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My Take: Bible condemns a lot, so why focus on homosexuality?
June 21st, 2011
10:10 AM ET

My Take: Bible condemns a lot, so why focus on homosexuality?

Editor's Note: Jonathan Dudley is the author of Broken Words: The Abuse of Science and Faith in American Politics.

By Jonathan Dudley, Special to CNN

Growing up in the evangelical community, I learned the Bible’s stance on homosexuality is clear-cut. God condemns it, I was taught, and those who disagree just haven’t read their Bibles closely enough.

Having recently graduated from Yale Divinity School, I can say that my childhood community’s approach to gay rights—though well intentioned—is riddled with self-serving double standards.

I don’t doubt that the one New Testament author who wrote on the subject of male-male intercourse thought it a sin. In Romans 1, the only passage in the Bible where a reason is explicitly given for opposing same-sex relations, the Apostle Paul calls them “unnatural.”

Problem is, Paul’s only other moral argument from nature is the following: “Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair, it is degrading to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory?” (1 Corinthians 11:14-15).

Few Christians would answer that question with a “yes.”

In short, Paul objects to two things as unnatural: one is male-male sex and the other is long hair on men and short hair on women. The community opposed to gay marriage takes one condemnation as timeless and universal and the other as culturally relative.

I also don’t doubt that those who advocate gay marriage are advocating a revision of the Christian tradition.

But the community opposed to gay marriage has itself revised the Christian tradition in a host of ways. For the first 1500 years of Christianity, for example, marriage was deemed morally inferior to celibacy. When a theologian named Jovinian challenged that hierarchy in 390 A.D. — merely by suggesting that marriage and celibacy might be equally worthwhile endeavors — he was deemed a heretic and excommunicated from the church.

How does that sit with “family values” activism today?

Yale New Testament professor Dale B. Martin has noted that today’s "pro-family" activism, despite its pretense to be representing traditional Christian values, would have been considered “heresy” for most of the church’s history.

The community opposed to gay marriage has also departed from the Christian tradition on another issue at the heart of its social agenda: abortion.

Unbeknownst to most lay Christians, the vast majority of Christian theologians and saints throughout history have not believed life begins at conception.

Although he admitted some uncertainty on the matter, the hugely influential 4th and 5th century Christian thinker Saint Augustine wrote, “it could not be said that there was a living soul in [a] body” if it is “not yet endowed with senses.”

Thomas Aquinas, a Catholic saint and a giant of mediaeval theology, argued: “before the body has organs in any way whatever, it cannot be receptive of the soul.”

American evangelicals, meanwhile, widely opposed the idea that life begins at conception until the 1970s, with some even advocating looser abortion laws based on their reading of the Bible before then.

It won’t do to oppose gay marriage because it’s not traditional while advocating other positions that are not traditional.

And then there’s the topic of divorce. Although there is only one uncontested reference to same-sex relations in the New Testament, divorce is condemned throughout, both by Jesus and Paul. To quote Jesus from the Gospel of Mark: “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery.”

A possible exception is made only for unfaithfulness.

The community most opposed to gay marriage usually reads these condemnations very leniently. A 2007 issue of Christianity Today, for example, featured a story on its cover about divorce that concluded that Christians should permit divorce for “adultery,” “emotional and physical neglect” and “abandonment and abuse.”

The author emphasizes how impractical it would be to apply a strict interpretation of Jesus on this matter: “It is difficult to believe the Bible can be as impractical as this interpretation implies.”

Indeed it is.

On the other hand, it’s not at all difficult for a community of Christian leaders, who are almost exclusively white, heterosexual men, to advocate interpretations that can be very impractical for a historically oppressed minority to which they do not belong – homosexuals.

Whether the topic is hair length, celibacy, when life begins, or divorce, time and again, the leaders most opposed to gay marriage have demonstrated an incredible willingness to consider nuances and complicating considerations when their own interests are at stake.

Since graduating from seminary, I no longer identify with the evangelical community of my youth. The community gave me many fond memories and sound values but it also taught me to take the very human perspectives of its leaders and attribute them to God.

So let’s stop the charade and be honest.

