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New abortion laws show Christian Right's continued power
Antiabortion activists outside the U.S. Supreme Court during the annual March for Life.
April 14th, 2011
02:09 PM ET

New abortion laws show Christian Right's continued power

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

So maybe the Christian Right isn't so dead after all.

In fact, the movement that was supposed to have been eclipsed by the fiscally focused Tea Party in recent years and was said to be reeling from the loss of leaders like Jerry Falwell is showing some pretty dramatic signs of life.

In last week’s down-to-the-wire budget battle between the White House and Republican leaders, for example, it was a GOP effort to defund Planned Parenthood – a longtime enemy of Christian conservatives – that emerged as a final stumbling block.

And Family Research Council President Tony Perkins says the last time his conservative Christian movement saw so many victories at the state level – where many legislatures are busy passing new abortion restrictions - was in 2004, when more than a dozen states adopted same-sex marriage bans.

At a moment when the Republican Party has reclaimed power in the House, has taken control of most state legislatures, and is set to begin the process of choosing its next presidential nominee, the Christian Right is playing an increasingly influential role in the party.

Just this week, Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback, a Republican, signed a pair of new Kansas laws that ban abortions after 21 weeks of pregnancy and that require minors seeking to terminate pregnancies to get consent from both their parents.

That same day, Tuesday, Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, also a Republican, signed a new law banning state tax credits for donations to Planned Parenthood or other abortion providers.

With a handful of other states adopting their own anti-abortion measures earlier this year, Perkins says his conservative Christian agenda “has been accelerated forward” in recent months.

Liberal groups accuse Republicans in Washington of pulling a bait and switch on social issues, saying the GOP took back the House last November by campaigning on fiscal issues, turning to hot buttons like abortion only after taking office.

“I think most Americans are saying, ‘What’s going on here? We elected you all to focus on fiscal and economic issues, not social ones, and you’re not doing that,” says Planned Parenthood spokesman Tait Sye.

Sye notes that a bill called the “No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act,” which would place new restrictions on the healthcare law President Obama signed last year, was the third House resolution introduced this year, which he calls a testament to new GOP fervor on social issues.

But many political experts say that religious conservatives never went anywhere - even if the news media and some quarters of the Republican Party paid them less mind in recent years.

“The biggest reason we’ve seen all this action on abortion since the GOP came to power is that social conservatives are still a very important part of the Republican coalition,” says John Green, an expert in politics and religion at the University of Akron. “And the way parties manage coalitions is to try to give each part something it wants.”

Despite claims by some Tea Party groups that their movement represents exclusively economic conservatives, polling research shows considerable overlap among Tea Party members and the Christian Right.

About half of the Americans who identify as part of the Tea Party movement say they are also part of the religious right or conservative Christian movement, according to a survey released last year by the Public Religion Research Institute.

The survey found that most Tea Party members reflect the views of religious conservatives, as opposed to libertarians, on social issues. Nearly two-thirds of Tea Party members say abortion should be illegal in all or most cases, and less than 1-in-5 support gay marriage.

And white evangelical Protestants, the base of the Christian Right, are roughly five times more likely to agree with the Tea Party movement than to disagree with it, according to a Pew survey analysis released earlier this year.

“There’s really no daylight between those the two groups,” says Marjorie Dannenfelser, president of the anti-abortion group the Susan B. Anthony List, referring to Tea Party and religious conservatives.

She notes that Republican leaders like Indiana Rep. Mike Pence and Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann have a foot in both camps, helping to spearhead the House fight against Obama’s budget proposals and its attempt to defund Planned Parenthood.

The Family Research Council’s Perkins says new GOP efforts around abortion are a reaction to President Obama’s first years in office. Obama rescinded the ban on federal funds for overseas abortion providers and signed a healthcare law that many conservatives say subsidizes abortion, though the law’s supporters say it respects the federal ban on abortion funding.

“Politics is a pendulum that swings back and forth - the federal government overreached and now the states are responding,” Perkins says. “A lot of this is a response to the healthcare bill.”

In some states, like Ohio, fights have broken out among anti-abortion activists over how to use their new-found power, with one faction pushing for sweeping new restrictions and the other urging more incremental limits that they say will withstand legal challenges.

“Most of the lawmakers pushing for these abortion bills are not very well known even in their own states,” says Green, because many came to power in just the last year. “Their stars are still rising and that process will depend on whether their bills are successful and whether they are eventually overturned.”

