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My Take: Jesus would believe in evolution and so should you
The most compelling evidence for evolution comes from the study of genes.
April 10th, 2011
01:00 AM ET

My Take: Jesus would believe in evolution and so should you

Editor's Note: Karl W. Giberson, Ph.D., is vice president of The BioLogos Foundation and is the author or coauthor of seven books, including The Language of Science and Faith.

By Karl W. Giberson, Special to CNN

Jesus once famously said, “I am the Truth.”

Christianity at its best embodies this provocative idea and has long been committed to preserving, expanding and sharing truth. Most of the great universities of the world were founded by Christians committed to the truth—in all its forms—and to training new generations to carry it forward.

When science began in the 17th century, Christians eagerly applied the new knowledge to alleviate suffering and improve living conditions.

But when it comes to the truth of evolution, many Christians feel compelled to look the other way. They hold on to a particular interpretation of an ancient story in Genesis that they have fashioned into a modern account of origins - a story that began as an oral tradition for a wandering tribe of Jews thousands of years ago.

This is the view on display in a $27 million dollar Creation Museum in Kentucky. It inspired the Institute for Creation Research, which purports to offer scientific support for creationism.

And it’s hardly a fringe view. A 2010 Gallup poll indicated that 4 in 10 Americans think that “God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so.” (http://www.gallup.com/poll/145286/four-americans-believe-strict-creationism.aspx)

While Genesis contains wonderful insights into the relationship between God and the creation, it simply does not contain scientific ideas about the origin of the universe, the age of the earth or the development of life.

For more than two centuries, careful scientific research, much of it done by Christians, has demonstrated clearly that the earth is billions years old, not mere thousands, as many creationists argue. We now know that the human race began millions of years ago in Africa - not thousands of years ago in the Middle East, as the story in Genesis suggests.

And all life forms are related to each other though evolution. These are important truths that science has discovered through careful research. They are not “opinions” that can be set aside if you don’t like them.

Anyone who values truth must take these ideas seriously, for they have been established as true beyond any reasonable doubt.

There is much evidence for evolution. The most compelling comes from the study of genes, especially now that the Human Genome Project has been completed and the genomes of many other species being constantly mapped.

In particular, humans share an unfortunate “broken gene” with many other primates, including chimpanzees, orangutans, and macaques. This gene, which works fine in most mammals, enables the production of Vitamin C. Species with broken versions of the gene can’t make Vitamin C and must get it from foods like oranges and lemons.

Thousands of hapless sailors died painful deaths scurvy during the age of exploration because their “Vitamin C” gene was broken.

How can different species have identical broken genes? The only reasonable explanation is that they inherited it from a common ancestor.

Not surprisingly, evolution since the time of Darwin has claimed that humans, orangutans, chimpanzees, and macaques evolved recently from a common ancestor. The new evidence from genetics corroborates this.

Such evidence proves common ancestry with a level of certainty comparable to the evidence that the earth goes around the sun.

This is but one of many, many evidences that support the truth of evolution - that make it a “sacred fact” that Christians must embrace in the name of truth. And they should embrace this truth with enthusiasm, for this is the world that God created.

Christians must come to welcome - rather than fear - the ideas of evolution. Truths about Nature are sacred, for they speak of our Creator. Such truths constitute “God’s second book” for Christians to read alongside the Bible.

In the 17th century, Galileo used the metaphor of the “two books” to help Christians of his generation understand the sacred truth that the earth moves about the sun. “The Bible,” he liked to say, “tells us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens ago.”

To understand how the heavens go we must read the book of Nature, not the Bible.

The Book of nature reveals the truth that God created the world through gradual processes over billions of years, rather than over the course of six days, as many creationists believe.

Evolution does not contradict the Bible unless you force an unreasonable interpretation on that ancient book.

To suppose, as the so-called young earth creationists do, that God dictated modern scientific ideas to ancient and uncomprehending scribes is to distort the biblical message beyond recognition. Modern science was not in the worldview of the biblical authors and it is not in the Bible.

Science is not a sinister enterprise aimed at destroying faith. It’s an honest exploration of the wonderful world that God created.

We are often asked to think about what Jesus would do, if he lived among us today. Who would Jesus vote for? What car would he drive?

To these questions we should add “What would Jesus believe about origins?”

And the answer? Jesus would believe evolution, of course. He cares for the Truth.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Karl W. Giberson.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Bible • Christianity • Culture & Science • Culture wars • Opinion • Science

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  1. Religious Sects

    Today's Religious seem to me like the last of our ancestors coming out of the trees, the ones afraid to let go of that last branch.

