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My Take: Bible condemns a lot, so why focus on homosexuality?
June 21st, 2011
10:10 AM ET

My Take: Bible condemns a lot, so why focus on homosexuality?

Editor's Note: Jonathan Dudley is the author of Broken Words: The Abuse of Science and Faith in American Politics.

By Jonathan Dudley, Special to CNN

Growing up in the evangelical community, I learned the Bible’s stance on homosexuality is clear-cut. God condemns it, I was taught, and those who disagree just haven’t read their Bibles closely enough.

Having recently graduated from Yale Divinity School, I can say that my childhood community’s approach to gay rights—though well intentioned—is riddled with self-serving double standards.

I don’t doubt that the one New Testament author who wrote on the subject of male-male intercourse thought it a sin. In Romans 1, the only passage in the Bible where a reason is explicitly given for opposing same-sex relations, the Apostle Paul calls them “unnatural.”

Problem is, Paul’s only other moral argument from nature is the following: “Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair, it is degrading to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory?” (1 Corinthians 11:14-15).

Few Christians would answer that question with a “yes.”

In short, Paul objects to two things as unnatural: one is male-male sex and the other is long hair on men and short hair on women. The community opposed to gay marriage takes one condemnation as timeless and universal and the other as culturally relative.

I also don’t doubt that those who advocate gay marriage are advocating a revision of the Christian tradition.

But the community opposed to gay marriage has itself revised the Christian tradition in a host of ways. For the first 1500 years of Christianity, for example, marriage was deemed morally inferior to celibacy. When a theologian named Jovinian challenged that hierarchy in 390 A.D. — merely by suggesting that marriage and celibacy might be equally worthwhile endeavors — he was deemed a heretic and excommunicated from the church.

How does that sit with “family values” activism today?

Yale New Testament professor Dale B. Martin has noted that today’s "pro-family" activism, despite its pretense to be representing traditional Christian values, would have been considered “heresy” for most of the church’s history.

The community opposed to gay marriage has also departed from the Christian tradition on another issue at the heart of its social agenda: abortion.

Unbeknownst to most lay Christians, the vast majority of Christian theologians and saints throughout history have not believed life begins at conception.

Although he admitted some uncertainty on the matter, the hugely influential 4th and 5th century Christian thinker Saint Augustine wrote, “it could not be said that there was a living soul in [a] body” if it is “not yet endowed with senses.”

Thomas Aquinas, a Catholic saint and a giant of mediaeval theology, argued: “before the body has organs in any way whatever, it cannot be receptive of the soul.”

American evangelicals, meanwhile, widely opposed the idea that life begins at conception until the 1970s, with some even advocating looser abortion laws based on their reading of the Bible before then.

It won’t do to oppose gay marriage because it’s not traditional while advocating other positions that are not traditional.

And then there’s the topic of divorce. Although there is only one uncontested reference to same-sex relations in the New Testament, divorce is condemned throughout, both by Jesus and Paul. To quote Jesus from the Gospel of Mark: “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery.”

A possible exception is made only for unfaithfulness.

The community most opposed to gay marriage usually reads these condemnations very leniently. A 2007 issue of Christianity Today, for example, featured a story on its cover about divorce that concluded that Christians should permit divorce for “adultery,” “emotional and physical neglect” and “abandonment and abuse.”

The author emphasizes how impractical it would be to apply a strict interpretation of Jesus on this matter: “It is difficult to believe the Bible can be as impractical as this interpretation implies.”

Indeed it is.

On the other hand, it’s not at all difficult for a community of Christian leaders, who are almost exclusively white, heterosexual men, to advocate interpretations that can be very impractical for a historically oppressed minority to which they do not belong – homosexuals.

Whether the topic is hair length, celibacy, when life begins, or divorce, time and again, the leaders most opposed to gay marriage have demonstrated an incredible willingness to consider nuances and complicating considerations when their own interests are at stake.

Since graduating from seminary, I no longer identify with the evangelical community of my youth. The community gave me many fond memories and sound values but it also taught me to take the very human perspectives of its leaders and attribute them to God.

So let’s stop the charade and be honest.

Opponents of gay marriage aren’t defending the Bible’s values. They’re using the Bible to defend their own.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Jonathan Dudley.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Bible • Christianity • Homosexuality • Opinion

soundoff (6,474 Responses)
  1. Jacky

    Would Jesus bless a gay marriage?