Debates over how far to go in restricting abortion will likely extend all the way up to the Republican presidential primary, with likely candidates already working hard for Christian Right support.

Donald Trump, who says he will announce next month whether  he will run for president, called the Family Research Council’s Perkins last week to chat for the first time, even though the thrice-married Trump isn’t exactly known as a “family values” Republican.

“Trump knows to get to square one in the Republican primary process he has to show people that he’s pro-life,” says Perkins. “Whether he can get to square number two is another question.”

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Abortion • Barack Obama • Faith Now • Politics

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    March 31, 2012 at 8:32 pm |
  3. Texas

    Paint the Roman Empire's death machine on your illiterate halls, so that when the walls of "Jericho" do indeed crumble...the invading horde can easily conquer.

    The next time you feel the need to use fairy tales to justify the human condition, or individual rights, please spare the majority so we can get by at least somewhat.

    August 15, 2011 at 6:42 pm |
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      April 1, 2012 at 2:40 am |
  4. Audrey

    Look, this is America, and you can't legislate based on a religion. I am very sympathetic to why pro-lifers feel so strongly, given their premises, but we don't all share those premises.

    May 10, 2011 at 10:14 pm |
  5. Keith

    Mis-info, is that what you tell God at the Judgement?

    April 23, 2011 at 8:06 am |
  6. theburge

    Imagine if you were never born. Take a look around, look at your friends, your goals, and your life. Think about how different the world would be without you. Think about potential you have to change the world. Now pause for a moment and imagine a terrorist attack that killed every resident in 75 largest cities in the United States. New York, LA, Miami, Detroit, even Toledo, and Ft. Wayne—gone. Since we are America and care first about how much something cost think about the economic impact such an attack would have not only in America but throughout the world. Next imagine the increditabe loss of life. May you also ponder this, in a course of 6 years Hitler was able to exterminate about one million Jews a year. What if I were to tell that since 1973 in a span of 38 years we have exterminated over 50 million human beings by abortion. We have killed more humans in America ‘legally’ at 1.3x the rate Hitler killed Jews per year over a timespan that is 6.3x longer than what we allowed Hitler to exteminate the Jews. Bottom line we have killed more humans at a greater rate in a shorter time than Hitler. What is so devastating about the loss of such a magnitude of life? It is economic power? Is it relationships? Or could it be the potiential to create and continue both? When we kill a human being we a limiting that person’s potential. We say it only takes one person to change the world, yet we lower our chances for people to change the world when we are constantly limiting our potential. It’s a wonder that China is beging to dominate the global market. They have more people thus they have more potential to create new opertunity. Opertunity, this used to be a word that symbolized America, but opertunity has now moved elsewhere. For those who would argue that China limits their potental by only allowing one child lives under ignorance, for in China people are allowed to have as many children they desire as long as they are willing to pay their taxes, something millions of American’s refuse to do. Let me close with this, this debate is not about whether a fetus is a person, its not about when and if a fetus has a soul, it is about killing and the devisting loss of potential the world experiences when a life is lost. We all mourn at the holocost, we all mourn about 9.11 and we all mourn about Columbine, please speak up an end this 38year holocost we refuse to recognize in this country.

    April 20, 2011 at 8:21 pm |
  7. oivey

    Both men deserve Hell... The one who finally repented after a life time of evil and the good man who worships a cow... Both deserve to die and burn in Hell.

    April 20, 2011 at 7:29 am |
    • Gaunt

      Firstly, Hindus wont worship cows and more than Christians worship a pair of sticks tied together into an upright X.

      Secondly, you may believe what you said, but that makes you no Christian. Repentance and belief means forgiveness, and forgiveness is infinite, it is the central premise of Christianity. If Hitler absolved himself and genuinely turned to god seconds before death, then hitler is is heaven. period.

      April 20, 2011 at 9:05 am |
    • PEACE!!!

      wow. So you believe that a man who helped others should go to hell because he "worships" a cow? P.S. Hinduʻs donʻt "worship" cows. They consider them sacred animals. you know like the way christians consider a cross sacred? But of course to you thats probably different. the only questions is how? maybe because one is a living thing and the other is a inanimine object? (forgive my spelling) Do your research before you bash other peopleʻs belief.

