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April 11th, 2011
11:21 AM ET

Leading atheist publishes secular Bible

By Jessica Ravitz, CNN

The question arose early in British academic A.C. Grayling’s career: What if those ancient compilers who’d made Bibles, the collected religious texts that were translated, edited, arranged and published en masse, had focused instead on assembling the non-religious teachings of civilization’s greatest thinkers?

What if the book that billions have turned to for ethical guidance wasn’t tied to commandments from God or any one particular tradition but instead included the writings of Aristotle, the reflections of Confucius, the poetry of Baudelaire? What would that book look like, and what would it mean?

Decades after he started asking such questions, what Grayling calls “a lifetime’s work” has hit bookshelves. “The Good Book: A Humanist Bible,” subtitled “A Secular Bible” in the United Kingdom, was published this month. Grayling crafted it by using more than a thousand texts representing several hundred authors, collections and traditions.

The Bible would have been “a very different book and may have produced a very different history for mankind,” had it drawn on the work of philosophers and writers as opposed to prophets and apostles, says Grayling, a philosopher and professor at Birkbeck College, University of London, who is an atheist.

“Humanist ethics didn’t claim to be derived from a deity," he says. "(They) tended to start from a sympathetic understanding of human nature and accept that there’s a responsibility that each individual has to work out the values they live by and especially to recognize that the best of our good lives revolve around having good relationships with people.” 

Humanists rely on human reason as an alternative to religion or belief in God in attempting to find meaning and purpose in life.

Determined to make his material accessible, Grayling arranged his nearly 600-page "Good Book" much like the Bible, with double columns, chapters (the first is even called Genesis) and short verses. And much like the best-selling King James Bible, which is celebrating its 400th year, his book is written in a type of English that transcends time.

Like the Bible, "The Good Book," opens with a garden scene. But instead of Adam and Eve, Grayling's Genesis invokes Isaac Newton, the British scientist who pioneered the study of gravity.

"It was from the fall of fruit from such a tree that new inspiration came for inquiry into the nature of things," reads a verse from "The Good Book's" first chapter.

"When Newton sat in his garden, and saw what no one had seen before: that an apple draws the earth to itself, and the earth the apple," the verse continues, "Through a mutual force of nature that holds all things, from the planets to the stars, in unifying embrace."

The book's final chapter features a secular humanist version of the Ten Commandments: "Love well, seek the good in all things, harm no others, think for yourself, take responsibility, respect nature, do your utmost, be informed, be kind, be courageous: at least, sincerely try."

Grayling, reached Friday at a New York hotel just as he began his U.S. book tour, has been dubbed by some a “velvet atheist” or an “acceptable face of atheism,” he says, in contrast to more stridently anti-religious writers like Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins, both of whom he counts as friends.

In other contexts, Grayling - who will soon take over as president of the British Humanist Association - admits he’s written critically about religion. But not in "The Good Book."

“It’s not part of a quarrel,” he says of his latest work. “It’s a modest offering… another contribution to the conversation that mankind must have with itself,” and one he says he wrote for everyone, Bible lovers included.

Given where society is today, inviting that conversation is all the more important, he says.

More than 16% of Americans say they are unaffiliated religiously, according to the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life. Even so, Grayling says the hunger for a spiritual connection continues. That yearning, he argues , can be satisfied for many by taking a walk in the country, curling up with a beautiful book of poetry or even in falling in love.

“In all different ways, we can celebrate the good in the world,” he says.

While many intellectual traditions – religious and otherwise – teach that there’s “one right way to live,” Grayling says he hopes “The Good Book” will encourage people to “go beyond your teachers, your text” to understand that “we have to respect and relate to one another.”

Early sales indicate that people are open to what this new "Bible" teaches. On Monday, Grayling’s book was number 41 on Amazon’s UK bestseller list and number 1 in the philosophy and spirituality categories.

- CNN Writer/Producer

Filed under: Atheism • Bible • Books • Culture & Science • Ethics

soundoff (3,021 Responses)
  1. A barber

    So is he an atheist or an humanist? Who cares if he created a book or not? This has been done before. Stuff like this has been around forever. Does no one realize that Buddhism is atheistic?

