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Actually, that's not in the Bible
Satan tempted Eve in the Garden of Eden right? Nope. That's one of many phantom passages that people think are in the Bible.
June 5th, 2011
01:00 AM ET

Actually, that's not in the Bible

By John Blake, CNN

(CNN) – NFL legend Mike Ditka was giving a news conference one day after being fired as the coach of the Chicago Bears when he decided to quote the Bible.

“Scripture tells you that all things shall pass,” a choked-up Ditka said after leading his team to only five wins during the previous season.  “This, too, shall pass.”

Ditka fumbled his biblical citation, though. The phrase “This, too, shall pass” doesn’t appear in the Bible. Ditka was quoting a phantom scripture that sounds like it belongs in the Bible, but look closer and it’s not there.

Ditka’s biblical blunder is as common as preachers delivering long-winded public prayers. The Bible may be the most revered book in America, but it’s also one of the most misquoted. Politicians, motivational speakers, coaches - all types of people  - quote passages that actually have no place in the Bible, religious scholars say.

These phantom passages include:

“God helps those who help themselves.”

“Spare the rod, spoil the child.”

And there is this often-cited paraphrase: Satan tempted Eve to eat the forbidden apple in the Garden of Eden.

None of those passages appear in the Bible, and one is actually anti-biblical, scholars say.

But people rarely challenge them because biblical ignorance is so pervasive that it even reaches groups of people who should know better, says Steve Bouma-Prediger, a religion professor at Hope College in Holland, Michigan.

“In my college religion classes, I sometimes quote 2 Hesitations 4:3 (‘There are no internal combustion engines in heaven’),” Bouma-Prediger says. “I wait to see if anyone realizes that there is no such book in the Bible and therefore no such verse.

“Only a few catch on.”

Few catch on because they don’t want to - people prefer knowing biblical passages that reinforce their pre-existing beliefs, a Bible professor says.

“Most people who profess a deep love of the Bible have never actually read the book,” says Rabbi Rami Shapiro, who once had to persuade a student in his Bible class at Middle Tennessee State University that the saying “this dog won’t hunt” doesn’t appear in the Book of Proverbs.

“They have memorized parts of texts that they can string together to prove the biblical basis for whatever it is they believe in,” he says, “but they ignore the vast majority of the text."

Phantom biblical passages work in mysterious ways

Ignorance isn’t the only cause for phantom Bible verses. Confusion is another.

Some of the most popular faux verses are pithy paraphrases of biblical concepts or bits of folk wisdom.

Consider these two:

“God works in mysterious ways.”

“Cleanliness is next to Godliness.”

Both sound as if they are taken from the Bible, but they’re not. The first is a paraphrase of a 19th century hymn by the English poet William Cowper (“God moves in a mysterious way, His wonders to perform).

The “cleanliness” passage was coined by John Wesley, the 18th century evangelist who founded Methodism,  says Thomas Kidd, a history professor at Baylor University in Texas.

“No matter if John Wesley or someone else came up with a wise saying - if it sounds proverbish, people figure it must come from the Bible,” Kidd says.

Our fondness for the short and tweet-worthy may also explain our fondness for phantom biblical phrases. The pseudo-verses function like theological tweets: They’re pithy summarizations of biblical concepts.

“Spare the rod, spoil the child” falls into that category. It’s a popular verse - and painful for many kids. Could some enterprising kid avoid the rod by pointing out to his mother that it's not in the Bible?

It’s doubtful. Her possible retort: The popular saying is a distillation of Proverbs 13:24: “The one who withholds [or spares] the rod is one who hates his son.”

Another saying that sounds Bible-worthy: “Pride goes before a fall.” But its approximation, Proverbs 16:18, is actually written: “Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.”

There are some phantom biblical verses for which no excuse can be offered. The speaker goofed.

That’s what Bruce Wells, a theology professor, thinks happened to Ditka, the former NFL coach, when he strayed from the gridiron to biblical commentary during his 1993 press conference in Chicago.

