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July 22nd, 2011
12:44 PM ET

New reality series tracks lives of American Muslims

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - TLC is premiering a reality series about the lives of American Muslims this fall,  "All American Muslim," the cable TV network announced this week.

The series tracks five Muslim families living around Dearborn, Michigan, home to one of the nation's largest Muslim enclaves.

The series is about “inviting viewers into a world they might not otherwise experience,” said TLC's general manager Amy Winter in a press release.

"Through these families and their diverse experiences, we will explore how they blend their values and traditions with everyday life in America," Winter said in the Thursday release, "providing insight into their culture with care and compassion.”

The series, which premieres in November, tracks "very distinct lives that often times challenge the Muslim stereotype," according to the release.

Characters include a pair of tight-knit sisters, one of whom wears a traditional Islamic headscarf and one who sports piercings and tattoos and has recently married an Irish Catholic man who is converting to Islam.

Another character is a consultant to big auto manufacturer and struggles to strike a balance between work and raising a modern Muslim family, according to the TLC release.

A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll released earlier this year found that 46% of all Americans have a favorable view of American Muslims, while 26% have an unfavorable view.

"Overall, positive views of American Muslims have risen since 2002, when memories of 9/11 were still fresh in most Americans' minds," said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland in March, when the poll was released.

In 2002, only 39% of all Americans said they had a favorable view of Muslims.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Islam • Michigan • TV

soundoff (533 Responses)
  1. Dan

    The show is about showing young ones how to properly behead someone, how to become a suicide bomber, be intolerant of all other religions, show men how to beat their wives and daughters for immoral behavior such as not covering up in public, how to use an Islamic charity to funnel money to terrorist organizations etc, etc. Sounds great.... Allah Akbar!

    July 23, 2011 at 11:00 am |
    • Ed

      troll

      July 23, 2011 at 11:15 am |
    • erica

      what a f"""ing moron

      July 23, 2011 at 11:21 am |
    • OceanLight

      Dan, that's not true. It's like saying Every American man is a gay. Stop it.

      July 23, 2011 at 11:39 am |
    • Bam bam

      exactly what the show is about!!!! Muslims are less than loccust

      July 24, 2011 at 9:52 am |
    • Jerry

      Hey Dan.... I want to come over your place and watch the first show. It'll be a Hoot. I'll bring the beer and goats you supply the camel dip!

      July 24, 2011 at 11:44 am |
    • JustAnotherMuslim

      Dan,

      You got us pegged man, what can I say. Just one little correction, Muslims say "Allah-u Akbar" not "Allah Akbar". Writing it "Allah Akbar" just makes you seem plain ignorant.

      M.

      July 25, 2011 at 4:43 am |
  2. labandme

    That's right....keep sucking up to muslims and maybe they'll like us. That CNN supports crap like this is terrible. If CNN was around in the 40's they'd be telling us how great the Nazis are.

    July 23, 2011 at 10:58 am |
  3. BottomFeeder

    A reality show for Muslims – how about a show that details them recruiting high schools students to go to Somalia to fight as a terrorists or maybe them fleecing the American taxpayer with their welfare scams ?? Better yet a detailed expose into how they have forced schools districts to spend millions of dollars to accommodate them? How many of them are here on expired student visa's?
    Let's examine how they can get drivers licenses when they can't read or speak English?
    Islam and Muslims have no place in a rational, reasonable society. Let t hem live their lives they way they want somewhere else. If they made any effort to assimilate into American society it would be different – they want us to change our ways to what they believe is the correct way to lives one life. They are a cancer – no cure and it is spreading !!!

    July 23, 2011 at 10:53 am |
  4. Christian Married to Muslim

    The problem with most people regarding Islam and Muslims comes down to fear and ignorance. If you educate yourself on that which is different from you, and i mean getting all the facts not just picking and choosing what words or phrases supports your view, then maybe you would see nothing is black and white, there are shades of grey. Religion is personal, and no one can be forced ( intimidated) to believe in God/Allah, otherwise its not truly having faith. Christianity and Islam both admonish that one has to be willing to believe of their own free will.

    July 23, 2011 at 10:45 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      The natural religion of mankind is theism, no matter what atheists claim.

      All differnt religions, excepted Christianity, have one root: A theism, which wants to please God by certain rituals, but not admitting the own, personal, moral imperfection

      Islam is a kind of theism. Muhammad has invented some ritual acts, which dispense the single Muslim from the law (Thora). Muslims are required to eat no pork, to believe that Muhammad is the highest prophet, to believe that the Koran is the ultimate scripture, to make a journey to Mekka, to dress in a certain way, to deny Jesus, the Son of God, etc..

      The law of the Thora would lead a single believer to ask for a Deliverer, because he had to admit that he is overchallanged by the law (the law of the Thora is as strict as the Sermon of the Mount). By Muhammad's rituals the single Moslems are distracted from asking for a Redeemer, who could give them a life, which really could please God, and would not be in conflict with the law.

      Christians have accepted that they are imperfect, and thus have welcomed God's Redeemer Jesus Christ.

      Conclusion: Islam and Chrisitanity are totally different. Muslims will end up in desperation, because there religion is pure imagination. Christians, living a good life by the power of Christ's death and resurrection, which pleases God,will finally enjoy eternal life together with Jesus.