    April 10, 2011 at 8:00 pm |
  2. Nppa1234

    http://www.venganza.org/
    Read it just proves that faith is fear and paranoia to relieve the brain of ones death and the believers false reality that we have some were to go in the end which leads to the evils which are committed by man to have no fear, due to the fact all religions actually breed barbarism.. In the end we perceive what we are told. Until one uses his/her higher reason to understand we are the only ones on this planet, besides animals. There is no need for a purpose in life because everyone has the same purpose to survive for our species the way we see fit. When looking at religion; they use intimidation in speech to control or coax a person into what they believe is for the best for them. Then they add if you don't believe "you will go to hell!" Which in actually is a way of playing on ones paranoia that a person believe hell extincts. If a person doesn't believe in hell then does hell really existence for that person. The answer is no, because higher reasoning tells us this is; humans only have one life to live period and must do good, because in this life since it is the only life and can be used to judge someone then judge ones self on how he has acted toward society. This is just one question to answer now the question of GOD is in check and the basic's. Does everyone know there history. The scrolls themselves have been dated in which this shows actual proof that God did not existence, but was also written by man to control man so he does not hurt his fellow man. It was very helpful towards the people who were dying of the plague. How does someone explain to a child that your entire family was wiped out due to a virus and they did not have much knowledge on viruses. So out comes Christianity explaining things to people who had very little of there higher reasoning. That it was a virus that was killing people. So at that time yes Christianity was a good thing, but for our reasoning now it has little bearing, nor does it even have bearing if we can now create life. We have also been able to do this so just a human walking around means there is no god and that evolution is the only theory.

    April 10, 2011 at 7:59 pm |
  3. Terry Brookman

    It's what Jesus was all about.

    April 10, 2011 at 7:58 pm |
  4. Platypus

    Who was Jesus anyway? Any relation with Santa?

    April 10, 2011 at 7:57 pm |
  5. Shaun W

    While mutation is the ultimate decider of natural selection, and is ultimately random, natural selection is far from a random process. It is the selection of genes conferring a higher level of fitness to organisms who are more able to survive in specific environmental conditions. If an organism with a mutation is able to survive better than an organism without that mutation, it will live, and it will possibly confer its advantageous genes to its progeny.

    April 10, 2011 at 7:56 pm |
  6. Dan

    Evolution is how it happened, but why did the universe beat the 1 in 100 trillion odds to produce organisms with immune systems, central nervous systems, and consciousness? When science answers this, then it may disprove God.

    April 10, 2011 at 7:54 pm |
    • Joe

      Just because science doesn't have an answer doesn't mean your nonsense is correct. Until you prove to me how the universe started, my theory that a giant blue unicorn with rainbows shooting out of its ass created everything. Science doesn't have an answer? Looks like giant blue rainbow crapping unicorn still holds true!

      April 10, 2011 at 7:59 pm |
    • awaysaway

      It had to "beat the odds" otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation. Or perhaps it would have "beaten the odds" in some other way in which case you might have posed essentially the same question but with a different list of items of (staggering) complexity.

      April 10, 2011 at 8:56 pm |
    • SB

      There is the multi-verse hypothesis which states that all possible universes physically exist, but are inaccessible to one another. If this is the case then an observer evolving in any one of these universe will naturally see themselves as privileged, existing inside a universe, inside a galaxy, next to a star, on a planet all seemingly designed for their specific biology and specific needs. But, in the same way that the outward expansion of our universe creates the illusion that we're at its center, the "purposeful design" of our universe is also an illusion. Our universe, according to this hypothesis, is not designed, but rather one in an infinite set of universes, within which our highly improbable universe is in fact inevitable. More credence would be lent to the hypothesis if we could eliminate from our set all universes within which an observer could not evolve, thus allowing us to deal with a discrete set of variables. If we assume that all natural laws are quantized then that may in fact be the case, but so far there is no way to test... well... any of this. The only advantage these hypotheses have over purely religious narrative is that they do tend to be backed up by some maths, and they are vastly more logical. But until we can test them they're not of much use to us.

      April 10, 2011 at 8:58 pm |
  7. Joe

    My Lord and Savior, Zumbabumba, dwelling deep in the bottom of the great lakes, deep down in the center of the Earth, laughs at you all. Zumbabumba believes that eating grain and drinking juice are the most mortalist of all sins. We must create legislature to prevent all of man from eating grain and drinking juice, for this is the will of my god. I am willing to lay down my life for this, for I know in death I will be seated at the left hand of Zumbabumba. All ye shall be forced at bullwhip point to obey these laws. Zumbabumba has written it!!! So let Zumbabumba's will be done! Death to infidels!!!

    April 10, 2011 at 7:54 pm |
  8. ScienceSoma

    How can we trust our memory? That's a part of your argument? Then there is no reason to discuss this at all because I cannot trust that the knowledge you have is trustworthy by your own definition.

    April 10, 2011 at 7:54 pm |
  9. CMW

    Since the question is in regard to what Jesus would believe, why don't we let Him speak on the matter? Jesus said in John 5:45-47 (New American Standard Bible)- 45"Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father; the one who accuses you is Moses, in whom you have set your hope. 46"For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. 47"But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"

    Since Moses wrote Genesis, It would seem that according to verse 47, Jesus is a proponent of the creation event...or does that make too much sense? Not accepting what Moses wrote as was given him by God would seem to preclude one from accepting anything Jesus said, does it not? In which case, I doubt very much if the proponents of evolution would care very much about Jesus' views on the matter.