Opponents of gay marriage aren’t defending the Bible’s values. They’re using the Bible to defend their own.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Jonathan Dudley.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Bible • Christianity • Homosexuality • Opinion

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  1. Muneef

    Few points about subject;
    A) God has allowed us in Islam to divorce although hated by him and therefore allowed us to marry more than one and up to four if we capable of being justly with them as equal.

    “The most hated Halal by Allah  is divorce.”

    According to Al-Khattabi, An-Nawawi, Ibn Hajr and others, this hadith refers to divorcing a woman without a reason (sabab). In other words, to divorce a woman without a reason angers Allah , even though it is Halal. Abu Dawud placed this hadith beneath the chapter heading “Regarding the Hated status of Divorce”. This hadith is warning the believers that divorce is not a game, or a ‘word’ to be thrown around when having a marital spat. The fact is, divorce tears families apart, can leave children with emotional scars, hurt and damage the family structure as a whole. So the believers should be wary, that this “Halal” act is hated by Allah  is abused or misused.

    B) Relations between same $ex was condemned as explained to us in the story of Lut (Lot) ;
    http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Articles/Prophet/lut.htm

    C) It is not about the hair as much as it for the way they dress.
     Major signs of the last day;
    • “Women would dress like men”, and we already see them today with trousers, jacket and, perhaps, a tie; and “women would be dressed and yet be naked”.

    • “Men would dress like women”, and already this sign also has come to pass. Almost no one can tell that ‘she’, the so-called ‘crossdresser’, is really a man; 
    http://www.imranhosein.org/articles/signs-of-the-last-day/76-ten-major-signs-of-the-last-day-has-one-just-occurred.html

    D) Celibacy is not a choice in Islam
    "Marriage is half of the religion to a man".
    The Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) said:
    "When a man marries, he has fulfilled half of his religion, so let him fear Allah regarding the remaining half."
    http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/390/
     

    June 21, 2011 at 9:06 pm |
    • Eric G

      "When a man marries, he has fulfilled half of his religion, so let him fear Allah regarding the remaining half."

      Interesting........ Perhaps there is something in your post that will help you to understand my position a little better.

      I am married with two great children. My family is my reason for living.
      But......
      I fear nothing. I may anticipate threats and take action to avoid them, but I "fear" nothing.

      Well, maybe clowns........ but that's about it.

      June 21, 2011 at 9:57 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Clowns are nasty!

      June 21, 2011 at 10:09 pm |
    • step

      "fear Allah" usually refers to the Arabic word "taqwa", which is better translated as being "God-conscious".

      June 21, 2011 at 11:39 pm |
    • Muneef

      Eric G.

      Hi friend it is the other half that is most difficult and not all understand well...
      Keep on fearing nothing but God,keep on remembering him at good times before hard times....God will always be beside you protecting you and your family...
      After all no one is complete and perfect....

      June 22, 2011 at 8:49 am |
    • LetsThink123

      Hi Muneef,
      so where is this god u speak of? if something good happens in ur life, u thank god. if something bad happens, it's a 'test' from god or is gods plan.
      also, with your 4 wives, is there a reason why a woman in islam cannot have 4 husbands provided she treats them equal? why is it only one way?
      also, how is muhammad a prophet if he slept with a 9yr old aisha? isnt he a pedophile then? and why did muhammad kill Asma bint Marwan when she opposed him? why would a prophet kill and sleep with 9 yr olds? doesn't sound like a prophet to me.

      July 20, 2011 at 4:37 pm |
  2. DNAbro

    Some of the people here make me so mad. When someone shows you a different point of view, you automatically say "he is wrong, he twisted the words, he is lying." Ever think you might be wrong?

    June 21, 2011 at 9:02 pm |
    • Eric G

      No.

      Just kidding!!! I welcome new evidence that contradicts my current world view. It is the only way to further our understanding of our universe and each other. Unfortunately, I have asked, repeatedly on these blogs for any verifiable evidence supporting gods existence and none has been presented. I am still open to the idea, if anyone wants to step up to the plate....

