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Poll: 52 percent approve of God’s job performance
July 27th, 2011
11:58 AM ET

Poll: 52 percent approve of God’s job performance

By John Blake, CNN

(CNN) - If you think voters are in cranky mood over politics, a new poll suggests that some of the dissatisfaction may run deeper.

God’s job performance has trouble measuring up to many Americans' expectations, according to a poll by Public Policy Polling, a Democratic firm based in North Carolina.

Only 52 percent of Americans approve of God’s job performance, the survey found, though just 9 percent disapprove.

The polling question that prompted this curious response was, "If God exists, do you approve or disapprove of its performance?"

"When asked to evaluate God on some of the issues it is responsible for, voters give God its best rating on creating the universe, 71-5," the polling report said. "They also approve of its handling of the animal kingdom 56-11, and even its handling of natural disasters 50-13."

Dino Grandoni cited the poll in a blog for the  Atlantic Wire:

On the bright side for the Almighty's re-election chances, God is still more popular than House Speaker John Boehner and both Republicans and Democrats in Congress, all of whom polled at 33 percent in the same poll.

(snip)

Believers or not, it seems ridiculous for the public to categorically grade God like this, until you realize that it's pollsters who asked the questions in the first place

Public Policy Polling used automated telephone interviews to survey 928 American voters from July 15 to 17. The voters were represented by a mix of liberal, moderate and conservative voters. The poll's margin of error  was +/-3.2%.

- CNN Writer

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  1. Matthew Mazza

    I think it's a shame when people can't face their faults and blame the Lord our Father. I am guilty to a point of blaming him @ times. But I reassure you. It's you that are dropping the ball. He is the King of Kings! The Alpha and Omega! The true provider, I am living the proof as I speak!

    July 29, 2011 at 10:50 am |
    • gozer

      Unless you forgot a sarcasm tag in your post, your stupidity and your flaws are proof that your god doesn't exist.

      July 29, 2011 at 11:00 am |
    • Albert

      I am well provided for without the help of any God. Just because your well provided for isn't proof a God exists.

      July 29, 2011 at 11:00 am |
    • Reality

      Matthew,

      You are simply an "accident of birth". Your god had nothing to do with it.

      To wit:

      John Hick, a noted British philosopher of religion, estimates that 95 percent of the people of the world owe their religious affiliation to an accident of birth. The faith of the vast majority of believers depends upon where they were born and when. Those born in Saudi Arabia will almost certainly be Moslems, and those born and raised in India will for the most part be Hindus. Nevertheless, the religion of millions of people can sometimes change abruptly in the face of major political and social upheavals. In the middle of the sixth century ce, virtually all the people of the Near East and Northern Africa, including Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt were Christian. By the end of the following century, the people in these lands were largely Moslem, as a result of the militant spread of Islam.

      The Situation Today
      Barring military conquest, conversion to a faith other than that of one’s birth is rare. Some Jews, Moslems, and Hindus do convert to Christianity, but not often. Similarly, it is not common for Christians to become Moslems or Jews. Most people are satisfied that their own faith is the true one or at least good enough to satisfy their religious and emotional needs. Had St. Augustine or St. Thomas Aquinas been born in Mecca at the start of the present century, the chances are that they would not have been Christians but loyal followers of the prophet Mohammed." J. Somerville

      It is very disturbing that religious narrow- mindedness, intolerance, violence and hatred continues unabated due to radomness of birth. Maybe just maybe if this fact would be published on the first page of every newspaper every day, that we would finally realize the significant stupidity of all religions.

      July 29, 2011 at 11:01 am |
    • Nonimus

      Although it may seem otherwise to you, I don't blame anything on a non-existent supernatural being.
      I will however attempt to point out the inconsistencies in your stated beliefs.

      July 29, 2011 at 11:39 am |
  2. facefur

    This entire discussion is insane. First, "God" may or may not exist, and there is zero, repeat, zero proof of such. (No, the Bible is NOT proof). Second, if this "God" exists, it may or may not be a "personal God." Again, zero proof exists. Third, even if this "God" exists and is personable, whatever it does is, by definition from the religious people, exactly what it should do.

    The only reason people even "grade" such performance is that they selfishly want something else, which is hypocritical at best. The world as we know it is what we see, nothing more, nothing less.

    July 29, 2011 at 7:33 am |
    • Sue

      herbert, how come your omnipotent sky fairy needs "pleasing"? What a self-centered jerk of a god that you've created. No thanks, keep your weird god fictions to yourself.

      July 29, 2011 at 11:15 am |
  3. Muneef

    BBC2 has produced 'a presenter-led do-cu-mentary series' on the life of Muhammad (pbuh)
    which 'draw on the expertise and comments from the world's leading academics and commentators on Islam.'
    You will find all three parts of the do-cu-mentary in the following link.
     http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b012mkh7/episodes/player
     

    July 29, 2011 at 2:32 am |
    • Reality

      The Mohammed of history, past and contemporary:

      Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

      This agenda continues as shown by the ma-ssacre in Mumbai, the as-sas-sinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, the Ft. Hood follower of the koran, and the Filipino “koranics”.

      And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

      Current crises:

      The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

      July 29, 2011 at 7:31 am |
    • Nonimus

      Good to know, thanks.

      July 29, 2011 at 10:45 am |
  4. Bibletruth

    The Lord is perfect in all His ways, and perfectly good. The Lord is to be loved and praised for his perfect goodness.

    July 29, 2011 at 12:23 am |
    • Bucky Ball

      Perfect is it ? Really ? Alrighty then. A few examples of your perfection.....

      1. The entire first chapter of Mathew, is spent establishing the lineage of Yeshua as a descendant in the Davidic line (to fulfill the prophesies). That at the end of the chapter he says he was NOT the father. (No doubt a trial run of the Maurey Povich show).
      2. The Resurrection. Who was present as they arrived at the tomb ?
      Mary alone : (John)
      2 Marys : (Matthew)
      Mary and other women : (Luke)
      3. Last supper (John) Peter says : "Lord, where are you going ?", Thomas says : "Lord we do not know where you are going", and a few minutes later Jesus says "Now I am going to the one who sent me, yet none of you asks me "Where are you going ?' " (? Short attention span.)
      many more : http://www.google.com/search?client=gmail&rls=gm&q=bible%20inconsistencies

      July 29, 2011 at 1:56 am |
    • facefur

      Perhaps, but his followers are not, and their interpretation of his "works" in the various collection of writing you call the Bible is a poor version of whatever that might be. Given the various contradictions in the Bible, and the various accounts published years after the actual events, there is hardly anything that can be state with any certainty.