    April 10, 2011 at 7:49 pm |
  10. m

    Travis, where would you like me to begin? Should I begin with how the various dating methods are inaccurate? What about Information Theory? Or there is issue of mutations. It's rather a large spectrum of material to cover, so a starting point is great.

    April 10, 2011 at 7:45 pm |
  11. SKyle

    True Christians would say that God does indeed believe in evolution. Why? Because a true Christian would believe that God invented evolution much like he devised everything else in the universe. It's all rubbish to me, but I was raised by Neo-Conservative Lutherans and Catholics and know exactly how they justify all scientific matters. It was all planned by a mastermind in the sky...

    April 10, 2011 at 7:42 pm |
  12. Stephen

    One does not "believe" in evolution; one accepts it or one does not. Mountains of evidence support it from Darwin's work to the present time. Belief is reserved for myths and religions wherein there is no evidence or wherein there are claims that science can disprove (e.g., some myths claim that native Americans are a lost tribe of Israel – demonstrably false).

    April 10, 2011 at 7:40 pm |
    • IQuestionAll

      There is ample evidence for natural selection. Not Evolution! Too many of your 'proofs' have been debunked. You truly must have faith in evolution to 'believe' it.

      April 10, 2011 at 7:49 pm |
    • Stephen

      IQuestionAll,

      If you knew more basic science you would not stumble over things like that. Natural selection is evolution's engine. And we have the fossil record.

      April 10, 2011 at 7:52 pm |
    • IceT

      UQuestionAll...Stephen has it right, evolution is to be accepted not believed...big difference. I think you need to ask the right questions when questioning it all..lol

      April 10, 2011 at 7:56 pm |
    • IQuestionAll

      @ IceTea, Accept, as in, it is forced upon you. As in, Tolerate it. Heck of a defense there.

      April 10, 2011 at 8:03 pm |
    • Religious Sects

      IQuestionAll... LOL, yes..reality is "forced" on those of us who actually question with the intent of learning the truth.

      April 10, 2011 at 8:10 pm |
    • SB

      @IQuestionAll

      Explain how you can have natural selection without evolution? By definition, if natural selection is occurring then a change in allelic frequency within the population is occurring, and that is evolution. There are other ways evolution can occur, such as certain radical mutations like polyploidy (mostly in plants), hybridization, and genetic drift. These of course have been observed in nature as well as natural selection, and all mechanisms invariably lead to speciation that gives rise to new phylogenetic radiations that add to the tree of life.

      April 10, 2011 at 8:35 pm |
  13. Scott

    It is frightening how far behind the rest of the first world the U.S. is falling in terms of science. Europe has very little religion, yet their people are taken care of when they're sick, and are well educated. Meanwhile, the religious loons destroy their childrens' future prospects in the world by telling them the earth is only 10,000 years old. Thankfully, we still have bastions of intelligence on the East and West coasts.

    April 10, 2011 at 7:40 pm |
    • IQuestionAll

      Another anti-Christian. "Loons"? I hope your mommy taught you better than name calling. Or are you that insecure with your "belief" system?

      April 10, 2011 at 7:45 pm |
    • Stephen

      I think religion does little more than teach people to not change their minds when presented with better information than they previously had and foster in-group / out-group discrimination. One of humankind's uglier inventions. It does not surprise me that more secular, enlightened societies are far more humanitarian.

      April 10, 2011 at 7:50 pm |
    • IQuestionAll

      @ Stephen, Which secular societies? Castro, Chavez, Ahmanutjob, North Korea, China, Russia, Syria, Iran, these secular societies are awaiting your insightful thoughts. Name a totally atheist/agnostic society 'enlightened' that makes Christianity look comparatively so bad.

      April 10, 2011 at 7:59 pm |
    • Stephen

      IQuestionAll,

      First, half of your list or more consists of Middle Eastern countries. They are heavily Islamic and fundamentally religious. Are you telling me IRAN is a secular country? Really, completely false. North Korea has a religion: the dictator is worshiped as a god, and he must be worshipped. South America? heavily Catholic. You may have one in Castro, but Castro did not do what he did *because* of secularism. Great internecine conflict produced him. Have you ever read about his predecessor? Equally brutal and he was hardly Communist.

      April 10, 2011 at 8:08 pm |
    • IQuestionAll

      @ Stephen, thanks for your half-reply. My question for you was presented for you to answer the second part.....Name a totally atheist/agnostic society, 'enlightened', that makes Christianity look comparatively so bad.

      April 10, 2011 at 8:25 pm |
  14. ThinkAgain

    Genesis, like all creation stories (and every culture has one; sorry, Christians, but you don't have a lock on the market), explains the beginning of the universe reflecting the understanding of the universe at that time. Scientific fact and evolution do that, too: there is no negation of God, just a scientific explanation of what happened.