Wells watched Ditka’s biblical blunder on local television when he lived in Chicago. After Ditka cited the mysterious passage, reporters scrambled unsuccessfully the next day to find the biblical source.

They should have consulted Wells, who is now director of the ancient studies program at Saint Joseph’s University in Pennsylvania. Wells says Ditka’s error probably came from a peculiar feature of the King James Bible.

“My hunch on the Ditka quote is that it comes from a quirk of the King James translation,” Wells says. “Ancient Hebrew had a particular way of saying things like, ‘and the next thing that happened was…’ The King James translators of the Old Testament consistently rendered this as ‘and it came to pass.’ ’’

When phantom Bible passages turn dangerous

People may get verses wrong, but they also mangle plenty of well-known biblical stories as well.

Two examples: The scripture never says a whale swallowed Jonah, the Old Testament prophet, nor did any New Testament passages say that three wise men visited baby Jesus, scholars say.

Those details may seem minor, but scholars say one popular phantom Bible story stands above the rest: The Genesis story about the fall of humanity.

Most people know the popular version - Satan in the guise of a serpent tempts Eve to pick the forbidden apple from the Tree of Life. It’s been downhill ever since.

But the story in the book of Genesis never places Satan in the Garden of Eden.

“Genesis mentions nothing but a serpent,” says Kevin Dunn, chair of the department of religion at Tufts University in Massachusetts.

“Not only does the text not mention Satan, the very idea of Satan as a devilish tempter postdates the composition of the Garden of Eden story by at least 500 years,” Dunn says.

Getting biblical scriptures and stories wrong may not seem significant, but it can become dangerous, one scholar says.

Most people have heard this one: “God helps those that help themselves.” It’s another phantom scripture that appears nowhere in the Bible, but many people think it does. It's actually attributed to Benjamin Franklin, one of the nation's founding fathers.

The passage is popular in part because it is a reflection of cherished American values: individual liberty and self-reliance, says Sidnie White Crawford, a religious studies scholar at the University of Nebraska.

Yet that passage contradicts the biblical definition of goodness: defining one’s worth by what one does for others, like the poor and the outcast, Crawford says.

Crawford cites a scripture from Leviticus that tells people that when they harvest the land, they should leave some “for the poor and the alien” (Leviticus 19:9-10), and another passage from Deuteronomy that declares that people should not be “tight-fisted toward your needy neighbor.”

“We often infect the Bible with our own values and morals, not asking what the Bible’s values and morals really are,” Crawford says.

Where do these phantom passages come from?

It’s easy to blame the spread of phantom biblical passages on pervasive biblical illiteracy. But the causes are varied and go back centuries.

Some of the guilty parties are anonymous, lost to history. They are artists and storytellers who over the years embellished biblical stories and passages with their own twists.

If, say, you were an anonymous artist painting the Garden of Eden during the Renaissance, why not portray the serpent as the devil to give some punch to your creation? And if you’re a preacher telling a story about Jonah, doesn’t it just sound better to say that Jonah was swallowed by a whale, not a “great fish”?

Others blame the spread of phantom Bible passages on King James, or more specifically the declining popularity of the King James translation of the Bible.

That translation, which marks 400 years of existence this year, had a near monopoly on the Bible market as recently as 50 years ago, says Douglas Jacobsen, a professor of church history and theology at Messiah College in Pennsylvania.

“If you quoted the Bible and got it wrong then, people were more likely to notice because there was only one text,” he says. “Today, so many different translations are used that almost no one can tell for sure if something supposedly from the Bible is being quoted accurately or not.”

Others blame the spread of phantom biblical verses on Martin Luther, the German monk who ignited the Protestant Reformation, the massive “protest” against the excesses of the Roman Catholic Church that led to the formation of Protestant church denominations.

