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September 15th, 2011
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  1. @herbert the hate-bug

    Fractal geometry is a mathematical function. It is not proof of a god.

    You say you have a personal relationship with Jesus? Then prove it. Have Jesus talk to me. If you can do this, I'll post it here.

    September 17, 2011 at 7:43 pm |
    • @@

      This offer also goes out to every Christian who thinks they have a personal relationship with Jesus.

      Considering all the ways Jesus said he'd do stuff for you and give you powers, getting Jesus to chat should be easy.

      Put up or shut up.

      September 17, 2011 at 7:45 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      Iwill tell you flat out it has already been done.Jesus spoke to all mankind ,past ,present and future at Calvary.Seeing you can't see and hearing you can't hear.Not Gods problem,not my problem it is your own problem.God bless

      September 17, 2011 at 7:51 pm |
    • @@

      Looks like you'd better shut up then, if you can't put up any proof.

      It IS your problem, herbert. That post is for YOU.
      You're just squirmin' out of it because you know you can't do it. Your god is weak. He can't even speak. He doesn't even have the power to exist.
      That's a pretty lame-ass god you've got. I piiss on him, on Jesus, on you, and on your fake bullshiit.

      You're just a liar, a shiitty liar. You know you got nothin', so you dance away like a fairy and refuse to be honest.

      You ain't nothin' but a liar.

      You're a little kid who likes to lie and pretend he's hot shiit, but you show us all how stupid you are, instead.

      I piiss on you, herbert. A golden shower. You like it don't you?

      You smell like pee. Wonder why?

      September 17, 2011 at 8:55 pm |
    • Richard S Kaiser

      @herbert the hate-bug wrote on Saturday, September 17, 2011 at 7:43 pm, "Fractal geometry is a mathematical function. It is not proof of a god. You say you have a personal relationship with Jesus? Then prove it. Have Jesus talk to me. If you can do this, I'll post it here."

      'Fractal geometry" IS NOT "Fractal Cosmology" herbert. The cellular cosmologies of living celestial-based beings is where God's Kingdoms were and are and will forever be.

      1Cr 3:9 “For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building.”

      Luk 17:21 "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is inside/within you."

      So U C herbert and others, God awaits our coming back into His presence within the body's Godly Kingdom domain to be judged accordingly and then sent to but one heaven of immeasurable heavens within this earth's Heaven of heavens.Atheists will also be given their kingdom of heaven for Christ's paying the ultimate price for each and every soul regardless one's sins. We have all been spared from eternal damnation and even if one still wants to be nothingness He will give such to you and if one wants he.ll.'s fires, so be it.

      September 17, 2011 at 9:00 pm |
    • Chad

      Why dont you ask Jesus to talk to you yourself HTHB?

      Hang in there herbert juarez 🙂

      September 17, 2011 at 9:08 pm |
    • @@

      My whole life as a Christian, I never saw a bit of proof. Ever. From anyone at anytime. It didn't matter to me because I was insane and participating in a group psychosis. Now I am free. I'm not in your nasty little cult anymore.
      Sincerity is not proof that something is true.
      Dying for something does not make it true.
      We are not liable for what other people do if we were not involved in the first place.
      Emotional feedback is not proof that something is true.
      Emotions and feelings have no relation to the truth. They are caused by brain chemicals, not by anything supernatural.
      The Bible is a mishmash of different fables and extreme exaggerations and outright lies.
      Every so-called holy text in existence is made-up.
      I could go on, but why should I bother? When you are a participant in the group psychosis, you are a prisoner of the mind.
      What believer will listen to reason regarding their faith or what it's based on...when reason opposes religion?
      Many believers do not like to think about other religions in a way that might show the weaknesses in their own religion.
      They refuse to question the very causes of their religion. They think they already know it, yet they have never seen any proof of it themselves.
      I remember what it was like and how lobotomized I felt when deep in "faith."
      I can recreate my "faith" just by remembering how it felt.
      I KNOW that "faith" is a mental disconnect with perception and reality and awareness.
      It is a mental filter that strangles a person's ability to think realistically about almost everything.

      Religion has shown time and time again that it is nothing but group-psychosis that is also a giant hoax on the victims.
      Like any group-psychosis, most inside of it find companionship, comfort, and repeated reinforcement of the "tenets" and special propaganda and anything that can be used to explain any obvious hole in the shared-psychotic-belief.

      Hey, when I busted out of it, I made sure I was correct in every supposition. My faith was deep, but I clawed my way out and escaped the clutches of anyone who might use my religion against me by making sure I was being reasonable about it.
      Logic and common sense and science knowledge are tools for freedom from delusion. Any delusion.

      Proof is impossible because there is no "God", no "Jesus", no "Holy Spirit", no supernatural anything.
      There is no way I'd ever willingly pretend that a lie is true.

      That's why I'm an atheist. I'm more honest than you believers.

      September 17, 2011 at 11:33 pm |
    • Fred1

      Hey Herbie: As it happens I wasn’t at Calvary, neither was anyone I know. So if your god is all powerful and all loving he shouldn’t mind giving me a few minutes of conversation in order to save me and the other people who missed Calvary from hell.

      September 18, 2011 at 12:20 am |
    • Skep

      I think Richard, Chad, and herbert have lost again. Their armor of faith is nothing but wet toilet paper. Sad but true.

      September 18, 2011 at 1:01 am |
    • @@

      Maybe they just need another 2000 years to think up a really good whopper to tell, but I'm not going to wait around for some ignorant boo-b to make another delusional rant that can only be fully understood by the whacko saying it.
      ta ta!

      September 18, 2011 at 2:39 am |
    • herbert juarez

      Calvary is a spiritual place .All true believers have been to Calvary.it is not surprising that you have not "fred1".God bless

      September 18, 2011 at 7:14 am |
  2. Richard S Kaiser

    Dave Johnson,,, Your "brainyard" thinks only in the relativisms regarding the celestial plain which has length, width heigth depth and breadth. These are but celestial relativisms and the "atomic" plains of spatial relativities are politely more confounding yet they do still have laws. The "god-like" beings that live upon the atomic plains of cosmologic relatives live out a lifetime relavent to their time and not our time. A thousand years their time might equal but a second of our time. Within any celestial based life/form lays the framed works of cellular style universes wherein lays many supremely developed beings that not only did create celestial-based life but they live inside it and unknowable to us, they have the means and ways to manipulate their sub-atomic planetoids and galactic systems in many harmonious ways that seem to us to be but bio-molecular mechanisms which they in fact are but who is there running such mechanisms? Maybe Intelligent Beings beyond our comprehensions? Shall we call them Gods? Afterall, they have been manipulating matter for eons upon eons to create all manner of life as we know it. To say we are made up of machines is but a half-truth for there has to be Beings of one sort or another running these machines, right?

    1Cr 3:9 “For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building.”

