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As faith coalition for the poor grows, so does conservative opposition
From left, Tony Hall, Ritu Sharma, David Beckman and Jim Wallis at the announcement of their hunger strike.
April 28th, 2011
09:09 AM ET

As faith coalition for the poor grows, so does conservative opposition

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Washington (CNN) - A coalition of Christian groups opposing budget cuts for the poor is growing - and so is the conservative media’s backlash against the group.

It began a few weeks ago when a group of Christians took out a full-page advertisement in Politico asking, “What would Jesus cut” as it relates to the federal budget.

The movement grew to include a hunger strike during Lent spearheaded by Jim Wallis of Sojourners, David Beckmann of Bread for the World, Women Thrive Worldwide co-founder Ritu Sharma and former congressman Tony Hall.

Eventually 28 congressional Democrats joined the religious leaders’ hunger strike.

On Wednesday, the religious leaders renewed their efforts. A broad range of Catholic, Protestant and evangelical leaders called on members of Congress to spare programs that help the poor both at home and abroad.

“It’s time for political leaders on both sides of the aisle to draw a line in the sand and establish a fundamental principle in this budget debate that essential and proven programs that save the lives of the poorest at home and abroad should be protected in our budget and deficit choices,” Wallis said on a conference call with reporters.

“Lawmakers need to understand what a circle of protection means," Wallis said. "It means if you come after the poor, you will have to come and go through us first."

The group forming the circle of protection now includes the National Association of Evangelicals and the National Council of Churches, as well as Catholic, African American and Latino church leaders.

“We are engaging our own constituents on this issue and encouraging them to engage their legislators,” said Galen Carey, director of government affairs for the National Association of Evangelicals.

“We are all calling on all of our members to pray, because we believe this is a spiritual battle as well as a political issue, and so we pray that our leaders will have courage because they need a tremendous amount of courage to deal with these issues in an honorable way.”

But as the group has grown more diverse to include members from the Christian right and the Christian left, the movement has become a punching bag for some conservative media outlets.

Rush Limbaugh picked up on the debate on his radio broadcast on Monday. He highlighted ABC’s Sunday public affairs program "This Week," hosted by Christiane Amanpour.

She began a discussion with influential American pastors asking, “What would Jesus do” in terms of the budget.

Limbaugh said, "A favorite tactic of the left, you know, when it suits them they'll talk about Jesus Christ. When they can convince or try to convince everybody Jesus Christ was the patron saint of liberalism, then they will herald Jesus Christ."

Roger Pilon, a libertarian from the Cato Institute and former Reagan administration official, wrote an op-ed last week in The Wall Street Journal criticizing the spirit of the religious leaders' defense of government programs to assist the poor.

“The Good Samaritan is virtuous not because he helps the fallen through the force of law but because he does so voluntarily,” he wrote.

“I agree with them that the budget is a moral document,” Pilon told CNN. “The objection I have is with their conception of the federal budget as reflecting the kind of principles a family would have in determining a family budget.”

Pilon said Americans are extraordinarily generous and that if federal taxes were lower, charitable giving would rise. At issue, he said, is a basic principle.

“The religious organizations that are non-political or are on the right think of beneficence as a private virtue. The religious organizations that come from the left promote charity or beneficence through government and therefore do not draw the distinction between private and public charity.”

On Saturday on the "Journal Editorial Report" on Fox News, Wall Street Journal columnist Bill McGurn said, “I think the political motivation is - one of it is to rig this debate, so you present the budget cuts as heartless and you don't have to debate whether they're effective. We want to debate whether they're effective, what the programs are accomplishing.”

Wallis and others countered that since the beginning of their campaign they have said social programs should be fixed or changed if they are underperforming.

“We have to remember that budgets are not just about sacristy, they’re about choices - moral choices,” Wallis.

