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Obama pressed on faith-based hiring
July 23rd, 2011
11:41 AM ET

Obama pressed on faith-based hiring

By Alexander Mooney, CNN

(CNN)–President Obama signaled Friday he has no intention of rescinding a controversial executive order that permits some faith-based organizations that receive federal funding to discriminate against non-believers in their hiring practices.

The president’s comments on the matter came during a town hall event in Maryland, when a questioner who identified herself as an atheist pressed Obama on statements he made as a candidate in 2008 suggesting he was against permitting discriminatory hiring among faith-based organizations backed by taxpayer dollars.

“It’s very straightforward that people shouldn’t be discriminated against for race, gender, sexual orientation, and – or religious affiliation,” Obama said Monday. “What has happened is, is that there has been a carve-out, dating back to President Clinton’s presidency, for religious organizations in their hiring for particular purposes.”

The executive order in question, issued by President Clinton and affirmed by President Bush in 2002, states that while religious organizations that receive federal funds cannot discriminate against beneficiaries of their programs, they “may retain religious terms in its organization's name, select its board members on a religious basis, and include religious references in its organization's mission statements and other chartering or governing documents.”

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- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Atheism • Barack Obama • Belief • Politics

soundoff (105 Responses)
  1. RobynH

    Preferrential treatment and Quotas for Christian.
    Discrimination and violence against non-Christians.
    So are you sure Jesus would approve of this evil?

    July 24, 2011 at 11:07 pm |
  2. whybs

    In this case, Obama is a vote s l u t! It's OK because he is most competent in turning the U.S. around.

    Every sheep's vote will help counter the fakking birthers (24% of all voters). It will be a close race but Obama's chance for a second term is good.

    July 24, 2011 at 9:42 pm |
  3. whybs

    As a Buddhist turned atheist, I've never met an atheist (or agnostic) that proselytizes but Christians, Mormon, Moonies, Muslims, etc. do.

    To equate atheism with religion and force "in god we trust" and "one nation under god" down non-believers' throat, don't you see something is wrong here, fakking idiot sheep? 🙂

    July 24, 2011 at 9:34 pm |
    • Bill C.

      Really? Most converts to atheism seem to go through a couple years of trying to talk other people into what they just figured out. I know I did, before it sunk in that I wasn't convincing anyone of anything.

      July 24, 2011 at 11:13 pm |
  4. John Luke

    The problem with this country is the separation of church and state.
    I have noticed that we have gone about it the wrong way in this country. Religion is used by political parties both democrat and republican to gain votes. The republicans use the "christian right" to gain mass amounts of voters in the South and the Midwest. The democrats have, usually, the African-American Church in their bed on issues like gay marriage and abortion. In other words the state has pervaded its authority to some degree into the church which is an infringement on our rights. This is exactly what our founding fathers wanted to avoid; a populace controlled by a religion that is controlled by the state, which is what was going on in Europe at the time. ex: England and French wars.
    What SHOULD be happening is that the church AKA the PEOPLE of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA should have the right to think and worship on their own without any political agenda. And with this right returned the american people will be a reliable counterbalance to the govt as it was meant to be.
    Yeshua Bless You SHALOM!!!!

    July 24, 2011 at 8:32 pm |
    • Frogist

      @John Luke: I don't think African American churches support gay marriage or abortion rights. Feel free to correct me. But I think in your haste to try to link what the Repubs are doing and have done sine the 80s with a similar Democrat approach, you've made a false equivalent.

      July 25, 2011 at 9:14 am |
    • News Flash

      Are you fricking kidding me ?
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      THEY don't "PERVADE anything".

      #2 "what our founding fathers wanted to avoid; a populace controlled by a religion that is controlled by the state, which is what was going on in Europe at the time. ex: England and French wars."
      ----------------------------------------
      So genius, you're think that the "French wars", (whatever they were), were being waged by religion through the state ? hahahaha. The Founding Fathers wanted to avoid a STATE controlled by religion. Think you got that one backwards.

      July 25, 2011 at 10:01 am |
  5. fernace

    Ps. I would never try to sue an Episcopal church that didn't hire me! I would feel like, as an interdenominational, that is the church I should go to for work! Only logical, & realistic!!

