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My Take: Jesus would believe in evolution and so should you
The most compelling evidence for evolution comes from the study of genes.
April 10th, 2011
01:00 AM ET

My Take: Jesus would believe in evolution and so should you

Editor's Note: Karl W. Giberson, Ph.D., is vice president of The BioLogos Foundation and is the author or coauthor of seven books, including The Language of Science and Faith.

By Karl W. Giberson, Special to CNN

Jesus once famously said, “I am the Truth.”

Christianity at its best embodies this provocative idea and has long been committed to preserving, expanding and sharing truth. Most of the great universities of the world were founded by Christians committed to the truth—in all its forms—and to training new generations to carry it forward.

When science began in the 17th century, Christians eagerly applied the new knowledge to alleviate suffering and improve living conditions.

But when it comes to the truth of evolution, many Christians feel compelled to look the other way. They hold on to a particular interpretation of an ancient story in Genesis that they have fashioned into a modern account of origins - a story that began as an oral tradition for a wandering tribe of Jews thousands of years ago.

This is the view on display in a $27 million dollar Creation Museum in Kentucky. It inspired the Institute for Creation Research, which purports to offer scientific support for creationism.

And it’s hardly a fringe view. A 2010 Gallup poll indicated that 4 in 10 Americans think that “God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so.” (http://www.gallup.com/poll/145286/four-americans-believe-strict-creationism.aspx)

While Genesis contains wonderful insights into the relationship between God and the creation, it simply does not contain scientific ideas about the origin of the universe, the age of the earth or the development of life.

For more than two centuries, careful scientific research, much of it done by Christians, has demonstrated clearly that the earth is billions years old, not mere thousands, as many creationists argue. We now know that the human race began millions of years ago in Africa - not thousands of years ago in the Middle East, as the story in Genesis suggests.

And all life forms are related to each other though evolution. These are important truths that science has discovered through careful research. They are not “opinions” that can be set aside if you don’t like them.

Anyone who values truth must take these ideas seriously, for they have been established as true beyond any reasonable doubt.

There is much evidence for evolution. The most compelling comes from the study of genes, especially now that the Human Genome Project has been completed and the genomes of many other species being constantly mapped.

In particular, humans share an unfortunate “broken gene” with many other primates, including chimpanzees, orangutans, and macaques. This gene, which works fine in most mammals, enables the production of Vitamin C. Species with broken versions of the gene can’t make Vitamin C and must get it from foods like oranges and lemons.

Thousands of hapless sailors died painful deaths scurvy during the age of exploration because their “Vitamin C” gene was broken.

How can different species have identical broken genes? The only reasonable explanation is that they inherited it from a common ancestor.

Not surprisingly, evolution since the time of Darwin has claimed that humans, orangutans, chimpanzees, and macaques evolved recently from a common ancestor. The new evidence from genetics corroborates this.

Such evidence proves common ancestry with a level of certainty comparable to the evidence that the earth goes around the sun.

This is but one of many, many evidences that support the truth of evolution - that make it a “sacred fact” that Christians must embrace in the name of truth. And they should embrace this truth with enthusiasm, for this is the world that God created.

Christians must come to welcome - rather than fear - the ideas of evolution. Truths about Nature are sacred, for they speak of our Creator. Such truths constitute “God’s second book” for Christians to read alongside the Bible.

In the 17th century, Galileo used the metaphor of the “two books” to help Christians of his generation understand the sacred truth that the earth moves about the sun. “The Bible,” he liked to say, “tells us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens ago.”

To understand how the heavens go we must read the book of Nature, not the Bible.

The Book of nature reveals the truth that God created the world through gradual processes over billions of years, rather than over the course of six days, as many creationists believe.

Evolution does not contradict the Bible unless you force an unreasonable interpretation on that ancient book.

To suppose, as the so-called young earth creationists do, that God dictated modern scientific ideas to ancient and uncomprehending scribes is to distort the biblical message beyond recognition. Modern science was not in the worldview of the biblical authors and it is not in the Bible.

Science is not a sinister enterprise aimed at destroying faith. It’s an honest exploration of the wonderful world that God created.

We are often asked to think about what Jesus would do, if he lived among us today. Who would Jesus vote for? What car would he drive?

To these questions we should add “What would Jesus believe about origins?”

And the answer? Jesus would believe evolution, of course. He cares for the Truth.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Karl W. Giberson.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Bible • Christianity • Culture & Science • Culture wars • Opinion • Science

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  1. Eric

    Why is this even a debate these days? Evolution is a scientific fact. Those who don't think so either don't understand how it works, don't want to know or care how it works, or have a presupposition that what's written in the bible is exactly how it happened and dismisses all scientific evidence to the contrary (and there are mountains of it). Do you get a flu shot each year? You know why? Because the virus evolves so last years shot hasn't prepared you body for this year's flu.