Members of Congress are due back in Washington on Monday after two weeks off, and the budget and debt ceiling debates are expected to continue.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Belief • Catholic Church • Christianity • Church • Church and state • DC • Politics • United States

soundoff (93 Responses)
  1. PRISM 1234

    Unless American Christians stop supporting the GOP, and that whole bu'nch of split-tongued Pharisees, they will NEVER have no true vision of Jesus Christ... To ali'gn itself with those hypocrites, it was the down'fall and de'mise of American Church in the first place.... It's time to get out of that shameful, ungodly alli'ance, and stop supporting them. They are the enemies of the people of this country, and anyone who joins them will ultimately take on their ste'nch, and become like them.
    And to make it clear, this here is not coming from a Liberal, but I believe that they, the corrupt Republicans, have greater sin, just like the Pharisees of Jesus' time, who were worse off then unbelievers of His time....
    No Christian should ali'gn himself with neither of the corrupt parties we have, because they are ro'tten to the core, and worthless....
    As for the budget cuts, and tri'mming the "enti'tlements".... If people were given a fair chance to make something out of their lives, if the hard earned money for which they worked, did not end up in the cla'ws of the vultures who lay in wait to grab everything ordinary person works for and earns, then it may be no need for any "enti'tlements"........Sure there are always those who want to take a free ride, but with some dili'gence they can be weeded out...
    But to say that when someone is poor, it's their own fault... People, better watch out!... God has a lot to say to those who opp'ress and lay heavy burdens on those who are already down, and who add ins'ults to their injuries by blaming them, instead of blaming the ones who are the true per'petr'ators...That is something that God has even more to say about, and you need to look into it!
    This country, with it's corrupt, greed infe'sted ult'ra-capitalist system, is a bree'ding ground for all types of injustice, through corruption , and by failing to pass the laws to prevent it... Those who don't see it, and think otherwise, they are deceiving themselves, and is only the matter of time they themselves will find out for themselves! Because, how much ever they provided for themselves, and built their nest egg to be secure, no one is imm'une in this corrupt system! It's just the mater of time till the vultures come circ'ling over their door also!
    So, to see Christians uniting for the right cause as decribed in this article, is a bright ray of hope for American church, and if for the Church, then for the nation...

    April 30, 2011 at 2:10 pm |
  2. KeninTexas

    Limbaugh said "A favorite tactic of the left, you know, when it suits them they'll talk about Jesus Christ". ,,,, I think most of what this guy says if a load of crap. But I have to agree with him on this statement. The liberal left will just about spit on the thought of Jesus and will take you to court to stop anyone else from saying anything good about Him. Except of course when it suits their own purposes. What hypocrites!

    April 29, 2011 at 7:55 pm |
  3. Reality

    There never was and never will be physical resurrections i.e. no Easter, no Christianity, no sainthood for JPII and an end to the ranting of HeavenSent (and his clones) and his fellow red-neck Christians. Priceless!!!!

    April 29, 2011 at 6:24 pm |
    • Steve (the real one)

      of course you have proof, right?

      April 30, 2011 at 1:26 pm |
  4. DaLe

    "Start by reading a bible.",

    From what i did read this life, somewhere in it Jesus orders something about enemies being slain in front of Jesus, or something such as that (Luke 19, 27). Does that I mean I should slay any infidel in front of a depiction of Jesus? (what other enemies than infidels would Jesus have anyways?) Or does the "before" refer to time rather than place? And does "slay" mean "to kill"? If so, does Jesus' command stand above the ten commandments? In another instance, Jesus ordered to 'steal', so the answer to the last question seems to be yes, albeit not sure what the legal difference between then's and today's 'steal' is in that perhaps back then animals weren't personal property.

    April 29, 2011 at 5:33 pm |
    • DaLe

      HeavenSent? If you don't know any answer to the questions posted, please state so. If anyone else knows any answer to the questions posted, please state so. Or are the questions perhaps posted on a wrong premise? It would be at least interesting to know. In the past my thoughts about suicide were that if than it is better to do so without harm, or need for much clean-up, to others. Then again, if slaying the protesters against Jesus' reign is what Jesus wants, wouldn't it make more sense to commit suicide in 'grande style'? And what does "Jesus' reign" mean anyways? Does it refer to "living right with Jesus" as you named it, or should it be understood in terms of worldly government, or should it be understood as reign over everything and anything?

