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Poll: 52 percent approve of God’s job performance
July 27th, 2011
11:58 AM ET

Poll: 52 percent approve of God’s job performance

By John Blake, CNN

(CNN) - If you think voters are in cranky mood over politics, a new poll suggests that some of the dissatisfaction may run deeper.

God’s job performance has trouble measuring up to many Americans' expectations, according to a poll by Public Policy Polling, a Democratic firm based in North Carolina.

Only 52 percent of Americans approve of God’s job performance, the survey found, though just 9 percent disapprove.

The polling question that prompted this curious response was, "If God exists, do you approve or disapprove of its performance?"

"When asked to evaluate God on some of the issues it is responsible for, voters give God its best rating on creating the universe, 71-5," the polling report said. "They also approve of its handling of the animal kingdom 56-11, and even its handling of natural disasters 50-13."

Dino Grandoni cited the poll in a blog for the  Atlantic Wire:

On the bright side for the Almighty's re-election chances, God is still more popular than House Speaker John Boehner and both Republicans and Democrats in Congress, all of whom polled at 33 percent in the same poll.

(snip)

Believers or not, it seems ridiculous for the public to categorically grade God like this, until you realize that it's pollsters who asked the questions in the first place

Public Policy Polling used automated telephone interviews to survey 928 American voters from July 15 to 17. The voters were represented by a mix of liberal, moderate and conservative voters. The poll's margin of error  was +/-3.2%.

- CNN Writer

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  1. Richard S Kaiser

    Religion Sire Laughing, is a Virtue of Morality and does Contain within its’ Word; Written Scruples from which People can and do Discern Themselves with; In order for them to find Social Clarity and Cultural Relationships that Impart a Sense of Pride Within their Bodies of Being Miraculously Formed by the Gods of GOD!

    July 28, 2011 at 5:08 pm |
  2. Allison

    How about the truth that there is no god?

    July 28, 2011 at 5:05 pm |
    • Richard S Kaiser

      Remember what the serpent said to Eve, "Surely you will not die and you shall be as gods"? Today is a Tumultuous Timeperiod where Religions themselves are beginning to see the lost and Obscure Of Manliness and Womanhoods' Fruitioned vestiges of their seededness' Children as but Objects to be ridiculed for a namesake of Biblically Dishonoring those less fortunate. "It is easier for a camel to enter thru the Gates of the heavens of Heaven than for a rich man or even his Seeds who stands unrepented and does not give homages to the poor and poorest in Spirit!"

      July 28, 2011 at 5:20 pm |
    • J.W

      When you say there is no God that is false.

      July 28, 2011 at 5:47 pm |
  3. EnClark

    NEWSFLASH: It's doesn't matter what the polls say. God doesn't care how human beings rate how He runs things. He is GOD and King, He doesn't do things OUR way, only His. So, for those of you saying that you don't like what He does.... GET OVER IT.

    July 28, 2011 at 4:50 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @EnClark

      Say w u t...?

      Peace...

      July 28, 2011 at 4:54 pm |
    • Free

      He should care because the more people who are dissatisfied with him as a god the fewer there will be worshipping him, right? When and if his approval actually hits 0% there will be nobody left worshipping him at all, and he will cease being anyone's 'god'.

      I guess he'll have to change his name then? Perhaps he will be known as 'former God' or 'retired God'? If another god becomes as popular as he still is today he may be labelled 'false god' like those his believers have stopped worshipping today. Likely he will just be labelled 'myth.'

      July 28, 2011 at 5:02 pm |
    • MomOf3

      Free: How about "the artist formally known as god" and he can have a really cool symbol instead of a name... 🙂

      July 28, 2011 at 8:31 pm |
    • Sue

      So can we fire this "god" of yours then? He keeps f-u-cking up and sending tsunamis and diseases and other sh!t at us. What an as=shole.

      July 29, 2011 at 11:44 am |
  4. Reality

    We read and found this:

    •Exodus 32: 3,000 Israelites killed by Moses for worshipping the golden calf.

    •Numbers 31: After killing all men, boys and married women among the Midianites, 32,000 virgins remain as booty for the Israelites. (If unmarried girls are a quarter of the population, then 96,000 people were killed.)

    •Joshua: ◦Joshua 8: 12,000 men and women, all the people of Ai, killed.
    ◦Joshua 10: Joshua completely destroys Gibeon ("larger than Ai"), Makeddah, Libnah, Lachish, Eglon, Hebron, Debir. "He left no survivors."
    ◦Joshua 11: Hazor destroyed. [Paul Johnson, A History of the Jews (1987), estimates the population of Hazor at ?> 50,000]
    ◦TOTAL: if Ai is average, 12,000 x 9 = 108,000 killed.

    •Judges 1: 10,000 Canaanites k. at Battle of Bezek. Jerusalem and Zephath destroyed.
    •Judges 3: ca. 10,000 Moabites k. at Jordan River.
    •Judges 8: 120,000 Midianite soldiers k. by Gideon
    •Judges 20: Benjamin attacked by other tribes. 25,000 killed.

    •1 Samuel 4: 4,000 Isrealites killed at 1st Battle of Ebenezer/Aphek. 30,000 Isr. k. at 2nd battle.

    2 Samuel 8: 22,000 Arameans of Damascus and 18,000 Edomites killed in 2 battles.
    ◦2 Samuel 10: 40,000 Aramean footsoldiers and 7,000 charioteers killed at Helam.
    ◦2 Samuel 18: 20,000 Israelites under Absalom killed at Ephraim.

    •1 Kings 20: 100,000 Arameans killed by Israelites at Battle of Aphek. Another 27,000 killed by collapsing wall.

    •2 Chron 13: Judah beat Israel and inflicted 500,000 casualties.
    •2 Chron 25: Amaziah, king of Judah, k. 10,000 from Seir in battle and executed 10,000 POWs. Discharged Judean soldiers pillaged and killed 3,000.
    •2 Chron 28: Pekah, king of Israel, slew 120,000 Judeans

    •TOTAL: That comes to about 1,283,000 mass killings specifically enumerated in the Old Testament/Torah.

    The New Testament has only one major atrocity, that of a god committing filicide assuming you believe in this Christian mumbo jumbo. Said atrocity should be enough to vitiate all of Christianity.

    July 28, 2011 at 4:47 pm |
    • EnClark

      What Reality? Do you think that God should allow His creation to waste away in their own filth and desecration? Do you think that He should come down and pat you on the back for destroying yourself by commiting sins (i.e f0rnication, drugs, muder, etc)? Do you think He should congratulate you on doing a good job when you berate Him?

      Let me tell you this:
      God punishes whomever NEEDS punishment. He breaks down whomever NEEDS to be broken. He shakes worlds and causes mountains to crash into the oceans. He breathes and even the demons tremble. Who are you to think that God needs you to point out what He once did? God harbors no sin. He is pure and guiltless. Jabbing your finger into the Word of God and/or the Torah and DEMANDING answers as to what you and countless others think is "wrong," is sin. Don't you know that? Who are you? You are nothing but a created being in which God (Jesus) can take breath from, cause the Earth to shudder under your feet, and show you that He is God and there is NO ONE that may destroy, pervert, box, cage, chain, throw away, etc Him....
      Watch what you say, Reality. Words, including those which are written, have the power of Life and Death.

      July 28, 2011 at 4:59 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @EnClark

      You Said to -Reality: "God punishes whomever NEEDS punishment. He breaks down whomever NEEDS to be broken. He shakes worlds and causes mountains to crash into the oceans. He breathes and even the demons tremble."

      That is certainly a lot of unproven speculation and hyperbole, yes...?

      You Said: "Who are you to think that God needs you to point out what He once did?"

      Supposedly, one of 'His' creations, that apparently feels the need to question, said Creator.

      You Said again: "Who are you?"

      Not really much of an argument there, En Clark. We could all, just as arrogantly, ask 'you' the very same question given your seeming to know what is or isn't o.k. to do, with a deity.

      Regards,

      Peace...

      July 28, 2011 at 5:17 pm |
    • OneOfTheSheep

      Excellent facts (for those receptive of same).

      EnClark said: "What Reality? Do you think that God should allow His creation to waste away in their own filth and desecration? Do you think that He should come down and pat you on the back for destroying yourself by committing sins (i.e f0rnication, drugs, muder, etc)? Do you think He should congratulate you on doing a good job when you berate Him?"

      What part of "free will" don't you understand man to have supposedly been "given"? Only so long as man doesn't "game the system"? Only so long as man doesn't "push the envelope" in God's mind? Is it possible to you that God was NOT "all seeing" in the true potential of the man he supposedly created?

