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Nomadic Kenyans suffering from drought, famine
Somali children receive medical treatment at a Turkish field hospital on August 19, 2011 in Mogadishu, Somalia.
September 18th, 2011
07:56 AM ET

Nomadic Kenyans suffering from drought, famine

By Gabe LaMonica, CNN

(CNN)–World Relief, a Christian evangelical aid organization, is collaborating with Kenyan churches and non-governmental organizations (NGOs) to stem the tide of acute malnutrition across the northern region of Kenya called Turkana.

Famine today "is rarely mentioned anymore," said Don Golden, a senior vice president for World Relief based out of Baltimore. It is a word reserved strictly for Somalia, he said.

But famine, like a plague, spreads, and, "In reality it's a very large food security crisis involving a number of countries and millions at risk," said Golden, referring to the crisis situation in vast regions of east Africa.

"We have the means to stop famine," he said. "The only reason it is happening now is because of al-Shabab-controlled territory in Somalia."

According to Golden, refugees fleeing the al-Shabab-dominated famine areas of Somalia are exacerbating the situation in Turkana, a region already poor in resources. "The old saying is that droughts are natural disasters and famine is manmade," he said.

"Nearly one-quarter of the children in Turkana are malnourished or at risk of malnutrition," Golden said.

Turkana is drought-stricken and encompasses an area where a great body of evidence for early hominid development has been unearthed.

Areas east of the saltwater Lake Turkana have provided a boon for archaeologists, who have recovered fossils from the Pleistocene era; the first Australopithecus skull and Homo habilis were found here. In 1984,"Turkana boy," or Homo erectus or Homo ergaster was found here.

In a speech this March, then-U.S. Ambassador Michael Ranneberger called Kenya a " 'have-not' country related to water ... with an average of less than 1,000 cubic meters available per person per year."

Americans have access to four times that much water.

Pastor Simon Ndegwa of Parklands Baptist Church in Nairobi, some 700 miles away from Turkana, said the people there "are first a community isolated, they are secondly a community facing conflict every day, and they are thirdly a community that's living in a terrain that's very, very challenging."

It is a terrain that Peter Smerdon, the chief of media relations at the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF's) global headquarters in New York, is familiar with.

Do the Turkana have to change to survive?

"All the arid and semiarid areas have similar problems of lifestyle as to whether it continues or not," Smerdon said.

Stopping people from starving to death is different than enabling them to fend for themselves. "There's a way of helping that can hurt," said Ndegwa, who collaborates closely with World Relief.

"Sometimes interventions have the capacity to completely take away what's so valuable to a people," he said.

In the case of the Turkana, who are a pastoralist, animist people, what are valuable to them are their cattle and their ability to move around in search of pastures. Their nomadic tendencies take them across country and tribal borders.

"We shouldn't just throw these people on the dust heap and say look, your lifestyle is no longer permitted and you need to be a farmer," Smerdon said. Before coming to UNICEF, he was with the World Food Program operating out of northern Kenya.

"In 2006," he said, "the people who survived the drought the best were those who educated some of their children who now were working in big towns like Nairobi and able to send money back in order to supplement loss of livestock."

Smerdon and Golden agree that to create sustainability for an isolated people in today's interconnected world, there has to be a bridge. The answer then, lies in education.

Initially, in an emergency situation, "everyone is saying we want water and food," Smerdon said, "but at the end they are saying we want school fees."

In a modern world, people can survive famine by "giving up their way of life, settling in internally displaced persons (IDP) camps and waiting for free food," Golden said.

"Educating schoolchildren is a way to change lifestyles" for isolated children growing into a globalized world and "therefore they can get a job and provide a lifeline (to their families) when there is a drought," Smerdon said.

"There's the emergency response but also very much a realization that you have to help communities build up their resistance and find other ways of earning money," he said.

Ndegwa said, "We must hear the cry of a vulnerable people, the Turkana, during their hour of need."

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Africa • Christianity • Kenya

soundoff (198 Responses)
  1. Muneef

    Do you believe that ? Nomadic Kenyans suffering from drought,famine! Where were the UN about that couldn't they have helped this country and the countries that surround it to make more use of the "Victoria Lake" isn't that that lake is located in the center of those dry countries? Isn't that same lake been feeding the Nile River that runs long Ethiopia,Sadan to Egypt? Couldn't that have made to help countries such as Kenya,Somalia,Tanzania,Uganda?? Shame really when land is very fertile and only needs running river waters to enable agriculture projects and self sufficiency to these people who were of the richest in the region before these conflicts and climate change...!! They never care to find a permanent solutions but rather happy with providing porridge every now and then...watching people dying helplessly...

    September 18, 2011 at 7:57 pm |
    • George H

      I agree. There are resources but they are not being used. People out of work, but they are not being given jobs. And so on...