“It is a great Protestant tradition for anyone - milkmaid, cobbler, or innkeeper - to be able to pick up the Bible and read for herself. No need for a highly trained scholar or cleric to walk a lay person through the text,” says Craig Hazen, director of the Christian Apologetics program at Biola University in Southern California.

But often the milkmaid, the cobbler - and the NFL coach - start creating biblical passages without the guidance of biblical experts, he says.

“You can see this manifest today in living room Bible studies across North America where lovely Christian people, with no training whatsoever, drink decaf, eat brownies and ask each other, ‘What does this text mean to you?’’’ Hazen says.

“Not only do they get the interpretation wrong, but very often end up quoting verses that really aren’t there.”

- CNN Writer

Filed under: Belief • Bible • Books • Christianity • Faith

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  1. Egyptian

    Koran also said to kill the people of the Bible, namely Christian and Jews. That is what Mohammed did in Arabia when he wiped out all the Jews in the land to steal their properties, something Hitleer could not do, and he call himself a prophet. I truely beleive that mohammed is the most evil man who walked this planet and I am an arab.

    July 14, 2011 at 7:28 pm |
    • adam

      all right Egyptian it is people like u who are the true definition of an uneducated mouron who spread violence being your arab christen neibohor (palistine) id like to say go screw ur self

      July 14, 2011 at 7:43 pm |
    • Guest

      Egyptian, where in the Koran says that ? Please tell us the complete verse .

      July 15, 2011 at 4:58 am |
  2. Canuck1979

    Religious Trolls. You can put physical evidence in front of their faces and their only argument back is more bible mumble jumble. Do us all a favour, religious trolls, and watch the NOVA Origins videos on youtube for how the earth and universe were really created, based on facts and evidence we can currently see. Or, you can continue wasting your life praying to your imaginary friends.

    July 14, 2011 at 7:25 pm |
    • Dawn

      Why are you reading the religion section of CNN if you believe we evolved from apes?

      July 14, 2011 at 8:56 pm |
    • Nocordoba

      I have watched thing like and it. Absolutely stupid. No actual beginning just "we don't no what came before that". The only answer that there is an omnipotent deity that there is one who is infinite never created never ending and we can't comprehend that because we are basic computers who can only understand what is within our limits previously set by this God. Its only... logic. Watch expelled you might be surprised.

      July 14, 2011 at 9:19 pm |
    • Shizam

      I would rather have a question remaining as an answer rather than chalking something up to an omnipotent, omnipresent, personal god. The mere idea is illogical, making no sense. Nocordoba, your manipulation of logical thought is typical of religious zealotry. Why do we atheists "troll" in forums like this, because we understand that society would be much better if religion was nonexistent, which is why we continue to assist you in your evolution.

      July 15, 2011 at 8:20 am |
    • a million questions

      some of that is hard to belive too its plausable but there still are alot of gaps i really dont know what to believe they r all far fetched if u ask me but i guess we all need direction some understanding other wise it all seems rather pointless

      July 15, 2011 at 8:43 am |
    • Lenin

      U can't blame atheists. We just can't accept how an omnipotent god who seemed to live forever has never evolved in wisdom on too of all the mess that came out of him. God's wisdom is only as good as his actions. The very fact he needs to kill or instruct others to kill to solve issues very much suggests that either he is incapable or that his wisdom is unevolved in the face of his omnipotence.

      July 15, 2011 at 10:27 pm |
  3. Joel Kirkendall

    Hey... MATTHEW 12:40 says Jonah was in the "whale's belly." contrary to what y'all said.

    And by deduction, the serpent was the devil, the tempter, he used the same tactics on Jesus in Matthew 4/Luke 4, and Genesis 3:15 is not about snakes in general, but the tempter, which is what Christ has fulfilled.

    Y'all sound smart, but you lost your credibility.