      April 20, 2011 at 7:08 pm |
  8. Reality

    o Conclusion #1: The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the pill and male condom have led to the large rate of abortions (one million/yr-CDC data) and S-TDs (19 million cases/yr- CDC data) in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the pill or condoms properly and/or use other safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.

    Conclusion #2 – Currently, a perfect birth control barrier system does not exist. Time to develop one. In the meantime, mono-masturbation or mutual masturbation for heterose-xuals are highly recommended for those at risk. Abstinence is the another best-solution but obviously the se-x drive typically vitiates this option although being biological would it not be able to develop a drug to temporarily eliminate said drive?-–

    Hopefully, Adelina et al follow the directions on their birth control packages and/or their doctors' orders if they use non-drug related controls.

    April 18, 2011 at 8:44 am |
    • Artist

      We have a duty to shed light on the illness called religion...please pass this on:
      .
      Schizophrenia
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      .
      Some of the symptons
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      •False beliefs or thoughts that are not based in reality (delusions)
      .
      •Hearing, seeing, or feeling things that are not there (hallucinations)

      April 18, 2011 at 5:26 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Artist go to he!!

      April 21, 2011 at 6:44 pm |
  9. Reality

    o Conclusion #1: The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the pill and male condom have led to the large rate of abortions (one million/yr-CDC data) and S-TDs (19 million cases/yr- CDC data) in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the pill or condoms properly and/or use other safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.

    Conclusion #2 – Currently, a perfect birth control barrier system does not exist. Time to develop one. In the meantime, mono-masturbation or mutual masturbation for heterose-xuals are highly recommended for those at risk. Abstinence is the another best-solution but obviously the se-x drive typically vitiates this option although being biological would it not be able to develop a drug to temporarily eliminate said drive?-----

    Hopefully, Adelina et al follow the directions on their birth control packages and/or her doctors' orders if they use non-drug related controls.

    April 18, 2011 at 8:43 am |
  10. Adelina

    The American democracy or the Western freedom is no longer a noble cause worth to die for. Poor American soldiers that they must sacrifice themselves only to spread the Western immorality to support the rights to exercise perversion and infanticide... No wonder so many of them get sick in military...

    April 18, 2011 at 8:04 am |
    • Gaunt

      I just figured out who you are. You shrill ignorance, your hatred of anything different, your bigotry and lack of knowledge of even your own religion, your stunning lack of education regarding basic science and history, and now your attacking the men and women of the military?

      You are one of those Westboro baptist Church wingnuts. Im susrpised your father (who is also your grandfather, uncle and cousin) allowed you access to the internet.

      April 18, 2011 at 9:20 am |
    • EvolvedDNA

      Adelina..Is that a prophesy you saw in the cauldron?

      April 19, 2011 at 12:01 am |
  11. Gaunt

    Two men die.

    The first was an evil, man onsessed with casual brutality and violating young women. His body count was in the hundreds, and he was vain, greedy and delf-obsessed. In his final hours in old age, he realises the error of his ways, and seeks genuine repentance for his many thousands of misdeeds, and accepts JC in his last moments.

    Person two is a kind, geneour, forgiving, patient man, who dedicates his life to helping others. He gives all his money to the less fortunate, and aids anyone, no matter their beliefs or race, without seeking reward or even recognition. he is a Hindu.

    According to the bible thumpers, person one is in paradise while person two burns down below.

    And you DARE call yourselves moral?

    April 18, 2011 at 3:38 am |
    • Adelina

      Gaunt, there is no such Hindu in existence. Do something to liberate 300 million Dalits now, you dreamer.

      April 18, 2011 at 8:15 am |
    • Keith

      Gaunt, we don't (at least I don't) call myself moral. I'm not. That's why I need a Savior. John 3:36 "He that believeth on the Son hath life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." That includes the "good" Hindu. We will be judged by God's high and holy standard-not our own. Our righteousness is like "filthy rags" in God's eyes.

      April 18, 2011 at 9:07 am |
    • Gaunt

      Adelina, I dont even know where to start making fun of you. Should it be for your assumption that Dalits, a result of the Indian caste system, have anything to do with Hinduism? laughably wrong of course. Should it be with your ignorance of the fact that the 9% Christian population of India also embrace the caste system? No, I bet you didnt know that. Should it be for your blanket condemnation of an entire faith, claiming there can be no good people among them? What a bigot and hatemonger you are.

      Or should it be fore the most easy and obvious of your many flaws, your complete cowardice in refusing to addrerss this simple central philosophical problem in your fairy-tale faith?