      September 18, 2011 at 8:25 pm |
    • Ladervijd

      Muneef,
      You certainly make a valid point, but nomads have little to no knowledge about farming and irrigation, which (not only) theoretically could be helped with if they wanted to settle. Though, that doesn't necessarily mean that land is free for grabs (not only) in Kenya.

      September 18, 2011 at 8:34 pm |
    • BG

      @ Muneef

      There is validity in everything you said... but there is one glaring omission which makes everything impossible.

      Nothing good can happen until they get rid of all the bloodthirsty megalomaniacs, Islamic warlords and corrupt politicians included.

      September 18, 2011 at 9:21 pm |
    • Muneef

      Ladervijd.
      Nomads means that they are cattle owners and obliged to be kept on the move following the rains that bring green pastures but if water was available they will settle down and do agriculture since there is nothing that complicated about it in a fertile lands as African lands...!

      BG.
      Understand your point of view and agree with it but would not want to see the innocents paying for it while those you point at have their money stacked abroad and I wouldn't be surprised it they turned to be having more than one Nationality...who would in the end run abroad and live in peace with their blood money...!?!

      September 18, 2011 at 9:52 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Just like the mafia. Everyone has their hands out for a piece of the pie.

      Amen.

      September 20, 2011 at 5:41 pm |
  2. when

    God gave us free will to chose His way or our own. To believe in Him, or not. He did not make little robots all programed to believe in Him, He gave us free will to make our own choices. One has to have more faith to believe there is no God than to believe there is. When one has no faith in God, they place faith in themselves. And so, George, your argument fails. I have plenty of information from my God and I have faith in my God. Your closed-mindedness won't allow you to seek God. Sadly, your faith remains in created things rather than the Creator. Peace.

    September 18, 2011 at 7:46 pm |
    • George H

      You have no proof and never will. People like you think that any proof will somehow destroy their "faith" that requires no proof before it can be called "faith". That's why you hate facts. Facts prove there is no god. Facts prove you to be a deluded fool.

      Freedom to choose contains the freedom to examine the facts before choosing. No god exists.
      With free choice and free will, your concepts of heaven and hell are shown to be false.
      If your god truly existed, there would be no need for a choice in the first place. In that scenario, your god would be self-evident and any ignorance would always be forgivable since there would be physical concrete proof all over the place and we would all be having conversations with your god at all times. We would be slaves to such a god.
      Without any proof or even any suggestion that your god might actually exist, your "faith" turns out to be nothing more than a delusion, a trick used to keep people believing in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

      Your argument fails, as always. Without a god, every argument you can bring will fail. Just more proof that you are WRONG.

      September 18, 2011 at 7:54 pm |
    • Bucky Ball.

      There is NO free will. Neurology has provided the proof.
      http://www(dot)youtube.com/watch?v=fI1624SwYnI

      September 18, 2011 at 8:34 pm |
    • AGuest9

      "a mind floating totally free from physical reality" Um, yeah, I'm SURE an MRI proves THAT. NOT!

      September 18, 2011 at 9:04 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      When, the atheists' god is money and monetary things. It's that sin of greed blinding them to Jesus Christ's truth.

      Amen.

      September 19, 2011 at 2:14 am |
    • Hasa Diga Eebowai

      The atheist's god is humanity. We worship and do all we can to ensure the future progress of our species. (a species that will hopefully survive for thousands of more years on this rock before a self fulfilling prophecy or the rapture destroys us)

      September 19, 2011 at 4:47 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Hasa Diga Eebowai. First, God is in control, not man. Second, you atheists are the ones that spread the lies of the Rapture. True Christians that love and follow Jesus' truth actually read the Bible. There is no such thing as the rapture. That is man made, not God made.

      Amen.

      September 20, 2011 at 5:57 pm |
  3. Teri

    Wanna know why this is happening? Its because of the selfishness of humankind. I can bet that everyone who's reading this right now has thrown away food right? So dont go on blaming god for things like this the blame is our's alone. Why does he let all this happen? Because its the product of our own stupidity. Everyone is chasing money, chasing power, and just chasing, chasing, chasing. If we looked out for one another like we are supposed to, the world would be a better place... We have made this world ugly and defiled. We are so selfish, we only care about ourselves. Its really sad... 😥 Where did all the good people go?

    September 18, 2011 at 6:09 pm |
    • George H

      The good that could be done is not being done. I am fighting against that, as are you.
      Prayers do nothing to help. Money given to churches only goes into their pockets.
      That's why you see these pictures of starving children. Religions are about free money for fat priests, not starving children.

      September 18, 2011 at 7:40 pm |
    • Charles

      The notion that "I" am responsible for famine on the other side of the world because I don't lick my plate clean everyday is not realistic. I understand what you're trying to say, though. You're saying that the rich should use their money to help build infrastructure and educate those in 3rd world countries, and those without money should do the building and the teaching. Yet, what makes this goodwill possible? Capitalism; or as you say "chasing, chasing, chasing." If we don't strive to get ahead, then we wouldn't get anywhere, and we wouldn't have the means to conquer the ills of the world. Ills like drought, famine, disease, natural disasters, etc... Then there is the matter of despots and other oppressors who get in the way. Now we're talking about military action, which is ultimately funded by "chasers," no matter how little.