      Enjoy your fantasy.

      July 29, 2011 at 7:37 am |
  5. Reality

    o Saw this today on another blog:

    From today's Philadelphia Inquirer's report on Cardinal Bevilacqua's testimony to a grand jury investigating the pedophilia coverup in the Philadelphia Archdiocese during the Cardinal's tenure:

    "Bevilacqua insisted he needed "evidence in order to ask someone to step down."

    And not just any evidence. Anonymous reports, Bevilacqua said, had "no value at all to me."

    "Secondhand information," he added, lacked credibility.

    That puzzled the jurors, who then asked Bevilacqua if he believed in the Gospels.

    "Yes," assured the cardinal.

    "But," Spade pressed, "it's the jurors' understanding that the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were written many years after the actual events," by those not present at the time.

    "Yes," Bevilacqua agreed.

    So, using the cleric's own logic, wouldn't that make the Gospels "secondhand information"?

    July 28, 2011 at 11:54 pm |
    • Bibletruth

      Not at all...it is one of the the Holy Spirit's works to bring into remembrance all that Jesus did/said, etc. So, you see, you may have perfect confidence in the bible.

      July 29, 2011 at 12:21 am |
    • Reality

      Actually, Jesus of the bible/NT was a bit "touched". After all he thought he spoke to Satan, thought he changed water into wine, thought he raised Lazarus from the dead etc. In today's world, said Jesus would be declared legally insane.

      Or did P, M, M, L and J simply make him into a first century magic-man via their epistles and gospels of semi-fiction? Most contemporary NT experts after thorough analyses of all the scriptures go with the latter magic-man conclusion with J's gospels being mostly fiction.

      Obviously, today's followers of Paul et al's "magic-man"/holy spirit are also a bit on the odd side believing in all the Christian mumbo jumbo about bodies resurrecting, and exorcisms, and miracles, and "magic-man atonement, and infallible, old, European, white men, and 24/7 body/blood sacrifices followed by consumption of said sacrifices. Yummy!!!!

      So why do we really care what a first century CE, illiterate, long-dead, preacher man would do or say?

      July 29, 2011 at 7:28 am |
  6. Muneef

    AN ABBREVIATED HISTORY OF SÉNÉGAL:
    FROM PRE-COLONIAL TO THE PRESENT

    Islam offered an alternative contract when Sénégambian peoples discovered that the traditional religions had not protected them from State violence and colonial aggression.
    http://www.discoversenegal.com/ar/history.html

    July 28, 2011 at 11:27 pm |
    • Muneef

      Religion plays a pivotal role in the Senegalese culture. Most people are religious in their own way and can sometimes be susp-ici-ous of people who do not practice any religion.
      http://www.kwintessential.co.uk/resources/global-etiquette/senegal.html

      July 28, 2011 at 11:36 pm |
    • Reality

      An Abbreviated History of Islam:

      The Muslim Conquest of India – 11th to 18th century

      ■"The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

      and the 19 million killed in the Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C by Muslims.

      and more recently

      1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

      1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

      2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

      3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US troops killed in action, 3,483 and 925 in non combat roles. 99,901 – 109,143 Iraqi civilians killed as of 3/3/2011/, mostly due to suicide bombers, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

      4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

      5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

      6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

      7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

      8. UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

      9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.

      10) – Afghanistan: US troops 1,141 killed in action, 242 killed in non-combat situations as of 03/03/2011. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror

      11) The killing of 13 citizen soldiers at Ft. Hood by a follower of the koran.

      12) 38 Russian citizens killed on March 29, 2010 by Muslim women suicide bombers.

      13) The May 28, 2010 attack on a Islamic religious minority in Pakistan, which have left 98 dead,

      14) Lockerbie is known internationally as the site where, on 21 December 1988, the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103 crashed as a result of a terrorist bomb. In the United Kingdom the event is referred to as the Lockerbie disaster, the Lockerbie bombing, or simply Lockerbie. Eleven townspeople were killed in Sherwood Crescent, where the plane's wings and fuel tanks plummeted in a fiery explosion, destroying several houses and leaving a huge crater, with debris causing damage to a number of buildings nearby. The 270 fatalities (259 on the plane, 11 in Lockerbie) were citizens of 21 nations.

      15 The daily suicide and/or roadside and/or mosque bombings in the terror world of Islam.

      16) Bombs sent from Yemen by followers of the koran which fortunately were discovered before the bombs were detonated.

      17) The killing of 58 Christians in a Catholic church in one of the latest acts of horror and terror in Iraq.

      18) Moscow airport suicide bombing: 35 dead, 130 injured. January 25, 2011.

      19) A Pakistani minister, who had said he was getting death threats because of his stance against the country's controversial blasphemy law, was shot and killed Wednesday, 3/2/2011

      20) two American troops killed in Germany by a recently radicalized Muslim, 3/3/2011

      21) the kidnapping and apparent killing of a follower of Zoraster in the dark world of Islamic Pakistan.

      22) Shariatpur, Bangladesh (CNN 3/30/2011) - Hena Akhter's last words to her mother proclaimed her innocence. But it was too late to save the 14-year-old girl. Her fellow villagers in Bangladesh's Shariatpur district had already passed harsh judgment on her. Guilty, they said, of having an affair with a married man. The imam from the local mosque ordered the fatwa, or religious ruling, and the punishment: 101 lashes delivered swiftly, deliberately in public. Hena dropped after 70 and died a week later.

      July 28, 2011 at 11:47 pm |
  7. Just the turth

    GOD gets an "A'

    Obama gets a "F"

    Mankind as a whole, jury is still out.

    July 28, 2011 at 11:17 pm |
    • facefur

      Who asked you about Obama? Get over yourself.

      July 29, 2011 at 7:29 am |
  8. Here After

    Only the sign of Jonah for this last ages

    July 28, 2011 at 10:51 pm |
  9. cloudy

    This should go over well with the group that still contends that this is a Christian nation. These voters would be from the 80% in this country that claim to be Christians- and from the 90% that you won't see on the roads and highways on Sunday morning. They obviously believe that they have the right to criticize Him because that is what republicans do these days. They criticize everything that is not republican . And yet He still loves them and wants them to come home.

    July 28, 2011 at 10:21 pm |
    • Richard S Kaiser

      Hello cloudy, sure hope your not gonna rain in on me,LoL

      People need not go to church services because the Temples of the Gods are our Bodies therefore, "when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly."