    April 10, 2011 at 4:01 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Eric, I do believe you're watching too many Star Trek re-runs.

      Amen.

      April 11, 2011 at 9:35 am |
    • derp

      "Eric, I do believe you're watching too many Star Trek re-runs."

      Coming from someone who believes in talking snakes, magic apples, virgin births and pointy horned beasts that reign over underground flaming lavalands.

      Uh.....huh.

      April 11, 2011 at 4:59 pm |
  2. Mathra rag monster boo these rant the droids u looking fo fool

    Awww...we watch you, don't act so surprised...its not like those pyramids are not connected you know

    April 10, 2011 at 4:00 am |
  3. Mathra rag monster boo these rant the droids u looking fo fool

    Humanity is not yet the complete universe. God is.

    Just like thenneanderthals before us....who became self aware of their own thoughts on those cavern walls...

    The Day man makes his greatest discovery, it will be his last, for he would have ceased to be man

    April 10, 2011 at 3:59 am |
  4. Mathra rag monster boo these rant the droids u looking fo fool

    It depends on what you mean by evolution. If evolution is a mathematical process that leads to what may appear due to our 3 dimensional inertial frame as perfection, then yes....but in higher dimensions, it ia design, not a randomness..it is a certain eventuality by which certain milestones will be achieved by absolute tautology and that the process and casuality is less relevant tha. The Inherent fractal design evident across time. The meta organism, which can be described as a design. In fact, may e in the singularity we meet god.

    Perhaps Jesus was a time traveler from this god where space and ti,e breakes down. An eventuality by which every universe eventuslly encounters....And hence, I. Tat limitless space time we inhabit...for a super intelligence in the future with acess to our past and it's future would be omnipotent, and undoubtavly could change the fabric of space and time. We would then live in it's dominion.

    April 10, 2011 at 3:54 am |
  5. SCIENCE

    CHRISTIANITY: The belief that some cosmic Jewish Zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

    Makes perfect sense.

    April 10, 2011 at 3:54 am |
    • Andrew

      Do you know how to think for yourself, or do you spend your entire life copying and pasting what other people have said on the internet?

      April 10, 2011 at 4:11 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Thank you Andrew. Just a reminder, it's the same non-believers posting over and over again hiding behind MULTIPLE HANDLES and never taking Christians answers to any of their copied and pasted posts so they continue to posts the same old arguments on every article. It's never ending with them because (cough) I'm beginning to believe them when they say they've never evolved.

      Amen.

      April 11, 2011 at 9:33 am |
  6. adrifter

    What a strange question. If you assume Jesus is Lord, then he would know. Of course, I'm a doomed atheist and I often wonder why Jesus never provided any useful scientific information while he was strolling around. You know, something like the world is round.

    April 10, 2011 at 3:53 am |
    • adrifter

      That sums it up perfectly.

      April 10, 2011 at 4:00 am |
    • Andrew

      Why would he?

      April 10, 2011 at 4:10 am |
    • Jcork

      Why wouldn't he? He is "all-knowing."

      April 10, 2011 at 12:07 pm |
    • LetsThink123

      @Andrew
      Ok I'm going to start thinking for myself. Jesus actually thought that the earth was a flat disk. How can someone who u bestow upon a status of god not know that the world is round??
      How do i claim that Jesus thought the earth was flat u ask? Simple. Cause i read the bible. Remember when Jesus fasted in the desert for 40 days? during that time he was tempted by satan 3 times. The last temptation of satan involved satan taking Jesus up to the highest mountain and offering him all the kingdoms of the earth. So i ask u this Andrew, if i took u to the top of the tallest mountain in the world and told u to look around and see all the kingdoms of the earth, do u really think u can see ALL the kingdoms of the earth?? Because the world is round, it doesn't matter how high a mountain i take u to, u CANNOT see all the kingdoms of the earth. How did the biblical author who wrote this story, satan, and Jesus not know this simple TRUTH?
      I guess if CNN was around in galileo's time, we could write another article that says, "THe truth revealed by galileo says that we live in a heliocentric system with the earth being round. Would Jesus accept this truth too since he did not know this fact?"
      So Andrew, a God (Jesus) who does not know that the earth is round is a god to u?

      April 10, 2011 at 2:39 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      adrifter, Christians can't force you to read Jesus' truth in the Bible as follows:

      Isaiah 40:22: "It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE OF THE EARTH."

