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April 19th, 2011
05:46 PM ET

Ex-Belgian bishop admits to more abuse

A former Belgian bishop admits to abusing a family member. CNN's Atika Shubert reports.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Belgium • Belief • Bishops • Catholic Church • Christianity • Europe • Sex abuse

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  1. Artist

    Ed

    @Artist, I agree many religion have falling as the governments that support them fall, the only probelm with this point is christianinty has out lived several empries that supported it. Rome of course but most of europe has redically changed governments and forms f governments several times and yet christianinty survives.

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    I was talking more about when an empire crumbles or falls and the conquering army has a much different belief system. Times change and suspect we wont be here in the future as a nation. I talking about drastic change in the world or reduction of population in the world. Who knows 1000, 2000, 3000 more years we might see a ne religion surface. Man has always had a away of re-inventing mythology. As we go forward in science it should be interesting to see how this changes over time. We are already seeing a change in "believers". Of course as man advances there is greater risk of total destruction from man himself. If there is a conversion and religion becomes the minority, can we survive crossing that bridge? I have very little faith in man and I suspect no. We will blow ourselves back to the stone age and we start the cycle all over again. lol

    April 20, 2011 at 7:54 pm |
    • Ed

      your proably right

      April 21, 2011 at 7:53 am |
  2. Reality

    Frogist,

    Peace2all and David Johnson do stop by on occasion. And a happy bunny rabbit day to one and all 🙂

    April 20, 2011 at 6:05 pm |
  3. GSA

    @Frogist – Happy Easter, hope you have a great weekend as well. This place is dead without the usual suspects....and a lot less entertaining.

    April 20, 2011 at 5:48 pm |
  4. Frogist

    Gosh this place is just dead without Peace2all and David's Johnson... Hey there Reality, GSA and CatholicMom. Wishing you guys a holy Easter or happy upcoming weekend... whichever.

    April 20, 2011 at 5:11 pm |
    • CatholicMom

      Hi, Frogist,
      You've been gone, too! I saw a Frog but no Frogist...as Peace2All would say...I hope you are fine.
      Happy Easter to you, too!

      April 20, 2011 at 9:41 pm |
    • Inspector Clouseau

      all,
      (Sorry about bthe spelling errors above, should do the spell check thing more often, no disrespect intended).
      Agree with one and disagree with one sentiment above. First I think execution is too easy. If they had to worry about paying off a huge settlement over many years, it would be a more just remedy. Secondly, I was thinking exactly the same thing. How amazingly civilized this board is the past few days. I hope what CatholicMom says is the case, and people are thinking about their own failings too.
      Hope to see you all in the boards ahead again....
      Blessed and joyous Easter to all. If you are a non believer, I respect that, have a fun egg hunt.

      April 21, 2011 at 11:28 pm |
  5. CatholicMom

    Artist,

    Are you talking about the 'suicide' that someone commits when they allow their hearts to harden and permit satan to enter their soul and use that as their excuse to blaspheme? [a kind of death wish....]

    Jesus was surrounded by all people who had faith in Him…His Mother was with Him His whole life along with many women, and, yes, He loves children…and we are His children! Woe to the one who causes any of these innocents to fall into sin.
    Some of us fall into sin on own while others follow the evil persuasions of others…but we each have a freewill to use to our advantage but children are easily betrayed by those who pretend to 'love' them.

    Jesus Christ left us with many blessings by which we gain strength to fight evil on this journey of life….His Church, His Sacraments…especially Himself in the Holy Eucharist. Only a foolish one would throw out and abandon the very provisions needed to survive.

    April 20, 2011 at 2:47 pm |
    • Reality

      CatholicMom,

      You do realize that most contemporary NT scholars have concluded that there was no Last Supper at least the way it is described in the NT. No Last Supper, no holy eucharist!!

      e.g.

      See http://wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php/016_Supper_and_Eucharist

      An excerpt:

      "At the same time, Luedemann concludes that the portrayal of Jesus celebrating such a ritual on the night before his death is not historical. He is clear that there is "no generic relationship" between any actual final meal and the Lord's Supper understood in cultic terms. He also denies the Passover character of the supper as a Markan creation. Like Meier (below), Luedemann does accept the saying (Mark 14:25) about drinking wine in the kingdom of God as authentic. He concludes: (this saying) "hardly came into being in the early community, for in it Jesus does not exercise any special function for believers at the festal meal in heaven which is imminent. Only Jesus' expectation of a the future kingdom of God stands at the centre, not Jesus as saviour, judge or intercessor."