      Our Fathers who have died; I Pray them to be within the heavens in Heaven of Earth. Hallowed be Their Names For Their Kingdoms Come and Gods' wills be Done upon Earth as it is within the heavens of Heaven's Earth. Forgive all of their temptations' tresspassings as most do forgive others temptuous Tresspassings, yet deliver those out of Wickedness and Evil Ways, For GOD is the Power and the Glories Forever and into Eternity all does Go! Amen and Amen!

      July 28, 2011 at 10:58 pm |
    • hmmm

      Our revels now are ended. These our actors,
      As I foretold you, were all spirits, and
      Are melted into air, into thin air:
      And like the baseless fabric of this vision,
      The cloud-capp'd tow'rs, the gorgeous palaces,
      The solemn temples, the great globe itself,
      Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve,
      And, like this insubstantial pageant faded,
      Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff
      As dreams are made on; and our little life
      Is rounded with a sleep.

      July 28, 2011 at 11:04 pm |
    • I want to play

      Dance like no one is watching, love like you'll never be hurt, sing like no one is listening, and live like it's heaven on earth.

      July 28, 2011 at 11:10 pm |
    • Hannah

      I love this quote by Nelson Mandela "And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same."

      July 28, 2011 at 11:12 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      "One man's religion is another man's belly laugh."
      – Robert Heinlein

      July 29, 2011 at 11:06 am |
  10. Muneef

    Sobhanillah...even the picture on this article if you look closely to the far upper left side of the picture you will see a cloud taking an image of A Crescent and a Star as in The Islamic Flags.... 😉

    July 28, 2011 at 9:11 pm |
    • Blinky

      Heh! I saw that one as Pac-Man going after a dot 🙂

      July 28, 2011 at 11:27 pm |
    • Muneef

      Must be because you are Blinky...otherwise it is obvious looking Cressent and a Star... 🙂

      July 29, 2011 at 1:51 am |
    • Muneef

      Hey, no, it's Pac-Man going after all 72 of his alloted virgins at once.

      July 29, 2011 at 12:27 pm |
  11. Muneef

    We want God we are soldiers of God...and the word of God wil prevail sooner than latter...inshallah...

    July 28, 2011 at 9:07 pm |
    • Arvin Huac

      Another Muslim who views his religious beliefs in military terms. What a surprise.

      July 28, 2011 at 9:09 pm |
    • Muneef

      Never knew that the "Anders Behring Breivik,Norway,Oslo Attacks" was a Muslim.... 😉

      July 29, 2011 at 1:55 am |
  12. Richard S Kaiser

    One needs to but wait until H E double L freezes over regarding the U S of A's current Debt War Debacle! Many folks who might just be found without any income are mostly the Aged and the Physically Impaired not to mention the Mentally Distraught. Who then will come to their Rescue? GOD, Yes is No Respecter of People so it is written and that leaves Christ Jesus to be the Rescuer, BUT "This World is Not Christ's Kingdom" for His Kingdom Lays deep within our Bodies as the Gospel Teaches! We of Omnivorous Beings; Are on a short leash, generationally Spoken about the DAY of His Coming Back which I doubt and in all Honesty, Our Futures Lay within the hands of Moderated Virtuosos That are now of Richly Religious and the Richly Kinds of Rich and Powerful Globalists who seek a One World Order.

    I dare say that Such a Coming One World Order is not necessarily a Bad Thing, But; WIll these Rich and Powerful Virtuosos of Religion and Global Powers seek Omni-Scientific Propagandists to "Enlighten" the World Stages of the TV's Omnivorous Frontal Perceptions by Declarations of Sharing the Wealth of Prosperity to those that have been Abased by Mega Sociologic Bigotry from those who cared little about a person’s lacking an education and hence no Job? “Let GOD Sort this Out!” Right?

    July 28, 2011 at 7:22 pm |
    • frank

      Please check yourself in for a 72 hour observation at your nearest psych ward.

      July 28, 2011 at 7:26 pm |
    • Richard S Kaiser

      "Dr." Frank, Have I offended ye? OR, is that all U can Throw my way, nothing but a Childishly slung Euphemism? Quit degrading yourself and step up to the Podium, Kahpeesh?

      July 28, 2011 at 7:40 pm |
    • frank

      Lol!

      July 28, 2011 at 7:42 pm |
    • Anti Christian Taliban Schizophrenics

      I think Richard is not capable of completing and expressing a single thought. We might truly have a nutjob on here.

      July 28, 2011 at 7:44 pm |
    • Richard S Kaiser

      ACTS are My favorite Scripts not to mention Psalms and Peter! My Christian Fundamentalism Beliefs Stand Firmly upon The Vacancies within my Embodiments' of Cellular-Sized Universes wherewithin are My Body's Unknown-by-me God and your Holier than Thou Generations of sautry peasants cannot fathom the depths of Fractal Cosmologic Relatives!

      July 28, 2011 at 8:37 pm |
    • frank

      Well said.

      July 28, 2011 at 10:25 pm |
    • Bucky Ball

      There was no euphemism there, but am beginning to appreciate your special genius.
      Your view that fractal patterns permits/causes a rational being to jump to THE one of many explanations, "oh god did it", is illogical. Why did it give us logic, if only to suspend it ? You are indeed correct that they swirl "beneath" us as well as above us, probably FAR beneath us, but if the laws of physics in this region of this universe froze out as it cooled, and given enough time, the patterns are observed to be simply the products of those laws and probabilities, then they are not anything "special", (as indeed they have been observed to repeat themselves in super compter sinulations) and everywhere in nature. Why would "person-hood", (if that is an authentic paradigm) arise ONLY in the mid ranage of your swirlings, and again at the "far" end of it ? Nope, I don't think so.

      July 29, 2011 at 2:22 am |
  13. SmallApple

    God is nobody's employee or dependent. How could anyone judge His deeds? He is The Almighty, owner of the universe and everything in it, and the ruler of its systems.
    No mere mortal being has any authority or capability to evaluate His acts or correct Him.

    July 28, 2011 at 6:24 pm |
    • Richard S Kaiser

      Should we; Beings as but mere Mortals of the Omnivorous Kinds Profess our Allegiances to,,,,,,,? Your guess is considered for mine is not really but a noteworthy abstraction!

      July 28, 2011 at 7:33 pm |
    • Huh..

      Captain of our fairy band,
      Helena is here at hand,
      And the youth, mistook by me,
      Pleading for a lover's fee.
      Shall we their fond pageant see?
      Lord, what fools these mortals be!

      July 28, 2011 at 10:43 pm |
  14. Barry

    Peace2All,

    You’re words, like your logic, are twisted and lack integrity; and, they certainly do not engender peace.

    Those who have lived to be close to 100 years of age, universally and overwhelmingly agree that life is short and passes by ever so quickly. This is wisdom.

