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Your Take: Comments on misquoting the Bible
June 6th, 2011
11:37 AM ET

Your Take: Comments on misquoting the Bible

Our Sunday post about oft-quoted biblical lines that don't actually appear in the Bible struck a chord, with 5,000 comments so far.

Lots of atheists and critics of religion used the piece to ridicule believers, taking several different lines of attack. Here are a two:

Amanda
Because most people would prefer to be ignorant rather than think for themselves. That is what the whole of organized religion is based on, especially Christianity and Catholicism. Organized religion has never done anything good for humanity in history.

Atheism is Great!
Actually, the bible is nothing more than a collection of stories and moralities written by human beings thousands of years ago who's max age was maybe 30, who thought the Earth was flat, and who did not have access to scientific or medical science/information. It's not from "god" people, god doesn't exist either. Whatever helps you get through your life I guess. I personally don't need that crutch. Have a nice day.

There was also more nuanced criticism of organized religion, with some commenters arguing that the prevalence of biblical misquotes suggested that religious folk have been overly dependent on religious authorities for a long time:

Witchytiger
The point to remember here is that just up until very recently, the masses believed whatever their clergy told them. They either didn't have the skills to read (for whatever reason), or simply didn't believe they should read the bible themselves.

I once asked an elderly Catholic where her bible was ... (I love old books and thought her bible would be a real treat to look at ... ) She was horrified that I thought she'd even HAVE one ... Her thought, at the age of 90, was that Catholics are not supposed to read the bible on their own. It was their job to believe what the Father told them, and it was the Father's job to know the bible.

So many times it's either just plain ignorance, or the situation that they come from (IE: can't read, etc) that produces these types of situations. Thankfully we're coming out of those situations, if only little by little.

All the criticism of religion brought out plenty of faithful. One responded to Amanda, the religion critic whose comment is above:

Zach
Really, Amanda? I would encourage you to try to prove your statement about no good ever coming from organized religion. I can think of a few well-known and recent organized religionists who have done quite a bit of good – Mother Theresa, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Ghandhi. I can also think of a few anti-religious people who have done a lot of bad – Stalin, Mao, Hitler. "Never" is a big word.

Others believers lobbed ad hominem  attacks on atheists:

Bottom line
Atheists/Agnostics have nothing of substance to do on weekends. Also since they are empty when it comes to faith or beliefs they have to make the attempt to urinate on ones who do so they can feel full and superior.

A fair number of commenters, meanwhile, criticized our piece, arguing that some misquoted scriptural lines have biblical roots:

David
Many of these phrases many not be in the bible verbatim, but their intent is very much contained in it, specifically "Spare the rod spoil the child". This phrase is a direct distillation of Prov 13:24 & 23:13-14 "He who spareth the rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him correcteth him betimes" (Proverbs 13:24) and "Withhold not correction from a child: for if thou strike him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and deliver his soul from hell." (Proverbs 23:13-14).

I find it disingenuously nit-picky to state that a faithful paraphrase of a verse is "not" in the bible.

Mahanaim
I find it very disturbing that the "CHAIR" of a "SCHOOL OF RELIGION" would go record as say that the "the devil was not in eden". Kevin Dunn is right in saying that the word "devil or satan" was not mention in Genesis but if Mr. Dunn is "BIBLICAL SCHOLAR" then he should be familiar with the "BOOK OF REVELATIONS" which equates "THE SERPENT, DEVIL & SATAN" as one and the same: Revelations 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:". And you wonder where people get the wrong impression about things that are "IN" the Bible. Mr. Blake, apparently you did not know your Bible well enough to call Mr Dun on that one.

And, as always, there were plenty of attempts at humor, including this on Adam and Eve eating that apple:

Sean
If he didn't want man and woman to eat it, he should have made it broccoli or spinach.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

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  1. Z

    "We have grown in numbers, wealth and power, as no other nation has ever grown. But we have forgotten God. We have forgotten the gracious hand which preserved us in peace, and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us; and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own. Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us! "

    Done at the City of Washington, this thirtieth day of March, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and of the Independence of the United States the eighty seventh.