      Isaiah knew this truth in 700 B.C. the earth is round?

      Job 26:7: ". . . and hangeth the earth upon NOTHING."

      Job is the oldest book in the Bible! Written over 3500 years ago!

      How did Job know something that was IMPOSSIBLE to know during his day?

      Amen.

      April 11, 2011 at 9:23 am |
    • derp

      "Isaiah 40:22: "It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE OF THE EARTH."

      Leave it to an idiot Christian to not know the difference between a circle and a sphere.

      Christians though the earth was a circle, Science showed us it was a sphere.

      April 11, 2011 at 4:53 pm |
  7. john hopkins

    god is an imaginary being that criminals use to cover up their crimes
    the pope, the church etc all use the bible as their cover
    and followers and believers are morons!
    and any religion that allows george bush into its fold is the ultimate proof that the bible is a farce

    April 10, 2011 at 3:52 am |
    • Andrew

      You're calling other people morons, yet you seem unable to capitalize the beginnings of your own sentences....

      Please tell, why should we take you seriously?

      April 10, 2011 at 4:09 am |
  8. mike

    Well, since the Bible says that "through Him (Jesus) all things were made", I will defer judgment until I can ask him. If Jesus says "yes, that is the mechanism I used" I'll go along with Him. But since we also are made in the image and likeness of God, I don't think that will be the exact answer. When both Scripture and Science are properly understood there will be no conflict. In Genesis for example, there is nothing that contradicts a Big Bang..."Let there be light, and there was light" That would have been a fantastic moment, would it not? And if one looks at the order of creation, that is in the same order as what science has said to this point.
    But in the end, there has to be a creator because something cannot come from nothing. The building blocks had to come from somewhere and something outside of time and space. And that would be an eternal God, a God not bound by the constraints of time and space.

    April 10, 2011 at 3:51 am |
    • Bryant

      Can you prove that the statement "something cannot come from nothing" is true? I'd argue that it's actually empirically false.

      April 10, 2011 at 3:56 am |
    • Bryant

      Similarly, can you prove that the universe's creator "would be an eternal God?" If your statement that "something cannot come from nothing" is true, I can argue that any number of deities created the universe as we know it today, can I not?

      April 10, 2011 at 3:59 am |
    • atheist42

      Also, can you prove you're worshiping a real god? What if the Hindus are the ones that are correct? Before you quote the bible, consider that they also have a holy text too.

      April 10, 2011 at 4:02 am |
    • Lowpro

      The obvious question is: Prove it. Prove that God can operate outside of space and time. You have no statement of that fact just a belief for that to be the case. For all we know, existence may be extremely easy and doesn't require an initiator, it initiates on its own accord through material laws which we already understand, just don't understand its capacity to affect our current existence. We still learn a lot from material physics, the basics we are sure of.

      God is not really needed to invoke most of the material world we understand. The fact you think that is the case shows your credulity.

      April 10, 2011 at 4:43 am |
  9. MICHAEL

    If you knew the truth your heart would stop! if you God would show his face you would die !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(((((((((((((((((((((((

    April 10, 2011 at 3:51 am |
  10. David

    I can't believe this debate still exists in the United States a first world country with the best Universities in the world.

    Scientists could do themselves a big favor if they stopped calling Evolution a theory. There is a big difference between what scientists mean when they say "theory" as opposed to what the general population believes a "theory" is.

    And for you "intelligent Design" supporters out there. We don't teach "Intelligent Falling" in school to counter the theory of Gravity in schools.

    April 10, 2011 at 3:51 am |
    • atheist42

      You can't reason people out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. I mean, think about it... they believe a woman can be made out of a man's rib, and that snakes can talk. Meanwhile, they look at Xenu or Vishnu, and say, "That's Crazy, LOL". They believe the world flooded, yet never wonder how Noah got animals from other continents, like Australia. They believe man is made in their god's image, but never notice that every culture's god is in the same image of its people. Asian gods look like Asian people. Middle Eastern gods look like Middle Eastern people, with similar cultural beliefs. Greek gods look and dress like the Greeks.

      April 10, 2011 at 3:59 am |
    • Zoocko

      Evolution IS a theory. Because it is physically impossible to observe it occurring. However, it is a theory that continues to fit all the known facts, and so I will for now take it as the truth. IF, and only IF, there is another theory that fits all the facts and appears to make more sense, I would stop believing in evolution. For the record, a giant invisible being creating a universe that is billions of years old at time of creation and making everything as it is now is NOT a hypothesis that makes more sense. It makes NO sense. I'm just saying why evolution is just called a theory. I completely believe that it currently is the most accurate representation of how life came to be.

