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My Take: Is Judas in heaven or hell? God only knows
April 21st, 2011
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My Take: Is Judas in heaven or hell? God only knows

Editor's Note: Craig Gross is the pastor and founder of XXXchurch.com. He has written seven books and speaks across the country on a range of topics. He just turned 35 and is no longer a hip 20-something pastor from California.

By Craig Gross, Special to CNN

I heard a news clip promoting my recent speaking engagement at a church, and they mentioned that I deal with some of "the greatest sinners of all time."

I thought to myself: Do I? Would people who are caught up in porn and sexual sin addictions consider themselves some of the greatest sinners of all time? Probably not.

Without a doubt, Judas, the biblical disciple of Jesus, is considered the greatest sinner of all time because of what he did to Jesus.

Here is the passage from Luke 22:21-22.

Do you realize that the hand of the one who is betraying me is at this moment on this table? It's true that the Son of Man is going down a path already marked out.

No surprises there. But for the one who turns him in - who turns traitor to the Son of Man - this is doomsday.

Let me tell you a little bit about what the Bible says about Judas:

He was personally chosen to be an apostle by Jesus.

He spent 3 1/2 years traveling with Jesus.

He saw all the miracles of Christ in person.

He watched as Christ healed the sick, raised the dead and cast out demons.

In terms of experience with Jesus, whatever you can say about Peter, James and John, you can say about Judas.

On top of all this, he handled the money, which is most of the time the most trusted one in the bunch. No one suspected that Judas would betray Jesus, which tells me he was a believer.

His life was changed.

He knew Jesus personally.

In a dark moment of his life, he made a mistake. A big one. He sold Jesus out for 30 silver coins or so. The moment he knew what he had done, he felt remorse, and he killed himself.

I am not here to debate theology. The facts are the facts. I don't think Judas was “The Mole,” like the reality show character who's there to sabotage the game from the beginning. I think he made a mistake and now has gone down as committing the biggest sin of all time.

Judas heard every message, saw every miracle, and still screwed up.

Recently, I asked on my Facebook page: "Is Judas in heaven or hell?"

The first response was:

Judas is in hell today. He has been there for 2,000 years and he will be there forever.

There is a button on Facebook that I have started to love. It is called “unfriend.” I won't unfriend you because you believe differently than I do, I just don’t need more theologians as my friends on Facebook who speak with such confidence when it comes to someone's place in eternity.

A debate continues on my Facebook wall. I love how everyone is so convinced they know whether Judas is in heaven or hell.

I don't know who gets in, actually. Do I believe in heaven and hell? Yes. I believe one is dark and one is light, and they both last forever.

Belief Blog: What if there is no hell?

What is interesting to me is that in the upper room where Jesus and his disciples shared their last supper together, the 12 disciples all talked about how they were so great. Peter left the room and denied Jesus three times.  Judas left the room and sold Jesus out for 30 coins.

One committed suicide, and one went on to build the church as we know it today. Both Peter and Judas committed the same sin. They both denied Jesus. But why do most people think one goes to heaven and one goes to hell?

This is not the debate Christians need to be engaged in. We don’t know. Instead of wasting our time on these types of arguments inside our little Christian world, maybe we should look inside ourselves this Easter.

It is easier to debate these issues and make speculations about others than it is to actually look at ourselves in the mirror. It is always easier to think someone else is worse off then we are.

But maybe as we approach Easter, we can be reminded that for Christians, the cross and the grave should silence all of these debates. We all fall short and deserve death, but because of what Jesus did on the cross 2,000 years ago, we are able to have life. And I believe that where you end up, God only knows.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Christianity • Church • Opinion

soundoff (2,323 Responses)
  1. Timmay

    Easy. He would be in Heaven.

