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September 14th, 2011
10:14 AM ET

Does Dems' loss mean trouble with Jewish voters?

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) – Republicans jumped on the Democrats’ Tuesday loss of the congressional seat given up by disgraced U.S. Rep. Anthony Weiner as a sign of eroding Jewish support for President Barack Obama and his party.

New York’s heavily Democratic 9th Congressional District, centered on Brooklyn and Queens, is one of the most Jewish in the nation, and the Democratic candidate was an Orthodox Jew.

"This Republican win in an overwhelmingly Democrat district is a significant indicator of the problem that President Obama has in the Jewish community,” Republican Jewish Coalition executive director Matt Brooks said after Republican Bob Turner won Tuesday’s special election, an outcome that few had predicted a couple of months ago.

“While party leaders scramble to deny and try to stem the erosion of Jewish support for Democrats, the real issue is this President's policies on Israel, on jobs, and on the economy,” Brooks said in a statement late Tuesday. "Bob Turner's win tonight has huge implications for 2012 races in states with large Jewish communities, such as Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.”

Turner, a former cable television executive who faced a steep fundraising disadvantage against Democrat David Weprin, framed the race as a referendum on Obama. He continually blasted the president’s posture toward Israel as insufficiently supportive.

Former New York Mayor Ed Koch, a Jewish Democrat, endorsed Turner for Congress, citing Israel as the primary reason.

“My support for Mr. Turner is intended to send a message to President Obama that he cannot throw Israel under the bus with impunity,” Koch wrote recently, explaining his endorsement.

At Turner’s Tuesday night victory party, where there was a heavy Orthodox Jewish presence, Koch said: "I like President Obama. ... I helped get him elected.”

"But he threw Israel under the bus," Koch said.

Recent surveys from the Siena College Research Institute suggested that Weprin suffered from a sharp decline in Jewish support over the course of August, with a 21-point lead among Jewish likely voters dwindling to 6 points last week.

Siena College pollster Steven Greenberg said the Democratic candidate's falloff in Jewish support came at the hands of defecting Jewish independents and Republicans. Greenberg estimates that New York’s 9th District is about a quarter Jewish.

A Wednesday polling memo from the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee did not mention the role of Israel in the New York race, but said that “Republicans used the Karl Rove playbook to scare small, discrete groups of single-issue voters in a low turnout election.”

“For example, Tea Party Republican Bob Turner played on New Yorkers fear and anxiety around the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks,” the memo said. “Turner’s TV ads and mailers included images of the TwinTowers burning and the so-called Ground Zero mosque. Republican outside groups targeted Republican voters, Italian and Irish Catholics, and Orthodox Jews.”

Some Orthodox Jewish rabbis criticized Weprin during the campaign for supporting same-sex marriage as a New York state assemblyman. The National Organization for Marriage, a group opposed to same-sex marriage, spent $75,000 to defeat Weprin, including through mailers to Jewish voters.

“NOM played a major role in this election, helping to organize the Jewish and Hispanic communities to coalesce with Republicans, conservative and other pro-family voters,” the group said in a statement Wednesday. “We mounted the first and largest independent expenditure campaign in the race to make marriage a key issue, and we succeeded.”

A Siena poll earlier this month found that 76% of Jewish likely voters in Weiner’s old district said the country is headed in the wrong direction and that just 42% had a favorable view of Obama.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, meanwhile, enjoyed a 76% approval rating among Jewish likely voters in New York’s 9th District.

Democrats have traditionally enjoyed overwhelming levels of Jewish support.

Greenberg said that Obama is suffering among Democratic voters more broadly and that “Jewish voters are no different than all the voters in the district.”

In a May speech, Obama said that Israel's 1967 borders should be a starting point for peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians and land swaps, provoking criticism from some Jewish leaders.

But a July poll from Gallup found that Obama had a 60% job approval rating among Jewish Americans, and that the speech was "not a watershed in Jewish views toward Obama.”

Sen. Joseph Lieberman, an independent from Connecticut and an Orthodox Jew, endorsed Weprin over the summer and came to his defense on Israel.

"While David Weprin can be counted on to fight for the safety and security of the State of Israel, we can also rely on him to protect the seniors and working families of Brooklyn and Queens," Lieberman said in July.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Judaism • New York • Politics

soundoff (766 Responses)
  1. Jason

    If Jews are going to vote based on Israel, and not the USA, then I say the sooner we cut off all aid to Israel, the better. It's outrageous that American government is held hostage to the needs of a tiny nation on the other side of the globe.

    American Jews, if you love Israel more than America, then move there, please.

    September 14, 2011 at 11:52 am |
    • george

      You can take your message to us Americans who happen to be Jewish and put it where the sun doesn't shine.

      September 14, 2011 at 11:56 am |
    • SCAtheist

      So George – you are for continually expanding settlements? That is not in the interest of the country you live in. Make an ethical choice.