      September 18, 2011 at 8:26 pm |
    • AGuest9

      Thank you, Teri. You explained it so eloquently. It's NOT Edward Lorenz's "butterfly effect", that explains that global storm patterns change based in chaos theory, but that I DIDN'T CLEAN MY PLATE. Therefore, it stopped raining and there is a drought in Kenya because I threw away a pizza crust six months ago. With logic like that, you MUST be a believer!

      September 18, 2011 at 8:33 pm |
  4. Reality

    "We have the means to stop famine," he said. "The only reason it is happening now is because of al-Shabab-controlled territory in Somalia."

    And who is al-Shabab?

    "The group is an off-shoot of the Islamic Courts Union, which splintered into several smaller organizations after its removal from power by Ethiopian forces in 2006.[6

    Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/al-shabaab-1#ixzz1YIyMRi48

    Add another koranic-driven atrocity to the following list:

    The Muslim Conquest of India – 11th to 18th century

    ■"The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

    and the 19 million killed in the Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C by Muslims.

    and more recently

    1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

    1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

    2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

    3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US troops killed in action, 3,480 and 928 in non combat roles. 102,522 – 112,049 Iraqi civilians killed as of 9/16/2011/, mostly due to suicide bombers, land mines and bombs of various types, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

    4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

    5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

    6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

    7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

    8. UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

    9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.

    10) – Afghanistan: US troops 1,385 killed in action, 273 killed in non-combat situations as of 09/15/2011. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror

    11) The killing of 13 citizen soldiers at Ft. Hood by a follower of the koran.

    12) 38 Russian citizens killed on March 29, 2010 by Muslim women suicide bombers.

    13) The May 28, 2010 attack on a Islamic religious minority in Pakistan, which have left 98 dead,

    14) Lockerbie is known internationally as the site where, on 21 December 1988, the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103 crashed as a result of a terrorist bomb. In the United Kingdom the event is referred to as the Lockerbie disaster, the Lockerbie bombing, or simply Lockerbie. Eleven townspeople were killed in Sherwood Crescent, where the plane's wings and fuel tanks plummeted in a fiery explosion, destroying several houses and leaving a huge crater, with debris causing damage to a number of buildings nearby. The 270 fatalities (259 on the plane, 11 in Lockerbie) were citizens of 21 nations.

    15 The daily suicide and/or roadside and/or mosque bombings in the terror world of Islam.

    16) Bombs sent from Yemen by followers of the koran which fortunately were discovered before the bombs were detonated.

    17) The killing of 58 Christians in a Catholic church in one of the latest acts of horror and terror in Iraq.

    18) Moscow airport suicide bombing: 35 dead, 130 injured. January 25, 2011.

    19) A Pakistani minister, who had said he was getting death threats because of his stance against the country's controversial blasphemy law, was shot and killed Wednesday, 3/2/2011

    20) two American troops killed in Germany by a recently radicalized Muslim, 3/3/2011

    21) the kidnapping and apparent killing of a follower of Zoraster in the dark world of Islamic Pakistan.

    22) Shariatpur, Bangladesh (CNN 3/30/2011) – Hena Akhter's last words to her mother proclaimed her innocence. But it was too late to save the 14-year-old girl. Her fellow villagers in Bangladesh's Shariatpur district had already passed harsh judgment on her. Guilty, they said, of having an affair with a married man. The imam from the local mosque ordered the fatwa, or religious ruling, and the punishment: 101 lashes delivered swiftly, deliberately in public. Hena dropped after 70 and died a week later.
    =====================================================================================

    September 18, 2011 at 5:42 pm |
    • Samsword

      Furthermore, I can't believe you are arguing AGAINST humanitarian groups. True, not all of them are 100% altruistic... but at least they are doing something. Plus there have been countless religious groups who do it without any compensation whatsoever, and do it anonymously to boot...

      September 18, 2011 at 7:01 pm |
    • Samsword

      Sorry, that was meant for the comment below! Sorry! =)

      September 18, 2011 at 7:02 pm |
    • Muneef

      This must be some sort of sickness !?!

      September 18, 2011 at 8:06 pm |
  5. George H

    Religious people don't want to help these starving people because they think all of this is "God's" will on the Kenyans.
    And most of them like the idea of "God" killing off people.
    All they have to do is stand back and watch "God's wrath" being done on these dark-skinned sinners and presto! problem solved when they are all dead – leaving the "truly faithful" still alive.