    By the President: Abraham Lincoln

    June 6, 2011 at 1:40 pm |
  2. Samantha

    Actually, the Bible does talk sparing the rod and spoiling the child. It does not say that adage verbatim, but it is a good transliteration of it. See: Proverbs 13:24, Proverbs 22:15, Proverbs 29:15.

    June 6, 2011 at 1:39 pm |
  3. beans

    Say what you want and believe what you want. Your interpretation of the bible is different than a believers. When you know who God is in your life, nothing or no one can change that. You think that your comments can change our faith? God is MUCH LARGER than you can comprehend. Faith is believing without seeing. It's funny how some people can believe in soo many other things and yet never seen. (Ex. ALieNs hahahaha) fools......... The bible says to pray for people like you. Scoffers.....DisBelievers......Hard hearted people....... I hope and pray that you will will come to know that truth before your time ends. Some sooner than others...... I would rather live a life of peace and joy and be wrong, than to live a life of emptyness, hate and confusion.... and be wrong!

    June 6, 2011 at 1:38 pm |
    • richunix

      I know there is a passage somewhere in the Bible that say's "Pray for fools" as your going to need it.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:41 pm |
    • Frogist

      @beans: How can you say in "faith is believing without seeing" and in the same breath call out the people who believe but have never seen aliens as fools? If you're calling them fools, aren't you callin gyourself a fool?
      Also just wanted to say... nothing in your post speaks of peace and/or joy. It actually sounds bitter and angry.

      June 6, 2011 at 3:54 pm |
  4. marilynholter

    How many who have written really have read the Bible the Word of God. How many truely know how we got our Bibles, the Word of God. It does not surprise me that catholics do not have nor read Bibles for then they would read what our Lord has for them. Martin Luther went away from the church (catholic) for he realized in the book of Romans, it is by faith and not by works as the priets are want ones to believe that one can come to Jesus. The Bible is a love story, not of morals or ordinances. but of Gods love for us. I ask any who commented to truely read His word with an open mind. Morals????where do you think our laws came from, right from wrong, much what you see in the word of God is how we have learned to live. If Jesus came right now where would you be going? of the 21 of May. this man has made the prophesy twice before. what does the Word of God say? that is does not happen he is a false prophet and should not be listened to. I am dissappointed that more have not defended our Lord than has on this forum. Jesus said "be ashamed of Me before others, I will be ashamed of you before the Father" I am not ashamed of Jesus, I know He is the one true Son of God, He is God and as for me and my house we will follow Him.I will be in prayer have been actually for each of you who have posted and for those who have not. God bless.

    June 6, 2011 at 1:35 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Mary

      I read it more often than you.

      It is a great place to find sticks to beat the indoctrinated with.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:41 pm |
    • TayDecker

      It is sad to see that the non-believers above are missing the Joy we have in our hearts. I am so grateful to my Lord for truley seeking me in my darkest times. A blessing these people have not allowed into their lives. The good news? this is a gift of GRACE that He will if allowed bless them with. " I have told you all this so that you may have peace in me. Here on earth you will have many trials and sorrows. But take heart, because I have overcome the world. John 16:33. Un believers- could you imagine that your words, though they may hurt Him are not stronger than Him?

      He has the power to overcome your disbelief-

      He has the power to forgive you-

      He will LOVE you more than you could ever fathom- This is a promise- and He is faithful? How- just ask me.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:46 pm |
    • William Demuth

      TayDecker

      He will love you more than you could fathom? Is that what the preachers telll the little boys they bend over the altar whilst giving them the body of Christ?

      June 6, 2011 at 2:36 pm |
  5. sungirl

    Funny how all religions disagree with one another and all of them are hypocrites in their own right. Some say ligour is bad while others allow it even in church and especially socially. Yet they all blame other other for problems within Christianity on a whole.
    Why should we use crutches like christianity when we can simply abide by moral rules as adults. Killing, stealing, lying and adultery are just some of the things FOUND IN MOST CHURCHES TODAY. Whats the point people?? Really now, what is the point???