    July 24, 2011 at 5:21 pm |
  6. fernace

    I'm not sure what shining hill your city is on, but you are about as delusional as comes out of the fundamental, evangelical church! The funny thing is I used to be an evangelical too, my family travelled around to sing & spread the gospel! But1 reason we left was the terrible hypocracy ( 1 can even call it hatered)! We loved every 1 as the gospel taught us to, but church members we're not into our "hippie love for every1 theory", as they saw it!I tried to be agnostic/ atheistic, but God, Allah, Jah, Jehova, Yaweh, Elohim was already in my heart! Being agnostic/ atheistic is not a religion. It is simply a divorce from notions that seem silly or over the top! This thread was about hiring in a church setting! I think churches must hire people of their faith, nothing else makes sense! Why would a pentecostal want to work in a Jewish temple? Makes no sense! Must be realistic about these scenarios & since churches are tax exempt, why should they have to go along with regular hiring procedures!?

    July 24, 2011 at 5:11 pm |
    • Frogist

      @fernace: Well it wouldn't be the church hiring someone to do their religious rituals or teach their religion. It would be a charity or organization that the church has declared separate from their religious duties in order to gain gov't funding. So it's not like the Catholic Church being asked to hire rabbis to teach about Jesus. It would be a charity supported by the Catholic church but not part of their religious activity, hiring secular individuals to do secular duties that are supposed to have nothing to do specifically with their religion. And since it has nothing to do with their religion in particular, and that arm is being funded by the gov't, it should uphold anti-disctimination laws. Because in the same logic, why are you taking money from a secular ent!ity like the gov't to do secular things, but discriminating against those who are giving you the cash?

      July 25, 2011 at 9:27 am |
  7. City On a Shining Hill

    Yes, it takes a lot of faith to not believe there is a God. But, atheism is a relgion, or a conformance to a way of life that one thinks is best.

    Sadly, tax dollars from Chrstians who think otherwise are now supporting atheist groups.

    Only in America!

    July 24, 2011 at 1:38 pm |
    • rob

      Well Said!

      July 24, 2011 at 2:25 pm |
    • AGuest9

      It cuts both ways. As an atheist, why should I be forced to support "faith-based", i.e., FAIRY-TALE, organizations through taxation in a republic that supposedly stands for the separation of church and state?

      July 24, 2011 at 5:47 pm |
    • whybs

      Only religious mental retards like you could equate atheism to religion! But let's see your definition of religion and how it applies to atheism and not something like beating off! 🙂

      Let's hear it, POS!

      July 24, 2011 at 9:24 pm |
  8. What?

    Why would an intelligent Atheist want to work for an organization that spreads the poison of religion anyway?

    July 24, 2011 at 8:39 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Employers hire folks who focus on the betterment of the company, not just what's in it for "them" aka the person applying for the position. Christians know this, it's called being HUMBLE.

      July 24, 2011 at 5:13 pm |
    • AGuest9

      Few people who call themselves "Christians" are humble. Most are anything but, as they try to ram their belief system down other's throats.

      July 24, 2011 at 5:49 pm |
  9. ***dude***

    Ya won't find U2 hiring a country guitarist.

    July 24, 2011 at 7:26 am |
    • Frogist

      @dude: Actually you might. They work in a number of different genres with different people: BB King, Frank Sinatra, street musicians in Louisiana, African artists, etc etc.
      Also as far as your metaphor goes, U2 isn't taking gov't money and then not upholding discrimination laws in their hiring process.

      July 25, 2011 at 9:48 am |
  10. Beatrice

    Great. Mr. Obama has some bones after all. Non-believing employees only ruin the faith-based organizations. Freedom of religion must be kept for faith-based organizations since faith is the reason for all the good works they do.

    July 24, 2011 at 5:10 am |
    • David

      Yes how noble. The 'good works' done simply out of fear of God's wrath. One would hope that people were good for good's sake. Like atheists are.

      July 24, 2011 at 9:25 am |
    • GetRealPeople

      Freedom of religion to be free from taxes and free to discriminate against non-believing taxpaying citizens who only mess up religious organizations with all that realty-based thinking, common sense and REAL morality.
      Give me a break.