      Look around you. Open your eyes. Man has sequenced the human genome. The first humans to live to be 1000 (if we don't blow ourselves up or otherwise make our planet too toxic for life before we diversify into the solar system and then the stars) have already been born. Our ability to question and discover and disseminate knowledge and build upon that knowledge even with today's computers and level of understanding is on a curve ascending increasingly close to infinity.

      According to the Bible, the last time man was so visibly progressing read about the Tower of Bable. When a child learns beyond what is expected, any parent that punishes that child is abusive. But that's an enlightened, modern concept. Man has clearly progressed beyond a hopelessly archaic tome incapable of mental growth.

      When we killed the Nazi war criminals after rejecting their "we were just following orders" defense, man demonstrated a new maturity that makes us culpable if we do others wrong when we should not. If anything, we should have, by now, learned to demand a good example and acceptable goals from those we would follow. Some would see this, not as undue pride, but of desirable maturity. These are those who genuinely want the very best for man.

      I, for one, see man as something more than the ever tail-wagging finger licking dog that would eat the meat of a child if his owner killed one and offered it.

      If you would make God laugh, tell him your dreams ;<)

      July 29, 2011 at 7:57 pm |
  5. Barry

    David,

    Who said my faith in God precludes my accepting evolution, or any other matter of science, for that matter?

    You must have assumed this. You never heard it from me.

    Regarding questions about disease and the other matters you mentioned, much of the Bible focuses upon and addresses these issues. Regarding suffering and the justice of such suffering, see: Job, Genesis (esp. 1-11), Ecclesiastes, the Psalms, a number of the prophetic books, etc..

    I don’t mind discussing these matters, but there is no point in discussing such with one whose mind is not open or receptive.

    There are some matters, however, about which we can agree: Life is short, and death is certain.

    Soon you will know with certainty about the matters you speak with such arrogance. Soon you will know what is in the grave.

    July 28, 2011 at 3:57 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Barry

      Hey there -Barry...

      You Said to -David Johnson: "Regarding questions about disease and the other matters you mentioned, much of the Bible focuses upon and addresses these issues. Regarding suffering and the justice of such suffering, see: Job, Genesis (esp. 1-11), Ecclesiastes, the Psalms, a number of the prophetic books, etc.."

      Just 'because' David's statements/questions about "disease and other matters" that he mentioned are 'written' about in the Bible, doesn't *mean* that what it (the Bible) states truly makes 'any' sense in terms of reality, accuracy, usefulness, fact, etc...etc...

      You Said; "Soon you will know with certainty about the matters you speak with such arrogance. Soon you will know what is in the grave."

      I'm curious, as your tone here is talking of David's supposed 'arrogance,' when... are you not just as arrogant or more...? As it appears that you are the one making claims of 'certainty,' yes...?

      Also, to support my point, your comment about 'knowing what is in the grave' already *infers* and assumes that there 'is' something after death, and, I could be wrong here, but it seems that 'you' are basically stating the old..."you'll find out after death, when you meet your 'Maker'" argument, which again already assumes that there is something after death, and... it is the Christian view of judgement, yes...?

      Regards,

      Peace...

      July 28, 2011 at 4:33 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      deep personal sympathy extended to you in attempting any kind of reason with david johnson.definitely an exercise in futility.like so many he tosses too many unrelated statements into his "arguments" to be decoded with any rational fashion.he begins in unproven illustration and adds lie upon lie as if presenting facts. i would call this type of copy pasted statements shotgun atheism.a wide spread blast with the hope that the unknowing will be caught unawares.several here use the same type of presentation, none of whom have the courtesy to engage in normal intellectual discussion.they appear to be so taken with their own brilliance that they leave no room for anyone else,nor are they the least bit interested in any actual proofs that can be extended.

      July 28, 2011 at 4:51 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @herbert juarez

      Hey there, -Herbert...

      Honestly, (IMO), in the postings that I have seen over the last few months by 'you'... you seem to be doing the very things that you are accusing @David Johnson of.

      You may want to take a look at your own postings.

      Regards,

      Peace...

      July 28, 2011 at 4:58 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @peace to all
      pretty obvious you are talking through your hat,i doubt you have read any of my posts ,and certainly not any from months ago,as there were none. oops" peace to all" caught in bold faced lie ... low shot nimrod

      July 28, 2011 at 5:07 pm |
    • Jesus Potter, Harry Chris

      “begins in unproven illustration and adds lie upon lie as if presenting facts”

      =

      “pretty obvious you are talking through your hat,i doubt you have read any of my posts ,and certainly not any from months ago,as there were none. oops" peace to all" caught in bold faced lie ... low shot nimrod”

      LMAO – What a hypocrite. LOL!

      July 28, 2011 at 5:11 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @herbert juarez

      Sorry dude... on the 'few months.' Seems like you have been around longer. Interesting that you couldn't debate anything I said except for the time frame.

      However, my point still stands about you, and your attempt at ad hominem doesn't negate what I said.

      Oh, BTW-I don't where a hat.

      Regards,

      Peace...

      July 28, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @jesus etc
      do you have any concept of what hypocrite means?Please provide the Proof of truth behind your guru's statements or i and thinking people everywhere will have to consider you a liar as well!

      July 28, 2011 at 5:31 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @peace to all
      that would be wear as in wear a hat ,you must be a real rocket scientist ,and i only started on these blogs a couple weeks ago.oops "peace2all" caught in another lie.i think there are places you can get help for habitual lying,suggest you look.

      July 28, 2011 at 5:35 pm |
    • Hannah

      The hypocrite's crime is that he bears false witness against himself. What makes it so plausible to assume that hypocrisy is the vice of vices is that integrity can indeed exist under the cover of all other vices except this one. Only crime and the criminal, it is true, confront us with the perplexity of radical evil; but only the hypocrite is really rotten to the core.

      July 28, 2011 at 5:35 pm |
    • Andre

      The true hypocrite is the one who ceases to perceive his deception, the one who lies with sincerity.

      July 28, 2011 at 5:37 pm |
    • Lewis

      Be what you would seem to be – or, if you'd like it put more simply – never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise.

      July 28, 2011 at 5:40 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      to all who took the time and effort to define the word hypocrite ,thanks, but would it not be more appropriate to evidence the truth or the lie before labeling someone?if there is a lie show the lie, if not ?

      July 28, 2011 at 5:52 pm |
  6. Free

    Lets do a vote: Who here thinks that Atlas is doing a good job of keeping the Earth up?

    July 28, 2011 at 3:57 pm |
  7. martini paul

    Just got an email from God. He said that I've had my say and now I need to shut the hell up. See you on the dark side of the moon --

    July 28, 2011 at 3:49 pm |
    • Barry

      There is wisdom in your words, Paul.

      Ecclesiastes 5:2

      Do not be quick with your mouth,
      do not be hasty in your heart to utter anything before God.
      God is in heaven and you are on earth, so let your words be few.

      July 28, 2011 at 4:20 pm |
  8. Tim

    For someone who doesn't actually exist, I'd say he's doing a pretty good job.

    July 28, 2011 at 3:30 pm |
    • Free

      Well, people imagine he is.

      July 28, 2011 at 3:56 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Tim

      You Said: "For someone who doesn't actually exist, I'd say he's doing a pretty good job."

      Hmmm... So, how is it that you think that "someone who (doesn't actually exist)" be doing 'anything' let alone... a "pretty good job"...?

      And, at what specifically...?

      Regards,

      Peace...

      July 28, 2011 at 4:53 pm |
  9. Richard S Kaiser

    Jesus Potter, Harry Christ wrote me; "Fractal Cosmological Relatives!
    Are you one of those New Age religious types?” On July 28, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    I; JPHC am the same yesterday and today and forever more! I can say without blemish that there is a GOD and there are HIS Sons called Gods and Manly Men are “as” gods and the same can be said of GODDESS, Goddesses and goddesses. I will stand upon my Word of Truthfulness even until the Day I die and depart from this Celestial Place; Where Human Omnivores creep hither and to there never once repenting upon Any Life they eat with little to No REMORSE in their Ongoing Consumption’s of Life which has and does and will still yet forever sustain Manliness’ and womanhoods’ embodiments even till the very END!

    July 28, 2011 at 2:58 pm |
    • I = rubber, U = glue

      @Richard

      At no point in your rambling, incoherrant response did you actually come close to a rational thought. I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul.

      July 28, 2011 at 3:43 pm |
    • Anti Christian Taliban Schizophrenics

      Richard..... WHAT???????????????

      July 28, 2011 at 3:44 pm |
    • MomOf3

      Next time you think about posting something, print it out and throw darts at the paper. Where the darts land, put a period. It can't hurt, and I doubt it will actually change anything you are trying to say.

      Have a good day!

      July 28, 2011 at 4:39 pm |
    • Jesus Potter, Harry Chris

      Seriously dude...take your medication.