    Death is certain for all of us. This is obvious, and only a fool would deny this.

    To acknowledge these truths—truths, which are self-evident– is in no way a sign of arrogance, but is indicative of wisdom and humility.

    Contrary to your poor attempt to twist reason and my words, I am confident that the soul is eternal, and that we will all stand before God, after we die; and, I am confident that we will give an account for what we have done during our lives.

    I believe in eternity and Heaven and Hell.

    I never said, “if”, nor did I imply anything other than confidence in God's promises. This is humility, not arrogance.

    I am confident of these things because of the Scriptures, which I believe is the inspired word of God.

    I am also confident of what the Scriptures, when they say: “God is not mocked.”

    Even the Greeks realized that the proud will be humbled. Eventually the Roman emperors accepted this. Remember what happened to Galerius.

    Think about these things, as you lay in bed tonight and contemplate death, the grave and eternity.

    I will be thinking about the eternal God, who made me and saves me.

    July 28, 2011 at 6:14 pm |
    • huh

      Don't be afraid your life will end; be afraid that it will never begin. People like you laying in bed dreaming of a place that doesn't exist doesn't really live in this life probably because you don't know how to truly deal with reality of the here and now.

      July 28, 2011 at 6:21 pm |
    • Scott

      I will be laying in my bed tonight contomplateing what I can do tomorrow to make this world a better place. Not obsessing about my death as so many religious persons do. Nor worshoping an invisibile sky fairy

      July 28, 2011 at 7:11 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Barry

      Hey -Barry...

      So, what is it with you 'believers' and your inability to post your comments under the right conversational thread...? This is the second or third time today, I've been having a discussion with a believer, and I'll end up seeing a response to my comment on another page. Sometimes, several down. This has happened at other times as well. Hmmm... must be a trend.

      *(sighs)... Oh well.

      O.K... here you go. I initially said:
      ______________________________________________________________________________________________________
      @Barry

      Hey there -Barry...

      You Said to @David Johnson: "Regarding questions about disease and the other matters you mentioned, much of the Bible focuses upon and addresses these issues. Regarding suffering and the justice of such suffering, see: Job, Genesis (esp. 1-11), Ecclesiastes, the Psalms, a number of the prophetic books, etc.."

      Just 'because' David's statements/questions about "disease and other matters" that he mentioned are 'written' about in the Bible, doesn't *mean* that what it (the Bible) states truly makes 'any' sense in terms of reality, accuracy, usefulness, fact, etc...etc...

      You Said; "Soon you will know with certainty about the matters you speak with such arrogance. Soon you will know what is in the grave."

      I'm curious, as your tone here is talking of David's supposed 'arrogance,' when... are you not just as arrogant or more...? As it appears that you are the one making claims of 'certainty,' yes...?

      Also, to support my point, your comment about 'knowing what is in the grave' already *infers* and assumes that there 'is' something after death, and, I could be wrong here, but it seems that 'you' are basically stating the old..."you'll find out after death, when you meet your 'Maker'" argument, which again already assumes that there is something after death, and... it is the Christian view of judgement, yes...?

      Regards,

      Peace...

      --------------------------------------------------------
      Then, you responded here with:

      @Peace2All,

      You Said: "Those who have lived to be close to 100 years of age, universally and overwhelmingly agree that life is short and passes by ever so quickly. This is wisdom."

      Wasn't a point of debate. However, since you brought it up... I might say that it is 'obvious.' So, what's your point...?

      You Said: "Death is certain for all of us. This is obvious, and only a fool would deny this."

      Again, thank you captain 'obvious.'

      You Said: "To acknowledge these truths—truths, which are self-evident– is in no way a sign of arrogance, but is indicative of wisdom and humility."

      So far all of the above had basically 'nothing' to do with my posting to what you said. If you look above where I discuss, in my opinion 'your arrogance' is about your claims with what you 'believe' happens after death, with which you seem to confuse with "Fact," which you go on to prove my points below.

      You Said: "Contrary to your poor attempt to twist reason and my words, I am confident that the soul is eternal, and that we will all stand before God, after we die; and, I am confident that we will give an account for what we have done during our lives."

      I'm not trying to "twist reason and your words," as you are just not understanding what you are claiming apparently. When you say..."I am (confident) that the soul is eternal, etc... and I am (confident) that we will stand before God, etc..." (You) are merely stating your 'opinion.' That's it.

      Yes... you 'may' be right. But... you 'may' be 'wrong' too. I was merely pointing out that you were calling -David Johnson 'arrogant' and yet, you are doing the very same thing. There is a major difference from being (confident) to something being an actual verified FACT.

      I was merely pointing out the difference.

      You Said: "I believe in eternity and Heaven and Hell."

      O.K... doesn't mean that there 'is' a Heaven and Hell.

      You Said: "I never said, “if”, nor did I imply anything other than confidence in God's promises. This is humility, not arrogance.
      I am confident of these things because of the Scriptures, which I believe is the inspired word of God.
      I am also confident of what the Scriptures, when they say: “God is not mocked.”

      Again, no problem with you (believing)... just remember it is 'not' necessarily fact. They are 'your' personal beliefs.

      You Said: "Think about these things, as you lay in bed tonight and contemplate death, the grave and eternity."

      O.K... you and I can 'think' about these things all we want, however doesn't make it so (Christian view of what happens after death).

      Regards Barry,

      Peace...

      July 28, 2011 at 7:12 pm |
  15. mikey

    @Peace2All

    I'm not trying to prove anything. I got everything I'll ever need.

    July 28, 2011 at 6:07 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @mikey

      O.K... fair enough, on the "I've got all I need."

      However, I was under the impression that this was a discussion and debate forum, whereby anyone that puts forth their 'opinions' can be challenged.

      Apparently, you are willing to put stuff out there, but don't have the willingness nor capacity to...'back up your claims,' ...?

      Regards,

      Peace...

      July 28, 2011 at 6:14 pm |
    • Lewis

      herbert, whoever would love life and see good days must keep his tongue from evil and his lips from deceitful speech. You must not follow the teaching in the bible.

      July 28, 2011 at 6:25 pm |
    • duh

      "showing a sinner the error of his ways,"

      "ll his wind could be no more than gas!"

      Insulting a person is not showing someone the error of his ways, you are not a true Christian, but only an arrogant jerk consumed by their own ego controlled by Satan. –

      July 28, 2011 at 9:39 pm |
    • Karin

      herbert juarez There are always people who get their kicks by tormenting someone else. They enjoy insulting or teasing others, because they themselves are insecure. So please continue showing us how insecure you are.