    Since God sent Jesus to die for our sins, one could argue that Judas was merely the vehicle for God's plan (as "God has a plan for all of us..."). For Jesus to die for our sins, Jesus had to be killed and be a martyr. The plot to do so would have to involve someone turning him in as the powers that ruled the land probably needed an insider to catch him. So for everything to happen according to God's plan, God simply used Judas as a means to execute (pardon the pun) his plan. It could have been anyone, but God chose Judas.

    To quote Uncle Robert (Dylan):

    In a many dark hour
    I've been thinkin' about this
    That Jesus Christ
    Was betrayed by a kiss
    But I can't think for you
    You'll have to decide
    Whether Judas Iscariot
    Had God on his side

    April 21, 2011 at 10:02 am |
  2. BelieveThis

    Maybe the question is about whether Judas is in Heaven or Hell. Maybe we are just to be shown that depending on how you handle your sin, what lies ahead for you. Judas sinned and then killed himself. Where as Peter went on to build the church. Peter is likely being shown as someone who repented and chose to do what he felt God was leading him to do. Judas allowed himself to be consumed by his sin, and thus went the way we all know so well. Maybe we are being shown that if you sin, there is hope if you choose to repent and move on, making a sincere decision to turn from your sin and follow Him.

    April 21, 2011 at 10:00 am |
  3. Rainer Braendlein

    It is sure that Judas Iscariot will suffer eternal tortures in a lake of fire.

    Jesus said, it would have been better that Judas never had been born. This statement of Jesus is very harsh. I think it is one of the most frightful statements of the Holy Scripture.

    There is a question. As long as Judas lived on earth, he had a life of pleasure, because he earned money without big efforts. He just took money from God's cash box. Why was it then bad for him that he was ever born? It is clear that Jesus' statement about the birth of Judas refers to his existence beyond. Feeling the heat of the fire, surely Judas wishes, he had never betrayed the highest Majesty of the universe. When we think about the issue of Judas, we must always be aware that Jesus was not only the ordinary carpenter, but the ruler of the universe and the whole world. Indirectly Judas killed the most noble "man" of all time. By the miracles he did, Jesus proved that he was the Son of God. Never someone spoke words like Jesus. Obviously Jesus was a very extraordinary "man". How can I betray the living God having table fellowship with me. It is true, what Jesus said that Judas was a devil. The real devil (satan) left God's communion, although he "daily" saw him in his holy majesty. God is surrounded be thousands of eyes. The beings, having the eyes, steadily call: "Holy, holy, holy ..." God is completely holy.
    Satan, Judas and other bad people reject God's holiness and majesty. It is just a "matter of time", when they will feel who is mightier, they or the eternal God.

    Kind regards,
    Rainer
    http://www.confessingchurch.wordpress.com

    April 21, 2011 at 9:59 am |
    • MyThoughts

      Why so down on poor Judas? If god is all knowing, he knew what Judas would do. If the bible is true, Jesus picked Judas to follow him. If Judas spent time with Jesus, saw his acts and still was able to give him up, wasn't he just carrying out prophecy?

      April 21, 2011 at 5:43 pm |
  4. GI JOHN

    @ Ben .......God is holy and just. He has been fair. He sent His Son as everyones opportunity to escape His wrath. God did not send you to hell. You sent yourself to hell. You choose evil. You choose to reject God and His gift. This is His universe not yours. It does not mattter what you think is fair or unfair. Who are you to talk back to the Creator? You choose to continue to live a life of wickedness......you choose hell. What is so hard to understand? Are you more merciful than God? LOL.......your still alive Ben. That is pretty merciful.

    19 One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’”[

    April 21, 2011 at 9:58 am |
    • Gaunt

      That is, of course, a steaming pile of effluent.

      Just? your version of god is evil, condemning good men to burn forever because they dont scream out HIS name, but scream out somebody elses. That is arrogant and self-indulgent, in other words evil. Good and evil dont matter, your actions dont matter, only whose name you cry out matters.

      Evidence? According to Christians, if Adolf Hitler, the most evil man of the last century, had embraced JC and begged forgivenes in true heartfelt repentance in his last moment, then Hitler is in heaven.

