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Dutch ban on Jewish, Muslim butchering passes hurdle
June 28th, 2011
12:10 PM ET

Dutch ban on Jewish, Muslim butchering passes hurdle

From Eileen Hsieh, CNN

Dutch lawmakers Tuesday approved an animal-rights measure that would ban Jewish and Muslim methods of ritual slaughter, the Parliament press office said.

It must now go to the Senate for a vote, which will likely happen in September, press officer Leon Van Schie told CNN.

The Dutch Party for the Animals proposed closing a loophole in the Dutch law that allows Jews and Muslims to kill animals that have not been anesthetized first.

"The Party for the Animals believes that freedom of religion must end where animal suffering begins," leader Marianne Thieme wrote on her blog before the measure went to a vote Tuesday.

Stunning animals before butchering is not allowed by Jewish or Muslim law.

David Zwartz, the chairman of the Wellington Jewish Council, fought successfully against a similar proposal in New Zealand last year.

He said that for Jews, the Dutch measure would be "an attack on their freedom to practice their religion in a way that they have done for thousands of years."

He compared the proposal to Nazi-era laws.

"The banning of shechita was introduced as an anti-Jewish law by the Nazis in Germany three months after they came into power in 1933," said Zwartz, using the Hebrew word for Jewish ritual slaughter.

"The banning in Nazi German-occupied Poland and the Netherlands was overtly anti-Jewish, " Zwartz said.

"Freedom of religious practice is a hallmark of civilized (and most Western) societies. In New Zealand it is covered by our Bill of Rights Act. For Orthodox Jews, the eating of kosher meat is a central part of their belief," he said.

Britain's Chief Rabbi, Jonathan Sacks, traveled to the Netherlands two weeks ago to lobby against the law.

Abdulfettah Ali-Salah, the director of the Halal Correct Certification organization in the Netherlands, argued that Jewish and Muslim methods of slaughter are humane.

"They claim that ritual killing without stunning cause more pain for the animals then with stunning, but I don't agree," he told CNN.

"Many scientists even don't agree, if ritual slaughtering without stunning happens according to the right procedure," he said.

The ban could force Jews and Muslims to get their meat from other countries, he said.

"Many believers, if they are Jewish, Muslim, have to search for other alternatives - probably import from abroad and from Islamic countries," he said.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

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  1. Wulfbait

    Religion again! People follow stupid rules for thousands of years without ever asking why. All for an immagenary person. Kill the animal any way you want. It does not matter to the animal or to the food that comes from it. Fools follow rules that have no basis in reality.

    June 29, 2011 at 3:34 pm |
  2. Muneef

    Have heard about that happening to men dragged by cars but never an animal I heard of....this was practiced by the com-m-unist party taking over the Ruling after the date the British left Aden 1967... Many of the most intelgents of the Colony were then killed and butchered into pieces filled into gunny bags and left each in front of his house or family house...

    That was fine for humans and acceptable by all means taking over in every country of conflict on every continent, but still so much caring about animals more than humans? So lovely animals and dear to you more than humans? Guess you will endup worshipping it as did the children of Israel on their Exudes lade by Moses....
    Or maybe as some worshiped the cow and so on...We are back to Paganisem as can see...? So easy for those who love animals to sacrifice a human child for their Pagans or Devil Worshippers....how many child sacrificed for the Voodo and Witch Doctor in Africa same heard over in India children were/are used as sacrifices for Pagans&Devil Worshippers...!!?

    So you left all that behind and tell me about how we should make our first kill to an animal that we been doing for centuries? This whole issue is brought up by industrialists since the process of HALAL meats and Process of Pork is costing them a lot of time and procedures they want to save by this ban....stupid thing really where they could have made Two Separate Processing Lines where One for HALAL Meats while the other for Pork and non HALAL meats...where the scales can be built on the demand...! Wouldn't such act would have saved all this division being generated among your unity...?
    http://www.ehalal.org/zabiha.html

    We do not want to eat a meat filled with anti biotics and drugs nor an animal meat with blood filled blood vessels..
    We want to eat meat that was killed only after saying in the name of God,God is bigger...otherwise allow us to have our own small butcheries or allow us to make our own slaughter where we live...
    Isn't that right from the rights citizens granted or are you some how squeezing those you do not want out of the country by such acts...why have you opened your doors from the first place to other cultures....Islam is 1400 years old and not a new religion..couldn't you have read the History that repeat it self before opening your doors? Now after many years since the IIWW Many movements made and many generations have taken place and you can't just decide that you have changed your mind...Jews,Muslims and so on to every religion on line...that believes in God or say God is One...!