    May 3, 2011 at 11:57 am |
  2. M

    Anyone who thinks other people are our salvation has never worked in customer service. I don't subscribe the Abrahamic tradition, but if humanity is the best we have to hope for, then we're hopeless. Trading apostles for philosophers nets no real gain. Humanism is every bit as narcissistic as believing a divine presence created us in His own image. If we were consciously created by a divine being, we're a shoddy rough draft or an elementary project left in a box at his mom's place. Look in the mirror, smell your dirty laundry, why would a God want anything to do with a human being? You aren't special, you're only adequate because the bar has been set so low. A bunch of bald monkeys fluked into a gene for intelligence beyond its mammalian peers and here we are deluding ourselves about whether we derive value form a myth or from each other. Ridiculous. We have no value.

    May 3, 2011 at 9:04 am |
  3. RightturnClyde

    ["The Bible would have been a very different book and may have produced a very different history for mankind, had it drawn on the work of philosophers and writers as opposed to prophets and apostles, says Grayling"] .. any well rounded education includes a number of course other than the Bible. It would begin with Greek philosophers, medieval philosophers, the Enlightenment, some math (non-verbal reasoning), Latin, Greek, English lit, grammar & syntax, writing (lots of writing), library skills, life sciences, physics, chemistry, music .. and then some kind of focus (a major). Graduate education might be more focused, but not singular. So that one is not using the Bible as a library but only in context with a broader "liberal" education (not to be confused eastern liberal politics).

    May 1, 2011 at 8:01 pm |
  4. Muneef

    Description: The Core of the Islamic Creed: the belief in God and His worship, and the means through which one can find God.
    Published on 16 Jan 2006 – Last modified on 29 Mar 2011

    Introduction At the heart of Islam lies belief in God. The core of the Islamic creed is bearing witness to the phrase, La illaha illa Allah, “There is no true deity deserving worship but God.”  The testimony to this belief, called tawhid, is the axis around which all Islam revolves.  Moreover, it is the first of the two testimonies by which a person becomes a Muslim.  Striving after the realization of that oneness, or tawhid, is the core of Islamic life. For many non-Muslims, the term Allah, the Arabic name of God, refers to some distant and strange deity worshipped by the Arabs.  Some even think it to be some pagan “moon-god”.  However, in Arabic, the word Allah means the One True God. Even, Arabic speaking Jews and Christians refer to the Supreme Being as Allah.
    http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/39/viewall/
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    Description: Why God revealed His message in the form of scriptures, and a brief description of the  two of the Scriptures of God: the Bible, and the Quran.
    Published on 16 Jan 2006 – Last modified on 04 Oct 2009
    Islam is more inclusive in the holy revelations it affirms than any other heavenly religion in its present form. Muslims uphold and respect the following scriptures: (i)   The Quran itself, revealed to the Prophet Muhammad. (ii)  The Torah (Tawrah in Arabic) revealed to the Prophet Moses (different from the Old Testament read today). (iii) The Gospel (Injeel in Arabic) revealed to Prophet Jesus (different from the New Testament read in churches today). (iv) The Psalms (Zaboor in Arabic) of David. (v)  The Scrolls (Suhuf in Arabic) of Moses and Abraham. Third, Muslims believe whatever is true in them and has neither been altered or  deliberately misconstrued.
    http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/36/

    Justice in Heaven and Hell;
    http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/2155/

    April 30, 2011 at 8:21 pm |
  5. Muneef

    It is often asked that “If there is a God, why does He let natural disaster like the Tsunami happen or is this Divine Punishment?” 
    http://www.free-islamic course.org/NaturalDisasterorDivinePunishment.html

    April 30, 2011 at 8:18 pm |
  6. Metroid

    Why is there even a fight between athiests and christians anyways? I'm a Roman Catholic yet I believe that the Bible contains a collection of books, some are factually true to a degree, some are stories made to help people. I do believe there is a God and I do believe that God gave us science so we can understand our world. I believe that science and religion can go hand in hand. I don't believe that the Earth is a few thousand years old. I believe the Earth is about 4.5 bill years old from radiometric dating. I believe that anyone can go to Heaven as long as they live a morally good life. I believe even an athiest can go to heaven as long as they're respectful of others and live a good life. I'll never understand why people fight? Can't someone say "Oh, so you believe in God? That's cool. I personally don't but I respect your choice."? Maybe we can get off this stupid issue and just try to help others. There's no way to "Prove" that God exists but we have the personal choice to believe or not. I'll always respect anyone who believes in a different religion or in no religion at all. I think that a Muslic, a Jew, a Hindu, and an Athiest are all equal people taht deserve respect. I only dislike people who use religion to hurt others and take religion, or there lack of, over to the extreme end and try to push it on others when that other person doesn't want to change their religion or opinion. Didn't Einstein say, "Science is blind without religion, religion is blind without science."? I hope this comment helps you understand that nobody is ever PERFECTLY right and that everyone holds a piece to a truth. Let's just try to help each other and make the world a better place.