    Literal thinkers do themselves and others a disservice by their inability to think metaphorically, missing the point of what they are trying to prove.

    April 10, 2011 at 7:40 pm |
    • SB

      Conflict exists between religion and science for so called non-literaists as well, because at some point, somewhere down the line, some deeply held belief of theirs is going to be stomped on by the brutally honest, wholly unapologetic scientific method. It's not always about the origin of life for these people. Love, altruism, beauty and self-awareness are very common areas of conflict as well. Science has very adequate explanations for these things and yet religious apologists continue to pile on excuse after excuse in deference to everything that we know, ignoring the evidence in order to hold onto their antiquated invented narrative of how the world works. Biblical literalists are some of the foulest of these apologists, but believe me, the BS goes all the way up the line to the most liberal of theists.

      April 10, 2011 at 8:23 pm |
  15. Jim Weix, Palm City FL

    I fail to understand the problem that so many people have with evolution. Even while attending Catholic grade school, between 1956 and 1963, nobody was telling us that there was a conflict between believing that God created life and evolution.
    God created life through evolution. Only a complete moron would think that HE just started plunking animals and fish around. God gave us a wonderful brain. I believe that HE expects us to use it and not read the Bible like it was some sort of comic book.
    The Bible was written to be understood by a population of totally uneducated people. The stories in the Bible had to be almost in comic book form, so that the people reading it could understand a concept like God created Man.
    I am a good Christian and try to be an instrument of God's Will. However, I grow tired of defending myself to people that think that I am a one of the moronic Creationists. These people are not even Christian; they are just stupid.
    Most Christians that I know use the wonderful brain that God gave them.

    April 10, 2011 at 7:35 pm |
    • gogogopher

      are you talking about the Abrahamic god....? God of J.ewish... Chri..stian... Musli..m peoples?
      God that killed kids with bears?
      God that sent angels to have whoopie with girls and women?

      Wow....that's a big, bad god.

      April 10, 2011 at 7:47 pm |
    • Thirsty

      How refreshing to see an objective post. Why does creation have to conflict with evolution, it appears they are one in the same to me. I like how you put that God would not just start plunking fish in the sea and animals on the land that was a hoot, but it's true. What is really interesting is the bible and creation theory have many similarities one being how animals started in the water and eventually rose to the shores to populate the land, the bible and evolution totally agree that aspect.

      April 10, 2011 at 7:56 pm |
    • True Christian

      A true Christian does not disgrace the bible like you have. A true Christian does not belittle his fellow Christians like you have.

      April 10, 2011 at 8:14 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      "A true Christian does not disgrace the bible like you have. A true Christian does not belittle his fellow Christians like you have."
      I agree totally with what you said! What part of the Bible does he then believe?

      April 10, 2011 at 8:20 pm |
  16. fsmgroupie

    what did jesus' dna look like-- -half god , half virgin mary

    April 10, 2011 at 7:35 pm |
    • Jesusfreakazoid

      Good one...

      April 10, 2011 at 8:02 pm |
  17. TheTruthful

    READ THIS: Everything has a maker, and purpose. Even something as simple as a pen isn't made without purpose. Now, if you were to look at something like a Car, you surely wouldn't say that this car just so happened to come into exsistance, why? Because the car is sophisticated and took intelligence to make. Now look at our human bodies, just once cell in our bodies carries over 900 books filled of information inside the nucleus. & Just one cell functions more efficient and better than any other city in the world. You've heard the old saying "You don't see the wind, but you know it's there". There's many things in this world we can't see as humans because limited. This life is just a test from God, we all shall taste death eventually, so you must think about your purpose in life before your time is up. God gave you a brain, so use it.

    April 10, 2011 at 7:32 pm |
    • Robert

      Actually, my brain evolved a high enough level of complexity over eons to see that a "imaginary man in the sky" is not real. too bad yours hasnt evolved enough. Its OK, much of the US population hasnt either (Particularly in the Southern states)

      April 10, 2011 at 7:42 pm |
    • gogogopher

      are you talking about the same god that killed 42 children with two bears? The same god that sent angels to have boom boom with girls and women..... and nine months later... a race of giants were born...... Then god was like, "oh...made a mistake... I will flood the world..."
      is that the god/allah/jesus you're talking about?

      April 10, 2011 at 7:43 pm |
    • ScienceSoma

      First, you assert that everything has a maker and a purpose. You need to provide proof of this assertion before going further. Second, nature is not a man made item. The fallacy in your argument is that you know a car to be made by man because you have nature as a reference point to compare it to. If your argument were valid, we would not be able to distinguish the difference between man made and "God" made because they would all just be things created by intelligences. Third, yes we are limited, which is why we put forth limited ideas like "God" for creation and everyday events. We can't fathom the entirety of our universe, so we create limited ideas with our limited minds to make them simpler for us. Evolution is a complex idea that requires some further understanding and knowledge beyond what the average person is willing to put in and God is easier to understand. "He's this human-like presence that makes everything happen." Finally, to go from asserting that an intelligence created the universe to that intelligence caring about who and what you are is a complete non-sequitur with a chasm you need to build a bridge to get to, which you certainly did not. Putting forth analogies as a staple argument without understanding the concept of the analogy demonstrates nothing. What you have is nonsense passed off as logic.