    Catholics don't want to provide medical help to these suffering people, just like Mother Teresa.
    They think suffering is good and don't mind causing some of it themselves or prolonging any suffering they might encounter.
    Catholics are evil when they follow the evil parts of their religion.

    Evangelicals are only in it for the money. Where'd the money go? we ask. Oh, those other people took it and now we need more to put in our pockets, they respond. Or powerful gangs or government thugs took all the food we sent. We need more money now again as usual...
    Don't look at the percentage of money that actually makes it to the starving people – less than ten percent.

    And how about the write-offs for religious people? They love that.
    They can take all the donations, put it in their pocket, and write a check to cover some of it and then use the check as proof that they've donated money to the church when they didn't donate a damn thing.
    That's how some people do it. Tax fraud. They write a check and get more cash back than they wrote the check for.
    Net profit every time. There is no paper trail on the cash. They can pocket any amount of it they want and no one but them knows how much.
    Then they ask for more. Who wouldn't? Private jets, mansions, all from FREE MONEY given by gullible fools.

    No, if you want to help these starving people, do it through your government. Don't pour money down the rat-hole of some greedy religious organization that is just a front for criminals.
    That's why so many TeaPartiers want to "privatize" welfare and other government programs.
    With privatization, there is no accountability, no paper trail, and no way anyone is going to stop them from pocketing all the money and then saying they need more.
    With government, we have paper trails, we have EVERYONE getting help, and we barely pay anything per person in taxes for that.
    With privatization, it is just the opposite. They want ALL of your money. They will help only a few friends and cronies. And the majority of the money is going to go into their pockets. And then they will ask for more from the gullible idiots who keep getting ripped off and never have a clue about it.

    September 18, 2011 at 5:15 pm |
    • Samsword

      Except that it is the "religious people" that are lending aid... or did you miss that part. How many Atheist Humanitarian groups are there? ....So.... there goes that argument, sorry.

      September 18, 2011 at 6:58 pm |
    • Samsword

      Furthermore, I can't believe you are arguing AGAINST humanitarian groups. True, not all of them are 100% altruistic... but at least they are doing something. Plus there have been countless religious groups who do it without any compensation whatsoever, and do it anonymously to boot...

      September 18, 2011 at 7:02 pm |
    • George H

      I don't see any aid being given by religious people. You all like to say you're helping, but I never see any of it anywhere.
      You might feed a few people, but the overwhelming majority of funds goes into your pockets.
      Religious people do not and never have had a monopoly on helping others.

      You think that just because you're religious that you are automatically helping these people. What a joke.
      And you think that only religious people are helping. What a pathetic lie.
      There are things that could be done to help these people. None of those things are even being seriously considered by religious people. You need starving Africans so you have a reason to ask for extra money.
      Virtually NONE of that money makes it to Africa, much less the starving ones who need it.
      What have YOU done to help? NOTHING. Giving five dollars isn't doing a damn thing. It doesn't even cover the "cost" of ASKING for the money in the first place.
      You pound your chest yet help no one. That's religion for you. Empty prayers by fat rich people.
      That's not helping anyone but yourselves. You are disgusting. Your religion is just a front.
      We can see what you actually DO.
      By your fruits we KNOW YOU.

      September 18, 2011 at 7:21 pm |
    • George H

      By the way, I have never, in any of my posts, argued against humanitarian efforts. You seek to demonize me, but you fail.

      September 18, 2011 at 7:56 pm |
    • Samsword

      Well, I can think of a few. The Mormon's are the first to come to mind. I may not agree with everything they say, but they freely give of themselves. I know for a fact that very little to none of their humanitarian funds "go to their pocket," and they give far more than just money. In South East Asia, after the Tsunami, the Mormons were the first ones in, and the last ones out. They even rebuilt mosques and worship houses not of their own faith! Besides Mormons, countless others donate time and money anonymously. Your blanket sweep statement is what fails. Furthermore, I'm not demonizing you specifically; I simply don't understand why anyone would knock down humanitarian effort. Even just a little helps. What have you done to help the situation in Africa? I think the lot of us just sit by and point fingers, but in the end, it's the ones who actually DO something that really have any say in the matter...

      September 18, 2011 at 10:16 pm |
    • J.W

      George can I see some of the statistics to back this up?>>>> "You might feed a few people, but the overwhelming majority of funds goes into your pockets."

      September 18, 2011 at 10:36 pm |
    • TruthPrevails

      "Samsword
      Except that it is the "religious people" that are lending aid... or did you miss that part. How many Atheist Humanitarian groups are there? ....So.... there goes that argument, sorry."

      Maybe if you used google for what it was intended you might actually come across this site: http://www.thinkatheist.com/notes/Secular_charities
      It lists numerous secular charities and totally debunks what you have stated.

      September 19, 2011 at 6:38 am |
  6. ?????

    ?

    September 18, 2011 at 4:08 pm |
  7. when

    You don't have to, Frank. You have free will as well.

