in Heaven is perfect.’

    Since the Bible tells us that the Church is perfect without stain, wrinkle, or any such thing…I tend to believe what the Bible says. If you do not believe it is the Catholic Church…then which of the 38,000 ecclesial communities do you think Jesus Christ founded? He promised to guide and guard His Church against evil until the end of time…that is what the Bible says….I tend to believe what the Bible says.

    If the Bible says the Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth…I tend to believe what the Bible says. How many houses of God have the Truth? If there is only One Truth how can all those 38,000 ecclesial communities have that One Truth and yet profess different beliefs? Did the Holy Spirit make a mistake….. or did man?

    February 23, 2011 at 4:27 pm |
    • claybigsby

      @catholic mom: "How many houses of God have the Truth?"

      The answer is ZERO. No "house of god" has any truth. To be able to call something "true" you must be able to prove that claim. Sorry to say, I have not seen one proof that anything you sputter is "true". What I can prove is "true" is that many of your priests and people in power of your religion are so money hungry and corrupt that they will do just about anything to cover up their short comings to lead sheep like yourself into thinking something they are telling you is divine, when in actuality it is not. You ma'am are a sheep. A mindless, blind sheep that will follow whatever anyone of your faith tells you. Open your eyes and see for yourself the corruption in what seems like the only thing you care about. sorry, but as a free thinker, I dont need some rapist telling me that I'll go to hell for not believing in your crap.

      February 23, 2011 at 5:07 pm |
    • The Truth

      *** @CatholicMom writes: Since you are all over the place…I’ll just respond to you here, and consider all your responses looked at, ok?" ***

      That's fair enough. Thank you.

      *** The Catholic Church is perfect no matter how many sinners She encompasses ***

      Humor me for a minute here and keep an open mind. If I give you the following math problem: 2 + X = 10, then what is the answer for X? The answer for X is 8. It's not 7, not 9, not anything else but 8. And how do we know this? We know it because we use logic to figure out that only 2+8 equals 10.

      Thus, with that in mind, when I got to Merriam Webster and look up the word "perfect," this is what it says: "being entirely without fault or defect."

      Now, let me ask you, do you think rap-ing children is perfection? Do you think having ties with the Mafia is perfect? Do you think spending a million dollars on a chair is perfect?

      I am going to hope that you will agree that at least one of those items is not perfect. Therefore, we can use logic to determine that the Church is NOT perfect.

      Now, when I go back to MW and look up the word "reality" it says: "the quality or state of being real." When I look up the word "deluded" it says: "to mislead the mind or judgment of." With that in mind, which of those two words most accurately describes this scenario? To say the Church is perfect CLEARLY isn't reality and therefore it is delusional.

      To be even more precise, the DSM IV, delusion is defined as: "a false belief based on incorrect inference about external reality that is firmly sustained despite what almost everyone else believes and despite what const-it-utes incontrovertible and obvious proof or evidence to the contrary." This is an actual mental disorder as defined by the DSM. Saying the Church is perfect is clearly a false belief that can be easily proved with evidence to the contrary.

      Not trying to be mean, but just being realistic, holding that belief is delusional and according to the DSM it is an actual mental disorder.

      *** This is why I would never leave Her…I desperately need the sanctifying graces ****

      I appreciate the response, but why? Oprah's not a Catholic and seems to be doing just fine. Bill Gates isn't even a believer and has saved countless lives through his charity. Etc, etc, etc.

      To say you NEED those is quite honestly delusional as well because clearly people don't need them or the majority of the planet's population would cease to exist.

      *** She can bestow on me. Every Sacrament that Jesus Christ inst!tuted is crucial to the sanctification of souls. ***

      Do you understand the Sacraments were man made? I believe they came around the 1500's off the top of my head (but I could be incorrect about that number). Let's talk about John Henry Cardinal Newman. He was and is one of the most respected Cardinals in the Catholic Church. In one of his many books, he writes: "Temples, incense, candles, votive offerings, holy water, holidays, and seasons of devotions, processions, blessing of fields, sacerdotal vestments, priests, monks and nuns, images,… (etc, etc, etc) are all of pagan origin." So what does that mean? That means that they have nothing to do with the Bible and were just “made up” by the Church.

      In fact, there have been some scholars and some prominent Roman Catholics to admit that 75% of the Catholic Church’s rituals and ceremonies are of pagan origin. That means that ¾ of the Church’s rules have just been made up by people like you and me. Watch, I’ll do one right now: From now on, every time someone enters a Catholic Church, you should tap your knee 14 times to remember the Stations of the Cross. DO YOU REALIZE HOW ABSURD THAT IS? But that’s what the Catholic Church has been doing for so long that its followers assume that the Bible teaches these things (which it certainly doesn’t). Why would you listen to something I made up out of thin air instead of listening to what Jesus himself said? And let's be honest, if the Church came up with the 14 knee taps, people would do it.

      Moreover, you can't receive all the Sacraments anyway because the Church discriminates against women, so Holy Orders are not in the mix for you.

      ***Only a perfect person should considering leaving the Catholic Church because only they do not need sanctification as they are already ‘perfect as our Father in Heaven is perfect.’***

      So if the Church started throwing all blonde people into furnaces like the Holocaust, you shouldn't leave because you aren't perfect??? Do you not see how once again that fits the definition of delusion?