    April 29, 2011 at 2:01 pm |
    • Brent Beach

      The thing is, this god that you've made up is not the Roman Catholic god as he is described. On what authority (as I would assume you would need some authority to become an arbiter of what is/is not important in the bible) do you pick and choose what to believe? My guess, is that most of the things you liked, you kept, while the things you didn't like were thrown out.

      For instance, you said you believe anyone can go to heaven. The bible directly contradicts this statement, so I ask: What is your reasoning behind throwing out that rule? You'll find that the answer you give can just as easily be used to throw out ANY verse of the bible with which you disagree.

      So while for someone like me, who is apprehensive of "feeling" things are true, who prefers to instead investigate and ask questions...someone like me would be paralyzed by the decision of removing value from parts of the bible. I could never choose because I could never construct a logical argument against a passage that couldn't be used to discard ANY passage. However, when I did believe, this wasn't the case. I found that it was easy to determine which parts were true and not true and which qualities god would actually represent rather than the depiction of the bible. So how was I able to make these decisions so easily, given my love of logic? Simply, it was because all of the passages I disregarded conflicted with my worldview, and were "obviously" not characteristics of MY god.

      So I ask, before you call yourself a Christian, ask yourself if your god is really the god of the bible, or is your god you?
      This is your interpretation of the Bible combined with your personal worldview anthropomorphized as god. Do you not think it's strange how everyone's version of god shares their own personal values?

      April 30, 2011 at 7:26 pm |
    • Guest

      Einstein most certainly never said that.

      May 1, 2011 at 12:14 am |
    • A barber

      Brent, to which bible are you referring? The bible does not contradict that anyone can get to heaven, it just says there are certain requirements and difficulties to get there.

      May 3, 2011 at 12:00 pm |
    • Brent Beach

      The bible says that unbelievers cannot go to heaven. This means that not anybody can go to heaven.

      There are those that life scars in such ways that they will never bring themselves to believe in a god or higher power. Is this really their fault that life has treated them in such a way? Do they really deserve damnation because life has taught them that there is no god? Until you say that unbelievers can go to heaven, not anyone can go to heaven. Some people are made into unbelievers by their life experiences, just as many are made religious by life experiences. There are those who live in the Muslim world who would be disowned or even killed by choosing to be anything other than Muslim; is this their fault? Do they deserve eternal damnation for this? Until Christians say that Muslims can go to heaven, not anyone can go to heaven.

      May 3, 2011 at 9:03 pm |
    • matt

      Einstein's best quote on this subject: "The Foundation of morality should not be made dependent on myth nor tied to any authority lest doubt about the myth or about the legitimacy of the authority imperil the foundation of good judgement and actions."

      May 4, 2011 at 1:12 am |
  7. Alex B-P

    The existence of your idol is just as likely as the Egyptian god of mummification, Anubis, to exist. I've never met god, and as far as I am concerned, it doesn't exist, until it shows up at my front door.

    April 27, 2011 at 3:43 pm |
  8. DT Strain

    Thanks for this article. I am currently writing a detailed review of each book in Grayling’s bible at the Houston Chronicle, for those interested: http://tinyurl.com/3hpvkwa

    April 26, 2011 at 7:30 am |
  9. WoundedEgo

    I tend to be drawn to controversy, but 38 pages of it? I'm outta here!

