home
RSS
Sainthood explained: Understanding John Paul II's beatification
Pope John Paul II in Berlin, Germany, in 1996. He will be beatified in Rome on Sunday.
April 26th, 2011
10:41 AM ET

Sainthood explained: Understanding John Paul II's beatification

By John L. Allen, Jr., CNN Senior Vatican Analyst

Rome (CNN) - The beatification of Pope John Paul II this Sunday will probably be the biggest event in Rome since his death in April 2005, with at least 300,000 people expected to turn out for the ceremony and more than 2 million to take part in beatification-related activities in Rome, including a vigil service on Saturday in Rome’s Circus Maximus and visits to John Paul’s tomb.

Beatification is the next-to-last step in the sainthood process. It means the candidate can be referred to as “blessed,” and that one miracle has been confirmed in his or her name. Another miracle is required for canonization, the formal act of declaring someone a saint.

Here are more questions and answers about the process – and about John Paul II:

What is a saint, and how many are there?

Catholics believe a saint is someone who lived a holy life and who’s already in heaven. Saints are considered role models for people still on earth, and are capable of interceding with God on someone’s behalf when a request for help is made in prayer.

The actual number of saints is impossible to calculate. One well-known work called "Lives of the Saints" lists 2,565 Catholic saints but that doesn’t count thousands of others celebrated in local regions all over the world. The Catholic Church has a feast, All Saints’ Day, on November 1 to honor the countless saints who aren’t formally canonized.

So how does one become a saint?

In one sense it’s a democratic process, beginning with a grassroots conviction that a given person lived a holy life. From there, things unfold in three stages. First, Church officials make a study of the person’s life. In John Paul’s case, a four-volume study stretching over more than 2,000 pages was produced, including testimony from more than 100 witnesses.

Next, one miracle after the candidate’s death is required for be beatification - and another for canonization. Usually the miracles are healings, which must be instantaneous, permanent, and complete, in addition to scientifically inexplicable. Catholics see the miracle as God’s seal of approval, a way of verifying that the saint really is in heaven.

As pope, John Paul II made the sainthood process faster and simpler – but it’s still not cheap. The biggest expenses are usually the ceremonies for beatification and canonization. When St. Josemaría Escriva, the founder of Opus Dei, was canonized in 2002, Opus Dei estimated that it had spent roughly $1 million on the process from beginning to end, stretching over three decades.

Why the rush to beatify John Paul II?

John Paul’s beatification is the quickest in modern times, made possible because Pope Benedict XVI waived the normal five-year waiting period after death to get someone’s beatification rolling. Benedict was responding to crowds who chanted “Santo Subito!” (Sainthood Now!) at John Paul’s funeral Mass and to a petition signed by the cardinals who elected Benedict.

In one way, the pace of John Paul’s cause is a result of his own policies. He sped up saint-making in 1983, a move meant to lift up contemporary role models of holiness. Since then, at least 20 candidates have been beatified within 30 years of their death. For the record, John Paul’s is not the most “fast-tracked” sainthood of all time. That distinction belongs to St. Anthony of Padua, who died in June 1231 and was canonized less than a year later.

What was John Paul’s miracle?

It concerns a 49-year-old French nun, Sister Marie Simon-Pierre Normand, who was diagnosed with Parkinson’s disease in 2001 and whose religious community prayed to John Paul II after his death. After writing the late pope’s name on a piece of paper one night, Sister Marie-Simone reportedly awoke the next morning cured and was able to resume her work as a maternity nurse. The miracle has a poetic arc, since John Paul also suffered from Parkinson’s.

Last year, media reports implied that the sister had fallen ill again and that a physician had questioned the diagnosis of Parkinson’s disease. The Vatican resolved those doubts to its satisfaction, as the miracle was approved by its panels of medical and theological consultants. Sister Marie-Simone will attend the beatification ceremony in Rome this weekend.

Why was John Paul II such a significant pope?

Tradition recognizes 264 popes since St. Peter, described in the Bible as the leader of the disciples of Jesus and regarded by Catholics as the first pope. Only a handful of popes, however, have left a deep mark on history, and John Paul II belongs on that list.