      July 23, 2011 at 11:26 am |
    • SAWolf

      Yes religion is personal,so why do muslims denigrate ALL other faiths?

      July 23, 2011 at 11:27 am |
  5. Rainer Braendlein

    It is really possible that Muslim people behave correctly within Western societies (for a while).

    However, we should be aware that this can (not absolutely) belong to the strategy of the Islamic warfare: For some time they behave very friendly, in order to put us to sleep. After we have fallen asleep, they beat us. In this way the Islamic Empire has occupied on territory after another of Byzantium (predecessor of the Western World).

    Of course we cannot ascribe knowledge of the Islamic strategy to a single Muslim (maybe a lot of them come to us, just in order to earn more money).

    The German Federal President Christian Wulff has claimed recently, Islam would belong to Germany. The German Federal Minister of Interior Friedrich has contradicted him. Friedrich meant, regarding German history, it would not be adequate, to say that Islam belongs to Germany.

    Some decades before, nobody in Germany had daresaid, Islam would belong to Germany, but now Mr. Wulff does it (Mr. Wulff seems to be a typical politican: he has no idea of history).

    It is possible that Wulff has yet some knowledge of history, but seemingly because of any reason Germany can no longer afford to ignore the Islamic community. It seems, there are political restraints for German administration to establish the Islam.

    Conclusion: History has proven that the Islamic community (Umma) is an enemy of the Western World. It is unlikely that this should change within the last seconds of history. We must be on our's guard that they don't fool us.

    It is a matter of fact that they still appreciate the Koran. The Koran is a declaration of war against Jews and Christians (this is an objective statement). Thus, when the Umma behaves friendly for a while, we must imply that it is just part of an evil strategy. First they put us to sleep, than they will beat us. It is very simple.

    Soley the Christian God can preserve us from Islamic occupation. It is high time that we return to our traditional Christian virtues and daily live the Christian life (the power for living a Christian life we get by sacramental baptism).

    If we embrace atheism or Neopaganism, we will perish anyway (by or witout Islamic occupation).

    July 23, 2011 at 9:09 am |
    • Kanoodle

      it is sad that you are so crazy

      July 23, 2011 at 9:56 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      @Kanoodle

      Could you reason your statement?

      July 23, 2011 at 10:09 am |
    • SAWolf

      It is called hudna.

      July 23, 2011 at 11:29 am |
  6. LRoy

    Why are they focusing on Muslims just because they're "supposedly" misunderstood. There are many religions that are equally confusing. I'm not talking about mainstream Christian like Catholic & Baptist but ones like Hinduism, Jehovah Witnesses and Mormonism.

    July 23, 2011 at 7:44 am |
    • OceanLight

      Muslims are being disliked by Americans, so I hear. Muslims in present USA should be grateful Islam is not ridiculed and mocked like Christianity is.

      July 23, 2011 at 7:53 am |
    • Tell it like it is

      @OceanLight – The Muslim religion isn't ridiculed, mocked and hated? You need to read a few more posts pal.

      July 23, 2011 at 10:46 am |
    • SAWolf

      misunderstood? Honor killings, terrorist shootings,wahabi ideology,the name islam means submission, what is misunderstood?

      July 23, 2011 at 11:34 am |
    • Hana

      SAWolf....

      The Wahhabis are only a faction of one school of thought within one group of Islam. They may yell the loudest and even have large numbers. But, the rest of us Muslims who dont follow their way of thinking think they are wrong too. Its like blaming all Baptists for Westborough.

      July 23, 2011 at 6:43 pm |
  7. Reality

    Saving Muslims is quite easy!!! (as is saving Christians/Mormons, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and Pagans)

    The Five Steps To Deprogram 1400 Years of Islamic Myths:

    ( –The Steps take less than two minutes to finish- simply amazing, two minutes to bring peace and rationality to over one billion lost souls- Priceless!!!)

    Are you ready?

    Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.

    The First Five of the 77 Branches:

    "1. Belief in Allah"

    aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to your cleansing neurons.

    "2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

    Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gi-b G-nab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "crea-tionist".

    "3. To believe in the existence of angels."

    A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/de-vils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hitt-ites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ug-ly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as f–airies and "tin–ker be-lls". Modern de-vils are classified as the de-mons of the de-mented.

    "4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

    Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

    Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the un-educated masses in line. Today we call them for-tune tellers.

    Prophecies are also invali-dated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

    "5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone."

    Mohammed spent thirty days "fasting" (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic vi-olence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallu-cinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.
    Walk these Five Steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!

    Unfortunately, there are not many Muslim commentators/readers on this blog so the "two-minute" cure is not getting to those who need it. If you have a Muslim friend, send him a copy and help save the world.

    Analogous steps are available at your request for deprogramming the myths of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Paganism..

    July 23, 2011 at 7:35 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      Brevity is the soul of wit!