    April 25, 2011 at 6:45 pm |
  10. Joshua Mills

    I was writing a paper on the Humanistic Approach and how it applies to Billy Grahams life. There are quotes with in the paper that I wrote which I will include that explain history of the humanistic view. I am a Christian and I believe what the Bible says is true.
    STARTS HERE:
    Although Billy Graham has made a mark in the lives of many who are searching for happiness and truth through Jesus Christ. Other views can be explained by the following “Everyone now has “the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning of the universe, and of the mystery of human life.” Stalin’s dictum, “there is no such thing as eternal truth,” has gained acceptance” (Wirt, 1997, 41). Although, this is happening, it hasn’t stopped Billy Graham’s ministry, he still today at age 93 living out a life that glorifies God. There is a story, that continues to reiterate time and time again from the beginning of time and has been confirmed by the following “The story is told of a very ancient inscription found carved on a buried stone in Iraq. When deciphered from the Sumerian script, it read: “Everything is falling apart. God has forgotten us. Invasion is imminent. Taxes are intolerable. The drought has destroyed our crops. Lawlessness is increasing. The roads are not safe. Children no longer obey their parents. And everyone wants to write a book!” (Wirt, 1997, 41). History shows that the lack of knowing God brings about a continued take of destruction in regard to the pursuit of happiness that brings about a feeling of déjà vu.

    References:
    Wirt, Sherwood Eliot (1997). Billy: A Personal Look at the World’s Best-Loved Evangelist
    Weaton, Illinois: Crossway Books.

    April 22, 2011 at 11:33 pm |
  11. Barbara Barrs

    Mr. Grayling, I pray your hatred toward the God who "knew you before you were formed in the womb" will save you and those who are reading your book.

    April 22, 2011 at 1:45 pm |
    • SpeakOklahomaCom

      Meh, no one "hates (your) god"...many of us just feel sorry for you that you cannot live your life w/o some ancient writ that causes wars and discriminations. You gave us Hitler and Bush...et.al. Case closed....

      May 5, 2011 at 10:51 am |
  12. Barbara Barrs

    I'm praying for the salvation of your soul and all of those who read your denial of the One True God of Light! Satan continues to prowl.

    I know this atheist is waging a war of darkness against a loving God.

    April 22, 2011 at 1:39 pm |
    • sban

      ha. These comments are kinda goofy. but if your bored, they entertained me for a bit.

      April 24, 2011 at 7:42 pm |
  13. weallowit

    The only reason Athiests can say all this crap, is because deep down they are scared to death.... What if those Christians are right? I would rather be wrong in what I belive as a Christian, than be wrong as an Athiest. I have nothing to lose, you have everything to lose. There will be weeping and nashing of teeth. (By you Athiests... for what you left behind) God takes no one to Heaven kicking and screaming, you go because you accept what God has done by redeeming the world of it's sin through his son Jesus. All you have to do is believe.... It's that simple. But, you athiests can't accept the truth without seeing, but it is a blessing to all of us who believe and have not seen. It is the spirit of God that reveals this truth, nothing else.

    April 22, 2011 at 12:59 pm |
    • ammofreak

      If it makes you feel any better, just remember it is natural to be scared when faced with one's mortality. Whether you believe in some god or not does not make an iota of difference. All of us are going back to star dust! Remember before you were born? Well, that will be your state when you die! My suggestion: don't worry, be happy!...(a canuck speaking from his igloo)

      April 24, 2011 at 4:12 am |
    • Atheist

      Sounds like you just believe in god because your afraid of the possibility of hell. Coward. If god was real was doesn't he just come down and show himself, why the big mystery and suspense. Its all b.s. and you fell for it like another sheep. Its all about money and control. Who says too that your religion is the right one. If you don't pick the right religion your going to hell so who has it right?! And I guess the babies and people that die before even knowing about religion are just going to hell too. If you believe its all part of god's plan and the future is already written then that means they were destined to go to hell. What a loving god to make that happen right? Always love to hear everything great but you should actually read the bible and see what horrors your god did to his own ants. Your pathetic

      April 26, 2011 at 10:02 am |
    • ricka

      If your god is all good and all powerful, why would he send me (an agnostic, but law-abiding, moral, and hard-working person) to an eternity of suffering for just being skeptical of his existence? Does this trouble you? That your all loving god gives no sign of existence, leaves us with a book from thousands of years ago, and randomly makes appearances in waffles? And we will parish in the fiery depths of hell if we say.." meh, maybe he's not there anymore..."? This is your all good, all loving god? He-Who-Reads-Our-Minds? He sounds like a tyrant. He sounds like no god I would ever worship. I'm not scared at all. I will die and turn to dust. I will not live in paradise; I will not burn in hell. This is indeed a comforting thought for me.