      April 10, 2011 at 4:09 am |
    • 2011

      Evolution is a fact. Evolutionary theory is a theory. A theory such as the theory of gravity can be as solidly confirmed scientifically as we can imagine.

      April 10, 2011 at 11:09 am |
    • SB

      Zoocko, just for clarification, we can and do see evolution occurring daily amongst bacteria and viral strains in biological labs. But also we have some very good examples of large scale morphological change in the peppered moth, fruit flies, Australian cane toads, Italian wall lizards, algae, and many plant species.

      April 10, 2011 at 7:40 pm |
    • derp

      "And for you "intelligent Design" supporters out there. We don't teach "Intelligent Falling" in school to counter the theory of Gravity in schools."

      There is no such thing as gravity. It is the hand of god pushing things down. Except for Chuck Norris, he can hover because he is stronger than god.

      April 11, 2011 at 4:55 pm |
  11. atheist42

    When people talk about "creationism" or "intelligent design", is it always the Christian or Abrahamic version? I mean, even the Iroquois Indians had ideas about creation. But, I imagine the people, most of which are Christians, don't want that version taught in schools. This leads me to believe it's all about proselytizing.

    April 10, 2011 at 3:50 am |
    • atheist42

      I guess it bugs me how Christians don't even acknowledge other beliefs exist. Contradictory beliefs, with different deities, and different holy texts. They seem to think America is a theocracy.

      April 10, 2011 at 3:53 am |
    • monkeyman

      My dad once said that buddhism was the greatest hoax ever created, thing is he has no idea what buddhism even is. That's one of the things that turned me off to christianity at an early age. I remember thinking if christianity is the one true faith, then virtually all of asia is going to hell just because they were born into another culture. That didn't seem right to me. What religion you are hinges more on where you are born, not what is true or not.

      April 10, 2011 at 5:40 am |
    • Concept

      @atheist42 – I think you are correct about some of that...and it bugs me too that many Christians act that way, yet they are always in the public eye, are they not?
      The OCD of believing in some religion can get pretty strong in some people. Rigid, unquestioning belief is a wrong way of thinking, as far as I'm concerned.

      April 11, 2011 at 2:21 am |
    • HeavenSent

      monkeyman, Jesus makes provisions for those that followed false gods. Read the Bible with eyes to see and ears to hear and you'll find His solution to what you posted without understanding.

      Amen.

      April 11, 2011 at 8:44 am |
  12. Mathra rag monster boo these rant the droids u looking fo fool

    Do not mock what you don't understand.

    April 10, 2011 at 3:50 am |
  13. Mathra rag monster boo these rant the droids u looking fo fool

    From then skies....an alien droid winks upon you.

    April 10, 2011 at 3:49 am |
  14. MICHAEL

    God rebukes your understanding! Don't think you might let everybody know you retarded!

    April 10, 2011 at 3:47 am |
  15. Chad Woodburn

    The author clearly seems to misunderstand (or else, misrepresent) Creationism. Creationists who believe that the universe was created just 6,000 years ago do not necessarily see any contradiction between that view of history and the view of scientists that the universe is billions of years old. To put it simply, Creationists (at least many of them) believe that about 6,000 years ago God created a universe that was billions of years old. Everything God created had the appearance of age that is consistent with what it would look like in its mature state. Adam was not created as a embryo, but as a mature adult. That's why creation is called a miracle.

    April 10, 2011 at 3:46 am |
    • Bryant

      Are you suggesting that God gave us our amazing intelligence in order for us *not* to use it? Are you suggesting that God planted false evidence to trick people into damnation? This is what you're suggesting by asserting that God created a universe 6000 years ago which looks billions of years old, is it not?

      Such traits are not those of an all-merciful and all-loving God. The God of Abraham would never trick any of His followers into damnation, and yet this is precisely what you're suggesting by asserting the belief that evolution is a falsehood. Evolution is the scientifically-verified method by which we came into existence, and to explain this away by casting the evidence as the fruit of the forbidden tree is to cast God in the light of an unforgiving and malevolent deity.

      You are, quite literally, committing heresy by suggesting that evolution is contrary to God. Chew on that for a while.

      April 10, 2011 at 3:49 am |
    • john hopkins

      the bible is a farce

      April 10, 2011 at 3:50 am |
    • Jose Sanchez

      The author understands. It's BioLogos, the group with a mission to promote a squishy, new-agey form of Christianity that isn't a threat to evolutionary biology. The organization can be understood as a physical manifestation of the founder's cognitive dissonance.