    June 6, 2011 at 1:34 pm |
    • Joel Bryan

      This is a good point. In Christianity, it is recognized that all people are hypocrites (we all fall short of what we should be). That is why we need God, because we are broken and can't do it on our own. When other say you're using it as a crutch, I say 'Yup, good thing to, because I got a broken leg spiritually.' That true for us all. Christianity is the only religion to say you can't do it. Other religions give people tasks to earn points. Christianity says its a gift. It recognizes man's screwed up nature. In a sense, that makes it the only truly non-hypocritical faith.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:39 pm |
    • TayDecker

      Jesus HATED religion- for those reasons you listed. I trust and believe in Him, and completely agree with you, it is very sad.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:48 pm |
    • TampaMan

      The point and the difference between all religions, dear reader, is SIN.

      No religion on earth except Chrisitanity dares to explain and provide an answer to the problem of sin in the human heart.

      Denial of sin is not a solution, nor does it sweep away it's effect. It must be examined in the clear light of logic and the blood of Jesus Christ, else there is no answer to the great question of human history: WHY?

      June 6, 2011 at 1:49 pm |
  6. TampaMan

    Those who rave of fire and brimstone are those who claim they believe it not. If not, why rant?

    Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
    Why do they say, "Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us."

    He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have THEM in derision.

    June 6, 2011 at 1:34 pm |
  7. gary

    religion is myth, god is pretend, as are dragons and trolls and leprechauns. bible is ancient folklore and legend written by middle east tribesmen no different than the sand rats of today.

    June 6, 2011 at 1:32 pm |
    • TampaMan

      You speak as a spoiled child and know nothing of religion, except the mocking of it. The ideology of the heart and mind is that upon which civilizations are built. Before a mighty empire falls, its religion and its philosophy must first be destroyed by the conceited, the arrogant, the unjust, the debauched and the perpetually self-indulgent.

      The foolish know not that the edifice they pull down will fall upon their own heads, but the Lord will preserve the righteous.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:43 pm |
  8. Raven of Rime

    On influence...
    Truth be told, religion has done many deeds in the world; good AND bad.
    You have the crusades, on the other hand, you have several kind acts that have gone unnoticed (charity, donations, etc.).
    Although, good deeds aren't always driven by religion...
    And let us not forget that NOT EVERY pope in history was a shining example to his followers. (Just putting it out there.)

    On meanings...
    Over time, the wisdom of most the writing have been lost in translation.
    For those seeking the true clarity, remember this...
    Interpretation- in its many forms- is the malicious
    friend, and beneficial foe of all souls, period.

    And on being right or wrong...
    Stop bickering! This is the cause of many of the world's social problems.
    Regardless of your disposition...
    If our people cannot come to order, how will we be able to interact a completely alien (as in extraterrestrial) people unfamiliar to us?

    June 6, 2011 at 1:31 pm |
    • richunix

      How will we meet extraterrestrial : We will shoot first (and second), then maybe we will ask a few questions?

      June 6, 2011 at 1:39 pm |
    • William Demuth

      richunix

      My guess is if we find them, we EAT them, so if they find us, I suspect I shall be lathered in hollondaise!

      June 6, 2011 at 1:43 pm |
  9. religion and science

    Religion is based entirely on faith, not evidence. Belief based entirely on evidence is science. Religious people can be selectively scientific but true scientists (as a philosophy or way-of-life) can never be religious and would always fall under the category of Agnostic, acknowledging that a god might exist but at this time, evidence is not supportive of that assertion. A true scientist will never be afraid to say "I don't know" or review new evidence to challenge any held belief. Open-mindedness in this way is the only way to achieve tolerance and facilitate harmony among people with divergent beliefs. It is our future as a species if we are survive ourselves.

    June 6, 2011 at 1:30 pm |
    • Sean

      Well said.

