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My Take: Bible condemns a lot, so why focus on homosexuality?
June 21st, 2011
10:10 AM ET

My Take: Bible condemns a lot, so why focus on homosexuality?

Editor's Note: Jonathan Dudley is the author of Broken Words: The Abuse of Science and Faith in American Politics.

By Jonathan Dudley, Special to CNN

Growing up in the evangelical community, I learned the Bible’s stance on homosexuality is clear-cut. God condemns it, I was taught, and those who disagree just haven’t read their Bibles closely enough.

Having recently graduated from Yale Divinity School, I can say that my childhood community’s approach to gay rights—though well intentioned—is riddled with self-serving double standards.

I don’t doubt that the one New Testament author who wrote on the subject of male-male intercourse thought it a sin. In Romans 1, the only passage in the Bible where a reason is explicitly given for opposing same-sex relations, the Apostle Paul calls them “unnatural.”

Problem is, Paul’s only other moral argument from nature is the following: “Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair, it is degrading to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory?” (1 Corinthians 11:14-15).

Few Christians would answer that question with a “yes.”

In short, Paul objects to two things as unnatural: one is male-male sex and the other is long hair on men and short hair on women. The community opposed to gay marriage takes one condemnation as timeless and universal and the other as culturally relative.

I also don’t doubt that those who advocate gay marriage are advocating a revision of the Christian tradition.

But the community opposed to gay marriage has itself revised the Christian tradition in a host of ways. For the first 1500 years of Christianity, for example, marriage was deemed morally inferior to celibacy. When a theologian named Jovinian challenged that hierarchy in 390 A.D. — merely by suggesting that marriage and celibacy might be equally worthwhile endeavors — he was deemed a heretic and excommunicated from the church.

How does that sit with “family values” activism today?

Yale New Testament professor Dale B. Martin has noted that today’s "pro-family" activism, despite its pretense to be representing traditional Christian values, would have been considered “heresy” for most of the church’s history.

The community opposed to gay marriage has also departed from the Christian tradition on another issue at the heart of its social agenda: abortion.

Unbeknownst to most lay Christians, the vast majority of Christian theologians and saints throughout history have not believed life begins at conception.

Although he admitted some uncertainty on the matter, the hugely influential 4th and 5th century Christian thinker Saint Augustine wrote, “it could not be said that there was a living soul in [a] body” if it is “not yet endowed with senses.”

Thomas Aquinas, a Catholic saint and a giant of mediaeval theology, argued: “before the body has organs in any way whatever, it cannot be receptive of the soul.”

American evangelicals, meanwhile, widely opposed the idea that life begins at conception until the 1970s, with some even advocating looser abortion laws based on their reading of the Bible before then.

It won’t do to oppose gay marriage because it’s not traditional while advocating other positions that are not traditional.

And then there’s the topic of divorce. Although there is only one uncontested reference to same-sex relations in the New Testament, divorce is condemned throughout, both by Jesus and Paul. To quote Jesus from the Gospel of Mark: “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery.”

A possible exception is made only for unfaithfulness.

The community most opposed to gay marriage usually reads these condemnations very leniently. A 2007 issue of Christianity Today, for example, featured a story on its cover about divorce that concluded that Christians should permit divorce for “adultery,” “emotional and physical neglect” and “abandonment and abuse.”

The author emphasizes how impractical it would be to apply a strict interpretation of Jesus on this matter: “It is difficult to believe the Bible can be as impractical as this interpretation implies.”

Indeed it is.

On the other hand, it’s not at all difficult for a community of Christian leaders, who are almost exclusively white, heterosexual men, to advocate interpretations that can be very impractical for a historically oppressed minority to which they do not belong – homosexuals.

Whether the topic is hair length, celibacy, when life begins, or divorce, time and again, the leaders most opposed to gay marriage have demonstrated an incredible willingness to consider nuances and complicating considerations when their own interests are at stake.

Since graduating from seminary, I no longer identify with the evangelical community of my youth. The community gave me many fond memories and sound values but it also taught me to take the very human perspectives of its leaders and attribute them to God.

So let’s stop the charade and be honest.