He played a key role in bringing down Communism, made 104 foreign trips and is commonly regarded as having been seen in the flesh by more people than any other figure in history, and improved ties with Judaism and Islam. Internally, John Paul II reenergized Catholicism, inspiring a “John Paul generation” of young lay people, priests and bishops. Some commentators have suggested that he will be remembered as John Paul the Great.

That said, there is debate over some aspects of John Paul’s record, including his handling of the Catholic sexual abuse crisis. Officially, the Vatican insists that beatifying and canonizing a pope is not the same thing as endorsing every decision of his papacy. Instead, it means that despite whatever failures occurred, the pope was nevertheless a holy man.

What’s the next step in making John Paul a saint?

Officials will begin looking for that aforementioned second miracle. If one is approved by the Vatican and by the pope, John Paul II could then be canonized. It’s not clear how long that might take, but there doesn’t seem much suspense about the eventual result: Sooner or later, the Church will add “St. John Paul II” to its list.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Catholic Church • Christianity • Italy • Pope Benedict XVI • Pope John Paul II • Vatican

soundoff (469 Responses)
  1. Paul King

    In the summer of 1938, Karol Wojtyla moved to Krakow in Poland where he enrolled at the Jagiellonian University. While studying such topics as philology and various languages at the university, he also did his compulsory military training. In 1939, Nazi Germany’s occupation forces closed the University and from 1940 to 1944, Wojty?a worked at various jobs including as a salesman for a particular chemical company.
    The German I.G. Farben Industries Group (Interessen-Gemeinschaft Farbenindustrie A.G.) had a branch and factory in Poland and the young (22 years old) Karol Wojtila worked for them in their sales department. They also ran Auschwitz Concentration Camp in Poland as well as manufacturing the gas used to kill the prisoners. As an aside, Prince Bernhard of Holland was also a Nazi sympathizer and was on the board of I. G. Farben for a short time. He was also on the board of the KLM Dutch airline that flew many of the high level Nazis to South America at the end of the war.

    From the Book Review “In God’s Name – An Investigation into the Murder of Pope John Paul I,” by David Yallop, original release 1984, Carroll & Graf Publishers.

    June 15, 2011 at 3:30 am |
  2. Ed

    First of all, the Pope John II, will come back as the Anti-Chrisit, so stop kissing up to all the pope.

    May 13, 2011 at 4:15 pm |
  3. Vivian Ogechi

    It is good that we have experienced such a holy man in our generation. Having seen JohnPaul 2 physically gives me and some others the joy of treading the part to holiness while still on earth. He is a mentor.

    May 5, 2011 at 6:18 am |
  4. jj

    We are all sons and daughters of the gods, and need no saints, mediators or clergy

    May 3, 2011 at 2:57 pm |
  5. Paul

    First I would like to point out that being a saint means that you are a child of God. The Word of God declares that all those that have put there personal trust in the Lord Jesus Christ as their Saviour and Lord, those that are truly born again ( born from above ) is a saint. Only God can deliver one from the penalty of sin, and make him a new creature in and through the shed blood of His only begotten Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. Salvation is exclusive in that it is only through the Son and that it is a gift of God. God determines who shall be saved not man. John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. In John 3:8 Jesus told Nicodemus that a person is born (given spiritual life ) from the Holy Spirit. Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption ( paid the ransom ) that is in Christ Jesus. Jesus paid the price for His people through the blood that He shed on the cross.
    So it is evident by reading the Word of God that no man, no pope can make anyone a saint, only God has that ability. And also the Bible clearly teaches that Jesus Christ as the only begotten Son is God the Son. It is the work of Father, Son and Spirit that saves, gives spiritual life to people.

    May 2, 2011 at 1:54 pm |
  6. Michael

    ...."Saints are considered role models for people still on earth, and are capable of interceding with God on someone’s behalf when a request for help is made in prayer."

    There is no other mediator of a sinful man to Holy God but only the name of our Lord Jesus Christ according to 1 Timothy 2:5 and our Lord Jesus clearly stated it in John 16:23 said ....."I tell you the truth, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name."

    May 2, 2011 at 5:17 am |
  7. john leddy

    a priest says "hocus pocus" and a piece of bread becomes the creator of the universe. a virgin has a baby. noah's ark: where could that big boat be? the ark of the covenant containing the commandments disappears without a trace or a biblical comment.adam and eve and the pandora's box story. if these and the hundreds of other myths found in the judeo-christian books don't convince you that these man made religions are fairy tales, i got a bridge in brooklyn that i will sell you for a reasonable price.