      June 6, 2011 at 2:56 pm |
  10. ficheye

    Where are the miracles? I see no quote in the bible telling us that god only had so many miracles he would give us. We are certainly in need of some. How about god cleaning up the mess in Fukushima? Oh, right. Too tawdry. God isn't going to be that obvious. How about cleaning up all of the garbage in the ocean, or giving us an endless, free energy source? Not going to happen.

    WE, are god, ladies and gentlemen. Energy cannot be created or destroyed. It is just changed as far as its composition. We have always been, we will always be. It all flies in the face of both religion and atheism. There will be no heaven or hell save that which we make on this earth. You will be coming back to this mess you have made. Think about that.

    June 6, 2011 at 1:28 pm |
    • Uniquitous

      I love your logic. I would go one step further. God created you. You are the miracle the world needs. Please pick any one of the things you mentioned and make a difference. God works his miracles though others. Would you let Him use you to perform miracles? Please.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:36 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Uniquitous

      You got it backwards, it was WE who created God.

      Furhtermore, we shall reject the Jesus manifestation, just as we have rejected all the bogus Gods before.

      All that really matters is how we minimize the damage Christianity causes, until such time as humanity out grows it.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:46 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      > I love your logic. I would go one step further. God created you.

      Not proven, pure assumption. Furthermore, God is a poor engineer if he created us with all of our flaws.

      > You are the miracle the world needs. Please pick any one of the things you mentioned and make a difference. God works his miracles though others.

      So what you're saying is that God makes people do good things, making him totally indistinguishable from people doing good things on their own. And you believe this on the basis of text. Do you see how silly a statement this is?

      I'm God. I insipire people to do good things, so you should worship me by my new name "Bobinator"

      Now here's the point. There is just as much evidence to support what I have written above as the bible. Chew on that.

      > Would you let Him use you to perform miracles? Please.

      Allow me to translate. Would you do something that I percieve as good so that I can attribute your hard work to a being that I beleive exists for no logical reason.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:49 pm |
  11. Idontthinkso

    Is anyone out here posting familiar with the "Celestial Teapot"? or "Bertrand's Teapot". Look it up.
    It will give everyone here an insight to what the atheist's are talking about.

    June 6, 2011 at 1:28 pm |
    • tommas

      I don't believe in a teapot, only the fsm!

      June 6, 2011 at 1:29 pm |
    • Idontthinkso

      Now there's a monster I could worship!

      June 6, 2011 at 2:05 pm |
  12. EricB

    I have read and studied the bible as well, but you have to remember that the author (being God), inspired men of all backgrounds through his holy spirit (not a being, but the spirit likened to the electricity in a battery) as instruction for all humanity as a guide with commandments that are really burden free, out of love for us he gives us each the choice to serve him on our own choice. remember he created everything, he could have destroyed satan, but that would have proved nothing. being his sovereignty challenged not his power, he left to us a book of instruction with specific instructions to lean upon him and not our own understanding (Proverbs 3: 5) try praying to God through his sons name in all earnestness from the heart and he will answer.

    June 6, 2011 at 1:27 pm |
    • gary

      deut 23:1 was the word of god? Pervert! God is pretend, bible is just myth and legend; fairytale

      June 6, 2011 at 1:34 pm |
    • RAWoD

      The author was a collection of men. They were scamming the rest of humanity.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:35 pm |
    • BradLW

      Electricity is not "spirit" matter; try again.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:38 pm |
    • Uniquitous

      I'm with you Eric. But I think you just lost the crowd you are trying to reach. That was a little too deep for them to get from a blog post. Try swimming a little shallower and you might have better luck rescuing some of the drowning.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:38 pm |
    • no balls or rod

      If God is an intangible spirit, why are so many convinced it has balls and a rod and that "man" was created in "his" image? Why were women supposedly created as an afterthought out of a bit of Adam's rib to be a plaything and maid for men? Why did god have a "son" who was created from a virgin birth?