      April 10, 2011 at 7:45 pm |
    • Jesusfreakazoid

      Everything has a maker?

      Who made God?

      I'll give you the answer.

      Man

      April 10, 2011 at 7:46 pm |
    • IceT

      I love the "READ THIS:" Pretext, as though you have something new & profound to say, based in fact & wisdom.

      April 10, 2011 at 7:49 pm |
    • TheTruthful

      God is not a MAN. God is nothing like his creation, he is only one. This life is but a test, calamity, and tragedies happen all the time. But if this world was peaceful, how can God judge those who are righteous and generous people without having people in need of help? If this world was free from calamity, death, famine, tragedies. Then this world would be perfect, but it's not. Now you can live your life freely, or you can research the truth. Because whatever life you have, you will be resurrected upon what you've done on earth. Because the one who gave you life, and the one who will give you death, will also be the one to resurrect you. No one who dies, wishes they had opened up one more bank account, I'm not telling you to convert, but to think. Jesus, is but a prophet of God. God cannot die, God is ever-lasting.

      April 10, 2011 at 7:53 pm |
    • Jesusfreakazoid

      Yes, God needs to find out who is rightous and who is not. Then he will torture the unrightous for all of eternity. Why? Because he loves us.

      April 10, 2011 at 8:00 pm |
  18. Paul

    That has to be the silliest question that CNN ever posed. Jesus is timeless. The Gospel of John starts out, " 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made." How could the Christ of the Bible believe in evolution? And how can you say it's a proven fact? If so, make something living. Then tell me how, in a stark and sterile environment, that life could just come into being? And if it's that easy, why is planet earth the only one with life? Unable to face the issue of "Is there a God" mankind is forced to go searching for some very difficult answers.

    April 10, 2011 at 7:30 pm |
    • gogogopher

      You talking about the same Jesus that sent two bears to maul 42 children?

      April 10, 2011 at 7:39 pm |
    • Necrosis

      The theory of evolution doesn't encompass the origin of life. That is a separate study called abiogenesis. Go back to school, Paul.

      And how do you know that no other planets contain life? There are billions of planets in the universe; have you visited any of them other than Earth?

      April 10, 2011 at 8:06 pm |
    • dgatwood

      How do you know Earth is the only planet with life? Although we haven't found life outside of Earth yet, that doesn't mean it isn't there. We're still discovering species in our own oceans that have been around for millions of years. And if memory serves, thus far, we've only landed probes on four solid bodies in our solar system (Venus, Mars, the moon, and an asteroid), and of those, we've only really looked for life on one of them (Mars).

      April 10, 2011 at 8:17 pm |
  19. ScienceSoma

    The biggest question you must ask yourself is: What matters more to me – truth or comfort? If you do not honestly care enough about whether your beliefs are true because they bring you comfort, then stop arguing with who believe otherwise. One can only debate truths that can be discovered by both parties. If you do care if your beliefs are true, then question every part of it until you find the answers. In a scientific world where scientists set out to disprove one another, evolution is overwhelmingly, undoubtedly true as it has withstood rigorous questioning, thorough observation, and rigorous experimentation.

    April 10, 2011 at 7:30 pm |
    • airwx

      I understand your premise but only take issue with your characterizations. I can hold fast to faith and care about its' truth while holding fast to science and care about its' truth equally. One is a spiritual concept the other temporal. There is no need to denegrate either to find comfort.

      April 10, 2011 at 7:38 pm |
    • ScienceSoma

      Faith is a persistent belief without evidence or despite evidence. Also, spiritual is a very subjective word and is as lose as the person defining it. I think you can maintain a sense of mystery and wonder, but I wouldn't classify that as spiritual. I respectfully disagree that truth and faith can coexist without cognitive dissonance.

      April 10, 2011 at 7:48 pm |
    • Jesus

      I believe in evolution. Ideas and beliefs too, all over the world, evolve all of the time. Case closed.

      April 10, 2011 at 8:06 pm |
    • Paul M

      Evolution of new – unique information – not just changes to existing working genes -has not been demonstrated to my knowledge. Natural Selection doesn't create structures or new information as Dawkins tries to say. It explains the survival of the fittest not the arrival of the fittest. See books by William Demski. See Zygote Theory in WORDPRESS for more details.

      April 10, 2011 at 8:35 pm |
  20. Molecules-to-Man

    The author commits countless logical falacies. His arguments are arbitrary and reversible to name just two. Just as he asserts that evolution is fact beyond doubt, I assert that Biblical Creation is fact beyond doubt. He claims Jesus would believe evolution, I claim that Jesus would not. He shows an example or two of "proof" for evolution, and even states that there are so many more, but, evidence being the same, the conclusions and interpretations of the evidence are totally dependent on a person's bias. Scientists are not the neutral objective parties they're made out to be. They (we – I happen to be a PhD scientist/engineer too) all have a presuppositional starting point: "God" or "no God." That's not bad, it's just fact; actually logical, rational thought wouldn't be possible without a bias of some kind. I argue, however, that logic is not even possible outside of a Christian belief in God (how's that controversial!). Think about it...