    In my viewing your video, I am a bit bemused that the speaker spoke only in terminologies of cosmologic "celestial" relatives and did not make mention of Fractal Cosmologies. True he did rather smuggly make little mentioning of an infinite number of universes but he tried to emulate that these universes would be going away from our universe at ever increasing speeds. I find such a belief to be a tawdry comment unworthy of a fruitioned cosmologist who understands fractal cosmologies relevent to cellular cosmologies.

    September 17, 2011 at 5:51 pm |
    • John Richardson

      OK. Part of the puzzle is now solved. Richard apparently comes from a universe with four spatial dimensions. Things are beginning to make a bit more sense now. Not his prose, mind you. But, you know, things ....

      September 17, 2011 at 5:58 pm |
    • Richard S Kaiser

      Again, reposted due an error or 2,,,, 😦

      Richard S Kaiser
      Dave Johnson,,, Your "brainyard" thinks only in the relativisms regarding the celestial plain which has length, width heigth depth and breadth. These are but celestial relativisms and the "atomic" plains of spatial relativities are politely more confounding yet they do still have laws. The "god-like" beings that live upon the atomic plains of cosmologic relatives live out a lifetime relavent to their time and not our time. A thousand years their time might equal but a second of our time. Within any celestial based life/form lays the framed works of cellular style universes wherein lays many supremely developed beings that not only did create celestial-based life but they live inside it and unknowable to us, they have the means and ways to manipulate their sub-atomic planetoids and galactic systems in many harmonious ways that seem to us to be but bio-molecular mechanisms which they in fact are but who is there running such mechanisms? Maybe Intelligent Beings beyond our comprehensions? Shall we call them Gods? After all, they have been manipulating matter for eons upon eons to create all manner of life as we know it. To say we are made up of machines is but a half-truth for there has to be Beings of one sort or another running these machines, right?
      1Cr 3:9 “For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building.”
      In my viewing your video, I am a bit bemused that the speaker spoke only in terminologies of cosmologic "celestial" relatives and did not make mention of Fractal Cosmologies. True he did rather smugly make little mentioning of an infinite number of universes but he tried to emulate that these universes would be going away from our universe at ever increasing speeds. I find such a belief to be a tawdry comment unworthy of a fruitioned cosmologist who fails to understand fractal cosmologies relevant to cellular cosmologies.

      September 17, 2011 at 6:37 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Richard S Kaiser

      There is much that science does not know. But, I was amazed at what is already known. String theory, fractal or no, seems to be where most physicist / Cosmologists are headed, including Stephen Hawking, who sees no need for a god.

      As I said before, believers try to insert their god in every gap in knowledge. But , "God did it" has NEVER been true in the past. There is no reason to believe it will ever be true in the future.

      The one thing that we can all learn from this video, is that our universe is flat. A flat universe CAN generate something from nothing.

      Consider, that by looking for gaps or multiverses that justifies your belief, is to insult your god. Stand tall, dude! You believe in a god that is Omniscient, Omnibenevolent and Omnipotent. If He exists, nothing is beyond him.

      As I stated before, this almighty god could have created us to live in molten rock and thrive on sulfur fumes. A tapeworm believes god created humans for its benefit. It breaths in the fetid air in our intestines and thanks its god for the food it is about to receive.

      You seem like a good person.

      Cheers!

      September 18, 2011 at 9:40 pm |
  3. hero blue

    why do we fault a person for understanding science and not having a belief in a deity for which there is no proof? We need to create a world where evolution is not seen as a belief but as fact. Science will always trump religion in the long run so there is hope

    September 17, 2011 at 5:14 pm |
    • AGuest9

      Sadly, because people insist on believing in nonsense and scorning science.

      September 17, 2011 at 7:43 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      If God did not enlighten mankind there would be no science.It is God Himself who imparts knowledge to man.

      September 17, 2011 at 7:47 pm |
    • Green hernet

      "We need to create a world where evolution is not seen as a belief but as fact."

      Evolution was created but the world has spat it out. But it keep on sticking to God-allergic lungs of FEW individuals like a phlegm.

      September 17, 2011 at 7:51 pm |
    • Redneck louie

      so greenie hows many of yourn ancesters is apes

      September 17, 2011 at 7:53 pm |
    • AGuest9

      herbert, quit telling us stories.

      September 17, 2011 at 9:07 pm |
    • Chad

      Never quite understood the whole science or God "choice" that's supposed to exist.
      Science is how God did/does it. God established the laws we've discovered. How can they compete?

      September 17, 2011 at 9:13 pm |
    • Kenrick Benjamin

      What Proof are you looking for? Would you know the Proof if you see it? and Why would you think there is Know Proof?

      September 17, 2011 at 11:50 pm |
    • Magic

      Kenrick Benjamin:

      1) An all-knowing "God", as is purported, would know what would serve as sufficient proof for each and every one of us.

      2) An All-Powerful "God", as is purported, would be able to provide that proof.

      3) An All-Loving "God", as is purported, would do so ... not have its beloved beings be threatened with eternal torture for not following the correct trail of breadcrumbs.

      September 17, 2011 at 11:59 pm |
    • Fred1

      Hey Herbie: If god gave man science shouldn’t it have kicked in a long time ago?

      September 18, 2011 at 12:23 am |
    • herbert juarez

      @fred1
      it did ,check your history,knowledge has been given to man by God since creation.It (knowledge)is to be greatly increased in the "last" days.God bless

      September 18, 2011 at 7:06 am |
    • David Johnson

      @herbert juarez
      You said: "If God did not enlighten mankind there would be no science.It is God Himself who imparts knowledge to man."

      No.

      Man gained his knowledge, over time, through hard work. If god were responsible, why did he wait so long to give medical knowledge? Why doesn't He give a cure for AIDS or cancer?

      Why did God create all the horrid things that harm humans to begin with? All the germs and viruses and parasites...All part of god's creation. ?

      Look back through history. Man's knowledge was acquired over time. Man developed a vaccine for Smallpox. 300 to 500 million people died from Smallpox in the 20th century. If god gave man this knowledge, or allowed man this knowledge, why didn't He give it in time to save these people's lives?

      There is no evidence that god enlightens man on anything. Or do you have this evidence?

      Cheers!

      Cheers!

      September 18, 2011 at 10:01 pm |
  4. Sue

    chad,

    "transitional fossil" is not a scientific term, but if you must, here are just a few of the hundreds of transitionals now known:

    Proteroctopus
    Vampyronassa
    Pikaia
    Arandaspis
    Corydoras revelatus
    Nichollsia borealis
    Bohlinia
    Pezosiren portelli

    just to get started. I can easily continue and I was on a couple of the digs that found a few.

    Just looking at the last 2, a short-necked giraffe and a manatee-like creature with feet, really blows away whatever case you had, not that you really had one to begin with.

    Creationism and your sky daddy stories are on their way out, however painful you might find that. Show some courage and start to deal with the real world and real evidence.

    September 17, 2011 at 4:57 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Sue

      Ha! Ha! I laugh at your scientific evidence!