    June 29, 2011 at 3:29 pm |
    • Sree

      You are one heck of a blood thirty vampire, ain't you. The Sword, Knives, Bombs and 'Peace' sums up your history.

      June 29, 2011 at 3:54 pm |
    • Zhoukovsky

      Not as many, as the online beheading jihadist posts!

      June 29, 2011 at 3:56 pm |
    • Zhoukovsky

      'Kill, in the name of god'. Ain;t that what you do everywhere around everyday. You just quoted, and the world know you exactly do that. And claim peace. WoW.
      Kill. Maime. Slaughter. Flog. Execute. Fight. Bomb. Blood. Is there anything that you guys do, other than these? Guess NO.

      June 29, 2011 at 4:04 pm |
    • Zhoukovsky

      And way better than inexistant-Blahlah worshippers, who behead 'valuable' humans, in the 'name of god' and post on youtube.
      Shameless morons.

      June 29, 2011 at 4:09 pm |
    • Muneef

      It is not my problem that you are vegetarian, it is not my problem that you worship cows...

      July 2, 2011 at 7:18 am |
    • Sree

      As if you bunch of murderers have any value for humans. Tell you what, you criminals can never understand value of any form of life, so there is no point in explaining further – the capacity is simply NOT there. Thats till you figure out what death would mean, till then, keep killing, no body will stop you, your intelligence will never. Murderer.

      October 8, 2011 at 1:05 pm |
  3. Xandra

    The only humane thing to do here is for everyone to become vegetarian. It not only avoids cruelty to animals, but is healthier for people and easier on the environment. No-brainer.

    June 29, 2011 at 2:55 pm |
  4. Osaru

    So, it's okay to artificially inflate the growth of an animal with hormones, it's ok to keep animals packed in tight, feces ridden buildings with out the light of day, and to line them up to get slaughtered by machines but it's not ok to raise an animal in a healthy environment and to have the human being who raised that animal be the one to slit it's throat when it's time. You're all a bunch of ignorant haters, just looking for anything to make yourself feel better than Jews or Muslims. Or you're vegan and hate seeing any animal get raised and killed. Get over yourselves. I'm not even remotely religious but I know well enough that the ritual slaughter as practiced by Muslims and Jews is one of the most humane ways to butcher an animal and that they don't poison the meat with artificial chems and meds. Your "civilized" world is a lie. Your leaders are poisoning you and your food you keep giving 'em money to keep doing it. Congrats to you fools!

    June 29, 2011 at 2:28 pm |
  5. Amazed!

    Folks, all hatred aside, this is mind boggling what the Muslims do, check out this vidoe my friend sent:

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quhVxLUwiBw&w=640&h=360]

    June 29, 2011 at 1:47 pm |
    • Sree

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1vavWPKVkc&w=640&h=360]

      June 29, 2011 at 3:47 pm |
  6. Rainer Braendlein

    As far as I know the reason for Muslim butchering is that they want all blood to leave the body of the animal. After the throat is cut, the animal keeps on living for some minutes. This is what they intend, because in it's agony the animal's heart will pump out all blood. Because the brain and the nervous system continues to work after the cut, the animal suffers infinitely.

    I have read the whole Bible several times. There is no command to butcher animals in the Muslim way. To the contrary, the whole content of the Bible shows that animal torture is strictly prohibited.

    There is a command (even for Christians) not to consume blood. However, when you shoot an animal (headshot), cut it open immediately after the shoot and hang it up, all blood will leave the animal and there is no suffering at all.