    September 18, 2011 at 3:34 pm |
    • George H

      Free will isn't free if there is punishment and threats involved.
      If we truly have free will, then there is no god to punish us for making our choices freely using all available proof.

      "when's" argument fails. To make a choice without information to guide us, is just random. Your god does not exist.
      Requiring "faith" only proves my point. With a lack of any real information from your god, the rational choice is to not believe.
      Rational choices would take any real danger into account. Faith is not rational and requires no knowledge or wisdom.
      Faith is a scam. There is free will enough to look for proof of your god.
      You have no proof of your god, therefore it doesn't exist. You believe your own lies, but cannot prove your lies to be true.

      That's the achilles heel of faith. Blind belief in lies can always be shown to be lies by the lack of proof that they are true.

      You cannot prove a lie to be true. "Faith" is another word for blind stupidity and ignorance.

      September 18, 2011 at 5:55 pm |
    • Ladervijd

      George,
      the concept of Karma explains it well (roughly). As for the term free will, you have the will to do good, and you have the will to not do bad. i.e. if a male rap3s a girl, then aside from the karmic consequences of that rap3 for the male (respectivly the soul thereof) and aside from the pain suffering caused to the girl, that male is a danger to society at large and should be dealt with swiftly. in other words, without (free/self-controlled/guided) will there wouldn't have been any human kingdom, society, etc.

      As for "information", aside from various scripture, it can be summarized as "Do no harm", or a bit more specific as the Ten Commandments. Anything else, you have to inquire, in one form or another, for answers.

      And yes, to sin without being really aware of it, is deemed more forgiveable in a way. That does not mean though that if anyone rationalizes causing you physical harm as in torture for joy, that it would be 'alright' or such.

      September 18, 2011 at 6:54 pm |
    • George H

      Your post made no sense whatsoever.
      Can't you speak clearly? Karma is a bullsht concept that has been proven to be false over and over throughout history.

      Your rap3 analogy fails because it is a false analogy. Your god does nothing to anyone in the real world. All you have is fantasy.

      September 18, 2011 at 7:25 pm |
    • Ladervijd

      yeah yeah, blah blah...

      September 18, 2011 at 7:57 pm |
    • George H

      Wow, what an amazing example of an intelligent refutation to my posts. Pathetic.

      September 18, 2011 at 8:23 pm |
    • Ladervijd

      You might be used from mommy that everything is prepared for you the way you expect. That doesn't mean that the rest of the world would care or bend over for you.
      Big businessmen treating slaves as sh1t and getting 'respect' in return, may be your ideal of social order. Again, that doesn't mean that the rest of the world would care or bend over for you.

      September 18, 2011 at 8:54 pm |
    • Ladervijd

      "Karma is a bullsht concept that has been proven to be false over and over throughout history."

      Name at least one specific example of such.

      September 18, 2011 at 8:55 pm |
    • Patel

      To believe in karma is to believe in some sort of predestination related to one's previous incarnation, and that there is predestined justice from a person's life or one of many previous lives.

      Believing in karma means that you also believe in reincarnation. It is used to explain the random events we all experience as being from a mysterious and always unknown previous life.

      It is much like the Christian faith in that it seeks to replace belief in karma with belief in a single god who is doing mysterious and unknown things to us for mysterious and unknown reasons.

      Predestination is not free-will.
      Either you have the illusion of free will, or you have the illusion of predestination.
      You cannot have both.
      That doesn't stop people from trying, though. I see many posts here talking about free-will. Karma is not free-will or even related to free-will. It is predestined "luck" that is seen as "justice" from a previous life if nothing in the current life matches up with these random results / events. Just another trick of religions. To see a god's will in any event big or small is to ignore the dichotomy of your illusion.

      September 19, 2011 at 1:39 am |
    • Patel

      To believe in karma is to believe in some sort of predestination related to one's previous incarnation, and that there is predestined justice from a person's life or one of many previous lives..

      Believing in karma means that you also believe in reincarnation. It is used to explain the random events we all experience as being from a mysterious and always unknown previous life.

      It is much like the Christian faith in that it seeks to replace belief in karma with belief in a single god who is doing mysterious and unknown things to us for mysterious and unknown reasons.

      Predestination is not free-will.
      Either you have the illusion of free will, or you have the illusion of predestination.
      You cannot have both.
      That doesn't stop people from trying, though. I see many posts here talking about free-will. Karma is not free-will or even related to free-will. It is predestined "luck" that is seen as "justice" from a previous life if nothing in the current life matches up with these random results / events. Just another trick of religions. To see a god's will in any event big or small is to ignore the dichotomy of your illusion.

      September 19, 2011 at 1:42 am |
    • Patel

      To believe in karma is to believe in some sort of predestination related to one's previous incarnation, and that there is predestined justice from a person's life or one of many previous lives..