      April 10, 2011 at 4:02 am |
    • Andrew

      Joe, no version of Christianity is a threat to evolution. Evolution is a solid theory, and no matter of faith can discredit that. Theistic evolutionism is not squishy and new-agey, it's realistic.

      April 10, 2011 at 4:14 am |
    • Peace2All

      @Chad Woodburn

      Hi -Chad...

      You Said: "The author clearly seems to misunderstand (or else, misrepresent) Creationism. Creationists who believe that the universe was created just 6,000 years ago do not necessarily see any contradiction between that view of history and the view of scientists that the universe is billions of years old. You Said: "To put it simply, Creationists (at least many of them) believe that about (6,000 years ago God created a universe that was billions of years old). Everything God created had the appearance of age that is consistent with what it would look like in its mature state. Adam was not created as a embryo, but as a mature adult. That's why creation is called a miracle."

      Well, I can't prove you wrong... but... do 'you' actually 'believe' that 6,000 years ago, a God created a universe that was approximately 15 Billion years old...? It seems to me like Creationists are 'reeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllyyyyy' stretching the truth here to make their idea of 'Intelligent Design and Creationism 'fit' the current and ever refined and testable models of Science.

      But, hey... maybe you're right ! I have to be intellectually honest here. But, I gotta' say I am a laymen in terms of physics, mathematics, astronomy, geology, evolutionary biology, quantum physics and cosmology, etc... But, in my 'opinion' 'ID and 'Creationism' are attempting to keep up with the latest findings in science and it is becoming harder and harder as time goes on.

      Respectfully,

      Peace...

      April 10, 2011 at 4:17 am |
    • Q

      @Peace – Hi! I believe Chad is misinformed. The vast majority of creationists believe the apparent age of the universe is simply the product of flawed science and particularly for the earth, the effects of a mythical global flood. To protect a belief in a literal creation story, they would have all of the relevant scientific disciplines (e.g. astronomy, physics, chemistry, biology, geology, etc) be so fundamentally flawed as to be practically worthless (which clearly isn't the case given the everyday technologies directly based on these disciplines). Here, you often hear the "same evidence but different interpretations" argument, but this too is ingenuous in that it relies on special pleading for the capricious suspension of the constancy of natural physical laws to accommodate the magical mechanisms required of their proposed "interpretations".

      Still, there are a few creationists who argue for a created universe/earth/mankind with an artificial appearance of age but then they run afoul of their own theological precepts by invoking this Omphalo's hypothesis requiring their deity be a "deceiver" or "trickster" in creating a false history.

      April 10, 2011 at 5:26 am |
    • Peace2All

      @Q

      Hi -Q...back at ya' !

      I believe that you are correct that Chad is misinformed. As I have also heard that the majority of creationists believe the apparent age of the universe is just flawed science or the old 'biblical' blinking of an eye is akin to 1,000 years. I even believe that @airwx, the minister that often blogs here had some kind of mathematical algebraic equation that showed given those parameters, the current best guess of the age of the universe of 15 billion years (approximately), his mathematical equations came out to about to 'prove' that the truth of the Bible or somesuch.

      And, yes I agree with you, as the scientific refinements are tightening, in all of the respective disciplines mentioned by me and you, it is making it harder for the ID/Creationists to keep up with their God of the Gaps arguments.

      Because religious myths can't keep up with the science, they are getting even wilder in their claims to try and support ID. The concept of (-Self Sealing-) arguments comes to mind. 'Anything' in science that becomes a widely accepted and basically proven theory or model, just becomes 'incorporated' as more proof of ...God, or a Intelligent Designer.

      Actually, this was one of the few times I have seen or heard of someone suggesting that the Earth was created 6,000 years ago, and God... just basically built in a 15 billion yr. old Universe. Now, that's getting creative. As I suggested the claims are getting more and more, well ridiculous. I guess that's similar to God putting the fossils on Earth, etc... "Omphalo's" hypothesis.

      Always a pleasure chatting with you...

      Peace brother...

      April 10, 2011 at 5:50 am |
    • Stephen Boatman

      This is to BRYANT..

      God IS an all-merciful and all-loving God. God did give us intelligence to use. He never dooms people (whom he created for his service) to damnation. This is where God wants us to use our intellect. To tell right from wrong, TRUTH FROM FALSE. To heal people, give justice to ones who deserve it, but back to truth from false. God allows ideas, theories, beliefs, situations, emotions, people and many other things in the world that are not of him to test US. Not to condemn us, but to see if we will make the right decision and go in his path. Notice how everything in the Bible is inspired by God. What is evolution inspired by? MAN. Who controls man on earth? SATAN! So YES evolution is a FALSEHOOD!!!