      June 21, 2011 at 9:49 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Hey Eric , you ever get around to reading Uncle Toms Cabin. 🙂

      Nice to see you are back on your meds

      Your black Republican friend ...... Tom :d

      June 21, 2011 at 9:53 pm |
    • Mace

      Eric G. Organic chemistry proves the existence of God for me. The way we believe in scientific theory, atoms and molecules, makes it easy to believe in the theories of religion, they are equally as "out there"
      Also I am a Christian that supports gay rights and am proud to be a part of the ELCA (evangelical Lutheran church of America) that recently passed a bill allowing gay pastors to preach in our churches. Of course we always had gay pastors, but now they can feel safe and loved if they choose to come out. Christianity to me is about showing love and seeing God in everyone. When I see tolerance, acceptance, empathy, and love, I know God exsists.

      June 21, 2011 at 11:02 pm |
    • Free

      Mace
      "Organic chemistry proves the existence of God for me."
      Pulling all-nighters and moaning "God, why can't I get this?" does not actually prove the existence of God. However, I considered passing organic chemistry on my first try a fair candidate for a miracle at the time. 🙂

      June 22, 2011 at 12:21 am |
  3. BunchOfIdiots

    I find it hilarious and amusing that you bible thumpers who call gay disgusting and immoral don't recal that if we all did truly come from Adam and Eve, we were all a product of incest. Incest is disgusting and immoral and so are you so called Christians who are supposed to be forgiving and understanding and not judgmental. Guess what? Straight men and women abuse each other, give birth to children they cant take care of, children they beat and brain wash and don't raise well. Straight people, like your stupid republican idiots that you fondle over because they use their religion in their campaign attempts at brain washing, cheat on their wives, are caught in prostiitution rings, steal, lie and abuse their way through life.
    You brain wash your gay children (because yes, they are BORN that way) into thunking there is something wrong with them and by doing some hail marys and praying will make them better. Ask yourself this: Would a CHILD choose to be gay in this society knowing that all around them are people who are going to judge and insult and down right hate them? They go through school being beat on and mistreated and cast out like they had the plague. Do you truly honestly believe someone would chose that?

    Think for yourselves for once in your life and use common freaking sense before spewing your uneducated and brain washed thoughts at people you know nothing about.

    June 21, 2011 at 9:00 pm |
    • Scott

      You ask the impossible. If they had any kind of “common freaking sense” they wouldn’t be “bible thumpers” in the first place

      June 21, 2011 at 9:46 pm |
    • CatholicMom

      BunchOfIdiots,

      http://youtu.be/K0sILSapUUc the Church and Ho-mo-s3xuals

      June 21, 2011 at 10:32 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @BunchOfIdiots

      You said: "Would a CHILD choose to be gay in this society knowing that all around them are people who are going to judge and insult and down right hate them? They go through school being beat on and mistreated and cast out like they had the plague. Do you truly honestly believe someone would chose that?"

      It is still not clear to what extent ho_mo$exuality in humans or other animals is genetic rather than, say, due to hormonal extremes during embryonic development.
      http://www.newscientist.com/.../dn13674-evolution-myths-natural-selection-cannot -explain-ho_mo$exuality.html

      But what studies are NOT finding, is that being gay is a choice.

      A study done by scientists at the Karolinska Inst_itute in Sweden found that the brain development of gay men more closely resembled the brain structure of straight women, and the brain structure of gay women more closely resembled the brain structure of straight men. Source: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1815538,00.html

      When gays are asked, they say, as you have said, being gay is not a choice.

      Believers choose not to believe them, since it would be hard to blame a person who suffers from a birth defect.

      Cheers!

      June 21, 2011 at 10:39 pm |
    • Free

      David Johnson
      "When gays are asked, they say, as you have said, being gay is not a choice.

      Believers choose not to believe them, since it would be hard to blame a person who suffers from a birth defect."

      Interesting that they should not take the word of those who experience this while maintaining that we should take their word when it comes to their claim that they are actually in contact with God. More of the same ol' pick and choose, I suppose?

      June 22, 2011 at 12:05 am |
  4. fred

    Dudley misquoted the Bible and turned the truth into a lie. Most people reading his post really don’t care that Dudley lied about what the bible says. Being a “graduate of Yale divinity” we must assume he did this on purpose. So we know he is intentionally trying to lead Christians in the wrong direction or simply attack their belief system. Always question someone who spouts the bible to support or oppose a position that common sense tells you would offend a Holy God. Do not forget this is a holiness so pure that even Moses and Abraham could not look directly on God. This is pure goodness perfected, none are greater or more holy than God. Now put your stuff before a holy God and if He were to wink at your nonsense justifications for your behavior you can bet it is not God.