    July 15, 2011 at 10:35 am |
    • Notcool

      would jesus bless you for hateing them : retard answer no <--you

      Smart answer yes<- God

      July 15, 2011 at 10:37 am |
    • Narob

      Don't stop!

      July 15, 2011 at 12:06 pm |
    • Eric

      Yes lol yes he would

      July 15, 2011 at 4:05 pm |
    • 4freedom32

      Jesus would not bless a gay marriage. This is a sin and God will deal with all these people when they die. I will not condem or accept any gay person or what they do, its against my beleifs. Only God can condem or bless you, all I can say is I feel sorry for you.

      July 15, 2011 at 4:14 pm |
    • JW

      I think 4freedom32 is Fred Phelps.

      July 15, 2011 at 5:19 pm |
  2. Jacky

    Would Jesus bless a gay marriage??

    July 15, 2011 at 10:34 am |
    • Rene

      Not likely.

      July 15, 2011 at 10:44 am |
    • Seer

      Jesus' #1 teaching was love. How would he not bless love in any form?

      By taking the initiative to become the mouthpiece of God, you are committing heresy.

      July 15, 2011 at 11:43 am |
  3. Gayle

    "Opponents of gay marriage aren’t defending the Bible’s values. They’re using the Bible to defend their own."

    Just like the author of this blog. Yet if you really want to know the truth you must follow the direction of James (chapter 1 verse 5), and ask God.

    July 15, 2011 at 10:11 am |
    • AvdBerg

      Gayle, you are correct but there is one principle problem and that is that only few (Matthew 7:17) are able to understand the Bible as the natural man receiveth not the things that are of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he understand them, because they are spiritually discerned (1 Cor. 2:14). For a better understanding what mankind must do to be able to understand the Bible we invite you to read all the pages and articles of the website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca

      July 15, 2011 at 10:21 am |
    • Observer

      Gayle,
      If you REALLY want to know the truth, you'll ask yourself why you are on here picking on gays when there are FAR FAR more Christians committing the sin of adultery. There's a story on CNN about that right now. Where are all the Christians complaining about their fellow Christians?

      Why aren't you protesting seafood restaurants? Again, it's a FAR FAR larger group of sinners.

      Just pick and choose your favorite sins and ignor the BIGGER number of sins by believers.

      July 15, 2011 at 11:37 am |
  4. Douglas

    Jesus defined marriage as a union between one man and one woman – See Matthew 19 in the Bible, Jesus says,
    “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” This definition is clear and unambiguous.

    July 15, 2011 at 6:39 am |
    • Thomas

      Back when the bible was written it was all about procreation to keep the species going, which is why sperm was considered sacred and not to be wasted. Guess what we know better now. If you really want to take the bible so literally then couples that don't reproduce should not be allowed to be married. The people that wrote the bible and yes it was people because the New Testament was written years after Jesus was dead didn't understand about those that are different than them. That's why the handicapped were also viewed in a negative light as well. This primitive mind set has no place in our world today.

      July 15, 2011 at 9:32 am |
    • Observer

      Did you read the part saying "what God has joined together, let no one separate"?

      There are FAR FAR more Christians who have committed that sin than there are total number of gays.
      So why aren't you picking on them? Just choose your favorite sins and ignor the rest.

      July 15, 2011 at 11:45 am |
  5. kylemullaney

    It is good thing that our arguments are not built on tacit Hal interpretation of the bible but on proper interpretation even when we realize our most charished theologians were wrong or had problems. The argument on Paul is false, he argues at other points that marriage is clearly between a male an female. Please please shop these articles around the hazard in Israel and see what they see. Do researched on ancient Jewish traditions and you will see it was simply not accepted. Even then that is not where the argument lies. It lies in scripture. Yes call me a fundi if you like but if I claim to build my life on scripture the consistent path for me would be to argue from the scriptures. I am not arguing what is practical or culturally "acceptable", nor would any evangelical. Culture is created by fallen and sinful men and therefore is never ging to be right. Every culture is flawed none is inherently better than the other but yes cultures are wrong and should not br preserved in when they hind faithfulness to scriptures. Faithful adherence to the Christ and Hod of the scriptures will remarkably alter the local culture.