      April 30, 2011 at 2:03 pm |
    • DaLe

      *that if then it is better

      April 30, 2011 at 2:07 pm |
    • DaLe

      Or does "Jesus' reign" in the instance of Luke 19:27 refer to rule of law generally? If so, does that mean that Jesus is for capital punishment (a.k.a. execution) of any criminal? Meaning that Jesus was sentenced and executed at the same standards, or that he became victim to relatives of executed criminals?

      May 1, 2011 at 6:24 am |
  5. HeavenSent

    Well Dale they need to do more Jesus Safety Dances to protect them.

    April 29, 2011 at 4:21 pm |
  6. HeavenSent

    Poor people are poor for a reason. Decisions they made and not living right with Jesus. You want to help a poor person, hand them a bible. Jesus will provide.
    Amen.

    April 29, 2011 at 3:48 pm |
    • DaLe

      How does that living right with Jesus you mentioned work?

      April 29, 2011 at 4:10 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      DaLe

      How does that living right with Jesus you mentioned work?
      o
      Start by reading a bible.
      Amen

      April 29, 2011 at 4:13 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Next follow its laws and once a day stnd up and throw your hand in the air and do the Jesus Safety Dance in a circle while yelling, "Praise Jesus!" If you know someone who is sick, smack them in the head with your bible (I mean smack the crap out of them) and yell, "In the name of Jesus you are healed." Then repeat the Jesus Safety Dance with hand in air.

      April 29, 2011 at 4:17 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      ps some people really need to be smacked around and kicked to get the Demons out of their lives.

      April 29, 2011 at 4:18 pm |
    • DaLe

      Besides that, eg. in the US are surely plenty of persons who got into debt due to eg. medical expenses. The way a lot of stuff is being advertised is rather nasty too. There are scams around, as well as baseless trust, naivety and short-sightedness.

      April 29, 2011 at 4:19 pm |
  7. Reality

    Billy Graham and his son are paid a total of $1.2 million a year. Considering the mansions they live in and cars they drive, very little is given to charity.

    April 29, 2011 at 3:24 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Jesusfreaker

      HeavenSent,

      If you are the real one, that's a really distasteful statement for a Christian to make. So if someone dies of cancer you would tell the family that he/she wasn't faithful enough? That's a really nice religion you've got there.
      o
      I would tell them that it is a high possibility. Perhaps they are not living right? You got to take a look at your walk with Jesus and is this happening because I am not right with Jesus?
      Amen.

      April 29, 2011 at 3:45 pm |
  8. Adelina

    Christian leaders are the greatest inspiration to help the poor and needy all around the world. American Christians such as Dr. Billy Graham are the most sacrificial, intelligent and generous individuals. Christians not only give away wealth but also the very life itself just like the Lord Jesus did.

    April 29, 2011 at 11:30 am |
  9. Reality

    Follow the money trail when it comes to likes of Jim Wallis, Billy Graham, Glenn Beck, Franklin Graham, Eboo Patel et al.

    e.g. –

    "In July 2010, Marvin Olasky, editor-in-chief of WORLD magazine, wrote that Sojourners accepted money from George Soros, who has financed groups supporting abortion and atheism.[6] Jim Wallis responded as follows: "It's not hyperbole or overstatement to say that Glenn Beck lies for a living. I'm sad to see Marvin Olasky doing the same thing. No, we don't receive money from Soros." Wallis later admitted that Sojourners had, in fact, accepted funds from Soros' Open Society Inst-itute. Wallis stated that the funds made up "the tiniest fraction of Sojourner's funding during that decade–so small that I hadn't remembered them."[6] The grants from the Open Society Insti-tute totaled $275,000 from 2004 to 2007.[7] Wallis apologized to Olasky for his comments about him. Jay Richards wrote that Sojourners had received $2.2 million from various foundation grants from 2003 to 2009, including the Tides Foundation, the Ford Foundation, the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, the Wallace Global Fund, and the Streisand Foundation."

