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A rough decade for American congregations
A new survey shows a decline in worship service attendance in the United States.
September 20th, 2011
04:43 PM ET

A rough decade for American congregations

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN) - A new decade-long survey of American congregations shows religious health and vitality are weaker than they were 10 years ago.  While the survey showed that many congregations are adopting new technologies and innovative worship, there were steep drops in financial health and attendance at weekly worship services.

The Hartford Institute for Religion Research released the study's findings Saturday in a report titled "A Decade of Change in American Congregations, 2000 – 2010" authored by David A. Roozen.

In the measured decade, churches, temples and synagogues told surveyors that congregations that were innovative and contemporary showed the highest amount of "high spiritual vitality."

Forty-seven percent of congregations that said their worship experience was "innovative and contemporary" reported high spiritual vitality, versus 17% that said their congregations were "neither innovative nor contemporary."

The vast majority of congregations implemented electronic communications in the past decade.  Recently, many have turned to social networking as well, with 41% using Facebook to communicate with congregants.

Congregations are also having hard times financially, the survey found.  In 2000, 31% of survey participants reported excellent financial health.  In 2010, that number plummeted to just 14%.

The recession, Roozen writes in the report, "affected nearly every kind of congregation equally – large and small; north, south, east and west; financially healthy or struggling before the recession. One bit of good news was that one in 10 congregations reported that by the time of the survey, they had already begun to recover."

Roozen writes that a variety of factors led to the decline, but overall, there are fewer Americans in the pews, and "... more than 1 in 4 American congregations had fewer than 50 in worship in 2010, and just under half had fewer than 100. Overall, median weekend worship attendance of your typical congregation dropped from 130 to 108 during the decade, according to the FACT surveys."

FACT refers to Faith Communities Today, a multifaith coalition that researches congregational life.

While megachurches - congregations with more than 2,000 members - continued to grow in popularity, they still represent only a fraction of American congregations, at one-half of 1%.  "And while it appears to be true they are attracting an ever bigger slice of the religious attender pie, it is a bigger slice of a shrinking pie," Roozen wrote.

The decline hit across religious and denominational lines, sparing no one, Roozen wrote. He said that "no single category or kind of congregation ... was exempt from the decadal downsizing of worship attendance."

The data came from Faith Communities Today surveys and represents 11,077 congregations and 120 denominations of Christian, Jewish, and Muslim traditions, the institute said.  Most often, the surveys were completed by the congregation's leader, and the institute estimates the margin of error to be plus or minus 4 percentage points.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Belief • Church

soundoff (2,018 Responses)
  1. snow

    Well I am glad people are finally seeing the light.. after being cooped up with head down in dark interiors of a mold filled, moth ridden old buildings. The next step for them is to live their life..

    September 20, 2011 at 8:41 pm |
    • opponent

      Amen!
      I was captive by religion as a child (those who say you have a choice, can go to... hell?) once I finally started to see the light, it started to unravel. It took several years for me to become an agnostic and my life, although a little late has been resurrected.

      All puns intended.

      Seriously, on the outside it may appear to be a force for good but I find myself to be a better person since I lost god. I tried to expand on this but people who were in similar situations should know what I mean.

      September 20, 2011 at 9:30 pm |
    • Jesus

      Form the article, "More than 1 in 4 American congregations had fewer than 50 in worship in 2010, and just under half had fewer than 100. Overall, median weekend worship attendance of your typical congregation dropped from 130 to 108 during the decade, according to the FACT surveys." Are many people getting smarter or are they, in this difficult economy, confronting REALITY and dismissing the unnecessary and ridiculous?

      September 21, 2011 at 8:26 am |
  2. when

    You may think crime rate is down but take a look at the woes in this world. Look at the state it is in. And before you go blaming every problem on religion please keep in mind communism erases religion from their society. Need I say more?

    September 20, 2011 at 7:28 pm |
    • Tax Man

      HELL NO!

      You need to SHUT THE HELL UP ALREADY AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE!

      September 20, 2011 at 7:30 pm |
    • think for yourself

      There is a lot of violence in this world. Most of it caused by "my god is better than your god".

      The bad economy in the US is due in large part to greed. The religious right supports this greed, even though their savior was supposedly a liberal.

      September 20, 2011 at 8:10 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      when, remember what God has done to the unbelievers.