    May 1, 2011 at 1:26 am |
    • Apple6

      My dad takes some time teeing to come with ways for stories in the bible to make sense. In the case of noah's ark...

      A tsunami came ashore in the middle east, and a smart man collected all his animals and got on a boat with them and his family ( people do that). Seeing no logical explanation for tsunamis, Noah claims god told him to build a an ark, for he would flood the world. The proof that the story of how ALL the animals were there is false is that I doubt they ever saw pandas, moose, whitetail deer, and polar bears.

      May 8, 2011 at 4:20 pm |
  8. shamgar50

    That adults believe this, simply boggles the mind.

    April 30, 2011 at 5:35 pm |
  9. john

    The scary reality for Catholics is that many of their 'rules' are just made up. Among MANY examples, there simply is no purgatory, once dead, you cannot be prayed by the living to get into heaven. There is no mention of a purgatory, it was invented as a way for the church to make money by selling forgiveness to finance operations. 2nd, and this is the scarier, there is no one other than Jesus Christ to whom one can reach God through. There is NO mention on calling on ANY other name to reach God, not a pope, a saint, even Mary, or a 'really good person'. It's just not biblical. Again, this was created by the church for their to be a reason for people to come to church and then financially support the church. Along those lines, no one other than Jesus Christ can forgive sins, so there is no 'confessions to a priest' – it's just another thing to lead people astray. Look it up – you should test everything. And know that Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to the Father, God. And ONLY through belief in Him and his sacrifice through death and resurection can you be forgiven and accepted into heaven immediately upon death. Unfortunately, many many catholics will be turned away because they listened to their church and not Jesus. But, so will many who claim to be Christians as well, because they think "as long as I live a good life". It will be a sad sad reality that will last for eternity. You may not believe me, and that's fine – but consider this. What if I'm right? Don't you think that you should at least investigate it? Choice is yours. I'm fine with my choice. I seriously urge you to consider investigating Jesus and putting faith only in Him. Yes, I expect flame and hate and folks saying "do you believe in Santa and the Easter bunny?" I'm sure you get a good laugh at that now, but in the end, you will not be laughing. Can you really, really look at the night sky or a picture of the universe or just life itself and say there is no God? That takes a lot of faith my friend. I hope you choose smartly.

    April 30, 2011 at 9:13 am |
  10. Reality

    Sainthood exposed with a prayer:

    The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated by yours truly as based on the studies of historians and theologians during the past 200 years)

    I might believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
    and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
    human-created state of bliss called heaven.

    I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
    preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
    named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
    girl named Mary.

    Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
    the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

    He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
    a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
    Jerusalem.

    Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
    many semi-fiction writers. A bodily resurrection and
    ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
    Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
    grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
    and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
    called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

    Amen

    April 27, 2011 at 8:27 pm |
  11. Artist

    PRISM 1234

    "As (the Bible)for being inspired by a ghost well that is simply your perception. The core of your faith is in man, whether you want to admit it or not."
    LOL! ! ! And dear Artist, JUIST HOW would you knwo anything about that subject! You are a person that is spiritually DEAD, meaning , that the part of you that can perceive, and understand God an things of the spirit, is dead. That's why you and others can not comprehend the things of God. You're blind to them. So, why not just zip up about the things you know nothing about, hm? I do not say this to offend you, but you are not qualified nor in position of authority to say where the Holy Bible comes from, whether it is by man or God inspired, or where our faith and knowledge of Him comes from! Honestly, some of you people show only how green and immature you are!
    ------------–
    .
    Interesting, I know nothing about spiritual things. I guess next you will say I wasnever a christian. lol
    .
    I think we can all agree that a human hand physically wrote the bible. To believe that there was a god behind it would require the person to have faith in the man writing the bible.
    .
    I cannot and do not expect to change anybody's mind. I know this well enough that it has to come from within the person to make a change. It wasn't easy for me, however I have never looked back nor felt better after breaking the chains of myths and brainwashing. If that is considered spirtually dead now, then I will proudly agree.