      July 28, 2011 at 4:42 pm |
  10. martini paul

    The best arguement for the historical existence of Jesus is to see what his bitterest enemies, the Jews, had to say about that existence. Makes for thoughtful reading.

    July 28, 2011 at 2:51 pm |
    • Laughing

      Yeah, you aren't smart. Jesus' bitterest enemies are the jews? Really? Having been raised jewish myself I can say with the utmost confidence that jews don't really have anything against jesus insofar as seeing him as the crazy person that he was. Jesus was neither the first nor the last person in judaism to claim he was the messiah and get a whole gaggle of followers to believe him, he's just the most well known. Then again, you can keep spreading the lie that the passion has done so well by making the jews responsible for jesus' death. It's actual one of the few global sports left that everyone enjoys, something bad happens? Where's a jew to blame?

      July 28, 2011 at 3:13 pm |
    • martini paul

      Wasn't trying to make any other point than there is evidence for the historical existence of Jesus. I don't think the Jews of that day took his existence so lightly. That the Jews, taken as whole, were responsible for his death, I reject as vicious, bigoted nonsense and is rightly opposed by Jew and Gentile alike. If I came across as anti-Jewish I certainly apologize and ask your forgiveness. Hey, the way I got it figured I'm just eating the crumbs off of the Master's table but that's good enough for a sinner like me. Really, if I offended, I'm sincerely sorry.

      July 28, 2011 at 3:40 pm |
    • Free

      martini paul
      You sound like Martin Luther.

      July 28, 2011 at 4:00 pm |
    • Barry

      Jesus was a Jew.

      July 28, 2011 at 4:04 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @martini paul

      Hey -martini paul...

      You Said: "The best arguement for the historical existence of Jesus is to see what his bitterest enemies, the Jews, had to say about that existence. Makes for thoughtful reading."

      I'm curious, as it seems that you didn't get to state what this alleged evidence is exactly... and... what are your 'sources' for said evidence...?

      I'd love to hear what you have to say about this.

      Regards,

      Peace...

      July 28, 2011 at 4:11 pm |
    • Laughing

      Oh, no offense taken, you would just be shocked about the various anti-semitic laws that pervade society so thoroughly that even the most well-meaning people repeat anti-semitic laws without realizing it. It's a way of life really. I really answered more in truth to help enlighten you as well as anyone else reading that even though the pope as officially absolved the jews of blame for killing jesus (Thanks?), it's something that hasn't caught hold in the main christian community yet, so I try to educate as many people as possible. As a self-professed atheist I usually try not to get too involved, but if another holocaust type event were to happen, I'm technically as much of a jew as the rabbi down the street and would be targeted all the same.

      July 28, 2011 at 4:13 pm |
  11. Barry

    David Johnson,

    Part of that to which you refer is known as the Synoptic Problem.

    Some try to engage in rigorous mental gymnastics to reconcile the conflicting details of the Gospel accounts, others (including faithful Christians, like myself) consider these differences in the following ways:

    1. The Bible was written by Jews in the East, and Jewish writers from the East wrote allegorically and were not bound by strict 20th or 21st century ideas about reporting or chronicling. (See: Liberating the Gospels: Reading the Gospels Through Jewish Eyes, by Spong and Goulder, for a thorough discussion of this;

    2. Hellenistic literature allowed the authors to modify and alter the texts, in order to make their point; and, the literature of the New Testament was written under the influence of the Hellenistic world. (viz., Alexander the Great’s conquering of the world and his subsequent spreading of Greek language, logic and thought);

    3. The Bible is replete with highly symbolic terms, which held (and still hold) rich meaning for the readers. In the first chapter of Genesis, seven times the text tells us that God looked and saw that it was “good”.; Creation takes place in six days and God rests on the seventh day; the number seven (which incidentally was likely influenced by the fact that the Babylonian Creation Myth was written on seven clay tablets) become highly symbolic and will recur all thorough Scripture.

    In Genesis 12, when God calls Abram (before his name is changed to Abraham) seven times God says: “I will…”

    The same is true of the number three. There were three divisions of Mount Sinai, three divisions of the Tabernacle and Temple of Israel; and three division s of the animal sacrifice to YHWH (the skin, the suet, and the organs); hence the number three will become extremely important.

    I could say more about the influence of Platonic thought in the NT Scripture (body, mind and soul), but I will leave it there.

    The early Christians were convinced that Jesus rose from the dead.

    The timeline, incidentally, is placed in the timeframe of the twenty-four hours observance of the Jewish Passover; and, this 24-hyr. Period was then extended to 48 and then to 72, and each of these three days held significance for the Jews, who believed that Jesus was the Passover Lamb that was slain for their sins.

    I am familiar with these matters, and I believe that Jesus died and rose on the third day.

    July 28, 2011 at 2:40 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Barry

      It is said that the last recourse of the Bible apologist is to fall back upon allegory. After all, when confronted with the many hundreds of biblical problems, allegory permits one to interpret anything however one might please.
      -Gene Kasmar, Minnesota Atheists

      So, the stories of zombies etc. are allegorical and hype.

      Hmm... The problem comes to mind, that once we admit to this, then we must weed out the fiction from the truth. A difficult task since most of the bible does not seem to fit with known evidence or reality.

      You spoke of Genesis:

      Evolution, with its evidence of transitional fossils, geological column, DNA evidence, vestigial organs etc., is very damning to the biblical Creation Story.

      If god created all the organisms on the planet, then He must have created even the diseases that have caused and are causing so much death and misery for humans and animals. He would have had to fashion the tick and the flea. The mosquito and blood flukes. And worms that bore into a child's eye.

      How could an all good god do such a thing? Why would He spend His time creating gruesome things to cause human suffering? Yet, these horrors exist. And if god didn't create them, who did?

      Evolution explains the diversity of the planet's organisms, including the pathogens and the parasites that have caused so much human death and misery.

      If the Creation Story is a fable, then Adam and Eve did not exist.

      If Adam and Eve did not exist, then there was no original sin.

      If there was no original sin, then it cannot be the reason god allows so much suffering in the world. Humans can stop feeling guilty.

      If there was no original sin, then there was no need for a redeemer.

      If there was no redeemer, then Christianity is a based on a false premise.

      "If we cannot believe in the First Adam, why believe in the Last [Christ]?" 1 Corinthians15:45

      If the Creation story is a myth, then there is no reason to believe any of the bible.

      If we evolved, there is no soul –> no afterlife –> no need of a heaven or hell.

      LOL, which is why the Evangelicals fight so hard against evolution.

      So, Barry...where is your evidence that Jesus ever existed?

      Your beliefs aren't interesting. Jesus's stay in the grave did not equal 3 days and 3 nights. Not if He was crucified on Friday and rose Sunday morning. The only way you can reconcile this, is by moving Jesus's death, to an earlier day - which is what many do.

      Cheers!

      July 28, 2011 at 3:30 pm |
  12. Barry

    Nonimus:

    To answer your query:

    I made reference to these matters to indicate my familiarity with them, and to show the absurdity of those comments to which I was responding. Of course I did so, by using norms and standards commonly held by the majority of the world.
    Perhaps you’re aware that the Apostle Paul, when preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the Greeks of Athens, cited their own pagan poets, to make his point.

    Paul said:” Even your own poets say that we are God’s offspring.”

    If you’re interested in his discourse, see the Acts of the Apostles.

    July 28, 2011 at 2:16 pm |
    • Free

      Paul said:” Even your own poets say that we are God’s offspring.”

      It was a time before science could offer an alternative to believing in a supernatural force active in the world. So, at the time of Paul, there really wasn't an excuse (alternative explanation) for not believing in some god(s). Times, however, have certainly changed.

      The gentile poets of Athens were just diplomatic enough to erect a shrine "to an unknown god" as a courtesy to foreigners. Paul was just trying to spin that into an identification of his God as the "unknown" god.

      July 28, 2011 at 4:13 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @Barry,
      Sure, I understand why someone would use those arguments, even though the DSM itself says it is only a guideline and doesn't cover all possible conditions, and I don't necessarily disagree with your argument that religion is not a mental illness, although it could, I think, be described as a widespread spectrum disorder where most people affected are 'high-functioning,' but then you could probably say that about many mental-illnesses.

      What I was wondering is why you would be arguimg in the first place, if you place your faith "solely in God?" Why are you trying to persuade the mind of man, when you trust "...his word and his ability to work in and through the lives of humans, despite our weaknesses and failings."

      July 28, 2011 at 4:41 pm |
  13. IslandAtheist

    I have to give god a zero, because he doesn't exist.

    July 28, 2011 at 2:05 pm |
    • Thomas

      Thanks for demonstrating that you were incapable of reading the question

      July 28, 2011 at 2:44 pm |
    • Free

      Then, how would you rate Dracula and Edward Cullen? Which one does a better job of being a vampire?