      ***Since the Bible tells us that the Church is perfect without stain, wrinkle, or any such thing…***

      Could you kindly reference what passage(s) you are referring to? Thanks in advance.

      ***I tend to believe what the Bible says. ***

      You do? The Bible COMMANDS you to kill anyone that works on Sunday, to kill family members if they choose a different God, etc. A short sampling of those:

      ~~ Kill anyone that works on Sunday:

      http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=exodus%2031:%2012-15;&version=31;

      ~~ If you catch anyone breaking God's law, you are COMMANDED to stone them to death:

      http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2017:%202-7;&version=31;

      ~~ Anyone not seeking the Lord is to be put to death:

      http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Chronicles%2015:%2013-14;&version=31;

      ~~ The ability to kill an entire town and burn it to the ground:

      http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2013:12-18;&version=31;

      ~~ The ability to kill your wife, brother, son, daughter, etc via stoning and show them "no pity."

      http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2013:6-10;&version=31;

      ~~ More stonings ordered by God:

      http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2024:%2013-14;&version=31;

      ~~ The Lord COMMANDING that anyone who blashemes him is to be put to death:

      http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2024:%20%2016;&version=31;

      ~~ Anyone who takes another's life must be put to death (sounds like Christians have some killing to do of our men in uniform when they return):

      http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2024:%20%2017;&version=31;

      ~~ If you curse at your mom or dad, you are to be put to death:

      http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2020:9%20;&version=31;

      ~~ If you commit adultery, you are to be killed:

      http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2020:10%20;&version=31;

      ~~ Let's not forget the gays too! Despite God creating gay animals of all different species, if you are gay, you are to be killed:

      http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2020:13%20%20;&version=31;

      I could go on and on and on and on. The Bible unambiguously COMMANDS you to kill these people. If you really followed the Bible, then you would have killed your own children when they cursed at you.

      Here's another passage the Bible states from the Big J himself: "Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

      And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him."

      This passage is very straightforward. It specifically says to do good works and to pray in private. Jesus does not say, "Make sure to go to Church on Sunday" but instead he states the exact opposite. So how do you justify ignoring Jesus' own specific instructions and instead do the opposite? Do you just pick and choose which words of Jesus you believe and ignore the others in favor of listening to mortal leaders of your church tell you how important it is to attend? In your response, please state where the ambiguity is in that passage that allows you the personal justification in your mind to ignore Jesus' own words.

      ***If you do not believe it is the Catholic Church…then which of the 38,000 ecclesial communities do you think Jesus Christ founded?****

      I'll ask why does to explain why God hates Native Americans?

      After all, the indigenous people were in North and South America at the time of Jesus. Jesus most likely died sometime around 30-33AD. However, Columbus didn't come to "the New World" until 1492. That's over 1450 years that the Native Americans could not have heard about Jesus (thus could not make it into heaven if you answered "yes"). Moreover, the pilgrims didn't arrive in America until 1620 and Lewis & Clark didn't have their famous expedition out to the Western United States until after 1800. So there are some Native Americans that wouldn't have heard about Jesus until the 19th century.

      So I guess there are a couple of possibilities:

      1) God didn't care that the Native Americans didn't get to hear the words of Jesus because it wasn't that important to him.

      2) God just created Native Americans without the intention of them ever going to Heaven.

      Keep in mind that none of this even covers indigenous peoples in South America, such as the Yanomamo, who were pretty much undiscovered until the later half of the 20th century.

      So does God hate the Yanomamo people as well?

      So which is it? Is hearing the Christian message just not important or does God disdain the indigenous peoples of the Americas? (Well, unless you are a Mormon and believe that Jesus partied with the Native Americans.)

      The point is that most of this is completely illogical if you think about it. BTW... what ever happened to the ancient Egyptians that believed in Aman-Ra? What about the Greeks who believed in Zeus, etc? Are they all screwed as well?

      ***He promised to guide and guard His Church against evil until the end of time***

      So once again, we go back to the first logic item in this response. Do you believe that rap-ing children is evil? If so, then that statement is delusional.

      If I were the devil and wanted to corrupt people, the Papal chair would be one of the first places I'd try to attain.

      ***that is what the Bible says….I tend to believe what the Bible says***

      You keep saying this. The Bible can't even get the order of creation correct. The Bible can't even agree on Jesus' final words. In fact, it is IMPOSSIBLE for Jesus to have been born! I know, they don't teach you this in Church because I've been there in spades. If Jesus were to explain this to you, it might sound something like this:

      As Jesus might say, "If you read the Bible, you would know that there are 4 Gospels and only 2 of them bother to mention my birth. The other 2 obviously didn't think my birth was important enough to mention. Not only that, but the two stories totally conflict with one another. In fact, it is pretty clear that none of my Apostles had a grip on what they were talking about. Matthew states that I was born when Herod was King and Luke states that I was born when Quirinius was governor of Syria. Too bad that there is a 10 year gap between the two. Thus, it seems pretty clear that they had no idea whatsoever of how old I even was, never to mind the details surrounding my birth (which the stories happen to be almost duplicates of other stories already in existance at the time they were written)."

      In conclusion, I have done my best to try and give you a rational response in a non-hostile tone. Also note that you refused to answer my other questions I posed. The reason why you do this is because you know deep down inside there are no good answers to them because they conflict with reality and logic. Thus, you have two choices:

      1) Continue to ignore those questions, hold false beliefs and live in a world that is void of reality.