    Maybe the Sojourners aka Jim Wallis will sponsor AIDs research with some of their funding? No donations to AIDs support listed on their IRS Form 990. But what do we find on the Sojourners aka Jim Wallis' IRS Form 990 (guidestar.org)?

    Jim Wallis is paid $351,140/yr which includes benefits and speaking honoraria for doing things like giving BO grief about AIDs funding. They/he also have/has ~$1 million invested in the stock and bond market. (A million dollars for AIDS support in Africa would be great.) Again Mr. Wallis/Sojourners pays no taxes on the dividends, interest or capital gains on these investments.

    April 29, 2011 at 8:30 am |
  10. Jeremy

    @HeavenSent

    Nobody is forced into heaven. Deut 30:15-18, Josh 24:18, John 6:37

    April 29, 2011 at 1:31 am |
  11. Colin

    So many Christians, so few lions...

    April 28, 2011 at 5:31 pm |
    • Ed

      you could use bears they'll eat anything

      April 28, 2011 at 7:17 pm |
  12. BuckHolliday

    Spend, as I have, some time reading Deuteronomy. There God clearly spells out the situation: If you will obey the covenant we have agreed to, including many specific forms of care for the poor, you will be allowed to prosper in this land. If you do not obey the covenant, including care for the poor, I will take away the land and the prosperity. Nowhere in the book will you find the word "voluntary." How Pilon or anyone thinks this is voluntary, is beyond imagining. Of course care for the poor must be effective. Waste, dependence and laziness are forbidden. But nowhere does it say the nation can shirk its responsibility.

    April 28, 2011 at 4:47 pm |
  13. SeanNJ

    "Pilon said Americans are extraordinarily generous and that if federal taxes were lower, charitable giving would rise."

    I don't think it would be appreciably greater. I'll equate this argument with the one that says, "We need to keep the tax breaks for the rich so that they'll hire people" or, "we need to give taxpayer money to the banks so that they'll start lending again." Both have worked marvelously to date.

    April 28, 2011 at 1:20 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Oh, right. That's why every small business that relied on banks giving their customers loans, went belly up.

      Amen.

      April 28, 2011 at 1:47 pm |
    • SeanNJ

      @HeavenSent: I can't tell if you're trying to agree with me and feeling pained over it, or disagreeing with me by saying the same thing I did because you misunderstood what I wrote.

      April 28, 2011 at 1:52 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Sean, I am in agreement with you.

      Amen.

      April 28, 2011 at 2:28 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      In addition I urge poor people to rely more on faith than man. Perhaps they would not be where they are at if they had been more faithful.
      Amen.

      April 28, 2011 at 4:47 pm |
    • Jesusfreaker

      HeavenSent,

      If you are the real one, that's a really distasteful statement for a Christian to make. So if someone dies of cancer you would tell the family that he/she wasn't faithful enough? That's a really nice religion you've got there.

      April 28, 2011 at 11:25 pm |
  14. Rev. Rick

    @Steve – carefully re-read my post, and stop jumping to convulsions. I did NOT suggest that Jesus actually enter politics. I was simply making an observation on how the Christian conservatives depend on their collective political clout to defend their position, and are indignant when competing religious groups attempt to do the same thing. Mixing religion and politics is NOT okay – that is, unless it's THEIR religion.

    April 28, 2011 at 12:58 pm |
    • Steve (the real one)

      My jump was in response to your jump. I never said you said Jesus was involved in politics. You did say Christian would not vote for Him if He ran as a Democrat! What then are your implying?

      You said: I was simply making an observation on how the Christian conservatives depend on their collective political clout to defend their position, and are indignant when competing religious groups attempt to do the same thing. Mixing religion and politics is NOT okay – that is, unless it's THEIR religion.