      People do take the Bible literally and it has kept half the human population under its influence a slave. I reject the notion that a "superior being" has balls and a rod and that women are inferior to any human possing a Y chromosome. The Bible was created in the effort to wield control over people and it has been (and continues to be) immensely successful. The great power of which you speak is called electromagnetic radiation and it does fuel all life on this planet as well as influence everything in the galaxy. However, it has no consciousness and worship of it has expanded from beaches and tanning salons to solar panels, nuclear medicine and power. Let's drop the balls and a rod and more correctly "worship" the elements all around us as we appreciate and use them responsibly.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:41 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      > I have read and studied the bible as well, but you have to remember that the author (being God), inspired men of all backgrounds through his holy spirit (not a being, but the spirit likened to the electricity in a battery)

      Like how Zeus inspired the Greeks? Like how Shiva inspired the Hindus? They also have holy books.

      > as instruction for all humanity as a guide with commandments that are really burden free,

      Except taking time out of your finite life to worship God. I mean, a God worthy of praise would not want it.

      > out of love for us he gives us each the choice to serve him on our own choice.

      No, he commands that we serve him. If we don't, we are punished. That's not love, that's a dictatorship. Your viewpoint has been so skewed by religion you can't even see what is an isn't reasonable. If he loved us and is all powerful, why do we need to do anything for him?

      > remember he created everything, he could have destroyed satan, but that would have proved nothing.

      Yes, how else would God allow the torture and humiliation of a man on a bet if he destroyed Satan.

      > being his sovereignty challenged not his power, he left to us a book of instruction with specific instructions to lean upon him and not our own understanding (Proverbs 3: 5) try praying to God through his sons name in all earnestness from the heart and he will answer.

      Not being able to understand God is the biggest catch-all of all time. Something doesn't make sense? You can't understand God. God acts evil? You can't understand God so it must be good. Tell me, how can you know a being, how can you make claims about a being if you can't understand it?

      Your thinking has been muddled by religion. You see punishment for lacking to comply as a good thing. You ignore parts of the bible where God tortures people, or commands genocide. You see the scapegoating of an individual in a blood sacrifice as righteous.

      I'm going to phrase this as nicely as I possibly can. Until you think for yourself and judge God based on your own intellect, you'll never be able to really think intelligently about your faith. The truth has nothing to fear from inquiry, so why would God not want you to think about his actions.

      Think about it.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:44 pm |
    • JDH

      So god inspired the guys to write the books, and inspired the guys that picked which books were going to go in, then inspired the guys who translated it from the original language it was in to english and other languages all the while keeping the original message intact. That is some feat. Sorry but I don't believe that the book we call the bible today was written by any god and I don't understand how people can say it is truth and all that. The first book of the bible contradicts itself. It tells two versions of the creation story. How can this book be so true when it describes one event happening two separate ways?

      June 6, 2011 at 1:44 pm |
    • William Demuth

      EricB

      If you actually believe God responds to your prayers, then you must also assume you are able to communicate with Napoleon?

      What you describe is clearly mental illness, or just an over inflated sense of self worth!

      Check it out everyone, EricB thinks he has the ruler of time space and dimension at his beck and call

      June 6, 2011 at 1:49 pm |
  13. Ibegtodiffer

    people being wrong about God is NOT the same thing as God being wrong. go ahead and shoot the messenger if it makes you feel better, but the Message remains.

    June 6, 2011 at 1:25 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      Trying to invalidate an atheist argument by presupposing a God exists? I don' t think that will work.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:36 pm |
  14. Bret

    This may be more useless than the article was

    June 6, 2011 at 1:23 pm |
  15. jason

    If Christianity truly is right then what this means is that 3/4 of the human population, about 5 billion people, will automatically be condemned to eternal agony and torture, in hell, for not believing in the Christian god and adhering to Christian tenets. For most of these people, their only crime was being born into the wrong belief system. Yet you claim that Jesus has an "incredible" love for us (humanity). Please take the time to consider how absurd it really is to call this "love." If this is your god's idea of love then he has a morally bankrupt, and perverse point of view.