      May 2, 2011 at 5:55 pm |
    • bethoc

      Let's look at your argument. Should I believe your god (whom we can call Yahweh) exists simply because, if I say he doesn't exist, I might be wrong, and I'll go to hell? Okay. But what if you're wrong, but wrong in a different way? What if Yahweh doesn't exist, but another god does? And what if this other god (whom we can call Zeus) gets angry because you're worshiping Yahweh, who doesn't exist? What if Zeus sends all of Yahweh's believers to hell? Won't you increase your chances of avoiding hell if you worship both gods? No, because Yahweh is a jealous god and won't let you worship any gods other than Yahweh. Now you must decide. Worship Yahweh (who, in reality in our example, doesn't exist) or worship Zeus who does exist but you don't believe it? You know, there have been thousands of gods throughout humanity's time on this earth, even if you believe the earth has only existed 6,000 years. Mandarin, Norse, Maori, Aztec, etc. How did you decide which of them to worship? The answer is ... the culture you were raised in, and your parents' decisions led you to decide on Yahweh. You never even gave any of the other gods a single thought. What if Zeus is the real God of all Gods? You don't worship him, so you'll end up in the Greek version of hell. Tough luck. I'll stick with my belief that none of the gods exist and no hells exist. It makes life a lot simpler.

      May 3, 2011 at 10:55 pm |
    • JeramieH

      Pascal's Wager is so 1669. Haven't y'all come up with something better in the past few hundred years?

      May 5, 2011 at 11:09 am |
  14. What!

    This guy thinks the world is good and loves all the things of the world. So he should go into Downtown New York and fall dead in the middle of the sidewalk and tell me how many people will help him we do not live in a world of good Jesus said there was only one good and that was God. Your secular Bible is of man and unlike the Gods word in the Christian bible, the secular bible is not eternal and will not face the test of time.

    April 20, 2011 at 4:10 pm |
  15. Muneef

    [3:0] In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

    [3:1] A.L.M.*

    [3:2] GOD: there is no god except He; the Living, the Eternal.

    [3:3] He sent down to you this scripture, truthfully, confirming all previous scriptures, and He sent down the Torah and the Gospel

    [3:4] before that, to guide the people, and He sent down the statute book. Those who disbelieve in GOD's revelations incur severe retribution. GOD is Almighty, Avenger.

    [3:5] Nothing is hidden from GOD, on earth, or in the heaven.
    -----
    Miracles Bring Greater Responsibility*
    [2:211] Ask the Children of Israel how many profound miracles have we shown them! For those who disregard the blessings bestowed upon them by GOD, GOD is most strict in retribution.

    Shortsightedness
    [2:212] This worldly life is adorned in the eyes of the disbelievers, and they ridicule those who believe. However, the righteous will be far above them on the Day of Resurrection. GOD blesses whomever He wills, without limits.

    Disastrous Jealousy
    [2:213] The people used to be one community when GOD sent the prophets as bearers of good news, as well as warners. He sent down with them the scripture, bearing the truth, to judge among the people in their disputes. Ironically, those who received the scripture were the ones who rejected any new scripture, despite clear proofs given to them. This is due to jealousy on their part. GOD guides those who believe to the truth that is disputed by all others, in accordance with His will. GOD guides whoever wills in a straight path.*

    [2:214] Do you expect to enter Paradise without being tested like those before you? They were tested with hardship and adversity, and were shaken up, until the messenger and those who believed with him said, "Where is GOD's victory?" GOD's victory is near.
    ------–
    [4:56] Surely, those who disbelieve in our revelations, we will condemn them to the hellfire. Whenever their skins are burnt, we will give them new skins. Thus, they will suffer continuously. GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.
    -------
    [78:39] Such is the inevitable day. Whoever wills let him take refuge in his Lord.

    [78:40] We have sufficiently warned you about an imminent retribution. That is the day when everyone will examine what his hands have sent forth, and the disbeliever will say, "Oh, I wish I were dust."
    --------
    [5:98] Know that GOD is strict in enforcing retribution, and that GOD is Forgiving, Most Merciful.

    [5:99] The sole duty of the messenger is to deliver the message, and GOD knows everything you declare and everything you conceal.