    June 21, 2011 at 8:45 pm |
    • TOdd

      You didn't refute anything he said though,

      June 21, 2011 at 9:26 pm |
    • Sybaris

      Well so what Fred. Your Jesus man lied in Matthew when he talked about Noah and the flood. There was no flood. If your Jesus man was the omniscient being he was described to be then he would have known that. Sorry, the evidence points to the alleged Jesus just being an Essene priest who developed a savior complex and agitated the wrong Roman.

      June 21, 2011 at 9:31 pm |
    • Eric G

      @Sybaris: "You agitated the wrong Roman!"

      Priceless!!!
      I can just hear Bruce Willis saying that in the movie version.

      June 21, 2011 at 10:05 pm |
  5. Believer

    This fella needs find his way. You either believe what is writing in the Bible or stop citing it. Don't You twist the words in there.

    June 21, 2011 at 8:12 pm |
    • JF

      That's his entire point. Believe/follow the whole Bible or don't. You can't pick and choose. People pick to believe the parts that defend their prejudices and ignore the ones that don't

      June 21, 2011 at 8:15 pm |
    • Blessed Geek

      You are are "bible believer". Unfortunately, you have no idea what is scriptural analysis and hence you have no idea what you are believing in the bible.

      June 21, 2011 at 8:46 pm |
    • fred

      Bessed Geek, the article takes a reference Paul made to Corinth and twists it. The usage is not correct from any point of view.

      June 21, 2011 at 8:56 pm |
    • TOdd

      So I am to assume you do not believe in divorce,eating sea food and you believe in owning slaves. Good for you.

      June 21, 2011 at 9:29 pm |
    • Scott

      Don't have to twist the bible. It's pretty twisted all on it's own
      Blessed be the Lord, my rock, who teaches my hands to wage war, and my fingers to do battle.–The Bible, Psalms 144:1

      June 26, 2011 at 9:00 pm |
  6. hdd3

    Forget the Bible for a moment and look at this logically. Why is it ok to use a part of the human body as an entry for hard objects (like a p**nis) when it is designed exclusively for expelling relatively soft body waste? The tissues down there are not designed for that kind of activity no matter how much people deceive themselves into believing it is normal.
    Most people find the smell of body waste offensive and will not drink toilet water since they understand it is filthy. However, I am considered intolerant, a bigot etc. for saying people who lick between someone's legs need consider if they are on the verge of insanity.

    June 21, 2011 at 8:11 pm |
    • Eric G

      Wow! Can you believe that hdd3 is still single!

      June 21, 2011 at 8:39 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Why can't peope, such as hdd3, get past the s3x acts that straights or gays *might* engage in and understand that this is about equal rights for all – you know, the rights referred to in the USA's pledge of allegiance? Why do so many believers, and their man invented gods, worry so much about what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home? Why do so many believers worry about the non-mention of god if a ~45 second television bit, but are so willing to deny others the same rights that they enjoy – you know, the the rights refferred to in the USA's pledge of allegiance? It appears to me that the "form" of worshipping a non-ent!ty is more important the "function" of equal rights.

      June 21, 2011 at 8:53 pm |
    • fred

      HotAirAce, stop with the bible bashing. Marriage does not make ones behavior natural any more than being single makes behavior unnatural. There is a percentage of the population that likes animal stuff and yes the bible says its wrong. Forget the bible and know that marriage would not make that right either.

      June 21, 2011 at 9:08 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      @fred

      Speaking the truth is not bashing. Unfortunately, your truth does not match my truth, but we both have a right to our views and to express them, and I fully intend to express mine regardless of what you think. If you do not like my views – tough – don't read them! if you don't want your views to be challenged, don't express them. If you do express the, expect to be challenged.

      The word "marriage" is not the exclusive domain of christianity or any other religion. Society, through duly elected representatives and duly enacted laws, get to determine what marriage means, and I hope that in the near future all will have the same rights with respect to marriage.