    April 27, 2011 at 5:10 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      Artist, I don't know WHERE you've been and WHATyou've been. But I do know that you never was a Christian. You may have been RELIGIOUS, but you've never known Jesus Christ, and never been one of His own, or else you would have never left Him. I will not discuss anything further with you, but one thing I will say. You live in your "freedom" you've found, I will in my "shackles" and my "ignorance". And at the end ,we' will see where your road led you, and where did mine lead me, and what the outcome of our journeys is.... Fair enough! Till then, don't talk presumptuously about things you KNOW NOTHING ABOUT!

      April 28, 2011 at 10:05 pm |
    • Ralph

      "Till then, don't talk presumptuously about things you KNOW NOTHING ABOUT!"

      This is the log in your eye, but your judgment about others is false! Get over yourself and stop being such a jerk.

      April 29, 2011 at 10:54 am |
    • PRISM 1234

      @Ralph
      You know nothing about logs in my eyes, nor do you know anything about judgment! If you went to read what Jesus Christ said just 2 verses after John 3:16 to be exact 18-21, and if you allowed those words to shine spotlight at your own heart, , you would be glad to zip your mouth!

      --------
      @"artist"
      You dare to exalt yourself, from your imaginary lofty pedestal, speaking your shallow, frivolous thoughts, even calling people who speak about God, proclaiming the truth of His word, as ignorant .

      But this is what YOU are, and this is His word for you:
      You are poor, insignificant, wretched, miserable creature, who were born into this world, you were given life and good things of it.... In your short life that you lived, you've been given a chance to understand, and to know WHY you are in this world.
      But for the crumbs which are under the table of this world, for which the empty, shallow, miserable souls fight to feed on, you have forsaken something what could have given you a treasure that can not compare to anything this empty, shallow world which is devoid of any depth of meaning could give you.
      And because of this what you did, and because you scorn, belittle, and esteem as ignorant those who have not done the way you did, your own words will judge you, and those who have never known the way, becasue they were NOT given what you've been given, will stand against you in judgment! B ecause if they had chance like you did, they would have never refused it....
      I will not waste my time on such people as yourself, but this what I have written, you will remember, even if you cast it aside in your pride... because one day it'll stare you in the face!
      That's all!

      April 30, 2011 at 11:02 am |
  12. PRISM 1234

    "As (the Bible)for being inspired by a ghost well that is simply your perception. The core of your faith is in man, whether you want to admit it or not."
    LOL! ! ! And dear Artist, JUIST HOW would you knwo anything about that subject! You are a person that is spiritually DEAD, meaning , that the part of you that can perceive, and understand God an things of the spirit, is dead. That's why you and others can not comprehend the things of God. You're blind to them. So, why not just zip up about the things you know nothing about, hm? I do not say this to offend you, but you are not qualified nor in position of authority to say where the Holy Bible comes from, whether it is by man or God inspired, or where our faith and knowledge of Him comes from! Honestly, some of you people show only how green and immature you are!

    April 27, 2011 at 4:58 pm |
    • Ralph

      Prism many of the people who oppose your view point have read and studied the Bible. You have to make that assumption about them to justify your need to be so insulting. Your ignorance of those that do not think like you is very apparent. Why don't you do some studying and zip it till you have. What a jerk.

      April 27, 2011 at 5:16 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      Ralph, the above post was a respond to yours written at 5:16, on 27th.
      I don't know how it got mis-placed!

      April 28, 2011 at 9:55 pm |
  13. Artist

    HeavenSent

    Ed, the Bible was scribed by Holy men divinely inspired by the Holy Spirit. God is the author of the Bible.
    -----------------–
    .
    Please note, you agree the bible was written by man. As for being inspired by a ghost well that is simply your perception. The core of your faith is in man, whether you want to admit it or not.

    April 27, 2011 at 2:33 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      Ralph, many people can study the Bible , but unless they come to God, the author of it, and humble themselves before Him, they'll only end up with head knowledge and not heart knowledge of Him.
      As for my post being insulting.... I don't go around to atheist forums, they can have theirs... When some green twig comes here, making him/herself authority on something they know nothing about, I will not sugarcoat my words!

      April 28, 2011 at 9:52 pm |
  14. Artist

    HeavenSent

    jimtanker, did you wake up this morning? Do you have eyes to see? Then you saw His miracle of a sunrise. Do you have a heart? If so, does it work? Not only is that one of His miracles in itself, if your heart isn't harden then you will see and feel all His miracles in the course of sucking up oxygen for one day. Open your eyes and heart and you will view ALL His miracle.