      July 29, 2011 at 8:31 am |
    • Fred

      "respond to you in a more biblical font why don't you go screw thyself"

      You just prove Karin correct.

      July 29, 2011 at 10:37 am |
    • ChaChing....

      "with a speech pattern like that you must be more than qualified to be a judge.by the way same to you as to the others you self appointed bigot."

      2 points for Karin! Go Karin!

      July 29, 2011 at 4:10 pm |
    • ChaChing

      "must be computer day at the asylum."

      Karin 3 points! Go Karin! Go Karin!

      July 29, 2011 at 4:27 pm |
    • ChaChing

      4 points for Karin – Go Karin – Go Karin

      July 30, 2011 at 10:27 am |
  16. Jesus who saves us

    To my troubled friend. Remember what you have read in God's word.

    Romans 12 verses 9 through 21.

    Ephesians 6 verses 10 through 20.

    1 John 2 verses 12 through 27.

    Let not your heart be in doubt no longer.

    Praise the Lord. We worship Him almighty. Thanks be to God the Father and to His Son Jesus, who gave us the spirit of life everlasting through His death and resurrection and ascention to heaven where He sits at the Father's right hand.

    Amen.

    July 28, 2011 at 6:04 pm |
    • huh

      I thought you were signing off for the night but yet you're back again....

      July 28, 2011 at 6:11 pm |
    • Scott

      "For I have done your bidding, I have slain myne enemies in your name. I have put women and children to death in your honor; I have caused great pain among them, for your glory"
      –Psalms 5:4-10

      July 28, 2011 at 7:26 pm |
  17. mikey

    How does mankind understand things such as comprehending commands and knowing good from bad? Right from wrong? How come trees give of oxygen and take in Co2 but we take in oxygen and give off Co2?

    Sounds like a plan, blueprints, and a well thought design if you ask me.

    I believe in Jesus, and the proof lives inside. I've witnessed miracles, I've witnessed the impossible become possible. God bless.

    July 28, 2011 at 5:57 pm |
    • Peace2All

      Using the 'teleological argument' as some kind of *proof* of 'design' therefore a God (designer) is a fallacy.

      Complexity doesn't necessarily *mean* that there is a designer or creator.

      Peace...

      July 28, 2011 at 6:09 pm |
    • derp

      I am curious at what part of building his plan did the all powerful creator intelligently insert cancer, HIV, MS and leukemia into his intelligent design. That does not seem so intelligent to me.

      July 28, 2011 at 6:15 pm |
    • LOL

      "now God has partnered with mankind revealing knowledge to select individuals who have made great advances in medical science.there are people working in all those disease areas as we speak.you did not mention polio ,measles, leprosy or small pox in your list ,man working in cooperation with God have found solutions to those problems.many cancers are in various stages of cure."

      That's why God has partner with science to show that people are born gay yet when that argument is used Christians say only the bible is the truth. LOL!

      July 28, 2011 at 9:42 pm |
    • Richard S Kaiser

      How does one understand Life is simplier but more exponentially Obtuse (or slow to understand). The more that the Sciences study, the more questions are put forth.

      My favorite is "Fractal Cosmologic Relatives"! Our Celestial Universe is but One of millions or trillions or,,,,? The Human Being has infinite Cellular Based Universes but on an Innerness that all Life Forms have developed by their innerness providenced Beings of inner-based sections of cellular design. These cell-based universes are likened to a "Blueprint" for Celestial Based Universes to mimic/establish themselves upon but in such an orderly progressive that Brings a Causality-Loop of Grandness!

      GOD is ALL CREATION And the Gods are of all inner-based creations that are Alive and yes have died! As the Bible Professes, "A day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is but a day" can explain the Time Differentials between the Celestial Universes; (Being on the slow end of timeliness) and all Life's Cellular universes Timeliness (Being on the speeded up End) We are what is the middle of the road Time-frame speaking rather bluntly.

      July 28, 2011 at 10:33 pm |
    • Yo

      Richard S Kaiser aka Crucified....keep trying dude but all you are doing is showing how clueless you are to real science.

      July 28, 2011 at 10:39 pm |
    • frank

      Do you see the smiling little jewish face of Baby Jesus in the Mandelbrot Set?

      July 28, 2011 at 10:42 pm |
    • Huh..

      And thus do we of wisdom and of reach,
      With windlasses and with assays of bias
      By indirections find directions out.

      And like bright metal on the sullen ground,
      My reformation, glitt’ring o’er my fault,
      Shall show more goodly and attract more eyes
      Than that which hath no foil to set it off.
      I’ll so offend to make offense a skill,
      Redeeming time when men think least I will.

      July 28, 2011 at 10:53 pm |
  18. mikey

    What was before the universe?

    July 28, 2011 at 5:54 pm |
    • Peace2All

      Your use of the 'cosmological argument' doesn't *prove* anything.

      You may want to look-up the concept of 'infinite regress' as a way to possibly broaden your thinking here.

      Peace...

      July 28, 2011 at 6:06 pm |
    • ummm

      The term “Big Bang” was originally given to the theory (originally called “primeval atom”) by Fred Hoyle on a radio program in which he was mocking the theory. However, the misnomer stuck and has been causing confusion ever since.

      Let’s first look at what the Big Bang theory really states: “Our universe began in a hot dense state which began, and still is expanding. In this initial event, all the matter in our universe was created with approximately 80% hydrogen and 20% helium.”

      That’s my personal paraphrase, but after reviewing a great number of sources, it seems to be the most comprehensive one I can come up with. So let’s analyze it. You’ll notice that nowhere do we find the word “explosion.” Instead we find the term “expansion.”

      The frequent picture people seem to have is matter flying outwards from a single point (like an explosion). However, the matter is all actually standing still while space itself expands dragging the matter with it.

      The general analogy for this is having a series of paperclips on a rubber band. As the rubber band is stretched, the paperclips appear to move away from one another even though they are in fact holding still with regard to the rubber band. Similarly, galaxies hold still more or less (there are small movements due to gravitational interactions) while they are carried by the expanding universe.

      So again, there was no “explosion” but instead, an expansion which is carrying all the rest of the universe away from us.

      July 28, 2011 at 9:48 pm |
    • ummm

      The Big Bang theory doesn’t say anything about what caused it because, well, it doesn’t need to. Theories don’t try to explain everything, just what evidence is available and pertinent. Asking the Big Bang (and Evolution) to do more than this is a double standard. After all, the theory of Gravity doesn’t explain where mass came from. The Germ theory of disease transmission doesn’t explain where germs came from. Electro-magnetic theories don’t explain where charge comes from. Atomic theory doesn’t state where atoms come from.