      April 20, 2011 at 6:12 pm |
  6. Artist

    Another observation: Jesus was not attracted to women, hung out with his "male companions" 24/7 and loved to be surrounded by children. It appears catholic priests are simply following their dead christ's example. Perhaps this is why the catholic church protected child rapists in the past and still do to this day. Cover up after cover up.

    April 20, 2011 at 2:05 pm |
    • Ed

      @Artist that was uncalled for. Lets not disparage Christ because some of those who claim to lead in his example actually betray the children and his followers.

      April 20, 2011 at 3:09 pm |
    • EM

      Actually, Christ hung out with women too (Mary, Martha, Mary of Magdala etc), they just weren't highlighted in the gospels written by men in a male-dominated society. He was also known to drink wine (gasp!), attend parties (oh dear!) and hang out with unsavory people (oh no! Not tax-gatherers!) In short, he was a pretty normal guy who liked people.

      April 20, 2011 at 3:17 pm |
    • Reality

      Hey, I thought Mary Mag was Jesus' squeeze?

      April 20, 2011 at 6:06 pm |
    • Artist

      Ed, you are right. I will try to keep myself in more chec k.
      .
      Catholicmom, with all due respect I do not believe in superst-i-tion and myths. What I find int er es ting is each reli gion pointing the fin ger at themselves saying their god is real and all others are not. Gods crumble along with the emp ires that supported them fall. I suspect the same will happen with christianity. Our history is lit tered with dead gods. We look at the romans with a chu c kle and all their gods they had but yet we have our own. LOL

      April 20, 2011 at 6:14 pm |
    • Ed

      @Artist, I agree many religion have falling as the governments that support them fall, the only probelm with this point is christianinty has out lived several empries that supported it. Rome of course but most of europe has redically changed governments and forms f governments several times and yet christianinty survives.

      April 20, 2011 at 7:20 pm |
  7. Artist

    CatholicMom

    Dorianmode,
    It just might be that we are concentrating more on our own sins since it is Holy Week and we are reminded of how Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus with a kiss.

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    How could judas betray when he did what he was supposed to do and played a key role that allowed the delusional jesus to achieve his goal of suicide. It appears it was jesus who set judas up to do his bidding. Besides choosing a path of suicide with the romans, jesus was a pr!ck to judas and delusional to boot.

    April 20, 2011 at 1:58 pm |
    • Ed

      @Artist,
      It is true Judas did what he had to do but he had a choice he could have not done it. He was jealous of Christ an angry that Christ did things in ways he thought were wrong. He made a choice to betray Christ he was not forced. Christ did not want him too but knew he would. He did warn him and give more than one chance to make a different decision.

      April 20, 2011 at 3:12 pm |
  8. SadieSadie

    I really hate anyone who harms children, especially when they are in a position of trust but I do wonder where all the stories are of non Christian pedophiles? It happens every day to too many children and too often within the home.
    Swift punishment is needed and each should be publicly shamed by having their names and pictures printed in the newspapers or on television. No more hiding behind their lawyers.

    April 20, 2011 at 12:16 pm |
    • Ed

      Agreed SadieSadie although I think exe-cution would be more fitting. I probably should work on that I just ha-te these people a little to much. You asked where are the stories of non-believers fair question. It basically comes down to it better press to write about the religious leaders that do it. Part of the problem is the church its self worked to hard to hide the problem instead of defroching the pedos and sent them to the law. The church should have behaved better and done its part to protect the kids not the sc-um that hu-rt them

      April 20, 2011 at 3:15 pm |
    • SadieSadie

      @Ed,
      Trust me, I have to struggle with this too. As a mother I know that if someone harmed my child they would welcome prison to get away from me (and my military husband). So I know where you are coming from.

      April 20, 2011 at 3:33 pm |
  9. GSA

    @Ed – couldn't agree with you more. No middle ground on this one, if proven to have committed an act of pedo then off with their heads as far as i'm concerned.