      Some of he fossils were placed by Satan, to fool humans, whose faith is not as strong as it should be.

      Some were placed by the baby Jesus Himself, to test man's faith.

      Oh, Sue! Some day you will stand before your creator! REPENT! All evidence that god did not create the universe and all life, is evil! It is false! Destroy as much of it as you can! God will bless you for it. Encourage other scientists to abandon reason!

      Whoever wants to be a Christian should tear the eyes out of his Reason. - Martin Luther

      Cheers my daughter!

      September 18, 2011 at 10:13 pm |
  5. To Sir Branson

    Guess it is admirable that you are a very successful business man, and I am sure you it was not handed out to you on a silver platter.

    I had one question, given that you worked so hard and sought after opportunities to grow in business, why is it that you would prefer someone to convince you about God.?

    I would think for someone with your kind of DNA you sought after things and made it happen for you. On the same note where it concerns your faith why not seek the truth instead of waiting for the truth to seek you?

    September 17, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
    • John Richardson

      I think it's more reasonable to assume that he did and does seek the truth and long ago figured out that you aren't going to find it in a pile of ancient literature written by prescientific people, but is simply too polite to be openly derisive and is simply allowing the possibility that maybe some day someone will actually come up with a good argument for believing in some sort of god. Not likely, but possible.

      September 17, 2011 at 5:18 pm |
  6. OnLooker

    One can be a believer and yet still believe in evolution. Biblical literalism is intellectual suicide.

    September 17, 2011 at 3:42 pm |
    • Fred1

      If it's not literal then how do we know which interpetation is correct?

      September 18, 2011 at 12:26 am |
  7. Pesky problem

    The Piltdown Bird!!!!!!

    September 17, 2011 at 2:53 pm |
    • Faux

      Get away from me, your fraudulent creature.

      September 17, 2011 at 3:01 pm |
    • JohnR

      Archaeoraptor was an illegally imported fraud whose fraudulent status was discovered and revealed by paleontologists. The private fossil trade complicates the business of paleontology in many ways, up to and including fraud.

      Some creationist meatheads think this episode discredits evolution. Oh well.

      September 17, 2011 at 3:30 pm |
    • AGuest9

      As much as I agree with you , JohnR, these people are impacting education in this country with their witchcraft and hokie beliefs. Their screwy ideas create a problem for me when they are affecting my children as well as our standing in the world. They are destroying our economy and not even realizing it.

      September 17, 2011 at 8:02 pm |
    • John Richardson

      @AGuest9 Yes, they are an anchor holding back our progress.

      September 17, 2011 at 8:12 pm |
    • captain america

      The greatest problem America is facing right now is trying to maintain a country while it is being undermined by "atheist" theory and practice.America, one nation under God.

      September 17, 2011 at 8:20 pm |
    • faux

      Hey Pesky-

      Hmm the choice in between a honest belief Vs. a fraudulent bird, hmm wonder what a rational being would choose. I choose honesty.

      What say you fossil believer? -fraudulent bird!!! hands down!! how else can I support my claim for Godlessness?

      September 17, 2011 at 10:53 pm |
    • AGuest9

      @captain america, maybe the time is coming for all of the literate, scientific-minded to leave. Then, we'll see this country, left with only its redneck "believers", fall right into the dustbin of history, like Greece. Get ready to live like the Amish, because all that will be left will be candles and horses and buggies.

      September 18, 2011 at 11:20 am |
  8. Ida & Steve

    I am on FB, friend me!!!!

    September 17, 2011 at 2:47 pm |
    • Miss Link?

      Go away Ida..you are extinct and did not evolve. Sorry, but good try though!

      September 17, 2011 at 2:49 pm |
    • Au. Sediba

      How 'bout me? I grin like an Ape, awaiting thine acceptance O intellingent one!

      September 17, 2011 at 2:55 pm |
    • Miss Link?

      The problem with you Au. Sediba is that with each new hominid fossil, it is becomes harder and harder to figure out which lines to draw for human ancestry.

      September 17, 2011 at 2:59 pm |
    • Factoid

      The most glaring problem with the belief that all life arose from a common ancestor is the lack of fossil evidence of the millions of transitional forms that should be evident if evolution had happened

      Translation for a sceptic mortal called the 'Missing Link'

      September 17, 2011 at 3:21 pm |
    • John Richardson

      From the wikipedia article on Australopithecus sediba: "Because of the wide range of mosaic features exhibited in both cranial and post cranial morphology, the authors suggest that A. sediba may be a transitional species between the southern African A. africanus (the Taung Child, Mrs. Ples) and either Ho-mo habilis or even the later H. erectus"

      Yep, all these evolution-affirming transitional forms that keep popping up keep complicating the hominid ancestral tree!

      Reminds me of something someone wrote on the talk.origins newsgroup way back when I used to frequent it. Basically, the guy noted that if you set up a lineage of A -> B -> C -> D in which there are significant differences between any two adjacent forms, creationists will object until you have the transitional forms A', A", B', B", etc etc. But once you DO, they will object that no truly NEW forms ever arose, and this is all just a bunch of "microevolution" within a kind.

      And the problem of course is that creationists and IDers are not themselves involved in theory construction or explanations of anything, but are engaged in mere polemics under the banner "anything but evolution!" And that's the rub, they will indeed say just about ANYTHING to avoid saying that evolution is fundamentally correct and we evolved from animals.

      September 17, 2011 at 5:47 pm |
    • AGuest9

      The "missing link"? Where did you dig that up, the Scopes Monkey Trial? I swear some of you people are still living in the 1920s.

      September 17, 2011 at 8:05 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Factoid
      You said: "The most glaring problem with the belief that all life arose from a common ancestor is the lack of fossil evidence of the millions of transitional forms that should be evident if evolution had happened"

      Dude! If a deity created all life, in their present form, there should not even be one transitional fossil. Check out the horse.

      The Christian god is said to be all knowing, all loving, and all powerful. Am I to believe this perfect deity, had to create organisms until He got it right?

      If the Christian god is the creator of all the organism on this planet, then He must have created all the parasites and pathogens that cause so much suffering to humans and animals. Why would an all loving, all just god spend his time creating these?

      Evolution explains the mosquito and the butterfly. Evolution has no ax to grind. No sin to punish for.

      Cheers!

      September 18, 2011 at 10:37 pm |
  9. David Johnson

    When I was about 17 or so, I became convinced evolution explained the diversity of organisms on the planet. One of the biggest reason for this, was all the transitional fossils that exist.

    If a god created each organism once, in their present form... there would be no transitional fossils. Would a perfect god need to keep creating organisms until He got it right? Not my god!

    Cheers!

    September 17, 2011 at 1:56 pm |
    • Richard S Kaiser

      If you David knew anything about "Fractal Cosmology" and its' potential to harmonize scientific propoganda with religious precepts, then Oh Dave J. you would have something worthy of praising, but since you have failed to postulate upon Fractal Cosmology and its' perceptions regarding religious transparencies, what good is your perpetualized dogma of yet marginalized and semi-rationalized stereotypical miming worthy of?