      July 24, 2011 at 12:16 pm |
    • Matt

      David – Hitler was borderline an atheist. He may have been raised catholic but he claimed Norman gods saved his life in WWII and he dabled in the occult. Stalin was an atheist. Most roman caesar's were atheists... they knew they weren't gods. I do know a lot of kind atheists including one of my best friends. My point is you said religious people do all this bad stuff. Well if religious people picked out the worst of atheists we can overgeneralize too. Atheism has almost become a religion in its own right anyway.

      July 24, 2011 at 9:25 pm |
  11. fernace

    Obama was clueless when he took office, just like all pesidents the world over. They don't realize they have to do what the Powerful 12 deem to be right! I'm sure Obama is still trying to rule his concience, but it truly is an impossible job! He must do what the 12 say! The same has happened to all our presidents; Carter refused & was out, Bush Jr.loved the idea & ran with it, hence our problems now! Good Luck to Obama,may he persevere against those who think they own the planet!!

    July 24, 2011 at 1:01 am |
    • blessedgeek

      ????

      The only powerful voice is public opinion and lobbyists' clients, in default to an American public too lazy to vote.

      July 24, 2011 at 8:15 am |
  12. WesH

    Makes sense to me. If my tax dollars are going to an organization, I don't want that organization discriminating against any religion. I wonder how the right is going to argue this one.

    July 23, 2011 at 11:28 pm |
  13. wait a minuet

    These are faith based groups, which use these funds to help the needey. Much of the time the workers are volunteers, but sometimes they need to hire people to help and these employees are not paid with government funds, but funds out of their organzational budgets. They can hire who the wish since it is a 'non profit' organization. So what's the argument? A.Mooney is a rabble rouser!

    July 23, 2011 at 10:17 pm |
    • Spiffy

      They are allowed to discriminate that is the problem.

      July 23, 2011 at 11:35 pm |
  14. An Atheist’s Perspective

    I'm all for getting rid of discrimination in hiring or anywhere else. After reading this however, I couldn't help but wonder. Why would a self-declared atheist want to work for an overtly religious organization? Even if they did get hired I can imagine that would be a rather hostile working environment.

    July 23, 2011 at 4:16 pm |
    • J.W

      Plus if you worked for an organization whose goals were contrary to your beliefs, you probably would not work hard to make sure that organization succeeded.

      July 23, 2011 at 7:22 pm |
    • John Richardson

      If you oppose hunger, you might want to work for a soup kitchen. If you are an atheist you can be legally disallowed from working for a "faith based" soup kitchen, even though that soup kitchen is not spending "faith based" dollars, but tax dollars. THAT is what is so creepy about this.

      July 23, 2011 at 10:37 pm |
  15. David Johnson

    Churches are a business. They sell pie in the sky. They should be taxed.

    Cheers!

    July 23, 2011 at 2:47 pm |
    • Lumpy Rutherford

      Not true. Pie and the sky actually exist.

      July 23, 2011 at 2:55 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Lumpy Rutherford

      You said: "Not true. Pie and the sky actually exist."

      Point taken!

      Cheers!

      July 23, 2011 at 2:59 pm |
    • AGuest9

      Tax them, especially the Catholic church. All those abuse cases cost money we tax-payers are forced to bear for THEIR employees/former employees!

      July 24, 2011 at 5:52 pm |
  16. David Johnson

    Obama has come to be a great disappointment to me. I thought so much of him in 2008. He has forgotten his base. He has forgotten he is a Democrat.

    I can't bring myself to vote for him again in 2012 and I would never vote for a Republican. Maybe I will just stay home and drink beer.

    Cheers!

    Cheers!

    July 23, 2011 at 2:43 pm |
    • Yep, pretty bleak

      Totally agree. American troops still in Iraq and Afghanistan, Guantanamo still open for business, not consequences for torture or other war crimes, big business still getting away with whatever they want, no foreign policy agenda, no economic vision beyond heavy spending

      Obama is a rudderless ship. W had a rudder but ran us at full speed into the iceberg. We elect nothing but losers in this country. Maybe we deserve Palin or Bachmann to teach us not to do that any more. Or maybe the American republic will go the way of the Roman republic.