      According as it is it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear; unto this day.

      Romans 11:8

      Whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.

      John 8:34-36

      Amen.

      September 20, 2011 at 8:11 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      think for yourself (LOL) who was conditioned by man ...

      In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

      2 Corinthians 4:4

      Amen.

      September 20, 2011 at 8:14 pm |
    • think for yourself

      You can keep quoting your fictional book, it doesn't change anything.

      Amen, aka, Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

      September 20, 2011 at 8:33 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      think for yourself, this is a free country. You have the right to stay the moron.

      Amen.

      September 20, 2011 at 8:52 pm |
    • Maybe you could buy a clue, but I doubt it ...

      Since when is Communism the only alternative to the convoluted systems of organized religions ?

      September 20, 2011 at 9:00 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Maybe you could buy a clue, but I doubt it ...look at Russia and where they are located? Cold as ice, and so are they. Look at the Egyptian kings and queens building their temples to worship themselves and what happened to them when they made themselves mini-god's? The Nile dried up and there is no link to royalty. All communist countries are walking, talking zombies, aka spiritually dead. All because the Kenites hide within their ranks to divide and conquer. That's how the Kenites got you atheists on their side.

      Amen.

      September 20, 2011 at 9:10 pm |
    • think for yourself

      HS
      If blindly following and quoting an ancient book of myths without asking questions is your definition of being smart, then yes you can call me a moron. Do you have any original thoughts of your own or can you only quote?

      Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

      September 20, 2011 at 9:24 pm |
    • John Richardson

      And more history: Both the first and second temples were destroyed. Rome went Christian and fell. Christianity is in severe decline in its old European stronghold.

      September 20, 2011 at 9:28 pm |
    • Badguy

      THe Soviets disliked religion because it sided with the czarist regime. Modern progressives in the US dislike religion because it sided with the right wing, Republican regime. What IS this fascination religion has with wealth and power?Certainly nothing Jesus Christ would have approved of!

      September 21, 2011 at 9:02 am |
    • Nat Q

      And, just for the sake of reference, when exactly was the world ever woe-free? You act like we've fallen, fallen from what, exactly?

      Was the world a "better" place during WWII? WWI? The Dark Ages? The Crusades? The slaughtering of native Americans? During widespread slavery? When exactly was this golden age that we seem to have fallen from?

      September 21, 2011 at 10:07 am |
    • Follix

      Beside North Korea and maybe Cuba, communism doesn't exist on the Earth. Communism is something highly idealistic and so is religion by the way.

      September 21, 2011 at 10:25 am |
  3. when

    Why do you ask a human to show you God? Go and ask God. He gives wisedom freely and reveals Himself to those who sincerely seek Him. I found Him in my late twenties after I'd explored many false religions. I went to His Word. I don't see other religious books with a perfect track record on prophesy. Everything has been fullfilled to the letter except the last days events and they have begun. They are unfolding before our eyes and the stage is being set. God's word will never pass away. The days are short. Seek Him while He can still be found.

    September 20, 2011 at 7:22 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      I asked god to show himself to me, many times, for many years. Now I'm old, and tired of waiting, and no longer believe that he exists. If he really exists, and that bothers him, then that's his problem not mine.

      September 20, 2011 at 7:41 pm |
    • think for yourself

      Talking to yourself is easy. You can get any reply you want from yourself. Capitalizing words such as "he", "him", "god", etc. does not change the fact that you are talking to yourself.

      September 20, 2011 at 7:53 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      EnjaySea, God knows what’s in your heart, therefore, are you truly seeking Him?

      In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

      2 Corinthians 4:4

      Amen.

      September 20, 2011 at 8:16 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      2 Corinthians 4

      1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;

      2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

      3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

      4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

      5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

      6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness *, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

      7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

      8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;

      9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;

      10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

      11 For we which live are alway * delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

      12 So then death worketh in us, but life in you.

      13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

      14 Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.

      15 For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God.

      16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

      17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;

      18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

      Amen.