      September 17, 2011 at 2:11 pm |
    • Richard S Kaiser

      Here's clue #1 Dave Johnson

      1. Jhn 18:36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."

      September 17, 2011 at 2:25 pm |
    • Richard S Kaiser

      Here's clue #2,,,,,,,,,,,

      2. 1Cr 3:9 “For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building.”

      September 17, 2011 at 2:27 pm |
    • Richard S Kaiser

      And now clue #3,,,,,,

      3. Luk 17:21 "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is inside/within you."

      Now then Dave Johnson, refer to Fractal Cosmology and just how such a "scientific speculation" can meld with religious transparencies as so stated then and only then will you be found praise worthy. Until then, you are still held in the mists of bogotrous resounding much the same way theologies are "practiced" in past and yet presently done. Both branches are flawed IMHO.

      September 17, 2011 at 2:33 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Richard S Kaiser

      You said: "explain your stance regarding "Fractal Cosmology:."

      Never claimed to be Mr. Wizard. My degree isn't in Cosmology or even biology. But, I read a bit.

      I know there are a lot of cosmological theories that propose fractal properties.
      There is also string theory, and fractal strings.

      The thing is, god does not appear to be needed in any of the theories. So far no cosmologist that I am aware of, have proposed a theory and said: "This only works, if a supernatural being exists". LOL

      Believers always try to paste god into any theory. Just lately many Evangelicals have embraced an old earth, because of overwhelming evidence. They have even interpreted Geneisis, to allow for this belief. The claim is that the bible was being incorrectly interpreted before. Each of the 6 days, could have been millions if not billions of years.

      You error badly, in that you don't believe in your own god's attributes. If the Christian god is all powerful, then anything is possible. He could have created us to live in molten rock and breath sulfur fumes.... and love it. If a god, who is all powerful, wanted a universe to exist...then He could speak it into existence. He could make heavenly bodies stand still or bob up and down like a yo yo. Or, He could not exist at all.

      Watch this. It is fantastic:
      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo&w=640&h=360]

      Cheers!

      September 17, 2011 at 2:41 pm |
    • John Richardson

      Yes, David, it is truly remarkable how life comes in increasingly more inclusive groupings of "nested similarities", just as evolutionary theory and NO other basic theory of speciation predicts it would.

      September 17, 2011 at 5:15 pm |
  10. Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

    Those who think evolution didn't or doesn't occur are prime examples that they just might be right. They obviously haven't evolved themselves. Idiots.

    September 17, 2011 at 1:43 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      Theist = De-evolution....lol

      September 17, 2011 at 1:46 pm |
  11. David Johnson

    My Christian brothers! Uncle Dave has a thought for you:

    Why does anything happen?
    If we say that a god did it, there is no reason or opportunity to learn how the world really works. If we declare it to be an act of god, we are through. We have our answer. No point in looking farther.

    If we had stayed with a god as the cause of all events, our modern culture would have been impossible. We would have no real science, engineering, or medicine. We would still be living in the Dark Ages. Huddling in our filthy beds, scared of supernatural beasties. That creepy old woman looks like a witch! Well you know what god said about allowing witches to live...

    Early man was afraid of death and knew nothing of the world around him. The god(s) were created to give comfort and to explain all the complex happenings of our planet. Why does it rain? God opens the windows of heaven. Why does the sun race across the sky? God(s) drive the sun across the sky.

    "God did it" was the answer for most everything. God, eked out a good living, living in the gaps of man's knowledge.

    Fortunately man progressed. The true whys, are one by one being solved. None have been found to be supernatural. There are fewer and fewer gaps, for god to hide in.

    The explanation "God did it" has always been wrong. For believers, this has been a lot like "Where's Waldo?". God has not been found to be responsible for anything.

    We can't simply explain something mysterious by appealing to something more mysterious for which there is even less evidence. “God did it” is not an explanation. It tells no more than saying, “Santa did it.”

    God has no place in any scientific equations, plays no role in any scientific explanations, cannot be used to predict any events, does not describe anything or force that has yet been detected, and there are no models of the universe in which a god's presence is either required, productive, or useful.

    No eye of god has been found to be staring back at us from telescopes. Sorry. Where's Jesus...I mean Waldo ? LOL

    God does not exist, as far as science can tell. This isn't absolute. It does not deny for all time any possible existence of god. But this is true of Santa and the fairies living in my left shoe. It means that as of now, god and Santa and my fairies are put in the myth column.

    Time to give god a gold watch and wish Him well. Adios Amigo! Say hey to Zeus and Ra and Isis and all the other gods that retired before you. Bye! Don't let that cosmic door hit you in the...

    Cheers!

    September 17, 2011 at 1:39 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      Correct on all counts. Well done my rational friend.

      September 17, 2011 at 1:45 pm |
    • Richard S Kaiser

      @ David Johnson,,, If you Dave are so up on scientific data, please explain your stance regarding "Fractal Cosmology:.

      September 17, 2011 at 2:00 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Richard S Kaiser

      You god is unlikely to exist. Here is why. Refute it please.

      Christians claim their god is Omnipotent ( all powerful), Omniscient (all knowing) and Omnibenevolent (all good).

      1). If god is Omnibenevolent, He would WANT every human to believe in Him.
      The bible says He does:

      2 Peter 3:9
      9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. King James Version (KJV)

      1 Timothy 2:4
      4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. King James Version (KJV)

      2.) If god is Omniscient, then He would KNOW exactly how to convince anyone and everyone that He exists.

      3.) If god is Omnipotent, then He would be ABLE to convince anybody and everybody that He exists.

      Yet, ~ 67% of the world's population are not Christians.

      Therefore, the Christian god is very unlikely to exist.

      Cheers!

      September 17, 2011 at 2:47 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      the key to understanding david johnson
      1.start with a lie
      2.toss out a couple theories or additional lies self declared as facts
      3.big drum roll conclusion that is not related to or supported by the rest of the post
      4.kiss his own butt and expect everyone else to do likewise
      God bless

      September 17, 2011 at 3:35 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @Ugh! how will you get the johnson butt taste out of your mouth?Good luck with that.God bless

      September 17, 2011 at 3:38 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      Previous post was directed at atheist steve.God bless

      September 17, 2011 at 3:39 pm |
    • Sid

      Spineless coward herbie doesn't have a case to make, so he just keeps calling people liars. Go, herbie. Go away, that is.

      September 17, 2011 at 5:03 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @herbert juarez
      You said: "the key to understanding david johnson
      1.start with a lie
      2.toss out a couple theories or additional lies self declared as facts
      3.big drum roll conclusion that is not related to or supported by the rest of the post
      4.kiss his own butt and expect everyone else to do likewise
      God bless"

      You said that the last 2 times. It hasn't improved with age. You are always calling people liars. You are back to using ad hominem attacks, instead of debating. I have not attacked you, but I could. I'm good at it.