Opponents of gay marriage aren’t defending the Bible’s values. They’re using the Bible to defend their own.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Jonathan Dudley.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Bible • Christianity • Homosexuality • Opinion

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  1. Rocker

    In 1973, g-a-y activists persuaded the American Psychiatric Association to remove ho-m-o-se-x-ua-lity from it's list of psychiatric illnesses and re-classify it as normal behavior. This change was made because radicals planned a systematic effort to disrupt the annual meetings of the APA, and not because of scientific data. In 1970, activists grabbed a microphone at an APA meeting and said, "Psychiatry is the enemy incarnate. Psychiatry has waged a relentless war of extermination against us. You may take this as a declaration of war against you..." A prominent psychologist said it was the first time in psychiatric history that a scientific society ignored scientific evidence and yielded to the demands of a militant group. Source: Psychiatric Annals, April 1976. The radical g-a-y movement made it known it's agenda would proceed regardless of research, science and dialog, and that intimidation would be one of it's weapons to achieve it's aims. Eric Pollard, founder of ACT-UP, a militant ho-mo-se-xu-al group wrote that lying was part of the strategy of the activists, citing Hi-t-ler as a model to follow. Just stating facts here for everyone, I don't hate those who choose alternative life-styles. I lost a good male friend to A-I-Ds in the '80's, and believe in presenting the facts out of love for everyone in order that they may make positive life choices.

    July 6, 2011 at 12:03 am |
    • Joe Blow from Idaho

      This is exactly why Christians must not lose their determination to oppose this immorality. The activists think that they can wear us down by lying about God, Jesus and especially the bible. We must stand up and fight this menace. We will not cower as they try to beat us down.

      July 6, 2011 at 12:23 am |
    • kd5757

      Rocker…the decision by the American Psychiatric Association was correct and has withstood the test of time. I would be interested in who the prominent psychologist (psychiatrist?) was. You will never have 100% agreement in any organization. The following excerpt is from the American Psychological Association (S-exu-al orientation and ho-mo$exuality). “Psychologists, psychiatrists, and other mental health professionals agree that ho-mo$exuality is not an illness, a mental disorder, or an emotional problem. More than 35 years of objective, well-designed scientific research has shown that ho-mo$exuality, in and itself, is not associated with mental disorders or emotional or social problems. Ho-mo$exuality was once thought to be a mental illness because mental health professionals and society had biased information. In the past, the studies of gay, les_n, and bi-s xal people involved only those in therapy, thus biasing the resulting conclusions. When researchers examined data about such people who were not in therapy, the idea that ho-mo$exuality was a mental illness was quickly found to be untrue. In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association confirmed the importance of the new, better-designed research and removed ho-mo$exuality from the official manual that lists mental and emotional disorders.”

      Both of these associations also weigh in in favor of gay marriage. However, they are not the only professional organizations that support some form of equality for LGBT people whether it be the right to marry, the right to adopt children, and/or that being gay is within the realm of normal human behavior. These organizations include the American Sociological Association, American Anthropological Association, American Academy of Family Physicians, American Academy of Pediatrics, American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, American Bar Association, American Medical Association, Child Welfare League of America, National Association of Social Workers, and the North American Council on Adoptable Children to name a few. I have yet to find one secular, research-based association that carries the weight of the medical, psychological, and psychiatric associations mentioned that opposes gay parenting, gay marriage, etc.

      July 6, 2011 at 3:21 am |
    • LOL

      Rocker you are reading bias Christian sites that are twisting the subject to conform to their years of brainwashing on this topic just like they have done with the Bible and you are just another typical Christian. Spreading hate, bigotry and lies on this subject just shows that you don't follow the true teachings of Christs and are clueless to the real facts about gays.

      July 6, 2011 at 8:30 am |
  2. Jack Stacey

    Ever stop to think that Jonathan and David were gay lovers?

    JUST SAYIN'

    July 5, 2011 at 10:17 pm |
    • Dave

      David was a man after God's own heart....He had wives and children....Jonathan was his close friend.
      PSA 119:99. How can a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed according to Your word.
      10. With my whole heart I have sought You; Oh, let me not wander from Your commandments!
      11. Your word I have hidden in my heart, That I might not sin against You.
      12. Blessed are You, O Lord! Teach me Your statutes. careful!!!! When David sinned he was quick to repent..Psa 51 and more.