      September 14, 2011 at 11:58 am |
    • Jason

      George, is Israel an independent nation that has a right to be angry when the USA gets involved in its affairs, or is it a dependent state that continues to exist mainly because of the charity of the American people?

      There's a very simple way to resolve issues of American involvement in the middle east and that's to simply end all American aid to Israel. No more American weapons, no more American diplomatic support, no more economic aid.

      As for you, you still haven't addressed the real question: Is your first loyalty to Israel or to the United States? If you consider yourself to truly be a citizen of the United States, then why have such a strong pro Israel bias? Because bias is the only reason to consider and see just how one sided the relationship is between the United States and Israel.

      September 14, 2011 at 12:02 pm |
    • pat carr

      Correct Jason, well stated.

      Also notice on many forums, if one opposes the undue influence of Israel, they are instantly branded as "anti-semitic" or other slurs. You cannot even express your opinion without getting lambasted.

      This is not free speech nor is it freedom. It appears that Israel is mostly beyond criticism and we must just support them no matter what. it is absolutely absurd.

      September 14, 2011 at 12:17 pm |
    • A Voice of Reason

      The question is not whether Israel is perfect or whether Israel is dependent upon the United States. It is NOT perfect and it IS largely dependent upon support from the United States. But as many fail to realize it is FAR AND AWAY our closest ally in the Middle east and our only reliable friend in the region.

      We have states like Egypt and Syria in the middle of revolutions. We have other states like Iran which openly call for attacks against the U.S. We have Iraq and Afghanistan which are FAR more dependent upon the U.S. for support than Israel. We have Saudi Arabia, while a great ally in the global political stage, a country that allows the stoning of female adulterers and the official beheading of four bank robbers as recently as 2007 as well as the crucifixion of their bodies to "set an example".

      Again, I'm not claiming Israel to be scott free of any wrong-doing; they do occasionally kill civilians, but often we find it's because there were militants firing rockets into Israel from a school compound nearby.

      The question is not whether we should continue to support each and every policy enacted by Israel; clearly we will have differences of opinion on certain issues. But Israel takes exception to some US policies as well, I am sure. The question is whether we should continue to support Israel in general, and the answer is a resounding yes. Support for Israel and support for America are not mutually exclusive; Israel and America, if you examine the politics of the region more closely, have an extremely symbiotic relationship.

      September 14, 2011 at 12:52 pm |
    • Jason

      @A Voice of Reason:

      In practical terms, I think we can get better value for our money. In fact, I don't believe that Israel is much of an ally at all. What is it that they provide to us? Do they provide military bases? No, they don't. Do they provide us with economic resources? No, they don't. Do their policies make the region more stable or more friendly to America? No, quite the opposite.

      America is getting a terrible deal, and I think we have a responsibility to renegotiate. If Israel doesn't want to negotiate (and seems to be the basic mindset of that nation) then we should simply end the deal. Because the relationship is so one sided, we have everything to gain, and Israel has everything to lose. If they choose self destruction over compromise because they believe that God is on their side, then by all means, let's find out.

      September 14, 2011 at 1:02 pm |
  2. Jennifer NYC

    Obama's behavior toward Netanyahu and Israel is offensive and infuriating...I'm a Christian, but you can't tell me that bigoted racist minister of his did not influence him..

    September 14, 2011 at 11:51 am |
    • SCAtheist

      I'm sure you know that. You're just defending Israel because you believe the invisible man in the sky is their friend.

      September 14, 2011 at 11:53 am |
    • Rational Being

      @SCAtheist

      What will you do when a bully is threatening to wipe someone off the face of this planet?

      September 14, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
    • Shoeless Joe

      SCAtheist Why do you feel a need to knock religion so often. you may not know the answer, but I do. Do atheists start with the premise that there is no g-d, and look for an alternative solution. Or di=o they consider the existence of G-d as a possibility as well.

      In all other research, all possible solutions are given equal thought. With atheists, thepossiblity of G-d existong is never considered. Why would that be. the answer is very simple. If G-d did exist, that would me that one has to answer to a higher authority. That would mean that he is not free to do whatever he wants, that would mean that he has additional responsability's.

      Many people don't want to face that possiblity, as they wan to do and act however they please, not neccesarily badly, but what they define as the way should act. As a result, they are biased against the possibility of the existiance of G-d, so they look for any possible alternative explanation.

      Think about how ridiculous evolution would sound to someone if they hadn't been indoctrinated whith it at a young age. there was a bang, that created organisms, that turned into, dinausars, monkeys and eventually people. If this would be a fiction story, no one would buy it, to unbeleivable.

      This explains some atheist vehement condemnation of religion. It is their cinciounse that is not giving them peace. in my experience "atheists who don't have a religious background tend to live and let live, there conscience doesn't particularly bother them as they don't know better. It is the ones with the religous background, who deep down know better that are militantly anti religion.