      There are about 38,000 different denominations of Christianity. All derived from having read and interpreted the bible. The Christian bible is ambiguous. – World Christian Encyclopedia (2001)

      So, this is not a lie.

      You post:
      herbert juarez
      @david johnson
      As usual your entire foundation is flawed.Granted there are many denominations,that in no way diminishes the true Kingdom of God or the absolute truth of His word. The authentic church is found in the hearts of true believers.From the beginning the truth has been under attack by the lie,and in this dispensation the wheat(that is the true church)and the chaff(the counterfeit church)are left until the final harvest.God has kept for Himself a remnant of true believers salted across Christendom.The authentic believer knows the truth and has been set free. God bless

      September 10, 2011 at 3:02 pm | Report abuse |"

      So, no lies exist, in my statements.

      You say you have already answered? No.

      Again I ask: Why is there 38,000 different denominations of Christianity. Many with contradictory beliefs?

      I believe you said, that the "other" Christians were counterfeit. Which brings us to my other question:

      What proof can you offer that they are wrong and you are right?

      Why won't you answer this? Why are you better than the other believers? Why are you special? Can you prove this?

      If not, then you should be silent.

      Cheers!

      September 17, 2011 at 5:13 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @david johnson
      You post the response then say there is no answer?Yes david johnson you are a liar,and more so a proven liar, you just ignore the facts and continue to post repeated nonsense.As it is, I stand by my assessment of your bogus arguments.You remain a consistent liar,that is not my fault ,you're on your own with that.God bless.

      September 17, 2011 at 7:44 pm |
    • AGuest9

      Gee, herbert juarez, that takes guts after seeing the lies and nonsense you post, repeatedly.

      September 17, 2011 at 8:10 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @guest9
      Odd that no one has yet proven a lie on my post.Whereas I expose lies on atheist posts all the time.I take no credit in exposing atheist lies because it is so easy.in order to be a self ordained atheist you first have to be a liar,and most are stupid enough to think they know the Bible.If you don't know God you don't know the Bible.The only thing that keeps me from exposing all the lies atheists spew is lack of time, but hey there are millions of other followers of God who have the ability to put an atheist minority in their place.God bless

      September 17, 2011 at 8:42 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      Herbert..Tell us about Noahs Ark...if your god was so brilliant why did he need old Noah in the first place could he just have transported them of to a side planet in the cosmos rather than have noah and his 7 people try to feed, clean and nurturer about 630,000 critters. Where did the poop go..how long each day would it take to feed these animals with 8 people? then clean them..and how much water does it take to cover mount Everest?

      September 17, 2011 at 9:13 pm |
    • Chad

      @David Johnson "If we had stayed with a god as the cause of all events, our modern culture would have been impossible. We would have no real science, engineering, or medicine."

      Trying to say that anyone who believes in God is anti-science is just nonsense. Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo , Descartes, Newton, Boyle, Faraday, GREGOR MENDEL, Planck.

      Lots of Christians are threatened by science, now and historically. But your blanket statement is ridiculous.

      September 17, 2011 at 9:24 pm |
    • Sue

      Chad, it's sad that people as ignorant and stupid as you are a large chunk of our population.

      The scientists that you mention were mainly from a time in which they would be persecuted if they did not toe the religious line.
      See here http://evolution.mbdojo.com/conflict.html

      Take your sick religion and shove it. You are merely an anachronism, and the time of your religious delusion is quickly passing.

      September 17, 2011 at 9:37 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Chad

      You are listing some of the exceptions. The reason science progressed in spite of religion. Galileo was arrested for disagreeing with the the Church. Giordano Bruno was burned after having his tongue cut out. He did not recant his beliefs about the cosmos.

      These men go to show you to what extent humans will go, in search of the truth.

      Think about it. Science has always been impeded by religion. Science has always won out in the end. Truth cannot be hidden for long.

      God is being chased from the universe. LOL

      Cheers!

      Cheers!

      September 17, 2011 at 9:57 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Herbie, you are so stupid it's doubtful you're anything but a troll who is actually not a believer at all and posts idiocy to make all believers look as ridiculous as possible.

      Well done, boobtard!

      September 17, 2011 at 10:09 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @tom tom tom tom
      Your view from the inside of your colon is extremely limited ,but as long as your head is so far up there check for polyps,it might save your life.God bless

      September 18, 2011 at 7:22 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Lame response, as usual, herbaspastic. You and those like you are among the reasons I eschew your brand of Christianity. You're a pea-brain who's full of hate for anyone who doesn't believe in your god.

      Congratulations on screwing your own church.

      September 18, 2011 at 1:45 pm |
  12. Nick Palun

    Branson surprised me with his ignorance, evidently being rich and successful is divorced from natural intelligence and logic. Even the Pope endorsed evolution. The beginnings, evolution of the universe and its expansiveness are in the overview, evolution being an effect. Pick up Thomas Aquinas or Commentary on Aquinas that gives logic of the natural law apart from theology. You'll understand even Thomas Hocking does't understand he is part of God's plan for his life: he would be a nobody scientist if God had not forced his condition to the academic heights he is experiencing. Even Einstein said: somebody must be running this whole show!

    September 17, 2011 at 1:34 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Actually, the Einstein thing is wrong. A lot of christians use that argument, but it's simply fiction. Einstein used "god" as a metaphor. If anything, he was agnostic, with an atheistic bent.

      September 17, 2011 at 1:38 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      Thomas Hocking? Google says this guy is a carpenter...is he a relative of jesus?
      Did you perhaps mean Stephen Hawking? You know the wheelchair guy whose underwear is more intelligent than you.

      September 17, 2011 at 1:38 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Nick Palun

      The Christian god is very unlikely to exist. *smile*

      And tallulah13 is correct. Einstein was not a believer. He was intelligent.

      Cheers!

      Cheers!

      September 17, 2011 at 1:46 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @AtheistSteve

      Good catch. I didn't see that.

      Cheers!

      September 17, 2011 at 2:11 pm |
    • JohnR

      Yeah. Thomas Hocking. Sure. This guy is really up to the minute on the issues, eh?

      September 17, 2011 at 2:49 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @tallulah13
      How well did you know Einstein?

      September 17, 2011 at 4:05 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Probably better than Nick, herbie. The key to understanding history is looking at the sources. The best source is always the words of the person you are studying. If that is not available, or if you've already covered that, the next best thing is to look at what the people who knew him best had to say.

      Einstein used god a metaphor. Christians ignored the metaphor and the context and proceeded to lie about the Einstein's beliefs. The best distillation of Einstein's beliefs based on what is known about him is simply that he was agnostic with an atheist bent.

      September 17, 2011 at 8:01 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @tallulah 13
      Lets cut to the chase here.You never met Einstein.You never knew Einstein, and you really cannot say for sure what he did or did not believe.It is all speculation.God bless

      September 17, 2011 at 8:11 pm |
    • tallulah13

      So what you are saying herbie, is that because you've never met Jesus, you don't really know that he said what was in the bible, which is, after all, a second hand source, written long after his death. So as far as you know, Jesus, if he even existed, could have been a total scam artist or just a normal guy who talked a good game.