      So while it might seem like a piece of the puzzle is missing, as far as this single theory is concerned, it’s not really important. The origin of all these other pieces requires separate theories, with their own evidence, which are being worked on, but often times, are still in their infancy (ie, brane theory to explain the precursors to the Big Bang, Abiogenesis to explain the first life…)

      Additionally, the Big Bang doesn’t go all the way back because it really can’t. As I pointed out earlier, when you start going back to far, things become fuzzy. The physical laws we’re all familiar with start to break down under such high energy densities. Really weird stuff starts to happen, like different fundamental forces ceasing to exist and merging with one another.

      Thanks to work in particle accelerators, which can recreate such high energy densities for brief fractions of a second, we’re starting to get a feel for how physical laws operate under these conditions, and thus, are slowly working our way backwards. But there comes a point where we just don’t have a good enough handle on things to be able to say how things work back to pretty early (10-35 seconds), but things were happening so fast and furiously, there’s still a long ways to go before we can uncover what happened to cause the whole mess.

      Perhaps as better particle accelerators come on line, we’ll be able to work back even further, but this will require new theories about how matter and energy behave when shoved that close together, including a theory which has proved difficult for nearly a century, describing how gravity fits in with the other three fundamental forces into something known as the Grand Unified Theory (GUT).

      July 28, 2011 at 9:50 pm |
    • ummm

      The Big Bang theory does have a good amount of evidence behind it. So we’ll take a look at the three biggies.

      a) Cosmological Redshift: As I explained in my earlier post, we can use spectroscopy to determine the rate at which galaxies are moving away from us. Additionally, since it takes light time to travel, the further away we look, the further back in time we are looking.

      What we find, is that all galaxies in the universe are moving away from us. The further they are, the faster they’re moving away. So if we play the whole thing in reverse, all the galaxies will come back together at a single point in time. This point in time is what we call the Big Bang.

      b) The Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB): Figuring that if you played everything back in time like this that all that energy would be crammed into a smaller space, that means the temperature would go up. And also since galaxies couldn’t have formed yet, we’d expect a gaseous sort of universe early on. As I discussed earlier, hot dense gas*ses emit photons at a peak wavelength corresponding to their temperature. Unfortunately, since things were so dense, photons couldn’t get very far.

      However, with the available information, astronomers were able to determine at what density and time, photons would finally be able to get far enough that we could observe them. This is called the “surface of last scattering” and has a very specific temperature. So we should be able to look for photons with energy (wavelength) corresponding to that temperature.

      But due to redshift, they will appear at a different wavelength. This radiation should appear from every direction. This was a prediction made by the Big Bang theory that was later confirmed by Penzias and Wilson who stumbled on it accidentally!

      No other theory of the universe has ever been able to make such a profound prediction to the degree of accuracy the Big Bang did in this instance. Making such amazing predictions is one of the highlights of a good theory. None before or since have ever been able to pull off such a feat.

      But the successes of the CMB prediction don’t stop there. Another important piece of the puzzle lies in that the CMB couldn’t be completely even. If it were, then galaxies couldn’t form since there would be no “seeds” with higher mas*s and thus a stronger gravitational pull to form around.

      Thus, the Big Bang theory had to predict that the CMB would not be completely ho*mogeneous. It should have some variations to it, and those variations would have to be of a specific size in order to get the universe we see today.

      Early results for the Big Bang didn’t look too good for this prediction and threatened to sink the whole ship. However, the devices used were not actually sensitive enough to pick up these minute variations. But recently, with the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP), these perturbations have been discovered precisely as predicted.

      Score two strong predictions for the Big Bang. Zero for any others.

      c) Distribution of Elements: With the conceptual framework intact thanks to the first point, it was also possible to calculate how much of each element should be formed in the initial event. It should be obvious that, given a bunch of protons, electrons, and neutrons, hydrogen should be the easiest to form. Indeed, stick a proton and an electron in a room together and they’ll automatically hook up due to their magnetic attractions.

      Additionally, with such high energies, it would be possible to fuse some of this hydrogen into helium and even a little bit of heavier elements. Since astronomers had a good handle on the energies, it was possible to calculate how much of each there should be. If that number didn’t match up with observations, the Big Bang theory would be shot.

      Fortunately, the predictions do match up pretty closely. I stated a value earlier of 80% hydrogen, 20% helium, and neglected the rest since it would be statistically insignificant. In the universe today, we observe 75% hydrogen, 24% helium, and 1% everything else. This discrepancy is easily accounted for by nearly 14 billion years of stars cooking hydrogen into helium and other heavier elements.

      So there’s three major pieces of evidence for the Big Bang, any one of which, if it had turned out any other way, would completely discredit the theory. Fortunately for the Big Bang, it has pas*sed all of those tests, and not a single other theory has yet been able to adequately explain such things, or many anywhere near as profound of predictions (or any successful predictions for that matter). This is why the Big Bang stands alone as the premiere theory in cosmology today.

      July 28, 2011 at 9:56 pm |
    • Free

      What was before God?

      July 29, 2011 at 12:18 am |
    • Muneef

      Wow I could have said some thing funny but this is not right to joke of therefore I rather shut up.

      July 29, 2011 at 1:46 am |
    • Fred

      "you can put the textbook away now.the question asked was what was "before" the universe.mikey did not ask for a theory of creation,try to focus on the question that was asked."

      If you had actually read what Ummm wrote they did answer the question. Typical Christian, no reading comprehension skills.

      July 29, 2011 at 10:42 am |
    • LinCA

      @herbert juarez

      You said "you can put the textbook away now.the question asked was what was "before" the universe.mikey did not ask for a theory of creation,try to focus on the question that was asked."

      If you actually had read the reply, you might have figured out that the question was answered (I'll dumb it down for you: We don't know and, with the current state of technology, we can't know).

      From your reply I can conclusively show that one of three things must be true about you:
      1) You didn't read the reply and are just making wild accusations, or
      2) You did read the reply and are too dumb to comprehend a simple concept.
      3) You did or didn't read the reply but are unwilling to engage in serious debate.

      I'll let you pick which one it is (I know where the smart money is).

      You said "nothing" in the beginning God""

      So are you saying that your god just simply materialized out of nothing? Are you saying that there was no space, no time, no matter, nothing, and suddenly your god appeared?

      What mechanism caused your god to spring into existence? Did his/her/its start coincide with the start of time, space and matter? Please be very specific and provide verifiable evidence to support your case.