      I hope one day you find peace whithin yourself

      September 14, 2011 at 12:18 pm |
    • ET

      SC has been watching more reruns of Ancient Aliens on the History channel again.

      September 14, 2011 at 12:26 pm |
    • Jason

      It's offensive to me that a nation that owes everything about its existence to the United States, arrogantly believes that they can engage in destabilizing policies, make no real effort at peace, and then try to shift the blame some how to the United States.

      Israel IS accountable to the United States because they are a completely dependent state. Because they've been sheltered for so long they've started to really believe that they stand alone. Let's see them stand alone for a bit. If they make it, then good, we can save billions of dollars a year in wasted foreign aid, and give muslim extremists one less reason to hate America.

      If they fail, and the state of Israel is replaced by the state of Palestine, then that's the consequence of hubris. If Jews believe that they have a divine mandate to settle the west bank, then let Jehovah supply their food and ammunition, not Uncle Sam.

      September 14, 2011 at 12:39 pm |
  3. laurielee

    What is amazing to me is that people would actual cast their vote for a representative based on his policy regarding Israel. Apparently, those people don't give a damn about what is going on in this country. If Israel is so damn important to you people then why don't you move there? Don't throw America under the bus for the sake of Israel.

    September 14, 2011 at 11:50 am |
    • SCAtheist

      Religion and ideology s c r e w America again.

      September 14, 2011 at 11:51 am |
    • Jennifer NYC

      Sorry – but you are throwing people under the bus for Obama's policies that are killing jobs and our economy. You need to read more.

      September 14, 2011 at 11:52 am |
    • Dictator

      Always AMERICA first.

      September 14, 2011 at 11:59 am |
    • Blinded by the "Light"

      How does support for Israel "Throw America under the Bus" ?

      September 14, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
    • laurielee

      When you vote for a candidate based primarily on his stance on middle eastern politics, you are throwing America under the bus. There are more important issues here in America that need to be addressed without worrying about what is going on in Israel. How about creating jobs in America, saving social security, paying down the national debt, and making sure that children here in America don't go hungry....

      Perhaps "you need to read more" to Ms. Jennifer NYC

      September 14, 2011 at 1:39 pm |
  4. John Doe

    So very tired of it all...... If it wasn't for the Israelies; these Arab countries wouldn't hate us so much. And the only reason Israel acts the way they do, is because they know the United States will back them up.

    September 14, 2011 at 11:49 am |
    • Bebe

      Hey, John Doe, the Arabs hated us before 1948, or are you not aware that they were for the most part allied with the Nazis in World War II? Even our "good friend" Saudi Arabia spends a fortune funneling money to terrorists (including many who've attacked us here and abroad). Sounds to me as if you are not very aware of much if you think the Israelis are our problem.

      September 14, 2011 at 11:52 am |
    • why

      why can't the arabians leave Israelis alone?
      it is country that is only 290 miles long and 85 miles wide.
      Why bully such a small country???
      Why can't they let them BE?

      September 14, 2011 at 11:55 am |
    • Jennifer NYC

      That is just plain wrong...they hate the US because we are a Judeo-Christian country. Bush's war in Iraq did not help. They aren't all Arabs, the Iranians are Persians....the people of Iran are brilliant, educated and talented. It's their theocratic rulers who are fanning the flames of war and need to go. They are behind the mischief all around the middle east. Let's all go kneel in front of the Arabs and beg them to like us??? Is that what you want to do?

      September 14, 2011 at 11:56 am |
    • Too educated to know better

      Israel or no Israel. Some Muslims have battled with all other religions for centuries. They have even battled amongst the branches of their own faith. What is lacking is education of the poor masses in Muslim countries. That is the true enemy.

      September 14, 2011 at 12:01 pm |
    • Dreamer96

      BeBe

      And their are Jewish arms dealers that will sell weapons to just about anybody for the right price.

      September 14, 2011 at 12:07 pm |
    • AJ

      I disagree. I think the Arab nations have seldom got along with "Western" civilization, dating back to around the end of WW1, when the Middle East was still unified under the Ottoman empire. Trace that history back, and see how well relations with the "West" ever were.

      September 14, 2011 at 12:07 pm |
  5. SCAtheist

    Obama is just being honest and fair.

    The ideologue Jews and rapturites can't handle that.

    September 14, 2011 at 11:48 am |
    • Blinded by the "Light"

      Obama is in no way honest or fair. He plays his cards close to the chest and keeps an ace or two hidden in his sleves.

      September 14, 2011 at 12:03 pm |
  6. Andrew

    Most Orthodox and Chasidic Jews are conservative and concentrated in the NYC area, while Reform Jews tend to be liberal democrats. Reform are dominant in numbers, I see no problem here, the Jews in NYC are far different from the majority of Jews residing in the rest of the USA.