    July 14, 2011 at 3:27 pm |
    • a million questions

      snake cults have been around a long time way maybe the snake represents another religion
      just thowin out ideas

      July 15, 2011 at 8:45 am |
  4. Bishop Allison

    For a news commentary on what is and isn't in the Bible, John Blake did some poor investigative research and merely sought to discredit rather than exercise unbiased journalism. Revelation 12:9 speaks clearly as to who was in the Garden of Eden and Jesus Himself said in Matthew 12:39-40 that Jonah was in the belly of a whale for three days. Jesus referred to it as the sign of Jonah in referring to His death and resurrection.

    In the future, before you write on anything biblical read the bible for yourself, that way you don't prove yourself to be ignorant.

    July 14, 2011 at 12:34 pm |
  5. TYLMN

    Apparently this guy did not compare scripture with scripture. The Bible as a whole explaines and defines itself. Genesis 3 tells of Eve's encounter with the serpent. God explaines who that "old serpent" is in Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, THAT OLD SERPENT, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." See also Revelation 20:2 "And he laid hold on the dragon, THAT OLD SERPENT, which IS the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,"

    July 14, 2011 at 11:34 am |
    • adrian

      Amen, and thank you for posting that. I'm continually surprised how unknowledgeable (and sometimes flat out ignorant) many of the CNN Belief Blog writers are of the subject matter on which they're supposed to be experts, or at least supposedly qualified to write about.

      July 14, 2011 at 11:50 am |
    • TYLMN

      I agree totally! They also didn't research the book of Jonah either, because as it was mentioned in another post Jesus did call the big fish a whale in Matthew 12:40. "For as Jonas (greek spelling of Jonah) was three days and three nights in the WHALE'S belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

      July 14, 2011 at 1:48 pm |
  6. curiousone

    what version of the bible is he talking about? since every christian sect has their own translation (king james/american/jehovah witness/new catholic missle etc etc etc) you cannot blanketly say this or that is not there.. the individual scholars will translate the ancient greek/arameic in different ways...
    he needs to outline what his assumptions are based on if he wants to do a rhetorical analysis like this

    July 14, 2011 at 10:44 am |
    • Tom

      What part of the story are you talking about? He does refer to specific versions in places, so your point in poorly taken. BTW, he doesn't need to if he's quoting the original. As you say, they are translations.

      July 14, 2011 at 11:48 am |
  7. Jessie McLaren

    Well, the paraphrase does not exist but the point sure does:
    Proverbs 13:24
    Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them.
    Whatever one believes about it is not my business. However, THIS scripture is very clear in its meaning and intention.

    July 14, 2011 at 8:58 am |
    • H8UPrimitives

      I'll take logic, psychological study and free thought as disciplinary tools over an ancient text any day, thanks.

      July 14, 2011 at 9:29 am |
    • Mike in Maine

      H8UPrimitives... its YOUR kids that they just banned on airplanes and in some restaurants.

      Reason that.

      July 14, 2011 at 10:07 am |
    • H8UPrimitives

      Look at the behavior statistics, education statistics, and standardized test scores. Sorry buddy, religion breeds idiocy AND misbehavior. It also breeds unfounded judgement and blank speculation, proven by your post. Don't pretend to know my children and have some respect for your own, open your mind, and pick up a book (besides the bible)

      July 14, 2011 at 1:54 pm |
  8. Godzillamenace

    The very fact god is above all and above his rules allows him to do whatever he wants without consequences or karma. The fact that he can allow evil without considering the consequences very much make me question if he has ever break his own rules since it is without consequences. Would he tell even a little lie? Since nobody polices him. He makes and break his own rules without consequences and that he can allow evil, I am sure a little lie won't hurt as much as all the evil he allowed.  

    July 14, 2011 at 3:17 am |
    • Seriously?

      wow. I can't tell if you believe in God based on your post. if you do, you essentially just said your understanding of the way world works and how it was created supersedes God's understanding. in other words, you as the creation just said you know more about what's going on than the creator. take a step back and think about the audacity and presumptuousness of that thought.

      if you don't believe in God, then I guess I understand why you say that, though I don't agree.