      April 10, 2011 at 1:53 pm |
    • Jose Sanchez

      @Andrew, by that I mean it's a threat to evolutionary biology because it spends a great deal of time attacking it, attempting to defund it, replacing its textbooks with religiously motivated ones, etc.. Their founder really wants to believe and so doesn't want to take Christianity head-on, but also doesn't want them meddling in his field, and so he founded this organization that promotes new-agey Christianity.

      April 10, 2011 at 2:09 pm |
    • Bryant

      @Stephen Boatman

      "God IS an all-merciful and all-loving God. God did give us intelligence to use. He never dooms people (whom he created for his service) to damnation. This is where God wants us to use our intellect. To tell right from wrong, TRUTH FROM FALSE. To heal people, give justice to ones who deserve it, but back to truth from false. God allows ideas, theories, beliefs, situations, emotions, people and many other things in the world that are not of him to test US. Not to condemn us, but to see if we will make the right decision and go in his path. Notice how everything in the Bible is inspired by God. What is evolution inspired by? MAN. Who controls man on earth? SATAN! So YES evolution is a FALSEHOOD!!!"

      The fundamental flaw to your logic is that evolution is not inspired by man. Evolution is a description of a scientifically validated and proven process. It isn't a man-made invention; it's merely a description of how things actually occur. Therefore, since evolution is *not* inspired by man and since it *is* a description of a scientifically validated event, evolution is fact, and to strike it down is to be blasphemous in the face of the Lord in which you believe.

      Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

      April 10, 2011 at 8:14 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      The first earth age is millions upon millions of years old. God destroyed the first earth age due to satan rebelling against him and taking 1/3 of God's angels with him. God then created the world again approximately 14,000 years ago. This is called the second earth age and you can read about it in the Bible (Genesis to Revelation).

      True science and the Bible are in harmony with each other. Non-believers don't know how to cross reference the Bible to learn these truths in the Bible. Hence, why you don't believe Jesus' truth. For you have no eyes to see, nor ears to hear His truth. Because you don't believe, you won't believe. It's your mindset not to follow or understand Jesus' truth. It is not Jesus' problem, nor Christians. You own what you believe.

      Amen.

      April 11, 2011 at 8:40 am |
    • RFBJR

      Chad, I never thought about that. That is a very interesting and profound point of view. Wow. I think you just strengthened the creation argument immensely. Thank you.

      April 11, 2011 at 1:58 pm |
    • derp

      That's nuttier than a pocket full of almonds

      April 11, 2011 at 4:43 pm |
    • derp

      "For you have no eyes to see, nor ears to hear His truth."

      Once, just once, I'd like to get an accurate description of Jesus' voice and looks. Everyone claims to have foundhime, seen him or heard him. Yet nobody knows what he looks or sounds like. Is he short or all? Does he have a beard? Does he wear old robes or is he more of Ralph Lauren type? Does he really sound just like morgan Freeman?

      I If nobody tells me what he looks and sounds like. How the @#&* am I supposed to find him?

      April 11, 2011 at 4:47 pm |
  16. MICHAEL

    How can you even think you under stand time if you really don"t know the speed your traveling ? You are as dumb as you sound!

    April 10, 2011 at 3:44 am |
  17. MICHAEL

    Time is not for you to understand ,what you may takes for a day is not a day)) the span of time it takes to create a world or a mass is not the same as you understand it ( is day and night way to clock time No! they both happen at the same time they are place markers of places in time !!!!(((((((((((((((((

    April 10, 2011 at 3:41 am |
  18. Paul

    Jesus wouldn't need to "believe" in anything. Being one in being with the omniscient Father, He would KNOW how life came to be (However that was). This question is nothing but blatant propaganda.

    April 10, 2011 at 3:38 am |
    • Tim

      I know that I exist. I believe that I exist. Show me where those statements contradict each other.

      April 10, 2011 at 3:46 am |
    • Bryant

      Are you suggesting that God gave us our amazing intelligence in order for us *not* to use it? Are you suggesting that God planted false evidence to trick people into damnation?

      Such traits are not those of an all-merciful and all-loving God. The God of Abraham would never trick any of His followers into damnation, and yet this is precisely what you're suggesting by asserting the belief that evolution is a falsehood. Evolution is the scientifically-verified method by which we came into existence, and to explain this away by casting the evidence as the fruit of the forbidden tree is to cast God in the light of an unforgiving and malevolent deity.

      You are, quite literally, committing heresy by suggesting that evolution is contrary to God. Chew on that for a while.

      April 10, 2011 at 3:47 am |
    • Steve Wilkinson

      Well, and Jesus also wouldn't fail to define a term like 'evolution' and then use it as a straw-man...