    July 15, 2011 at 1:26 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Bullshit! There are no gods and your book of tribal mythology is full of crap!!

      July 15, 2011 at 1:30 am |
    • Thomas

      "he argues at other points that marriage is clearly between a male an female. "

      Are you lost on understanding that the bible is written from a straight person's point of view, who didn't understand gays and lesbians. Of course Paul is going to think male and female is the norm because he is straight and ignorant. Do you honestly believe that back then they truly understood that there are people born differently than themselves. No, because we continue to see that prejudice att_itude today. Just like some still believe the white race is the only good race. Narrow minded people like you show why Christianity is still stuck in the dark ages.

      July 15, 2011 at 9:26 am |
  6. harford

    i have a question for all my gay friends...if your parents(mommy,daddy) decided that one day they were gay before you were born what would happen to you ????
    would you be mad at them??

    July 15, 2011 at 12:47 am |
    • Observer

      What possible difference should it make except to ignorant h0m0phobes?

      July 15, 2011 at 12:55 am |
    • jean

      Harford...

      first off, no one "decides to become gay". "Gee, what will I do today – hey I know, I will become gay!" Try it – it just doesn't happen. If you can decide to become gay, you already are. You can only choose to accept yourself and move on or pretend you are not.

      if a couple decides not to have children before the children are conceived, then those "children" would never exist and wouldn't feel anything at all – which seems to be the silly question that you seem to be asking.

      I am gay and came out after my children were born. They have no problem with it. They are loving and supportive, possibly because I have always been a loving and supportive parent as opposed to a judgmental one. We have always had a great relationship and continue to.

      July 15, 2011 at 4:40 am |
  7. Dave

    When we do wrong someone corrects us....the moment God says we are wrong we take it out on his messengers because we don’t want to be told we are wrong..the Bible tells us and we refuse to change and we twist it sayings.. how can we and who are we to change GOD word..Its plain truth the Bible says "Our righteous are as filthy rags" no matter good, kind or nice we try to be.. God is still dealing with our hearts and they must come unto repentance it is God who will judge our Spirits..Men can on judge the flesh..but God judges flesh and Spirit and cast it into the lake of fire.. Who can stop him!
    God is not a respecter of persons, He is going to Judge us all small and great no exceptions

    July 15, 2011 at 12:42 am |
    • Thomas

      ".the moment God says we are wrong we take it out on his messengers because we don’t want to be told we are wrong."

      You are not his messenger, people like you are only fueling the hatred and bigotry toward a minority group you don't understand and won't accept as your equal. History has shown that sometimes the messengers get it completely wrong and have to be corrected in order for civil rights to prevail.

      July 15, 2011 at 9:18 am |
    • Rene

      Amen!

      July 15, 2011 at 10:36 am |
  8. Dave

    The word of God was inspired by God not all the act in the bible were inspired by God. Satan entered Judas just like evil spirit have entered people and their minds have being given over to do evil.. Eph 6;12. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Satan and his demons are deceiving many.(no one knows when the coming of the Lord will be so it is not right for any one to put a date or time to it we are only given events, social behavior and political agendas. Matthew 24:14. "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. 2 Tim 3:16. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,.....

    July 15, 2011 at 12:15 am |
    • Rene

      I have found that as much as you try to tell someone they are wrong they will never listen. Let them find out on their own. They are mistaken and being mislead by people/society. They want to be told they are okay. They will find out differently in the end...

      July 15, 2011 at 10:39 am |
    • LetsThink123

      Dave/Rene
      Satan does not exist, he was invented by ancient man to explain away the evil in the world.
      Rene,
      isn't it odd that the non-believers will only find out that they are wrong in the "end". Has any believer in christ come back after death to tell u that christ is real and accepted them after death? how come no christians/believers ever come back to tell u if they like heaven or not? Its cause their DEAD! Thats what happens, you just die. Most religions assert something that isn't verifiable, like jesus meeting u after death and judging u, hindus believe that u will be reincarnated, etc... But there is no way to prove that!
      So don't be so sure that two opposing ideas (heaven/hell and reincarnation) are true to wish it on other people.

      August 24, 2011 at 2:39 pm |
  9. DDS>YDS

    Though I could say a lot about this article and its mishandling of Paul and some basic logic I will only say two things

    1. It seems like Mr. Dudley is hanging his brothers and sisters in Christ out to dry in front of a secular audience simply to promote the sale of his book in an exercise of half hearted intellectualism.