      July 14, 2011 at 11:07 am |
  9. Bullet

    Would someone explain what the moderation process consists of.

    July 14, 2011 at 1:53 am |
  10. Cecilie

    It is beautiful that the Bible can be flexible and have new stories built on top of the old ones.
    After all the stories are meant to teach the people lessons about good and bad – and if the Bible lacks a lesson it is okay that the people build uopn the old words.
    In that way we will have a dynamic Bible that can follow the modern day Christians.

    July 14, 2011 at 1:52 am |
    • Actually...

      the Bible is not a dynamic, "changing-according-to-the-times" book. that's actually what has caused so many problems with people misinterpreting it (Joel Osteen – please show me where in the scriptures God's plan is to shower us all with money and success?)

      check out what Revelation 22:18 says (pretty much the very end of the Bible).

      July 14, 2011 at 11:12 am |
  11. Slapdash article

    The article doesn't make it very clear why some of these interpretations eg. spare the rod spoil the child as an interpretation of Proverbs 23:13-14 are wrong.

    July 13, 2011 at 11:07 pm |
  12. josey

    The Bible, the most boring read ever written.

    July 13, 2011 at 9:42 pm |
    • Michael Knight

      Josey,...it's apparent that you were never taught the Bible when you were younger. It's your parents responsibility to bring up the child to know God. If you want to know God in a better way, then seek God by using the level of faith that you have and he will make himself known to you. One of the greatest feelings is that God doesn't require that we understand his plans first, what he's looking for is our faith in him. Be faithful and God will speed up your understanding. Do not let the devil get a foothold on your life. Find a modern ( English Version ) Bible; that will help you enjoy reading and studying the Bible more.

      July 14, 2011 at 12:01 am |
    • H8UPrimitives

      Only thing the Bible did for me was to prove that Christianity is rhetorical nonsense just like all the other variations of sun worship out there. Christianity/the Bible closes more minds than it opens and teaches man to subsist on ancient idiocy rather than improve himself. Religion is why our test scores are lower and our violence rates higher than the rest of the world, and it can be PROVEN THROUGH SCIENCE!

      July 14, 2011 at 9:31 am |
    • Got Hate?

      H8UPrimitives – I find it ironic that your whole argument against the Bible/Christianity is based on the claim that it retards the progress of humanity, when historical precedence actually shows time and time again how hate, coupled with ignorance, is one of the most (if not the most) detrimental factor to society at large. Please enlighten us with these scientific studies that prove the point you're arguing. I'm also curious to know just how fully you've read/studied the Bible, vs. just skimming/being passively exposed to certain passages throughout your life, before whole-heartedly condemning a book that has been validated for two thousand years, over many continents, by hundreds (if not thousands) of people much smarter and knowledgeable than you and I will ever be.

      July 14, 2011 at 11:20 am |
    • H8UPrimitives

      I was raised in a Christian home and have read the bible in it's entirety multiple times before and after turning to atheism. I have tried to see your point of view, I have tried to consider the possibility of faith being worthwhile. I can't do it, and I don't see how anyone with a free thinking thought in their head can. You people think the bible is a self licking ice cream cone, you say "because the bible says so" and "because I have faith", which is your right, but is circular logic. I won't do your work for you, just like I won't change your mind in this forum. I challenge you to view all that science has done and compare it to your faith which destroys society over and over (faith of all kinds). I encourage you to see the other side of the argument rather than trumping everyone with the "faith card" when things get logically challenging. If you can actually do this, which I doubt you can, and come out the other side a Christian, then your faith will mean even more to you then. good luck