    [5:100] Proclaim: "The bad and the good are not the same, even if the abundance of the bad may impress you. You shall reverence GOD, (even if you are in the minority) O you who possess intelligence, that you may succeed."
    -------- 

    April 18, 2011 at 12:17 pm |
  16. Muneef

    The Commandments
    [2:83] We made a covenant with the Children of Israel: "You shall not worship except GOD. You shall honor your parents and regard the relatives, the orphans, and the poor. You shall treat the people amicably. You shall observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat)." But you turned away, except a few of you, and you became averse.

    [2:84] We made a covenant with you, that you shall not shed your blood, nor shall you evict each other from your homes. You agreed and bore witness.

    [2:85] Yet, here you are killing each other, and evicting some of you from their homes, banding against them sinfully and maliciously. Even when they surrendered, you demanded ransom from them. Evicting them was prohibited for you in the first place. Do you believe in part of the scripture and disbelieve in part? What should be the retribution for those among you who do this, except humiliation in this life, and a far worse retribution on the Day of Resurrection? GOD is never unaware of anything you do.

    [2:86] It is they who bought this lowly life at the expense of the Hereafter. Consequently, the retribution is never commuted for them, nor can they be helped.
    ---------
    Major Commandments
    [4:36] You shall worship GOD alone – do not associate anything with Him. You shall regard the parents, the relatives, the orphans, the poor, the related neighbor, the unrelated neighbor, the close associate, the traveling alien, and your servants. GOD does not like the arrogant show-offs.

    [4:37] The ones who are stingy, exhort the people to be stingy, and conceal what GOD has bestowed upon them from His bounties. We have prepared for the disbelievers a shameful retribution.

    [4:38] They give money to charity only to show off, while disbelieving in GOD and the Last Day. If one's companion is the devil, that is the worst companion.

    [4:39] Why do they not believe in GOD and the Last Day, and give from GOD's provisions to them? GOD is fully aware of them.
    ----------–
    [16:90] GOD advocates justice, charity, and regarding the relatives. And He forbids evil, vice, and transgression. He enlightens you, that you may take heed.
    ----------–

    April 18, 2011 at 6:51 am |
  17. DesertHawk12

    Sounds like a very interesting book and it is likely that I will buy and read it with an open mind. I've read many of the writers referred to in the article above and yet found my life empty and unfulfilling. Like many of the people who've commented above, I was angry and bitter and hated Christians and loved to mock their ideas. But then I accepted the possibility of God and began to live by the principles outlined in the Bible (and not necessarily those of a particular church) and my life finally began to be worth living. I hope that everyone out there will find what they are looking for, whether it be in this book or another.

    April 18, 2011 at 5:21 am |
  18. Muneef

    Lord of the Universe:
    Surprised to have seen many of you to state that God Allah is the Lord of the Moon ! When he is the Lord of the whole Universe and Creation ! You accuse Muslims of Worshiping of the Moon ! When the Quran clearly indicated that the Sun and the Moon are being used for knowing the number of days,other than that known or unknown forms of uses and needs for !

    Now the only verse that in which God clearly has indicated that he is Lord of is the "The Planet of Sirius" that can be found within Q/S/V's 53:49
    An-Najm (The Star) 53:
    And that He it is Who is the Lord of Sirius; (49).
    Pronounced in Arabic "El-Sherra".

    Links for you to gain the knowledge of this opportunity which i feel thankful to those who drove me to search for it and research it, adding to that i became to understand that the planets are responsible for what ever goes on in the universe as to disasters on earth and to creations, i take it from the Quranic verse that this "Sirius Planet A&B" is or are the Head Star or Planet of all Group of universal Planets in being responsible as a Head Gear for the entire movement of all Gears of the the Ticking Clock of time "The Universal Life time Granted to it to work..!

    The Question that we should be asking or looking for an answer for is: 
    Would time here haste for manking being hasty or would it be granted more time by becoming:
    -a non corruptor to earth and sea.
    -for holding right God Message of revelations and laws.
    -for showing mercy and being charitable paying out the poor dues.

    Wouldn't that make a change when majority become as that since as seems that the darker side overtaking the brighter side meaning Evil-being taking Over the Good-being in their deeds ? It is only when signs like that are shown the earth shake and maybe the whole universe shake that same shake ! After all "The head Key Planet of all those universal planets "The Sirius" is in the hand of God the creator and the lord who is either crediting or debiting our intentions and actions on what was deposited upon us to maintain uncorrupted but rather to go on spreading Justice,Respect even before Love since they say "Some Love do Kill more than hate kills" !!!