      April 18, 2011 at 9:17 am |
    • CatholicMom

      Your comments, Gaunt, directed at Christians about the two men who die after living their lives….one seeking repentance at the end of his life for having lived a life of regrets, and another who lived a life dedicated to loving his neighbor…you state that the Christian believes that the first man is in paradise while the second man burns in hell….those are examples with ‘guessed’ endings if you are trying to portray what the Christian faith believes…

      We believe in Jesus Christ’s mercy on both men. We do not know the heart of either man. Only God can judge a soul by seeing what is in a man’s heart.

      We can say that it would appear that the first man came to his senses but we still cannot say we know what was in his heart in his last moments. The same with the second man…we can say that it appears that he was doing the will of the Father by loving his neighbor but we do not know what was in his heart upon his death. Again, God will be the final judge…not us. We cannot judge even our own soul but we live in the hope of the promises of Jesus Christ which are that we are saved, and with that hope we will persevere towards reaching our goal which is to endure until the end in this hope and will be saved to live forever in Heaven with God, LOVE Himself. This is our Faith in His Truth.

      We are to live our lives with FAITH, HOPE, and CHARITY [love]. Of the three…love is all that lasts…hope and faith are no longer needed once in Heaven.

      April 18, 2011 at 9:52 am |
    • Gaunt

      catholicMom, with respect you completely missed the point. No we cannot know what is truly in the heart of either men, but thats totally irrelevant. The fact is, the evil murderous man, assuming his deathbed repentance and finding JC is genuinem, goes to heaven, while the saintly wonderful man, who worships another, burns for all time. This is a central tenant of Christianity, you cant simply pass it by. The fact is, that a good man who happens to yell the wrong name in his prayers is damned, while an evil man who calls genuinely upon the right name is saved.

      In other words, god and evil are irrelevant, your lord only cares that you yell his name above all others. That is arrogant and, by definition, evil.

      To put it another way, do you deny that according to Christianity. Mohatma Gandhi, amazing, honest, generous, faithful, kind, generous, self-sacrificng man and unrepentant hindu, burns forver in the inferno?

      Second question: do you deny that, according to Christianty, IF in his last minutes, Adolph Hitler experienced a genuine and honest repentance and found JC, and honestly begged forgiveness for his sins before him, that he is in paradise?

      April 18, 2011 at 10:05 am |
    • CatholicMom

      Gaunt,

      Your opinion of Christianity is somewhat different than what Catholics believe…and we ARE the first Christians and still are Christians for that matter….

      I am not passing anything by…what I explained is the truth. We are called to repentance and Baptism so that it is Christ working through us as we seek our goal.

      If someone prays to God using the wrong name as you say….his heart is praying to God and God will know this. That person just does not have the fullness of truth to live by. Because man is not perfect we must depend on God’s mercy to make us perfect so that we can enter Heaven. How does God do this? If there are things about us that stain our soul, sins we cling to, sins we may think ‘are not all that bad’ will be tested by fire as gold is purified by fire…these bad ‘deeds’ will burn though we ourselves may be saved. This is God’s mercy working for our benefit. It is a purging…Catholics call it Purgatory. Purgatory as described in 1 Corinthians chapter 3….our works will be tried by fire…the works [good and bad] will be made manifest…it will be revealed in fire. The fire will burn away the straw, stubble, and hay…the bad works, and if any works survive the man will receive a reward. So, if any man’s works burn, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.

      I do not deny that Adolph Hitler could have repented of his sins and by God’s mercy was saved; God wants all to be saved and it is His saving grace that we have hope in, for we all are sinners and are in need of Him.

      It should be our hope and prayer that not one soul is lost. We are all God’s children and as a family we should have a love that is the love of neighbor that Jesus Christ wants us to have for each other….to care about each other as much as we care for ourselves.

      In order to do the will of the Father…we have to be made ‘Christ-like’ and this is what Baptism does for us…we are born again and now it is Christ working through us! There are no excuses to go about the world hateful towards others once we hear the Truth.

      April 18, 2011 at 5:33 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      Catholic mom.. "guessed endings",, as compared to your guessed beginnings...the whole of your religion is guessed, you have no proof of the start your religion it does not appear any where out side of the bible.. you would think that jesus and god would have appeared some where else? even a cave drawing? There are more pictures of antelopes than JC.