      I say: If you believe that only applies to conservative Christians, you fail to understand politics. Liberal Christians do the same thing as well as liberal atheists! It is politics!

      April 28, 2011 at 2:41 pm |
    • Rev. Rick

      @Steve – Why are you yelling (!) every point? Calm down man. I can hear you just fine. And I didn't make a 'jump', you did. I was in the conservative Christian camp for almost 20 years, so I know how it works. Yes, atheists do it, and liberal Christians do it, but as a former conservative Christian, we organized PACs for this stuff, and still do.

      April 29, 2011 at 3:36 pm |
    • Steve (the real one)

      Rev. Rick

      @Steve – Why are you yelling (!) every point? Calm down man. I can hear you just fine. And I didn't make a 'jump', you did. I was in the conservative Christian camp for almost 20 years, so I know how it works. Yes, atheists do it, and liberal Christians do it, but as a former conservative Christian, we organized PACs for this stuff, and still do.
      ----–
      Sorry. I admit this (!!!) is a bad writing habit. I'm working on it. No yelling intended. BTW is this (!!) yelling? I thought it was CAPS. Anyway, I still contend you jumped when you stated CCs would not vote for Jesus ....if He ran as a democrat. I understand about the PACS. Everybody has one. Mind if I ask why you are a "former" CC? I believe I stated BOTH parties are big disappointments.

      April 29, 2011 at 4:27 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Steve (the real one) try doing the Jesus Safety Dance, it iwll help calm you down.
      Amen.

      April 29, 2011 at 4:28 pm |
    • Steve (the real one)

      HeavenSent
      Steve (the real one) try doing the Jesus Safety Dance, it iwll help calm you down.
      Amen.
      -----
      I appreciate the tip, FAKE HS!

      April 29, 2011 at 4:31 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Steve (the real one)

      HeavenSent
      Steve (the real one) try doing the Jesus Safety Dance, it iwll help calm you down.
      Amen.
      -–
      I appreciate the tip, FAKE HS!
      "
      HOW DARE YOU!!!! you are now going to hell.
      Amen.

      April 29, 2011 at 4:47 pm |
    • Rev. Rick

      @Steve – I don't mind explaining why I left conservative Christianity, but when I do so on this kind of forum I will be attracting trolls and flamers for days. Suffice it to say I come from a family of Baptist ministers (3), several church deacons, Christian musicians, and sunday school teachers (including myself). Then, one day, due to my sheer distain for "Christians" like Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, George W Bush, and Ralp Reed (formerly of the Christian Coalition) I walked away.

      I an now an ordained minister in a branch of New Thought theology. While New Thought has its roots in Christianity, most "Christians" would not welcome me into their congregation since I also honor other spiritual paths such as Hinduism, and Buddhism, just to name a couple. If you Google "New Thought" you'll find several websites that explain our beliefs, including one conservative Christian site that has labeled New Thought a "cult" (surprise, surprise).

      I'll leave it at that, and you can follow-up on research if you wish.

      May 2, 2011 at 12:58 pm |
    • Steve (the real one)

      Rev. Rick

      @Steve – I don't mind explaining why I left conservative Christianity, but when I do so on this kind of forum I will be attracting trolls and flamers for days. Suffice it to say I come from a family of Baptist ministers (3), several church deacons, Christian musicians, and sunday school teachers (including myself). Then, one day, due to my sheer distain for "Christians" like Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, George W Bush, and Ralp Reed (formerly of the Christian Coalition) I walked away.
      ------
      Thanks for sharing and sorry about your experiences! I was not trying to expose you to trolls! Thanks for the reply! I will reasearch! Thanks again!

      May 2, 2011 at 1:18 pm |
  15. Rev. Rick

    It's really funny. Conservative Christians wouldn't vote for Jesus Christ Himself... if he ran on the Democratic ticket...that's how blind they are from believing their own rhetoric.