    April 10, 2011 at 7:29 pm |
    • ScienceSoma

      You really should expand on how logic would not be possible without the Christian belief in God. Such a claim shatters any credibility you have as a professional critical thinker.

      April 10, 2011 at 7:33 pm |
    • Malkav

      Evolution has been proven. The existence of a man named Jesus has never been proven. The bible, as one knows it, was put together by men. A group of men, living way after the supposed original disciples, decided what went in, and what came out. They also decided to make Jesus a "god." All of this nicely packaged in older legends and other pagan beliefs and rituals. Please, study your religion versus spewing forth the lies you have been told.

      April 10, 2011 at 7:40 pm |
    • mark

      whats the chances of CNN issuing a Phd's opinion on creationism?

      April 10, 2011 at 7:47 pm |
    • Molecules-to-Man

      Logic: the ability to come to rational conclusions (my quick, loose definition)... What is the evolutionary basis for logic? It can't be survival, logic is not a necessary condition for survival – think grass, etc. We take for granted the consistency and uniformity of nature (and logic); thus the laws of nature, etc. However, I ask, if evolution were true, and the basis of evolution is ramdom chance over eons of time, how is that we can explain the uniformity of nature? How do I know that gravity won't randomly reverse, or that my car won't turn into a mushroom, or that your new born won't be a tree? Futhermore, how could we trust our senses to communicate truth to us. That's certainly not a necessity for survival. And memory... We base much our scinetific (and otherwise) predictions of natural behavior base on what is observed presently and in the past. Well, how can we trust our memory? What is the basis for reliable memory (or even that our senses are truthful about the present) in order to predict the future behavior of a natural process? Evolution cannot account for that. The fact that you can even have an argument, observe, remember, predict, etc, disproves your argument for evolution.

      April 10, 2011 at 7:48 pm |
    • Molecules-to-Man

      mark: sadly not much chance...

      Malkav: spend a little time in the library. Rather than regurgitating falacies you've read on the internet, you'll find plenty of multi-source, peer-reviewed support for the historicity of Jesus and the Bible.

      April 10, 2011 at 7:51 pm |
    • ScienceSoma

      The second you characterize evolution as random chance is the second I know you know absolutely nothing about it, and I quite frankly question your career as a scientist. Evolution by natural selection is an ordered system that selects for survival traits, it is anything but random.

      April 10, 2011 at 7:52 pm |
    • Shaun W

      The author's opinion that Jesus would believe in evolution withstanding, you can't argue with the scientific evidence for evolution. They are facts, proven both inside a laboratory and confirmed outside. The conclusions of these facts aren't based on bias, but rather the evidence itself. If you wish to know the evidence in support of evolution, feel free to read Richard Dawkin's book, "The Greatest Show on Earth". While I assume you may not like Dawkins, the evidence is there, and, ignoring his biased prose, you can't ignore the experiments and evidence themselves. This, of course, does not disprove God as the creator of Earth, and if you wish to believe in God, it is in your rights. But don't ignore the data and evidence for evolution. You being a "scientist/engineer", I can't imagine you would be so inclined to do this.

      April 10, 2011 at 7:53 pm |
    • Thomas

      Since you aren't a theologian nor a evolutionary biologist, I can't really take your argument seriously.

      Plus, if the church thinks evolution is a compatible theory: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/4588289/The-Vatican-claims-Darwins-theory-of-evolution-is-compatible-with-Christianity.html why can't you?

      April 10, 2011 at 7:53 pm |
    • Malkav

      Memory is a survival tool. We learn from mistakes that could possibly kill us. If we didn't have good memories, we'd die. Those with bad memories did die. We also have gained immunities over time. This is the human race evolving. Of course, we have helped nature in some cases but one needs to look no further than the small pox plagues that wiped out Native Americans while leaving Europeans virtually unscathed. it's because Europeans had adapted to it. Adaptation is evolution.

      As far as comparing the laws of physics to the laws of nature; it's apples and oranges. Gravity is not a living organism that changes as its environment changes. It is constant, well, as far as we have scientifically proven. Nature, on the other hand, is constantly adapting to the environment around it. It's why certain species survive (the rise of mammals) and others fail (fall of the dinosaurs).

      April 10, 2011 at 7:55 pm |
    • srw

      I am a little sick of the idea that believing that science can be correct on this is somehow "un-Christian" or demonstrates a bias of "no-God". The Catholic Church openly accepts evolution and has, practically since inception of the concept. Despite the belief of some "Christians", Catholics are devout Christians. They accept evolution so long as people accept that "man", in its current form, was a biological evolution that reached "humanity" in Adam when the soul was placed in the body. Look it up. This is the world's largest Christian faith and the various conservative popes have accepted this belief. To accept it is to avoid finding fault in either science or religion.