      Also according to Christians, if Mother Theresa, one of the most wonderful and best people of the last century had, on her deathbed, abandoned JC and decided to worship Bhudda, then she would be burning in hell.

      Good and bad dont matter to your god, he is not kind, he is not just, he is not fogiving, he is not merciful. he is an arrogant dictator who just wants everyone to worship him and nobody else.

      April 21, 2011 at 10:05 am |
    • Mjollnir

      Which is why some of us have left him in search of others.

      April 21, 2011 at 10:07 am |
    • sanjosemike

      The "god" of the old testament is a psychopath.

      April 21, 2011 at 10:49 am |
  5. Face

    Hey can anyone tell me whether HeavenSent is retarded or just a troll?

    (I'm thinking a troll, just because there are no actual counter arguments, just scriptures and blanket statements that don't actually mean anything or answer any questions asked....)

    Thanks 🙂

    April 21, 2011 at 9:57 am |
    • Finger Puppet

      Don't waste your time. It's about a conficted multiple personality with a drop down menu for all their various manifestations.

      April 21, 2011 at 12:04 pm |
  6. JulieB

    Its all really very simple, the only thng that send you to Hell is the sin of not believeing that Jesus Christ is your savioir, thats it, thats what the bible says. The Catholics believe suicide is a mortal sin but I don't knink that all Christian religions believe this. If Judas believed who Jesus really is then he is in heaven, Jesus is one forgiving dude.

    April 21, 2011 at 9:57 am |
    • Dorianmode

      No it's NOT all very simple. It's very complicated. The only thing fascinating is the question of why some people's brain cell patterns REQUIRE that the complex world be reduced to a simplistic model.

      April 21, 2011 at 11:57 am |
  7. MirrorMirror

    Let's delve into this fairy tale. If Jesus can forgive him then surely he would go to heaven right? Unless Judas could not accept Jesus' forgiveness (deny him again) and therefore remain in torment (hell). Judas, if he is forgiven by JC, would be left to his own freewill as to whether or not to choose the way (love) and go to heaven. Since JC loves everyone, even Judas and other villains (the biggest point most Christians seem to miss), we can only guess as to whether or not Judas has had enoughtime in the afterlife to go back to his friend. This of course assumes all these tales are even true and that the afterlife even exists. Since other pious characters from history do not agree on Christianity's claim about JC or G*d or the afterlife, it is unlikely to be true.

    Relgion is a construction of the human need to understand life and death and its inconsistencies across cultures merely reflect the diversity of its inventors.

    April 21, 2011 at 9:56 am |
  8. brenda phillips

    god is love

    April 21, 2011 at 9:56 am |
    • Gaunt

      Except when he is slaughtering mankind, drowning them, burning them, commanding them to kill thir children, visiting plagues upon them, having them slaughter each other in wars, turning them to salt, and (lest we forget)m condemning them to eternal torture unless they scream his name and nobody elses.

      But yea, apart from that, he's all about the love.

      April 21, 2011 at 10:00 am |
  9. Steve

    Judas is in hell because Christ said that he is. He said that, for the one who betrays the son of man, it would be better had that man never been born. Not likely that Judas is strolling the halls of eternity with his buddy Jesus.

    April 21, 2011 at 9:56 am |
    • Edward

      Hell is a primitive childish concept created entirely by man......not God or " Jesus ".
      It's 2011, time to grow up and educate yourself on Christianity, it's origins, and the bible.

      April 21, 2011 at 10:07 am |
  10. Edward

    NO such place as " Hell " .....that concept was made up by man so it's a pretty dumb question.

    April 21, 2011 at 9:52 am |
  11. MrSatyre

    "We all fall short and deserve death..."