    June 6, 2011 at 1:22 pm |
    • Joel Bryan

      I don't understand how my car works. I think I'll stop using it.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:23 pm |
    • Sean

      Your car will work whether you believe it will or not.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:25 pm |
    • tommas

      Everyone is going to someone else's he ll

      June 6, 2011 at 1:26 pm |
    • Bret

      Jason, you're not taking into account Grace. We don't know the extent of it, but we do know that someone would have to actually reject the gospel to damn themselves to an eternity in Hell. Those that have never heard and are devout in their religion, in my opinion, may very well find themselves in Heaven.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:26 pm |
    • Normon

      @Joel Bryan,
      If you don't understand the steering wheel, gas pedal, and brake, then perhaps you shouldn't.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:26 pm |
    • Joel Bryan

      Norman, yup! That my point, but it still works for those of us that choose to use it inspite of other walking away from it.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:30 pm |
    • J0sh

      @ Bret – The same book you get the mere concept of heaven from (the Bible) clearly states that unless one accepts Jesus, they will not see the kingdom of heaven. You can't pick and choose which verses to follow and which ones not to. This means – as stated – approximately three quarters of the earth's population is doomed to 'eternal hellfire' by their so-called "loving" god. It may be warming to think that honest, moral people of other cultures will still somehow go to heaven, but if you believe in the bible, you cannot sincerely believe this.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:44 pm |
    • Uniquitous

      No one can say who is condemned or not. (though I am sure some of us would like to) That decision rests solely with the Father. Ours is but to share the word and let the holy spirit do the rest. If anyone chooses to reject it, it will be up to them to give an account on their day of judgement. To all you atheists. No one is judging you. We simply want you to know what we know and make an informed decision. Think of it as a warning of a tsunami. If all the people running up and down the beach yelling "tsunami!" were Christians, would you listen? Or would you wait until you saw the wall of water before your eyes? Maybe, just maybe, something has been revealed to those that believe. And maybe, just maybe, there is something you could learn.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:45 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Dude.

      Imagine Allah is right?

      I guess the Christian Clergy is where he is gonna get the virg*ns for his Jihadists?

      Boy toys for Muslims! Truly hell for their lying rear ends!

      June 6, 2011 at 1:51 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @Uniquitous,
      "We simply want you to know what we know and make an informed decision."
      You want us to know what you *believe*, that does not equate to an informed decision.

      "Think of it as a warning of a tsunami."
      Weak analogy. There is evidence that tsunamis have happened and may happen again, i.e. they exist. Not so with your claim.

      June 6, 2011 at 2:00 pm |
    • Cedar Rapids

      'Joel Bryan
      I don't understand how my car works. I think I'll stop using it.'
      If it threatens to punish you for driving other cars then you should.

      June 6, 2011 at 2:27 pm |
  16. Mason

    Amanda is completely wrong. A lot of good came from religion. For instance, she wouldn't exist without religion.

    June 6, 2011 at 1:22 pm |
    • jason

      How does a person owe their existence to religion??

      June 6, 2011 at 1:24 pm |
    • Mason

      There's probably a 99% chance that the chain of events that lead to their ancestors birth wouldn't have happened without the involvement of organized religion. It's a "fate" sort of thing, but in a more logical way. It's even more so if she happens to be an American.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:26 pm |
    • Cedar Rapids

      I'll bite. Explain how she would not exist without religion.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:27 pm |
    • tommas

      Wow, that is a scarily dumb statement... I guess no one existed before 6,000 years ago.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:27 pm |
    • tommas

      OK, in that sense of altered history you are certainly correct...

      June 6, 2011 at 1:28 pm |
    • Nonimus

      This type of thinking is idiotic.
      There is a 75% chance that I could have been born in open water (~75% of the earth is water) and drown, oh boy was I lucky. It must have been fate.

      There's also a slim chance she would have been born if Alexander the Great were never born, or Socrates, etc., etc.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:35 pm |
    • Nonimus

      The point is that the exact same person may not have been born, but the would be another person thinking, "wow, if Christianity would have existed, then she would have been born instead of me."