      April 18, 2011 at 11:54 pm |
    • CatholicMom

      EvolvedDNA,

      We live by Faith, Hope, and Charity. It is not a guessed beginning…none of us have guessed beginnings. We have an inner knowing that cannot be denied without a twang of ‘I am doubting when I feel I should not!’

      So each takes his own ‘knowing’ and lives by it…whether in faith, hope, and love, or in any other way one wishes to pursue ‘it’…that is our free will to do so.

      I do not see anything that I would change…the Plan appears perfect to me because it was set up that way by Perfection Himself. It all fits together most perfectly and is easy to understand and provides a life of meaning and delight. I do not need any signs, drawings or pictures…I have it all in my heart and nothing more is needed.

      God bless you this Easter Season in a way you have never felt before………

      April 19, 2011 at 10:32 am |
    • EvolvedDNA

      Catholic mom..Saying what you so is just an affirmation of self..I feel the same way i feel absolutely great, and have a great family, a human one.. it does not need a supernatural being to tells us we are fine. God will not be appearing this easter season again..just a hunch.

      April 20, 2011 at 12:43 am |
  12. Adelina

    @Tom, you guys are a new generation of fools who will repeat the history's worst cruelty firsthand and raze the whole society with unprecedented atrocities and then be taken down by Christians and let others talk of witnessing humanity's worst depravity, once more. Certainly the two World Wars were not enough lessons for your civilization. I'm sorry for American soldiers who died in battles so that only their idiotic descendants have to work against everything good including the Christian religion which has been the Western Civilization's conscience and hope.

    April 18, 2011 at 12:39 am |
    • Gaunt

      The 'Christian religion' has not been the concience and hope of any civilisation, not even Western. In fact the greatest leaps forward in human progress are marked by secularists freeing themselves from religious fear and persecution. From the religious atrocities of the reformation and the counterreformation, the inquisition, several dozen crusades, to the modern day Church protecting pedophile priests, and insisting on no birth control in AIDS ridden countries, and mindless zealots trying to pretend that what has been proven by science should be subsumed under their fairy tales.

      Religion is the weight that drags 'civilisation' down, and seeks to retard all progress. Thanks be to those secularist who founded the US, realising the terrible power of religion and who went out of their way to ensure that the Church would have no part in the workings of the state.

      April 18, 2011 at 3:42 am |
    • Adelina

      Westerners were complete barbar ians without the Christian Church. The Western Civilization has nothing worth without Christianity. Thanks to secularists' scientific progress that the planet is polluted beyond hope and beyond repair. Secularism succeeded only in mind pollution and environment pollution. Worship of "mother nature" doesn't work because the creation world hates mankind for ruining everything.

      April 18, 2011 at 8:10 am |
    • Gaunt

      Alelina, what color is the sky in your world? Secularism is responsible for every single discovery about the nature of our world, every single invention and progression. Religion has tried to prevent knowledge, halt progress, deny science, and even torture and kill the scientists, all for simply seeking out the truth. Religion on the other hand created genocides and massacres and slaughters unheard of previously. Christianity resulted fought the bloodiest war per total population in human history, the 30-years war. Oh, but you probably have never heard of that have you?

      April 18, 2011 at 9:13 am |
  13. Adelina

    Christians are the only ones on earth who could systematically prevent the monstrous women and their supporters from massacring the weakest, the most helpless and voiceless humans.

    April 17, 2011 at 11:32 pm |
    • Keith

      I agree. What I'm saying is that I believe God will hold us as Christians responsible for not being able to end this murderous attrocity. We get to preoccupied with our own self interests.

      April 18, 2011 at 8:51 am |
    • Gaunt

      Ask yourself why every single professional medical association in the US is pro-choice? (AMA, APA, AMSA, AAOBGYN, etc). Ask yourself why every single national medical association in the first world is pro-choice. Ask yourself why, when only 53% of the average US population is pro-choice, a full 77% of medical health professionals in the US are pro-choice.

      In the end, if you dont like abortion, thats fine, you can feel free NOT to have one. Nobody is trying to force you to, or compel you to believe differently. But when YOU try to force your minority, medically-unsound, illogical opinion on others, and remove THEIR choice, well then that makes you arrogant and dictatorial.