      July 14, 2011 at 2:03 pm |
    • H8UPrimitives

      Also, religion has killed more men than logic ever has. Religion is an emotional response to our inability to address or define the unknown aspects of our world. We once worshiped the sun, christianity is no different. Your historical precedence shows that the hate usually comes from religion. Morality and religion are distinctly different, religion comes after society, just as morality comes before society. No morality, no society. All the rules you consider to be "handed down from god" are basic rules found in some form amongst all primitive societies, to include American Indians and tribes around the world today. Now explain to me how a society develops it's own rules thousands of years before your jesus showed up? Because good and evil are intrinsically present in communal beings. You will attribute this to the devil, traveling through time manipulating the evidence to support his evil doctrine I'm sure. I've heard it all before. I'm a good man, I do well for others, volunteer in my community and raise good, intelligent children who are free to choose religion if they desire (I don't have to indoctrinate them with fear in childhood fyi). I am offended by religion as it dilutes truly good men with judgement.

      July 14, 2011 at 2:19 pm |
    • Johnintally

      You sound like a smart guy Hate and you have it all figured out. Except for Jesus. It all begins with him. Who was he? I know where you stand because I stood there myself at one time. But Jesus is hard to explain away if you look at him honestly. He was real. He lived. He claimed to be this power beyond reality so many smart men have sensed to exist. But he was no lunatic. Nor was he a liar. He didn't seek anything for himself. People that believe in the Bible believe in it because he testified about it. It's not about being to explain all the things in an ancient book. None of us can. It's about obedience to our Lord.

      July 14, 2011 at 3:57 pm |
    • H8UPrimitives

      Johnintally- I tried for years to find your god and jesus, I read the bible, scientific reports, archaeological records from suspected biblical sights, and attended church for years. What I found was mankinds inability to understand the world around him. I found belief in god to be a limited human response to the overwhelming complexity of the Universe. I found fear, hate, gluttony, sloth, and all types of deleterious social behavior amongst my christian fellows. God never made himself known, nor did he lead me down a path, nor did jesus show up to hold my hand. What I found was atheism, after years of research (I don't take the possibility of fire and damnation lightly). I have led a more positive (for others too) and gratified life since that day. I encourage you to research everything at your disposal before deciding that god/christ are your only option, I found religion limiting and filled with hate and judgement, not the salvation it was supposed to be. Good luck on your journey

      July 15, 2011 at 8:32 am |
  13. rodney

    I see people doing it all the time and they take what they want and try to make it fit. http://nabacar.com

    July 13, 2011 at 9:35 pm |
  14. Joe

    What a dope. While in some cases true, in some cases the equal paraphrase. What the bible does not mention is

    CHRISTMAS
    EASTER
    SUNDAY SABBATH

    Hey you missed the point. What a dope!!!!

    July 13, 2011 at 9:25 pm |
    • adrian

      You're right that the Bible doesn't explicitly mention Christmas or Easter. But Christians don't celebrate these holidays out of obedience to some command from God. Rather, we celebrate them because we are thankful for what we believe Christ has done for us. It's an expression of joy, not an obligation.

      As for the Sabbath, check out Exodus 20:8-11 and Deuteronomy 5:12-15. God actually does command us to Sabbath each week. However, he doesn't specify that it has to be on Sunday, but the modern church has typically chosen that day as a default. However, any day of the week can be a Sabbath, and we honor the Lord by submitting ourselves in obedience to that command.

      July 14, 2011 at 11:27 am |
  15. Muneef

    THE QUR’AN
    AND
    MODERN SCIENCE
    by
    Dr. Maurice Bucaille
    Edited by Dr. A. A. B. Philips

    RELIGION AND SCIENCE

    There is, perhaps, no better illustration of the close links between Islam and science than the Prophet Muhammad’s often-quoted statements:

    “Seeking knowledge is compulsory on every Muslim.”

    “wisdom is the lost property of the believer.”

    “whoever follows a path seeking knowledge, Allah will make his path to paradise easy.”