    Speak for yourself. I'm far from perfect, and no one I know is perfect, but to say we all deserve death? What kind of sanctimonious crap is that? You had me going right up till that point. I was starting to actually think "Hmm, maybe there's one clear-headed Christian/Muslim/Jew out there after all who doesn't preach in absolutes." Apparently I was wrong.

    Move along.

    April 21, 2011 at 9:51 am |
  12. Rainer Braendlein

    It is sure that Judas Iscariot will suffer eternal tortures in a see of fire.

    Jesus said, it would have been better that Judas never had been born. This statement of Jesus is very harsh. I think it is one of the most frightful statements of the Holy Scripture.

    There is a question. As long as Judas lived on earth, he had a life of pleasure, because he earned money without big efforts. He just took money from God's cash box. Why was it then bad for him that he was ever born? It is clear that Jesus' statement about the birth of Judas refers to his existence beyond. Feeling the heat of the fire, surely Judas wishes, he had never betrayed the highest Majesty of the universe. When we think about the issue of Judas, we must always be aware that Jesus was not only the ordinary carpenter, but the ruler of the universe and the whole world. Indirectly Judas killed the most noble "man" of all time. By the miracles he did, Jesus proved that he was the Son of God. Never someone spoke words like Jesus. Obviously Jesus was a very extraordinary "man". How can I betray the living God having table fellowship with me. It is true, what Jesus said that Judas was a devil. The real devil (satan) left God's communion, although he "daily" saw him in his holy majesty. God is surrounded be thousands of eyes. The beings, having the eyes, steadily call: "Holy, holy, holy ..." God is completely holy.
    Satan, Judas and other bad people reject God's holiness and majesty. It is just a "matter of time", when they will feel who is mightier, they or the eternal God.

    Kind regards,
    Rainer
    http://www.confessingchurch.wordpress.com

    April 21, 2011 at 9:50 am |
    • sanjosemike

      Rainer, what have you done personally to assuage the sins of your German forefathers in the Holocaust which will forever mark the German people?

      April 21, 2011 at 11:17 am |
    • @sanjosemike,

      That was uncalled for. He was probably not alive then. There is plenty of guilt to spread around. What have YOU done to assuage the guilt of YOUR forefathers in pushing the Native Americans off their land, and of their genocide ?

      April 21, 2011 at 4:14 pm |
    • MyThoughts

      @@sanjosemike uncalled for? you ean like original sin, blaming an innocent born long after a mythical couple for something they did?

      April 21, 2011 at 5:33 pm |
  13. GI JOHN

    Judas was worldly minded my friend. He did not understand Jesus mission here on earth. Judas was the treasurer for the disciples and continually stole money. Judas wanted Jesus to set up a worldly kingdom. Judas was not a follower of Christ who only made one big mistake. Judas was what we know today as a carnal christian and based on Gods Word will end up in Hell.

    April 21, 2011 at 9:47 am |
    • Colin

      but, GI John, I thought your sky-fairy was all knowing and that both it and Jesus himself knew Judas was going to do this and that it was all part of their grand plan. Seems a harsh punishment for a mere mortal who was pre-destined by god to do the dirty work,, no?

      April 21, 2011 at 9:53 am |
    • John

      We are all as our creator made us. Let us be thankful for the everlasting salvation given as a free gift through Jesus Christ. A gift that cannot be earned, given freely through the dieing and resurrection our lord Jesus, the holy and living sacrifice eternal. Thanks be to God.

      April 21, 2011 at 12:00 pm |
    • SLP

      @GI John
      Just because God is all knowing and knows what we are going to do before hand doesn't mean that we aren't responsible for our actions. He isn't a puppet master who uses us as pawns. He knows what we are going to do but we don't. We still make the decision. God looked into the future, saw the decision Judas was going to make, and used that decision in his plan to save humanity.
      The point of this article, people, isn't to debate whether Judas is in hell or heaven. It is to point out that christians waste too much time debating trivial issues and not enough time on making sure that other people don't end up in hell for eternity. Jesus told us to spread the good news. He didn't tell us to sit around and debate morality and the eternal fate of an apostle who lived 2,000 years ago. Wherever Judas is, he is there forever and debating it will not change a thing for him. The fact is that God used the deplorable sins of alot of people to bring about something beautiful. Essentially, the murder of His Son is what saves the rest of us if we choose to accept it.