      April 10, 2011 at 6:44 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Bryant, God loves you as well as everyone. He gave you free will. To love and follow His truth so you can spiritually live while on earth, as it is in heaven, to dwell with Him for eternity. 2nd choice is to love and follow satan's lies. Spiritually die on earth, as it is in paradise, the day of the Lord. Still hate Jesus, go to the eternal flames, blotted out. No eternity for you. You non-believers always get Jesus' truth backwards. You are the liar. Not Jesus. Jesus doesn't hate you. You hate him. Therefore, for despising Him, you send your soul to the eternal flames, blotted out, no eternity for you. Jesus just obliges you of your wishes. So, STOP blaming Him for your bad behaviors because you're too lazy to read His letter to all of us (the Bible). You own how you think, what you write, your actions in life. Not Him. He gave you the choice to follow His truth to live righteously. You chose not to do so.

      Amen.

      April 11, 2011 at 8:27 am |
    • Bryant

      @HeavenSent

      "Bryant, God loves you as well as everyone. He gave you free will. To love and follow His truth so you can spiritually live while on earth, as it is in heaven, to dwell with Him for eternity. 2nd choice is to love and follow satan's lies. Spiritually die on earth, as it is in paradise, the day of the Lord. Still hate Jesus, go to the eternal flames, blotted out. No eternity for you. You non-believers always get Jesus' truth backwards. You are the liar. Not Jesus. Jesus doesn't hate you. You hate him. Therefore, for despising Him, you send your soul to the eternal flames, blotted out, no eternity for you. Jesus just obliges you of your wishes. So, STOP blaming Him for your bad behaviors because you're too lazy to read His letter to all of us (the Bible). You own how you think, what you write, your actions in life. Not Him. He gave you the choice to follow His truth to live righteously. You chose not to do so."

      You're telling me to believe a book consisting of generational hear-say over repeatably proven facts? It was this mentality which kept the world locked in the Dark Ages for a millenium.

      April 11, 2011 at 10:27 am |
    • derp

      "2nd choice is to love and follow satan's lies."

      Third choice is to believe none of this hocus pocus and lead a happy and fulfilling life.

      I'll take door number three.

      April 11, 2011 at 4:39 pm |
  19. What Would Dionysus Do?

    Would Porky believe in Evolution? How about Achilles? Indiana Jones?

    As Eric Idle once said of religious nutters, "When you are stupid, there's nothing that can be done."

    April 10, 2011 at 3:19 am |
    • Kevin

      As many have said .... those promoting hate should be arrested.

      April 10, 2011 at 6:10 am |
    • Draken

      It's not so much about stupidity as a form of mental illness, although evidence shows religious people being generally less intelligent.
      The problem with delusional people is that you can't correct their delusions. It's a waste of time trying to argue rationally with people who have irrational beliefs.

      April 10, 2011 at 6:21 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Draken, to write your hatred proves you haven't matured. Or in your case, evolved.

      Amen.

      April 11, 2011 at 8:13 am |
    • derp

      "Draken, to write your hatred proves you haven't matured. Or in your case, evolved."

      The fact the he is alive and typing proves evolution to be a sound theory. If you actually understood evolutional theory, you would know that.

      April 11, 2011 at 4:36 pm |
  20. Kenny

    Evolution??? You have got to be joking or not saved, bottom line. Evolution assumes increased functionality and intellect. This is proven to be false. Souls do not evolve. you may be de-volving in theology, truth and the Word, and that is on a good day, at best. Where do you get your insanity?

    April 10, 2011 at 1:16 am |
    • Q

      "Evolution assumes increased functionality and intellect." False. Evolution is based upon compet-ition (within and between species) among phenotypic variants to access resources and successfully reproduce. Both "functionality" and "intellect" are relative terms with respect to a given environment at a given time and so evolution "assumes" neither, but rather, whatever works to achieve the aforementioned goals.

      April 10, 2011 at 1:43 am |
    • Smite Me

      Fine, Kenny... you stay in your church, crawling around on your hands and knees and believing in superst.itious magic. The rest of us will learn to stand, then to walk, then to boil an egg, then to prepare a 7 course meal. Maybe we'll give you a bite. Please stay out of our way and don't trip us as we progress.

      April 10, 2011 at 2:00 am |
    • Peace2All

      @Kenny

      Hi -Kenny...

      You Said: "Evolution??? You have got to be joking or not saved, bottom line. Evolution assumes increased functionality and intellect. This is proven to be false. Souls do not evolve. you may be de-volving in theology, truth and the Word, and that is on a good day, at best. Where do you get your insanity?"