    These statements and many others are veritable invitations to humanity to enrich their knowledge from all sources. It comes as no surprise, therefore, to learn that in Islam religion and science have always been considered as twin sisters and that today, at a time when science has taken such great strides, they still continue to be associated. Nor is it a surprise to learn that certain scientific data are used for the better understanding of the Qur’anic text. What is more, in a century where, for many people, scientific truth has dealt a deathblow to religious belief, it is precisely the discoveries of science that, in an objective examination of the Islamic scripture, have highlighted the supernatural nature of revelation and the authenticity of the religion which it taught.

    July 13, 2011 at 9:16 pm |
    • Muneef

      http://adelhasanin.yolasite.com/resources/The%20Quran%20and%20Modern%20Science%20(Dr.%20Maurice%20Bucaille).pdf

      July 13, 2011 at 9:29 pm |
    • Michael Knight

      Muneef,...DO NOT be misled. Allah is nothing more than a rock; that's correct !!..You read that statement correctly. Muhammad, in the late 600 A.D, rode into the arabs camp and took one of their rocks. Muhammad called this rock__'Allah.
      I hope you and countless others are not gullible to believe this old so-called prophet, who deceived thousands for years. The Koran is nothing more than a comic book. Muhammad did something really dumb. He condemned our Bible, but he also took certain biblical stories and biblical prophets and wrote his own version of what a Holy Writ should sound like. He took advantage of his followers ignorance; that's how a religious dictator operates.

      July 14, 2011 at 12:13 am |
    • Muneef

      M.Knight.

      What a joke that is but really I admit it was the best of what I heard of all. Dear the Black Stone was a rock from heavens from the time of Abraham..fixed to the first house of worship that was build by Abraham and his son Ismael...the roch was stolen many time through history and what is left of it now fixed to house worship in Mecca said to be pieces of seven small stones out of the total actual rock the word Allah is not a name but rather means God...the God of Abraham (saws).

      July 14, 2011 at 8:50 am |
  16. Muneef

    Belief in Angel Messengers;

    As it seems that we even have our differences of belief with Christians in the Terms of Angels;

    -Islam says "Gabriel" is the Arch Angel while Christians belief it is "Michael" the Arch Angel...
    -Islam says Archangels and Angels were created from a substance of light,Christians not specified any substance.. 
    -Lucifer (Satan/Devil) is from DJinn and they were created from a substance of smokeless poisonous fire, Christians thought they were created as of Angels and called him and his tribe the fallen Angels.. 
    -Adam was created from a substance water and colorful mixture like clay.
    Muslim sites;

    http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/Angels.htm

    http://www.alislam.org/books/study-of-islam/angels.html

    Christian sites;

    http://breadandwineministries.org/how%20to%20see%20angels.pdf

    http://www.whyangels.com/devil_demons.html

    July 13, 2011 at 7:24 pm |
    • Godzillamenace

      Theists have the most bloodied history and in modern days it continues to be so. While the theists slug it out over "which one". Polytheist says everyone. Just respect everyone. Idol worshippers are the most harmless lot. If clay and metal are not holy. Then dun build religious building out of clay, brick and metal and call them holy buildings.

      July 14, 2011 at 3:26 am |
  17. Muneef

    A Statement of Fact
    [5:82] You will find that the worst enemies of the believers are the Jews and the idol worshipers. And you will find that the closest people in friendship to the believers are those who say, "We are Christian." This is because they have priests and monks among them, and they are not arrogant.                                                                                                

    [5:83] When they hear what was revealed to the messenger, you see their eyes flooding with tears as they recognize the truth therein, and they say, "Our Lord, we have believed, so count us among the witnesses.

    [5:84] "Why should we not believe in GOD, and in the truth that has come to us, and hope that our Lord may admit us with the righteous people?"

    [5:85] GOD has rewarded them for saying this; He will admit them into gardens with flowing streams. They abide therein forever. Such is the reward for the righteous.