      2) Challenge yourself to break the deep rooted bonds of delusion that have been created over the decades for you and enter the world of realty.

      Option 2 is CLEARLY the better choice. Otherwise, it is like you insisting that the answer to X above is 5 and running around telling people that 2+5=10. It makes NO SENSE whatsoever and the only person you are hurting is yourself in the process.

      If you'd like to answer the other questions, I'll try my best to walk through them with you.

      Peace.

      February 23, 2011 at 9:37 pm |
  13. CatholicMom

    HotAirAce,

    I think you know me pretty well by now and when I say criminals should be prosecuted that is what I mean. I have never said that some criminals should be prosecuted while others should not! So, now, do you fully understand that I want all criminals prosecuted?

    I want criminals out of my Catholic Church and also all criminals out of the world and behind bars where they can be kept away from hurting all people and where they can have an opportunity to seek after healing of their souls while those who have been hurt by them do not have to fear for themselves over these criminals ever again.

    February 23, 2011 at 3:13 pm |
    • The Truth

      So let me get this straight... according to YOU:

      – ALL criminals should be prosecuted.

      – You want criminals out of your church.

      – You want all criminals behind bars.

      – HeavenSent and Mary are not true Catholics because they left the Church.

      According to those statements, logic dictates that you therefore believe that the leader (Pope) of your Church should be behind bars and you want him out of your Church and HeavenSent and Mary are not true Catholics because they don't follow criminals. Thus, you have no problem following and receiving your moral/spiritual guidance from criminals who you feel should be behind bars.

      Brilliant!

      February 23, 2011 at 3:27 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      @CatholicMom

      Excellent! Thank You! We have made progress. While I find the "true catholic – not true catholic" discussion amusing, I'll leave that aspect to others.

      February 23, 2011 at 4:13 pm |
  14. GSA

    @CatholicMom – I don't think it's persecution by just atheists, Catholics, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus and every other culture/religion/race/political group etc. have all had ppl who wil be quick to judge all by the actions of a few, it's sad but a fact of life.
    The fact that you mentioned persecution by atheists only is a bit disturbing, especially being a devout Catholic as you say you are I would think you would be a lot more open to discussion and solving the issue without all of the hate and anger. I am Sikh and I am proud of my beliefs but also proud of the fact that I live in a world where someone can agree or disagree with me on any matter and we can be open and honest about discussing the differences and moving on for the greater good.

    February 23, 2011 at 2:53 pm |
    • CatholicMom

      GSA,
      The reason I only mentioned atheists is because they do not believe in God at all and come down hard on all believers of God. I realize that believers of God can be critical of someone of a differing faith and I do think that many are treading on the banks of the quicksand also but believe that atheists are in most need of prayers that might help lead them onto the Path laid out for us by God. But I do pray for all people ....that not one be lost and hope that I can be counted among those not lost.

      February 23, 2011 at 3:28 pm |
  15. The Truth

    @HotAirAce:

    LOL.... the reason why she can't do it is simple logic. Here are her options:

    1) Say the Pope shouldn't be held accountable. The problem with this is that then she knows he knew about this BEFORE he was Pope and tried to sweep it under the rug even back then. So if she says he shouldn't be held accountable, then she's saying that people who knew about it and allowed it to happen should be granted immunity.

    2) Say the Pope should be held accountable. The problem with this is that then she knows she'll be admitting to getting her spiritual guidance from an evil criminal.

    The real sad part here is that if it were HER OWN CHILDREN that were molested, she'd be on here with a handle such as "FormerCatholicMom" or "StopTheRa-pe" and she'd be up in arms that the media wasn't giving this story ENOUGH attention. Talk about being hypocritical.

    Imagine for a few seconds if Joseph Ratzinger had the ti-tle of "CEO" at Toys R Us instead of "Pope" at the Vatican.

    Now imagine if the same things happened under his watch at Toys R Us where stores were luring in children, rap-ing them and then sending them on their way threatening them not to tattle. Then when the CEO found out about it, he tried to cover it up and supported the "don't ask, don't tell" policy of simply shifting those employees around the country to different Toys R Us stores where they wouldn't be recognized. Then once the predator rap-ed children there, they transfer him to yet another store.

    Honestly, what would the Catholics say about THE EXACT SAME MAN then? They'd be calling for his head on a platter, protesting in front of all the Toys R Us stores while holding up signs with swast-ikas on them demanding justice and condemning Ratzinger and the molesters to hell.

    Yet now because the exact same man wears a white robe and funky hat, they do the opposite and actually PRAISE him! It is hypocritical insanity.

    In the CEO example, he'd be called a "Godless sick twisted pervert," but instead the flock has no problem allowing him to be their moral and spiritual guide.

    But that's what happens when people are brainwashed and not fully capable of thinking for themselves.

    February 23, 2011 at 2:52 pm |
  16. HotAirAce

    @CatholicMom

    You wrote above "These 4 men need to be...," hence I acknowledged that you stated criminals should be prosecuted. I do not believe you have ever stated that the church and its leaders should be held accountable. There is a huge difference between supporting the prosecution of individuals at the parish/diocese level and acknowledging, even just the possibility of, crimes at higher levels, and quite likely right up to the pope-a-dope level.