    2. On Aquinas-Organs begin to form at 5 weeks after conception, which for the strictest of Thomian would rule out an abortion after that time period has passed.

    July 15, 2011 at 12:02 am |
    • Jacky

      You "could say a lot," but of course you don't, meaning your comment is sheer bluster.

      Apparently, you think it's wrong to publicly critique fellow Christians. Good thing the abolitionists and civil rights activists in out culture's history haven't believed that.

      And if you were more familiar with the scholarship on Aquinas, you would know that many scholars think his principle, in light of modern science, would place the beginning of ensoulment around 5-6 months after conception.

      YDS>>>>>>>DDS

      July 15, 2011 at 7:29 am |
  10. halbert

    How many of you Bible thumpers have ever read the Bible? I have. Cover to cover. Do you remember where Lot f–ked his daughters, and it was good? Some of you perverts out there will think that was the word of God too? Right? As the poet said, Candy is dandy, but incest is best. Especially when God says so.

    July 14, 2011 at 10:39 pm |
    • Rick

      Dear Halbert-We're actually not Bible thumpers, we're Bible believers. Meaning, that we believe as the prophets, Jesus the Son of God, and the apostles taught, that the Bible is the authoratative Word of God. Man rejects it because it does not condone sin. You mistakenly thought that the Bible was condoning incest in Genesis 19-but you reveal your ignorance of the Bible. Throughout the Scriptures, God mentions the horrific sins of man. Whether it's incest, sodomy, or anger. Just because He mentions them, does not mean that He condones them. Rather in so doing, He exposes the sinful heart of man. Thereby revealing man's desperate need for a Savior who is Christ Jesus the Lord. All who hold to your perspective have created a god that you have invented or imagined in your own sinful, fallen mind and is not the true and living God revealed to us in Scripture. He is by nature loving, longsuffering, gracious, and at the same time holy, just, righteous and a hater of sin but also forgiving of those who will repent (turn from sin), and trust in His Son Jesus Christ. Jesus' death on the cross-was the sacrifice that alone satisfied the wrath of God aimed at man for every sin committed from the beginning until the end. It took a perfect life lived, and a sinless Savior to pay the penalty for sinners like you and me.

      July 15, 2011 at 12:53 am |
    • Observer

      "You mistakenly thought that the Bible was condoning incest in Genesis 19-but you reveal your ignorance of the Bible."

      Like so many contradictions in the Bible, this is a case of God saying "do as I say, not as I do". God seemed to like incest enough to use it twice to POPULATE the world.

      July 15, 2011 at 1:00 am |
    • LetsThink123

      @Rick,
      ahaha, god does not condone incest?
      According to the bible, Adam and eve were the first and only 2 humans. I know adam and eve is a myth but i will go on to explain my point. If adam and eve were the only ones, then they had kids (which is fine and not incest). But in order for their kids to have kids, they would have to sleep with each other and hence INCEST! So god CONDONED incest, get it?
      I've always argued that if believers learned to think critically that they would easily see the flaws in the bible. But no, most believers believe blindly without thought.

      August 24, 2011 at 2:45 pm |
  11. Jacky

    Does this mean it's okay to be gay???????????????????????????

    July 14, 2011 at 10:28 pm |
    • Tammy

      If you ask God to show you, I bet you'll get your answer. I believe he is trying to show that they are misunderstood and shouldn't be persuaded the way the Christian community is doing it.

      July 14, 2011 at 10:39 pm |
    • Tammy

      "persuaded "

      That was suppose to be persecuted, I am human sue me. 🙂

      July 14, 2011 at 10:44 pm |
  12. Dave

    Being an intellectual, kind, nice or a good person don't get you into heaven but accepting the Gospel confessing your
    sins, accepting and making Jesus Christ the lord of your life does...until we see ourselves as poor in spirit and need a Savior we would remain the same rebellious, disobedient, lawless and self justifying. We must repent. Born again is a Spiritual rebirth, regeneration, new life being infused in us.. the presence of the HOLY SPIRIT now in us, not living by the dictates of the old fallen nature the lawless disobedient spirit that worked every evil in us..we must suppress that spirit it is a struggle but God has given us His Holy Spirit so we can have victory.