      July 6, 2011 at 12:28 am |
    • Steve

      You forgot Ruth and Naomi too.

      July 6, 2011 at 4:15 pm |
  3. Dave

    Many today don't know the nature of GOD....they confuse one attribute with the essense of his BEING "HE IS HOLY",
    HE shows mercy, love, grace and forgivness... but we must repent to receive it.
    Romans 2:4. Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? 1John 1:9 9. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Those who are born again don't keep on practicing the same life styles the test is our obedience to Him and his word.John 14:23-24 Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
    24. "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me.

    July 5, 2011 at 9:39 pm |
    • Joe Blow from Idaho

      Exactly. It means not continuing to live a lifestyle that God said is an abomination and to repent and come back to him. Most people don't get that. They just want to say "God is love" and leave it at that. God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son. But you must repent.

      July 6, 2011 at 12:17 am |
    • LOL

      "Exactly. It means not continuing to live a lifestyle that God said is an abomination and to repent and come back to him."

      The abomination is pagan s-ex worshiping a pagan god, male prosti-tution, ra=pe and idolatry, not what we now know about gays. Gays are born this way and are a creation of God, it's funny how Christians keep condemning one of God's creation stuck in the past brainwashed by a group shown to support prejudice and bigotry.

      July 6, 2011 at 8:34 am |
    • PRISM 1234

      @LOL

      You are wrong when you say "Gays are born this way and are a creation of God"
      God made some things not to be altered, and when men do, it carries/produces deadly consequences, in their natural lives, but what's even worse, what happens to their spiritual man.

      H0m0se-xua-lity is contrary to nature , it's a perversion of intent of God's design, His order, the natural order He created, and therefore he calls it abomination in His sight.
      It is a mockery of God's design, and it's the attempt of satan to degrade human beings which God has created in His own image.
      Those who practice it, endorse it, defend it, and those who despise people who tell them the truth, can by no means know God, because those who know God, know His nature and His character.

      God created male and female! Even the barbarians know that practicing h0m0se-xuality is an abomination, because God has put in the conscience of human kind to know the natural order of things created, and a certain witness of Himself, so that by that witness we would be led to Him, not away from Him, and for this reason no man will stand before God with an excuse!
      Those who silence the witness of their own consciences are led away by the love of sin that's in their hearts, which satan uses to blind them to the truth.

      So, you see, those who defend the ways God calls abomination, and who endorse it and promote it, even though they may themselves not be doing them, ARE PARTAKERS WITH THOSE WHO PRACTICE IT.

      Do you know that those who say that God made hom-o-se-xuals the way they are, are MAKING GOD TO BE A LIAR, attributing to Him the very thing He calls abomination?.... That's what you're doing when you are trying to twist the Word of God, despising the testimony of the Spirit of God who testifies of IT'S TRUTH.

      I hope that you and others, who think that one can be Christian and yet deny the testimony of the Spirit of Truth, come to realize the consequences of dragging the Word of God to the level of corrupt mankind who love their sin so much that they hold the Word of God in unrighteousness, having no fear of God in their hearts.

      Examine yourself, and perhaps God will give you space and time to deliver yourself out of the snare of the devil who keeps those who love their sin captive in his web of deception!

      But it will be according to what is is one's heart. That's where the Word of God cuts through all pretence. He knows, and to Him no intents of man's heart are hidden!

      July 6, 2011 at 11:58 am |
    • LOL

      "H0m0se-xua-lity is contrary to nature"

      That's why its be well docu-mented in nature. Again your clueless on this subject and will do anything to justify your prejudice and bigotry.

      July 6, 2011 at 12:02 pm |
    • LOL

      "Those who silence the witness of their own consciences are led away by the love of sin that's in their hearts, which satan uses to blind them to the truth.

      Yes Satan does have your consciences and your bigotry proves that. LOL!

      July 6, 2011 at 12:04 pm |
    • LOL

      "So, you see, those who defend the ways God calls abomination"

      What is being called an abomination is pagan s-ex worshiping a pagan god, male prost-itution and ra-pe. Gays are born gay, they are a creation of God and he has proven it through the use of science.