      July 23, 2011 at 2:51 pm |
    • Reality

      Our War on Terror and Aggression:

      An update (or how we are spending or how we have spent the USA taxpayers’ money to eliminate global terror and aggression)

      The terror and aggression via a Partial and Recent Body Count

      recently-

      1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

      1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

      2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

      3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US troops killed in action, 3,483 and 925 in non combat roles. 99,901 – 109,143 Iraqi civilians killed as of 3/3/2011/, mostly due to suicide bombers, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

      4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

      5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

      6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

      7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

      8. UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

      9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.

      10) – Afghanistan: US troops 1,141 killed in action, 242 killed in non-combat situations as of 03/03/2011. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror

      11) The killing of 13 citizen soldiers at Ft. Hood by a follower of the koran.

      12) 38 Russian citizens killed on March 29, 2010 by Muslim women suicide bombers.

      13) The May 28, 2010 attack on a Islamic religious minority in Pakistan, which have left 98 dead,

      14) Lockerbie is known internationally as the site where, on 21 December 1988, the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103 crashed as a result of a terrorist bomb. In the United Kingdom the event is referred to as the Lockerbie disaster, the Lockerbie bombing, or simply Lockerbie. Eleven townspeople were killed in Sherwood Crescent, where the plane's wings and fuel tanks plummeted in a fiery explosion, destroying several houses and leaving a huge crater, with debris causing damage to a number of buildings nearby. The 270 fatalities (259 on the plane, 11 in Lockerbie) were citizens of 21 nations.

      15 The daily suicide and/or roadside and/or mosque bombings in the terror world of Islam.

      16) Bombs sent from Yemen by followers of the koran which fortunately were discovered before the bombs were detonated.

      17) The killing of 58 Christians in a Catholic church in one of the latest acts of horror and terror in Iraq.

      18) Moscow airport suicide bombing: 35 dead, 130 injured. January 25, 2011.

      19) A Pakistani minister, who had said he was getting death threats because of his stance against the country's controversial blasphemy law, was shot and killed Wednesday, 3/2/2011

      20) two American troops killed in Germany by a recently radicalized Muslim, 3/3/2011

      21) the kidnapping and apparent killing of a follower of Zoraster in the dark world of Islamic Pakistan.

      22) Shariatpur, Bangladesh (CNN 3/30/2011) - Hena Akhter's last words to her mother proclaimed her innocence. But it was too late to save the 14-year-old girl. Her fellow villagers in Bangladesh's Shariatpur district had already passed harsh judgment on her. Guilty, they said, of having an affair with a married man. The imam from the local mosque ordered the fatwa, or religious ruling, and the punishment: 101 lashes delivered swiftly, deliberately in public. Hena dropped after 70 and died a week later.

      Other elements of our War on Terror and Aggression:

      -Operation Iraqi Freedom- The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US Troops killed in action, 3,481 and 924 died in non-combat, 99,901 – 109,143 Iraqi civilians killed as of 3/3/2011/, mostly due to suicide bombers, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

      – Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan: US troops 1,141 killed in action, 242 killed in non-combat situations as of 03/03/2011. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror,

      – Sa-dd-am, his sons and major he-nchmen have been deleted. Sa-dd-am's bravado about WMD was one of his major mistakes. Kuwait was saved.

      – Iran is being been contained. (beside containing the Sunni-Shiite civil war in Baghdad, that is the main reason we are in Iraq. And yes, essential oil continues to flow from the region.)

      – North Korea is still u-ncivil but is contained.

      – Northern Ireland is finally at peace.

      – The Jews and Palestinians are being separated by walls. Hopefully the walls will follow the 1948 UN accords. Unfortunately the Annapolis Peace Conference was not successful. And unfortunately the recent events in Gaza has put this situation back to “squ-are one”. And this significant stupidity is driven by the mythical foundations of both religions!!!

      – – Fa-na–tical Islam has basically been contained to the Middle East but a wall between India and Pakistan would be a plus for world peace. Ditto for a wall between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

      – Timothy McVeigh was exe-cuted. Terry Nichols will follow soon.

      – Eric Ru-dolph is spending three life terms in pri-son with no par-ole.

      – Jim Jones, David Koresh, Kaczynski, the "nuns" from Rwanda, and the KKK were all dealt with and either eliminated themselves or are being punished.

      – Islamic Sudan, Dar-fur and So-malia are still terror hot spots.