    When you post an unequivocal and unconditional statement calling for the prosecution of all crimes committed by anyone associated with your church, then I will happily acknowledge that. Until then, I will continue to question your honesty and credibility.

    February 23, 2011 at 2:01 pm |
    • The Truth

      @HotAirAce:

      LOL.... the reason why she can't do it is simple logic. Here are her options:

      1) Say the Pope shouldn't be held accountable. The problem with this is that then she knows he knew about this BEFORE he was Pope and tried to sweep it under the rug even back then. So if she says he shouldn't be held accountable, then she's saying that people who knew about it and allowed it to happen should be granted immunity.

      2) Say the Pope should be held accountable. The problem with this is that then she knows she'll be admitting to getting her spiritual guidance from an evil criminal.

      The real sad part here is that if it were HER OWN CHILDREN that were molested, she'd be on here with a handle such as "FormerCatholicMom" or "StopTheRa-pe" and she'd be up in arms that the media wasn't giving this story ENOUGH attention. Talk about being hypocritical.

      Imagine for a few seconds if Joseph Ratzinger had the ti-tle of "CEO" at Toys R Us instead of "Pope" at the Vatican.

      Now imagine if the same things happened under his watch at Toys R Us where stores were luring in children, rap-ing them and then sending them on their way threatening them not to tattle. Then when the CEO found out about it, he tried to cover it up and supported the "don't ask, don't tell" policy of simply shifting those employees around the country to different Toys R Us stores where they wouldn't be recognized. Then once the predator rap-ed children there, they transfer him to yet another store.

      Honestly, what would the Catholics say about THE EXACT SAME MAN then? They'd be calling for his head on a platter, protesting in front of all the Toys R Us stores while holding up signs with swast-ikas on them demanding justice and condemning Ratzinger and the molesters to hell.

      Yet now because the exact same man wears a white robe and funky hat, they do the opposite and actually PRAISE him!!! It is hypocritical insanity.

      In the CEO example, he'd be called a "Godless sick twisted pervert," but instead the flock has no problem allowing him to be their moral and spiritual guide.

      But that's what happens when people are brainwashed and not fully capable of thinking for themselves.

      February 23, 2011 at 2:56 pm |
  17. GSA

    @CatholicMom – it sucks. Happens to Muslims a lot as well. When the good Catholics and Muslims stand up against the wrong-doing they don't get heard and most stories these days only show Catholics as molestors and Muslims as terrorists. Don't get me wrong i'm glad anyone involved in this sort of sick act should be brought to justice but then for others to label a whole group based on the actions of a very small minority is desp-icable.

    February 23, 2011 at 11:27 am |
    • HotAirAce

      While CatholicMom has recently showed a smidgin of compassion for the victims and stated that the criminals should be prosecuted, I do not believe she has ever called for the rcc and its leaders to be held accountable for their criminal acts. She has continually and consistently ducked behind church laws to defend her beloved pope-a-dopes, just as Muneef has consistently supported the marriage of "ripe" 10+ year old girls rather than decrying it as child abuse. Come to think of it, I don't think CatholicMom has ever jumped in on the side of islam's victims. I suspect she is very careful not to attack criminal acts by another religion so as not to draw attention to those committed by her own tribe.

      February 23, 2011 at 1:19 pm |
    • CatholicMom

      HotAirAce,

      You are sumthin!

      First you say that…. I say criminals should be prosecuted and then out of the other side of your mouth you say I don’t. Is your tongue forked by chance?

      GSA,

      Persecution by atheists will continue as long as they think they have a leg to stand on even though they are standing on quicksand. Since they are children of God and the ones in most need of our prayers we must not look down on them even though they may sink out of sight in this muck they are trapped in. Satan has a good hold on them but we should not give up on them….every soul is precious to God and as long as they can still draw a breath of air, there is hope for them as well as ourselves.

      February 23, 2011 at 1:47 pm |
  18. CatholicMom

    Mr. Seth Williams sounds like an exceptionally good person to have working on these cases. These 4 men need to be prosecuted for their crimes against Billy…..
    Seemed strange to me though, when Seth Williams said, ‘This isn’t a witch hunt into the Catholic Church, this isn’t specific to that Church, we have about 400 cases like this a year….’, that would have knocked me off my chair but not even a flinch here….

    February 22, 2011 at 9:35 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      What should cause you to flinch, and cause all catholics in general and you specifically to fall on your knees to aplogize and beg forgiveness for the criminal acts of the rcc, is that about *10%* of the child abuse cases are associated with the rcc (in philly)! But no, your response is to deflect attention away from the rcc by chastising others for no reaction to what has become an all too routine event – yet another news story about child abuse within the rcc. And you have the gall to do this given your pitiful lack of compassion for the victims and continual defense of the indefensible.

      February 22, 2011 at 10:29 pm |
    • CatholicMom

      HotAirAce,

      You know very well that if what you say is true [about the10%] that would have been stated because it IS a witch hunt into the Catholic Church for CNN.

      Even anti-Catholics are saying they are sick and tired of every other comment page being about the same story on these belief blogs….

      This isn’t ‘yet another news story about child abuse within the rcc’ as you say…..no, it is the same story again and again.….that is what a witch hunt is all about. It doesn’t matter how old the story is…put up a new picture….and there you have it again!