      July 28, 2011 at 4:16 pm |
  14. martini paul

    Face facts. In terms of concrete reality atheism is toast. Political, cultural toast. Atheists have always been a minority and always will be a minority. Yes, Virginia, the Pres will continue to light that 'holiday' tree for many, many years to come. Big bark, small dog. It is all they can do.

    July 28, 2011 at 2:05 pm |
    • Laughing

      cool story bro

      July 28, 2011 at 2:19 pm |
    • Jesus Potter, Harry Christ

      "Yes, Virginia, the Pres will continue to light that 'holiday' tree for many, many years to come"

      Yes, of course it will be done it's a ritual to celebrate the Winter Solstice!

      July 28, 2011 at 2:23 pm |
    • martini paul

      My point exactly. Is not the celebration of winter solstice a pagan RELIGIOUS ritual. Face facts. You are not going to get rid of believers or religion. If God does not exist then I argue that religion must be the result of evolution. I think many atheists believe that evolution is god's honest truth but they refuse to accept the consequences of that truth. I argue that there is a mountain of empirical evidence to suggest that religion is a necessary component of human society. If there is no God-based religion then there is going to be a man-based religion. But there will be religion. You have no other choice.

      July 28, 2011 at 2:46 pm |
    • Jesus Potter, Harry Christ

      "I argue that there is a mountain of empirical evidence to suggest that religion is a necessary component of human society. If there is no God-based religion then there is going to be a man-based religion. But there will be religion. You have no other choice."

      I think a good rock concert supporting local community efforts is far more effective than any religion would be, organized religion is not necessary.

      July 28, 2011 at 2:50 pm |
    • martini paul

      Potter: Pretty feeble reply. Was hoping for better. 'For those about to rock- we salute you!'

      July 28, 2011 at 2:54 pm |
    • AreYouaBeliever

      Folks... Let's get the process correct.

      GOD creates everything.

      man didn't.

      HE doesn't have to prove anything to us. Yet, he has. Everyday, just look at your hand, fingers, and especially your fingerprints. No two are alike, not yours or mine or anyones.

      This unique quality comes from a perfect designer.

      And there is so much more...

      But, you are too closed minded to see.

      I feel sorry for you.

      July 28, 2011 at 3:00 pm |
    • Civiloutside

      Oh, I think there's little doubt that religion served a useful evolutionary function in the survival if societies. But that doesn't necessarily mean we're stuck with it forever. Body hair and tails served a useful evolutionary function for our distant ancestors, but they ceased to do so and have thusly atrophied. It's very possible that a feature that proved useful in one stage of an organism's evolution will prove useless or even detrimental in a later stage.

      July 28, 2011 at 3:04 pm |
    • Laughing

      Umm.... what about anamism and native american tribes worshipping nature. It's not really a god they worship, I will say though I can agree to an extent that religion has been a key component in a lot of human evolution in society. (For your own information, using the word evolution as a catchall doesn't apply here. Evolution as a species and the evolution of human society are two separate things even if they share the word evolution, you dig?). Religion has been key for a lot of different reasons. It's helped us create order, it's a tool to control many people without having constant supervision, it gives us immediate answers to questions that seem impossible to prove otherwise and it also allows us to make ourselves feel more important by giving us purpose. However, it's still as manmade as the wheel and at this point religion can stop filling those gaps and be replaced with more practical ways.

      July 28, 2011 at 3:10 pm |
    • Jesus Potter, Harry Christ

      “HE doesn't have to prove anything to us. Yet, he has. Everyday, just look at your hand, fingers, and especially your fingerprints. No two are alike, not yours or mine or anyones.
      This unique quality comes from a perfect designer.
      And there is so much more...
      But, you are too closed minded to see.
      I feel sorry for you.”

      We can appreciate the uniqueness of ourselves without having to believe in a God. Life is much more enjoyable not living in fear over something someone created thousands of years ago. The bible thumpers always hold he-ll over people’s heads to try and get them to obey this book, but that is all it is just a book, it’s not God.

      If I want to follow a book it will be the how to manuals for fixing things around my house. LOL!

      July 28, 2011 at 3:11 pm |
    • Jesus Potter, Harry Christ

      "GOD creates everything.
      man didn't."

      All the technology, going to the moon, the computer you are typing on, the education you got to learn to read was all created by man not a God.

      July 28, 2011 at 3:14 pm |
    • AreYouaBeliever

      @Civiloutside

      Just so I clear, which monkey at the zoo id your Uncle Murry?

      And, just in case he ask me, should I tell him you promise to visit more often as soon as you figure out how to peel a banana.

      Evolution didn't quite turn out too well for you apparently.

      Cheer up. Next major cycle – you'll be better. I hear you will evolve into a parrot. Much more interesting creature. Can talk, fly, and make the same loud noises you do now. Somethings won't change through evolution. Sorry Darwin got it wrong.

      GOD didn't.

      July 28, 2011 at 3:16 pm |
    • Laughing

      That's adorable

      I think AreYouaBeliever is making a joke about evolution, it has to be right? Let me guess, you're one of those folks who askes "Oh Yeah! If eeevolootion was real, then why are there still monkeys around mister scientist man?" right?

      You sir, are adorable, keep up the good work.

      July 28, 2011 at 3:23 pm |
    • Anti Christian Taliban Schizophrenics

      Laughing

      That's adorable

      I think AreYouaBeliever is making a joke about evolution, it has to be right? Let me guess, you're one of those folks who askes "Oh Yeah! If eeevolootion was real, then why are there still monkeys around mister scientist man?" right?

      You sir, are adorable, keep up the good work.
      --------–
      Endless hours of entertainment

      July 28, 2011 at 3:26 pm |
    • Jesus Potter, Harry Christ

      AreYouaBeliever evolved from HeavenSent. LOL!

      July 28, 2011 at 3:26 pm |
    • AreYouaBeliever

      Read again.

      GOD creates man.

      So, without that first – no technology.

      Simple, even a 3 year old can understand.

      Man had tried to outsmart GOD for all his life.

      How's that working out for you?

      Garden of Eden- GOD's perfect place, man messes that up.

      Tower of Babel- man tries to build a tower to heaven to try to kick GOD out. Failed again.

      Man tries to murder JESUS, failed again. JESUS rose on the 3rd day.

      Man thinks too much of themselves.

      We never learn.

      Simple fact – you think it up – some other clown will mess it up.

      So, don't blame GOD.

      Look at the mirror. And take stock of yourself and see how undone you are. We all are.

      I'll put my trust in HIM. Not you or I.

      July 28, 2011 at 3:28 pm |
    • i wonder

      @AreYouaBeliever: "This unique quality comes from a perfect designer."

      Nope. Perhaps a 'just barely good enough' designer ... or more likely, none.

      – a stupid hawk has better vision than humans
      – a dumb dog has a better sense of smell
      – silly cats don't die from salmonella poisoning
      – the human skeleton is shoddily designed for walking upright
      – bacteria are the oldest species on Earth
      – we need doctor/engineers to fix failed parts all the time

      July 28, 2011 at 3:29 pm |
    • Anti Christian Taliban Schizophrenics

      AreYouaBeliever have you considered getting evaluated?
      .
      Schizophrenia is a mental disorder that makes it difficult to tell the difference between real and unreal experiences, to think logically, to have normal emotional responses, and to behave normally in social situations.
      As the illness continues, psychotic symptoms develop:
      • False beliefs or thoughts that are not based in reality (delusions)
      • Hearing, seeing, or feeling things that are not there (hallucinations)

      July 28, 2011 at 3:31 pm |
    • Jesus Potter, Harry Christ

      "Garden of Eden- GOD's perfect place, man messes that up."

      Oh my you think that place was real? Geeze. Now since you believe your God is all knowing then he created Satan knowing Eden would take a bite. So, it wasn't man that messed up it was your God since he's the one that created the whole mess in the first place and then requires all of humanity to worship and fear him for all the mistakes he made. Now, it's a great story but it's completely flawed because...wait for it.....it was created by man. LOL!

      July 28, 2011 at 3:34 pm |
    • AreYouaBeliever

      @Laughing

      Really think your replu says it all.

      Evolution is alive and well in your feable little mind.

      If it still real – why hasn't man grown wings. I always have this reoccurring dream that I am able to just leap up and start flying. You think we will be able to in the next generation?

      Or, better yet. Let's grow gills and become fish. I recall a TV series called AquaMan. Bet you always wanted to be just like him. Sorry, eon't happen.

      GOD made each after their own kind.

      Bird begat bird

      Monkey begat monkey

      Fish begat fish

      Man begat man (via GOD'S other creation – women).