      April 21, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
    • SLP

      Sorry, GI John. My response was to Colin's post, not yours.

      April 21, 2011 at 12:14 pm |
    • Zim

      @SLP

      So what you're saying then is that God really sacrificed Judas, not Jesus, since Judas is the one in hell? Judas died and is burning in hell for our sins? If you think about it, it's more of a sacrifice than the crucifixion and resurrection of an immortal being. Why did God forsake HIM?

      April 21, 2011 at 2:02 pm |
  14. onenamilliongirl

    I read the headline and before I clicked on it, I debated within myself. Well he was a believer, he did betray Jesus, but betraying is not the same as denying he's the Christ. So before I actually clicked on your article, I said I don't know for a fact, only God knows. Thank God I'm told NOT to judge. I can leave the decision to Almighty God whom it should be with and not us.

    April 21, 2011 at 9:46 am |
    • Dorianmode

      Good points. Thank you.
      Remember when the apostles asked him, "Will you, at this time, restore the KIngdom to Israel?"
      They clearly had certain political ambitions for him and themselves. This is simply a case of one of the followers beco-ming disenchanted with the lack of ambition in the guy they thought would lead them to a different political place, (ie freedom from the Roman occupation).

      April 21, 2011 at 11:48 am |
  15. Ben

    Well I'm not religious, but isn't suicide a sin according to Christianity? So regardless of if he betrayed Jesus or not, he should be in hell (according to my understanding of Christianity).

    However, the whole concept of Hell makes me dislike Christianity as it is commonly believed. If God is infinitely loving and forgiving, why would he send anyone to Hell? Just because not all of us ask for forgiveness or believe in him? That just seems ridiculous. If anyone refused to believe in me, I wouldn't want them to suffer at all! Would that make me more merciful than God?

    April 21, 2011 at 9:46 am |
    • meg

      Hello Ben, it also says in ecclesiastes 9:5 that the living are conscious that they will die but the dead are conscious of nothing at all, so if you are in "hell" how could you be conscious and be burning forever? And yes why would a god of undeserved kindness and mercy have someone burning forever. Consider also the case of the righteous man Job, who suffered much. Wishing to escape his plight, he pleaded: "Who will grant me this, that thou mayest protect me in hell [Sheol], and hide me till thy wrath pass?"(Job 14:13, ) How unreasonable to think that Job desired to go to a fiery-hot place for protection! To Job, "hell" was simply the grave, where his suffering would end. The Bible hell, then, is the common grave of mankind where good people as well as bad ones go.Since the dead have no conscious existence, hell cannot be a fiery place of torment where the wicked suffer after death. What, then, is hell? Examining what happened to Jesus after he died helps to answer that question. The Bible writer Luke recounts: "Neither was [Jesus] forsaken in Hades [hell, King James Version] nor did his flesh see corruption."* (Acts 2:31) Where was the hell to which even Jesus went? The apostle Paul wrote: "I handed on to you . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures; and that he was buried, yes, that he has been raised up the third day according to the Scriptures." (1 Corinthians 15:3, 4) So Jesus was in hell, the grave, but he was not abandoned there, for he was raised up, or resurrected. One of my friends asked a priest this questions If jesus dies for all of our sins why would certain ones be burning in hell forever, the priest said we know there is no hell we havent had a talk on hell in a long time but how else are we going to get people to come to church!

      April 21, 2011 at 10:18 am |
    • Skegeeace

      They are not conscious of anything going on on Earth- it's not that they don't have a consciousness elsewhere. He was saying that because some pagan religions thought to contact the dead or that the dead could help guide the living.