      I did notice a little gasp on the video when Mr. Seth Williams said this WASN’T a witch hunt….. Well, that isn’t what CNN wanted him to say, I’m sure, …..but being the honest man that he is, he told the truth about the situation. They have 400 cases every year and they are all horrific and awful. Even one victim is too many.

      February 22, 2011 at 11:47 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      @CatholicMom

      A little bit of simple arithmetic will show that about 10% of the cases in Philly are due to employees of the rcc, under the protection of at least two pope-a-dopes:

      37 priests charged / about 400 cases per year = about 10% of all cases related to priests charged. Yes, this assumes that each alledged criminal only committed one crime and that they all occurred in the same (current) year. In fact, these crimes occurred over many years but it is likely that each criminal committed multiple crimes, so about 10% is a good first approximation, probably at least as good as the bible's approximation of pi.

      February 23, 2011 at 1:07 pm |
    • Luke

      Oh I always love how you point the finger the the priests, but never the proverbial corporate culture of what has happened time and time again under the watch of the RCC.

      February 23, 2011 at 2:09 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      @Luke

      You talkin' to me? I think I have been incredibility consistent in pointing the finger at the recent pope-a-dopes.

      February 23, 2011 at 2:21 pm |
    • The Truth

      @CatholicMom: "These 4 men need to be prosecuted for their crimes against Billy….."

      Yeah, they do. And so do the pastors that didn't report them to police and so do the bishops that didn't report them to the police and so does the Pope for not reporting them to the police and for not removing them from office. Oh yeah, the Pope won't testify because he is hiding behind his diplomatic immunity as Head of State... VERY Jesus-like indeed. I thought Catholics were supposed to want to tell the truth. That's some great leader you got there. But that's not surprising since the Pope knew about all of these issues and personally attempted to suppress them BEFORE he was Pope as records have indicated. It's good to know that you are receiving your spiritual guidance from a man who freely allowed the ra-pe of children to happen under his watch (and the Cardinals who freely elected this man Pope in the first place).

      **** because it IS a witch hunt into the Catholic Church for CNN. ****

      NO, it is NOT a witch hunt... IT IS A CHILD RAP-IST HUNT and the people who you take spiritual guidance for how to live your life are the ones doing and allowing the rap-ing of children. It is really honestly absolutely pathetic that you can't see that and are actually sticking up for men who allow the ra-pe of innocent children. It's quite frankly sickening.

      ***"Even anti-Catholics are saying they are sick and tired of every other comment page being about the same story on these belief blogs…."***

      Yep, CNN should just let it all go away and sweep it back under rug like the RCC has been doing for not one year, not one decade, not two decades, not three decades, but FOR MORE THAN HALF A CENTURY!!!! You'd like that now wouldn't you?

      You'd like that so YOU can go back to how things were BEFORE the RCC had all of this negative media attention. And do you know why you want that? You want that because you care about YOURSELF and how that reflects upon YOU, not because you give a darn about the children who were and are still getting mole-sted. It's sick and pathetic. I'd challenge you to go over and talk to the parents of someone who has been ra-ped by the Church and/or their parents and tell them how great your Church is and how media outlets should stop reporting on how their children were ra-ped.

      ^^^ ~~ I WANT YOU TO STOP AND REALLY THINK ABOUT THIS: In the end, if one of YOUR CHILDREN had been abused by the Church, I'll bet my bottom dollar that you would both be ACTIVELY fighting against the molestation that is happening and demanding the Pope come clean... so just because it didn't happen to one of your children doesn't mean that you shouldn't be EQUALLY UPSET that it happened to someone else's child. The morals you preach of honesty, the Golden Rule and common sense have vacated the Vatican. It's truly sad, but it is the reality.

      Your handle here is "CatholicMom" which I'm assuming means you have children in your household or you did at one time. Do you bring them to Church? Do you bring them into a place where you know there is a higher than average chance that they could be moles-ted? Is that being a good parent? If your next door neighbor was a convicted child mole-stor, would you let your kids go over there once a week? Of course you wouldn't... in fact, you might even pack up your things and move elsewhere to protect your kids. But when it comes to your faith and because an old man in Rome in a funny hat has you wrapped around his finger, you have no problem bringing your children around possible ped-o-philes. Mindboggling.

      ****no, it is the same story again and again.….that is what a witch hunt is all about. It doesn’t matter how old the story is…put up a new picture….and there you have it again!***

      LISTEN TO YOURSELF!!!!! The same story keeps coming up over and over again because the per-verted organization that you support has mole-sted SO MANY children that it NEVER ends!

      Instead of you being up in arms about it and fighting your Church, you try to protect it. That is what a cu-lt is. The followers stand up for their leaders and the cu-lt at all costs. Here are 6 signs of a cu-lt's attempt to use "mind control" on its members (which is not used by all cults):

      1) People are put in physical or emotionally distressing situations ~~~ Threatening that people are going to hell fits here.

      2) Their problems are reduced to one simple explanation, which is repeatedly emphasized ~~~ God, God, God, God, God....

      3) They receive unconditional love, acceptance, and attention from a charismatic leader or group ~~~ Pope, Bishop and/or Pastor/Priests

      4) They get a new ident-it-y based on the group ~~~ They then become a "Catholic"

      5) They are subject to entrapment ~~~ Leave the Church and what they preach and you are going to eternal entrapment in hell.