      – The terror and tor-ture of Muslims in Bosnia, Kosovo and Kuwait were ended by the proper application of the military forces of the USA and her freedom-loving friends. Ra-dovan Karadzic was finally captured on 7/23/08 and is charged with genocide, crimes against humanity and violations of the law of war – charges related to the 1992-1995 civil war that followed Bosnia-Herzegovina's secession from Yugoslavia.

      The capture of Ratko Mladić: (Serbian Cyrillic: Ратко Младић, pronounced [râtkɔ mlǎːditɕ], born 12 March 1943[1][2]) is an accused war criminal and a former Bosnian Serb military leader. On May 31, 2011, Mladić was extradited to The Hague, where he was processed at the detention center that holds suspects for the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY).[3] His trial began on 3 June 2011.

      – the bloody terror brought about by the Ja-panese, Na-zis and Co-mmunists was with great difficulty eliminated by the good guys.

      – Bin Laden was executed for crimes against humanity on May 1, 2011

      July 23, 2011 at 4:19 pm |
    • jefe

      gosh David, I sorta figured you as a Michele Bachmann supporter...

      July 23, 2011 at 4:35 pm |
    • Ron

      I guess it comes down to how miserable do you want to be?
      miserable or really miserable. I'm like you and would prefer a different person but for me, Republican or a member of tea-vangelists will never make it. I guess they could make it, only worse!

      July 23, 2011 at 5:32 pm |
    • dwerbil

      Vote Moe for president.

      July 24, 2011 at 12:04 am |
    • Mannwlf

      Obama is a disappointment but not because he forgot his base. He never was a democrat to begin with, not really; he will not admit it but he is a socialist. Voting to create more welfare especially in health care, which is a huge problem. Besides this he will do nothing but ruin the country by repealing "don't ask, don't tell" and by supporting "gay rights". All he is doing is nothing good for the well being of the U.S. Especially in terms of debt which he has doubled in less than 3 years.

      July 24, 2011 at 12:49 am |
  17. AvdBerg

    For a better understanding of the spirit Barack Obama serves we invite you to read the article Barack Obama ~ President of the United States of America on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca
    All of the other pages and articles on our website explain how this whole world has been deceived as confirmed in Revelation 12:9. The bible is true and is the discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart (Hebrews 4:12).

    July 23, 2011 at 1:48 pm |
    • "AvdBerg" is a Swedish Word that Means "Spam"

      Spam spam spam spam

      ɯɐds ɯɐds ɯɐds

      July 23, 2011 at 2:44 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @AvdBerg

      You do tend to prattle on. Do you have any evidence your god is real?

      Color me curious!

      July 23, 2011 at 2:44 pm |
    • AvdBerg

      @David Johnson

      Anything we have ever spoken or written in twenty six years of service has proven to be the truth that this world cannot receive (John 14:17) and the words we have spoken or written have also come to pass. Our Father is truth and there is no lie in Him. Christ did not pray for this world (John 17:9) and the prayers of the so-called Christians are all in vain as they teach for doctrines the commandments of men (Matthew 15:9). They also do not involve themselves in politics (1 John 5:4).

      July 23, 2011 at 3:14 pm |
    • AvdBerg

      @David Johnson

      We forgot to inform you who your father is. Please read John 8:43-45.

      July 23, 2011 at 4:18 pm |
    • Bucky Ball

      "ɯɐds" suɐəɯ ʇɐɥʇ pɹoʍ ɥsıpəʍs ɐ sı "ƃɹəqpʌɐ"
      -- Finally some company in the alternate universe.

      July 23, 2011 at 4:23 pm |
    • Buckaroo Banzai

      ¡¡¡ɹǝƃuol˙ ˙ ˙ much ˙ ˙ ˙ uo˙ ˙ ˙ hold ˙ ˙ ˙ ʇ,uɐɔ ˙ ˙ ˙ today ʎlɹıʍs really sı ʎʇıʌɐɹƃ

      July 23, 2011 at 4:32 pm |
    • Ron

      1. The bible is not accepted as truth by everyone.
      2. You simply took two verses from a book, put them together and voila, an answer...perhaps but only for people who believe as you do.
      It still doesn't make it 'true' to everyone.

      July 23, 2011 at 5:39 pm |
  18. Reality

    What BO should have said:

    Saving Christians from the Infamous Resurrection Con Game:

    From that famous passage: In 1 Corinthians 15 St. Paul reasoned, "If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."