      June 6, 2011 at 1:38 pm |
    • Nonimus

      Not to mention the 1 billion+ Hindus who can say the same thing about Hinduism.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:42 pm |
    • Nonimus

      I would never have been born if Prohibition had never been repealed. My parents "hooked up" at a bar.
      Thank the Almighty Alcohol, the great equalizer! Go forth and multiply.
      Praise Booze!

      June 6, 2011 at 1:47 pm |
    • Mason

      Don't be idiots... Organized religion caused millions of people to be displaced, forcibly or by freewill. There are over 300 million sperm released at once in one ejaculation, the slightest change in area can determine which one reaches the egg. Also, many went to America for religious tolerance, if religion hadn't existed there's a good chance their ancestors would have stayed in Europe and have had a different child, possibly with a different spouse. Oh, and let's not forget civil wars. Without the establishment of Catholicism a lot of people's ancestors would have died from that as well. Don't assume I'm an idiot, you're just close-minded.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:52 pm |
    • Mason

      And I probably shoulda read the other comments before attacking, my bad 😉

      June 6, 2011 at 1:53 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @Mason,
      You can make the exact same argument for any significant change in history.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:55 pm |
  17. ShaneB

    Universal Truth:
    Lobbing insults in a forum certainly isn't going to give anyone an epiphany.

    June 6, 2011 at 1:18 pm |
    • Vulpes

      Wait! ... Your right!!! I should have seen that all along.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:21 pm |
    • ShaneB

      Yet amazingly, it still goes on.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:22 pm |
  18. Vulpes

    What amuses me the most are comments by the faithful who become defensive that people misquote the bible. Biblical "literalist" often have an issue when discussing the flaws in the bible because in their minds it's perfect. However, these literal saying described in this article are clearly not in the bible. Now suddenly, we can interpret the bible. They want it both ways.

    June 6, 2011 at 1:17 pm |
    • Joel Bryan

      Did you read the article? It pointed out that those of us drinking decaf and eating brownies while having bible studies were to ignorant to know the truth. Who's sounding elitist and acting like the common man can't read it and interpret it for him/herself?

      June 6, 2011 at 1:26 pm |
    • Vulpes

      @Joel Bryan: I did read the article. He did not say people could not interpret the writings on the bible on their own.
      He is saying that we can see the results of biblical ignorance in forums like the ones he describes. My point was the bible needs interpretation with context to make an informed conclusion. Their are those who say otherwise and whose arguments do not hold water.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:53 pm |
    • Joel Bryan

      Most of the people in Bible studies sit under Biblical teaching of a seminary graduate at least once a week. Still, mistakes are made, but that's the reason for 'iron sharpens iron'. In other words, by studying it together people point out the flaws in logic to each other and help the Truth to be more clearly seen. 'More' because humanity is limited not 'omni' anything. So we get things wrong, but thats the reason we keep trying. We keep studying. Mocking such groups or belittling them with the 'decaf coffee and brownies' comment was wrong of the quoted scholor and the writer of this article.

      June 6, 2011 at 2:09 pm |
  19. Kara

    Really, I think the bigger issue here is not what is miss-quoted or correctly quoted... I think that there are those that are too serious when it comes to religion and those who are not serious enough. You have to have a sense of humor when it comes to religion no matter how strongly devoted you are and those of you with no devotion... you need to be a bit more empathetic. Jump down of your high horse and just go with the flow, but still believe in whatever it is you believe. Other than that... what is the big deal? Who cares if it was "miss-quoted". Learn to think and read for yourselves people. This is how so many lost their entire life savings earlier this year...and for those who think the end is coming in the fall or even next winter... um... you might want to learn to read and think for yourself as that is not predicted ANYWHERE!

    June 6, 2011 at 1:17 pm |
    • LuvnJesus

      Kara, you are on point with your comments (and I VERY STRONGLY AM A CHRISTIAN). God wants us to LIVE life to its fullest, and that does include humor. We all need to read and study the Bible for ourselves, and the Bible declares that also. Nowhere does the Bible state that a person should only take the word of a "religious leader". If one would read the Bible, it can be discovered that "religious leaders" have always been the problem. Jesus came to teach us how to live. Just as He came to lead people to His Father, leaders should be leading the congregation to their Father (God).