      April 18, 2011 at 9:09 am |
    • Keith

      "Gosnell's preferred method of performing late-term abortions was to prescribe drugs to induce labor and delivery, which often resulted in the birth of live babies. He then murdered the new-borns by severing their spinal cord with scissors- a process he referred to as 'snipping'.
      In one particularly gruesome case, he induced the labor of a 17-year-old girl who gave birth to a healthy, 18-inch-long, 6-pound baby boy. 'This baby is big enough to....walk me to the bus stop,' Gosnell allegedly joked during the procedure. Gosnell then slit the throat and dumped the body into a shoebox."
      If the 53% of Americans support this evil, then they need to be stopped-much like Hitler needed to be stopped. I wouldn't want to be in your shoes when you stand before the Holy God of the Universe for supporting such attrocities. And I don't want to stand before Him in judgement for not tryiing to stop it. Does that make sense to your evil, warped mind, Gaunt?

      April 19, 2011 at 10:33 am |
    • Gaunt

      Keith, of all the desperate tactics the frothing pro-lifers have used, yours has to be the most disgusting and the most dishonest.

      You quote a man who delivered babaies and then murdered them, (as well as a mother in one case) and has been universally condemned as a monster and is on trial for eight cases of murder, and then you PRETEND that these actions are supported by pro-choicers? I mean, seriously? what the hell is wrong with you?

      Hey, in germany there is a fervent Christian on trial for killing, dissecting, cooking and eating his neighbout,. Since you are religious you MUST be in favour of murder and cannibalism, right?

      Thats your logic, or does it only apply when you misuse it?

      If you want to debate, then try, just TRY and debate like an adult. If you are incapable of helping yourself from acting like a retarded 9-year old pounding away on his mother's computer, then just stop posting.

      April 20, 2011 at 9:03 am |
    • Keith

      Guant, as with many liberals you can't seem to stomach the reality of things you support. If you have the guts, step up and see the repercussions of your cowardly actions. Besides, your whole premise that I'm somehow 'debating' you is absurd and false. Don't flatter yourself. So glad you show your true colors by defending the murder of innocents-you must feel like a real man, huh? Coward.

      April 20, 2011 at 3:43 pm |
    • Info

      @Keith actually it's you who can't seem to stomach the reality of things we know full well what it means, once again you have to get your facts strait, it's only legal to abort the first 21 weeks when the fetus cannot live outside of the mothers womb, if the mother is to give birth within this time line the the fetus could not survive (a miscarriage). That's why it's only allowed at this time line and no time else. It's not murder or the same thing you really need to learn the difference and are laws and why they exists.

      infanticide is a doctor in Philadelphia who aborts sixth, seventh, eighth months into a pregnancy like you mention since he did this after the legal 21 weeks he broke the law and is being convicted to the fullest extent of the law in our country. If it was legal like your claiming or just or pro-choice he would not be on trail for murder, he would be scott free right now, learn your facts. roe vs wade and hydes act is a good start.

      April 20, 2011 at 11:20 pm |
    • Keith

      Info, be sure to present your 'facts' to God when you stand in judgement before Him.

      April 21, 2011 at 8:50 am |
    • Gaunt

      keith, you are a disgrace to your faith and to your family. Only the most desperate of whining children would try and equate a man on trial for multiple murders with the pro-life stance. You squeal like a pre-teen girl about how they are the same, and how one is the consequence of the other, but you dont even TRY and justify or explain that asinine claim (because, of course, you cannot). You can't even manage an effort. Your arguments, much like you, are nothing.

      If you lack the intelligence and education to make an actual argument (as you clearly do) then stop trying, just go crawl under the sink and leave the adults in peace.

      April 21, 2011 at 9:02 am |
    • Keith

      Gaunt, If abortion was illegal, none of this would have happend. As it is, Gosnell got away with it because candy-asses like you cry foul-that some woman's rights are being violated, if anyone would actually REGULATE abortion clinics and make them accountable. If you support abortion, then you're a murderer in my eyes. A gutless, cowardly baby killer. Proud? Feel like a tough guy? I'd even go out on limb and say God would consider it an abomination. I won't even wish you good luck at the Judgement-you don't deserve it. Repent before it's too late.

      April 21, 2011 at 6:23 pm |
    • PraiseTheLard

      If abortion was illegal in this country, the rich would be able to afford to go to another country to have an abortion. The poor will simply multiply or be reduced to seeking out backyard procedures... just like in the old days...