    September 14, 2011 at 11:46 am |
    • cantilever

      Now that there's a politician from Israel going to the US Congress, where will they fly his very-upfront flag?

      September 14, 2011 at 11:49 am |
    • Blinded by the "Light"

      Yes, as long as Obama doesn't loose the rich New York and Hollywood Jews, he is in good shape.

      September 14, 2011 at 12:04 pm |
    • Blinded by the "Light"

      cantilever, Ever hear of a Guy named Rom Emanuel ?

      September 14, 2011 at 12:13 pm |
  7. Dreamer96

    In the lastest NY election some say it was about Obama's statements about Israel, and that Israel should offer land for peace, and this pushed the Jewish community away from the Dmocrates and into the arms of the Republicans...

    Well I don't think that using Jewish support was the right thing to do, that we can not say in public what has been said in closed rooms, face to face, by both parties for decades,,,Obama was just honest enough to say it to the public, to the world,,,

    I believe Obama supports Israel too, they are our best supporters and allie, in the mideast, but they also have spies all over the U.S. collecting information and technical state of the art information and send it back to Israel, and have sold that technology to China and other countries that the U.S. would not have dealt with..and this is nothing new, and now they want stealth fighter aircraft technology, unmanned drone support, anti-missle support.

    You know inside the Jewish commuting they argue about many of Israel's governmental decisions, and the people inside Israel have voiced support form some of these points of view too, but the Jewish community just hates it if a anyone outside the community does it, and really hates it if they say it publicly.

    I don't think the current Republicans will show any more real support for Israel then the Obama administration has, lip service yes of course, but not anymore real support behind the closed doors of Washington..

    September 14, 2011 at 11:45 am |
  8. DG

    Koch is lying – I remember very vividly that Koch supported McCain against Obama alleging the same Israel mantra of his. Koch should own up to the fact that he secretly works for the Republicans.

    September 14, 2011 at 11:41 am |
    • SCAtheist

      He's just proving that most of the NY Jewish community cares more about Israel than the country they live in.

      September 14, 2011 at 11:45 am |
    • Blinded by the "Light"

      SUpport for John McCain does not make him a liar.

      September 14, 2011 at 12:14 pm |
  9. chris

    the liberal media and the democrats can spin this any way they like. the bottom line is the democrats just lost a seat that has been democrat for decades. that has to sting. so the DNC can try but americans should know what really happened. Obama is not a friend of the U.S. or any of it's allies unless they are muslim supporters.

    September 14, 2011 at 11:40 am |
    • SCAtheist

      That's the stupidest thing I have read in a long time. Our president is not a friend of America?

      Come up with some substance and stop spamming us.

      September 14, 2011 at 11:43 am |
    • Al

      Have to agree. That is an ignorant comment. I guess Bush hated America also since he elected to spend, spend, spend ,adding $6.1B to our national debt.

      September 14, 2011 at 11:50 am |
    • Bebe

      Chris, what planet are you on? Our President of the United States, Barack Obama is not only a native-born citizen of this country, but I believe a great patriot (whose grandfather served in the Second World War and was with one of the groups that liberated a concentration camp). To believe that Obama, our President, is not a patriot, is more than ignorant, it is stupid and smacks of racism.

      September 14, 2011 at 11:57 am |
    • wrongfool

      This was a Dem. seat since 1923 !!!! What does that tell you about a referendum against obummer!!

      September 14, 2011 at 11:59 am |
    • russinmaine

      To those that do not understand that many of us feel this President cares little about this nation economic well being, the very condition of the country speaks volumes as to his love or lack thereof of this country. As a couple of examples that come to mind immediately I would offer his continued dogged determination to keep Boeing from Athiest, the very condition of the country speaks volumes as to his love or lack thereof of this country. As a couple of examples that come to mind immediately I would offer his continued dogged determination to keep Boeing from opening their new factory in South Carolina putting many fine Americans to work in good paying jobs Instead he has directed his hit man Holder to keep his boot on their neck for as long as possible! After all no union control means no kickbacks to his campaign coffers! Number two, he essentially took over GM also known as Owe-bama Motors to the point of exercising his power to fire the CEO. Yet here we are a year and a half after the tax payer picked up the tab for the gross mismanagement of this company which Owe-bama was and is heavily involved with getting an anouncement that they have opened a new state of the art plant in Thailand. And guess what? Not one poeep out of your boy wonder, it's OK to allow corporations we bail out to take massive amounts of investment money and jobs over seas but not OK for Boeing to simply open shop and put people back to work here! I find it most incredible that you and those like you swallow this whole charade and never bat an eyelash. Makes some of us question as to exactly what is wrong with you to either not see these things or even worse to see them and condone them!opening their new factory in South Carolina putting many fine Americans to work in good paying jobs Instead he has directed his hit man Holder to keep his boot on their neck for as long as possible! After all no union control means no kickbacks to his campaign coffers! Number two, he essentially took over GM also known as Owe-bama Motors to the point of exercising his power to fire the CEO. Yet here we are a year and a half after the tax payer picked up the tab for the gross mismanagement of this company which Owe-bama was and is heavily involved with getting an anouncement that they have opened a new state of the art plant in Thailand. And guess what? Not one poeep out of your boy wonder, it's OK to allow corporations we bail out to take massive amounts of investment money and jobs over seas but not OK for Boeing to simply open shop and put people back to work here! I find it most incredible that you and those like you swallow this whole charade and never bat an eyelash. Makes some of us question as to exactly what is wrong with you to either not see these things or even worse to see them and condone them!