      September 20, 2011 at 8:18 pm |
    • Bucky Ball

      @think for yourself
      Interesting comments. There are a few of us linguists here who have been saying those things for a LONG time. It IS a form of "self talk", (are they trying to convince themselves, thinking if they repeat the crazy talk enough times, it won't sound so crazy?). 😈

      September 20, 2011 at 9:02 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      It is God who gives wisdom to the mind and understanding to the heart (Job 38:36; Proverbs 2:6), and it is God who causes confusion and madness (e.g. Deuteronomy 28:28; Zechariah 12:4). If a person is "out of his mind" it is because he does not trust Christ. It is a symptom of the reality of having a debased mind and still being lost in sin (Romans 1:28). The only real lasting answer to this, the only real salvation from this, is Jesus Christ (John 8:34-36).

      Amen.

      September 20, 2011 at 9:13 pm |
    • Outrageous

      HeavenSent...

      How DARE you accuse EnjaySea (or anyone else) of not trying hard enough, and it being their fault that they don't see, hear and feel your "God".

      The god you believe in picks favorites, hardens hearts, softens hearts and all sorts of wondrous things - right from the beginning of that stupid book - the Hebrews are the "chosen ones" - my left butt cheek. What an arrogant cabal of ethnocentrists those primitive storytellers were - and you buy into it?!

      September 20, 2011 at 10:14 pm |
    • Jesus

      Seeking God??? GIVE ME AN ADDRESS!!! As a mere child I'd ask, where does He live, how come we never see him, how come He doesn't speak to us on radio or TV, how come everyone seems to look up to the sky (as if He lives there) and yet we've been up there and saw NOTHING. No intelligent answers were ever given me.

      September 21, 2011 at 8:30 am |
    • EnjaySea

      Yes HeavenSent I was TRULY searching for him. I don't accept the blame. Instead, I declare that I am totally sure there is no god out there listening to the mumblings of man. And your bizarre claim that you know the mind of this beast is fantastically ridiculous.

      September 21, 2011 at 3:46 pm |
  4. when

    Of course, I do not know the day or the hour that Jesus will return. I did not claim to. The O.T. has hundreds of prophesies concerning the first Coming of the Messiah. Jesus fullfilled them all. Jesus, the O.T. and the N.T. has given us an abundance of signs to make us aware of when the Second Coming draws near. There are plenty being fullfilled and those whose eyes are open are aware.

    September 20, 2011 at 6:59 pm |
    • think for yourself

      The second coming has been predicted many times, but we are still here. All of the ranting about how humanity needs to repent, because Jesus is returning...hmm sounds familiar to something else I heard as a child...now what was that?

      ...oh yeah. It sounds like "you better watch out, you better not cry, you better not pout, I'm telling you why. Santa Claus is coming to town". Replace Santa with Jesus and you get your "prophecy".

      September 20, 2011 at 8:07 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      think for yourself, pay close attention to # 36. If any one predicts the end of the world, they are just as big as a liar as atheists.

      Matthew 24

      24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

      24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

      24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately *, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be ? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

      24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

      24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

      24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

      24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

      24:8 All * these are the beginning of sorrows.

      24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

      24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

      24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

      24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

      24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

      24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

      24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand (5756) in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

      24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

      24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

      24:18 * Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

      24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

      24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

      24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

      24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

      24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

      24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

      24:25 Behold, I have told you before.

      24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

      24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

      24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

      24:29 Immediately * after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

      24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

      24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other *.

      24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

      24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

      24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till * all these things be fulfilled.

      24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

      24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

      24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

      24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

      24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

      24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

      24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

      24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

      24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

      24:44 Therefore * be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

      24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

      24:46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

      24:47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

      24:48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

      24:49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

      24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

      24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

      Amen.

      September 20, 2011 at 8:27 pm |
    • think for yourself

      Atheists just don't see any evidence of your beliefs. That doesn't mean they are not being truthful. The difference is if somehow Christians could show one small bit of proof of their beliefs, most atheists would concede. To the Christian sheeplings, no proof is needed and no matter how much evidence there is against their beliefs, they will not concede.

      Your book is not proof of anything. But keep quoting, as it shows how your book is doing the thinking for you.

      September 20, 2011 at 8:38 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      think for yourself, you wrote "Atheists just don't see any evidence of your beliefs. That doesn't mean they are not being truthful. The difference is if somehow Christians could show one small bit of proof of their beliefs, most atheists would concede. To the Christian sheeplings, no proof is needed and no matter how much evidence there is against their beliefs, they will not concede. Your book is not proof of anything. But keep quoting, as it shows how your book is doing the thinking for you."