    April 20, 2011 at 10:52 am |
    • Arthur Worthington

      And off with the heads of all the people who protected them and hid them and allowed them to continue their pedophilia!

      Oh wait, the head of Catholicism would be headless.

      April 20, 2011 at 12:23 pm |
  10. Chipe

    My sarcasm meter just broke trying to respond to this article...

    April 20, 2011 at 2:09 am |
  11. Reality

    How many more "vomit-inducing" priests/bishops can the "pew peasants" tolerate? Time for them to consider a complete stoppage to the support of the RCC?

    April 19, 2011 at 11:57 pm |
    • ScottK

      42

      Yup thats it, the answer to everything. Of course, if you ask that after 42 more have been caught, the answer will still be 42...

      April 20, 2011 at 7:54 pm |
  12. Dorianmode

    Interesting that there isn't much interest in this story. WHile it is high tragedy, it's also sorta yesterday's news. Ho hum. Another pe-do-phile scandal. What ekse is new ? That in itself is THE story here.
    But his own family......OMG !

    April 19, 2011 at 9:29 pm |
    • CatholicMom

      Dorianmode,
      It just might be that we are concentrating more on our own sins since it is Holy Week and we are reminded of how Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus with a kiss.

      April 20, 2011 at 1:51 pm |
    • Know What

      CatholicMom,

      "Judas betrayed Jesus with a kiss"

      Just as your hierarchy has betrayed you... and all the people who may have had an iota of esteem for them.

      I know that we should not "throw the baby out with the bath water", but this cover-up matter is a serious, serious breach of trust, and, along with other corrupt actions in history, casts extreme doubt on everything and anything that they have ever proclaimed as truth.

      April 20, 2011 at 3:26 pm |
    • Ed

      @Know What, We agree the church made a huge mistake on this one. Unfortunately the church is run by men and they make mistakes. its not a excuse just a fact.

      April 20, 2011 at 5:18 pm |
  13. Artist

    Ed, they dont actual monitor. You need to go through and put spaces between letters. The program is keying on letter combos found in bad words. Example superst ition ....change to superst-tion

    April 19, 2011 at 7:39 pm |
    • Ed

      thats ok it wa pretty harsh they properly should moderate. I think pediphile should be a capital crime and althuough I usaully think an execution when done and it should be very rare should as quick and painless as possible, for pediphiles it should be slow and painful. They just deserve it

      April 20, 2011 at 9:48 am |
    • Inspector Clouseau

      @ Ed,
      Understand the anger. In my opinion, it's not until one of the national courts agree to refer a case to the ICC, (International Criminal Court), in the Hague, that these people will understand how serious this whole thing is. They hide behind any possible boarder, hedge, or excuse. First it's absolute denal, then when faxed with proof, they offer to settle, if the victims agree to a gag order. It's corruption, pure and simple. I see a glimmer of hope in the Phily case where the offical from the diocese who transfered the priests around is charged with child endangerment, even though he is not personally charged with abuse. It's a fist small step. We all know Rome appoints the bishops, and have direct, absolute control of the dioceses, even though they try to duck responsibilty for these crimes. It can't last forever. Can you just imaging an archbishop or cardinal being cross examined on the stand by a good lawyer, about just exactly how independant each bishop is to do their own thing. Ha. Wow. It will make the history books. And it's only a matter of time.

      April 21, 2011 at 10:58 pm |
  14. Ed

    they are moderating my last post and don't seem willing to put up yet. I guess thats fair it was I pretty harsh in how the pediphile bishop should be executed. I hate pediphiles

    April 19, 2011 at 7:27 pm |
    • Dexter Skagway

      Artist is correct, Ed. It's a computer program. The "awaiting moderation" thing is inaccurate, as a human never comes to release it. Look for naughty words hidden in larger words.

      Be like an adolescent teenager and look for t-its and c-um, the most common offenders.

      April 19, 2011 at 9:37 pm |
  15. Artist

    Serious? The clergy in the catholic church raping boys???? I cant believe it :O

    April 19, 2011 at 6:35 pm |
    • stani

      oh yeah? Like, what century are you living in?

      April 20, 2011 at 4:31 am |
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