      April 21, 2011 at 6:28 pm |
    • Keith

      Guant, There's a word for people like you EVIL. You want me to stop posting because you think I lack intelligence and education? So just at what IQ would you kill off people because they annoy you? Not everyone can be as 'elite' as you. Old people, mentally retarded, physically handicapped? Where do eliteist pigs get off? Those people need people like me to defend them from swine like you, and I'm all too happy to help them.

      April 21, 2011 at 6:39 pm |
    • Keith

      Oh bull@#%, backyard procedures wouldn't kill 50 million people-hell, Hitler would be jealous of you people.

      April 21, 2011 at 6:48 pm |
    • Info

      "Info, be sure to present your 'facts' to God when you stand in judgement before Him."

      All right I'll play along. fact 1. abortion is no where mentioned in the bible nor is it called a sin. fact 2. when we read revelations 22:18 that anyone that adds to the bible will be condemned.

      "I'd even go out on limb and say God would consider it an abomination"

      you're so called docturn is not explicitly supported in the bible, you're breaking God's commandment not to add anything to God's word.

      happy?

      April 21, 2011 at 7:46 pm |
    • Keith

      Info, You should consider changing your name to "mis-info". Proverbs 6:16,17 These six things doth the Lord hate: Yea, seven are an abomination unto Him: A proud look, a lying toungue, and hands that shed innocent blood....

      April 22, 2011 at 7:57 am |
    • Keith

      Mis-info, Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the Judgement

      April 22, 2011 at 8:03 am |
    • Keith

      Once you get that through your thick skulls and hardened hearts, you come to the logical conclusion that without the Savior-you will be condemned. I pray you arrive at that point some time soon.

      April 22, 2011 at 8:09 am |
    • Keith

      And if you think you don't have to accept Jesus as savior to be saved....think again....John 3:18 He that believeth on Him is not condemned; but he that believeth not is condemned already.

      April 22, 2011 at 8:17 am |
    • Info

      Alright lets keep playing your game, well first you didn't acknowledge that abortion was not mentioned in the bible nor a sin anywhere in the bible, Just like the Christian Right do, 2nd when i called you on adding to God's word you ignored that started talking about me being condemned, i guess were going to he.ll together?.

      "A proud look, a lying toungue, and hands that shed innocent blood."

      using facts and speaking the truth is not a proud look or a lying tongue shedding innocent blood is murder like 21 weeks after the legal limit to abort like Dr. Gosnell did, so my name info is accurate i can back my words with facts, can you? Oh another thing

      "And if you think you don't have to accept Jesus as savior to be saved....think again....John 3:18 He that believeth on Him is not condemned; but he that believeth not is condemned already."

      using your words and scriptures to save me also saves Dr. Gosnel, that monster has to just truly acknowledge and accept Jesus Christ as his lord and savior and he will be saved, forgiven, and in heaven no matter much innocent blood he has shed.

      Romans 10:9 If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

      The Christian God is all loving, forgiving, and powerful correct? by your logic that's all one must do, including that monster or anyone else you don't like or agree in lifestyle or in choice.

      Abortion is not a sin, the bible doesn't support that and it's been legal since roe vs wade in 1973 once again the fetus cannot survive outside of the mothers womb the first 21 weeks and that is the only time it's legal, after 21 weeks the fetus can survive, breath, eat, think ect. can be kept at the hospital to fully grow to a child and that is when it's murder like what that dr was doing. The Hyde's act prevents federal money for being used to pay for abortions so your not paying a dime nor am I unless I choose to donate. Though legally the government can pay for an abortion in 3 extreme cases including r.ape, in.cest, and if the mothers life is in danger giving birth.

      My name is Info and I share it to those who are misinformed, have a good day Keith.

      April 22, 2011 at 5:15 pm |
    • Keith

      Mis-info, Will that be your arguement to God when you stand before Him? Exodus21:22-26. Notice how verse 23 says "life for life"-clearly indicating that the unborn child is a life. Not some blob of cells, but a LIFE. A life you would support killing. You are going to be in deep crap.

      April 23, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
    • Info

      actually no, it's not clearly indicating that the unborn child is a life because abortion is not mentioned in the Bible at all nor is it called a sin anywhere in the text that you seem to like to ignore. the whole fire and brimstone approach isn't helping your argument either. I can do it too.

      revelations 22:18 that anyone that adds to the bible will be condemned. you're breaking God's commandment not to add anything to God's word.