    Sorry having got carried away kindly read the links that i found to be very interesting and very informative :         

    http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_39.html

    http://www.harrypotterforseekers.com/articles/siriusforseekers.php

    April 17, 2011 at 8:34 pm |
    • ammofreak

      More fiction.....

      April 24, 2011 at 3:54 am |
  19. Muneef

    In one of the meetings on TV programes an Islamic scholar was asked why mankind is so violent and all those killings ?

    He simply answered because all mankind had derived from a criminal that had killed his brother,meaning that all mankind derived from the son of Adam named as Cain who killed Abel who had not performed any attack or even self defense;

    The First Murder*
    [5:27] Recite for them the true history of Adam's two sons. They made an offering, and it was accepted from one of them, but not from the other. He said, "I will surely kill you." He said, "GOD accepts only from the righteous.

    [5:28] "If you extend your hand to kill me, I am not extending my hand to kill you. For I reverence GOD, Lord of the universe.

    [5:29] "I want you, not me, to bear my sin and your sin, then you end up with the dwellers of Hell. Such is the requital for the transgressors."

    [5:30] His ego provoked him into killing his brother. He killed him, and ended up with the losers.

       

    April 17, 2011 at 8:19 pm |
  20. Jim P>

    "An atheist created a case against Easter and Passover Holy Days."

    One wonders why so-called Christians feel so often compelled to present made up stories (also known as "lies" ) to mock other people or to try to prove some point in thier belief system? Is this some peculiar recruiting tool that you feel will make people "see the light"? or is it just smugness on your part (in defiance of how your god told you to behave)?

    Snarking for Jesus isn't much of a sales tool you know.

    A judge who based a legal decision on his interpretation of a passage in a particular "Holy" book would not last long in appeals especially since that same book warns that calling someone a fool puts you in danger of damnation.

    The fool may say in his heart there is no god but a lot of us Atheists will happily say it aloud. You doubt the existence of Krishna? I do too! You doubt each and every god but yours, I simply doubt yours as well. When your god can take on and defeat iron chariots (being a god of the bronze age, he failed in the OT: Judges 1:19) then maybe you have a god worthy of worship. But then, as Psam 82 says...maybe he isn't everything you want in a god...."How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked?

    April 17, 2011 at 7:06 pm |
    • Dick Brandlon

      I cannot see anyone saying "There is no God." How in hell (or how on earth) could anyone know this? I certainly can see someone saying "I don't know whether there's a God" or "I seriously doubt there's a God." This is within anyone's right and cannot be attacked on any logical ground. However, to say there is a God is just as dubious as saying there isn't one. I understand the force of personal revelation, but this is not proveable.

      April 17, 2011 at 11:38 pm |
    • fimeilleur

      @ Dick Brandon
      Would it appease you to say "there is as much chance of God (a god) existing as there is leprechauns, pegasus, fairies, pixies, gnomes, minotaurs etc." Proof of existence is required... not proof of non-existance. As it stands today, no credible proof of the existence of a god exists... just as no credible proof of a minotaur exists (or ever existed). The burden of proof is yours to make... not ours.

      April 18, 2011 at 11:01 am |
    • Tim Royal

      Actually, for your argument to be valid in a debate you DO have to prove non-existence (atheism is an assertion and assertions require proof), which is of course an automatic fallacy. This is ultimately why logic has never been on the side of the atheist as there are arguments for the existence of God and none for non-existence as such a thing cannot be proven. However, one's opinions do not require absolute validation when it is acknowledged as faith. This is the most amusing thing to believers in God about atheists... their faith and refusal to acknowledge it for what it is.

      Now, of course, I cue for many of the atheists to get angry because that is their knee jerk response, (though I have not stated my belief system at all), because in our society it has become the most angry person who wins the argument, not the one with the most valid argument.

      April 24, 2011 at 1:51 pm |
    • Brent Beach

      "Actually, for your argument to be valid in a debate you DO have to prove non-existence (atheism is an assertion and assertions require proof), which is of course an automatic fallacy."