      April 21, 2011 at 10:33 am |
  16. Adelina

    God's Word says there are Heaven and hell. Trust what God said rather than sinful humans' groundless, wishful thought.

    April 21, 2011 at 9:45 am |
    • Edward

      That is EXACTLY what you are doing. What your are following is man word, man's creation, man's myth, what you believe in has nothing to do with God. Christianity is a man made myth and has nothing to do with God. You are following the words of ancient, ignorant, primitive, superstious men......not God. Educate yourself.

      April 21, 2011 at 9:55 am |
    • Hurley

      Actually man's words say that. Most religions don't even believe in Hell. Stop putting words into God's mouth. Men wrote the Bible, they edited it, they translate it to suit their needs and there's dozens of versions of it. How can that be "God's Word"? Totally ridiculous.

      April 21, 2011 at 10:23 am |
    • Edward

      People are very gullible. People read the bible and God laughs at them and rolls his/eyes eyes.

      April 21, 2011 at 10:43 am |
    • Edward

      my apologies, I need to slow my typing and proof read.

      April 21, 2011 at 10:45 am |
    • What do Easter eggs have to do with Easter ?

      Sorry Adelina

      Its NOT Gods word, its mans word.
      God wrote nothing.
      Jesus wrote Nothing.
      Man wrote everything
      and said "This is the word of God'
      But men never lie, do they ?

      April 21, 2011 at 12:39 pm |
    • JW

      So even though it was a man's hands putting ink to paper, God could not have inspired him to write the words? Seeing as how you can't spell Christianity without CHRIST, Jesus Christ is our Lord and Saviour, no myth, the Bible is the word of God, regardless of whose hands were writing it. Watch "The Real Face of Jesus" and explain to me how that is a myth, using science to prove that Jesus died and rose from the dead, and even finding things that science could not explain, because of the miracle of His resurrection.

      April 21, 2011 at 1:27 pm |
  17. John

    We weren't there. I think if there is a heaven or hell, he is in heaven. How do we know that Jesus didn't orchestrate the whole thing with Judas?

    April 21, 2011 at 9:44 am |
    • Nonimus

      If the Bible is "the Truth," how could that be so? Would God not tell the whole story?

      April 21, 2011 at 10:16 am |
  18. not a zombie

    This story is ridiculous. Religious people spend half their time guessing and the other half being self righteous about their guesses.

    April 21, 2011 at 9:44 am |
  19. Txguy

    Well isn't killing yourself a mortal sin? Even if he had remorse for turning in Jesus and was forgiven (which i believe could be if he asked) wouldn't the act of suicide be the clencher?

    April 21, 2011 at 9:43 am |
    • Colin

      It depends which one of the completely contradi-ctory stories you believe. According to the author of Matthew he killed himself, but according to Acts (which was probably written by the author who wrote John) after he bought the field with the money he "fell headlong and burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out".

      So, which piece of Dark Ages nonsense are you going with?

      April 21, 2011 at 9:47 am |
    • Alverant

      But Jesus killed himself. He willingly let himself die which is the same as suscide. So I guess Jesus is in hell too.

      April 21, 2011 at 10:00 am |
    • Ladyhawk

      I agree. The fact that Judas committed suicide means he would be in hell. For those non believers that is your choice, we all have choices to make and being religious does not mean we lack intelligence.