      July 23, 2011 at 9:17 am |
    • Reality

      For those who are "reading challenged":

      SAVING 1.5 BILLION LOST MUSLIMS:
      THERE NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE ANY ANGELS I.E. NO GABRIEL, NO ISLAM AND THEREFORE NO MORE KORANIC-DRIVEN ACTS OF HORROR AND TERROR

      SAVING 2 BILLION LOST CHRISTIANS:
      THERE WAS AND NEVER WILL BE ANY BODILY RESURRECTIONS I.E. NO EASTER, NO CHRISTIANITY

      SAVING 15.5 MILLION ORTHODOX FOLLOWERS OF JUDAISM:
      ABRAHAM AND MOSES PROBABLY NEVER EXISTED.

      Added details upon request.

      July 23, 2011 at 12:55 pm |
  8. Inquisitive Guy

    Purely out of curiosity, may I raise a question regarding the statement "one who sports piercings and tattoos and has recently married an Irish Catholic man who is converting to Islam."

    I've heard that Muslim women may only marry Muslim men. Is this true or something spread by the haters?

    July 23, 2011 at 7:33 am |
    • Smile

      Well, it is true but a Muslim woman may marry a non-Muslim who will convert to Islam. Many believe it is because women are given limited freedom in Islam, but it is because in many societies (yet more prevalent in previous societies) if the parents were of different religions, the child would be brought up in the religion of the father.

      Hope that clears it up for you 🙂

      July 23, 2011 at 9:03 am |
    • Big Bob

      That's correct. A muslim woman can only marry another muslim. If they want to marry an infidel, he must convert to Islam.
      Only Muslim men can marry outside their faith because, if children are born, they will be seen as being muslim in the eyes of allah. It's all about promoting islam and thinning out the ranks of the kufar.

      July 23, 2011 at 9:23 am |
  9. We Dont Care

    We Don't Care

    July 23, 2011 at 6:22 am |
  10. Reality

    To reiterate, the Three B Syndrome" (Bred, Born and Brainwashed in your religion) is partially about the founders of the major religions and their favorite "tin-kerbell(s)" aka angel.

    It is called the Great Angelic Con:

    Joe Smith had his Moroni.

    Jehovah Witnesses have their Jesus /Michael the archangel, the first angelic being created by God;

    Mohammed had his Gabriel (this "tin-kerbell" got around).

    Jesus and his family had Michael, Gabriel, and Satan, the latter being a modern day dem-on of the de-mented.

    The Abraham-Moses myths had their Angel of Death and other "no-namers" to do their dirty work or other assorted duties.

    Contemporary biblical and religious scholars have relegated these "pretty wingie thingies" to the myth pile. We should do the same to include deleting all references to them in our religious operating manuals. Doing this will eliminate the prophet/profit/prophecy status of these founders and put them where they belong as simple humans just like the rest of us.

    Some added references to "tink-erbells".

    "Latter-day Saints also believe that Michael the Archangel was Adam (the first man) when he was mortal, and Gabriel lived on the earth as Noah."

    Apparently hallu-cinations did not stop with Joe Smith.

    newadvent.org/cathen/07049c.htm

    "The belief in guardian angels can be traced throughout all antiquity; pagans, like Menander and Plutarch (cf. Euseb., "Praep. Evang.", xii), and Neo-Platonists, like Plotinus, held it. It was also the belief of the Babylonians and As-syrians, as their monuments testify, for a figure of a guardian angel now in the British Museum once decorated an As-syrian palace, and might well serve for a modern representation; while Nabopolassar, father of Nebuchadnezzar the Great, says: "He (Marduk) sent a tutelary deity (cherub) of grace to go at my side; in everything that I did, he made my work to succeed."

    Catholic monks and Dark Age theologians also did their share of hallu-cinating:

    "TUBUAS-A member of the group of angels who were removed from the ranks of officially recognized celestial hierarchy in 745 by a council in Rome under Pope Zachary. He was joined by Uriel, Adimus, Sabaoth, Simiel, and Raguel."
    And tin-ker- bells go way, way back:

    "In Zoroastrianism there are different angel like creatures. For example each person has a guardian angel called Fravashi. They patronize human being and other creatures and also manifest god’s energy. Also, the Amesha Spentas have often been regarded as angels, but they don't convey messages, but are rather emanations of Ahura Mazda ("Wise Lord", God); they appear in an abstract fashion in the religious thought of Zarathustra and then later (during the Achaemenid period of Zoroastrianism) became personalized, associated with an aspect of the divine creation (fire, plants, water...)."

    "The beginnings of the biblical belief in angels must be sought in very early folklore. The gods of the Hitti-tes and Canaanites had their supernatural messengers, and parallels to the Old Testament stories of angels are found in Near Eastern literature. "

    "The 'Magic Papyri' contain many spells to secure just such help and protection of angels. From magic traditions arose the concept of the guardian angel. "

    July 23, 2011 at 6:02 am |
  11. Reality

    The Twenty (or so) Worst Things People Have Done to Each Other:

    http://necrometrics.com/warstatz.htm#u (required reading)

    o The Muslim Conquest of India

    "The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

    Rank <<<Death Toll <Cause <<Centuries<<<Religions/Groups involved*

    1. 63 million Second World War 20C (Christians et al and Communists/atheists vs. Christians et al, Nazi-Pagan and "Shintoists")

    2. 40 million Mao Zedong (mostly famine) 20C (Communism)