    April 28, 2011 at 12:36 pm |
    • Steve (the real one)

      What is funny is you think Jesus would enter politics in the first place! The Jews were disappointed when they found out He would not overthrow the Romans. He was not/I not political. In fact, I believe He would be disappointed in BOTH parties!

      April 28, 2011 at 12:44 pm |
    • Ed

      I'm disappointed in both parties

      April 28, 2011 at 1:03 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Amen to that Ed.

      April 28, 2011 at 1:44 pm |
    • Steve (the real one)

      Ed
      I'm disappointed in both parties
      -----
      Same here!

      April 28, 2011 at 2:19 pm |
    • Up Your Rear Admiral

      I'm disappointed in Ed. He said "git" first.

      April 28, 2011 at 10:36 pm |
  16. ADFountain

    If voluntary giving to the poor had worked, there wouldn't have been a need for government intervention.

    April 28, 2011 at 11:08 am |
    • Steve (the real one)

      Voluntary giving works, if there are enough volunteers! Government intervention (while well intended) produced much fraud, waste, and generations of those who feel "enti-tled". Helping is not the problem but it lead to dependence! That is the problem!

      April 28, 2011 at 11:17 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Steve, I'm glad one of our posts is making it through.

      You hit the nail on the head. Now, all we need is the hammer to come down.

      Amen.

      April 28, 2011 at 1:41 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      ADFountain, that is not why the government took over. They took over dispensing the funds because they could reach a wider audience than the church at the time. Global versus regional.

      Amen.

      April 28, 2011 at 2:40 pm |
  17. Steve (the real one)

    What would Jesus cut is a ridiculous question. A better question woud be what DID Jesus cut? The answer is since he was not involved in politics, NOTHING! Does he care for the poor, absolutely. Does he expect His followers to care for the poor, absolutely. These folks (while I believe they mean well) are off a bit. People (belivers and non-believers alke) give because THEY choose too. It is not forced upon anyone to give. We give because we care and we choose to! Everybody has their sacred cows! Something is going to have to be cut across the board! Money in EVERY program is wasted due to fraud and plain silliness! And yes that would include 'enti-tlement" programs. That seems to be the major problem, the att-itude of being enti-tled!

    I forgot the trigger words!

    April 28, 2011 at 11:04 am |
    • Eric G

      Cut defense spending first.

      April 28, 2011 at 12:34 pm |
    • Steve (the real one)

      Eric G
      Cut defense spending first.
      -----–
      I am certainly not opposed to reasonable cuts in all areas! Plenty of fraud, waste, and abuse in the DOD as well!

      April 28, 2011 at 12:38 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      HEY CNN Mod squadders. Even though you refuse to post my response, you can relay the message.

      Amen.

      April 28, 2011 at 1:37 pm |
    • Paranoia Puncture

      Dear CNN "Mod Squad",

      Please be MORE vigilant regarding HeavenSent's posts - way too many of them are getting through! 🙂

      April 28, 2011 at 1:46 pm |
    • Artist

      Delusions. In paranoid schizophrenia, a common delusion is that you're being singled out for harm. For instance, you may believe that an enti ty is monitoring every move you make.
      .
      Also you hear or think god talks to you?

      April 28, 2011 at 1:47 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Artist yes I hear gods voice and he does talk to me.
      Amen..

      April 28, 2011 at 1:50 pm |
    • Paranoia Puncture

      p.s. Here is how to do it, Mod Squad:

      1. Sneak into HS's house and plant a camera to look over her shoulder as she types (or hack into her computer and watch that way).
      2. Hire several people to monitor every keystroke.
      3. Hover diabolically as she clicks, "Post".
      4. Block 'dem things pronto.

      April 28, 2011 at 1:52 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Paranoia Puncture

      p.s. Here is how to do it, Mod Squad:

      1. Sneak into HS's house and plant a camera to look over her shoulder as she types (or hack into her computer and watch that way).
      2. Hire several people to monitor every keystroke.
      3. Hover diabolically as she clicks, "Post".
      4. Block 'dem things pronto.