      July 6, 2011 at 12:06 pm |
    • LOL

      "Examine yourself, and perhaps God will give you space and time to deliver yourself out of the snare of the devil who keeps those who love their sin captive in his web of deception! "

      You are the one that needs to see the log in your eye since you are such a hypocrite. You have been shown the truth about gays but you continue to spread lies and hate, you are the one full of sin and deception!

      July 6, 2011 at 12:07 pm |
  4. Dave

    Hold your nose for a moment that air you were breathing belongs to him see how much you need him. the sun is his the moon the stars the earth and the sea all the plants and animals belong to him if the air is cut of... all is finish.. is it on any other planet? are we still will looking? Genises1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. you can beleive it or not the choice is yours.... What you dont know now in time you will have your answer.....Just be prepared.

    July 5, 2011 at 9:26 pm |
  5. Dave Sands

    Let me give you what the word of God Says the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God we are little been under the elements what court can we keep in an earthquake, flood, storm or fire who is in control? where will all these so smart people be? cant you see how weak and helpless creatures we are and we want to bring ourselves before GOD.
    1 Co 3:19 19. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, "He catches the wise in their own craftiness"; John 3:17. "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
    18. "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
    19. "And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
    20. "For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.

    July 5, 2011 at 8:57 pm |
    • LinCA

      Fuck. That must mean that everyone will go to hell. I was hoping to avoid most christians there.

      July 5, 2011 at 9:05 pm |
  6. Jack Stacey

    Isn't it interesting that the Holy Trinity of Jesus, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, bound together eternally in infinite love, are all men?

    JUST SAYIN'

    July 5, 2011 at 8:49 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      The holy spirit was, at one time, considered to be feminine.

      But that raises another issue, seeing as the holy spirit is said to be the part of the trinity that made Mary pregnant...hmmm...

      July 6, 2011 at 10:47 am |
  7. JAS987

    If Jesus were to come back, he would probably be really sad about all of the hatred in this world that happens in the name of religion...I thought he was about loving people for who they are...I think he would be disappointed to see how much his words have been perverted for peoples' personal agendas.

    July 5, 2011 at 8:09 pm |
    • Rhonda

      I am a Christ follower who agrees with JA. God has given His people one command; love. He says that only God should judge. If we could just stay focused on being who He calls us to be we would not be so prone to misrepresenting Jesus.

      July 5, 2011 at 8:29 pm |
  8. Larry

    "I will do all in my power to see that you lose.". Fortunately, you have no power. Your ranting shows you are all talk.

    July 5, 2011 at 8:05 pm |
    • Dave

      All power belongs to God. On this side our time is short after death its Judgement Be sure you know God in the Pardon of your sins the Bible says its a fearful thing to fall in the hands of an angry God. We are been thought there is no life after death, there is no God, so we are only thinking for now this is a great mistake...We will all give an account to God.

      July 5, 2011 at 9:11 pm |
    • LinCA

      @Dave

      You said "All power belongs to God. On this side our time is short after death its Judgement Be sure you know God in the Pardon of your sins the Bible says its a fearful thing to fall in the hands of an angry God. We are been thought there is no life after death, there is no God, so we are only thinking for now this is a great mistake...We will all give an account to God."

      Please provide verifiable evidence for your god. Unless you do, you are just blowing smoke. Until you do, there is absolutely no reason to assume he/she/it exists.

      July 5, 2011 at 9:14 pm |
  9. Deborah

    Fight as much as you want guys,
    Jesus is coming back soon and you'll see.

    July 5, 2011 at 7:45 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      Folks been saying that for 2000 years. Soon has lost it's meaning I think.

      Believe as you will, only afford others the same basic right.

      July 5, 2011 at 7:50 pm |
  10. Jack Stacey

    Why did Jesus hang out with so many guys?

    JUST SAYIN'

    July 5, 2011 at 6:48 pm |
    • Joe Blow from Idaho

      Contrary to your dirty mind, not everyone HAS to engage in s3xual activity. Jesus was as pure as heaven itself.

      July 5, 2011 at 6:52 pm |
    • Jack Stacey

      I don't think so. He was in a gay relationship with "the disciple who Jesus loved."