    3. 40 million Genghis Khan 13C (Shamanism or Tengriism)

    4. 27 million British India (mostly famine) 19C (Anglican)

    5. 25 million Fall of the Ming Dynasty 17C (Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, Chinese folk religion)

    6. 20 million Taiping Rebellion 19C ( Confucianism, Buddhism and Chinese folk religion vs. a form of Christianity)

    7. 20 million Joseph Stalin 20C (Communism)

    8. 19 million Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C (Islam)

    9. 17 million Timur Lenk 14C-15C

    10. 16 million Atlantic Slave Trade 15C-19C (Christianity)

    11. 15 million First World War 20C (Christians vs. Christians)

    12. 15 million Conquest of the Americas 15C-19C (Christians vs. Pagans)

    13. 13 million Muslim Conquest of India 11C-18C

    14. 10 million An Lushan Revolt 8C

    15. 10 million Xin Dynasty 1C

    16. 9 million Russian Civil War 20C (Christians vs Communists)

    17. 8 million Fall of Rome 5C (Pagans vs. Pagans)

    18. 8 million Congo Free State 19C-20C (Christians)

    19. 7½ million Thirty Years War 17C (Christians vs Christians)

    20. 7½ million Fall of the Yuan Dynasty 14C

    *:" Is religion responsible for more violent deaths than any other cause?

    A: No, of course not – unless you define religion so broadly as to be meaningless. Just take the four deadliest events of the 20th Century – Two World Wars, Red China and the Soviet Union – no religious motivation there, unless you consider every belief system to be a religion."

    Q: So, what you're saying is that religion has never killed anyone.

    A: Arrgh... You all-or-nothing people drive me crazy. There are many doc-umented examples where members of one religion try to exterminate the members of another religion. Causation is always complex, but if the only difference between two warring groups is religion, then that certainly sounds like a religious conflict to me. Is it the number one cause of mass homicide in human history? No. Of the 22 worst episodes of mass killing, maybe four were primarily religious. Is that a lot? Well, it's more than the number of wars fought over soccer, or s-ex (The Trojan and Sabine Wars don't even make the list.), but less than the number fought over land, money, glory or prestige.

    In my Index, I list 41 religious conflicts compared with 27 oppressions under "Communism", 24 under Colonialism, 2 under "Railroads" and 2 under "Scapegoats". Make of that what you will."

    July 23, 2011 at 5:54 am |
  12. WesH

    The only Christians who think Christianity is more peaceful than Islam, are those who havn't read the Bible yet.

    July 23, 2011 at 4:21 am |
  13. ashy57

    To Mr Reality have to read the holy books and judge fairly ,have to read the history you will learn more .human being is same During mid centuryes when church in power, during ww2 victims were in millions moslems werent there we need to talk quietly to reach a common ground

    July 23, 2011 at 3:02 am |
  14. commonman01

    Words are cheap ...... ask some one who is from a muslim country about the religion and its purpose .... there won't be any mention of freedom! Ask a French citizen ( not a french muslim ) about what muslim has done in their country. Look at the results not cheap words .... American muslims will lie like the rest of them have. They (muslims) do not want to be American to support its traditional Christian foundation. They want it to be a muslim country. Will they show this truth on the TV show ???

    July 23, 2011 at 2:37 am |
    • WesH

      You do know this is America, right? Freedom of religion...ring any bells? There's a thing called Islamophobia, I think you might have it.

      July 23, 2011 at 4:00 am |
    • TheIndian

      @commonman01 is correct. We do not fear you WesH. We despise you that is all. And also freedom of religion does not mean planting bombs in public places and supporting killing of innocent people.

      If there is a god he hates ISLAM.

      July 23, 2011 at 5:49 am |
    • Big Bob

      Spot on! The muslims idea of freedom is freedom from disbelief!

      July 23, 2011 at 9:28 am |
  15. Bill

    Ahhh but islam is a religion of peace and brotherhood. They don't even help their own kind in natural disasters and understand ONLY death and maiming. Is there one islamic country anywhere that is sending aid to any country in the world suffering devastating hurricanes, quakes etc? No. They will not even allow aid from numerous countries into the Sudan as they would rather have hundreds of thousands die from starvation, thirst and disease rather than allow non muslims in country.

    July 23, 2011 at 12:14 am |
    • Muneef

      We have no money all consumed in buying your weapons and contributing in your made wars...so now we too need help...because of the wrong policies that been imposed upon the economy of the world we today suffer and will suffer more because your currency still our economies committed to... You failed the world politically and economically...
      By the way we have opened our lands to them who ever reached our boarders alive running from death and we share today with them the sorrow for thinking for once that we had a real allies...but turned that our allies only see with one eye in justice and judgments...you make us regret and curse the day we have taken them as allies and fought the Ottoman empire out of the MidEast side by side with them.

      July 23, 2011 at 12:38 am |
    • Shannon

      That's not true! There's a huge predominantly Muslim Somalian population in Minneapolis (actually the largest outside of Somalia) and the community here is running fundraisers and benefit events to raise money to send in aid to legitimate organizations in Somalia. Please stop being so ignorant. Maybe actually talk to a Muslim. They make good neighbors and they watch out for each other.