      At least we know Einstein existed, at least we have recordings and footage of him speaking, we have his words and his studies and we have interviews with people who actually knew him. Certainly blows what you know about Jesus out of the water.

      September 17, 2011 at 8:18 pm |
    • Chad

      In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views." – Albert Einstein

      September 17, 2011 at 9:38 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @tallulah13
      The fly in the buttermilk on your position is that I have met Jesus.Other than film footage we have all the same evidences for Jesus that you listed for Einstein.God bless

      September 17, 2011 at 9:45 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @herbert juarez

      You said to tallulah13: "The fly in the buttermilk on your position is that I have met Jesus.Other than film footage we have all the same evidences for Jesus that you listed for Einstein."

      That isn't true. Why don't you answer my argument instead of attacking me. I'm starting to think you are not able to do so.

      There were no eyewitness accounts of Jesus. The Gospels were written by god knows who in the third person. The Gospels were written with an agenda i.e., Jesus was the Messiah and Son of God.

      We know virtually nothing about the persons who wrote the gospels we call Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
      -Elaine Pagels, Professor of Religion at Princeton University, (The Gnostic Gospels)

      The bottom line is we really don't know for sure who wrote the Gospels.
      -Jerome Neyrey, of the Weston School of Theology, Cambridge, Mass. in "The Four Gospels," (U.S. News & World Report, Dec. 10, 1990)

      Jesus is a mythical figure in the tradition of pagan mythology and almost nothing in all of ancient literature would lead one to believe otherwise. Anyone wanting to believe Jesus lived and walked as a real live human being must do so despite the evidence, not because of it.
      -C. Dennis McKinsey, Bible critic (The Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy)

      There are no known secular writings about Jesus, that aren't forgeries, later insertions, or hearsay. NONE!

      Most of the supposed authors lived AFTER Jesus was dead. Can you say hearsay?

      Philo of Alexandria (20 BC – 50 AD) a contemporary Jewish historian, never wrote a word about Jesus. This is odd, since Philo wrote broadly on the politics and theologies around the Mediterranean.

      Lucius Annaeus Seneca (ca. 4 BCE – 65 CE) A.K.A. Seneca the Younger. A contemporary of Jesus wrote extensively on many subjects and people. But he didn't write a word about a Jesus.

      Gaius Plinius Secundus (23 AD – August 25, 79 AD), better known as Pliny the Elder, was a Roman author, naturalist, and natural philosopher. Plinius wrote "Naturalis Historia", an encyclopedia into which he collected much of the knowledge of his time. There is no mention of a Jesus.

      The area in and surrounding Jerusalem served, in fact, as the center of education and record keeping for the Jewish people. The Romans, of course, also kept many records. Moreover, the gospels mention scribes many times, not only as followers of Jesus but the scribes connected with the high priests. And nothing about the Jesus. Nada! Not even something chiseled on a wall or carved into a tree like: "Jesus Loves Mary Magdalene".

      We don't even have a wooden shelf that Jesus might have built. Or anything written by Jesus. God incarnate, and we don't even have a Mother's day card signed by Him.

      The Dead Sea Scrolls did not mention Jesus or have any New Testament scripture.

      Jesus, if he existed, was not considered important enough to write about by any contemporary person. The myth hadn't had a chance to flourish.

      Paul's writings were the first, about Jesus. But, Paul's writing was done 25 to 30 years after Jesus was dead. In a primitive, ultra-supersti_tious society, 25 years is a lot of time for a myth to grow. Twenty-five years was most of the average person's lifespan in the 1st Century.

      Some people feel that Paul, not Jesus, is the real father of what most Christians believe today (Pauline Christianity).
      Paul never actually met Jesus. His knowledge and faith was the result of hearsay and an epileptic "vision".

      Questions on the Crucifixion story:

      "Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save." Mark 15:31

      "Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe..." Mark 15:32

      It would appear, that the chief priests are admitting that Jesus "saved" others. If they knew this, then there is no reason for them to demand that Jesus descend from the cross, in order for them to believe. They already admitted to knowing of Jesus' "miracles".

      This is just an embellishment by Mark. A work of fiction possibly constructed to make it appear that some Old Testament "prediction" was fulfilled. Like:

      "I offered my back to those who beat me, my cheeks to those who pulled out my beard; I did not hide my face from mocking and spitting." – Isaiah 50:6

      Here is another:

      1 Corinthian 15:14-17 – Paul says Christianity lives or dies on the Resurrection.

      1 Corinthians 15:4 "4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures"

      Matthew 12:40 – Jesus said, that he would be buried three days and three nights as Jonah was in the whale three days and three nights.

      Friday afternoon to early Sunday morning is only 2 days at the most. Or, if you count Friday and Sunday as entire days, then you could get 3 days and 2 nights. This is a gimme though. The Mary's went to the grave at sunrise and it was empty.

      Obviously, the believers spin this like a pinwheel. I have seen explanations like: Jesus was actually crucified on Wednesday or maybe Thursday; The prophesy actually means 12 hour days, and not 24 hour days; The partial days are counted as full days. This one is true, but still doesn't add up.

      At any rate, the crucifixion day and number of days and nights Jesus spent in the grave, is disputed.
      It looks very much like, that Jesus was not in the grave for 3 days and 3 nights.

      The prophecy was not fulfilled.

      And what of this?:

      Jesus had healed a woman on the Sabbath:

      Luke 13 31:33 KJV
      31The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee.

      32And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.

      33Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

      Note that Jesus is saying, it is impossible for a prophet (Himself) to be killed outside of Jerusalem.

      Yet, Jesus WAS killed outside Jerusalem.

      Calvary or Golgotha was the site, outside of ancient Jerusalem’s early first century walls, at which the crucifixion of Jesus is said to have occurred. OOoopsie!

      And there is this:

      According to Luke 23:44-45, there occurred "about the sixth hour, and there was darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour, and the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst."

      Yet not a single secular mention of a three hour ecliptic event got recorded. 'Cause it didn't happen!

      Mathew 27 51:53
      51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people.
      How come nobody wrote about zombies running through the cities? 'Cause it is all b.s.

      An interesting note:

      "The same phenomena and portents of the sudden darkness at the sixth hour, a strong earthquake, rent stones, a temple entrance broken in two, and the rising of the dead have been reported by multiple ancient writers for the death of Julius Caesar on March 15, 44 BC." – Sources Wikipedia (John T. Ramsey & A. Lewis Licht, The Comet of 44 B.C. and Caesar's Funeral Games, Atlanta 1997, p. 99–107

      Hmmm...
      If you can't even believe the crucifixion story how likely is the resurrection account to be true? In a book that is a mix of fiction and "fact", how do you know which is which? Especially, since all of the bible seems very unlikely and does not fit with the reality we see around us.?