      Answer: God made all, meaning the stars, the moon, the sun, all the planets, the world, you, all of us, the rain, the snow, the flowers, the trees, the oceans, the brooks, the lakes etc. etc. etc. Listen to the first breaths of life when a baby's cries it's first cry.

      Yes, God made all. Not your scientists. Science is uncovering the truth of God. You're so full of yourself that you can't see the facts of His truth. All I can say is humble yourself. Ask Jesus for forgiveness. Sin no more ... then ask Jesus if you can get closer to Him ... for that is the ultimate journey.

      Amen.

      September 20, 2011 at 9:00 pm |
    • DrJStrangepork

      HeavenSent... Where is your proof the Christian God is the one that did the heavy lifting in creation? Why wasn't it Allah or Ra? Why were the Norse and Greeks wrong? What evidence do you have that your subscription is the correct one? Answer that first.

      September 21, 2011 at 10:28 am |
  5. Pippa

    A new term 'high spiritual vitality', glad to hear that the focus is more on being 'spiritual' and lead a Christ centered life rather than appearing religious.

    Amen to that!

    September 20, 2011 at 6:43 pm |
    • Jesus

      "High spiritual vitality" means Churches that provide ENTERTAINMENT. Guitar strumming, choirs singing, and preachers telling jokes or spinning fascinating tales....entertainment value brings them in. Focusing strictly on Constantine's novel (the Bible) is keeping them out.

      September 21, 2011 at 8:34 am |
  6. PRISM 1234

    Those statistics are not surprising. America and the rest of the Western world has become spiritually anemic, deficient of true substance, and the spirit of life that is supposed to posses, which those who long to know God seek, and are able to recognize whether it is present or not in the midst of congregations they go to. Those people who are TRULY seeking God are disillusioned with today's organized religion. They see reality, because God ALLOWS them to see it.

    So, what God is doing, it's not necessarily showing up in the statistic numbers.
    We are living in times spoken of in the Word of God, called Time of great falling away. They will retain their outward form, even cling to the Name of Jesus, but they will reject the Spirit of Truth... They will make up to themselves God of their own imaginations, according to their own likings. and they will reject Christ of the Scriptures, of whom the Spirit of Truth , who is the Holy Spirit of God tes-tifies. Although they will loose some true believers, they will at-tract many who are like them. But God WILL NOT be in their midst.

    When most of the Church (present Christendom) falls to this apostasy, God will raise up His true people, but it won't be in great man made temples or cathedrals, with congregations of thousands.... He will do it like He is doing it in the what we here call 3rd world countries ( I wonder what God thinks who's the 1st, and who's the 3'rd!) .
    His people will shine as lights in the darkness, they will be everywhere, yet hidden from the eyes of the world. GOD has promised that He will raise His church, and those words are set in stone.

    When the Man of sin, the anti-Christ comes, as foretold in the Scriptures , the present day church will not recognise him who he is, nor will have any problem paying allegiance to him. But God's people will KNOW!

    It's also worth to mention that the present day church has heeded to erroneous teachings, and therefore has robed many true believers of spiritual alertness, by giving them false hope of being "raptured" before comming of the Great Tribulation foretold in the Scriptures, reserved for the Last days. There will NOT BE an early exit for God's Church, it is nowhere to be found in the Word of God. On the contrary, we are told that we will be here through those times. So, it is not in the numbers that the true condition of God's Kingdom is being defined!

    In the Book of Daniel these words summ it up this way:
    "GO your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shal be purified, and made white, and tried, but the wicked shall do wickedly. And none of the wicked shall understand. But THE WISE SHALL UNDERSTAND.

    September 20, 2011 at 6:25 pm |
    • Allan

      No, religion is just going away. As it should and inevitably will, when societies advance.

      September 20, 2011 at 6:47 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      > Those statistics are not surprising.

      You're right, they're not.

      > America and the rest of the Western world has become spiritually anemic, deficient of true substance, and the spirit of life that is supposed to posses, which those who long to know God seek, and are able to recognize whether it is present or not in the midst of congregations they go to.

      What is this true substance that you speak of? And why is it that you have the source of the truth and no one else? Couldn't you be wrong?

      > Those people who are TRULY seeking God are disillusioned with today's organized religion. They see reality, because God ALLOWS them to see it.

      And this statement can be equally made for Islam, Hinduism or Judiasm. So what's the point?