      July 23, 2011 at 1:38 am |
    • BG

      @ Shannon

      " Maybe actually talk to a Muslim. They make good neighbors and they watch out for each other."

      Someone forgot to tell Al Shabab. Oops.

      July 23, 2011 at 2:18 am |
    • Hana

      What silliness. Islam requires the giving of charity as part of the duties of a Muslim. Every year during Ramadan, huge kitchens are set up to feed the poor and hungry. There are many who volunteer and give to help man kind.

      I was teaching in Egypt when that huge tsunami hit Thailand several years ago. The school that I was teaching at had maybe a dozen or two foreign students the rest of the 3,000 students were Egyptian. The staff was slightly higher in foreigners but not much. And yet the school did a massive fundraiser to send money to the Thai Embassy for aid.

      Similarly, years before, when I was there as a study abroad student, the university students constantly ran fundraisers to help the Palestinians, to help groups in Africa, to help people all over the world.

      And those were just my experiences in one country. I also regularly give to the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies when I have the extra money. I donate items and time to those in my family, my friends and within my community.

      Just because you dont see it in your face does not mean it is not happening.

      July 23, 2011 at 2:45 am |
    • BG

      " fundraisers to help the Palestinians..."

      So many fundraisers, so little food. I wonder where all the money's going? Oh.. that's right.

      http://www.treasury.gov/ofac/downloads/t11sdn.pdf (takes a few seconds to load Five Hundred and Eleven pages)

      That crate of missiles will feed at least 500 starving Palestinians.

      July 23, 2011 at 5:19 am |
    • Hana

      BG,

      Well, since some of my closest friends were helping to run that particular charity drive, I got to help package food and watched it get loaded on trucks and my friends went with the trucks to cross the border to Palestine... when the border was still open, like 10 years ago.

      So, yeah.... it really was food.

      What a bigot.

      July 23, 2011 at 6:48 pm |
    • BG

      @ Hana

      In 2005 there were 400 Islamic "charity" organizations that were guilty of funneling money to jihadists. 400. The U.S. Department of the Treasury list that I referenced is current. There are now 511 pages of agencies, including banks, financial insti tutions, individuals and Islamic "charitable organizations" consti tuting thousands – THOUSANDS of covert revenue streams funding terrorist organizations. Muslim contributions at work. Of course you know that, don't you...

      Yet Somalia is dying. What a grand job Islamic relief "charities" are doing there. But that's ok – just because you can't eat mortars doesn't mean you can't use them elsewhere.

      I guess the Department of the Treasury is run by bigots. Must be. They just simply hate Muslims. That's it, sure. There's a rational explanation for everything. Here a bigot, there a bigot... Good grief – They're everywhere !

      You know, if that many people don't like you, then maybe it's time for a little introspection...

      July 23, 2011 at 7:09 pm |
    • Hana

      BG,

      I know about the reports, I even looked at your link. I am not calling them bigots. I am calling YOU a bigot. Because you refuse to look beyond the negative cases and accept that any Muslim could be a good person. You only look at the stereotypes. A person that is prejudiced to the point of ignoring any other view point is by definition a bigot.

      As for the charities. You seem to jump your conversations. You quoted me and responded to MY comment about the charity for Palestine and basically accused it of being some terrorist money laundering thing.... and I am pointing out that it was not money that was being collected nor sent... but food. I answered your comments based on my post. I did not realize you expected that to be the introduction to some dissertation on the topic of all charities and whether or not they are connected to terrorists.

      YES, indeed. There are Muslim charities at work all over the world. And many have been determined to be connected with terrorism. That is why I dont give to groups I dont know. When I have money, I donate to major organizations locally, like the American Cancer Society or soup kitchens. I donate clothing and old furniture to Goodwill or to people in my neighborhood or extended groups of people who are in need. And when I donate internationally, it is to well respected organizations such as the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Society or the Dr. Hawa Abdi Foundation.

      And I do donate to help Somalia when I have extra money. The work of Dr. Hawa Abdi is an amazing charity there. How the supplies will get to her, I dont know. And I truly hope that governments and international organizations alike come to the aid of the people there.

      I dont walk around with a sign on my back telling everyone that I have given in charity. I am only telling you so that you will know that in FACT Muslims do offer charity, to each other and others. It is a requirement on all Muslims to do.

      July 24, 2011 at 12:38 am |
    • BG

      @ Hana

      " I am calling YOU a bigot."
      That's fine. A called you a liar earlier so that's a fair exchange.

      " You only look at the stereotypes."
      But there are soooo many... I thought the 'stereotypes' were the norm.

      " ... some terrorist money laundering thing.... and I am pointing out that it was not money that was being collected nor sent... but food."
      All food was once money, but not all money is food.

      " .... the introduction to some dissertation on the topic of all charities and whether or not they are connected to terrorists."
      Not a dissertation, just an observation. A little of the ol' "pulling back of the curtain."

      "YES, indeed. There are Muslim charities at work all over the world. And many have been determined to be connected with terrorism."
      Thanks for the acknowledgment. I guess it's alright for -you- to say it, but not me....