      ***Even one victim is too many.***

      So then WHY do you continue to support a group that refuses to let a third party come in, gather up ALL the information, remove ALL the bad priests and clean house completely? You do it because you've been brainwashed into blindly following without thinking for yourself.

      The Catholic Church and the words of Jesus are two COMPLETELY different things. Let's compare what the Catholic Church does versus what Jesus did:

      - The Pope lives like a king. Jesus lived like a peasant.

      - They cover up the ra-pe of children and don't try earnestly to end it. Jesus especially loved the children.

      - They love money and hoard it for themselves. Jesus gave all that he had to others.

      - They make up new religious laws. Jesus gave the laws already.

      - They discriminate against certain groups. Jesus loved everyone equally.

      - The Vatican makes things so complex to cover their tracks that the average devout Catholic can’t even keep track of half of it. Jesus spoke in parables so that everyone would easily understand.

      I could go on and on.

      All of this leads me back to my afore-mentioned questions for you that I am still waiting for a reply on. I'll copy and paste them again for you below for your convenience:

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      *** @ CatholicMom writes: "tallulah 13, How did you harden your heart? You sound totally void of compassion for your fellow human beings….." ***

      I'll bet that Tallulah isn't sending money to the pirates enabling them to do evil. I'll bet Tallulah doesn't show up in person to support the pirate organization that does evil.

      How much money do you donate to the child ra-pers who try to lie and cover it up (the Catholic Church)? How many times do you show up in person every year to support that organization that does evil? Are you "void of compassion for your fellow human" children that are being ra-ped by the people you are freely giving your money and time to support?

      People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

      Speaking of which, why haven't you answered my previous posts to you? Do you have something to hide? Are you incapable of answering them? I'm extremely interested in hearing your response to the St. Peter question and what level of evil it would take for you to no longer support the Church in particular (along with my other questions as well). It's not very polite to not respond to someone when they ask you something. In the unlikely event, you missed them, here they are again:

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      @ Catholic Mom who writes: "Both Mary and HeavenSent were never truly Catholic for if they had been they would never have left Mother Church."

      WOW. No seriously, WOW! So to be a true Catholic you can never leave the Church???? Are you kidding?

      Let me ask you (in all seriousness because I'd genuinely like to know), when is it OK for someone to leave the Church? What if they started loading all blonde people into furnaces a la the Holocaust... would it be your duty as a "true Catholic" to still support the Church?

      Obviously, the fact that they are RA-PING CHILDREN and then STILL covering it up isn't bad enough for you to leave. The fact that they have ties to the Mafia obviously isn't enough for you to leave. And so on and so forth.

      So when is it copacetic for someone to leave? If they started taking toddlers and crushing their skulls with hammers on altars would you still stay because you are a "true Catholic?" Seriously, what is your breaking point (if any)?

      Here's a newsflash: By you staying with the Church, YOU are supporting the molestation of children because that makes YOU an enabler. If every "true Catholic" abandoned the Church unless massive reforms were made, then guess what? Yep, the rate of children being molested would plummet.

      I wonder if Jesus set foot on the Earth today if he'd support following one of the most evil and corrupt organizations on the planet. He'd be appalled. When we talk about brainwashing, this is PRECISELY what people mean.

      When it comes time to go up to the Pearly Gates, what are you going to say when St. Peter asks you, "Why did you follow and support the Church when the Church was acting exactly the opposite of how Jesus portrayed his life? Why you didn't use the complex brain God gifted you with to think for yourself instead of blindly following the corrupt?" Is there a good answer to that question? Not that I can think of. I'd love to hear what your answer would be.

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      I wrote this to you on a different thread that goes hand in hand with what I just wrote above. You are supporting a place when if you add up every single dime you gave to the church most likely wouldn't have even paid for one of the "cheap" chairs linked to below. What a great way to spend your hard earned cash. I'm sure Jesus wouldn't have preferred you go out and actually use that money to help a REAL person in need.

      ***** @ Catholic Mom: There are three voices we can hear; our own voice, the voice of evil [satan], and the voice of God. In the case of doing a wrong act: My own voice tells me…. ‘it is wrong but I won’t think about that now because I have freewill and so here goes….’ The voice of evil… ‘it is not wrong…many do it…it is fun…why should you have less fun than others and how can it be wrong if so many enjoy it?’ If the voice says, ‘no, it is wrong, you will regret it.’ That is the voice of God." ****

      With the utmost respect, do you realize what you are describing is straight out of a Looney Tunes cartoon with a devil and an angel sitting on Bugs Bunny's shoulders? It is fiction. Those "voices" you hear to do the right thing are engrained in us through the human condition. To illustrate that, here is the Golden Rule in various religions all around the world formed both before and after the Bible and formed with and without knowledge of the Bible:

      The Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would want them to do unto you."

      Bahá'í Faith: "And if thine eyes be turned towards justice, choose thou for thy neighbour that which thou choosest for thyself."

      Brahmanism: "Do naught unto others which would cause you pain if done to you."

      Buddhism: "Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful."

      Confucianism: "Do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you."

      Egyptian: "Do for one who may do for you, that you may cause him thus to do."

      Hinduism: "This is the sum of duty: do not do to others what would cause pain if done to you."

      Humanism: "Don't do things you wouldn't want to have done to you."

      Islam: "None of you truly believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself."

      Jainism: "In happiness and suffering, in joy and grief, we should regard all creatures as we regard our own self."