      September 14, 2011 at 12:04 pm |
    • Blinded by the "Light"

      Bebe,
      having a grand father that served in WWII does not mean you are a patriot.

      September 14, 2011 at 12:07 pm |
    • Dreamer96

      russinmaine

      You really should not bring up Boeing so soon after 9-11, Boeing engineers could have made better doors for the cabin years ago and they did not, hyjacking planes is not something new,,,,and Boeing will not be putting the same quality of workers on the line in that non-union shop that are working now in Washington, and Boeing has a long history of stalling the FAA on repairs to aircraft that have problems right out of the factory or a few years down the road....And a right to work state is a oxymoron in the classic Republican sense of the word,,,it really gives all the power to control the factory to the owner....and Boeing does not want plants oversea, they have enough problems right now.

      September 14, 2011 at 12:22 pm |
    • AnAthiest

      The problem is that you cannot argue with the delusional religious zealots.

      September 14, 2011 at 12:35 pm |
  10. Tony 140

    DUH!!!!! The President either insults (twice) the Israeli Prime Minister, lectures them on the security of their state, trashes their history and coddles their sworn enemies. Jewish people are quite smart and in very tune with what's going on in the Middle East. Frankly I am amazed that it took this long for Jews to see the true colors of this Administration.

    September 14, 2011 at 11:35 am |
    • SCAtheist

      The Jews care only about the Jews. They use the teabagger AIPAC rapturites to get their way. Do you really think Jews believe in the rapture? Of course not, but Bibi meets with the airheads all the time. You are being manipulated.

      September 14, 2011 at 11:38 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Though they work on the Christians to divide and conquer, they've got the atheists all sewed up. Stroke, stroke, stroke that ego.

      Amen.

      September 14, 2011 at 11:43 am |
  11. GOP Hate America

    Glad to see the GOP and Jews care more about Isreal than about their own country

    September 14, 2011 at 11:35 am |
    • SCAtheist

      And not just care more about Israel. They support the continual slow motion ethnic cleansing of the West Bank.

      September 14, 2011 at 11:36 am |
    • chefdugan

      I know it will take some doing but try very hard to spell the word GLOBAL. Obama has turned the globe into a debating society while the world is in deep trouble. He couldn't lead a little old lady across the street let alone a country.

      September 14, 2011 at 11:52 am |
    • Blinded by the "Light"

      SC go pick up some more medicinal hooch.
      You have no clue what you are talking about. Do you know how many Muslims live and work alongside Jews in Israel ?
      The West bank just continues to be a location from where Muslim extremeists like to lob rockets into the heart of their city. Defending ones self is not ethnic cleansing.

      September 14, 2011 at 12:20 pm |
  12. Bubba

    I am not a big Obama fan, but the Tea Party/GOP candidates are downright scary. They want to force their religious extremism down everyone's throat and take from the poor, disabled, elderly and middle class and give to the rich. It's just plain stupid to think corporations will hire more people if they get a tax break. That's complete bs. Demand drives hiring, if there is no demand for a product the companies that make them will not hire more people no matter how much you cut their taxes. It will just make the rich richer.

    September 14, 2011 at 11:33 am |
    • AJ

      I know a good number of people who are very angry with Obama, and think he has done nothing better than a so-so job, but will still vote for him, mostly due to finding the other side far too extreme lately.

      If nothing else, 2012 will prove interesting.

      September 14, 2011 at 11:35 am |
    • ChrissyinFL

      Totally agree Bubba. They scare the hell out of me too!

      September 14, 2011 at 11:41 am |
    • Blinded by the "Light"

      Hey Bubba... BOO !

