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Ahmadinejad fights rare public battle with Iran's supreme leader
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is among onlookers at a religious ceremony attended by Ali Khamenei, center, in Tehran on Saturday.
May 10th, 2011
08:55 AM ET

Ahmadinejad fights rare public battle with Iran's supreme leader

By Ivan Watson and Yesim Comert, CNN

Istanbul, Turkey (CNN) - Dignitaries, a red carpet and a child with a bouquet of flowers greeted Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad when he landed at Istanbul airport in Turkey on Monday. It was perhaps the warmest welcome he has received in weeks.

Ahmadinejad's trip to attend a United Nations summit of the world's poorest countries is his first overseas journey since a public spat erupted between himself and Iran's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Top officials and media outlets close to Khamenei have mounted a campaign of criticism targeting Ahmadinejad, while several of his top aides have reportedly been arrested.

The reported arrest of presidential palace prayer leader Abbas Amirifar on charges of "sorcery" is perhaps the best sign of how serious the political feud in Tehran has gotten.

Amirifar produced a controversial film predicting the imminent return of the Shiite saint Mehdi, a messianic prediction that Ahmadinejad often refers to in his speeches.

Read the full story here.

- CNN Belief Blog

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  1. Lara549

    Hallo zusammen! bin auf diesemungewöhnlichen Weg auf der Suche nachein bisschen Abwechslung. Frei nach dem Motto Alles kann, nichts muss! Vielleicht wird was Intensives draus, vielleicht auch nicht – lass es uns einfach mal in Angriff nehmen. Diesen Sommer möchte ich wirklich in vollen Zügen genießen. Ich bin übrigens 26 und eher die Sportliche Mit den Richtlinien im Internet kenne ich mich nicht so aus und mir nichtmal sicher, ob ich hier überhaupt so etwas schreiben darf... deswegen hab ich hier einfach eine Annonce gepostet, dort kann man mir auch direkt nicht öffentlich via Mail antworten: http://www.bravopost.net
    Es ist natürlich völlig umsonst, mich dort zu erreichen Abends ab 18 Uhr erreichst Du mich dort fast immer. Bin ehrlich gesagt, auch schon ziemlich lange solo und will etwas erleben.
    Freue mich auf Zuschriften!

    lg
    Lara

    July 10, 2011 at 7:36 am |
  2. Muneef

    God the Creator is One and the Only One but men of Faiths & Doctrines have each made their God the way they want it to be and they want to believe even if was against logic they will manufacture a logic for it to suit it....just as does the scientists do to beautify a concept that they are not firm with yet... 

    May 12, 2011 at 8:46 am |
  3. Muneef

    Islam no Killer...Islam is not the Work of the devil or evil.

    Islam will not die by the death of any body, Islam did not die by the death of Muhammed (S.A.W)...(Submission) will Domin Earth by time to come.... Islam starts with (Taking refuge of God from the work of devil & evil);

    [7:196] "GOD is my only Lord and Master; the One who revealed this scripture. He protects the righteous.

    [7:197] "As for the idols you set up beside Him, they cannot help you, nor can they help themselves."

    [7:198] When you invite them to the guidance, they do not hear. And you see them looking at you, but they do not see.

    [7:199] You shall resort to pardon, advocate tolerance, and disregard the ignorant.

    [7:200] When the devil whispers to you any whisper, seek refuge in GOD; He is Hearer, Omniscient.

    [7:201] Those who are righteous, whenever the devil approaches them with an idea, they remember, whereupon they become seers.

    [7:202] Their brethren ceaselessly entice them to go astray.

    [7:203] If you do not produce a miracle that they demand, they say, "Why not ask for it?" Say, "I simply follow what is revealed to me from my Lord." These are enlightenments from your Lord, and guidance, and mercy for people who believe.

    [7:204] When the Quran is recited, you shall listen to it and take heed, that you may attain mercy.

    [7:205] You shall remember your Lord within yourself, publicly, privately, and quietly, day and night; do not be unaware.

    [7:206] Those at your Lord are never too proud to worship Him; they glorify Him and fall prostrate before Him.