      Believing in karma means that you also believe in reincarnation. It is used to explain the random events we all experience as being from a mysterious and always unknown previous life.

      It is much like the Christian faith in that it seeks to replace belief in karma with belief in a single god who is doing mysterious and unknown things to us for mysterious and unknown reasons.

      Predestination is not free-will.
      Either you have the illusion of free will, or you have the illusion of predestination.
      You cannot have both.

      That doesn't stop people from trying, though.
      I see many posts here talking about free-will.
      Karma is not free-will or even related to free-will.
      It is predestined "luck" that is seen as "justice" from a previous life if nothing in the current life matches up with these random results / events. Just another trick of religions. To see a god's will in any event big or small is to ignore the dichotomy of your illusion.

      September 19, 2011 at 1:43 am |
    • HeavenSent

      George H, where in the world do you come up with what is in your thought process? Did your parents honestly spend money on this so-called education of yours to be a bonafide dry bones with no compassion, no love, no truth about life and the hereafter?

      Amen.

      September 19, 2011 at 2:36 am |
    • Ladervijd

      Patel,
      The concept of karma does not necessarily include reincarnation – i.e. 'bad karma' meaning that one goes to purgatory, or hell, or such, after life.

      The ramifications of predestination is certainly a broader topic regarding human psyché. Regarding material objects, when i drop an item out the window in 2nd floor, that item is predestined to fall down, with calculable speed, ETA and destination.

      One God and karma do not exclude themselves. Karma and free will do not exclude themselves. True though that the concept of karma was/is at times misused even when not talking about karma.

      September 19, 2011 at 5:34 am |
  8. when

    God gave us free will. Mankind is born self-centered. Just as God exists, so does satan. There is, and has been, a spiritual battle going on which is augmenting in such a degree, it will culminate into a scenario the likes of which we can't begin to imagine. When everything is complete, there will be peace. Cheers!

    September 18, 2011 at 2:54 pm |
    • *frank*

      I don't believe you.

      September 18, 2011 at 3:03 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      A wise man fears and departs from evil, but a fool rages and is self-confident.

      Proverbs 14:16

      Amen.

      September 20, 2011 at 6:09 pm |
  9. *frank*

    Mysterious ways!

    September 18, 2011 at 2:37 pm |
  10. David Johnson

    If there was an all loving, all knowing, all powerful god, how could starvation exist?

    1. If the Christian god is all knowing, He would be AWARE of all the suffering on earth.

    2. If the Christian god is all good, He would WANT to rid the world of suffering / evil.

    3. If the Christian god is all powerful, He would be ABLE to rid the world of suffering / evil.

    4. Yet, evil persists.

    Therefore, The Christian god is very unlikely to exist.

    Cheers!

    September 18, 2011 at 2:30 pm |
    • Ladervijd

      starvation = usually lack of food, or lack of access to food

      One tonne of harvested crops provides bread to x persons for y days. How many tonnes of crops are needed to provide bread to seven milliard persons for one year?

      September 18, 2011 at 7:39 pm |
    • George H

      Where are your answers to David Johnson's questions? Nowhere. How typical.

      September 18, 2011 at 7:57 pm |
    • Ladervijd

      *cough* There is one question in his post.

      September 18, 2011 at 8:11 pm |
    • George H

      And you fail, repeatedly, to answer it.

      Turn your head and cough some more, you lackwit.

      September 18, 2011 at 8:19 pm |
    • George H

      You neither answer his question nor address his argument which also implies a question in the way it is written.
      You cannot answer with honesty. This is what I see in your posts. You cannot answer a direct question, either, I guess.....

      September 18, 2011 at 8:21 pm |
    • Ladervijd

      How about making a direct question then, instead of constantly insulting me and trying to force yourself down my throat?

      September 18, 2011 at 8:38 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      David Johnson, Christians have and still do what we can. The wrench in the wheel of life is all the atheists in the world. If it weren't for you folks being blinded by so many sins, you'd be on board with us doing Jesus Christ's righteousness in the world, hence, no more fires to put out for the Christian communities throughout the world.

      Amen.

      September 19, 2011 at 2:40 am |
    • HeavenSent

      David, Jesus left His letter He wrote to all of us (the Bible) how to live a righteous life and be the best that He wants all of us to be. The reason these horrors happen in the world is because too many refuse to read His truth, hence, live unrighteous lives that trickle down to others.

      Amen.

      September 20, 2011 at 6:12 pm |
  11. Kumbaya

    I am very disgusted by most of the comments here. If you cannot find compassion for this starving babies do not fool yourself into believing you are a good person. I am not asking you to change your ways, because without dark there is no light, without bad there is no good. Just know that you are not one of the good guys. The good guys gave the little money they could to UNICEF-Somalia

    September 18, 2011 at 1:34 pm |
  12. when

    As long as mankind lives on this earth, there will be wars, whether religion exists or not. The hatred and dissention of some of these posts is proof of it.