      July 5, 2011 at 6:58 pm |
    • Joe Blow from Idaho

      Well you can add blasphemy to your list of sins.

      July 5, 2011 at 7:04 pm |
    • Yo.

      "Well you can add blasphemy to your list of sins."

      You should know you are very good at it.

      July 5, 2011 at 7:08 pm |
    • Muneef

      They were 12 disciples with Jesus...they were as students and he was their teacher...and they were his supporters into God's religion.

      July 5, 2011 at 7:37 pm |
  11. Dave Sands

    Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
    27. So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
    28. Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth."

    The First Commandment under the law or instructions given to humans was to be "fruitful and multiply" before the law
    the species, there orientation making it clear on engagement, pleasure and results. "GOD SPEAKING HERE"
    The question is not what we want but what HE desires in us we can obey or rebel...Paul was talking about rebellion in
    Romans. The behavior after we refuse to follow God...We cannot change "A HOLY GOD WORDS" ethier we fall on it or it will fall on us..History has tought us its only a matter of time for a new lesson.

    July 5, 2011 at 6:35 pm |
    • LOL

      You do realize that the Bible also states When God created mankind, he made them in the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female and blessed them. And he named them “Mankind” when they were created. He created mankind that includes male and female ho-mo-se-xuals. It wasn't just about Adam and Eve.

      July 5, 2011 at 6:47 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      So your argument is that since gays can not have children, they are not following God's law?

      Isn't the overpopulation problem maybe a sign that possibly it's time to stop being quite so fruitful and multiplying quite so much?

      Of course, that commandment, like most of the book of Genesis is absolutely myth, not word for word recorded history, so for all we know the command was "take care of the place, I'll be back in a few thousand years"....

      July 5, 2011 at 7:32 pm |
  12. Brevard

    Joe Blow from Idaho, you have way too much time on your hands. I find your comments disgusting and degrading. You call yourself a Christian, yet you continue to use language on this site that is far from Christian. You can put as many asterisks as you want in the words, but they still cause pain and hurt for many who read them. Jesus believed in love. You believe in hate. How sad. Some might say that you protest too much. Think about that.

    July 5, 2011 at 6:30 pm |
    • Joe Blow from Idaho

      Normally I only use the word "sodomite" which is how it is referred to in my church. One poster wanted to challenge me on the dictionary denotation of the word. So I was forced to use more offensive language. As I have mentioned, I will never refer to any filthy disgusting sinner in a way that would imply social acceptance.

      July 5, 2011 at 6:58 pm |
    • Yo.

      "So I was forced to use more offensive language. As I have mentioned, I will never refer to any filthy disgusting sinner in a way that would imply social acceptance."

      LOL that's because you didn't know the true definition and are brainwashed by your church. Typical Christian to lazy to do your homework.

      July 5, 2011 at 7:02 pm |
    • Joe Blow from Idaho

      I don't know what dictionary that you are using, but my dictionary has a list of definitions including one that is exactly the way I am using the word.

      July 5, 2011 at 7:06 pm |
    • Yo.

      "but my dictionary has a list of definitions including one that is exactly the way I am using the word."

      LOL! it applies to all people not just one group moron.

      July 5, 2011 at 7:08 pm |
    • Joe Blow from Idaho

      My dictionary says:

      2. "Se.xual activity between members of the same s3x."

      July 5, 2011 at 7:14 pm |
    • Karen

      What people are forgetting is that the authors of the Bible did not understand s.ex ual orientation so people in the 19th century added it later. That is the problem with this topic and claiming you truly know the will of God.

      July 5, 2011 at 7:14 pm |
    • Joe Blow from Idaho

      And guess what, in 1900 gay meant cheerful.

      July 5, 2011 at 7:20 pm |
    • Sally

      And number 1 is a-nal or or-al copulation with a member of the opposite se-x.

      You have to choose number 2 to justify your bigotry.

      The issue is when using the definition of number 1 it changes the context of those scriptures, and it becomes about ra-pe.

      July 5, 2011 at 7:20 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      @Joe,

      So is it safe for me to as-su-me that your use of the word sodomite indicates that you believe that the sin of Sodom was hom-os-ex-uality and not something else?

      July 5, 2011 at 7:27 pm |
  13. God

    I am so totally gay.