      " I truly hope that governments and international organizations alike come to the aid of the people there"
      It's kind of a test, isn't it? The results should be interesting. I hope Islam passes, don't you?

      " It is a requirement on all Muslims to do."
      Yep. the Russians just raised the price of surplus AK's, so be sure to do your fair share...

      July 24, 2011 at 6:26 am |
  16. Muneef

    The Power Of Words.
    Change your Words,Change your Worlds.
    Results of "Stereotypes", Results of Racizem in "Where are you From".

    Texas death row killer forgiven by shooting victim
    By Alastair Leithead
    BBC News, Texas
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14199078
    ----

    Texas man executed for 9/11 revenge killing of store clerk, despite plea from surviving victim
    By Edecio Martinez Topics Daily Blotter
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20081367-504083.html
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    Guess justice has to be considered from it's first signs "Stereotypes" that leads to such hatred crimes and they are not to wait until a row of innocents pay the price...

    July 23, 2011 at 12:07 am |
  17. Amira

    Okay, now great googling. Maybe you should read the each surat IN CONTEXT. 8:12 says do not turn your back even on another human being who is not Muslim unless it is to flee for your life. In the Quaran you are to help another being in meed regardless of religion,race etc. I could quote many passages from the Bible as well that talk about war on those who do not believe. However, I'd do it in a fair manner amd within the context of the whole verse, instead of googling one liners as you just did.

    July 22, 2011 at 11:47 pm |
  18. OceanLight

    Infidels and apostates in the Muslim land should get Reality TV series. Liberal Americans always miss the core of the matter. Always.

    July 22, 2011 at 11:35 pm |
    • Spiffy

      So doing a show on a group of people that Americans dislike would be more real if we portrayed Muslims from Middle Eastern countries? How so seeing as they are the share the same faith the show is based on?

      July 23, 2011 at 12:03 am |
    • OceanLight

      Spiffy, I didn't know Americans disliked Muslims. I thought Americans hated Christians. You guys always mock Christianity though have no guts to mock Islam. Any case, secular Americans are bad. You have no clean language and your manner is simply horrible. I wonder if any of you grew up with normal parents.

      July 23, 2011 at 12:35 am |
    • OceanLight

      Even if you had decent parents, you guys must have adopted media, entertainment and blank-headed friends as a guide. Real American Tragedy.

      July 23, 2011 at 12:40 am |
    • Muneef

      🙄

      Who are them Americans that dislike Muslims? What Race are they ? To be exact since Americans are not Americans any more than a small world of all races...
      Some long time ago we became to know from black and white Tv in the 60's that America consisted of "Red Indians,White's and Blacks" but now all of Asia is there... Unless you consider your selves as one word to such comment of hatred?

      July 23, 2011 at 12:55 am |
    • OceanLight

      Muneef, those who did not con-tri-bute to building this nation and those who don't follow the founders' Christian ideology are not American but just free-lodging parasites.

      July 23, 2011 at 1:56 am |
    • tallulah13

      Muneef, I am an American. I am an atheist. I don't hate muslims, I don't hate jews, I don't hate christians.I really don't hate anything or anybody. I simply dislike it when others use their faith to hurt others.

      July 23, 2011 at 2:03 am |
    • OceanLight

      @Tall-13, You're partially right. You just HATE being told objective facts about yourself that you are lost in immorality.

      July 23, 2011 at 2:07 am |
    • Hana

      OceanLight you said....

      "Muneef, those who did not con-tri-bute to building this nation and those who don't follow the founders' Christian ideology are not American but just free-lodging parasites."

      Hmmm, well, exactly what is it that you think of me then? I am related to one of the founding fathers. Granted, not a famous one, but one that did sign the Declaration of Independence. And I do follow the founders ideology of separation of Church and State and freedom of religion and freedom of speech, etc...... I am making use of those freedoms to follow the VERY SUBJECTIVE truth and convert to Islam.

      Your faith in the Bible being the word of God and all of the "facts" from it that you claim are not objective. They are not proven facts. They are very subjective. You have faith in it. I dont. That is very much intermingled with personal opinion and feelings.

      July 23, 2011 at 2:55 am |
    • OceanLight

      Hana, I'm from the Chinese royal blood-line and found the Bible alone is unmistakable objective truth in the universe. I got it why the West has been superior when I read the Bible. Your forefathers dreamed of freely exercised Christianity, a Christianly godly society. When they talked of deifferent religions, it was mainly denominations within Christianity, hardly ever paganism or such immoral hedonism. You have rights to claim to be Muslim though you still sound like a self-serving Hindu. Post-modern Westerners practically can't convert to anything else, not really.

      July 23, 2011 at 7:48 am |
    • herbert juarez

      there is no spiffy

      July 23, 2011 at 9:19 am |
    • Muneef

      tallulah13.
      You said;
      "Muneef, I am an American. I am an atheist. I don't hate muslims, I don't hate jews, I don't hate christians.I really don't hate anything or anybody. I simply dislike it when others use their faith to hurt others".

      I say;
      It is good and healthy for the Body&Soul to have no hate compressed in the heart that in the end blows up insane...Again totally agree with you that it is dislikable to see others use their faith to hurt others...as verses speak clearly;

      No Compulsion in Religion
      [2:256] There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in GOD has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.