    September 18, 2011 at 1:25 pm |
    • Fieldmouse

      Well put and sadly very true.

      September 18, 2011 at 2:40 pm |
  13. Luke

    Where's your god now?

    September 18, 2011 at 12:42 pm |
    • doctore0

      Faith-heads like to do gawds work and then pretend gawd did it.. and then pretend death is not real, that endless life in eternal luxury awaits for them.

      September 18, 2011 at 1:02 pm |
  14. Romualdas

    I akompanyiNG JAY LEMOR. million years Afrika sleep in satisfaction – that from palm fallen down chap-chap

    September 18, 2011 at 12:32 pm |
  15. jay lemor

    you know, these pictures and stories are awful, i truly feel sorry for them,
    but lets be honest, its not a national interest, really.
    their lives, do not affect america, nor will it ever, why don't we worry about ourselves.
    i can honestly say i dont care at all about the starving kids in "wherever" when its compared to our own problems.

    September 18, 2011 at 12:20 pm |
    • Fieldmouse

      Of course teabags don't care. It's always about "me me me" and screw everyone else. Show some empathy!

      September 18, 2011 at 2:35 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Fieldmouse, you act like checks and balance is a bad thing. Some of us fight to keep those checks and balances in place. And you? What have you done in your life except for complain?

      Amen.

      September 19, 2011 at 2:48 am |
  16. Guest

    While I sympathize withe the babies and young children, I think their parents should learn something about self control and birth control, not necessarily in that order. All of the usual agencies that assist these people with food and medical care, should also talk to them about family planning. It seems as if the people that have the least ability to feed children, always have the most children. While family planning may be a culturally or religiously difficult proposition, it would be most helpful if the people in the usual famine areas actually do something to help themselves instead of always relying on external support. Tribal traditions and over population are as much the problem as the weather and the wars.

    September 18, 2011 at 11:38 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Wouldn't that be nice? Maybe you could let the right-wing religious nuts know. They're the ones who prevent agencies from the US from discussing birth control and family planning with these people.

      September 18, 2011 at 1:28 pm |
    • Fieldmouse

      Ah yes, it's always THEIR fault. Typical selfish teabag mentality.

      September 18, 2011 at 2:36 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Guest, what parents? The mom's of these children were R a p e d.

      God Bless the mom's and their children.

      Amen.

      September 19, 2011 at 2:58 am |
  17. sybaris

    "We have the means to stop famine," he said

    But funny that your god lets it persist

    September 18, 2011 at 10:20 am |
    • Ladervijd

      Life isn't really Star Trek-centric, as in food and drinks being miracously conjured from machines, you know?
      Even food vending machines have to filled by someone and with something.

      But hey, if you have grain or other food, let it be known how much and where it can be picked up. i am sure that you then won't have to worry about transportation, bakeries, bakers, and distribution. No grain? Have a look on fields after grain harvest; these days, usually plenty of grain spikes there on the ground after harvest. Ten persons should be able to collect bags (depending on machinery used for harvest) of grain from one smaller field within a day or so. Common sense really.

      in the long term, i.e. taxes in form of part of the actual harvest could help to build up reserves for famine situations.

      September 18, 2011 at 10:56 am |
    • AGuest9

      You do realize that even with seeds, if there is no rain, the seeds and crops die?

      September 18, 2011 at 11:33 am |
  18. AGuest9

    #1 – Why is this under Belief? Do you have to believe this is happening?
    #2 – Will this coincide with a distribution of new Project Ricebowl envelopes this week?

    This should be under International News. It has nothing to do with Belief.

    September 18, 2011 at 9:54 am |
  19. Keith

    How great it must be to live in an area dominated by islam! Wish the United States could be like that. Not.

    September 18, 2011 at 8:49 am |
    • kimsland

      Yes and they the same thing about Americans with their ludicrous jeasus religious instruction.
      I say they are both wrong.

      A world without religion, will be a world at peace with all mankind

      September 18, 2011 at 8:52 am |
    • kimsland

      oops, I meant to write jesus
      Everything about that name is wrong

      September 18, 2011 at 8:53 am |
    • Fieldmouse

      Have you even been to Kenya? Typical teabag spreading hate. This has nothing to do with religion. BTW, Islam is NOT the dominant religion in the area – Catholicism is. Surprised now?

      September 18, 2011 at 2:38 pm |
    • George H

      Catholics LOVE suffering! They won't do a damn thing to really help despite having trillions of dollars in wealth.

      It hardly matters which religion is dominant in the area. They are all full of sadistic lies. Money means more to them than doing the right thing to help everyone. The Catholics will spend as little money as possible to give the impression they are helping.
      Mother Teresa is a prime example of taking the money and using it to build more nunneries instead of using it for medicine to help the suffering under her thumb. She was an evil woman in an evil organization doing evil things.
      Kenya would suit her just fine. She'd love to walk around and do nothing to help. She was very good at that.