      April 21, 2011 at 12:36 pm |
    • JW

      Where does it say in the Bible that suicide is an unforgiveable sin? The Bible actually makes it very clear that the only unpardonable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. I believe that all other sins are forgiveable, including murder (suicide = murdering yourself). Having said that, wasn't Judas fulfilling prophecy? One of the 12 was going to betray Jesus, and there are several references in the bible about that prophecy, specifically (Ps. 41: 9, 69: 25, 109: 8). Here is a man who has witnessed all of Jesus' miracles, raising the dead, giving sight to the blind, etc. But yet when the devil came upon him (John 13), he was powerless. It could have been Peter the devil entered, or any one of the 12. It was unfortunate that in his grief over what he had done, that he did not turn to Jesus for forgiveness, but we do not know what happened at the place where he hung himself, nor will we until the day of judgment when all things will be revealed to us. Hebrews 10:12-14 says that Jesus died once for all time. That means all our sins, past present and future were dealt with at the cross. This includes suicide, the last sin of a person’s life. And because God knew all of our sins before we took our first breath it doesn’t take him by surprise if a believer dies at his own hand. He saw it before it happened, took it to the cross with all our other sins, and paid for it there.

      April 21, 2011 at 1:20 pm |
    • Victoria

      I believed that it was a mortal sin as well, but we don't know what he did with his last breath. As hard as it is to believe, he could've sincerely asked for forgiveness before dying and received it. Forgiveness is for everyone.

      April 21, 2011 at 1:42 pm |
    • Carl

      Hmmmm....well, the burst bowel story is nice.

      April 21, 2011 at 2:09 pm |
  20. TheRationale

    Well the actual/relevant answer is neither because neither heaven nor hell exists.

    April 21, 2011 at 9:24 am |
    • Mjollnir

      You say this with an obnoxious amount of certainty.

      April 21, 2011 at 9:34 am |
    • JohnQuest

      No more "obnoxious amount of certainty" than saying that there is No Santa nor an Easter Bunny.

      April 21, 2011 at 9:39 am |
    • Colin

      Mjollnir – I am completely certain they do not exist as well. The whole notion of living happily ever after (or buring for all eternity) is completely absurd. The stuff of child's fairytales. the thing is, most of us grow out of them.

      April 21, 2011 at 9:41 am |
    • Tom

      Neither does Judas nor Jesus. It's all made up.

      April 21, 2011 at 9:44 am |
    • Face

      While I agree with you, please don't "state" things as facts or as if "we know" that one or the other exists....If we say things with certainty or 100% confidence then "we" are just as bad as the childish religious believers....

      April 21, 2011 at 9:46 am |
    • Colin

      @Face. While, from a purist persepective you are correct, the chances are so vanishingly small as to be indistinguishable from zero.

      April 21, 2011 at 9:49 am |
    • Adelina

      Chance of zero belongs to evolution and big bang.

      April 21, 2011 at 9:51 am |
    • Jeremy

      Exactly! I'd love to hear someone try to expain to me where heaven and hell are supposed to be. When humans were much more primitive, lacking the technology and understanding of the universe, I could almost understand our creation of god. The sky held many magical amazing mysteries to the primitive human – mysteries that have since been solved. Obviously we thought there was a god in the sky and it only made sense that that must be where heaven was but once the first space shuttle left our atmosphere – and then saw the great expanse of space, not heaven as we were all lead to "believe" then why didn't humanity start to outgrow all of this nonesense?

      April 21, 2011 at 9:53 am |
    • Mjollnir

      See, what I mean is this whole "fairytale" business. Why do I see so many people who believe that there are no Gods acting as though they are superior in intellect to those who do believe. Your beliefs are your own; having them doesn't make you better.

      April 21, 2011 at 9:53 am |
    • REALLY?

      Actually the death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus prove both exist because he didn't come back from no where and he ascended into heaven. Now you can doubt the truth of those things but the fact is that the Jews who had EVERY reason to refute Jesus' death and resurrection only came up with "his disciples must have stollen the body" and St. Paul tells us that he appeared to hundreds of believers. But even if you reject that evidence there is NO proof that hell doesn't exist. And you may want to consider now what consequence you may face should you be wrong. Just sayin'.

      April 21, 2011 at 9:56 am |
    • Colin

      @Mjollina -In the 21st Century, person A blindly accepts (or worse, questions and then still accepts) stroies about a 6,000 year old World, a talking snake, a man living in a whale's belly, people living to be 900 years old, a man rising from the dead, a super-powerful sky being that created the entire universe, etc., etc.