      September 14, 2011 at 12:22 pm |
  13. fred

    Still all about the Chosen Ones! Why do you think with all our natural gas and oil resources we tie our hands behind our back chaining ourselves to the Jews and Arabs? This is just one of the areas non believers are blinded. How quick we forget the 4,091 year squabble between Isaac (Jewish faith) and Ishmael (today Muslims). Read the Old Testament on how these two sons of Abraham were destined to battle their entire existence. God promised Abraham he would bless both family lines in numbers and wealth. Take off your 3D glasses and look at the reality of the wealth and influence concentrated in middle east due to oil. The garden of Eden, the cradle of civilization was located smack dab in the middle of that mess. Those plush gardens that turned into the darkness of oil over millions of years. The Jews after those years still hanging onto the temple land the promise as they too were blessed. Their power was in knowledge and finance. With that power they gathered great wealth to control the media and its puppet the United States. With that power they released a liberal influence from the media centers of New York and Hollywood.
    Both these people are blinded just as the religious Jews (no Muslims yet) who crucified Christ used religion to kill the innocent. Mohammed saw this valuable part of religion that can stir a people to do crazy and powerful things in the name of God. Mohammed took what he needed from the Torah and Christ in 650AD launching the Quran. The Quran not a message of peace but death for all with Jews and Christians the focus of their hate. On September 11, 2011 the family of Ishmael now converted Muslims hit the center of wealth and media of the Jews. The golden Twin Towers the horns of the Beast. For a brief period America looked to God and filled the churches. Ten years later Radical Islam is about to put the finishing touches on a nuclear bomb. Israel has over 80 Nukes. Pakistan now moving into Chinas camp both with nuclear weapons.
    In the very center where life began it will end for all. This is the spot where the Bible clearly shows life began and the trouble with man began. The Bible clearly lays out the root of our problems whether you believe in God or not. The end of man and the end of times is also clearly in this exact location. The method of final destruction a fire ball in the shape of a palm tree.
    So look at the focus on Israel and the promised land to understand why this election is hyped.

    September 14, 2011 at 11:32 am |
    • SCAtheist

      Go for energy independence and let THEM fight it out.

      September 14, 2011 at 11:33 am |
    • Nikki

      Fred...
      You took the words right out of my mouth! Too bad very few understand this logic.

      September 14, 2011 at 11:43 am |
    • chefdugan

      You lost every single ounce of credability when you started referring to that work of fiction, the bible. You can believe what you want but don't ever go to a battle of wits half-armed, which is what you just did. What a dunce!

      September 14, 2011 at 11:47 am |
    • HeavenSent

      As the atheists assume they are sitting things out, never knowing they are the first foot soldiers being played.

      Amen.

      September 14, 2011 at 11:51 am |
    • fred

      Chefdugan
      You can claim we did not land on the moon and it was all made up. No one can ever convince such a frozen mind of the truth that we landed on the moon. You would always find some shred of fabrication that makes sense to you.
      Fact the cradle of civilization was in this fertile crescent. If you doubt it do some research. Fact this large pool of oil is called a fossil fuel for a reason and is centered where the Bible places the garden of Eden. Fact we have been tied to Israel and that is why we were hit on 911. You need to go over the deep end to say we are not the puppet of Israel. If you honestly think Israel is not a key focus of US policy then you are far worse off than you know.
      Consider how blind you are to common known facts that surround you today. Is it a wonder you cannot even admit much of the history reflected in the Bible has been verified. You do not have to believe in God but get you head out of the sand. Oh, wait did the holocaust really happen.

      September 14, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
    • fred

      Chefdugon
      Just how blind are you that your denial of the Bible and Quran goes to the extent you cannot recognize their existence. I don't care what you believe or what % of the Bible atheists find to be fiction that changes nothing. Truth or fiction the focus is Bible vs. Quran. Even though the Quran has its roots in the same thread as the Bible these people have been dueling it out for generations.
      Chef, your recipe book of blind faith in what you cannot see or know is a newcomer to faith of man expressed over thousands of years. I understand the brainwashing you received in the public school system. Step out of the box and realize you may have a new recipe but you still must use all the same ingredients that have been around for centuries.

      September 14, 2011 at 12:28 pm |
    • fred

      SCAtheist
      Too late for energy independence. The US needs to decide if it will back Israel when they launch an attack against Iran. Worse yet what to do when Iran hits Israel with the nuke that will be complete next year. This is why the Jew finally voted against the liberal socialist front of the democrat party.
      Too late for energy independence. Nuclear fallout will be unknown in many respects. Israel and Iran have nukes that put the fat boy of WWII in the firecra-cker category. We will bring Russia, China and Pakistan into the final battle.
      Hopefully we have a translation error and the bible meant Arm a Gideon not Armageddon.

      September 14, 2011 at 12:49 pm |
    • Yeah

      "You would always find some shred of fabrication that makes sense to you."

      You should know fred because that is EXACTLY what you are doing. LMAO!