      > So, what God is doing, it's not necessarily showing up in the statistic numbers.

      Yes, God has a habit of not showing up in any meaningful way in what would be considered evidence.

      > We are living in times spoken of in the Word of God, called Time of great falling away.

      This falling away is by your own God's design is it not? I mean, he created you and knows what you're going to do, so therefore you cannot choose.

      > They will retain their outward form, even cling to the Name of Jesus, but they will reject the Spirit of Truth...

      How do we determine what the spirit of truth wants? How do I know you have the correct knowledge and not Akbar the muslim? By what method do you suggest we find out?

      > They will make up to themselves God of their own imaginations, according to their own likings. and they will reject Christ of the Scriptures, of whom the Spirit of Truth , who is the Holy Spirit of God tes-tifies.

      Actually, that's what you're doing. You're taking your own concept of God, asserting that you know the truth and then modeling God after it. For all you know, the bible could be wrong. Zeus could be the real God. If you don't have a way to determine what is and isn't true, how can you know?

      > Although they will loose some true believers, they will at-tract many who are like them. But God WILL NOT be in their midst.

      So says you, with nothing but what you believe to back it up.

      > When most of the Church (present Christendom) falls to this apostasy, God will raise up His true people, but it won't be in great man made temples or cathedrals, with congregations of thousands.... He will do it like He is doing it in the what we here call 3rd world countries ( I wonder what God thinks who's the 1st, and who's the 3'rd!) .

      I wonder if you'll ever have a coherant point.

      > His people will shine as lights in the darkness, they will be everywhere, yet hidden from the eyes of the world. GOD has promised that He will raise His church, and those words are set in stone.

      Poetic words have no bearing on what will really occur. Why do you take so much time to write in symbolism instead of actually having a point that we can discuss. I think I know why. Because you have no point. You have no argument.

      > When the Man of sin, the anti-Christ comes, as foretold in the Scriptures , the present day church will not recognise him who he is, nor will have any problem paying allegiance to him. But God's people will KNOW!

      More baseless statements. Yawn.

      > It's also worth to mention that the present day church has heeded to erroneous teachings,

      So you say based on your interpretation of the bible and personal opinion.

      > and therefore has robed many true believers of spiritual alertness, by giving them false hope of being "raptured" before comming of the Great Tribulation foretold in the Scriptures, reserved for the Last days.

      If such an event will occur, which it quite possibly will not.

      > There will NOT BE an early exit for God's Church, it is nowhere to be found in the Word of God. On the contrary, we are told that we will be here through those times. So, it is not in the numbers that the true condition of God's Kingdom is being defined!

      So says your interpretation of what the bible says.

      > In the Book of Daniel these words summ it up this way:

      Who cares what the book of Daniel has to say. What can the book of Daniel prove?

      > "GO your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shal be purified, and made white, and tried, but the wicked shall do wickedly. And none of the wicked shall understand. But THE WISE SHALL UNDERSTAND.

      This is the arrogance of Christianity, well, to be fair, of all religion. They sit back and think they're the sole channel to God a power greater then them. They want so badly to avoid death and live in paradise that they build this concept of God in their head, based on their beliefs and reinforce it over and over.

      They can never be wrong because they have faith. Forget the fact that other people have faith and think they're right.

      These people are lost and the only way we can move forward is to show their sillyness to prevent others from being infected.

      September 20, 2011 at 6:48 pm |
    • Old-Timer

      don't feed the trolls

      September 20, 2011 at 7:11 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      @ Bobinator
      You said "How do we determine what the spirit of truth wants? How do I know you have the correct knowledge and not Akbar the muslim? By what method do you suggest we find out?"

      Well, my dear, by your own questions you have already shown that if you had truth staring you in the face you'd not recognize it! So, why should anyone try to address your questions. It's a sad, even hopeless shape to be in, when a person can not RECOGNIZE the truth. Therefore it's no wonder the you and those alike, fall for any kind of rubbish served to you by "experts" which come in abundance these days, their "expert" opinions coming to you at " dime a dozen"......
      But suit yourself...... it is usually those who have something in their inmost being that causes them to HATE the truth, that they stiffen their necks in pride in face of any wisdom given to them that will point them to the truth they ( falsely) claim they want to know, but can not recognize.... That's where you and many on these blogs are, ever learning, but NEVER coming to the knowledge of truth!
      Someone much greater then you spoke those words, and they stood the test of time, and their truth is set in stone, friend!