    Even now Catholic/Christian professors of theology are questioning the bodily resurrection of the simple, preacher man aka Jesus.

    To wit;

    From a major Catholic university's theology grad school professor's white-board notes:

    "Heaven is a Spirit state or spiritual reality of union with God in love, without earthly – earth bound distractions.
    Jesus and Mary's bodies are therefore not in Heaven.

    Most believe that it to mean that the personal spiritual self that survives death is in continuity with the self we were while living on earth as an embodied person.

    Again, the physical Resurrection (meaning a resuscitated corpse returning to life), Ascension (of Jesus' crucified corpse), and Assumption (Mary's corpse) into heaven did not take place.

    The Ascension symbolizes the end of Jesus' earthly ministry and the beginning of the Church.

    Only Luke's Gospel records it. The Assumption ties Jesus' mission to Pentecost and missionary activity of Jesus' followers The Assumption has multiple layers of symbolism, some are related to Mary's special role as "Christ bearer" (theotokos). It does not seem fitting that Mary, the body of Jesus' Virgin-Mother (another biblically based symbol found in Luke 1) would be derived by worms upon her death. Mary's assumption also shows God's positive regard, not only for Christ's male body, but also for female bodies." "

    "In three controversial Wednesday Audiences, Pope John Paul II pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places, as commonly perceived and represented in human language. This language of place is, according to the Pope, inadequate to describe the realities involved, since it is tied to the temporal order in which this world and we exist. In this he is applying the philosophical categories used by the Church in her theology and saying what St. Thomas Aquinas said long before him."
    http://eternal-word.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2HEAVN.HTM

    The Vatican quickly embellished this story with a lot CYAP.

    Of course, we all know that angels are really mythical "pretty wingie talking thingies".

    With respect to rising from the dead, we also have this account:

    o An added note: As per R.B. Stewart in his introduction to the recent book, The Resurrection of Jesus, Crossan and Wright in Dialogue,

    o p.4

    o "Reimarus (1774-1778) posits that Jesus became sidetracked by embracing a political position, sought to force God's hand and that he died alone deserted by his disciples. What began as a call for repentance ended up as a misguided attempt to usher in the earthly political kingdom of God. After Jesus' failure and death, his disciples stole his body and declared his resurrection in order to maintain their financial security and ensure themselves some standing."
    o
    p.168. by Ted Peters:

    Even so, asking historical questions is our responsibility. Did Jesus really rise from the tomb? Is it necessary to have been raised from the tomb and to appear to his disciples in order to explain the rise of early church and the transcription of the bible? Crossan answers no, Wright answers, yes. "

    o So where are the bones"? As per Professor Crossan's analyses in his many books, the body of Jesus would have ended up in the mass graves of the crucified, eaten by wild dogs, with lime in a shallow grave, or under a pile of stones.

    July 23, 2011 at 12:52 pm |
  19. Alexandra

    US governments should pay taxes to the faith-based organizations for all the good and sacrificial things they do, better than US military.

    July 23, 2011 at 12:00 pm |
    • The Real Alexandra

      Stop using my name, you crazy psycho-bitch!

      July 23, 2011 at 12:06 pm |
    • Alexandra

      I'm going to change, but you were NOT Alexandra before. You're a stalker.

      July 23, 2011 at 12:08 pm |
    • Alexandra

      Stalker? You are crazy. Stop using my name.

      July 23, 2011 at 2:30 pm |
    • jefe

      psst... split the pill in half, down 'em both with the same gulp of water and you'll each get some benefit...

      July 23, 2011 at 4:39 pm |
    • myke

      Totally impossible that there might be (gasp) two Alexandria's in the entire world. Settle down ladies, have a glass of wine and feel free to make out with each other.

      July 24, 2011 at 5:11 pm |
  20. Rootin' Tootin' Christian

    "Faith-Based – Adjective, means that someone wants money from the government but does not want to pay taxes to the government.

    July 23, 2011 at 11:57 am |
    • Ron

      I also see it as they want Government money but DO NOT want to be held accountable by the laws for receiving such money. They want to their "faith based" laws to apply, not Federal laws.

      July 23, 2011 at 12:47 pm |
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