    May 12, 2011 at 8:31 am |
  4. Logic

    @Henry I never said that Gabriel existed. But I never claimed that he didn't.

    May 11, 2011 at 1:10 pm |
    • Reality

      Then there are santa clauses, easter bunnies, elfs, satans, jinn, tinkerbells and fai-ries. Are they still with us? When did they appear, when will they leave, will they ever leave, where will they go if they do?

      May 11, 2011 at 3:31 pm |
    • Muneef

      Logic.

      Logically do you believe in the Unseen....? Do you believe that there are unseen unfelt creations that could be of different time dimensions ? Do you believe in UFO's although not seen? Do you believe that since we are mankind or apes were created from the element of Water, that then there are possibilities other creations were created from the other Elments that we know or do not know, see or not see ...?
      Do we here on the blog have that logic to think deep whether we are Religious or Non Religious? After all we all believe that Life only had become to be created taking course of evolution from the date of the Big Bang took place, out of this huge universe we are and creatures of the physical earth are from water (Water &earth Animal)....? Can you prove that there are no other creations on Earth,In Universe other than this (Water&Earth) Creature and there are no other that are seen or not seen??! Let us just chose elements that were mentioned in the Quran about creations in Universe;
      -Angels are from Light&Spirit.
      -Jinns are from Fire&Gases.
      -Humans are from Water&Earth.
      All they unbelievers do is disbelieve but can not explain the phenomenons that are found and attribute it to mind while both Mind and the Existance of such creations can play one role..to make of any one look as a metal case to other normal ones.!?

      May 11, 2011 at 5:06 pm |
    • Muneef

      Logic.
      Adding to that;
      just to add to that the only time where the vail that cover our eyes from seeing is unveiled upon the death of the physical body....!
      How many were physically declared dead but suddenly returned with so many things to tell seeing and some even returned with certain powers or capabilities that they had not before...!!?
      Can they explain such phenomenas that they reject to acknowledge as spiritual powers...ending up to X files..
           
      50:22] You used to be oblivious to this. We now remove your veil; today, your vision is (as strong as) steel.

      May 11, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  5. Adelina

    Muslims should read the Bible. Sorcery is prohibited along with magic practices. Mankind's hunger for power and control has been the ideal hub for demonic works.

    May 10, 2011 at 10:13 pm |
    • Muneef

      Adelina.

      Even in Islam in the Quran all sorcery and magic practices are not allowed and who does that is considered satanic specially the harming one to people and that which separates pairs bringing hate between married couples or in love...All Evil.

      May 11, 2011 at 1:14 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      "married couples"

      Muneef- Hmm... you mean like how a Muslim man can marry a Christian woman but, a Muslim woman can not marry a Christian man ?

      May 11, 2011 at 1:28 am |
    • Muneef

      Mark from Middle River.

      Muslim married couple I said....but yes...
      Seems you still stuck at this point ? If you are a Christian why do you need a Muslim woman when you cannot give up your religion...? So better stay to your own and save your self the headache?

      May 11, 2011 at 1:51 am |
    • Reality

      Saving a lot of "souls" in less than 100 words (Priceless!!): Please post on mosque, church and synagogue doors-

      SAVING 1.5 BILLION LOST MUSLIMS:

      THERE NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE ANY ANGELS I.E. NO GABRIEL, NO ISLAM AND THEREFORE NO MORE KORANIC-DRIVEN ACTS OF HORROR AND TERROR

      SAVING 2 BILLION LOST CHRISTIANS:

      THERE WAS AND NEVER WILL BE ANY BODILY RESURRECTIONS I.E. NO EASTER, NO CHRISTIANITY

      SAVING 15.5 MILLION ORTHODOX FOLLOWERS OF JUDAISM:

      ABRAHAM AND MOSES PROBABLY NEVER EXISTED.

      Added details upon request.

      May 11, 2011 at 10:00 am |
  6. Muneef

    Funny story;

    Two little boys, ages 5 and 7, are excessively mischievous.
    They are always getting into trouble and their parents know if any mischief occurs in their town, the two boys are probably involved.