      But you got one thing right, we should forget the bible, and all other books of tribal mythology – it would be a huge step forward for mankind.

      June 21, 2011 at 9:18 pm |
    • Sybaris

      Oh and let's not forget the design of it all HDD3. The male genitalia is out there in front, extremely vulnerable AND the same organ that gives pleasure expels waste. That's not efficient, that's just stupid. No intelligent engineer in their right mind would design something like that.

      June 21, 2011 at 9:38 pm |
  7. Sybaris

    It's a good thing we don't allow same gender marriage, it keeps Britney Spears' 55 hour marriage something to admire. (I saw that somewhere)

    June 21, 2011 at 8:03 pm |
  8. Sybaris

    If the hetero's never produced murderers, rapists, and theives there'd be a point to all of this but last time I checked most prison residents came from hetero homes.

    June 21, 2011 at 8:01 pm |
  9. John Richardson

    I've seen only one of the people who are objecting to this article actually addressing any of the points the author made. And that guy called 1st century city dwellers nomads who couldn't keep long hair clean, even though most of the women and no doubt some of the men did indeed have long hair. Amazing.

    June 21, 2011 at 7:58 pm |
  10. mak

    If you are so truly convinced that you are right in your opinion You do not need the scripture or God to approve of your
    behavior. Yale Divinity School has been handing out too many B.Sss and by that I do not mean Bachelor of Science.

    June 21, 2011 at 7:58 pm |
  11. arch

    Well done sir and to the gentleman or lady who posted it's a sad day when people can post whatever, if you would like censorship of expression you can find it in North Korea, or any other country where the government denies such basic freedom.

    June 21, 2011 at 7:54 pm |
  12. Sybaris

    Here's some common sense for all the gay bashers:

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXpOA3jPC04&w=640&h=360]

    June 21, 2011 at 7:54 pm |
    • Randy M

      He has to create one. But let me ask you this. Did God create thieves, rapist, murderers, pedophiles, drunks, adulterers etc.?

      June 21, 2011 at 8:03 pm |
    • TC

      How many murderers, forncators, liars, adulterers, etc must God create before we accept? Dumb statement, right? You might want to re-think.

      June 21, 2011 at 8:08 pm |
    • TOdd

      Randy M-Actually no.The Bible teaches that is satan

      June 21, 2011 at 9:38 pm |
  13. Lairbear

    airwx

    Thanks for pointing out my mistake in regards to the difference between BC and AD.

    June 21, 2011 at 7:52 pm |
  14. StewartIII

    NewsBusters| Surprise, Surprise: CNN Belief Blog Offers Lazy, Hasty Rebuke of Biblical Condemnation of Gay Marriage
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matt-hadro/2011/06/21/surprise-surprise-cnn-belief-blog-offers-lazy-hasty-rebuke-biblical-cond

    June 21, 2011 at 7:49 pm |
  15. Sybaris

    Blah, blah, blah, Bible this, Bible that.

    When the Chevrolet lovers outnumber the Ford lovers and disolve all their marriages who'll be laughing then?!

    Religion is dumb.

    June 21, 2011 at 7:49 pm |
    • fred

      Don’t confuse religion with the truth of God. There is one truth of God but many religions created by man. Your Chevy or Ford will rust but faith in God is an eternal spring.

      June 21, 2011 at 7:57 pm |
    • Randy M

      Religion is dumb. Religion is mans feeble attempt to appease a God through tradition. I'm not religious but I am Christian.

      June 21, 2011 at 8:06 pm |
    • Sybaris

      Yeah right Fred. If you were born and raised in Thailand you'd be wearing a robe and praying to Buddah. If you were born and raised in India you'd be praying to Vishnu. See a pattern? Your faith in whatever deity is by chance, nothing more. You were born an atheist and your environment conditioned you for your beliefs.

      Wanna test it? Fire up your prayer chain and get 100, no 1000, no 100,000 of the "faithful" to pray for the regeneration of an amputee's limb. It won't happen, I guarantee it. But isn't it funny how during your service you all praise the healing powers of your god when little Jimmy gets over a cold.

      Grow up, religion or your "relationship" with your invisible man is childs play.