      Judaism: "What is hateful to you, do not to your fellow man. This is the law: all the rest is commentary."

      Native American: "Do not wrong or hate your neighbor. For it is not he who you wrong, but yourself."

      Shinto: "The heart of the person before you is a mirror. See there your own form."

      Sikhism: "No one is my enemy, none a stranger and everyone is my friend."

      Taoism: "Regard your neighbor's gain as your own gain, and your neighbor's loss as your own loss."

      Yoruba: "One going to take a pointed stick to pinch a baby bird should first try it on himself to feel how it hurts."

      Zoroastrianism: "Whatever is disagreeable to yourself do not do unto others."

      In the end, it is obvious that all religions share this theme. That is the rule to follow, not because it is in some book, but because it is shared across religions and humanity. If you were born in Tibet or Iran, you'd still be following that rule. Logic dictates this is FAR more sensible.

      **** "With a clear mind and heart, a person can join his own voice with the voice of God and find that it is an easy Path to follow." ****

      My parents are staunch Catholics and one of my brothers is a born-again Christian. Let me ask you the same question I ask my parents: How can you possibly justify supporting an evil Church? Do you know why children continue to get mole-sted and why the perpetrators aren't being promptly removed by the Church? It is because people like yourself are part of the problem by not forcing the Church to do the right thing. I guess the Church doesn't have that angel on their shoulder like Bugs Bunny, just the Devil on the Church's shoulders and that's who is spiritually guiding you and millions of other Catholics. And while there are many great priests who are extremely good people, they are every bit as guilty as well by not joining together and forcing the Vatican to do the right thing.

      Let's look at who you are supporting:

      – A group that covers up the ra-pe of children.

      – A group that is currently under investigation of money laundering for the mafia.

      – A group that had the audacity to declare bankruptcy to further try to scew over (pun possibly intended) the moles-tation victims from getting their monetary payday in court.

      – A group that paid off child moles-tation victims to stay quiet about the abuse.

      – A group that says they are against hom-ose-xuality and yet somewhere between 35%-65% of all priests are gay (according to their OWN accounts).

      – A group whose leader lives in a mansion with perhaps trillions of dollars in artwork alone that they hoard while Jesus' children are starving to death all around the world. I'm sure Jesus would have done the same thing. What was the name of that mansion that Jesus lived in again?

      – A group who charges admission to get into the Sistine Chapel when visiting the Vatican (I know because I've been there)... I'm sure Jesus would cool with that. Oh yeah, no taking pictures in the Chapel either because they sold the rights to that to another company so you are forced to buy their pictures instead while the Vatican makes money off of that as well.

      – A group that allowed Cardinal Law from Boston to have the honor of being one of a select few to say the final mass for Pope JP II (this was after they "promoted" him to Rome as to evade US authorities).

      – A group where the Pope is actually now hiding behind his diplomatic immunity as head of the "country" of Vatican City so that he doesn't have to testify in court about child mole-station (that he OBVIOUSLY knew about). How pathetic is that? Jesus and the Church preach about telling the truth, yet they go out of their way to try and hide it.

      – etc, etc, etc, etc, etc....

      Catholics should be standing up and fighting for the children who can't fight for themselves instead of enabling perverted criminals to mol-est more children! This should be common sense... people should be rioting in front of the Vatican, but instead have been conditioned into supporting them unequivocally by putting more money in the basket.

      Speaking of money in the basket, this is a perfect illustration as to where YOUR MONEY gets spent (besides the billions they are paying out for mole-sting kids):

      In that picture, notice the chairs in the middle. The big chair is the archbishop of Los Angeles' chair and the smaller ones are for other Church Hierarchy.

      The big chair... cost them ONE MILLION DOLLARS.
      The smaller chairs cost them $250,000.00 EACH.
      The altar there cost them FIVE MILLION DOLLARS.

      Who spends a million dollars for a chair? Bill Gates, Oprah, etc don't have million dollar chairs. In fact, that chair is worth more than Warren Buffett's house!!! How many people would that money have clothed, housed and fed??? The chair isn't even that nice. Would Jesus spend a million dollars on a CHAIR???

      Putting this into perspective: The husband of one of my friends is a fighter pilot. He had to eject one time & he is now nearly two inches shorter due to the massive spinal compression force. So he was in a highly advanced jet whose chair allowed him to open the canopy, rocket out of a moving plane at 12-15 G's (the space shuttle at launch is about 3 G's), employed a parachute and took him to safety.

      The pilot's chair doing all that is around $100K... the Catholic Church's stationary wooden chair is $1M.

      These people are nothing at all like Jesus. Jesus is your savior, not the Pope. Jesus in his day rebelled against the corruption in church instead of just accepting it and it seems like common sense that he'd support rebelling against this Church instead of just going along with the flow.

      Child ra-pe/abu-se/mol-estation is about the worst thing possible and yet Catholics are just allowing the Church to "get away with it" like they have done countless times in the past. Even the Mafia and convicts in prison won't put up with child ab-use, yet the "moral" Church knows they can get away with it as people won't leave them almost regardless of what they do.