    The boys' mother heard that a preacher in town had been successful in disciplining children, so she asked if he would speak with her boys. The preacher agreed, but he asked to see them individually.

    The mother sent the 5 year old in the morning, with the older boy to see the preacher in the afternoon. The preacher, a huge man with a deep booming voice, sat the younger boy down and asked him sternly, "Do you know where God is, son?"

    The boy's mouth dropped open, but he made no response, sitting there wide-eyed with his mouth hanging open.So the preacher repeated the question in an even sterner tone, "Where is God?!
    Again, the boy made no attempt to answer. The preacher raised his voice even more and shook his finger in the boy's face and bellowed, "WHERE is GOD?!"

    The boy screamed & bolted from the room, ran directly home & dove into his closet, slamming the door behind him. When his older brother found him in the closet, he asked, "What happened?"

    The younger brother, gasping for breath, replied, "We are in BIG trouble this time!" "GOD is missing, and they think WE did it!"

    May 10, 2011 at 7:53 pm |
    • Kevin Langalois

      You forgot the funny part.

      May 10, 2011 at 8:02 pm |
    • Muneef

      Kevin.

      Not really sure what the funny part is but it could be that for many years American been teaching in their schools that God did not exist and only science exists...but now plans has changed and all went looking for the missing God that left America..

      May 10, 2011 at 8:11 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      "what the funny part is but it could be that for many years American been teaching in their schools that God did not exist "

      Muneef, you need to go back to your Pro-Islam boards on that one. Maybe in Science classes but actively saying that God does not exist... I think the propaganda has gotten to you a bit.

      May 10, 2011 at 8:17 pm |
    • Muneef

      Mark from Middle River.

      That what I had came across reading the blogs here...being said...but any way why go far here you have a living example who insist about God's non existence....told by my elder brother Reality...!

      May 10, 2011 at 8:26 pm |
  7. bush limbush

    Iran – what a horrible horrible place. they are still living in the dark ages over there.

    May 10, 2011 at 4:18 pm |
    • Muneef

      Not sure how you can tell who is living dark ages and who is not? For us see those very advanced countries living in depravity we call theirs the dark ages...

      May 10, 2011 at 8:56 pm |
    • Adelina

      Muneef, I agree with you. The perversion in the West seems reaching the Darkest Age dragging many nations into it. The only hope is they still have some sanity from the Christian heritage and a freedom to be able to say "no," though the freedom seems being replaced by chaos.

      May 10, 2011 at 10:18 pm |
    • Muneef

      Adelina.

      Yet the worse to come allowing the same-x marriages and where...the Navy meaning your forces...isn't that one example of the dark ages the west is going into?

      May 11, 2011 at 1:07 am |
  8. Mark from Middle River

    Wow, in this battle which should we pulling for. Ahmadinijad is like Chaves, I love there brash and direct style and wish more politicians spoke with the same spirit.

    May 10, 2011 at 1:06 pm |
  9. Reality

    For all Muslims:

    Once again we come to save 1.5 billion lost Muslims from their Three B Syndrome, i.e. Bred, Born and Brainwashed in Islam but this time reducing the Five Step Program for Deprogramming Islam to One Step in order to by-pass most of the language barrier:

    Gabriel never existed!!!!!! No Gabriel, no communiques from heaven and therefore Islam has no foundation!!!

    May 10, 2011 at 12:31 pm |
    • Logic

      Prove it

      May 10, 2011 at 1:48 pm |
    • Shano

      To 'Logic',

      You can't prove something that does not exist, logically.

      May 10, 2011 at 3:07 pm |
    • Reality

      It is called the Great Angel Con:

      Joe Smith had his Moroni.

      Jehovah Witnesses have their Jesus /Michael the archangel, the first angelic being created by God;

      Mohammed had his Gabriel (this "tin-kerbell" got around).

      Jesus and his family had Michael, Gabriel, and Satan, the latter being a modern day dem-on of the de-mented.

      The Abraham-Moses myths had their Angel of Death and other "no-namers" to do their dirty work or other assorted duties.