      You have as of yet provided no evidence for your "theory". In fact, there isn't a single shred of evidence supporting any of your claims. Yet you dismiss the one explanation that fits every observed phenomenon.

      Unless and until you provide the requested evidence for your outlandishly ridiculous claims, you can't be taken serious.

      In other words: Put up, or shut up.

      You are free to remain ignorant. That's your choice. But you should expect to be called on it when you willfully display it in public.

      July 29, 2011 at 1:54 pm |
    • Yeahright

      "The original question wasn't answered period.bottom line you weren't there ,no one was,any reference pre-creation would be at best wild speculation."

      The same can be said about any God used as the explanation. LOL! There were 3 references to evidence as to why that theory is more sound than an invisible being. Unless of course you can prove God exists, which you can't. 😉

      July 29, 2011 at 4:26 pm |
    • J.W

      It is impossible to scientifically know what was before the universe, which is why this argument will never end.

      July 29, 2011 at 4:54 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "The God you doubt and reject is not who you think He isn't. He is so much more,He is larger and greater than has ever been imagined.Yet this same eternal being set aside who He was to come to earth to redeem His creation,you and me.You want examples we'll talk,have your people get with my people,we'll do lunch."

      You have absolutely no proof of the except a book that was written 2000 years ago by men, not a God. Without using the bible prove his existence. Your making everything up so you can feel good about who you are because deep down your nothing but an insure person who can't face reality. So where's your proof...

      July 29, 2011 at 5:38 pm |
    • LinCA

      @herbert juarez

      You said "God did not just appear He always has been,He has no beginning and no end He is truly eternal.We His creation can't adequately wrap our mortal minds around who God is.Even those who have been in His presence are at a loss for words in describing their encounters.and there have been many men and women throughout history who have met the living God.Even those who Know Him best can't bring the full scope of His being to our complete understanding.He spoke and the universe came into being and it is still hurtling into an unmeasured space faster than we can comprehend."

      I realize that that is what you believe. That doesn't make it so. There isn't a single hypothesis that includes your god that isn't equally (in)valid when your god is substituted with Bob the Magical Blue Sock, or any other mythical being.

      You said "The God you doubt and reject is not who you think He isn't."

      Must have been a typo, but I get your drift. I think that sentence can be shortened to "The god I reject, isn't". There is very little doubt on my part.

      You said "He is so much more,He is larger and greater than has ever been imagined.Yet this same eternal being set aside who He was to come to earth to redeem His creation,you and me."

      Yeah, yeah. I get it. He is omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, omni-etcetera. From where I'm sitting he looks onmi-impotent or omni-absent. he has failed utterly at getting all of "his creation" to believe in him. Even those that do, are splintered over more than 30,000 different groups. He apparently didn't try very hard.

      You said "You want examples we'll talk,have your people get with my people,we'll do lunch."

      I would like to see some evidence. I'm available for lunch most days next week. Just let me know the place and time.

      July 29, 2011 at 10:04 pm |
    • tallulah13

      ummm: thank you for posting your proof of the big bang theory. That was a fascinating read.

      July 29, 2011 at 10:30 pm |
    • Paul

      herbert juarez just because right now man can't explain everything around him doesn't mean it automatically is equal to a God. Man has evolved over time building on his creations and science. It's man that has found the cures to things that are afflicted on us, not a God. They may have even found a cure to aids but that had nothing to do with a God, but the dedication of many people working to find a cure for years. If your God actually gave a sh* t he could have given it to humanity so that millions of people wouldn't have had to die and millions of children become orphans. The problem with your analogy is by saying it's an invisible God that doesn't existed did it , you take away the credit from the people who actually are the ones who accomplished it. They are the ones that deserve the it, not so pretend friend in the sky. Your intelligence is the same as the people who came up with the bible....oh we can't explain it must be a God. Religion is the downfall of man throughout history because it creates hostility towards others that don't believe as you do. Your posts prove that point.

      July 30, 2011 at 10:38 am |
  19. mikey

    If man evolved from monkeys...why are there still monkeys?

    July 28, 2011 at 5:54 pm |
    • Peace2All

      Your question seems to demonstrate no real understanding on your part of evolution.

      Almost a version of a 'straw-man' argument.

      Peace...

      July 28, 2011 at 6:04 pm |
    • Evolution

      There are two sides to this question: one is whether any modern view of evolution requires that there only be one instance of a "type" and once it has been evolved out of, it should go extinct. This is a silly belief that itself is based on ideas that predate even Linnaeus – that each "position" on the "scale of nature" once occupied by a lineage, must become empty when that lineage moves upward. No theory of evolution has held this view for at least 200 years, even before Darwin. If we did evolve from monkeys, then monkeys do not all have to go extinct just because another kind of monkey (i.e., us) has evolved.

      The second side to the question though is this: were our ancestors monkeys at all? And the answer to this is subtle.

      There are basically two ways to clas-sify things in biology. One is by ident-ity – if group X is the same in some important manner to Y, then X + Y form a group based on that ident-ity. The biological term for ident-ity of characters here is ho-mology, a term proposed by Richard Owen in 1843. It means the same or-gan under all variations of form and function. All or-ganisms that have a heart form a single group – no matter if the hearts are single chambered, double chambered, or four-chambered. But or-ganisms that have some kind of pump that is not "the same" as the heart are not in that way ho-molog-ous – if, say, the "heart" in that species develops out of the anus or something, and not in the thoracic part of the body.

      So were our ancestors monkeys? Each way of clas-sifying gives a different answer. On the ident-ity criterion, humans fall naturally into several increasingly larger groups: Ho-mo is in Hominini, which includes several now extinct Ho-mo species and chimps; Homininae, which includes hominids as well as gorillas; Hominidae, which also includes orangutans, and Hominoidea, which includes gibbons. Hominoidea is referred to as the African Great Apes, although the gibbon and orangutan live in Asia. It a part of Catarrhini, or the Old World (African and Eurasian) monkeys.

      But "monkey" is typically understood to mean a Primate that has a tail, and so it includes also the New World (American) monkeys: the Platyrrhini. But apes do not have tails, so "monkey" defined by similarity as a type is basically Primate minus Hominoidea. This is like saying that a cookie (or biscuit in the sensible English speaking part of the world) is whatever is left after a bite has been taken out of it. It is what taxonomists call a paraphyletic group: a group that is everything left over by some exclusion of a part that would normally be included.

      Now, our ancestors were never New World monkeys. The term "monkey" therefore refers to animals that include or-ganisms that don't share our ancestry further down the tree. It's a type, not a taxon.