      September 14, 2011 at 1:36 pm |
    • fred

      Yeah
      You are somehow imune from bias? You must be a CNN reporter or part of the CBS 60 minute crew

      September 14, 2011 at 2:13 pm |
  14. ChrissyinFL

    Imagine a politically secular world. Hmm, isn't that what America was supposed to be trying to accomplish when our Forefathers set up this experiment? If only the country they imagined would have come to fruition. I

    nstead we constantanly have to contend with these faith vs. faith (or lack thereof) battles. Nobody ever "wins" or changes the mind of the other side. Only war and strife will persist. There will never be an end to it, as no heavenly bearded guy is going to show himself and announce his godliness to the world, nor will any scientific evidence ever be accepted as proof against the existence of a God by the believers of their own religious "Truth". Humanity is destined to forever be at odds over faith. How truly sad, and a huge waste of time, energy, money and lives.

    September 14, 2011 at 11:31 am |
    • ChrissyinFL

      sorry for the typos. :(

      September 14, 2011 at 11:33 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Not only the typos, for being the spiritually dead head that you are.

      Amen.

      September 14, 2011 at 11:53 am |
  15. al in memphis

    For once can we have an election without Democrats or Republican canidates. That would mean you would have to run on your knowledge of the issues and explain your rationale for how your proposed to fix things. Also, you would have to explain how government can work without special interest lobbyist.

    Anyone available. --

    September 14, 2011 at 11:29 am |
    • ChrissyinFL

      If only!!!!!!

      September 14, 2011 at 11:32 am |
    • Ryan

      Wouldn't that be a wonderful thing? Sadly the the RNC and DNC would never allow such a thing to happen. They've stolen the process from the people, and have set it up so only those with the means (read: candidates who become beholden to companies and organizations who have paid for their ability to campaign) can run for office.

      Isn't it a sad thing that most Americans don't trust the President, even fewer trust Congress, but at the end of the day the only people we get to choose from are more of the same. People we don't trust, people who "owe" thier office to those who funded their campaigns.

      Sadly my personal opinion is that we will need to undergo even more suffering in order to correct our current situation. The citizens need to contribute more (in taxes), and the government needs to provide less to it's people for that money. Of course this should only be a short term solution until our government can get it's house in order. Sadly I feel any candidate that gets up and tells people that our government screwed up, was living off of funds that just didn't exist, and unfortunately everyone will have to pay the price for this mistake would be commiting political suicide. Once the government cleans up its finances, they need to change the way they operate, no more spending on what they can't afford. They need to make sure the funding already is in place or at the least already available prior to agreeing on additional spending programs. Money that is collected for a certain purpose should be used solely for that purpose (no more using SSN collected money for anything but SSN payments).

      I'm still waiting for this "transparency" that was promised me, but all I've really seen has been more of the same back room deals and cross talk, playing shell games to explain how this will be paid for and how that will cover the costs for the next thing.

      These guys work for us! We are their bosses. At least that's how it was intended. We were warned by almost every framer of this government what would happened if the people left the government unchecked, but for generations we allowed it to anyway.

      September 14, 2011 at 12:03 pm |
  16. russinmaine

    OBAMA reminds me of the TURTLE setting on top of an old fence post...
    You know that he didn't get up there by himself, doesn't belong up there, doesn't know what to do while's he's up there, and you have to wonder what dumb A s s put him up there , and why?

    September 14, 2011 at 11:27 am |
    • HOBBITEA BAGGINS

      Ummmm......I believe that would be the Majority of all Americans!

      September 14, 2011 at 11:30 am |
    • SCAtheist

      All teanuts can do is call people names – they have no substance.

      September 14, 2011 at 11:32 am |
    • jackp_78

      SCAtheist - kind like you are doing yourself. Dems/libs/atheists are the worst when it comes to name calling and excluding groups who do not line up with what they believe in.

      September 14, 2011 at 11:58 am |
    • wayne

      SCAtheist.. and you just called the tea party, tea nutters. So do you include yourself in the scheme of things.... pot calling the kettle maybe. Which makes all the noise youre making pointless per your logic, no?

      September 14, 2011 at 12:28 pm |
  17. HOBBITEA BAGGINS

    HUH....That's interesting, maybe they should go with the Republicans, after all, they are the most accepting, understanding and tolerant people around, especially when it comes to other religions that don't accept Jesus as their savior!

    September 14, 2011 at 11:27 am |
    • russinmaine

      At least they recognize and have a religion?? Libs are the most intolerant raging bigots on the planet!

      September 14, 2011 at 11:30 am |
    • SCAtheist

      That isn't a good thing. It clouds their judgement with nonsense ideology.

      September 14, 2011 at 11:35 am |
    • HOBBITEA BAGGINS

      I am an atheist and I absolutely cherish your rights to believe as you wish but none of us are here to judges!

      September 14, 2011 at 11:37 am |
    • HOBBITEA BAGGINS

      be judges!

      September 14, 2011 at 11:38 am |
  18. russinmaine

    How interesting that on a day when the left is getting pounded CNN decides to close their comments sections on several articles, specifically the one that claims more Americans trust Obama on economics than the Republicans! Write an incendiary article and then not allow comments?? Freedom of speech must be lost here!