      September 20, 2011 at 7:18 pm |
    • Allan

      @PRISM 1234, nice personal attack on The Bobinator. Nice. You must be a solid Christian.

      Next time try for some substance. Start from some evidence or a hypothesis. Put an argument together. Or can you?

      September 20, 2011 at 7:23 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      @ Allen
      Since you decided to point finger at MY character and MY Christianity with your remark above, here are the words of Christ Himself on which mine are based on:
      " For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. He who believes in him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of god. AND THIS IS THE CONDEMNATION, THAT THE LIGHT HAS COME INTO THE WORLD, AND MEN LOVED DARKNESS RATHER THAN LIGHT, BECAUSE THEIR DEEDS WERE EVIL. FOR EVERYONE PRACTICING EVIL HATES THE LIGHT AND DOES NOT COME TO THE LIGHT, LEST HIS DEEDS SHOULD BE EXPOSED. BUT HE WHO DOES THE TRUTH COMES TO THE LIGHT, THAT HIS DEEDS MAY BE CLEARLY SEEN, THAT THEY HAVE BEEN DONE IN God"

      Say, Allen, is this Christ's personal attack on Bobinators of this world, or is He speaking directly to their core problem , revealing the condition of their hearts?
      Any further thoughts on this?

      September 20, 2011 at 8:17 pm |
    • think for yourself

      Prism, step back a second. Use your brain and think. Use your 5 senses. Can you recognize "the truth" in front of you? There is no personal god, you are just talking to yourself.

      You keep referring to "the truth", which is no doubt your way of referring to your holy book. A book written by other humans, revised countless times. How can you live by a 2,000 year old collection of such stories that do not make sense in our world? Your beliefs, I am sorry, but they just don't fit in with reality. Is it really surprising that less and less people are going to church? I honestly can't believe so many still do, but I guess that's what child indoctrination can do.

      For generations, yes the stories of Jesus have survived, but sometimes people forget that the ones who spoke out against these stories were killed off. Thankfully we don't live in such dark ages any longer.

      We do not need religion for moral purposes. Religion changes their values to match the changing morals of society, not the other way around as claimed. Did the bible tell us to not have slaves or to let women vote? No, we decided on our own without the support of the bible (and in fact partially against what the bible says).

      Next time you think god is talking to you, why don't you try staring truth in the face. And all that would require is to look in the mirror to see who you are really talking to.

      September 20, 2011 at 8:24 pm |
    • Old Timer

      see?

      September 20, 2011 at 8:29 pm |
    • John Richardson

      The truth is in front of YOU, Prism! When are you going to wake up from your dream world and see it?

      September 20, 2011 at 8:49 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Allan, do you or do you not know the difference between man made religion and Jesus' truth?

      Amen.

      September 20, 2011 at 9:02 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Oh, well no answer. God's truth (written how many years ago) said this about the end generation.

      2 Timothy 3:12-4:4

      12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
      13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
      14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
      15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
      16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
      17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

      Amen.

      September 20, 2011 at 9:20 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      Here is my last post for today... cuz I've got work to do, folks!
      You go your way, and believe what you want. I will go mine and believe in what I KNOW is the truth. For me to explain WHY I know it would be like telling to a blind man what the trees and clouds look like....

      But we all are destined to meet that appointment, the day of departure, when our bodies lay still lifeless, and that part of us that is immortal will leave it's former dwelling place. I know some of you say that too is foolishness, but denying it to be so, won't change the fact that it is so!

      Then, dear folks, you will face the grim reality of separation from God who gave you life , and gave you all abilities to know Him, but you refused Him because you let your own pride and puffed up knowledge deaden your hearts, and silenced the voices of your consciences on which was written the knowledge of your creator, numbing them to the point of being dead, and therewith have denied your own souls. I'm sorry that it is so, because it was not meant to be so. But God did not create us to be puppets, so we all have a free will by which you can decide.
      Good night to all!

      September 20, 2011 at 9:28 pm |
    • John Richardson

      @Prism It is those who are smugly certain that they will be saved and others not like them damned who are puffed up with a truly repugnant moral arrogance that might, just might displease Someone down the road! Think about it!