      Have a big laugh. But, at the end od the day. You and I are still a fallen man in need of a Perfect GOD.

      Oh, you probably are happy the movie "Rise of the Apes" is coming to a theater near you. It's a movie.... Not real.... Hope you understand that... Not speaking too fast for you?

      July 28, 2011 at 3:44 pm |
    • AreYouaBeliever

      Wow!

      I am impressed.

      You athiest almost had me convenced.

      NOT!

      Harry and Anti, you believe in the fairy tails your professors taught you in school because they would fail you if you didn't agree with them.

      Use your own GOD given brains and ask yourself- if you could create a lie that everyone who reads it will be willing to die for it, or are willing to everyone theu know that there is a REAL GOD and HE loves you.

      May be that is the real problem. You have the wrong information about GOD.

      Let's start there.

      July 28, 2011 at 3:55 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @AreYouAbeliever
      One question:
      Do you interpret Genesis literally?
      Meaning – are you a young earth creationist?

      July 28, 2011 at 4:03 pm |
    • Laughing

      AreYoua Believer

      BAHAHAHAHAHAHA.......... BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, sorry I need to catch my breath for a second.....

      Ok, where was I? Right, why hasn't man grown wings? Why didn't god give us wings? If you had even a motic.um of understanding of evolution you'd get it. We don't have wings because we have brains, really really big brains. We can outsmart the flyers, the crawlers and the claws. That's why we're at the top of the foodchain. Then again evolution isn't always GOOD evolution, nor can we control what we will evolve into (The singular.ity theory is that in the very near future we will but at the present it's still out of our reach). .

      As for Rise of the Apes......BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA first of all that movie looks like a POS, but aside from that, genet.ica.lly altering something isn't evolution, or rather I guess natural evolution. In any event, you do realize that evolutionary tra.its don't just appear and disappear in a generation right? I mean, hel.l, we still have vestiages of a tail from our primate ancestors and a dumb append.ix that is there to literally burst and kill us at any moment, it serves literally 0 purpose now. If you're god is perfect, explain the append.ix please.

      July 28, 2011 at 4:09 pm |
    • Anti Christian Taliban Schizophrenics

      Doc Vestibule

      @AreYouAbeliever
      One question:
      Do you interpret Genesis literally?
      Meaning – are you a young earth creationist?

      -------
      I was going to ask them that but then I realized they weren't worth it and dull and boring.

      July 28, 2011 at 4:13 pm |
    • Jesus Potter, Harry Christ

      "If it still real – why hasn't man grown wings. I always have this reoccurring dream that I am able to just leap up and start flying. You think we will be able to in the next generation?

      Or, better yet. Let's grow gills and become fish. I recall a TV series called AquaMan. Bet you always wanted to be just like him. Sorry, eon't happen."

      Ummm duh....it doesn't happen overnight and yes we are still evolving. 7% of human genes have undergone recent evolution. The changes include lighter skin and blue eyes in northern Europe and partial resistance to diseases such as malaria among some African populations, according to the study in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Chinese and African adults cannot digest lactose in milk, but across Europe a lactose-tolerance gene is now widespread. So if you come back in a million years we probably won't look like our ancestors did. If you need proof of how evolution works look at medicine, there's the question of how long the antibiotics we take now will remain effective, given the relatively fast rate at which bacteria can evolve resistance to drugs. What is sad about what is happening to this planet is that Earth is currently undergoing a mas*s extinction in which 50 percent or more of species will die out. It doesn't help that our population keeps growing moving into those territories, over harvesting and polluting this planet.

      July 28, 2011 at 4:14 pm |
    • Free

      martini paul
      First of all, I like my holiday tree. In fact, I have no trouble calling it a Christmas tree, and I purposely bought a house with a fine pine out front to put lights on in December because nothing cheers up the dark winter like it.

      Secondly, atheists have always been a minority because even ancient man was seriously superst.itious. Science, and greater education in general, is breaking superst.ition's hold over people. Our numbers are increasing rapidly at the expense of yours. We may still be a small dog, but your dog is shrinking. 😉

      July 28, 2011 at 4:23 pm |
    • AreYouaBeliever

      @Laughing

      now you want us to believe (sorry you don't have a belief in your way of thinking – sorry for the insult) that we now come from my old dog rover. He had a tail. Can't say which side of the family he got it from. But lost it in a fight, can he borrow yours?

      July 28, 2011 at 4:29 pm |
    • J.W

      Every argument I have ever made against evolution AreYouaBeliever just destroyed. Back to the drawing board for me.

      July 28, 2011 at 4:31 pm |
    • Jesus Potter, Harry Chris

      Laughing, Ahh the old tail bone, or as it truly is referred to the coccyx but dude you do need itl, so I wouldn’t say it’s totally useless.

      The coccyx commonly referred to as the tailbone, is the final segment of the ape vertebral column. Comprising three to five separate or fused vertebrae (the coccygeal vertebrae) below the sacrum, it is attached to the sacrum by a fibro cartilaginous joint, the sacrococcygeal symphysis, which permits limited movement between the sacrum and the coccyx. The coccyx is the remnant of a vestigial tail, but still not entirely useless; it is an important attachment for various muscles, tendons and ligaments — which makes it necessary for physicians and patients to pay special attention to these attachments when considering surgical removal of the coccyx

      July 28, 2011 at 4:36 pm |
    • i wonder

      AreYouaBeliever: Sorry, but it seems as if your "Holy Spirit" is not with you. You are sounding more and more dense with each succeeding post. Maybe it's time for you to go pray... or sacrifice a goat or something.

      Or, you can continue to post and highlight and validate so many of the issues that we have with 'believers'.

      July 28, 2011 at 4:45 pm |
    • AreYouaBeliever

      @J.W

      you can play along too.

      Make your case.

      Need to hear from all sides, beliver or not.

      That is why CNN create this blog site.

      They must be laughing their heads off watching these postings.

      No one is having a serious dialog here.

      It is all a big joke- ask all the athiest who are posting here about a poll taken about GOD's performance. Are you seriously thinking HE cares what any of us think.

      CNN. Is the last place to learn about GOD ALMIGHTY.

      Try just reading a BIBLE.

      Then come to a church that teaches the whole BIBLE and have a serious dialog with anyone of us in person.

      Don't continue to hide in the darkness of this CNN blog world. It is all fake!

      July 28, 2011 at 4:45 pm |
    • Civiloutside

      Areyouabeliever: Actually, since I appear to be thriving nicely in my environment and have successfully reproduced children who also appear to be thriving, I'd say evolution has served me quite well. Almost exactly as well as it has served every other person here, whether they believe it or not. It's education that appears to have failed some of us, as your rather thoroughly atrocious understanding of evolution amply demonstrates.

      btw, it's not actually an insult to suggest I'm related to a monkey. You're exactly as closely related to them as I am, which is to say that our last common ancestor (yours, mine, and the monkey's) lived many millions of years ago (yours and mine somewhat more recently).

      July 28, 2011 at 4:48 pm |
    • Jesus Potter, Harry Chris

      "Don't continue to hide in the darkness of this CNN blog world. It is all fake!"

      That's why you hide out here, you're addicted to it which is why you keep coming back over and over again. Your post proves why it's a joke because you don't even take yourself seriously.

      July 28, 2011 at 4:52 pm |
    • Laughing

      Uh Oh JW, careful, or AreYouaBeliever will start questioning you christianity soon!

      @AreYouaBeliever
      You know more than dogs have tails right? Say, like apes?

      In any case, you have yet to answer my question. What's with the appendix? Is it so whenever he thinks someone is getting annoying he can just point and finger and BAM burst appen.dix.

      Jesus Potter Harry Christ – I honestly didn't know the tailbone really had any use left, that was interesting, though would you not agree that we clearly evolved from having a full grown tail to what it is now because species wise, we stopped having as much use for it as we once did?

      July 28, 2011 at 4:53 pm |
    • Anti Christian Taliban Schizophrenics

      AreYouaBeliever

      @J.W

      you can play along too.

      Make your case.

      Need to hear from all sides, beliver or not.

      That is why CNN create this blog site.

      They must be laughing their heads off watching these postings.

      No one is having a serious dialog here.

      It is all a big joke- ask all the athiest who are posting here about a poll taken about GOD's performance. Are you seriously thinking HE cares what any of us think.

      CNN. Is the last place to learn about GOD ALMIGHTY.

      Try just reading a BIBLE.

      Then come to a church that teaches the whole BIBLE and have a serious dialog with anyone of us in person.

      Don't continue to hide in the darkness of this CNN blog world. It is all fake!