      Contemporary biblical and religious scholars have relegated these "pretty wingie thingies" to the myth pile. We should do the same to include deleting all references to them in our religious operating manuals. Doing this will eliminate the prophet/profit/prophecy status of these founders and put them where they belong as simple humans just like the rest of us.
      Some added references to "tink-erbells".

      "Latter-day Saints also believe that Michael the Archangel was Adam (the first man) when he was mortal, and Gabriel lived on the earth as Noah."

      Apparently hallu-cinations did not stop with Joe Smith.

      newadvent.org/cathen/07049c.htm

      "The belief in guardian angels can be traced throughout all antiquity; pagans, like Menander and Plutarch (cf. Euseb., "Praep. Evang.", xii), and Neo-Platonists, like Plotinus, held it. It was also the belief of the Babylonians and As-syrians, as their monuments testify, for a figure of a guardian angel now in the British Museum once decorated an As-syrian palace, and might well serve for a modern representation; while Nabopolassar, father of Nebuchadnezzar the Great, says: "He (Marduk) sent a tutelary deity (cherub) of grace to go at my side; in everything that I did, he made my work to succeed."

      Catholic monks and Dark Age theologians also did their share of hallu-cinating:

      "TUBUAS-A member of the group of angels who were removed from the ranks of officially recognized celestial hierarchy in 745 by a council in Rome under Pope Zachary. He was joined by Uriel, Adimus, Sabaoth, Simiel, and Raguel."
      And tin-ker- bells go way, way back:

      "In Zoroastrianism there are different angel like creatures. For example each person has a guardian angel called Fravashi. They patronize human being and other creatures and also manifest god’s energy. Also, the Amesha Spentas have often been regarded as angels, but they don't convey messages, but are rather emanations of Ahura Mazda ("Wise Lord", God); they appear in an abstract fashion in the religious thought of Zarathustra and then later (during the Achaemenid period of Zoroastrianism) became personalized, associated with an aspect of the divine creation (fire, plants, water...)."
      "The beginnings of the biblical belief in angels must be sought in very early folklore. The gods of the Hitti-tes and Canaanites had their supernatural messengers, and parallels to the Old Testament stories of angels are found in Near Eastern literature. "

      "The 'Magic Papyri' contain many spells to secure just such help and protection of angels. From magic traditions arose the concept of the guardian angel. "

      For added information see the review at:

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel

      May 10, 2011 at 3:31 pm |
    • Logic

      @Reality, once again I ask you for proof. Im not a big fan of Wikipedia. Wikipedia once said that Brother Ali, a white Albino hip-hop artist, was born to black parents. That was false. Ever since that mistake, Ive never been back to Wikipedia. But anyways, please share some proof with me.

      May 10, 2011 at 3:42 pm |
    • Henry Pendegrass

      What do you want him to prove? That Gabriel never existed? As another poster correctly noted, you cannot scientifically prove the nonexistence of something which does not exist. If you do not believe it, just try to prove that there actually is not a six-foot invisible badger named Farty Dan who follows you around all the time and keeps your underwear from riding up.

      The burden of proof is on the one making the claim, not the one not believing it. If evidence is required, then those who claim the existence of Gabriel or God need to provide it.

      May 10, 2011 at 5:41 pm |
    • Farty Dan

      You doubt my existence, heathen? After you die, you will writhe in the ultimate agony of an eternal super-wedgie in my hell.

      May 10, 2011 at 7:41 pm |
    • Muneef

      A very important Christian missionary converted to Islam and became a major herald for Islam, he was a very active missionary and was very knowledgeable about the Bible. This man likes mathematics so much, that's why he likes logic. One day, he decided to read the Qur'an to try to find any mistakes that he might take advantage of while inviting Muslims to convert to Christianity. He expected the Qur'an to be an old book written 14 centuries ago, a book that talks about the desert and so on. He was amazed from what he found.
      http://islam.thetruecall.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=215

      May 10, 2011 at 7:51 pm |
    • Electric Larry

      There is no such thing as a very important Christian missionary.