    Congratulations on the Dutch. They approved a good law.

    June 29, 2011 at 1:03 pm |
    • Sree

      Glad to hear that Jesus didn't endorse all those blood shed, he probably did discover more peace in life than in death.
      Blood and death didnt bring any peace to anybody, however hard you try.

      June 29, 2011 at 1:26 pm |
    • Osaru

      You think Muslims purposely intend to cause agony to the animal? You're an idiot. Ritual slaughter in most religions is all about the most peaceful and humane way to kill an animal. Hater.

      June 29, 2011 at 2:26 pm |
    • Sree

      Kill and Peace. The 2 words that summarize your peace.

      June 29, 2011 at 3:00 pm |
  7. Rabbi Barry

    Kosher slaughter is also known in Hebrew as "shechita."

    Judaism has always respected the lives of animal – from the time of giving of the Ten Commandments until the present. Rules for kosher slaughtering of animals developed from the rules of the sacrificial system in the Temple. By the time of the Rabbis – at least 2000 years ago – Jews took the lives of animals as humanely as possible according to the best science of the day.

    During those 3000 and more years, animals were slaughtered in the most inhumane ways by virtually every people on the face of the earth. This inhumane slaughtering continues today in more places in the world than not.

    Recently, kosher slaughtering has been undergoing some change in response to new scientific information. Jews have begun to alter the traditional "hoisting and shackling" to favor a pen, even though it is a much slower procedure and increases the cost of kosher meat.

    In addition to being lifted up, a ritual slaughterer must move to the animal quickly, use a knife that is incredibly sharp and without even the slightest nick, and cut through the animal's trachea and esophagus in a single motion (at least one of these for fowl). All this is required in order to try to minimize the animal's suffering.

    The ultimate question is whether it is possible to kill an animal without causing some pain and fear? Given the answer is not definitely positive, Judaism has endorsed vegetarianism – which does not require killing an animal – as a "higher" form of eating.

    June 29, 2011 at 12:18 pm |
    • Sree

      Glad to hear that. This is why I RESPECT Judaism as a religion, because they have steps to genuinely ACKNOWLEDGE problems and address the issue – than claim there is no suffering if killed according to my book(How Hippocratic is that!) and mop it under the mat like the other guys do.

      connect earthlings.com and watch what goes on live, than sit around, cook imaginations and text from your posh laptop.

      June 29, 2011 at 12:32 pm |
    • Love That Middle East!

      IT's nice to see that Judaism is so humane. If only they would kill the Palestinians with the same sensitivity.

      At least the baby cows aren't bombed with white phosphorus.

      June 29, 2011 at 12:38 pm |
    • Rabbi Barry

      Love That Middle East!: Your comment has is not related to this topic in any way. I will not engage in this sort of dialogue with you because your only motive is to be hostile, not to actually resolve any issue.

      June 29, 2011 at 12:46 pm |
    • Sree

      yeah, suicide vests and online human halal postings are the ways to paradise, right. Iam niether jewish nor muslim but got to say, the mullah ways suck. Dont you guys pick a fight with every other group in the world – what peace do you hold till date of your existence since 1400 yrs, and what does god mean when there is NIL scope/credit history of peace.

      Rabbi, what you replied back is extremely logical, sensible and scientific – issue-to-issue. Appreciate it, sir.

      June 29, 2011 at 1:03 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      @Rabbi Barry- A nice and well researched comment..thank you.

      June 29, 2011 at 1:10 pm |
    • Sree

      The point is, the kind of unimaginable torture like gouging eyes out alive(like the recent Indonesian case where Australia suspended trade) or skinning out alive (like in earthlings.com) should NOT be part of any human culture, tradition, religion, science or modernity. I know ppl cannot accept vegetarianism, and wouldnt argue on that but atleast, let us practice treating co-living beings well and probably, that would serve to treat humans better. These unimaginable practices only prove to be homework ground for more unimaginable against human beings – you don't usually torture humans without having had the experience of practicing it on animals. Be civilized, and live nicely, rest god will take care.