      --------
      I always found it interesting people who say their belief is real while others are false and the world we live in is false. They hold their books close as the word of their god which men wrote. They put their faith in those men and their faith is not in their god, rather men. They talk to their god looking up into the sky. They send mental messages out to their god. Some even claim god revealed something or spoke to them. Magical things happen in their "reality".
      .
      But our world is fake and not real?

      July 28, 2011 at 4:54 pm |
    • J.W

      AreYouaBeliever, I have read the Bible. It actually seems to me that you are the one unwilling to have a serious conversation. I would have been somewhat on your side if you hadnt made such a ridiculous argument.

      July 28, 2011 at 5:00 pm |
    • Anti Christian Taliban Schizophrenics

      J.W

      AreYouaBeliever, I have read the Bible. It actually seems to me that you are the one unwilling to have a serious conversation. I would have been somewhat on your side if you hadnt made such a ridiculous argument.

      ------–
      When someone like them posts you see why I changed my name to the current one. There are a handful of christians on here that are pleasant to talk to. Then there are the ones like AreYouaBeliever, Adelina, HeavenSent, FairGarden etc.... They are a blast to f with.

      July 28, 2011 at 5:05 pm |
    • J.W

      I can see that ACTS, there are a couple of atheists who I like to make comments to just to get under their skin. When I make arguments against evolution I at least try to use the fossil record or something instead of using some sort of ridiculous extreme to make my argument.

      July 28, 2011 at 5:31 pm |
    • Free

      AreYouaBeliever
      I'll agree with you that man didn't create everything, but he very likely did create God, like be did every other god. I admit then that you could be right, but if you can't admit that there's a chance that I could be right as well then who's being 'close-minded'?

      July 28, 2011 at 5:40 pm |
    • fred

      Laughing,
      You said:” if there is an omnipotent, omnibenevolent being out there that is always good and has the power to stop pain and suffering and still doesn't, then f.uck that guy”.
      Man is motivated by what, pain, pleasure. In the beginning the garden and life was perfect, nothing but pleasure due to unity with God. One cannot have a real love relationship with God (or anyone else for that matter) if they are a Stepford wife thus free will is necessary. That one tasty apple (I hear you don’t like apples so you’re ok it’s not literal) is required if there is to be free will in a perfect relationship. After mega warnings the lure of the apple wins man rejects God. Perfect goodness or holiness cannot tolerate evil of any kind. Without God we have what we have and we have what you have since we all came from that same seed and none of us are right with God (or no God in you case). We live in the same world of cause an effect with pain and pleasure as our guide. Yet God was still kind (his nature) and reading Genesis we see God ushered in death for man (because to live forever in the pain of this world was too much). God is always good so he has made a way for fallen man to get back.
      What I hear you saying is if you were a good God you have a better idea that does not involve pain and suffering for man. I would like to hear that because I only found God through pain and suffering. Would you create a garden of Eden without the apple where everyone lives in perfect joy and happiness for eternity. Best of all your perfect creation would not have a God or anything greater then self to bring out the sense of awe because that tree of life is not in the garden nor ever conceived. Perfection without individual choice, new creator notwithstanding.

      July 28, 2011 at 6:00 pm |
    • Civiloutside

      That's an odd notion of a perfect relationship. How can a relationship be perfect if it is, in fact, sufficiently unfulfilling to one party that they are willing to sacrifice it in order to choose something else?

      I would think that an actually *perfect* relationship would be one where those involved had other options, were free to choose them, but never want to because their existing relationship fulfills them completely. Clearly something was missing from the God/Adam/Eve relationship if they desired anything else. For that matter, Eve was made explicitly because god didn't provide a sufficiently fulfilling (i.e. perfect) relationship to Adam.

      Not that anything was said in the text about the nature of god's relationship with either of them. This notion that it was perfect is all inserted through your own interpretation, though notably at odds with the events described. Though, it being allegorical fiction anyway, I suppose you're free to interpret it as you like.

      July 28, 2011 at 11:01 pm |
    • fred

      Civiloutside,
      That’s the point it is impossible for man to stay in a perfect world or perfect relationship when given free will. That same area of the brain or consciousness that lets us create is inquisitive. You are assuming man was given a perfect mind, whereas the basis is the Garden of Eden was perfect for man provided man does not touch the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the center.

      In the history of the chosen ones we see this theme repeated for 4500 years. God provides a way to the promised land yet man moves away from God. For Christians they were given the perfect one as a gift yet for 2000 years so far have also continually gone their own way.

      July 29, 2011 at 2:16 am |
    • Civiloutside

      If the Garden were actually perfect *for man* as you claim, then it would have been perfectly suited to man's nature. Clearly it wasn't. There's no assumption of perfection of the human mind inherent in that statement. A thing can be all kinds of imperfect, and anything that is supposed to be a perfect match for it must be capable of accounting for those imperfections. Furthermore, if you are saying that man was given such a mind that rendered it "impossible... To stay in a perfect world or perfect relationship," then what sense does it make for the being that gave him that flawed mind to hold man accountable for the flaw? How could a supposedly perfect being create anything flawed in the first place, except deliberately?

      Yes, men are imperfect. This isn't because they are incapable of living up to the standards of a "perfect" being, but because perfection itself does not exist.

      July 29, 2011 at 10:03 am |
    • fred

      Civiloutside,
      If we assume God perfect then look at only one attribute of that perfection holiness can we agree that anything which is not holy would be excluded? When man deliberately went against explicate warning not to hit on the tree it was case closed. You can never again approach what is perfectly holy (they knew they were naked). The original setting was perfect until then. That word perfect may be a problem because I was having a perfect day until it started to rain?

      July 29, 2011 at 11:32 am |
    • Civiloutside

      Indeed it seems that the word "perfect," is a problem here, since you are espousing a version of perfection in which it is possible for one component of the perfect system (human desire) to be completely mismatched with another component of the system (god's commands) in such a way as to cause the complete breakdown of the system. I say that the fact that the mismatch existed in the first place means the system was not perfect. Which is to be expected because the whole thing was invented by imperfect human storytellers.

      July 29, 2011 at 11:57 am |
    • fred

      Civiloutside,
      Since we are not perfect we could not dream up a perfect system or know if Gods plan, as revealed through 4,000 years of storytellers, is in fact perfect. A perfect soup of pain, pleasure, life and death. These storytellers end the story with that perfect place the kingdom of heaven. We still cannot get in (kicked out in the beginning) but, there is a way somehow through Jesus. Even Jesus says we can't do it, "it is impossible with man". That way is to believe in Him, that He erased that imperfection (knowledge of good and evil) and now we can get in because of what He has done. Looking at what was done all the evil in the hearts of man (religious leaders the worst) was put on Jesus (God incarnate). Take a look at the various things done and final appearance of Jesus ....even Mel Gibson could not fully capture what sin looks like when taken upon by God. "forgive them for they know not what they do" "it is finished" Into your hands I commit my spirit"
      Great ending, Jesus (perfect) makes a way for us in Him. If I have this right Jesus covered that tree of good and evil that man looked upon and now all is perfect because we are forever in perfect oneness with God/Jesus. We have no desire to look on anything else. Looks like we are where you started this conversation.
      Yet, with my imperfect mind the first thought; is there not a short cut or a better way

      July 29, 2011 at 1:36 pm |
  15. Overcomer

    Read and tremble at His Word. If you are not pierced in your conscience to give thanks and praise to the Giver of Life for all He has done for you then look deep within yourself and ask why are you really here. When you seek for Him with all of your heart you will find Him and He will never disappoint even if we don't understand everything He does–

    —Psalms 100:5- For the LORD is good; His lovingkindness is everlasting And His faithfulness to all generations

    July 28, 2011 at 1:44 pm |
    • Free

      'Tremble', as in tremble in fear? How, exactly, does that jive with God's "lovingkindness"?

      July 28, 2011 at 4:26 pm |
  16. Muneef

    Man O Man

    When without money,
    eats wild vegetables at home
    When has money,
    eats same wild vegetables in fine restaurant.
     
    When without money,
    rides bicycle;
    When has money,
    rides exercise machine.
     
    When without money,
    walks to earn food
    When has money,
    walks to lose the fat
     
    Man O Man !  never fails to deceive thyself !
     
    When without money,
    wishes to get married;
    When has money,
    wishes to get divorced.
     
    When without money,
    wife becomes secretary;
    When has money,
    secretary becomes wife.
     
    When without money, acts like rich man;
    When has money, acts like poor man.

    Man, O Man, never can tell the simple truth !
     
    Says share market is bad
    but keeps speculating;
    Says money is evil
    but keeps acc-umu-lating.
    Says high positions are lonely
    but keeps wanting them.
    Says gambling & drinking is bad
    but keeps indulging;

    Man O Man !
    Never means what he says
    and
    never says what he means!
     
    THERE ARE NO MIRACLES IN LIFE.
    LIFE ITSELF IS A MIRACLE!