      You are truly clueless, I have Jesus's protection. I am sure they have tried.
      Amen.

      April 28, 2011 at 1:57 pm |
    • .

      @HeavenSent,
      Really, what's He sound like? James Earl Jones? Clint Eastwood? I know Joe Pesci, right? (hat tip to George) Or maybe Pee Wee Herman?

      April 28, 2011 at 1:58 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Since you asked. His voice is soothing and all knowing. Something you know nothing about dead bones headed for the flames.
      Amen.

      April 28, 2011 at 2:01 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      To the phony heavensent. You need to get back on your meds.

      Amen.

      April 28, 2011 at 2:26 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Artist, did you ever think (LOL) that my responses that are not posted are too truthful to be read?

      Amen.

      April 28, 2011 at 2:35 pm |
    • Paranoia Puncture

      HeavenSent,
      "Artist, did you ever think (LOL) that my responses that are not posted are too truthful to be read?"

      Those Mod Squadders are really phenoms, I guess. They can read, comprehend, digest and decide the truthfulness of your posts in the nonce that it takes to enter the system! Wow!

      April 28, 2011 at 2:41 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Paranoia yes I believe CNN is watching what I post. They are afraid of the truth.
      Amen.

      April 28, 2011 at 2:44 pm |
  18. Ron

    This is rather pathetic. How many conservatives claim to be Christian yet apparently have no issues when cutting funds to the poor. Then again, conservatives have made Jesus a Republican. The question still remains, who would Jesus starve?

    April 28, 2011 at 10:20 am |
    • Ed

      Fair point it seems a contradiction that the democrats are working with the religious and the Republicans and taking the opposite side. I agree the budget needs to be cut and its time for so tough decisions but prehaps cut congresses pay, and tax breaks to richest peopls can dfinately go away. We should at least do this as well as cut social programs if not instead of. Its wrong to take from the poor while giving to the rich.

      April 28, 2011 at 10:41 am |
    • Buckminster Fullerene

      @Ed,
      Eddy, recess is over. Open your desk, and take out your pencil.
      Fair point (PERIOD) (Capital I)it seems a contradiction that the (capital D)democrats are working with the religious and the Republicans and taking the opposite side. I agree the budget needs to be cut and its time for (HUH ? "SO tough" makes no sense), so tough decisions but prehaps cut (CONGRESS'S)congresses pay, and tax breaks to (THE) richest peopls can (dEfinatly) dfinately go away. We should at least do this (COMMA) as well as cut social programs (COMMA) ("if not instead of" is nonsensical and one does not end a sentence with a preposition) if not instead of. Its wrong to take from the poor while giving to the rich.
      Put down your pencil now.
      Your teacher is going home with a headache, so free to use all the bad English you like for the rest of the day.
      If this continues, you will be sent to the principal.

      April 28, 2011 at 11:29 am |
    • Ron

      Ed,
      I completely agree. However, I won't hold my breath on the pay cuts of Congress being approved, they're too important, in their minds. The tax cuts, for the wealthy, given during the Bush Administration needs to end. It seems that the 99% are paying, in many ways, while the 1% are experiencing wonderful returns and benefits. We the people have become we the slaves.
      I'm not surprised that the Republicans are taking the position against the poor. For them, as well as for many Democrats, the psycho babble of religion tends to convince the religious conservatives, that support their beliefs.

      April 28, 2011 at 11:35 am |
    • Ron

      that support their beliefs.

      My mistake. It should read, that THEY support their beliefs.

      April 28, 2011 at 11:37 am |
    • Ed

      Look Buck, I tried to be nice about it, I tried to be mean about. I am not interested in spending any more time on you or your friend the admiral. I am trying to have a exchange of ideas with people not just trade dumb remarks with trolls. I get it my spelling and gammar aren't up to your standards sorry. Please stop trolling the blogs just to correct my mistakes. If you want to have a conversation fine, but this is just a waste of my time. If this is all you are going to do then leave me be your are a waste of my time.