      June 29, 2011 at 1:16 pm |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      In order to avoid any suffering of the animal, is it important to destroy it's brain promptly. Best method is a headshot.

      Don't try to play down the suffering of an animal, which is butchered in Muslim way. Muslim butchering has a basic deficiency: The animal keeps on living for some minutes after the cut, and that is terrible.

      June 29, 2011 at 1:24 pm |
    • Love That Middle East!

      You won't discuss the use of white phosphorus and indiscriminate bombing on Palestinian and Lebanese civilians? How convenient! You care about the cows but not human civilians and children?

      Yes, I would not discuss it either if I was you.

      June 29, 2011 at 11:57 pm |
  8. Barry

    This article incorrectly says the animals are anaesthetized – the truth is they are electronically stunned. The reason that this is forbidden according to Jewish law is BECAUSE it is painful for the animal. The whole idea of kosher slaughter is to minimize the pain to the animal by using a very sharp knife and cutting the carotid artery in one very swift movement. This ban is nonsensical! Non-kosher killing of animals using electric shock is more painful and therefore forbidden in Jewish law.

    June 29, 2011 at 11:45 am |
  9. doctore0

    So, they want to TORTURE animals for the magic man; Finally the jews and the muslims have found common ground.. torture animals

    June 29, 2011 at 11:11 am |
    • Uncouth Swain

      "magic man"?
      No one worships anything like that here. I think you must be confused.

      June 29, 2011 at 11:17 am |
  10. PandoraDoggl

    If you consider yourself or any other group of men suitable judges concerning the belief systems of other men when their practice does not harm other human beings, then perhaps you need to reexamine whether you really do believe in liberty.

    June 29, 2011 at 10:36 am |
    • Peace2All

      @PandoraDoggl

      Hey -PandoraDogg...

      So... You're 'only' criteria seems to be "as long as any beliefs and practices or actions do no harm to other 'humans' " then it automatically makes it o.k...?

      Are you sure about that...?

      Regards,

      Peace...

      June 29, 2011 at 11:33 am |
  11. sirius

    It is necessary to enforce the new law, the most modern standard of butchering. Import of so called halal meat should be prohibited too!

    June 29, 2011 at 9:36 am |
  12. Eveandthesnake

    All these stoneage practices were at one time useful to avoid food poisoning if you lived in a hot climate. As we (well, some of us) have moved on from the stonage, these practices are not required to lead a normal healthy life and says more about of these religious cults understand themselves and what they think they believe in.

    June 29, 2011 at 5:11 am |
  13. Norv

    I like the way the Rabbi 'does not believe' that killing without stunning is less painless – maybe he should try it first and let us know from the 'other side'. Religious people are so backwards.

    June 29, 2011 at 4:54 am |
    • Sree

      There are religions that have absolute strict NO kill/violence policies against all beings. And they are neither on CNN front pages daily for exploding themselves up for peace. Perhaps, that makes us uninformed lot but then, its a FACT.

      June 29, 2011 at 12:22 pm |
  14. Insan Mukmin

    Most animals can bear 7 times more pain than humans. The animal that experiences the most pain are pigs. Pigs sweat like humans. Pigs get sunburned like humans. Pigs squeal and scream the most when in fear or in pain. Pigs DNA is closest to humans are diseases from the animal world are passed to humans through pigs such as encephalitis. My suggestion to animal lovers – stop eating pork if you care.

    June 29, 2011 at 4:36 am |
    • Sree

      Are you a pig? You speak as if you have experienced being a pig. Stop forcing your idiotic books to others. Your stupidity, you deal. Perhaps, time to think about terrorism being bred and nourished world wide, than worry about pigs. People really amaze me!!!

      June 29, 2011 at 12:01 pm |
    • Sree

      Most animals can bear 7 times more pain than humans.
      Why NOT 6 0r 8? Are you sure it is precise 7.00. And by the way, what does a 7.0 pain mean. I know what a one kilo potato mean, or when my car drives 2 miles. Sure, the best way to RATIONALIZE/JUSTIFY your violent mode of living, no wonder you guys hid bin laden.