      If Jesus was the Messiah and the Son of God, who died for man's redemption, then this would be the most important event in the history of man.

      Having gone to the trouble of impregnating a human and being born god incarnate and dying for mankind's sins, why wouldn't god have ensured there was tons of evidence that this was true? Multiple Writings by contemporary eyewitnesses – Jews and Romans and Greeks.

      You are going to want to say that there IS lots of evidence, but look at reality: There are way more people, in the world, who are not Christians (67%) than who are (33%). Obviously, the evidence is not adequate to convince even a majority of the world's people.

      Cheers!

      September 17, 2011 at 10:21 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Tell me where you met Jesus, herbie. Do you have pictures? Did you get his autograph? Where is your proof? I don't know why it hasn't been in the news already. This would be pretty important, don't you think, herbie. The networks would be all over it.

      September 17, 2011 at 10:37 pm |
    • Chad

      @David Johnson: NO serious scholar questions the fact that a man named Jesus was crucified, that's just a fact. The question is as to his divinity.

      From Wikipedia: "Most critical historians agree that Jesus was a Jew who was regarded as a teacher and healer, that he was baptized by John the Baptist, and was crucified in Jerusalem on the orders of the Roman Prefect of Judaea, Pontius Pilate, on the charge of sedition against the Roman Empire"

      September 17, 2011 at 10:56 pm |
    • Magic

      Chad:

      1) The Wikipedia article says, "MOST critical historians agree...", not ALL.

      2) What will the Wikipedia article say tomorrow, or next week, or next year, when someone else gets their hand in on the editing? You do know how Wikipedia entries are compiled, don't you?

      "Wikipedia is written collaboratively by largely anonymous Internet volunteers who write without pay. Anyone with Internet access can write and make changes to Wikipedia articles (except in certain cases where editing is restricted to prevent disruption or vandalism). Users can contribute anonymously, under a pseudonym, or with their real ident.ity, if they choose." –h ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:About

      September 17, 2011 at 11:06 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Chad, wikipedia is a great jumping off point, but I sure wouldn't bet the house on the veracity of it.

      September 17, 2011 at 11:11 pm |
  13. so long

    what is the amount of time it would take to 1) create a new gene, 2) make the gene useful for the organism 3) spread the gene throughout the species, and 4) put together enough of these genes in the proper sequence to change from one species to another by the process of natural selection?

    September 17, 2011 at 1:08 pm |
    • what

      @so long,

      moron, r u telling me that life existed for billions of years and it took just the past several thousands of years for "intelligence to walk around"???

      September 17, 2011 at 1:11 pm |
    • i believe i can fly

      calm down guys , I am going to tell you the truth...

      It all lies in the code word

      "Piltdown Bird'

      September 17, 2011 at 1:16 pm |
    • JohnR

      Google population genetics. Even minimally beneficial genes can spread very quickly.

      September 17, 2011 at 2:54 pm |
    • John Richardson

      Oh, and there a re lot of silly misconceptions in the way you asked the first two questions that I am politely ignoring.

      September 17, 2011 at 5:08 pm |
    • AGuest9

      A dominant gene? ONE generation. In microbes and insects, that is a VERY short period of time (hours, days, weeks). In small mammals such as rodents, a few months or so.

      September 17, 2011 at 8:23 pm |
    • what

      @so long

      moron, what say you, it takes billion of years? why is the intelligent of all species been walking on this planet this past few thousands of years. DId it really take billions of years to produce you? and you show up during the last few thousand years only?

      September 17, 2011 at 10:48 pm |
  14. Richard S Kaiser

    GOD was before and with and ever after thee.
    His 1st born son was and is and ever shall be.
    The answers to our questions shall ever set everyone free.
    Sometimes harsh yet most times simply.
    Forever are we upon Life’s Cosmology Tree.

    People are patently GOD’s Steeples and Buildings galore.
    Children are reared up sometimes against but mostly are for.
    Christ the redeemer, His life is found within one’s core.
    Atheists or Christians, GOD does love and adore.
    Sentenced in Life, we live out to do but one chore.

    The animals of socialisms those Alpha wielding drones.
    As perfect as we can be down to our bones.
    The Omegas’ lastly Alpha belittled yet bemoans.
    GOD grants descendents toward ascension’s girded life's groans.
    Listening intently the parody prods against musical tones.

    September 17, 2011 at 11:18 am |
  15. Elusive

    The elusive 'missing link' to some wise men is found in the book of 'Genesis'

    September 17, 2011 at 11:15 am |
    • Birdie

      'Professing themselves to be wise they became fools'

      searching for an elusive missing link, when all along it was found in the word of God.

      September 17, 2011 at 11:18 am |
  16. herbert juarez

    is it true atheists don't have a prayer?
    if you told an atheist to go to to hell ,would they walk around in circles, looking stupid?
    if you saw an atheist walking around in circles, looking stupid, how would you know the difference?
    what is the difference between an atheist and a box of rocks?
    Could you say that the box of rocks makes better land fill?
    if an atheist is typing on a blog how long will it be before a lie appears?
    is it true all atheists have to lie to themselves before they can join the club?
    what do atheists use to replace faith?
    what do atheists use to replace hope?
    besides themselves what do atheists use to replace love?
    since an atheist is not restricted by having to tell the truth,what value are they?
    if atheists evolved why aren't they perfect? God bless

    September 17, 2011 at 9:09 am |
    • JohnR

      When you actually have a sincere question, let us know!

      September 17, 2011 at 9:55 am |
    • GalapagosPete

      I especially liked the "god bless" at the end. Apparently that makes the rest all right!

      September 17, 2011 at 11:59 am |
    • David Johnson

      @herbert juarez

      Why, Herbie! Long time no see.

      You didn't answer my questions last time we talked. I will ask it again!

      Why couldn't your all loving, all powerful, all knowing god, construct a bible that would be interpreted the same by everyone?

      Why is there 38,000 different denominations of Christianity. Many with contradictory beliefs?

      I believe you said, that the "other" Christians were counterfeit. Which brings us to my other question:

      What proof can you offer that they are wrong and you are right?

      Cheers!

      September 17, 2011 at 1:14 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Some christians like to think they're special. They like to think that god made them. It scares them when people tell the truth, that they are just another product of evolution, and that when they die, they won't go to Disneyland. They'll just be dead.

      September 17, 2011 at 1:17 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      If herbert was created why isn't he perfect?
      Compared to herbert my cat has better eyesight, hearing, sense of smell, balance, reflexes and is probably much better company. Frankly as a created individual you're pretty messed up overall. Not a glowing endorsement for your creator god.

      September 17, 2011 at 1:22 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @david johnson the question you asked has been answered multiple times.I cannot be responsible for your inability to comprehend.God bless

      September 17, 2011 at 3:27 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @atheist steve
      Your wild speculations,are no more than that.You have no concept of who i really am or my abilities.P.S. hope your cat finds a nice oriental restaurant nearby.God bless

      September 17, 2011 at 3:31 pm |
    • JohnR

      So now you're wishing death on someone's pet, Herbie?