    July 14, 2011 at 10:25 pm |
    • Rick

      "His Holy Spirit so we can have victory."

      You haven't listen to the Holy Spirit of today. The APA has shown that everything people knew about gays and lesbians was created by prejudice and bias people, that includes the translators of the bible. What you have to ask yourself is why you continue to hold to your personal prejudice and hatred towards others that are different from you.

      July 14, 2011 at 10:37 pm |
    • Sue

      Dave is a bigoted jerk, plain and simple. Dave, take your religious spew and shove it hard up your an-us where it came from.

      July 14, 2011 at 10:44 pm |
    • Seriously?

      Sue....Dave won't recognize it, his ego is to big.

      July 14, 2011 at 10:49 pm |
    • halbert

      Pace, religionists. But you're idiots! Hello, the world didn't end on May 21st. The Bible is a good legend. All this stuff is crap! If you really want to follow the Christ, treat one another as you would wish to be treated and love your God and all humans. After that, all is good. Hating other people and having political agendas is anti-Christian. Do you need Him to smack you in the head to realize it?

      July 14, 2011 at 11:01 pm |
    • Observer

      "Being an intellectual, kind, nice or a good person don't get you into heaven"

      Why brag about that? It doesn't look like anything to be proud of. Instead, you must believe in something that can't be proved. It doesn't seem like an intelligent and fair way to run a world.

      July 14, 2011 at 11:52 pm |
    • Brandon

      I'm with you Dave. Thanks for being a defender of the faith.

      July 15, 2011 at 12:34 am |
    • tallulah13

      So in other words, the only people who will go to heaven will be people who blindly believe what they are told and hate those who they are told to hate. That doesn't sound like paradise. It sounds like he-ll.

      I think I'll stick with being dead when I die. No reward, no punishment, just a simple end to existence. Sounds like heaven to me.

      July 15, 2011 at 1:39 am |
    • LetsThink123

      @Dave
      you said, "Being an intellectual, kind, nice or a good person don't get you into heaven"
      Don't u realize that non-believers and people from other religions don't care? hindus believe they will be reincarnated, they don't accept jesus. buddhists only want to live a good way of life, they dont believe in jesus. and so on... And the biggest problem with ur statement is that there is no proof of a heaven! its made up! dont u realize u r believing there is a heaven with no evidence at all?

      August 24, 2011 at 2:51 pm |
  13. Nocordoba

    1 Corinthians 15-16 but that it's a womans glory to wear her hair long? Her hair is given her as a covering 16 But if anyone means to argue about it -we don't have such a custom, nor do God's churches.

    Now also right above that verse. 11 Yet in the Lord a woman needs a man ,and a man needs a woman 12 As the Woman was made from the man, so a man is born from a woman and it all comes from God.

    I think that verse just said that if you are a Christian (in the Lord) a man needs a woman (it is necessary for it not to be a sin) if marriage is to be right and vice versa. Yep budy you paid a lot of attention during classes.

    July 14, 2011 at 9:33 pm |
    • Rick

      There are a lot of things in the bible that Christians dont' follow...like divorce, allowing a woman to speak in church, a woman needs to be submissive to her husband, etc...etc.. That's the point people like you pick and choose what you want to believe, but you definitely will pick what justify your personal prejudice and hatred. You proved him right.

      July 14, 2011 at 10:21 pm |
    • Seriously?

      Survival was so important back in that time, woman died in childbirth, diseases, etc. Back then having kids was important so of course the writers are going to push procreation what you have to ask yourself is now that the earth is so overpopulated and consuming all the resources that was pretty short sighted of God now wasn't it.

      July 14, 2011 at 10:48 pm |
  14. Dave

    There are many people with no respect for Jesus Christ the son of God who take his name in vain and say all kinds of disgraceful things about him “blaspheming” because of Him we are experiencing God's grace but OUR TIME IS RUNING OUT!!!!!

    July 14, 2011 at 9:29 pm |
    • Sue

      Dave, pi-ss off. The rapture never came and your god doesn't exist.