      "notice how verse 23 says "life for life"-clearly indicating that the unborn child is a life" "I'd even go out on limb and say God would consider it an abomination"

      Those statements are not backed up in the bible and are added by you. What are you gonna tell God on judgment day? What about your proud look, and lying tongue? Abominations in his eyes, picking and choosing what to follow as his word.

      Once again your badly misinformed Roe vs Wade regulates abortion clinics and makes them accountable. The ruling disagreed with the plaintiffs' argument that a woman therefore had a right to have an abortion any time and for any reason. Instead, they agreed that the State does have some valid interest in regulating abortion. Hence the 21 weeks when it's as you called it "some blob of cells," that is why it is only legal in this time frame and no time else. The Hyde's act regulates abortions not allowing federal money to be paid for a woman's abortion, if you choose to have one, you have to pay for it.

      You keep judging and asking me what I'll tell God at the Judgement? When I've shown time and time again that abortion is not mentioned anywhere in the bible nor is it anywhere in the bible called a sin. Do not judge, or you too will be judged – Matthew 7:1

      If your against it so much then don't ever have your wife, or daughters have one, but leave everyone else alone, it's their body and their choice, who are you to tell anyone what to do with their own body? No one will ever force your loved ones to have one, why would take that right from anyone else? in a secular democracy, open to all creeds where freedom reins. Unless the const.itution or are laws say were against it, your words are moot.

      April 23, 2011 at 5:17 pm |
    • Keith

      None of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand......Daniel 12:10

      April 26, 2011 at 1:41 pm |
    • Info

      "None of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand......Daniel 12:10"

      Here's hoping all that wickedness, ignorance, bigotry, and misinformation you have vanishes and you become wise, caring, understanding and accepting other peoples beliefs and choices.

      April 28, 2011 at 3:55 am |
    • Keith

      I suppose Elijah was an ignorant bigot when dealing with the prophets of Baal and Ashteroh. You see, the Bible is intolerant, bigoted, and ignorant as defined by people like YOU. The good news is God isn't interested in YOUR opinion, and neither am I.

      April 30, 2011 at 6:57 pm |
    • Info

      Actually your missinformed again. I think you're unwilling to
      tolerate differences in opinions, practices, or beliefs (intolerant), strongly partial to your own group, religion, race, and politics and
      intolerant of those who differ from you (bigot), and lacking
      knowledge and information(ignorant)in our laws and why they exist.

      Of course God isn't interested in my opinion or in yours, since this subject isn't even in the bible and you have to prove God exist as well to back that statement up. I don't hate God or wish to prove him wrong there just isn't any evidence to prove one such as he exist.

      I respect your views and beliefs and by know means wish to take away your choices and rights according to your beliefs, also i'm glad we live in such a land that grants freedom of religion and will gladly fight to keep that right for us all. I just wish you could be just as respectful to other beliefs and choices of other people and faiths regardless if you agree with them or don't as myself and many others respect yours. If we out right refuse to limit your rights, make laws to take away choices and push what we feel is moral on to you, why can't you do the same for us?

      April 30, 2011 at 8:28 pm |
    • Keith

      Talking to you is like talking to a brick. I'm done. Your blood is upon your own head.

      May 1, 2011 at 1:30 pm |
  14. Keith

    The Christian Right is not as powerful as this article makes them out to be. In my opinion they're worthless and weak. Hell, they can't even get something as evil as murdering defenseless babies stopped. Their 'pastors' are hiding in the tall grass when it comes to this fight....too busy trying to convince themselves and others that there is no hell-all so they can justify their evil lifestyles. I've got news for them-God will recompense.

    April 17, 2011 at 9:43 pm |
  15. Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

    @Adelina, why haven't you answered info above? You were asked to provide information and you haven't done so. Why is that?

    April 17, 2011 at 6:50 pm |
    • Adelina

      Tom, I just got in here. Housewives have a lot of works other than reading CNN news and writing comments. I always have answers for young idiotic American non-believers, but the sheer volume prevents me from replying every one of them. And it's time consuming, as you can imagine. If I were you, I'd be reading the Bible and some authentic books on history and science instead of coming here, Tom. You have been brainwashed badly by the liberals and have still a lot to learn about life.

      April 17, 2011 at 11:28 pm |
  16. Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

    Or she'll resort to an unlicensed doc. Or she'll give birth and leave the infant in a trash can.

    April 17, 2011 at 6:47 pm |
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