      May 10, 2011 at 8:00 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      "The burden of proof is on the one making the claim, "

      Henry on May 10, 2011 at 12:31 pm Reality "made" the claim that Gabriel never existed. So by your logic the burden is correctly on Reality to prove that he does not exist. Logic never made any claims previous to Reality's.

      May 10, 2011 at 8:13 pm |
    • Muneef

      Electric Larry.

      That what the link given says...and they were not my words.

      May 10, 2011 at 8:14 pm |
    • Muneef

      Mark from Middle River.

      This sentence is part of Islamic Sharia,so where did you get it from ("The burden of proof is on the one making the claim,")

      May 10, 2011 at 8:21 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      "There is no such thing as a very important Christian missionary."

      Shh.. Larry, he is still believing that all Christians follow under the same denominations so since a missionary in one converted to Islam than we should pay attention because he must be important to all Christians.

      Muneef.... Christians are not monolithic, its one of those things that is the same in Islam. Your statement of "a important missionary in Christianity" would be the same as me telling you that I heard Farrakhan speaking the other day and that you should factor in whatever he said into your life since he is also a Muslim such as yourself.

      May 10, 2011 at 8:22 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Good grief. Muneef, do you even "read" other folks post because I do not think you are fully reading mine before responding. You ask me where I got it from .... I addressed who I got it from. Also the phrase "burden of proof" ...I am pretty sure that concept was around long before the Abrahamic faiths. Probably when God asked Adam and Eve if they ate the apple.

      May 10, 2011 at 8:29 pm |
    • Henry Pendegrass

      I think I will concede that point to you, Mark. Touché.

      May 10, 2011 at 8:43 pm |
    • Muneef

      Mark from Middle River.

      Got your point but they were not my words....by the way who is this FarraKhan ?
      Any way doesn't matter about being important or not important Christian missionary, main thing would be if you would read what he had to say about what drove him to convert to Islam...
      About that sentence which I said is of Sharia, it must have come from among the teachings of the Torah of Moses. No fruit was mentioned in the Quran so how do you know it was an apple that Adam and Eve ate? In the Quran it was mentioned that God warned Adam from eating a certain tree which was called the forbidden tree, but what fruit it bares is not mentioned...! Adam apple is what we males have in throats but not related to what Adam ate in heavens.

      May 10, 2011 at 8:45 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      It's interesting Reality that you constantly complain about radicals with big egos when you can't even tame your own ego.

      First learn how to spell HUMBLE, then actually become it.

      Amen.

      May 10, 2011 at 9:11 pm |
    • Woof

      Ah yes, HeavenSent, our model of Christian humility.

      May 10, 2011 at 9:26 pm |
    • Reality

      From Sir Salman Rushdie's book "Satanic Verses", p. 376, paperback issue – for those 1.5 billion Muslims to read as they are forbidden to purchase or read said book:

      One of the passages that prompted the crazy Ayatollah Khomeini to issue a fatwa against Sir Rushdie:

      Mahound = Mohammed
      Gibreel = Gabriel

      "The faithful lived by lawlessness, but in those years Mahound – or should one say the Archangel Gibreel? – should one say Al-Lah? – became obsessed by law.

      Amid the palm-trees of the oasis Gibreel appeared to the Prophet and found himself spouting rules, rules, rules, until the faithful could scarcely bear the prospect of any more revelation, Salman said, rules about every da-mn thing, if a man farts let him turn his face to the wind, a rule about which hand to use for the purpose of cleaning one's behind.

      It was as if no aspect of human existence was to be left unregulated, free. The revelation – the recitation- told the faithful how much to eat, how deeply they should sleep, and which se-xual positions had received divine sanction, so that they leamed that so-domy and the missionary position were approved of by the archangel, whereas the forbidden postures included all those in which the female was on top.

      Gibreel further listed the permitted and forbidden subjects of conversation, and earmarked the parts of the body which could not be scratched no matter how unbearably they might itch.

      He vetoed the consumption of prawns, those bizarre other-worldly creatures which no member of the faithful had ever seen, and required animals to be killed slowly, by bleeding, so that by experiencing their deaths to the full they might arrive at an understanding of the meaning of their lives, for it is only at the moment of death that living creatures understand that life has been real, and not a sort of dream.