      April 10, 2011 at 7:57 pm |
    • Malkav

      Molecules I will offer up a wonderful book: The Jesus Mysteries by Freke and Gandy, for you to read. I hope your PhD helps you through the big words.

      April 10, 2011 at 7:58 pm |
    • meiosity

      If you don't believe in God, then you are a product of your nature, which is an accident. Your thoughts are a result of your accidental brain which has no purpose and therefore meaningless. If you have a right to express your opinion what does it matter to anyone?

      April 10, 2011 at 8:02 pm |
    • Ronald-BSU

      Molecules-to-Man, awesome comments! I just praised your comments and praise is not necessary for survival which therefore proves some kind of creator. =]

      April 10, 2011 at 8:03 pm |
    • paul

      got a typo in there

      April 10, 2011 at 8:06 pm |
    • IQuestionAll

      YEAH FOR MOLECULES – TO – MAN... You make all these anti-Christian's look unprepared for a real discussion. BRAVO!!!

      April 10, 2011 at 8:08 pm |
    • Molecules-to-Man

      Thomas: LOL... Since you must be a theologian and an evolutionary biologist, I submit.

      Seriously, the evidence is the same: we all have the same rocks, trees, cosmos, etc, etc. However, it's our framework (bias, worldview, etc) within which we view the evidence that determines the interpretation thereof. You're right, Shaun W, you can't argue with raw experimental data and observations, but it's in the interpretation, explanation, and conclusions that bias creeps in. I've studied at Universities that teach mainstream evolution and I've read much on the subject, and I've never come across one piece of evidence that couldn't just as well (and in many case better) be interpreted through a Biblical Creation model.

      April 10, 2011 at 8:11 pm |
    • Marc Boudreau

      Your faith is strong young padewon...I find it very disturbing that you say you're a scientist of some sort and continue to believe in the creation theory. Was it not 2000 years ago that the bible was written, they had no answers to the many wonderful questions of how the world and all living organisms were created. It is just like greek mythology. Rain, thunder, lightning, all these things could not be explained and hence the great gods of olympus were created to explain these theories, stating that certain gods created rain, lightning etc... It is the year 2011, the world is not flat...the world was once thought to be flat...Embrace the truth, evolution is not only the process of species evolving, it is also the process of the mind evolving...as we continue to improve on technology, we continue to find the answers to questions that were once unanswerable. The bible is an important tool, it is of course the basis of Christianity but should talk be taken literally...for that would be irresponsible

      April 10, 2011 at 8:11 pm |
    • IQuestionAll

      @ Marc Boudreau, Padawon (the correct spelling), You have NEVER read the Bible. Be Honest. You seem so intelligent, but then your unmistakable bias raises it's serpents head. But, you have potential. Seriously, really read the Bible. I believe there is hope for you. Christians, pray for this man.

      April 10, 2011 at 8:20 pm |
    • Tyler

      Evolution is really the power of creation in all live forms. It is a gift from god to all living form as free will. It is the power to evolve or face extinction. All living froms are self and part of the whole and we are all interconnected to each other and our world.
      Extinction is brought on from our collective mistake of choice against god. We are in the process of being awaken and to evolve spiritually. To accept, to feel god. Our collective mind has the power of creativity that can help us overcome the power of extinction and through change in a miracle way, to evolve in way no science now can understand like butterflies and frogs

      April 10, 2011 at 8:24 pm |
    • Molecules-to-Man

      All: you can't separate physics from biology from anything else. If evolution (apparently limited to biology by some here) is true, than it works in concert with physics, etc.

      Memory is not a necessity for survival. Plants, trees, and other living things that have no capacity for memory survive just fine. We, however, use memory to benefit our survival. As to built-up immunities, that's a result of lost genetic information, not the addition of new, never-before-exisiting information. Evolution requires new information to progress, however, genetics never operates in that direction. It starts with existing information, then changes occur through information loss or copying errors. But, and this important, new information is never created, and so, at the foundation, evolution is impossible.

      And to all professing Christians: I argue that the Gospel is rendered meaningless by a belief in evolution, meaning molecules to man, eons of time type theology. The Bible is clear: death is the result of sin; we sin, we die; Christ came to pay our debt to death (he could pay because he didn't owe death for his own sin – he was sinnless). His resurrection is the ultimate proof that he paid the debt in full – death no longer has power. Sure we still physically die, but only for a time; the Day of God's consummation of history will restore Creation to its original intent of perfection before sin and death.

      April 10, 2011 at 8:29 pm |
    • Paul M

      Check out ZYGOTE THEORY at wordpress – it combines the pseudogenes with an Intelligent Design theory. It appears God used primate genes or allowed common descent but that doesn't tell us where new good genes get their information.