    July 5, 2011 at 6:17 pm |
    • Jesus

      Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing.

      July 5, 2011 at 6:19 pm |
  14. Marilyn Bush

    1: CORINTHIANS 6:9 Please read.

    July 5, 2011 at 6:05 pm |
    • Jack Stacey

      LOL, yeah I'm sure he's never heard of that passage and that if he had his position would be completely different.

      July 5, 2011 at 6:06 pm |
    • LOL

      You do know that the word ho-mo-se-xual was added later by bias translators and that this is about male prost-itution, using pagan s-ex ritual to worship a pagan God.

      It has nothing to do with what we now know about gays. All it shows is you haven't picked up a history book and use this scripture to justify your prejudice.

      Now what....

      July 5, 2011 at 6:11 pm |
  15. Misha Gastonai

    "Belief Blog" should be renamed "Chrisitanity Sux".

    I don't think CNN should be enouraging any religion, but really, every single story portrays the religous people and thier views in a negative light. And it seems like 99% of those focus on Christianity.

    July 5, 2011 at 5:54 pm |
    • Jack Stacey

      Um, obviously wrong. read the latest post by Rick Warren.

      July 5, 2011 at 5:55 pm |
    • Joe Blow from Idaho

      Yes, it's open season on Christianity here. We are not even allowed to voice our opposition to buggery or we are called haters or ignorant or stupid.

      July 5, 2011 at 7:18 pm |
    • LOL

      "We are not even allowed to voice our opposition to buggery"

      Oh.......you mean unnatural intercourse with man or beast, notice it's not about gays again...LOL!

      July 5, 2011 at 7:24 pm |
  16. Muneef

    Have seen many posts discussing abortion issue although such an issue is a complex if looked at cases individually and not as lump sum issue, let us try to divid it into individual cases are;
    A) Unmarried 
    – Under age dating.*
    – Unmarried Singles dating.*
    – Separated and Divorced dating.*

    B) Married
    – Unable to support.
    – Unable Medically to bare and bring up.
    – Cultural reasons such of Indian Hindu. 
    – Adultery Deception...*

    as you can see there were/are abortions for ""Legitimate Unborn's", and can see that there were/are abortions for ""Un-legitimate Unborn's""..

    Those born legitimate might get the name the love and protection but not sure for those which became through ""Un-legitimate relation"" and the hardship or complexity they may face or become to have in personality...

    Just wonder why since there is now very easy clinical solution with minor operation for girls&women who want to date but do not want to bare children...and can regain it back the ability at any time with another minor operation...I think by doing that how many souls will we save from abortions..
    Wouldn't that be rather better than abortion and as well better than abolishing abortion and have too many children that the country can not look after and end up like the stray children in Brazil who ended being shot at in the market by business owners who told that they were children criminal gangs abused by elder gangs...!! Wonder if those children are the harvest of the annual festival "Carnival" which carry on for days Spirits,Music,Men&Women "Boys&Girls"...!!! 

    July 5, 2011 at 5:42 pm |
  17. Rocker

    "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, every one, to his own way..." (Isaiah 53:6)

    Ho.mos.exuals live an average of 20 years less than he.tros.exuals. Domestic violence is 300 times greater in the first group. They also commit sui.cide at a greater rate of 200%, they suffer depression at a rate 50% higher than the latter group, 43% have had 500 or more se*xu.al parterners during their lifetimes, and 28% 100 or more partners.

    "Come to Me, all you who are heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you shall find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my load is light." (Matthew 11:28-30)

    July 5, 2011 at 5:00 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      Most depression and suicide in the gay community can be directly traced to the treatment of the individual by the straight society around them.

      Stop hating on them and accept them for who they are. Maybe we'll see fewer suicides.

      July 5, 2011 at 5:07 pm |
    • Joe Blow from Idaho

      @myweightinwords

      They are depressed and so? Because they cannot ACT on their orientation? Tough cookies because there is a lot that I would like to do and can't as I'm sure it is with most people.

      July 5, 2011 at 5:13 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      @Joe,

      You know very well that isn't what I meant. Even today, gay people are ridiculed and tormented emotionally and physically. Some can not bear the continued treatment and slip into depression and suicide. People who can not even use polite words to discuss them, such as yourself, contribute to this. Being told daily that they are second class citizens of the country they live in, being called filthy and sinful, being told that they can not serve they're country or marry the person they love...all of this contributes.