      June 21, 2011 at 8:09 pm |
    • TC

      I do understand that religion can seem dumb to you but you have to look at the opposite side. I find the purposeful thought of telling yourself nothing exists and that the universe created itself is dumb.

      June 21, 2011 at 8:10 pm |
    • TC

      @ sybaris. Good point that we believe typically how we were raised but the faith in a higher power and supreme being is there where with atheists, nothing seems to be working past the brain besides primary function. You believe in mysterious and spontaneous creation of the universe. Sounds pretty crazy heuh?

      June 21, 2011 at 8:13 pm |
    • Eric G

      @TC: "You believe in mysterious and spontaneous creation of the universe. Sounds pretty crazy heuh?"

      Not exactally........ I think that the Big Bang theory has the most evidencial support at this time, but M-theory is interesting. I do not find the Big Bang theory "mysterious". We do not have all the answers yet, but the theory does not claim to.

      It is intellectually dishonest to insert an unverifiable variable where your understanding ends. In other words, you are being dishonest if you insert "god did it" because you cannot understand the math.

      June 21, 2011 at 8:49 pm |
  16. Marie Kidman

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGSvqMBj-ig&w=640&h=360]
    ^

    June 21, 2011 at 7:45 pm |
    • Leonard

      butterfly pretty

      June 21, 2011 at 8:32 pm |
  17. Jackson Stacey

    BTW–For all those saying the author is just supporting his own "gay lifestyle," you should actually read his book. He thanks his girlfriend in the acknowledgements. Gay people usually don't have girlfriends.

    June 21, 2011 at 7:41 pm |
    • Fuyuko

      who cares if he is gay or straight as long as he's happy?

      June 21, 2011 at 7:47 pm |
    • fred

      No need to read the book if what he just said here is a highlight. On all 3 counts he is either intentionally misquoting the facts or simply doing a poor job supporting a correct conclusion. Christians use the bible as their source to understand Gods ways. That is correct

      June 21, 2011 at 7:50 pm |
    • JF

      Fred,

      No people us the Bible to justify their own prejudices.

      June 21, 2011 at 8:08 pm |
    • fred

      JF people use all their senses to justify what they do not just the Bible. Just like a dunk or a smoker can justify their addiction so to other behavior (good or bad). If they can’t justify it they will eventually see the folly in their acts.’

      June 21, 2011 at 8:20 pm |
  18. Jon (not Dudley)

    This is one of the best, clearest opinion pieces I have ever read on this topic - thanks, Jon! On reading the commentary of those who disagree with you, it became apparent that most of them did not even bother to read, or at least think about, what you wrote.

    June 21, 2011 at 7:22 pm |
    • TC

      After reading your comment, it becomes apparent you didn;t comprehend what was written or you have no education or experience in religious studies or theology. Just casue someone posted an article on the internet doesn;t make it true

      June 21, 2011 at 7:28 pm |
    • fred

      jon, Dudley totally twisted the words in the bible for his own purposes. That misleads everyone.

      June 21, 2011 at 7:31 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      @TC

      You correctly wrote "Just casue someone posted an article on the internet doesn;t make it true"

      It is equally true that a bunch of men getting together to write a book and claim that it is the word of god doesn't make that book or claim true either.

      In favour of the internet (or other means of publishing new material in recent time), we can interview the writer of the internet article and dig deeper into what he meant and why. This is impossible for the bible, so we are left with a doc-ument of questionable authenticity with lots of errors and contradictions and 30,000+ interpretations, and billions of deluded people engaged in the world's largest fantasy role playing game.

      June 21, 2011 at 9:07 pm |
  19. Jacob Cayo

    So let’s stop the charade and be honest.

    Opponents of gay marriage aren’t defending the Bible’s values. They’re using the Bible to defend their own
    "they" so you are speaking for every christian agains gay marriage!? absolutely NOT! I am against gay marriage PURELY because God says so. It is immoral, unnatural and disgusting....

    June 21, 2011 at 7:20 pm |
    • Duh

      "I am against gay marriage PURELY because God says so. It is immoral, unnatural and disgusting...."

      God never said gays couldn't marry men did. Gays are born gay so it's not immoral and not unnatural. What is disgusting is your prejudice and bigotry.