    July 28, 2011 at 1:41 pm |
    • bridgmjm

      This is a great comment. God Bless America

      July 28, 2011 at 1:50 pm |
    • AreYouaBeliever

      @Muneff

      Earth to Muneff, earth to Muneff. Your spacecraft is waiting to take you home.

      Don't worry about those men in white coats carrying that straight jacket. It's part of your spacesuit.

      Scotty,you may engage the warp drive and get Muneff out of here.

      Captain's log: 07282012

      Muneff went off the deep end.

      Sorry for this delay in sending him back to his planet.

      Please take caution, he bites. But, his bark is worse. Very loud!

      End of transmission.

      July 28, 2011 at 2:21 pm |
    • Free

      "THERE ARE NO MIRACLES IN LIFE.
      LIFE ITSELF IS A MIRACLE!"

      I take it then that you do not subscribe to the idea that Muhammad performed any miracles?

      July 28, 2011 at 4:50 pm |
  17. Helpful Henry

    bad letter combinations / words to avoid if you want to get past the CNN "awaiting moderation" filter:
    Many, if not most, are buried within other words, so use your imagination.
    You can use dashes, spaces, or other characters to modify the "offending" letter combinations.
    --–
    ar-se.....as in ar-senic.
    co-ck.....as in co-ckatiel, co-ckatrice, co-ckleshell, co-ckles, lubco-ck, etc.
    co-on.....as in rac-oon, coc-oon, etc.
    cu-m......as in doc-ument, accu-mulate, circu-mnavigate, circu-mstances, cu-mbersome, cuc-umber, etc.
    cu-nt.....as in Scu-ntthorpe, a city in the UK famous for having problems with filters...!
    ef-fing...as in ef-fing filter
    ft-w......as in soft-ware, delft-ware, swift-water, etc.
    ho-mo.....as in ho-mo sapiens or ho-mose-xual, ho-mogenous, etc.
    ho-rny....as in tho-rny, etc.
    jacka-ss...yet "ass" is allowed by itself.....
    ja-p......as in j-apanese, ja-pan, j-ape, etc.
    koo-ch....as in koo-chie koo..!
    nip-ple
    pi-s......as in pi-stol, lapi-s, pi-ssed, therapi-st, etc.
    pr-ick....as in pri-ckling, pri-ckles, etc.
    ra-pe.....as in scra-pe, tra-peze, gr-ape, thera-peutic, sara-pe, etc.
    se-x......as in Ess-ex, s-exual, etc.
    sh-@t.....but shat is okay – don't use the @ symbol there.
    sl-ut
    sn-atch
    sp-ic.....as in disp-icable, hosp-ice, consp-icuous, susp-icious, sp-icule, sp-ice, etc.
    ti-t......as in const-itution, att-itude, ent-ities, alt-itude, beat-itude, etc.
    tw-at.....as in wristw-atch, nightw-atchman, etc.
    va-g......as in extrava-gant, va-gina, va-grant, va-gue, sava-ge, etc.
    who-re....as in who're you kidding / don't forget to put in that apostrophe!
    wt-f....also!!!!!!!

    There are more, some of them considered "racist", so do not assume that this list is complete.

    July 28, 2011 at 1:32 pm |
  18. Richard S Kaiser

    Laughing wrote @huh; “Fun fact, we're actually on a collision course with andromeda, but even when we merge there's a better chance that we won't experience anything at all. The vast distances between each star is so great that when a merge happens we'll most likely get a gravitational tug in our solar system by a passing star, but nothing more. You should be more worried about when our star becomes a red giant and engulfs as when it swells up. It's going to sting for a little”

    2Peter 3:10, “But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.”

    Been there, Done that!

    July 28, 2011 at 1:20 pm |
    • Spiffy

      Except in this case the earth will cease to exist.

      BTW taking bible passages and making them fit whatever you want at the time isn't the same as a prophesy.

      July 28, 2011 at 1:29 pm |
    • I want to play...

      "2Peter 3:10, “But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.”

      Been there, Done that!"

      I can make it fit too. We did that when we dropped the bomb on Ja_pan!

      July 28, 2011 at 1:35 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      spiffy does not exist

      July 28, 2011 at 1:42 pm |
    • Richard S Kaiser

      "Except in this case the earth will cease to exist." Spiffy wrote'

      The Many Earths of this Universe will never ALL Cease to Be Spiffy!

      Spiffy reiterates saying; "BTW taking bible passages and making them fit whatever you want at the time isn't the same as a prophesy"

      Are you Spiffy a "Hedonite" or an "Atheist" or beyond such well meaning dogmas of Pragmatisms' Dissentionisms?

      For Myself, "I believe in GOD Almighty and do fear HIS Way! I Believe in GOD's First Born Sons being as Gods themselves but upon the lowliness scales of Fractal Cosmological Relatives! I Believe we are "AS" Gods and Goddesses whereupon our Death we ascend deeply into the Chasm of our embodiment being A singular Kingdom of but One God! We; Who will die, are held in Judgment of an Unknowable to Us God within One's Own Body! Of GOD is Glory and By the Gods were we Created and as gods we are!

      July 28, 2011 at 1:48 pm |
    • Nonimus

      "But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. " (2 Peter 3:5-6)
      The earth was not formed out of water, but the various elements created by previous nova and/or supernova.

      July 28, 2011 at 1:51 pm |
    • Jesus Potter, Harry Christ

      "Fractal Cosmological Relatives!"

      Are you one of those New Age religious types?

      July 28, 2011 at 1:53 pm |
    • Laughing

      @ Richard,

      It's cute you want to try and make the bible the thing that predicted that the sun would become a red giant and be engulfed by the sun, but like all you bible nerds, you're taking the quote WAY out of context. When the sun does turn into a red giant, it's going to engulf the earth immediately. There won't be time to really remark on the matter except maybe to say "Did it just get really hot or is that just m-".

      Furthermore, since this event won't happen for a couple of billion years, the chances that man will be around to watch it is about slim to none, and even less chance that if a man were around he won't be a christian.

      Thanks for playing though!

      July 28, 2011 at 2:14 pm |
  19. Reality

    The Gods and Their Religions- a 21st Century Update

    1. origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482

    “New Torah For Modern Minds

    Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

    Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.

    The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine docu-ment. “

    2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

    The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.

    earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

    For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

    Current RCC problems:

    Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

    3., Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

    Current problems:
    Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

    3. Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

    This agenda continues as shown by the ma-ssacre in Mumbai, the as-sas-sinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, the Ft. Hood follower of the koran, and the Filipino “koranics”.

    And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

    Current crises:

    The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

    5. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) – "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."

    The caste/laborer system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

    Current crises:

    The caste system and cow worship/reverence.

    6. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."

    "However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

    Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circu-mstances of his life. e.g. Buddha by one legend was supposedly talking when he came out of his mother's womb.

    Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations, embellishments, lies, and myths surrounding the founders and foundations of said rules of life.

    Then, apply the Five F rule: "First Find the Flaws, then Fix the Foundations". And finally there will be religious peace and religious awareness in the world!!!!!

    July 28, 2011 at 1:02 pm |
    • Richard S Kaiser

      Such are the Revisions of the Revisionists to Revise even the Holy Words. To H E Double L with such damnity and I am mad with sarcasm and do ridicule sich philanderings as Pure Heresies! When will it all End? Who will wind up still yet alive upon this Damnible World? The Children of the Corn, those Repudiated Numb Skulls of Legacy's Servitudes?

      July 28, 2011 at 1:32 pm |
    • AreYouaBeliever

      @Reality

      You have spent way too much time trying to convence yourself there is no god or an attempt to redine what you have heard or read or never understood who GOD is. HE is very much alive, real, and etermal. Alpha and Omega. Beginning and the End.

      Sorry you refuse to believe the BIBLE, HIS love letter to us.

      I don't understand it all. Yet I wake up everyday knowing in my heart and mind, HE is in control.

      We don't like what we see or experience on this world, and want to blame HIM. That is nonsense. We made the wrong choice in the garden. HIS plans and ways are perfect.

      We cannot phatom what HE had in store for us.

      We just have to believe HE is who HE says HE is, recognize our sinful condition, repent, and trust HIM for our eternal life that HE promised.

      I know, this is way over your head. Was for me at one time.

      I know HE is the answer to all your questions.

      GOD bless the day your eyes are opened and your heart is soften.

      July 28, 2011 at 1:36 pm |
    • Laughing

      @AreYouaBeliever

      "We don't like what we see or experience on this world, and want to blame HIM. That is nonsense. We made the wrong choice in the garden. HIS plans and ways are perfect."
      I'm having a grand ole time actually, but hey if there is an omnipotent, omnibenevolent being out there that is always good and has the power to stop pain and suffering and still doesn't, then f.uck that guy. I also don't think even if your dumb apple story were true, that us, 5000 years later can really take the blame for making the wrong choice.