      For some, it can be too much.

      July 5, 2011 at 5:19 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      Also to @Rocker,

      Your stati-stics look faulty. Speaking purely from personal experience, the 100 or so gay men I know have each had fewer partners than I have, and I can count mine on one hand. Of those hundred, about 20 or so are currently in a long term, c-ommi-tted relationship (as I define it, longer than 5 years together...a good 10 have been with current mate 10 years or more).

      Of course, those stats might come from one of those surveys that pits single gay men against married heteros-exual men, which is of course going to produce radically skewed results.

      July 5, 2011 at 5:24 pm |
    • Rocker

      Resources: On the domestic violence issue: Ref:US Dept of Justice: Office of Justice Programs: 30:Bureau of Justice Statistics Special Report.11-Compairing the Lifestyles of Ho.mo*se.xual Couples to Married Couples"-http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=ISO4002

      Mortality Rates: Oxford Journals- "Modeling the Impact of H*I*V Disease on Mortality in G.a*y and Bi.se*xu.al Men" – http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/26/3/657

      Partners: Journal of S*E.x Research- "A Comparative Demographic and Se.xu*al Profile of Older Hom.ose*x.ual.ly Active Men" – http://findarticles.comp/articles/mi-m2372/is-n4-v34/ai-20536043/pg-8/?tag+content;col1

      You can argue the suicide statistics are high due to unacceptance in our society, but in the Netherlands where ho.mo.se*xua.li*ty has been legalized for years, the rate of psychiatric illness is statistically similar to that of countries where it is not legal. Source: Catholic Education Resource Center- "The Health Risks of G*a.y S.e*x"- http://www.cathloiceducation.org/articles/ho.m*o.se*x.ual.ity/ho00075.html#.4

      July 5, 2011 at 6:43 pm |
    • LOL

      Rocker if you are using the Catholic church as a reference of course their views are bias to support their version of interpretation of the bible. 35 years of objective, well-designed scientific research has shown that ho-mo-se-xuality, in and itself, is not a-ssociated with mental disorders or emotional or social problems. Your stats are completely bogus and done by bias and prejudice people but of course you will hold onto that to justify your own personal prejudice.

      July 5, 2011 at 6:50 pm |
    • LOL

      By the way if you really looked into biomed you would realize the studies were done in Africa...now what does that tell you. Why don't you look at the results here in America.

      July 5, 2011 at 6:58 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      And then there's the outstanding sexual behaviour of a couple of former NBA players (one claiming 20,000 partners the other reportedly have 1,000) and the participants of the 2010 Winter Olympics where a major problem was running out of free condoms in the athlete's village. I'm not judging the behaviour of these folks, just providing additional information as context to the alledged data above about gays. You see, unlike your imaginary Sky Daddy, I'm not the least bit concerned about what consenting adults do in private. In fact, I'm so liberal, I support believer's right to hold whatever beliefs they want, in private.

      July 5, 2011 at 7:42 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      A very good gay friend, a very kind and intelligent person who taught several of us then gay-hating-hetros about homosexuality and was at the forefront of HIV education but sadly passed away in his 40's, indicated that faggot can be taken as being very nasty or OK, depending upon the context, intent and familiarly with the person you are referencing. I would never use it without really knowing the other person very well.

      July 5, 2011 at 7:57 pm |
  18. Loren

    "Yale New Testament professor Dale B. Martin has noted that today’s "pro-family" activism, despite its pretense to be representing traditional Christian values, would have been considered “heresy” for most of the church’s history."

    With conclusions like this, how can you not see that religion is a cultural artifact? Did God change his mind about the value of marriage a few centuries ago?

    Religions are made by humans, and when their precepts become untenable to a particular culture, either humans change them or they are discarded. If Christianity survives for another thousand years it might well be unrecognizable to the Christians of today.

    July 5, 2011 at 4:51 pm |
  19. richard

    hypocrisy is a christian virtue
    self-interest also seems to be a christian virtue
    why would i want to be around a bunch of selfish liars?