      The irony is that "fixing" these problems is easy... all they need to do is come COMPLETELY clean, tell the WHOLE truth, let a third party go through their files to make sure that ALL the "dirt" is cleaned and ask for forgiveness, but they can't even do that. The "good" priests and "good" followers are the ones giving the Vatican power by not rebelling back against them. If every "good" Catholic priest and layperson went on "strike" so to speak, it would quickly force the Vatican's hand to make instantaneous positive change. But of course that doesn't happen.

      So perhaps you should think long and hard about who you are supporting. If this EXACT same group was a local company like Wal-Mart, you'd be up in arms about it, perhaps picketing them and boycotting them for being a morally corrupt company who abuses children, but when it comes to your Church who does the EXACT same thing, you have no issue with supporting them and therefore becoming part of the problem. Food for thought.

      Peace.

      February 23, 2011 at 2:21 pm |
    • Luke

      HotAirAce – No, I'm taking aim at my old favorite, CatholicMom.

      February 23, 2011 at 3:00 pm |
    • CatholicMom

      Hey, Luke! How are things going in your life….you’re married now, how many years, it can’t be going on 3 already, is it?

      February 23, 2011 at 3:16 pm |
  19. Anglican

    Reality. Wow, you can predict the future.

    February 22, 2011 at 5:10 pm |
    • Reality

      21st century common sense and rational thinking help in that regard.

      February 23, 2011 at 3:33 pm |
  20. Reality

    The "puke-producing" topic will hasten the following:-

    Recognizing the flaws, follies and frauds in the foundations of Islam, Judaism and Christianity by the "bowers", kneelers" and "pew peasants" will converge these religions into some simple rules of life, e.g. DO NO HARM .

    No koran, bible, clerics, nuns, monks, imams, evangelicals, ayatollahs, rabbis, professors of religion or priests needed or desired.

    Ditto for houses of "worthless worship" aka mosques, churches, basilicas, cathedrals, temples and synagogues.

    February 22, 2011 at 3:26 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Again Reality, my post to you is blocked by your mod squadders.

      How convenient your lies get posted but Jesus' truth by his followers gets refused.

      February 22, 2011 at 10:48 pm |
    • Reality

      One more time for HeavenSent's benefit:

      • The moderators of this blog have set up a secret forbidden word filter which unfortunately not only will delete or put your comment in the dreaded "waiting for moderation" category but also will do the same to words having fragments of these words. For example, "t-it" is in the set but the filter will also pick up words like Hitt-ite, t-itle, beati-tude, practi-tioner and const-tution. Then there are words like "an-al" thereby flagging words like an-alysis and "c-um" flagging acc-umulate or doc-ument. And there is also "r-a-pe", “a-pe” and “gra-pe”, "s-ex", and "hom-ose-xual". You would think that the moderators would have corrected this by now considering the number of times this has been commented on but they have not. To be safe, I typically add hyphens in any word that said filter might judge "of-fensive".

      • More than one web address will also activate “waiting for moderation”. Make sure the web address does not have any forbidden word or fragment.

      Sum Dude routinely updates the list of forbidden words/fragments.

      Two of the most filtered words are those containing the fragments "t-it" and "c-um". To quickly check your comments for these fragments, click on "Edit" on the Tool Bar and then "Find" on the menu. Add a fragment (without hyphens) one at a time in the "Find" slot and the offending fragment will be highlighted in your comments before you hit the Post button. Hyphenate the fragment(s) and then hit Post. And remember more than one full web address will also gain a "Waiting for Moderation".

      And said moderators still have not solved the chronological placement of comments once the number of comments gets above about 100. They recently have taken to dividing the comments in batches of 50 or so, for some strange reason. Maybe they did this to solve the chronology problem only to make comment reviews beyond the tedious.

      Raison's Filter Fiber© (joking about the copyright)
      1. Here's my latest list – this seems like a good spot to set this down, as nobody's posting much on this thread.....
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      bad letter combinations / words to avoid if you want to post that wonderful argument:
      Many, if not most are buried within other words, but I am not shooting for the perfect list, so use your imagination and add any words I have missed as a comment (no one has done this yet)
      – I found some but forgot to write them down. (shrugs).
      s-ex
      c-um.........as in doc-ument, accu-mulate, etc.
      sp-ic........as in disp-icable (look out Sylvester the cat!)
      ho-mo...whether ho-mo sapiens or ho-mose-xual, etc.
      t-it.........const-itution, att-itude, ent-ities, etc.
      an-al......ban-al
      sh-it
      fu-ck...
      who-re
      tw-at.....as in wristw-atch, (an unexpected one)
      pr-ick
      sl-ut
      c-lit
      va-g....as in extrava-gant, va-gina, va-grant
      hor-ny
      ar-se....yet "ass" is not filtered!
      nip-ple
      po-rn
      c-ock
      nig-ger
      cu-nt
      b-itch
      ra-pe
      jacka-ss...but ass is fine lol
      p-is.....as in pi-stol, lapi-s, pi-ssed, etc.
      o ficti-tious, repeti-tion, competi-tion.
      Sna-tch
      soft-ware
      Ja-panese
      Span-king
      hoo-ters
      There are more, so do not assume that this is complete.
      -–
      okay words that you might not expect to be filtered....!!!
      beaver
      penis
      ass
      crap
      damn
      anal
      anus
      sphincter
      testicles
      testes
      pubic
      boob
      --

      Here's a word to add to the banned list: co-co-on
      whether it's c-oc, or co-on, this is ridiculous

      February 23, 2011 at 8:01 am |
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