    September 14, 2011 at 11:22 am |
    • russinmaine

      AJ and TT If you would like to continue to convince yourselves that this election was lost based on the Jewish vote alone and the dismal failures of your party and your President had nothing to do with them then by all means help yourself to it! All I'm saying to you is come November 2012 you are going to realize that the Jewish vote is the very least of your problems! You are very simply in denial!

      September 14, 2011 at 11:34 am |
    • AJ

      News flash: It's my opinion that no matter who wins, the country is still screwed. Both parties are too inflexible. I am in for no surprise whatsoever, because I don't make assumptions. I have no clue who will win in 2012, and while I'll vote, as I said, America will remain trapped between two inflexible parties.

      How do you arrive at your conclusions based on me saying Weiners dismissal may have affected that election? It's not exactly a rally cry for a party.

      September 14, 2011 at 11:39 am |
    • rawr

      They are CNN – they have an agenda – what do you expect?

      September 14, 2011 at 11:43 am |
    • russinmaine

      AJ, I tend to believe that overall people do not blame their entire party and desert it based on something a superficial in the grand scheme of things as Weiners transgressions. The dissatisfaction goes much, much deeper into the very ideology and direction that those at the top of the party are taking the country. Tolerance you say, I tend to be more tolerant of peoples abilities to see and reason for themselves perhaps??

      September 14, 2011 at 11:46 am |
    • CNN Political Unit

      You liked that huh ?

      September 14, 2011 at 11:57 am |
    • AJ

      A fine opinion Russin. I simply cautioned that imagining this would play out similarly across the nation may be jumping the gun. But I can certainly be wrong. I took more offense to your assumptions that I somehow would be "surprised" at a GOP win in 2012, which I would not. This nation is as divided down the middle as any time in my lifetime, so I assume little, and avoid surprises. Even still, I'm not heartened, no matter who comes out on top. Inability for either party to work with the other at historic levels spells nothing but stagnation for the nation in my book. We'll see.

      September 14, 2011 at 12:02 pm |
  19. AJ

    I think this was one tiny little district, who just got burned by their previous Democratic rep, and went the other way. What I would not do, is project this community's special fill-in election as some sort of statement on mass migration of Jewish democrats across the country just yet.

    September 14, 2011 at 11:20 am |
    • russinmaine

      Instaed of run Forrest run it's spin AJ spin! Tell yourself that all the way to November 2012 and then stand by for a cold dose of reality!

      September 14, 2011 at 11:24 am |
    • AJ

      It's an opinion Russian. Nothing more. And your counter spin that has saved the nation billions, erased the need to even vote, and declared the results is some sort of factual account?

      At least my statement was innocuous statement of how I saw it. Not some agenda laden, politically divided remark. Haven't even decided which way I'll vote come 2012.

      None of that changes the fact that I still think Weiner's dismissal affected opinion in that district. How could it not?

      September 14, 2011 at 11:28 am |
    • TT

      I agree with AJ....can't begin to generalize Jewish votes based on one district. Most American Jews have more concerns beyond Israel and the Republicans haven't offered any real ideas to improve the economy either. Their sole motive at this time is to get rid of Obama....they don't care what else happens in the next 16 months.... If they could do something to fix the economy, it seems that would be more positive in their election effort....but bashing is more fun and much easier

      September 14, 2011 at 11:30 am |
  20. Charles

    Its simple. Obama is Muslim and Muslims HATE Jews. Simple math.

    September 14, 2011 at 11:20 am |
    • Sunshine

      It's good to see that New Yorkers are waking up to the fact that Obama is not good for the USA and that Schumer better shape up or he is the next to go

      September 14, 2011 at 11:27 am |
    • Marcia

      Do we live in the same country? What you said is ridulous Obama isn't a Muslim he is a Christian. How do you people believe these things!

      September 14, 2011 at 11:30 am |
    • bob

      Charles, Obama is Christian and what the hell makes you say he hates Jews?????

      September 14, 2011 at 11:31 am |
    • bob

      This is an ignorant and hateful comment and it saddens me there are people like you living in our country.

      September 14, 2011 at 11:32 am |
    • NOo..oON

      It's simple. Charles is an idiot. Idiots can't think straight. Simple math.

      September 14, 2011 at 11:33 am |
    • Really?

      It's simple. Charles and his fellow delusional uneducated simpletons hate Muslims. Simple math. They swarm and comment on random articles to post their hateful vitriol like flies when they smell a nice steaming pile of f e c e s.

      September 14, 2011 at 11:40 am |
    • Politeness

      Hmm, seems like the "swarm" is on the other foot here.
      I would say Obama is sympathetic to Muslims where he should be indifferent to any religion.
      But his second statement about Muslims hating Jews is very much logical. Muslim leaders all around the world (in the US as well) spout hate and cry out for the destruction of Israel.

      September 14, 2011 at 11:55 am |
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