      July 14, 2011 at 10:46 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @dave
      “Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.”
      —1 John 2:18
      Christians have been waiting on tenterhooks for the Second Coming since the Bible itself was written.
      Many have prophesied the exact time of date of His return and ALL have been wrong.
      George Rapp said it would be September 15th, 1829.
      William Miller predicted October 22, 1844. Jesus’ failure to arrive is known as “The Great Disappointment”. Many of his disillusioned followers went on the found the 7th Day Adventist Church, who are still patiently awaiting His return.
      Charles Russell, 1st President of the Watchtower Society told his fellow Jehovah’s Witnesses that Jesus would be back in 1874.
      Rudolf Steiner maintained that from 1930 onwards, Jesus would grant certain people psychic powers to enable them to witness his presence in the “etheric plane”.
      Herbert Armstrong, Pastor General of the Worldwide Church of God said 1975.
      Bill Maupin managed to convince his followers to sell all of their worldly goods in preparation for Jesus’ return on June 28th, 1981.
      Benjamin Crème stated that on June 21st, 1982 Christ would make a worldwide television announcement.
      Mark Blitz, Pastor of El Shaddai Ministries says it would be September 30th, 2008
      Jerry Falwell said it’d happen between 1999 and 2009.
      Harold Camping told everyone that the Rapture would happen May 21, 2011 after failing in his first predicted date of 1994.

      July 15, 2011 at 9:36 am |
    • LetsThink123

      @Dave
      Jesus was not the son of god. I know u don't like to think critically and just blindly believe whatever you were told, but here r some points to ponder:
      1. Jesus came to earth to save us from original sin committed by adam and eve. Adam and eve never existed. The worlds population could not come from just 2 people. It is not genetically possible (mendelian genetics). It is a fact, we did not come from incest. So this means that Jesus died for our sins because someone made up a story about adam and eve committing original sin who never existed. If Jesus is god, shouldn't he know that he came to die for a mythical story?
      2. Remember during the temptation in the desert, when Satan took Jesus to a high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the earth? Obviously both Jesus and Satan and the biblical authors who made up this story did not know that the earth was round. No matter how high a mountain I take you to, you cannot see all the kingdoms of the earth because the earth is round. Jesus who u consider god was not aware of this simple fact. How can someone who u attribute a god status to not know that the earth is round??
      3. Jesus said he would return to earth when the last person of his generation died, "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.” – Matthew 24:34". Jesus states that all the signs marking the end of the world in Matthew 24 would be fulfilled before his generation ended. That generation ended 2000 years ago, and the world has not come to an end, neither has all those signs been fulfilled. Another quote of Jesus coming back, "Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven." Jesus tells the high priest (Caiaphas) that he would see his second coming. The high priest is long dead, and Jesus hasn't returned yet. So why was Jesus wrong so many times on his return? Maybe cause he is not god or never actually existed?
      Please think about those points, thanks!

      August 24, 2011 at 3:04 pm |
  15. Dave

    Galations 5:19. Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, licentiousness,
    20. idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
    21. envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Justifing will come to and end God has spoken already read more.John 3:20. "For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. This is God speaking to Cain Genesis 4: 6. So the Lord said to Cain, "Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen?
    7. "If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it." we all have a choice to do right or no to follow Him or not to be influence by Satan or not, to be deceived or not, to walk in rebellion or not, to repent or not but be willing for all of eternity to deal with God's Judgement.

    Social behavior comes from thoughts in the mind...Who's influencing us? Satan and self pleasures.

    July 14, 2011 at 8:25 pm |
    • Michael

      For TheJlew. I contemplated a comment of sorts in defense of what the Bible says...however...your comment rings true and I couldn't have said anything better. So I leave it to one more word
      "Amen"

      July 14, 2011 at 9:40 pm |
    • Rick

      "Social behavior comes from thoughts in the mind...Who's influencing us? Satan and self pleasures."

      So the greed you have in your life is that of Satan, how big is the place you have, how many TV's do you have, cars, etc...do you feed the hungry, help the homeless that holdup signs asking for help, how many children left in the orphanges have you adopted?. How fat are you? All you have to do is look at those that claim to be Christian to recognize that their lives are full of self pleasures....which means you are worshipers of Satan.

      July 14, 2011 at 10:26 pm |
    • Sue

      Dave, you wimp, stop pawning off your desires on a fairy tale.