      September 20, 2011 at 9:34 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      > Well, my dear, by your own questions you have already shown that if you had truth staring you in the face you'd not recognize it!

      So you don't acutally intelligently figure out what you believe. You just feel that it's the truth.

      > So, why should anyone try to address your questions.

      Because my questions make sense. I'm asking you why it is you believe what you believe besides "I feel this way" because that's not a pathway to truth. Different people feel different things, and their truth will be differnt from your truth. How is it that I'm supposed to determine who is right and wrong?

      > It's a sad, even hopeless shape to be in, when a person can not RECOGNIZE the truth.

      You simply assert it's the truth over and over. You don't actually have any real reason to believe it do you? Which is probably why you're dodging my questions.

      > Therefore it's no wonder the you and those alike, fall for any kind of rubbish served to you by "experts" which come in abundance these days, their "expert" opinions coming to you at " dime a dozen"......

      I would guess that you're railing against scientific knowledge here. Can't tell because it's so poorly written. Let me say this. The experiments that are claimed to work by scientists can be repeated by me. I can go out and try it. I cannot do this with supernatural events. Furthermore, science operates within the bounds of the laws of the universe we have, supernatural ones don't. Therefore I attribute a higher confidence in these things.

      > But suit yourself...... it is usually those who have something in their inmost being that causes them to HATE the truth, that they stiffen their necks in pride in face of any wisdom given to them that will point them to the truth they ( falsely) claim they want to know, but can not recognize....

      Aw, is that you giving up? Is that you trying to rationalize your belief. It's not us that are bringing valid points and questions, it's clearly that we can't see the truth and we're flawed. The truth has nothing to fear from critical examination. If the bible is true, there should be no objection from the faithful that we pick it apart and examine it.

      But that's just the thing, it's not true, it makes several mistakes and generally is a poor record of history. Of course, the majority of people know this, but pretend it's not so that they can go on believing that they're not going to die and that their loved ones aren't really gone.

      > That's where you and many on these blogs are, ever learning, but NEVER coming to the knowledge of truth!

      We'll never come to the knowledge of the truth as you say because your God chose to give his message through burning bushes, faith and other such nonsense. Instead of evidence. Your God is incredibly stupid if it wants to achieve it's goal of spreading his message. Now, does this sound like the work of an all knowing intelligent God? Or does this sound like the work of illiterate and ignorant peasants who are trying to explain the world?

      > Someone much greater then you spoke those words, and they stood the test of time, and their truth is set in stone, friend!

      Sorry, I'm more moral then Jesus. I for one wouldn't tell people they will go to hell for not believing in what I'd say. I for one wouldn't waste expensive oil so that I can smell good rather then feeding the poor. I for one would not encourage excess drinking. I for one wouldn't advise people to leave their families. I for one wouldn't tell people to pay no heed to the morrow.

      I'm more moral then Jesus or your God because of these things. And the reality is that I'm not being arrogant, I'm simply looking at the nonsense and evil your own bible says they did.

      September 21, 2011 at 10:00 am |
  7. when

    ...if there IS a next generation. And yes, each generation is more wicked than the last.

    September 20, 2011 at 6:00 pm |
    • Just Sayin

      Although the crime rates keep goin down.

      Ain't reality a ______...

      Just sayin...

      September 20, 2011 at 6:04 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      More wicked = further away from the bible for this tool.

      The reality is that as we learn more, develop our morals we see why the bible is wrong. For example...
      – It's not ok to sacrifice a human being.
      – It's not ok to have a slave.
      – It's not ok to force a woman to marry her rapist.
      – It's not a sin to eat shellfish.
      – It's not an abombination to wear clothing made out of more then one type of fabric.
      – It's not wrong to plant two types of seeds in the same furrow.

      And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

      The reality is that people are slowly being allowed to express themselves and say "I don't believe in this nonsense" anymore. Because that's what it is, nonsense. The problem is that this nonsense sells an idea that people like. Eternal bliss, not having to face the reality of loved ones dying and most importantly, the ability to cheat death themselves.

      The only way this nonsense can exist is to indoctrinate the children. Let them choose when they reach 18 years of age, see how many take the opportunity. I doubt you'd get many.

      The bible, quran, torah and every other holy book is just a pile of nonsense written by ancient men as the first attempt at culture and law. That's the reality.