      September 18, 2011 at 6:03 pm |
    • Ladervijd

      That 'suffering' you refer to is actually atonement, when voluntary.

      And yes, ask i.e. the U.S. government to go bankrupt and to spend all money used on military, education, etc. to pay for private medicine that may or may not heal a number of currently sick. What are they going to tell you? That the population needs to learn, just as children, to look after themselves?

      September 18, 2011 at 7:03 pm |
    • George H

      So you're telling that kid in the picture that he just needs to fend for himself? Wow. How typical.
      You say in another post that religous orgs are helping and that no one else is. A definite lie.
      Here you say they don't need help.

      Well, which is it? Do they need help or don't they?
      According to you they MUST SUFFER for no reason other than your fake "atonement" bullsht.
      And you say this while saying only religious help should be given them.
      The same religion that says they must suffer. Wow. You really suck as a human being, you know that?

      September 18, 2011 at 7:36 pm |
    • Ladervijd

      "So you're telling that kid in the picture that he just needs to fend for himself?"

      Nope, i didn't say/mean that. What i pointed to is that by your logic the U.S. government should drop everything for a few days of charity, followed by wild anarchy or such.

      "You say in another post that religous orgs are helping and that no one else is."

      You are referring to Samsword's post.

      "Here you say they don't need help."

      Again, didn't say/mean that.

      "According to you they MUST SUFFER for no reason other than your fake "atonement" bullsht."

      Again, didn't say/mean that.

      "The same religion that says they must suffer."

      Your interpretation.

      "You really suck as a human being, you know that?"

      if you say so...

      September 18, 2011 at 7:50 pm |
    • George H

      I DO say so.

      If you understood logic, you wouldn't have said that.
      Nowhere did I allude to having the government drop everything leading to anarchy and chaos. What a liar you are.

      You think suffering is "good for the soul" or something sick like that, don't you?
      People like you disgust me.
      You seek to monopolize any humanitarian efforts so that you can minimize the help on purpose and pocket the rest.
      We have our govt helping more people than any religion in history. You want to shut down welfare without putting anything in its place to help people. Catholics don't want to help people, they want to see them suffer.
      You might fight for the non-existent rights of a clump of cells, but you won't do a damn thing to help once a fetus has come to term and has actually been born. You undermine every effort to help people and then turn around and say you are the only ones helping and that the government (which you hate because it is not a Pope-run theocracy) should not be allowed to help people.
      Religious hypocrites are trying to tear down our govt and are doing a lot towards that end. They want everyone to go to church instead of having a job, to pay money to the church instead of spending it where it will do the most good and other tactics like that.
      Maybe you aren't for these things, but you support the general idea, don't you?
      You want people to be self-sufficient without acknowledging that this is impossible for the majority of the world's population.
      You are unrealistic. Every religious believer is inherently unrealistic. Your "logic" is always flawed where your religion is concerned. Always.

      September 18, 2011 at 8:14 pm |
    • Keith

      Fieldmouse, You ASSume much. I have no use for the tea party. And since when does someone have to go to a country to comment about said country? The problem here is islam preventing the food from getting through. Just how much $ have you given to Compassion International, Cross International, or Samaritan's Purse or any other charity that tries to help these people? Thought so. So why don't you shut up.

      September 18, 2011 at 8:20 pm |
    • Ladervijd

      "...instead of using it for medicine to help the suffering under her thumb. "

      You in the U.S.? if so, where is universal free health care for everyone? All that medicine that could have been bought instead of a single nuke, phew.

      September 18, 2011 at 8:46 pm |
  20. kimsland

    The government give the churches money for free
    The church does not help these people the government (and poor people who donate) do

    September 18, 2011 at 8:00 am |
    • Ladervijd

      Money itself doesn't do anything. And, if you think that there are plenty of qualified doctors in Kenya, that everyone there has a bank account with no transfer fees, and that there are fast food outlets at every stone, then you are clearly misinformed or delusional.

      September 18, 2011 at 10:32 am |
    • George H

      A delusional piece of trash calls others delusional. How quaint.

      September 18, 2011 at 7:37 pm |
    • Ladervijd

      it is called a conditional, which you may have had noticed if you would have reading comprehension.

      September 18, 2011 at 8:05 pm |
    • George H

      It is a false argument, which I'm sure you already knew. You make up a bunch of stuff and then pretend the other person said it.
      My reading comprehension is fine. Your writing skills are lacking in honesty. You are a liar and love to bear false witness.
      That's what your "conditional" false argument shows to the world. That you are nothing but a pathetic human being.

      September 18, 2011 at 8:18 pm |
    • Ladervijd

      Want me to get on my knees and lick your a55?
      kimsland basically wrote that money/donations help per se.

      September 18, 2011 at 8:42 pm |
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