      Ordinary language is typical. That is, ordinary terms like "monkey" refer to things that resemble each other is ways that may not even be scientifically natural. It's best when making a scientific claim to use scientific terms, because they refer to natural things, natural clas-ses. So a scientist would say "humans evolved from hom-inoids, which evolved from cata-rrhines, which evolved from an ancestral primate." An ordinary speaker would throw their hands up in despair and say "Just tell me, did we evolve from monkeys or not?!" They are speaking past each other. "Monkey" has no scientific meaning.

      Some scientists, though, think that this is just logic and language chopping. Of course whatever it is that humans have as their distant ancestor would have been called a "monkey" in ordinary (that is, typical) terms. Geogre Simpson once said exactly that:

      So when someone asks if we evolved from monkeys, tell them "Yes, if by "monkey" you mean a primate; no, if you mean Primate minus Hominoid". Of course at some very early and distant time our ancestors were monkeys, but not recently.

      Now, back to the "why are there still monkeys?" part of the question: on the older view of evolution that was the common idea of evolution for a century prior to Darwin (both the evolution of or-ganisms, or languages, and of social inst-itutions), if a lineage had evolved, it moved "up" the ladder as a whole. On the Darwinian view, only one part of a species evolves into the next (and there's no "next step" – a species evolves into whatever suits the local conditions of the population it evolves from; it may be bigger brained or smaller brained, or for that matter bigger or smaller). The rest of the species remains. So we end up with an increase in the diversity of life, which is, I think, the single most important point Darwin ever made. Monkeys remain because we are monkeys, and so are chimps, orangs, and all those other primates. All of them remain because they evolved by the multiplication of taxa.

      July 28, 2011 at 6:08 pm |
    • derp

      @Evo Brilliant answer to a remarkably stupid question. Although probably a waste of typing.

      July 28, 2011 at 6:18 pm |
    • i wonder

      Mikey,

      @Evolution's post is good. Please read it... and then read it again.

      Humans did NOT evolve from monkeys. We share a common ancestor waaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in time.

      Mice and squirrels share a common ancestor way back. You would not ask, "If there are mice, why are there still squirrels?"

      July 28, 2011 at 6:24 pm |
    • Scott

      Pritisants evolved from catholics. Why are there still catholics?

      July 28, 2011 at 7:32 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @mikey

      I concur with @i wonder. Please read the posting under mine above from @Evolution. He/She posted a very articulate and accurate description that basically anyone can understand.

      Peace...

      ----------------------------------------------

      @Evolution

      Very nice !

      Regards,

      Peace...

      July 28, 2011 at 7:34 pm |
    • Anti Christian Taliban Schizophrenics

      Well put Evolution, but I think you lost mikey at the first word. I don't think mikey has ever read or tried to read what you stated. If it conflicts with his religious views then it is blocked out and he scrambles for the unthought out response that he gave. Perhaps one of his christian buddies told him that is what you say?

      July 28, 2011 at 7:43 pm |
    • LinCA

      @Peace2All

      You said "He/She posted a very articulate and accurate description that basically anyone can understand." (emphasis added).

      I admire your "faith" in the basic capabilities of people, but there seems to be plenty of evidence on this board to prove you wrong. 😉

      Cheers.

      July 28, 2011 at 8:11 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @LinCA

      Hey -Lin...

      Yeah, I know... one can only hope.

      Hope that you are well.

      Regards,

      Peace...

      July 28, 2011 at 8:25 pm |
    • LinCA

      @Peace2All

      Hey Peace. I'm doing well. Thanks. I'm trying to stay off the belief blog (and failing miserably). So many idiots, so little time....

      Hope you're doing OK,
      LinCA

      July 28, 2011 at 9:50 pm |
    • Muneef

      There are still Monkeys Awaiting their turn in Evolution....but this time by the hand of mankind;
      http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/21/us-science-animal-human-idUSTRE76K7Q220110721

      July 29, 2011 at 12:13 am |
    • Nonimus

      @mikey,
      The post by Evolution is good.
      I have found the following analogy good as well.

      If the U.S. was founded by the British, then why are there still British.

      July 29, 2011 at 10:55 am |
    • MykC

      Catholics are still keep evolving to protestant, why monkeys aren't? Why they stop of becoming human?

      July 29, 2011 at 1:04 pm |
    • MykC

      What a long post of raw babbles.

      July 29, 2011 at 1:17 pm |
    • Ummm

      "babbles."

      LOL That's why you are only babbling and not contributing to the conversation, what a hypocrite.

      July 29, 2011 at 1:19 pm |
  20. AreYouaBeliever

    Hope everyone had fun today picking on me.

    I sure did playing your silly game of

    "let's prove there is no god".

    You folks have a great night.

    May tomorrow, CNN will have a poll on how would you rate the non existing god of the universe performance.

    Goodnight all. I know you'll miss me.

    So, who is your next victim of athist bullying?

    July 28, 2011 at 5:09 pm |
    • Jesus Potter, Harry Chris

      "So, who is your next victim of athist bullying?"

      Bullying do you even know what that means? It's deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior by an individual.

      So I took these just from this page alone but there are so many more....

      “But, you are too closed minded to see.”

      “Simple, even a 3 year old can understand.”

      “Oh, you probably are happy the movie "Rise of the Apes" is coming to a theater near you. It's a movie.... Not real.... Hope you understand that... Not speaking too fast for you?”

      “Don't worry about those men in white coats carrying that straight jacket. It's part of your spacesuit.”

      “I know, this is way over your head.”

      “The last place anyone would expect to find a knowledgeable person.”

      “I see you already have a problem following instructions.”

      “Blogging out of order will cause serious problems for your little pea brain.”

      “Except you are still a fool.”

      -–You're the bully which is why you think you see it in others because you can't see the plank in your eye.

      July 28, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
    • AreYouaBeliever

      I knew deep in my heart you really love me. You only hurt the ones you love.

      Like f in with you too.

      July 28, 2011 at 5:30 pm |
    • Barry

      Brother or Sister:

      Take heart from what Jesus said in the Sermon on the Mount.

      "Rejoice when pepole persecute you for my sake or for the sake of the Gospel...Leap for joy...For great is your reward in heaven."

      God bless you, and don't get discouraged.

      –Barry

      July 28, 2011 at 5:39 pm |
    • Lewis

      Whoever would love life and see good days must keep his tongue from evil and his lips from deceitful speech (1 Pet. 3:10).

      July 28, 2011 at 5:45 pm |
    • Hannah

      Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs (1 Cor. 13:4-5).

      July 28, 2011 at 5:46 pm |
    • Andre

      A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult (Pr. 12:16)

      July 28, 2011 at 5:50 pm |
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