    July 5, 2011 at 4:25 pm |
    • SK

      Hypocrisy is NOT a christian virtue. You will find hypocrites in every religion – including atheism. But that does NOT make a religion's or atheist virtue. In regards to Christianity, Jesus came out strongly against the religious leaders of that time – the Pharisees, for their hypocrisy. Read Matthew chapter 23. Well, one thing for sure: Ignorance is NOT a virtue.

      July 5, 2011 at 5:00 pm |
    • God

      Atheism is not a religion, there is nothing organized about it. Just common sense.

      July 5, 2011 at 6:18 pm |
  20. Joe Blow from Idaho

    Sodomites are the only group of people that define themselves based on a sin.

    July 5, 2011 at 4:06 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      I don't know anyone who defines themselves as a sodomite, do you?

      Most of the folks I know who care about these things define themselves by who they love, not what some religion considers a sin.

      When is love sinful?

      July 5, 2011 at 4:14 pm |
    • Joe Blow from Idaho

      When is love a sin? Well, maybe when it's between 2 men, or 2 women, or a man and a boy. Also, it the s.ex act that is sinful. Hey, I love my friends, but I don't want f* them.

      July 5, 2011 at 4:21 pm |
    • LOL

      "When is love a sin? Well, maybe when it's between 2 men, or 2 women, or a man and a boy. "

      Again you are showing your ignorance on this subject. A man and a boy is a pedophile and that is illegal. Being gay is not a sin especially since the word ho-m0-se-xual was added later to the bible and the other scriptures are talking about pagan s-ex worshiping a pagan God. Get a history book, part of reading comprehension is putting it into historical context.

      July 5, 2011 at 4:25 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      @Joe,

      For one thing, s-e-xual acts between a boy (provided that we are disc-ussing a male under the age of consent) and an adult of any gender is pe-do-phi-lia, not hom-os-exuality and has no bearing on the discussion.

      For another, all arguments against marriage equality come from one of two places:

      1) Religious reasons–easily dismissed because we can not base our laws on a single religion's point of view.
      2) Personal distaste –easily remedied, don't have s-e-x with a me-mber of the same gender.

      July 5, 2011 at 4:45 pm |
    • Joe Blow from Idaho

      Which do you think is more likely: The priests and ministers that abused those BOYS are straight or are they gay? It is society that says it's against the law and it has nothing to do with orientation. Moreover, we are not talking about pedophilia which is usually against pre-pubescent children, and not pubescent BOYS.

      July 5, 2011 at 4:49 pm |
    • LOL

      "The priests and ministers that abused those BOYS are straight or are they gay? "

      Keep showing you're clueless most pedo*philes are heterose*xuals. You seriously are really lazy and don't even understand this subject which is why prejudice and bigotry is always built on the foundation of ignorance.

      July 5, 2011 at 4:56 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      @JoeBlow,

      Actually, because before pu-berty male and female bodies are built much the same way, a pe-do-phile's choice of victim can not necessarily be used to determine whether or not they are straight or gay. Many adult males who prey on boys are married with children. Priests who do so have ready access to young boys but not so much to girls.

      It is theorized that most pe-do-philes begin with whatever child they have the easiest access to and develop preferences based on that initial victim and how they perceive the experience.

      Pe-do-philes are attracted to children, not adults, therefore unless they also engage in adult se-xual relations, it is impossible to categorize them as straight or gay.

      July 5, 2011 at 4:59 pm |
    • Joe Blow from Idaho

      @myweightinwords

      Right, whoever they have access to. You are inferring a lot there. I see it completely differently. I see a qu*er who likes them young.

      July 5, 2011 at 5:05 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      @Joe,

      Which explains a lot about you. I'm sorry you live in such a dark, twisted place. It is obvious there is a lot of anger and hatred in your heart for those who are different from you. That is a heavy burden to carry.

      For what it's worth, the word "que-er" isn't as much of a slur as it used to be. Many in the LGBT community embrace it. After all, it means "different" and that's not a bad thing at all.

      July 5, 2011 at 5:11 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Given christianity's preoccupation with all manner of sins (their definition or course, which I don't necessarily agree with), I would say they are pretty much defined by it...

      July 5, 2011 at 7:48 pm |
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