      Then again apparently in the same post you can say,
      "I don't understand it all. Yet I wake up everyday knowing in my heart and mind, HE is in control."
      and then
      "I know, this is way over your head. Was for me at one time."

      Insinutating that you don't understand it all, but then again you do because you know god because he's unknowable, is that it? Doublethink is fun to do, but we know what happens to Winston in 1984 buddy, 2+2 does not = 5 and = 4 at the same time.

      July 28, 2011 at 2:25 pm |
    • bridgmjm

      What he said.

      July 28, 2011 at 3:57 pm |
    • AreYouaBeliever

      @Laughing

      get it straight. I understand that GOD is greater than mankind. Everyday man proves that.

      HIS ways are not our ways, HIS thoughts are not our thoughts.
      We can only think of ourselves, and you have proven that quite well today in all your replies on he blog world in CNN land. The last place anyone would expect to find a knowledgeable person.

      You have a way to bring out the best in GOD, just by being a fool. "A fool says in his heart, there is no GOD" PSALMS 14:1

      read at your own pace.

      Proverbs 18:2

      Proverbs 1:7

      Proverbs 12:15

      Proverbs 14:8

      Proverbs 14:9

      Proverbs 26:11

      Ecclesiastes 10:3

      Fools can read I hope.

      July 28, 2011 at 4:19 pm |
    • Free

      AreYouaBeliever
      "HIS ways are not our ways, HIS thoughts are not our thoughts."
      If this is true, and God's thoughts and motivations are completely alien to humans, then how can people claim to KNOW that God 'loves' us in a way that we would appreciate? He may love humans like we love pizza, and 'heaven' may just be his idea of an all-you-can-eat buffet. 😉

      "A fool says in his heart, there is no GOD"
      In Paul's time you could say that with some conviction because we did not have science yet an an alternative to myth.

      Now, however, ...

      July 28, 2011 at 4:44 pm |
    • Reality

      We read and found this:

      •Exodus 32: 3,000 Israelites killed by Moses for worshipping the golden calf.

      •Numbers 31: After killing all men, boys and married women among the Midianites, 32,000 virgins remain as booty for the Israelites. (If unmarried girls are a quarter of the population, then 96,000 people were killed.)

      •Joshua: ◦Joshua 8: 12,000 men and women, all the people of Ai, killed.
      ◦Joshua 10: Joshua completely destroys Gibeon ("larger than Ai"), Makeddah, Libnah, Lachish, Eglon, Hebron, Debir. "He left no survivors."
      ◦Joshua 11: Hazor destroyed. [Paul Johnson, A History of the Jews (1987), estimates the population of Hazor at ?> 50,000]
      ◦TOTAL: if Ai is average, 12,000 x 9 = 108,000 killed.

      •Judges 1: 10,000 Canaanites k. at Battle of Bezek. Jerusalem and Zephath destroyed.
      •Judges 3: ca. 10,000 Moabites k. at Jordan River.
      •Judges 8: 120,000 Midianite soldiers k. by Gideon
      •Judges 20: Benjamin attacked by other tribes. 25,000 killed.

      •1 Samuel 4: 4,000 Isrealites killed at 1st Battle of Ebenezer/Aphek. 30,000 Isr. k. at 2nd battle.

      2 Samuel 8: 22,000 Arameans of Damascus and 18,000 Edomites killed in 2 battles.
      ◦2 Samuel 10: 40,000 Aramean footsoldiers and 7,000 charioteers killed at Helam.
      ◦2 Samuel 18: 20,000 Israelites under Absalom killed at Ephraim.

      •1 Kings 20: 100,000 Arameans killed by Israelites at Battle of Aphek. Another 27,000 killed by collapsing wall.

      •2 Chron 13: Judah beat Israel and inflicted 500,000 casualties.
      •2 Chron 25: Amaziah, king of Judah, k. 10,000 from Seir in battle and executed 10,000 POWs. Discharged Judean soldiers pillaged and killed 3,000.
      •2 Chron 28: Pekah, king of Israel, slew 120,000 Judeans

      •TOTAL: That comes to about 1,283,000 mass killings specifically enumerated in the Old Testament/Torah.

      The New Testament has only one major atrocity, that of a god committing filicide assuming you believe in this Christian mumbo jumbo. Said atrocity should be enough to vitiate all of Christianity.
      =========================================================================================

      July 28, 2011 at 4:48 pm |
    • Jesus Potter, Harry Chris

      "The last place anyone would expect to find a knowledgeable person."

      You have shown you're definitely not, but you are one angry spiteful person I'll give you that.

      July 28, 2011 at 4:48 pm |
    • AreYouaBeliever

      @Free

      go read... You jumped on too soon

      I see you already have a problem following instructions.

      Take a few minutes, go on-line, search for each BIBLE reference and then come back.

      Blogging out of order will cause serious problems for your little pea brain.

      Fool, that is spelled. F O O L

      July 28, 2011 at 4:54 pm |
    • AreYouaBeliever

      @Reality

      you are still a fool. You can now quote something you don't believe in or exist.

      Haven't convenced me of anything today. Except you are still a fool.

      Nice try.

      July 28, 2011 at 4:59 pm |
    • Anti Christian Taliban Schizophrenics

      AreYouaBeliever

      @Reality

      you are still a fool. You can now quote something you don't believe in or exist.

      Haven't convenced me of anything today. Except you are still a fool.

      ---------–
      I have to admit, he is long winded on his quotes and I no longer read them. Now back to you. If this blog or post could convince you to change then you were never a christian. That is a long road you have to travel on your own with your own research. Besides why would anybody want to change the mond of christians on this board???? Some of you are too darn funny.

      July 28, 2011 at 5:02 pm |
    • Laughing

      AreYouaBeliever

      Wait wait wait, are you telling me your book, the completely unbias one that takes into account that there might not be a god, as something to say about unbelievers?! Well that's a horse of a different color! I guess you got me, I'm the fool because I don't think god is real.

      Keep in mind, themore you use the word "fool" to describe everyone else, the more, dare i say, foolish you look? I can quote books too, especially fictional ones, you want some quotes, I'm sure they'll sway you to stop believing in god any day now.

      I'm confused by the way, since cnnland is the last place you'd find a knowledgable person, what drew you here in the first place? Are you claiming to be ignorant? I wouldn't deny it, but I'm glad that at least we can agree on something.

      July 28, 2011 at 5:03 pm |
    • Free

      AreYouaBeliever
      Oh, I've read your passages from Psalms as well, but maybe it's you who ought to search your Bible better because Jesus said the following in Matthew 5:22

      "But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell."

      So, to but it in terms that perhaps you can understand, "I am rubber, and you are glue..." 😉

      July 28, 2011 at 6:20 pm |
  20. Barry

    To: Anti Christian Taliban Schizophrenics:

    Based on your logic, anyone believing in God is mentally ill and psychotic. (I’m well acquainted with DSM-IV-R, by virtue of two of my masters degrees and other graduate work. I have worked with schizophrenics and have spent considerable time reading about and researching this topic.

    Based on your assertion and logic, the mentally ill would include the likes of Socrates, Plato, Aristotle; Leonardo Da Vinci, Michelangelo, C. S. Lewis, many of our founding fathers, Abraham Lincoln, Gen. Robert E. Lee, et at…

    That’s interesting.

    So only those who are atheists are sound in mind.

    My atheist friends and colleagues would take considerable exception to this.

    July 28, 2011 at 1:01 pm |
    • Spiffy

      Actually we only say those who hear voices telling them what to do are crazy. In a lot of cases people seem to call this voice "God". It might have been cute to have an imaginary friend when you were 5 but when you are 55 it is just creepy.

      July 28, 2011 at 1:14 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      Well, mental stability is still generally recognized in relation to the population norm. For millennia it has been normal to believe in ghosts and fairies. Humans, like most animals are quite susceptible to supersti.tious thinking. We call that normal. When believing in those fanciful ideas lead to destructive behavior then we call an illness.
      It is becoming more and more difficult to take someone who believes in fairy tales very seriously. With modern knowledge attained through science and technology there is very little that seems beyond rational explanation, even if we do not yet have all of the explanations. So, though I would not categorize all believers as mentally ill, I would say they are beginning to tip into the world of purposeful self delusion .

      July 28, 2011 at 1:18 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @Barry,
      Just out of curiosity, why are you referencing the DSM and famous people, when earlier you said, "No, my faith is not in man (humankind), as you said. I place my faith solely in God, and I trust him, his word and his ability to work in and through the lives of humans, despite our weaknesses and failings."

      July 28, 2011 at 1:37 pm |
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