      [2:257] GOD is Lord of those who believe; He leads them out of darkness into the light. As for those who disbelieve, their lords are their idols; they lead them out of the light into darkness – these will be the dwellers of Hell; they abide in it forever.

      July 23, 2011 at 5:49 pm |
    • Muneef

      OceanLight.

      Today you suggest to sieve Americans bases the Religion but tomorrow some one else will come and sieve Americans bases the Race color...! It will be such as you the reason behind endless sieving to your Multi Cultured Nation....!!!

      July 23, 2011 at 6:01 pm |
    • Hana

      A self serving Hindu????? Where on earth have you come up with that one? I dont even know the names of Hindu gods beyond Cali. And I do remember something about an elephant one... and a monkey maybe???

      Sorry honey... I am Muslim.

      July 23, 2011 at 6:54 pm |
  19. Amira

    Find a surat or hadith that speaks of Muslim dominmation. (Actually find it, don't google a misled interpretation). There is no more talk of Muslim domination in the Quaran than there is of Christian or Jewish in the Bible or Torah. The message is to spread the word of the religion. Mohammed was a pedophile? Well, go back and research how young Christians were married that long ago. When the average lifespan was 30, I'm sure you'll be surprised to realize that back then it was not uncommon across all religions.

    July 22, 2011 at 11:34 pm |
    • Reality

      o "Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)

      "Believers, when you encounter the infidels on the march, do not turn your backs to them in flight. If anyone on that day turns his back to them, except it be for tactical reasons...he shall incur the wrath of God and Hell shall be his home..." (Surah 8:12-)

      "Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)

      "...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them..." (Surah 9:12-)

      "Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:27-)

      "It is He who has sent forth His apostle with guidance and the true Faith [Islam] to make it triumphant over all religions, however much the idolaters [non-Muslims] may dislike it." (Surah 9:31-)

      "If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men." (Surah 9:37-)

      "Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home." (Surah 9:73)

      "Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)

      July 22, 2011 at 11:38 pm |
    • Hana

      Reality, once again, you have to do better than this. You are just copy and pasting someone elses work and have not bothered to check it. Most of these are incorrect quotes. Here are the proper ones for the Sura and Verse that is listed:

      "Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51) Wow, ONE completely right. A second is close.

      "When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger. "(Surah 8:12)

      "Lo! those who disbelieve spend their wealth in order that they may debar (men) from the way of Allah. They will spend it, then it will become an anguish for them, then they will be conquered. And those who disbelieve will be gathered unto hell, "(Surah 8:36)

      "And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief – Lo! they have no binding oaths – in order that they may desist." (Surah 9:12)

      "Then afterward Allah will relent toward whom He will; for Allah is Forgiving, Merciful." (Surah 9:27)

      "They have taken as lords beside Allah their rabbis and their monks and the Messiah son of Mary, when they were bidden to worship only One God. There is no god save Him. Be He glorified from all that they ascribe as partner (unto Him)! "(Surah 9:31)

      "Postponement (of a sacred month) is only an excess of disbelief whereby those who disbelieve are misled; they allow it one year and forbid it (another) year, that they may make up the number of the months which Allah hath hallowed, so that they allow that which Allah hath forbidden. The evil of their deeds is made fair-seeming unto them. Allah guideth not the disbelieving folk. " (Surah 9:37)

      "Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end." (Surah 9:73) This one is close… difference in translation, maybe.

      "Nor spend they any spending, small or great, nor do they cross a valley, but it is recorded for them, that Allah may repay them the best of what they used to do. "(Surah 9:121)

      July 23, 2011 at 3:02 am |
  20. Reality

    And the koranic/mosque -driven acts of terror and horror continue:

    The Muslim Conquest of India – 11th to 18th century

    ■"The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

    and the 19 million killed in the Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C by Muslims.

    and more recently

    1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

    1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

    2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

    3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US troops killed in action, 3,483 and 925 in non combat roles. 99,901 – 109,143 Iraqi civilians killed as of 3/3/2011/, mostly due to suicide bombers, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

    4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

    5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

    6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

    7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

    8. UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

    9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.

    10) – Afghanistan: US troops 1,141 killed in action, 242 killed in non-combat situations as of 03/03/2011. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror

    11) The killing of 13 citizen soldiers at Ft. Hood by a follower of the koran.

    12) 38 Russian citizens killed on March 29, 2010 by Muslim women suicide bombers.

    13) The May 28, 2010 attack on a Islamic religious minority in Pakistan, which have left 98 dead,

    14) Lockerbie is known internationally as the site where, on 21 December 1988, the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103 crashed as a result of a terrorist bomb. In the United Kingdom the event is referred to as the Lockerbie disaster, the Lockerbie bombing, or simply Lockerbie. Eleven townspeople were killed in Sherwood Crescent, where the plane's wings and fuel tanks plummeted in a fiery explosion, destroying several houses and leaving a huge crater, with debris causing damage to a number of buildings nearby. The 270 fatalities (259 on the plane, 11 in Lockerbie) were citizens of 21 nations.

    15 The daily suicide and/or roadside and/or mosque bombings in the terror world of Islam.

    16) Bombs sent from Yemen by followers of the koran which fortunately were discovered before the bombs were detonated.