    [5:86] As for those who disbelieve and reject our revelations, they are the dwellers of Hell.
    ----–

    July 13, 2011 at 5:33 pm |
    • Godzillamenace

      Idol worshippers are not as worst as those who worship a faceless god like an idol and even going to extreme extent to harm and kill others over their beliefs. Who is the real idol here? The western world may not really idol worship but they satisfy their need for idol worship by creating one of the largest idol worship market called Hollywood. That's where they get their kick of idol worship whenever they feel something missing in their lives.

      July 14, 2011 at 3:07 am |
  18. Brooke Gillette

    Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

    Does this help? It's not wrong to paraphrase. you seem to not have read the Bible yourself, since you couldn't find this verse. Ditka's intentions were correct.

    July 13, 2011 at 2:27 pm |
  19. love not hate

    It's a freakin' quote.... No one reads the Bible anymore anyways so big deal. And people who actually read the Bible read it wrong too. If they read it right than we wouldn't have all of this "You're going to hell" crap.

    July 13, 2011 at 12:48 pm |
    • Brooke Gillette

      That you don't know anyone who reads the Bible doesn't mean that there are not millions who do. You may associate with what, 200 people on any given month? Have 500 friends on facebook, and you feel qualified to say with authority that "no one" reads the Bible? I've read it myself for over 25 years and I'm only 39. Love reading it, it's very enlightening and encouraging because it leads me to know God better and understand how He works in my life and the lives of others because of His mercy and love. I hope you can pick one up and find that hope yourself!

      July 13, 2011 at 2:30 pm |
  20. Muneef

    Rainer B.
    You said;
    "Islam degrades Jesus to a mere creature. Muhammad allows little Jesus to teach a bit. That was it. Furthermore Muhammad condems everybody, who says, Jesus is the eternal Son of God or a person of the Trinity. This wicked Islam makes people desperated, because it withhelds the Deliverer, whom the people need so urgently".

    My comments;

    From Quran verses below we understand that who ever eats food is a human being and can not be immortal nor an Angel or a God....
    Verses clearly states although Angels or Holy Spirits might come looking like humans but you will not see them eating nor they need to eat human food nor will they need to use "Rest Rooms"... 
    don't tell me that the Bibles did not mention any thing like that?
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    [5:75] The Messiah, son of Mary, is no more than a messenger like the messengers before him, and his mother was a saint. Both of them used to eat the food. Note how we explain the revelations for them, and note how they still de-via-te!
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    [21:7] We did not send before you except men whom we inspired. Ask those who know the scripture, if you do not know.

    [21:8] We did not give them bodies that did not eat, nor were they immortal.
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    [25:7] And they said, "How come this messenger eats the food and walks in the markets? If only an angel could come down with him, to serve with him as a preacher!"
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    [25:20] We did not send any messengers before you who did not eat food and walk in the markets. We thus test you by each other; will you steadfastly persevere? Your Lord is Seer.
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    [11:69] When our messengers went to Abraham with good news, they said, "Peace." He said, "Peace," and soon brought a ro-ast-ed calf.

    [11:70] When he saw that their hands did not touch it, he became sus-pic-ious and fearful of them. They said, "Do not be afraid, we are being dispatched to the people of Lot."
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    [51:24] Have you noted the history of Abraham's honorable guests?

    [51:25] They visited him, saying, "Peace." He said, "Peace to you, strangers!"

    [51:26] He asked his family to prepare a fat calf.

    [51:27] When he offered it to them, he remarked, "Do you not eat?"

    [51:28] He har-bo-red fear of them. They said, "Have no fear," and they gave good news of a knowledgeable son.
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    July 13, 2011 at 9:21 am |
    • Godzillamenace

      Oh yah. When robot humans come one day. We will be revering them as angels. No human food. No need go washroom. They can live as long as they want as long as replaceable parts are available.

      July 14, 2011 at 3:51 am |
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