      Person B rejects the above as superst-itious nonsense and gets his or her understanding of the world from science and education. Is not person B somewhat justified in questioning the intellectual wherewithall of person A?

      April 21, 2011 at 10:00 am |
    • Mjollnir

      First of all, 'Mjollina'? Seriously? If that was an attempt to insult me, then it's sad. If you're going to insult someone, at least have the decency to do it well.
      Second, while person B is more than welcome to question person A's intelligence, person A can question person B's. And they can both be wrong. Meanwhile, person C is wondering why these two are bickering, but shrugs and gets on with his life.
      Which one would you say is the wisest?

      April 21, 2011 at 10:06 am |
    • GRITS

      If a man knoweth a thing he hath no cause to believe, for he knoweth it. Faith is not to have a perfect knowledge of things; therefore if ye have faith ye hope for things which are not seen, which are true.

      April 21, 2011 at 10:10 am |
    • Nonimus

      @Face,
      Well said

      April 21, 2011 at 10:12 am |
    • sanjosemike

      Mjollnir said: "You say this with an obnoxious amount of certainty."

      sanjosemike responds: Yes, we are certain because consciousness requires complex biological, chemical and or/electrical networks with a power supply. Without that there is no consciousness. Period.

      April 21, 2011 at 10:52 am |
    • sanjosemike

      Really said: "But even if you reject that evidence there is NO proof that hell doesn't exist. And you may want to consider now what consequence you may face should you be wrong. Just sayin'."

      sanjosemike responds: I'm quite willing to take that chance. The god YOU believe in just sat by and did nothing while 6 million Jews were murdered. Don't give me this "free will" stuff. Your god is either a psychopath, dead or asleep at the switch.

      April 21, 2011 at 10:57 am |
    • JOHNNY 5

      Mjollnir~ Would you a refill of your snake oil?

      April 21, 2011 at 11:54 am |
    • KatArt27

      I am always confused about people being in heaven or hell at the present. I thought no one went any where until Jesus comes again to "judge the living and the dead." But there are other references to people already being in hell in the Bible too. The contradiction is just strange. Also I don't think that Hell should be the motivator for believing in God or Jesus or anything eles. If you do believe, it should be because it is the right thing to do, not because you fear what might happen otherwise.

      April 21, 2011 at 12:17 pm |
    • VishaNu

      Oh my freakin' God!

      As I read this article, I thought, "What an awesome question that should respond thought-provoking debate!" Unfortunately, that debate that should have taken place has been railroaded by atheists who seem to think they need to give their two cents worth on a topic that doesn't even concern them.

      Nice. Way to hijack a thread and turn it into the same old debate found everywhere else.

      If atheists don't like Christians proselytizing their beliefs to them, then WHY– Why freakin' WHY - do they proselytize their lack of beliefs to Christians? Is it because they feel excluded from the conversation?

      This post has nothing to do with atheism. It's a debate about Judas and the afterlife. If you don't believe in an afterlife, then you don't have a dog in this fight. Go find another threat to hijack.

      Personally, I believe the fate of Judas' soul lies in his own hands. It all depends on whether or not Judas forgave himself.

      April 21, 2011 at 12:31 pm |
    • Inspector Clouseau

      @KatArt27,
      And that ain't all. If at death a soul eneters "eternity", a timeless dimension, then howcould it "go " anywhere, or transition from one state to another, in a timeless dimension. A transition necessarily involves time and change, and transformation, all time based concept. Cheers.

      April 21, 2011 at 4:30 pm |
    • Mjollnir

      Sanjosemike said: Yes, we are certain because consciousness requires complex biological, chemical and or/electrical networks with a power supply. Without that there is no consciousness. Period.
      Mjollnir says: And that relates to what I said...how?
      And Johnny 5, what are you talking about. I mean, come on, make sense people.

      April 26, 2011 at 9:45 am |
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