      First properly define your god, for without a proper definition, the debate cannot continue. Unless you can properly define this god and it's characteristics, the debate is won by the atheists. You'll find that the further you define this god, the greater number of logical paradoxes and fallacies you commit. You might say, I believe he is (insert description here) and the atheist says, "Why do you think this way?" to which there is no response. You admit yourself that it is faith, any description of this god is based in faith, rather than a logical argument which leads toward the assumption of it's characteristics. And without a proper definition of this god, you can call it whatever you want (Xenu, Agamemnon, Thor, Mexico, etc.), it's all meaningless and to ask me to prove the nonexistence of something that is unknowable and undefinable is ABSURD! Nonexistence is the default until evidence shows otherwise. I don't have time to acknowledge the possible existence of every delusion someone creates.

      "This is ultimately why logic has never been on the side of the atheist as there are arguments for the existence of God and none for non-existence as such a thing cannot be proven."

      (See above for a logical argument against the existence (or the choice to believe in) god.)) There are plenty of logical arguments for the nonexistence of things for which there are no evidence.

      "However, one's opinions do not require absolute validation when it is acknowledged as faith."

      Why is this a good thing? Is this something we should encourage? To make choices without regard for evidence?

      "This is the most amusing thing to believers in God about atheists... their faith and refusal to acknowledge it for what it is."

      An atheist simply looks at your claims and states: "There is not sufficient evidence for me to believe." Furthermore, the more characteristics you apply to this god, and the more he can be argued against logically.

      "Now, of course, I cue for many of the atheists to get angry because that is their knee jerk response, (though I have not stated my belief system at all), because in our society it has become the most angry person who wins the argument, not the one with the most valid argument."

      You assume to know the other side so well. It must be comforting.

      April 26, 2011 at 2:13 am |
    • Res_Ipsa

      "First properly define your god, for without a proper definition, the debate cannot continue." – False. You fail to understand that humans are limited and therefore incapable of realizing anything that is truly beyond them. Simply because we cannot fully understand it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Atheists seem to take the position that humans are (somehow) omnipotent (either alone or together) and thus can understand everything in the universe. A position that's untenable, to say the least. Agnosticism is far more intellectually honest.

      May 2, 2011 at 10:20 pm |
    • Brent Beach

      "First properly define your god, for without a proper definition, the debate cannot continue." – False. You fail to understand that humans are limited and therefore incapable of realizing anything that is truly beyond them. Simply because we cannot fully understand it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Atheists seem to take the position that humans are (somehow) omnipotent (either alone or together) and thus can understand everything in the universe. A position that's untenable, to say the least. Agnosticism is far more intellectually honest.

      You misunderstand me and atheism. One can be both atheist AND agnostic (I am). I believe that I cannot know (nor do I think anyone else can) about the existence of a "god" (we really need to clear up what we mean by that word) therefore any god which is specifically described and named almost certainly must not exist. Thus, I am extremely open to the idea that a higher power may exist but due to my belief that humans cannot possess such knowledge, I think that all SPECIFICALLY NAMED and DESCRIBED gods are false. If you really believed humans were so limited in their understanding, you wouldn't claim to know or feel about this god's characteristics.

      In fact, it is because I accept that our understanding is limited that I feel this way. If I were to acknowledge the possible existence of the Christian god, I would also be required (due to intellectual honesty) to acknowledge the possible existence of fairies, leprechauns, unicorns and any other delusion created by ANYONE. Now if we had some evidence that pointed specifically to a higher power (such as it telling us itself), that would lend some credibility. As of now, we have none and I claim that while I don't know, you certainly don't either and if you claim that you do, you're lying.

      Additionally, very few atheists will actually tell you they "know" a god doesn't exist. Most admit that it's an EXTREMELY minute possibility, bordering infinitesimal.

      Finally tell me, exactly HOW do you debate the existence of something which (by your own admission) is beyond our understanding and is inherently unknowable? How do you debate the existence of something which has no known (proven) characteristics? If you say it's possible, I'd like to engage you in a debate on the existence of my magical elf friend Marvin. Although I can't exactly describe what his character is like, what he looks like, or practically anything about him, I feel like I have a good chance of proving his existence to you, given your take on how this debate will go.

      May 3, 2011 at 8:47 pm |
    • oogmar

      It's called Russell's Teapot, dear Christians. The burden of proof is not on the people who question, it's on the people who insist that their belief is proof.

      May 4, 2011 at 7:12 am |
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