      June 6, 2011 at 1:27 pm |
  20. NATALIE GAINES

    LET THEM RAVE ON... AT THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST ...before eternal damnation and the 'lake of fire", they'll have time to remember their denial and an eternity to regret!! AMEN!!

    June 6, 2011 at 1:17 pm |
    • Vulpes

      That will happen in September now ... right? 😉

      June 6, 2011 at 1:18 pm |
    • Cedar Rapids

      'before eternal damnation and the 'lake of fire",'
      in his love and mercy right?

      June 6, 2011 at 1:21 pm |
    • spacerabbit

      There is no lake of fire natalie, only the cold hatred that you spew from your heart disguised as a peaceful religion.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:25 pm |
    • Joel Bryan

      Cedar Rapid, In His mercy He offered you a lifepreserver. You didn't want it.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:28 pm |
    • LuvnJesus

      @Cedar Rapids & spacerabbit – God is full of love and mercy. People, not God confuse the sin with sinners. God HATES sin, not sinners, hence the purpose of His love & mercy. There WILL come a day of judgment, just like when you are disobedient to your parents, nothing may happen to you immediately, but keep on being disobedient... MAN has always caused war because he does not want to act in Love as God commands. True Christianity is peaceful...

      June 6, 2011 at 1:32 pm |
    • k

      @cedar rapids – yes God is merciful and love but He is also holy and just. He has to punish sin thats why he is warning us to turn away from our sins and accept Him as our savior 🙂 Have a nice day btw God cares about you. You might find it hard to beleive, but the very reason you are here is because of his mercy

      June 6, 2011 at 1:34 pm |
    • SeanNJ

      @k: If what you propose were true, I would think it would be much more merciful to simply not create people at all.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:44 pm |
    • k

      @SeanNJ: don't you want a family of our own or someone to talk to or connect wth. God created us in Hs image therefore we have a soul and a spirit. In other words He created us for intimacy.

      June 6, 2011 at 1:52 pm |
    • William Demuth

      NATALIE GAINES

      Is the Great Pumpkin coming with him?

      June 6, 2011 at 1:53 pm |
    • William Demuth

      K

      I can assure you I was not created in the image of some scrawny Palestinian!

      June 6, 2011 at 1:54 pm |
    • SeanNJ

      Forgot to hit "Reply" the first time...

      @k: You said, "don't you want a family of our own or someone to talk to or connect wth. God created us in Hs image therefore we have a soul and a spirit. In other words He created us for intimacy."

      Ummmm, if I had never been created, then I wouldn't know what I was missing, would I...

      Besides, I'll take oblivion over an eternity of torment that I received just because the all-knowing god that created me knew everything else except that I wasn't going to believe he existed.

      None of this makes you think of anything except more apologies and excuses, does it. Sad.

      June 6, 2011 at 2:02 pm |
    • BradLW

      How sad that you apparently believe that your "loving" god will condemn billions of people to an "everlasting lake of fire" and torture them for eternity. Sounds like a vengeful god to me; but that can't be correct because your god is supposedly all powerful, as well as all knowing, and knew from the "beginning" everything that was to transpire.

      The blind shall not see, the deaf shall not hear, and the mute shall not speak; but all will be condemned, by a "loving" god, to everlasting fiery torment! Yeah; that makes a lot of sense!(NOT!!!)

      June 6, 2011 at 2:29 pm |
    • Cedar Rapids

      oh please.....hates the sin, not the sinners, he has to punish, he is just.
      Rubbish, total and utter nonsense. If he punishes the sinners for sinning then he hates the sinners. There is nothing just in condemning someone to a supposed eternity of pain because they did not believe in a god, heck thats just ego. And why does he have to punish? For what possible purpose does any god need to create a punishment system for life? What would be the point?

      June 6, 2011 at 2:32 pm |
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