    Amen.

    ----–

    Would hav ebeen easier to simply say, "Lie enough to yourself and it will eventually seem like a reality."

    April 27, 2011 at 1:58 pm |
  15. Mark

    Ask yourself, would pope john paul want all this expensive research and ceremony to glorify his earthly life, or would he rather see that money distributed to the poor and needy? I know what Jesus would have chosen (if he existed)

    April 27, 2011 at 12:29 pm |
    • gerald

      What are you talkin about. Read John 12 about the woman anointing Jesus wth oil. Your sounding a bit like Judas.

      April 27, 2011 at 2:51 pm |
    • Apple6

      You've met a biblical figure from a long time ago? Are you a vampire?

      May 8, 2011 at 4:13 pm |
  16. chief

    i hope you catholics realize that this is some bs you made up.... nothing in the bible supports all this crap.... also, nice hat

    April 27, 2011 at 10:03 am |
    • gerald

      Chief you don't even believe the Bible when it says children are a blessing. You want them contracepted out of existence. Don't talk about the Bible.

      April 27, 2011 at 1:54 pm |
    • Up Your Rear Admiral

      This one's for you, gerald
      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk&w=640&h=360]

      April 27, 2011 at 1:58 pm |
    • gerald

      I did like that. Thak's a-h-o-l-e 4 short.

      April 28, 2011 at 8:47 pm |
    • Raul

      You need to grow up as a human being. If you want to judge start by judging yourself.

      April 30, 2011 at 6:00 pm |
  17. 1GOD4all

    Adelina do not be disturbed but in response to atheists, Buck, Platypus, etc. BIBLE: Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth, Testing 1, 2, 3.........
    Esdras Ch. 15 v 1-9 "Proclaim to my people the prophetic messages that I will give you, and then have them written down, because theay are true and will be fulfilled. Do not be afraid of those who plot against you or be disturbed by their unbelief. All unbelievers will die because of their unbelief. The Lord says, "I am going to bring terrible disasters on the whole world-war, famine, death and destruction because wickedness has spread everywhere, and evil has reached its limit." "Therefore," the Lord says, "I will no longer tolerate it. They have murdered innocent people, and the blood they have spilled cries out to me for revenge; the souls of the righteous are constantly pleading for vengeancel Let there be no doubt," says the Lord, "I will hear the pela of all the innocent people who have been murdered and I will take vengeance for what has been done to them. "My people are being led to the slaughter like a flock of sheep." God have mercy on us all. Forgive them they do not know what they do!

    April 27, 2011 at 9:08 am |
    • Mark

      I translate that as "blindly preach what I tell you and ignore people who think with actual logic". The "us vs them" mentality is a very strong motivator.

      April 27, 2011 at 12:27 pm |
    • Eric G

      1RING2rulethemall.....
      It began with the forging of the Great Rings. Three were given to the Elves, immortal, wisest, and fairest of all beings. Seven to the Dwarf lords, great miners and craftsmen of the mountain halls. And nine, nine Rings were gifted to the race of Men, who above all else, desire power. For within these Rings was bound the strength and will to govern each race. But they were all of them deceived...

      April 27, 2011 at 2:54 pm |
  18. Jay

    Gerald.. but why does just the priest have this "power?" The Holy Spirit lives within each of us.. not just the clergy.

    April 27, 2011 at 7:37 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Jay, we just celebrated when Jesus became our Passover and lifted the veil for all to come in.

      Thank you for reminding everyone of this.

      Amen.

      April 27, 2011 at 7:41 am |
    • CatholicMom

      Jay,
      The Holy Spirit lives within us upon our Baptism through the Sacrament of Baptism. The Holy Spirit’s indwelling in our soul is a gift to us which we do nothing to deserve it and do not need to be a certain age to receive it; it is for all people. There are 3 kinds of Baptism…Baptism by the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and water; Baptism of Desire… and Baptism of Blood… http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02258b.htm#VII click on Catholic Encyclopedia then click on Subst!tutes for Baptism.