      July 14, 2011 at 10:47 pm |
  16. Sarah25

    Analyze it till the cows come home; but the simple fact is that God created life with the template of Adam and Eve, and male/female anatomy fit together for the purpose of reproduction. I think God's blueprint for coupling is pretty obvious: 1 man, 1 woman.

    July 14, 2011 at 8:17 pm |
    • Sue

      So how come some of the other protruberance and hole combinations fit together so well too and feel so good? Or haven't you been able to find a partner that would try them with you yet?

      July 14, 2011 at 9:32 pm |
    • Gavin Boothroyd

      Yet in modern America many marriages bear no children...

      If a man wants to marry another man, let him.

      July 14, 2011 at 9:38 pm |
    • Rick

      That's why there are animals that have gay relationships, God is sending you are message you're nothing but a prejudice evil person who's ego is lost to the devil.

      July 14, 2011 at 10:14 pm |
    • LetsThink123

      Adam and eve never existed. No need to bring up a mythical story. I explained in a post earlier why adam and eve cannot be true, don't feel like regurgitating it here.

      August 24, 2011 at 3:26 pm |
  17. halbert

    I've been waiting (years) to see when a scholar will finally point out that the Catholic Church's preferred scholar (Thomas Aquinas) held with his hero Aristotle that life doesn't begin at conception. But all the Christian Right bigots, Creationists, and Fox News adherents out there HATE scholars and scientists. The comments seem to imply that the author of this article must be a closet gay if he has a scholar's point of view and questions the party's hatred of gays. Poor guy is being pilloried (any of you morons out there know what that word means?) for some intellectual honesty. There's so much anti-intellectual hatred in this country, it's no wonder our students finish last in academic performance.

    July 14, 2011 at 8:14 pm |
    • Dave

      To condemn openly, especially as evil. v.denounce, censure, pillory, shame, criticize, vilify....Thomas is not the one that brings you to conviction but the Holy Spirit. The Bible says let God be true and all men liars we all only see dimly.The word of God is perfect tried and true. Examine the word of God for yourself to see if what anyone say lines up with it. If not its a lie..men would always speculate and have opinons..even build doctrines from their interpertations but it can always be checked by the word of God to see if its truth.. We are fallen and lost Science is only discovering the wonderful works of God in their desire to gain knowledge pride has set in and they have tried to surpress God.. How foolish we have become..

      For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
      21. because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
      22. Professing to be wise, they became fools, See what has happened to us....we have become fools..

      July 14, 2011 at 9:54 pm |
    • Rick

      "The Bible says let God be true and all men liars we all only see dimly.The word of God is perfect tried and true."

      That's why it's filled with contradictions which means you've been brainwashed to over look that fact.

      July 14, 2011 at 10:16 pm |
    • halbert

      To the commentators: I have no use for your Biblical references. It is a fact that the Bible you quote is redacted and mistranslated. And after that, who cares? Anyone can write fiction.

      July 14, 2011 at 10:26 pm |
    • Dan

      Halbert...The RCC did not adopt everything Aquinas said. He did not believe that Mary was conceived without original sin (which was not binding on Catholics to believe until the 1854). It seems that when others attempted to answer you, you got angry and snapped. Why bring it up then?

      July 15, 2011 at 2:19 am |
  18. AntiPalinAlaskan

    This painting of Paul probably explains why he thought long hair on men was "unnatural":

    July 14, 2011 at 7:54 pm |
    • Jacky

      LOL. Pretty long beard though.

      July 14, 2011 at 8:04 pm |
    • epona41

      LOL!!! oh dear. that was a very good picture and made me laugh out loud. Thank you!

      July 15, 2011 at 1:47 am |
  19. James Black

    just ignore.

    July 14, 2011 at 7:04 pm |
    • ....

      ~~~~~Troll ALERT, don't bother watching this garbage, hit the report abuse link....

      July 14, 2011 at 7:06 pm |
  20. Marie Kidman

    what are you here for, reading comments and tell us not to cause they're garbage??

    July 14, 2011 at 7:03 pm |
    • ....

      Yes your video is complete garbage and not worth anyone's time you're a TROLL.

      July 14, 2011 at 7:07 pm |
    • Troll Alert

      Because the poster who is posting that stupid video can't take a hint and understand people are removing the post for a reason. They're ANNOYING and that video isn't worth watching. Get a life.

      July 14, 2011 at 7:19 pm |
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