      June 21, 2011 at 7:23 pm |
    • TC

      @ Duh – it's your opinion gays are born gay. if you did any research you would finr the human genome product dispelled the myth of people being born gay.

      June 21, 2011 at 7:26 pm |
    • Jacob Cayo

      God did say men could not marry. its funny how you satanists wanna push gay marriage using Gods love as an excuse. have fun! Gays are not born gay either. do u have evidence? God said they werent. I have plenty of research that proves ay is a psychological problem. so are you gonna open your ears to the real good news? or just use Gods name and say you love him to push a sinful agenda?

      June 21, 2011 at 7:28 pm |
    • fred

      Duh, God was specific and Jesus was specific one man one woman. Period

      June 21, 2011 at 7:35 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      @Jacob Cayo,

      You said: "So let’s stop the charade and be honest."

      Do, lets. All this hiding behind ambiguous religious pratter is trying at best.

      You said, "Opponents of gay marriage aren’t defending the Bible’s values. They’re using the Bible to defend their own
      "they" so you are speaking for every christian agains gay marriage!? absolutely NOT! I am against gay marriage PURELY because God says so. It is immoral, unnatural and disgusting....">

      Now, at first you seem to be saying that those who oppose gay marriage are not using the bible to justify their opposition, then you turn around and say it's because God said so. If this is not biblical justification, can you point me to the text that claims God said so?

      Also, I believe that the word you are looking for is "abomination". That is the word used, if I recall correctly, to describe two men lying together, wearing clothing made of two different materials, eating shellfish and a few other obviously heinous things in the old testament.

      So, I guess that means that you find polyester, rayon, teflon armor, most knitted items, shrimp, lobster, crab, et al to be equally immoral, unnatural and disgusting?

      June 21, 2011 at 7:41 pm |
    • Randy M

      To Duh, perfect moniker. It is unnatural because there is no place to put it.

      June 21, 2011 at 7:44 pm |
    • Eric G

      @Jacob Cayo

      "do u have evidence? God said they werent. I have plenty of research that proves ay is a psychological problem."

      Be careful Jacob. Just friendly advice, but I really don't think you want to start down the "requesting evidence" path in this blog if you are a believer. Others will ask the same of you.

      Also, please provide references for others to view if you are going to site research that supports your claims.

      June 21, 2011 at 7:53 pm |
    • John Richardson

      @RandyM You haven't gotten around much, have you/

      June 21, 2011 at 7:54 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      @John Richardson, I was thinking the same thing.

      @RandyM, I can think of two places right off the top of my head where it "goes" just fine. And then, there's hands. So many things to "get you there" if you have an imagination.

      June 21, 2011 at 7:58 pm |
    • Bucky Ball

      1. "immoral" - purely your opinion
      2. "disgusting - purely your taste, (see below)
      3. "unnatural" - wrong. (Every class of animal on the planet has been observed to engage in same s'ex behaviors: birds, fish, mammals, reptiles, amphibians, and invertebrates. at pretty much at the same recurring rates.) 😈

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090616122106.htm

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM44GHUsDV0&w=640&h=360]

      June 21, 2011 at 8:03 pm |
    • Randy M

      to myweightinwords – At least one of the other options on a place to put it brings up the disgusting part. And we all know what is normally in there.

      June 21, 2011 at 8:12 pm |
    • Randy M

      to buckyball – If you don't believe in God then your argument about other animals is fine. But a belief in the Christian God precludes your argument as far back as Genesis as it says God created man in his image and I think it says we are different from every other animal. So it depends on your decision to follow God in the way he wants to be followed or not. So to me you argument doesn't hold water. But to an Atheist, its a solid argument.

      June 21, 2011 at 8:16 pm |
    • Randy M

      to buckyball again – Just because its fun doesn't make it right. It might be fun to some people to beat up hobos but that does not make it right.

      June 21, 2011 at 8:19 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      @RandyM, as so many things in this world, that is a personal opinion.

      I know many who would disagree.