      My friend, @ Q, quite soundly corrected your assertions and misunderstandings concerning 'evolution,' accurately and elegantly. So, I definitely -agree- with his views.

      And...I would like to address the part of your assertion where...You Said: "(Souls) do not evolve. you may be de-volving in theology, truth and the Word, and that is on a good day, at best. Where do you get your insanity?"

      In my opinion, -Kenny, your whole posting, including the 2nd part which I quoted you on, is based on pure 'speculation.'

      And allow me to suggest why.

      You are making several *inferences* and you are *presupposing* things as 'absolute unquestioned *facts,* which you are basing your whole argument on. Things like:

      1)Being 'not' 'saved' *means* the author of the article is wrong. Or... the other option is he 'must be kidding.' You are inferring these 2 choices as facts in your argument. Whether the author is saved or not, has nothing to do with the validity of his arguments, whether you agree with them or not. Also, you are as-suming 'just' 2 choices for that matter.

      2)You Said: "Souls do not evolve." Again, you are claiming without proof and presupposing that a) there is absolutely something that exists you call a 'soul.' b) You are also claiming that what you call... 'Souls' do not 'evolve.' Again, more unfounded speculation. Actually, in some other religions like Hinduism and certain sects of Buddhism, for instance, they believe that all life's essences, or 'souls' 'can' and 'do' 'evolve.' I mention this as they (some people that practice Hinduism/Buddhism) are also making claims without proof. And also, there are a 'multi-tude' of other world-views and beliefs about the nature of the soul, besides yours. Which one is the 'truth' and how do we 'know'...?

      3)Claiming the author is basically 'insane.' Where do you get this...? I mean, you may in fact be right... I will certainly concede to that, but the author is making a good case to help update Christianity with the latest findings in Science. In my opinion, I hardly see that as 'insane.' Quite the contrary.

      Point being -Kenny, your whole posting is based on, at least at this point, 'unproven (intagibles).' Again, I'm 'not' saying that you are 'absolutely incorrect.' You may well, in fact happen to guess accurately, and you know the nature of reality. And...maybe you are 'spot on' correct about everything.

      However, I think in this discussion, especially when we are dealing in the realm of 'intangible metaphysical' concepts, it is very important to realize there is a big difference between 'strong and fervent *beliefs* which you seem to have (which are o.k.) as somehow = to the nature of reality or... 'Absolute' *Facts* ... and that is just simply not so... necessarily.

      I am sincerely curious as to your response to @Q and myself, if you happen to make it back here to respond.

      I wish you well...

      Respectfully,

      Peace...

      April 10, 2011 at 2:55 am |
    • Marian Paroo

      Probably. He was a smart open minded guy, not willing to believe in religious rhetoric "just because."

      And that cost him his life.

      April 10, 2011 at 3:38 am |
    • Anthony

      Its not something for you to BELIEVE in. ITS FACT! If you wanna ignore facts that thats fine. Live a life of ignorance. Beliefs are for theories, not facts.

      April 10, 2011 at 3:50 am |
    • Emilio Dumphuque

      @ Kenny:
      Since you don't believe in evolution, it would be wrong for you to use antibiotics that were developed to counter it's effects. Next time you need antibiotics to go on living, INSIST on the good, ol' original penicillin!

      April 10, 2011 at 4:08 am |
    • Sam

      Ignorance ..!

      April 10, 2011 at 5:35 am |
    • Sam

      Next time you get sick, hit the Church not the hospital.

      April 10, 2011 at 5:36 am |
    • mark

      i personally believe that evolution and creation are still theories. But I believe that evolution and abiogenisis are completely different. The author incorrectly identifies these two as the same.

      April 10, 2011 at 9:24 am |
    • ArtInChicago

      No Kenny, evolution purports adaptability for the purpose of survival. Intellect nor increased function are not part of it.

      April 10, 2011 at 1:57 pm |
    • SB

      Mark, for your clarification, evolution is both a theory and a fact. It is so in the same way that gravity is both a theory and a fact. Abiogenesis, on the other hand, describes the origin of life. And you're right, there is no theory for the origin of life just yet. However, you're mistaken in thinking that these are two distinctly separate processes. The division between life and lifelessness allows us to artificially distinguish between theories on the origin of life and the theory of evolution in exactly the same way that we do for planet formation and geology. We fully understood rocks and strata before we understood how it was deposited. In the same way we will likely fully understand the evolution of life before we understand how life started.

      April 10, 2011 at 7:56 pm |
    • shofar

      "Souls do not evolve" Can you prove this statement? Or at least prove the existence of soul?

      April 11, 2011 at 2:25 am |
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