      September 17, 2011 at 3:41 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      Why john r ,you madcap , whatever do you mean? God bless

      September 17, 2011 at 3:54 pm |
    • Normon

      If having faith without evidence is better than with it, then isn't doing the right thing without faith better than with it?

      September 17, 2011 at 4:22 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @normon
      Define the right thing.God bless

      September 17, 2011 at 8:06 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      I make no speculations. My cats superior senses are a matter of scientific fact. Cats abilities surpass humans in all these aspects. This demonstrates conclusively human inferiority and thus imperfection. Further if we are made in Gods image why is he so F'ed up?

      September 17, 2011 at 8:19 pm |
    • AGuest9

      "is it true atheists don't have a prayer?"

      Since one has nothing to do with the other, there is no logic to your question.

      September 17, 2011 at 8:25 pm |
    • AGuest9

      ""if atheists evolved why aren't they perfect?

      If humans were created in a god's image and likeness, and the god was perfect, explain defective genes and organs, such as tonsils, appendix, the coccyx (tail bone), children born with webbing on fingers and toes.

      September 17, 2011 at 8:28 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @herbert juarez

      Please post your answer(s) again.

      1. Why couldn't god have constructed / inspired a bible that was not ambiguous?

      2. Can you supply proof that your interpretation of the bible, is the correct interpretation?

      Cheers!

      September 17, 2011 at 10:02 pm |
  17. *frank*

    In Soviet Olduvai, Lucy fossilize you!

    September 16, 2011 at 11:03 pm |
    • Dmitri

      Chyort!

      September 17, 2011 at 2:00 am |
  18. Richard S Kaiser

    Jhn 18:36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."

    So Christ Jesus states rather ominously that His Kingdom is not of "this world". Anyone dare a guess as to where Christ's Kingdom really is located?

    September 16, 2011 at 10:33 pm |
    • Richard S Kaiser

      Clue #1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

      Mat 6:33 "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you."

      September 16, 2011 at 10:43 pm |
    • Richard S Kaiser

      Clue #2,,,,,,,,,,,,

      1Cr 3:9 “For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building.”

      Still don't have a clue as to where Christ's Kingpom is? Keep searching and ever seek out the location of His Kingdom, for one day you may stumble onto it,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 🙂

      September 16, 2011 at 10:47 pm |
    • Al

      Is it next to the adult video store at the corner of 22nd and w. 34th?

      September 17, 2011 at 3:36 am |
    • David Johnson

      @Richard S Kaiser

      There is no real evidence, that Jesus ever existed.

      Cheers!

      September 17, 2011 at 1:18 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Is it IKEA?

      September 17, 2011 at 1:22 pm |
    • Magic

      I am torn between the Conservatory and the Ball Room... more clues needed.

      September 17, 2011 at 1:27 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Richard S Kaiser

      You asked: "So Christ Jesus states rather ominously that His Kingdom is not of "this world". Anyone dare a guess as to where Christ's Kingdom really is located?"

      I like guessing games! I think Christ's Kingdom was pulled out of the New Testament author's umm... imagination.

      Do you have proof that I am wrong? Do you have proof that Jesus ever existed?

      Waiting to see if I get a prize for guessing correctly.

      September 17, 2011 at 2:01 pm |
    • Normon

      Richard S Kaiser

      Clue less,,,,,,,,,,,,

      September 17, 2011 at 4:24 pm |
    • Richard S Kaiser

      @ ALL,,,,,,,,

      Luk 17:21 "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is inside/within you."

      September 17, 2011 at 8:42 pm |
  19. Redneck louie

    so hazard how long you been an ape

    September 16, 2011 at 9:25 pm |
    • Normon

      not sure who hazard is, but all humans are in the Family Hominidae (or Great Apes) along with Chimps and Gorillas.

      September 17, 2011 at 4:28 pm |
    • Redneck louie

      so normons how long you been a ape or is it just yourn face that gives it away was yourn momma an apet to or yourn granma

      September 17, 2011 at 8:15 pm |
    • John Richardson

      @Redneck It wasn't particularly funny when Wilberforce made this joke more than 150 years ago and, I have to tell you, it hasn't exactly aged like fine wine!

      September 17, 2011 at 8:19 pm |
    • tallulah13

      I strongly suspect that we have reached the end of louie's vocabulary. He seems the generally say the same thing over and over. Sad, really.

      September 17, 2011 at 8:20 pm |
    • John Richardson

      Sounds about right, tallulah!

      September 17, 2011 at 8:22 pm |
    • Redneck louie

      seems lak i aint tonly one sayin the same stuff all along ijest likes apes is all they is all harry and got them long tails an all

      September 17, 2011 at 8:24 pm |
    • Redneck louie

      hey y all got them tales your own selves got to go squeeze some renderens

      September 17, 2011 at 8:26 pm |
  20. Carlies Saga

    Richard Branson, WHO?

    September 16, 2011 at 8:33 pm |
    • *frank*

      fail.

      September 16, 2011 at 9:14 pm |
    • Al

      He's another person that has a grasp on reality.

      September 17, 2011 at 3:39 am |
    • tallulah13

      It's a tiny, tiny world you live in, carlie. I pity you.

      September 17, 2011 at 1:20 pm |
    • Carlies Saga

      I live in the world where 84% (of the entire earth) lives.

      @Ali

      And YOU,,,,,like TALLULAH, can't handle Dhard Truth (and) that in America MAJORITY always WINS.

      My heart bleeds for both of you. Hu! hu! hu!

      September 17, 2011 at 9:07 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Carlie, the fact that 84% of the population consists of idiots is hardly a cause for celebration. You're a complete moron.

      September 17, 2011 at 10:13 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Perhaps you're right, carlie. Maybe 84% of the world doesn't know who Richard Branson is. That's hardly a reason to celebrate. I like to keep up on current events and people in the news, myself.

      September 17, 2011 at 10:34 pm |
    • Carlies Saga

      "I like to keep up on current events and people in the news, myself."

      @tallulah

      That's the best thing you can do to keep yourself updated and informed in "a tiny, tiny world" you live in.

      @Tom Tom

      Yo've had leveled-up yourself from being one, that made (you) become the ULTIMATE MORON. I knew it, your (Sr.) Loving Father told me.

      "That's hardly a reason to celebrate"

      I don't celebrate on other people's misery. Otherwise, "I pity" them.

      September 17, 2011 at 11:21 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Where IS that Idiot Translator Ring? I need one to figure out the meaning of Carlie's manure.

      What a dimbulb you are, honey.

      September 18, 2011 at 1:47 pm |
    • Tom Piper'Sr.

      Don't believe what Carlie was saying. I have no idea where he heard it from but definitely not from me. I didn't divulge it to anyone, it's our secret, son!

      September 20, 2011 at 8:21 am |
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