      Holy Orders is a Sacrament, also. Besides the power of jurisdiction, the Church has the power of teaching (magisterium) and the power of conferring grace (power of order). This power of order was committed by our Lord to His Apostles, who were to continue His work and to be His earthly representatives. The Apostles received their power from Christ: "as the Father hath sent me, I also send you" (John 20:21). Christ possessed fullness of power in virtue of His priesthood–of His office as Redeemer and Mediator. We read of the deacons, how the Apostles "praying, imposed hands upon them" (Acts 6:6). In 2 Timothy 1:6 St. Paul reminds Timothy that he was made a bishop by the imposition of St. Paul's hands (cf. 1 Timothy 4:4), and Timothy is exhorted to appoint presbyters by the same rite (1 Timothy 5:22; cf. Acts 13:3; 14:22).

      The principal effect of the sacrament is the character, a spiritual and indelible mark impressed upon the soul, by which the recipient is distinguished from others, designated as a minister of Christ, and deputed and empowered to perform certain offices of Divine worship. Sacrament of Order is the sacrament by which grace and spiritual power for the discharge of ecclesiastical offices are conferred and indicates what differentiates laity from clergy. Once we are Baptized, the laity, all Christians, become "a kingly priesthood" (1 Peter 2:9) ‘ For you were as sheep going astray: but you are now converted to the shepherd and bishop of your souls. 1 Peter 2:25.
      Not everyone is ordained to be a priest…Catholic Encyclopedia: Holy Orders

      April 27, 2011 at 4:52 pm |
    • Jay

      Catholic Mom – The sacraments you describe are created by the Church. The baptisms described in the Bible take place by those making the decision to become baptized. I don't believe the Holy Spirit arrives at an infant baptism. Not sure how you come up with three kinds of baptism from scripture. I grew up Catholic and never heard of "baptism by blood."

      No such thing as Holy Orders in Scripture.. Christ has jurisdiction over us.... not the church. I know the teaching.. I was raised in that type of bondage. Scripture is available to us all not just the clergy.. although growing up, and still today, you wont' find a Bible in a Catholic Church pew. Sadly, the Catholic Church has distorted the Scriptures over the year. Only God alone bestows grace on any of us. We are all Christ followers who receive grace. The apostles were the first to spread the word, but where does Scripture indicate that only they would receive grace? You make it sound like only priests are considered to be earthly representatives of Christ. All Christ followers are. This isn't an exclusive group. I don't see the word "bishop" in Timothy. It sure seems like it's talking about elders to me.

      Your last paragraph is just a summation of Catholic rhetoric, which has no foundation in the Bible. I agree that not everyone is ordained to become a priest. What I don't agree with is that a priest has a corner on grace or power. Sadly, this type of teaching prevents followers from believing that they too are saved by grace, and empowered by the Holy Spirit's indwelling.
      There are far too many Catholics starving for deep spirituality. Their faith is shallow at best, and rooted simply in what they've been told. For the most part, they do not know Scripture, as they've been told it's the priest who should interpret for them. Just a tragedy that the Church took this path over the centures. The whole idea of being born again is omitted from Catholic teaching (John 3:7).
      I have lived both as a Catholic and as a born again believer. I was raised in parochial schools and know what my former church taught. What I can tell you is that my decision to leave Catholicism was the best thing I could have done.

      April 27, 2011 at 5:38 pm |
    • Monte

      The priest nor the pope have any power what so ever.

      April 30, 2011 at 5:24 pm |
    • Raul

      Wrong, baptism is not created by the church. Read and educate yourself before trying to sound like an expert.

      April 30, 2011 at 5:57 pm |
  19. jimtanker

    "He played a key role in bringing down Communism"

    Thats a bunch of BS. How about their economy was a key role. That and the US pressurnig them to spend too much on their military.

    Seconly, lets see some "miracles". Havent seen any yet, only ones that I've read about are in some old book.

    April 27, 2011 at 2:57 am |
    • Finger Puppet

      Oh there's a "miracle" alright.
      Supposedly there is a French sister, (a nun), who may or may not have had a neurological disease, Parkinson's as I recall, and supposedly she prayed to him and was cured. Apparently the Roman Congregation which is in charge of "doing" Beatifications didn't get that the rest of the millions of other Parkinson sufferers who were not cured would be wondering why they were not invited to the part, and be ticked and scandalized by this assertion. They really need to get a good PR firm to sit in on some of their meetings. .