    17) The killing of 58 Christians in a Catholic church in one of the latest acts of horror and terror in Iraq.

    18) Moscow airport suicide bombing: 35 dead, 130 injured. January 25, 2011.

    19) A Pakistani minister, who had said he was getting death threats because of his stance against the country's controversial blasphemy law, was shot and killed Wednesday, 3/2/2011

    20) two American troops killed in Germany by a recently radicalized Muslim, 3/3/2011

    21) the kidnapping and apparent killing of a follower of Zoraster in the dark world of Islamic Pakistan.

    22) Shariatpur, Bangladesh (CNN 3/30/2011) - Hena Akhter's last words to her mother proclaimed her innocence. But it was too late to save the 14-year-old girl. Her fellow villagers in Bangladesh's Shariatpur district had already passed harsh judgment on her. Guilty, they said, of having an affair with a married man. The imam from the local mosque ordered the fatwa, or religious ruling, and the punishment: 101 lashes delivered swiftly, deliberately in public. Hena dropped after 70 and died a week later.

    July 22, 2011 at 11:31 pm |
    • walker2913

      Summary: Muslims suck.

      July 23, 2011 at 12:16 am |
    • WesH

      Impressive list, which Christian orginization website you get all that from? Too bad it doesn't hold a candle to what you God followers have done. Ever heard of the Crusades? How about the Holocaust? Our little Catholic buddy, Hitler, took the "God-Chosen Race" a little to seriously huh? Name one religion that doesn't have blood on its hands. I'm waiting.

      July 23, 2011 at 4:16 am |
    • Der Geist von Hitler

      @ WesH

      Dummes Kind. Ich war kein religiöser Mensch. Ich benutzte die katholische Kirche, weil ich die Art, wie sie kontrolliert ihre Gemeindemitglieder bewundert.

      July 23, 2011 at 6:11 am |
    • OceanLight

      WesH, Hitler was a self-worshipping Darwinian. Don't insult Germans. Everything Medieval Europe or whoever did in whatever religion's name was a cute little thing comparing to the massive murder and atrocities atheists did all over the world last century alone.

      July 23, 2011 at 7:59 am |
    • Reality

      The Twenty (or so) Worst Things People Have Done to Each Other:----------------

      http://necrometrics.com/warstatz.htm#u (required reading)

      o The Muslim Conquest of India

      "The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

      Rank <<<Death Toll <Cause <<Centuries<<<Religions/Groups involved*

      1. 63 million Second World War 20C (Christians et al and Communists/atheists vs. Christians et al, Nazi-Pagan and "Shintoists")

      2. 40 million Mao Zedong (mostly famine) 20C (Communism)

      3. 40 million Genghis Khan 13C (Shamanism or Tengriism)

      4. 27 million British India (mostly famine) 19C (Anglican)

      5. 25 million Fall of the Ming Dynasty 17C (Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, Chinese folk religion)

      6. 20 million Taiping Rebellion 19C ( Confucianism, Buddhism and Chinese folk religion vs. a form of Christianity)

      7. 20 million Joseph Stalin 20C (Communism)

      8. 19 million Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C (Islam)

      9. 17 million Timur Lenk 14C-15C

      10. 16 million Atlantic Slave Trade 15C-19C (Christianity)

      11. 15 million First World War 20C (Christians vs. Christians)

      12. 15 million Conquest of the Americas 15C-19C (Christians vs. Pagans)

      13. 13 million Muslim Conquest of India 11C-18C

      14. 10 million An Lushan Revolt 8C

      15. 10 million Xin Dynasty 1C

      16. 9 million Russian Civil War 20C (Christians vs Communists)

      17. 8 million Fall of Rome 5C (Pagans vs. Pagans)

      18. 8 million Congo Free State 19C-20C (Christians)

      19. 7½ million Thirty Years War 17C (Christians vs Christians)

      20. 7½ million Fall of the Yuan Dynasty 14C

      *:" Is religion responsible for more violent deaths than any other cause?

      A: No, of course not – unless you define religion so broadly as to be meaningless. Just take the four deadliest events of the 20th Century – Two World Wars, Red China and the Soviet Union – no religious motivation there, unless you consider every belief system to be a religion."

      Q: So, what you're saying is that religion has never killed anyone.

      A: Arrgh... You all-or-nothing people drive me crazy. There are many doc-umented examples where members of one religion try to exterminate the members of another religion. Causation is always complex, but if the only difference between two warring groups is religion, then that certainly sounds like a religious conflict to me. Is it the number one cause of mass homicide in human history? No. Of the 22 worst episodes of mass killing, maybe four were primarily religious. Is that a lot? Well, it's more than the number of wars fought over soccer, or s-ex (The Trojan and Sabine Wars don't even make the list.), but less than the number fought over land, money, glory or prestige.

      In my Index, I list 41 religious conflicts compared with 27 oppressions under "Communism", 24 under Colonialism, 2 under "Railroads" and 2 under "Scapegoats". Make of that what you will."

      July 23, 2011 at 4:33 pm |
    • J.W

      So do you do anything besides copy and paste?

      July 23, 2011 at 7:08 pm |
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