      June 21, 2011 at 8:23 pm |
    • Bucky Ball

      Randy M
      "as far back as Genesis as it says God created man in his image"
      -– Speaking of Genesis, it also says :
      Genesis 2 : 20 "The man gave names to all the cattle, all the birds of the air, and all the wild animals; but none PROVED to be the suitable partner for the man." Sounds like he held some try-outs.
      "But to an Atheist, its a solid argument"
      -- Thank you. (I don't need labels or "boxes all tied up with a neat bow" to talk to myself, so I do not label myself an atheist).
      "It might be fun to some people to beat up hobos but that does not make it right."
      -– Reductio ad absurdum is invalid.

      June 21, 2011 at 9:54 pm |
  20. KGirl

    The Bible should not be taken simply as church people perceive it. It should be taken as God's word and each indevidual should read it, asking the Holy Spirit to reveal it's meaning.

    June 21, 2011 at 7:17 pm |
    • Duh

      That is happening which is why there are so many denominations and there are even gay churches now.

      June 21, 2011 at 7:24 pm |
    • TC

      THat's a big negative Kgirl. New believers need proper encouragement and guidance to receive the HS and to go solo is to rely on one's own understanding which the Bible speaks of multiple times. To become holy one must seek out holy worship and holy company. Don;t do it solo.

      June 21, 2011 at 7:24 pm |
    • fred

      Duh, yes a buch of religions have spawned off the Bible but that does not make them right. Simply hold up the church to Gods standards to see if it is true. When they add stuff to the Bible that is not there walk out.

      June 21, 2011 at 7:43 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      When I did that, while studying to become a minister, it led me away from Christianity. In fact, it led me to a long period of questioning and ultimately to embrace a different path all together.

      Best thing I ever did. I have never loved others as openly and honestly as I do now.

      June 21, 2011 at 7:44 pm |
    • Randy M

      myweightinwords, That is your choice and you are not trying to make Christianity believe like you do . You allow Christians to believe what they want and you believe what you want and you are willing to make that decision and go with it. I have no problem with that. You were presented the Gospel of Jesus Christ and you rejected it. But you did not try to make Jesus and or God be something else and therefore delude yourself. That is what I want everyone to do. Either accept Jesus and follow his ways or reject him and make your own path. And you are clear on your rejection of Christ. That is what God wants. Make a decision but realize you will be stuck with that decision once death finally wins. Just decide and quit trying to pick something in the middle. Man up and go to heaven or go to hell but decide already.

      June 21, 2011 at 7:56 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      @RandyM,

      You said, "That is your choice and you are not trying to make Christianity believe like you do."

      I could ask which Christianity. Honestly, there are enough options out there that I actually tried to find one I could follow with my evolving beliefs, but ultimately I discovered that as long as the basis was faulty, the faith could never stand. So I chose, instead, to walk away.

      You also said, "You allow Christians to believe what they want and you believe what you want and you are willing to make that decision and go with it."

      It isn't about what I allow or don't allow. We do not "choose" to believe one thing or another. Either we believe or we don't. If it were about what we wanted, what we choose, I would still be clinging to Christianity, because it would have been easier.

      You said, "You were presented the Gospel of Jesus Christ and you rejected it. But you did not try to make Jesus and or God be something else and therefore delude yourself."

      I was deluded. I believed a lie because it was all I had been given to understand. Then, I sought wisdom. I sought God. I sought Truth. What I came to know was that the bible was not what I had been led to believe it was. I rejected the delusion and continued on the journey.

      You said, "That is what I want everyone to do. Either accept Jesus and follow his ways or reject him and make your own path. And you are clear on your rejection of Christ. That is what God wants. Make a decision but realize you will be stuck with that decision once death finally wins. Just decide and quit trying to pick something in the middle. Man up and go to heaven or go to hell but decide already."

      But, I have to ask, who decides which understanding of God, of Jesus, is the right one? How many Christian denominations are there? All can point to scripture and church history and tradition to "prove" they are correct. This opinion article is only one example. Can you define for another Christian what he or she believes? No, only their heart can answer that question.

      Perhaps the better goal, if I may, would be to make that decision for yourself, and allow your fellow human beings the same courtesy...meaning, of course, equality. For everyone. Always. Marriage for all. Love for all. Religion, or the lack thereof, for all. Pretty simple.

      June 21, 2011 at 8:07 pm |
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