      April 10, 2011 at 8:30 pm |
    • Ronald-BSU

      Molecules-to-Man, to go along with what you are saying in regards to the belief of Christianity and evolution: You can not believe that Jesus is God if evolution is true. Jesus would have said something about us having it all wrong if He was truly God. So much of Christianity would have to be thrown out if you believe in macro-evolution: Trinity, scripture, and like you said, the gospel.

      It is false to say that evolution can be proven true. You would think that with all the technology we currently have, we would have been able to prove it by now.

      April 10, 2011 at 8:39 pm |
    • Paul M

      The Bible tells us the WHO and WHY of creations, not the How and WHEN – check out John Walton's THE LOST WORLD of GENESIS ONE. We have been misusing Gen 1 – making it say more than it originally was intended to say.

      April 10, 2011 at 8:40 pm |
    • Molecules-to-Man

      ...I realized I didn't finish, so one more time...

      And to all professing Christians: I argue that the Gospel is rendered meaningless by a belief in evolution, meaning molecules to man, eons of time type theology. The Bible is clear: death is the result of sin and so there was no death before Adam. Long ages of death, disease, and suffering before man just doesn't work. We are sinful, therefore we die; Christ came to pay our debt to death (he could pay because he didn't owe death for his own sin – he was sinless). If death existed before sin, then there would be no reason for Christ to die. His resurrection is the ultimate proof that he paid the debt in full – death no longer has power. Sure, we still physically die, but only for a time; the Day of God's consummation of history will restore Creation to its original intent of perfection before sin and death.

      April 10, 2011 at 8:42 pm |
    • jeff

      Would it be so inconceivable that you might not know everything? Is it so hard to imagine that what you call God is far beyond the comprehension of the small human mind? Christians claim to know God's mind and be in complete accord with him, but proof to me that someone knows God's mind is that person is humble. What I see all too often are intellectuals who think studying a book, or going for some ideology, suddenly makes them all knowing. Scientists and Christians are rarely humble, and that puts them both in the same pile as far as I'm concerned.

      April 10, 2011 at 8:49 pm |
    • NW Doc

      Actually, the creation of new information is a crucial aspect of genetics. A gain-of-function mutation increases the activity of the gene product (as is the case with cancer cells gaining the ability to divide and proliferate uncontrollably). In theory, a gain-of-function mutation could create limitless forms of new information with alterations to the protein that gene codes for.

      Also bear in mind that there is no "proof" of evolution. Ever. Proof is word that only makes sense in the context of mathematics, which is not science. Science only deals with theories being supported by evidence. There will never be any proof for evolution, only mountains upon mountains of highly compelling evidence.

      Source: 14 years of college, med school, residency, etc...

      April 10, 2011 at 8:58 pm |
    • Molecules-to-Man

      jeff: a person certainly has the ability to learn, respond, and discuss without being all-knowing... The thing about the Bible is that it is God's revelation of himself to mankind. How do I know – it says so. It's not, as you suppose, a man-made best guess at God and our thoughts and ideas thereof. It's God's revelation to mankind about himself. All we know of God (and it's very limited indeed) is by what's revealed to us about Him in the Bible. We couldn't even trust nature except that the Bible declares that He is nature's author.

      NW Doc: no new information can ever be created. You may have a loss of existing information, the rearranging of existing information, or even the addition of external, already existing information, which can result in countless new combinations, but at the end of the day it's all previously existing information. Sure, new functions arise from time to time, but even so, it's not due to new, never before existing information. E.g., immunity arising through a loss of info that would otherwise combine with a medication to create a toxin to kill the bacteria. The bacteria no longer contain the toxin-creating info, they do not gain new, never before existing info.

      April 10, 2011 at 9:24 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      "The fact that you can even have an argument, observe, remember, predict, etc, disproves your argument for evolution."

      LOL! .....not to those who have made up their minds to defend it at any cost, even to the point of deluding themselves.....

      April 10, 2011 at 9:35 pm |
    • Malkav

      Really? You quote the bible as your proof of something? What if I quote the Koran? Or the Torah? Or the Book of Mormon? How about the discovered lost gospels? Do they make my argument solid by themselves? I think not.

      @ NW: Good point about proofs being only truly applicable in mathematics. I will retract my statement about the "proof" of evolution. I will say we have lots of indicators saying it is true. Like our many indications of gravity and magnetism.

      April 10, 2011 at 9:46 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      @Malkav
      "Really? You quote the bible as your proof of something"
      It IS the proof of "something"!
      You wanna be convinced ? Go read the New Testament , read the testimony of Jesus Christ, and take a deep long look at your inward self.....It will reveal to you what you have never seen before!
      It is the Word of God, witnessed by the Spirit of God which is the Spirit of Truth. It will cut straight to the core of your heart, revealing what's in it!

      That is the proof that convinces all those who allow Him to speak to them. No other Religion, no book (except Torah, which is the part of the revelation of God to mankind) no philosophy has this power and authority! Because all of them are man made. But the Holy Bible is the revelation of Himself to mankind! It is the authority above any other authority!

      April 11, 2011 at 11:19 am |
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