      The animal that experiences the most pain are pigs.
      Are you a pig, or did you experience being a pig. OR most probably, you were coached to believe so in the madrassas. You know Iam right.

      Pigs squeal and scream the most when in fear or in pain.
      WoW. I thought everybody scream when in fear and pain. Holy Pigness.

      Pigs DNA is closest to humans
      Yeah, you were the one to discover DNA, right.

      diseases from the animal world are passed to humans through pigs such as encephalitis.
      Dengue. Mad cow disease. Footh and Mouth. Bird Flue. To name just a FEW. Of which, Mosquitoes are known to be the most deadly to humans. Officially.

      My suggestion to animal lovers – stop eating pork if you care.
      Because Hitler said so?

      June 29, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
    • Sree

      The F.A.C.T is, you guys are violent from toe to tip of the hair. You may argue, justify, ignore, issue a fatwa, defend, hijack science or do whatever but that doesn't change F.A.C.T.

      June 29, 2011 at 12:17 pm |
  15. Rick

    There is nothing scarier than mindless collectivists who cling to senseless rituals and traditions under the pretext of religion. Also remarcable that 'cruelty' is a recurrent theme in all those traditions.

    June 29, 2011 at 4:02 am |
  16. 2Bob

    Yep, lets all be locked in to barbaric practices from 2000 years ago. That's religion for you.

    June 29, 2011 at 3:48 am |
  17. Friend

    Both child abuse and animal cruelty must stopped. No need for respecting culture there. Animal sacrifice was done away with when Jesus took the sin penalty of mankind upon Himself. One only needs to look up to Jesus and get saved and start a new life in God's Spirit.

    June 29, 2011 at 3:03 am |
    • Unknown

      Your a sad creature because you seem very unacknowledged about what your own bible says even when it comes to the Prophet Jesus. Either way... If you think the way Muslims and Jews kill animals for food is cruelty then you sir should immediately turn into a vegan because you seem really uneducated on what happens to the non Halal/Kosher meats from beef to chicken.

      June 29, 2011 at 3:09 am |
    • Friend

      And poptarts must be stopped too. They are the breakfast pastry of the antichrist.

      June 29, 2011 at 3:10 am |
    • True Friend

      The second "Friend" is a fake.

      June 29, 2011 at 3:12 am |
    • True Friend

      @Unknown, eating meat is okay. They just should kill animals painlessly as possible. And no fur, please. We don't need fur.

      June 29, 2011 at 3:14 am |
    • Unknown

      So true friend, your telling me that shocking them to death is less painful? are you kidding me? you slit the throat they instantly die, you shock them to death or put them in a slaughter machine is deff more painful, and what makes it worse is what they try stuff them with.... Any logical, educated person would not disagree with Halal and Kosher food..... Brainwashed on the other hand ..

      June 29, 2011 at 5:30 am |
    • Thorazina

      Actually, animals are not shocked to death. The shock is to stun them so that they are mentally out to lunch when they become . . . lunch.

      June 29, 2011 at 12:33 pm |
  18. Ha ha ha ..

    if it was only for muslims, none would care. but now it will effect jews so the law has to be reconsidered. I think the law is mainly targeted for muslims as very little number og jews live in NL. but those idiots didnt know that many muslim cultures are taken from Jews including halal law (kosher – for jews)

    June 29, 2011 at 2:35 am |
  19. So...

    Well, I certainly hope whomever came up with this ban doesn't eat meat. It would be quite hypocritical.

    It may seem barbaric, but these people actually appreciate where their meat comes from. Instead of just stuffing their faces with whatever the grocery store is carrying without a second thought of where it may come from or how THOSE animals were treated before they were "stunned".

    These Dutch.. I don't know.

    June 29, 2011 at 2:13 am |
  20. Adam

    Stunning is humane and painless? Ever been hit by a taser? Go look on youtube at all the "painless" videos!

    June 29, 2011 at 2:06 am |
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