      April 27, 2011 at 5:35 am |
    • jimtanker

      Got that right FP. As we know, noone has EVER gone into spontaneous remission from Parkinsons. Gues it had to be goddidit.

      April 27, 2011 at 5:42 am |
    • HeavenSent

      jimtanker, did you wake up this morning? Do you have eyes to see? Then you saw His miracle of a sunrise. Do you have a heart? If so, does it work? Not only is that one of His miracles in itself, if your heart isn't harden then you will see and feel all His miracles in the course of sucking up oxygen for one day. Open your eyes and heart and you will view ALL His miracle.

      Amen.

      April 27, 2011 at 7:38 am |
    • Liz

      The morning light, which rains its quivering beams
      Wide o'er the plains, the summits, and the streams,
      In one broad blaze expands its golden glow
      On all that answers to its glance below.

      April 29, 2011 at 10:51 am |
    • Apple6

      You could add the ever expensive space program.

      May 8, 2011 at 4:10 pm |
  20. Adelina

    The Bible says everyone who genuinely believes in Jesus is a saint positionally. Hebrews chapter 12, II Peter chapter 2. The Catholic sainthood is good as long as people look at the lives of those "saints" and be encouraged to love and follow the Lord Jesus more. Once the attention shifts from Jesus to the saints themselves, such system becomes a woe.

    April 27, 2011 at 1:26 am |
    • Buckminster Fullerene

      Adelina, you are full of crap.
      Adelina, I think you are unmasked. Neither Hebrews 12, nor 2 Peter, chapter 2 says anything even remotely similar to anything about being "a saint positionally". What does "saint positionally mean ? It is the ranting of an imbecile. OMG you just make things up, and think people here are going to swallow your nonsense.

      "Self -imposed ape" ? Are you a primary non-English speaker ?. That does not make any sense, in the English language. Could you explain what "self-imposed" even means ?

      @Ed,
      "The church predates the bible". If you had taken even one course in Old or New Testament, or theology, or biblical archeology you would know that is completely false.

      Both you and Adelina seem to think you can just make anything up, post it here, and people will take it. Wrong. Some of us have actually been to school. Be careful. You look like a fool.

      Look at Reality's post below. It's full of elegant facts. The difference between his postings and the two of you is so vast it's funny. You both need to get a clue and go back to school.

      April 27, 2011 at 2:30 am |
    • Adelina

      @Buck-, Read Hebrews 12:22-24 and I Peter 2:9,10. II Peter chapter 2 is for atheists. If you didn't get it, you didn't read them.

      April 27, 2011 at 5:34 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Buckminster Fullerene, you can attend all the man made schools you want, only when you humble yourself and follow Jesus' truth makes one wise.

      P.S. All big egos, if not shelved can read all the words on the pages in the Bible, will still not have eyes to see, nor ears to hear His truth.

      Amen.

      April 27, 2011 at 7:35 am |
    • Ed

      @Buck, I was refering to the new testament which was complied in the third or fourth century. The gospels were written some where between 30-90 AD depending on the source you use. The old testament of course predates the christian church but not the jewish church. It was handed down by word of mouth for centuries before being written down. The catholic church first pope was Peter. He started his ministry right after Christ died before the gospels were completed. I should have been more clear in what I wrote, sorry.

      April 27, 2011 at 2:20 pm |
    • Monte

      A saint? This pope and other so called Christian religious leaders have been completely rejected by our creator and his son. They promote, lies, hatred, wars and disbelief. These religions are a snare and a racket, just God's stores fleecing the flocks.

      April 30, 2011 at 5:20 pm |
    • Monte

      I intended to write they are God stores just selling garbage to the gullible. Get out of them while you can.

      April 30, 2011 at 5:21 pm |
    • Apple6

      @Ed
      There is no such thing as the Jewish church. Judaism is a separate religion that worships one being and being only in synagogues or temples ( depending on what the people who run it call it, or where you live).

      May 8, 2011 at 4:08 pm |
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Advertisement
About this blog

The CNN Belief Blog covers the faith angles of the day's biggest stories, from breaking news to politics to entertainment, fostering a global conversation about the role of religion and belief in readers' lives. It's edited by CNN's Daniel Burke with contributions from Eric Marrapodi and CNN's worldwide news gathering team.