      And Gibreel the archangel specified the manner in which a man should be buried, and how his property should be divided, so that Salman the Persian got to wondering what manner of God this was that sounded so much like a businessman.

      This was when he had the idea that destroyed his faith, because he recalled that of course Mahound himself had been a businessman, and a damned successful one at that, a person to whom organization and rules came naturally, so how excessively convenient it was that he should have come up with such a very businesslike archangel, who handed down the management decisions of this highly corporate, if noncorporeal, God."

      May 10, 2011 at 11:49 pm |
    • Dorianmode

      @Logic,
      I find it humorous that someone who chose to use the moniker "Logic" would be making the obvious logical error of asking to have a negative proven.

      May 11, 2011 at 8:53 am |
    • Logic

      @Shano & @Dorianmode That is the point I am trying to make. I'll give you a few minutes to think about it.

      May 11, 2011 at 1:02 pm |
    • Logic

      @Shano & @Dorianmode "Reality" claims Gabriel never existed. "Reality" can't prove that is a fact. Why? Because yes, you can't prove something never existed. Goodnight and good luck.

      May 11, 2011 at 1:05 pm |
    • Magic

      Logic,

      Do you believe that Gabriel existed?

      May 11, 2011 at 1:12 pm |
    • Logic

      @Magic I don't if he existed. And neither does anyone else in this world. But apparently "Reality" knows for sure. He must have super powers.

      May 11, 2011 at 1:59 pm |
    • Magic

      Logic,

      Are you saying that the default position is that if something is not proved it should be believed until disproved?

      May 11, 2011 at 2:10 pm |
    • mabuwi

      People will always believe what they wish to believe. The fact is that there are over a billion people who believe that there is a sole Supreme Deity, an Omnipotent Force who is the Originator of the Universe, and that this Ultimate Force has guided special people, called Prophets, throughout human history. These men have served to reorient humanity toward that which is good, righteous and beneficial. This life of devotion to the doing of good to oneself and to all others, is called Al-Islam. The last prophet, Mohammed, son of Abdullah, son of Abdul Mutallib of Arabia(peace be upon him), followed in the tradition of Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus Christ in reminding the people to turn away from evil and idolatry and serve Our Creator, obediently and sincerely, as the Supreme Universal Power – named as "Allah" in the Holy Qur'an – deserves to be served by His creatures. Regardless of the evil that the renegades, misrepresenters, and traitors to Al-Islam may do, the Almighty Supreme Power, the Ultimate Supreme Force – call this Reality, God, or call it Allah, or Jehovah, of Yahweh, etc. – will win out in the end, because all creatures will ultimately die, and be subjected to the forces controlled by the Supreme Power to be assimilated by into unity with this Universal Supreme Force. There is nothing to argue about, because as all of the Sacred Books agree, "Good begets good, and Evil begets evil; therefore, we will all reap whatever we sow, regardless of the names or labels with which we choose to identify ourselves.
      i
      Imam Marshall Musa Muslim Abuwi
      (A student of the late Imam Wallace D. Mohammed, May Allah (God) be pleased with him, and grant him paradise.)

      May 12, 2011 at 1:38 am |
    • Muneef

      mabuwi..
      thank you for those lovely words;
      "There is nothing to argue about, because as all of the Sacred Books agree, "Good begets good, and Evil begets evil; therefore, we will all reap whatever we sow, regardless of the names or labels with which we choose to identify ourselves.
      i
      Imam Marshall Musa Muslim Abuwi"

      May 13, 2011 at 9:19 pm |
  10. civiloutside

    Reading the full article reveals this funny quote from Ahmadinijad I'm denying his advisor had been accused od sorcery.

    "Those who accuse the government of being influenced by superst1tions are 'joking.'"

    It's a theocracy. It's not merely influenced by superst1tion, it's *ruled* by it.

    May 10, 2011 at 9:59 am |
  11. Doc Vestibule

    Not that I expect much in the way of modernism from a theocratic regime, but sorcery? Really?
    I wonder if Khamenei has an alchemist on staff...

    May 10, 2011 at 9:08 am |
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