      April 28, 2011 at 11:38 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Ron, learn your heritage. It was the Christians within the churches that first assisted the needy. Years later, the government took over this task of regulating the assisting of the needy.

      P.S. Your generation is so full of themselves with not knowing your history. History doesn't mean the 20 years prior to your birth.

      Amen.

      April 28, 2011 at 1:25 pm |
    • Ron

      Heaven sent,
      You said, "learn your heritage. It was the Christians within the churches that first assisted the needy. Years later, the government took over this task of regulating the assisting of the needy."
      They may have assist at first and regarding which, I have no problem or complaint about it.

      However you then said, "P.S. Your generation is so full of themselves with not knowing your history. History doesn't mean the 20 years prior to your birth."
      I would have to respond and say I am aware of history and know it fairly well. However, this statement is highly presumptuous as you do not know me. This is why I'm always saying how conservative Christians are always making judgement calls, especially when they have no clue. You're making assumptions and proving a point.

      April 28, 2011 at 1:55 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Go to hell Ron, correction you are going to hell
      Amen.

      April 28, 2011 at 1:59 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Ron, since you responded. I now know something about you. My apology to you.

      To the phony heavensent. You have issues you need to deal with. You own your bad behavior.

      Amen.

      April 28, 2011 at 2:23 pm |
    • Ron

      Heaven Sent...the real one.
      If I offended you, forgive me as that was not my intent. I was rather annoyed to be honest.
      Thank you for clarifying this.
      Respectfully.

      April 28, 2011 at 10:25 pm |
    • D!ckHead

      Ey bucky..I wonder how you could open a "desk". Does your "desk" has cover? I just wish you meant "desk" not d!cks. I can't imagine what open d!cks look like. LOL!

      May 1, 2011 at 6:47 am |
    • Ed's Principal

      @Mr. Fullerene

      I'm currently in the ladies room. Should you need to send Ed, please send him to (the principal's office) my office.

      May 1, 2011 at 6:54 am |
    • Better Error Detector (BED)

      Buckminster Fullerene

      I'm pretty amazed how you detected "congresses" but badly missed-out "its". Likewise, spell-checked "dfinately" but not "peopls"

      You should have done your homework before going to BED

      May 1, 2011 at 7:13 am |
  19. Jeremy

    I don't think Limbaugh is a believer (and I don't know about Pilon) but the statements were exactly right. We are to pay taxes to the government when they tell us to (Matt 22:21) but if they give us a say, we have the full right to stand against them. God is not a God of forced, imposing love. Forced love is a contradiction of terms. Therefore, as those called to show this love, it must be done freely. And if everyone were to give as they should, many problems would be solved.

    April 28, 2011 at 10:00 am |
    • jimtanker

      Guess you havent read the first commandment lately.

      April 28, 2011 at 10:25 am |
    • Nonimus

      "God is not a God of forced, imposing love. Forced love is a contradiction of terms."

      So, 'Love me or burn in hell for eternity' is not coercion and therefore forced love?

      April 28, 2011 at 1:38 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Jeremy

      I gotta' say, I'm with -Nonimus on this. I'm curious as to how you answer.

      Respectfully,

      Peace...

      April 28, 2011 at 2:40 pm |
    • jmb2fly

      The choice to reject God is ours. Our destination is the consequence of our actions. Without God loving us enough to send Jesus to take our punishment onto himself then we are without hope. God is the source of life. To reject God results in separation of ourselves from life. The choice is ours to make. All that is required is to believe in Jesus as our savior.

      April 30, 2011 at 3:21 pm |
    • myklds

      @Nonimus..could you cite a single verse in the bible that saith, 'Love me or burn in hell for eternity'?

      @Peace..I would "respectfully" ask if you could help Noni to find one.

      May 1, 2011 at 6:17 am |
  20. The WSJ is wrong

    I gladly pay my taxes voluntarily because that's how I help the poor.

    April 28, 2011 at 9:26 am |
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