      September 20, 2011 at 6:55 pm |
    • leecherius

      Just sayin...tell that to the mexicans

      September 20, 2011 at 7:14 pm |
    • Terry

      Leecherius, crime rates fluctuate and there are local areas of concern for sure, but overall even in Mexico (the country, not Mexico City) murder and theft rates declined in 1990-2005. Google turns up a lot about this.

      Maybe the past few years will show a jump in crime when the starts are in, but if they do get the gangs under control there, then things will likely go like the rest of the continent: down. See e,g, here
      http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1963761,00.html

      Just Sayin seems to have a case for what he/she is just sayin.

      September 20, 2011 at 7:34 pm |
    • Terry

      *stats*, not starts...

      September 20, 2011 at 7:35 pm |
    • think for yourself

      It's too bad that the crazies who thought the rapture would happen in May weren't right. They vanish to their "heaven", and leave the nonbelievers here on Earth. The true heaven would have been for those left on Earth. No more fanatics...well...at least one less group of them!

      September 20, 2011 at 8:42 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      It's funny how you non-believers constantly stir up the lies about Jesus' truth, especially the rapture theory that is not written in the Bible. All other truth you reject, but the lies of man you repeat?

      Evil is as evil does.

      Amen.

      September 20, 2011 at 9:23 pm |
    • John Richardson

      @HeavenSent We know that the rapture won't happen. You're gonna have to take up your fight with your many fellow Christians who ardently believe in it.

      September 20, 2011 at 9:26 pm |
  8. Dave Davis

    Reality, I am guessing this "Belief" site is the nearest thing you and Mr. Demoth, et al, have for a "SANCTUARY" you are all here a-plenty.

    September 20, 2011 at 5:49 pm |
    • bill

      david – i think down deep inside they are seeking something more in being, and it compells them, or perhaps, they find themselves here.

      September 20, 2011 at 5:52 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      > David – i think down deep inside they are seeking something more in being, and it compells them, or perhaps, they find themselves here.

      Nope, that's the nonsense you tell yourself to avoid looking at our arguments or considering our position.

      The reason I'm here is that I have my freedoms restricted by nothing more then what people choose to believe.

      I have no objection to being denied freedoms if there is a valid reason, but to suggest "You can't do this because my holy book says you can't" is nonsense.

      I'm here to try and prevent other people from having their mind infected by the sludge of religion like your mind has been. You are so lost you even cannot see when you're making assumptions about your opponents to prevent your ideas from being challenged.

      September 20, 2011 at 6:59 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Non-believers are on this site to cause chaos. They are the lie and reject any of His truth. Pure and simple. The light of Jesus repels them.

      Amen.

      September 20, 2011 at 9:25 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      > Non-believers are on this site to cause chaos. They are the lie and reject any of His truth. Pure and simple. The light of Jesus repels them.

      Allow me to translate.

      These people ask difficult questions that we cannot answer. Therefore we're going to say they are deficient in some way so that we can justify to ourselves that their arguments and questions aren't valid. That way we can go on believing what we want to believe without any reason to do so.

      Thanks Heavensent for showing what the Christian faith is all about. Ignoring reasonable questions to preserve your beliefs.

      September 21, 2011 at 10:03 am |
  9. J.W

    Why is it a bad thing if services are not innovative and contemporary. I like having a more traditional service.

    September 20, 2011 at 5:45 pm |
    • bill

      agreed JW

      September 20, 2011 at 5:49 pm |
    • Just Sayin

      I like it when I get serviced well.

      Traditional or other, know what I mean, say no more..., say no more...

      Just sayin...

      September 20, 2011 at 5:50 pm |
    • Allan

      SAY NO MORE.

      Love me some well-situated Python.

      September 20, 2011 at 5:54 pm |
    • About that cheese...

      She's not a well woman.

      September 20, 2011 at 7:32 pm |
    • dave836

      Agreed JW. I hate modernized churches.

      September 20, 2011 at 9:29 pm |
  10. Just Sayin

    Those priests get rougher on the congregations and altar boys every year. MMA material, some of those guys, after a decade.

    Just sayin....

    September 20, 2011 at 5:40 pm |
    • Dave Davis

      My godness, you and Mr. Demoth sure seem to think a lot about little boys....

      September 20, 2011 at 5:57 pm |
    • bill

      I think a lot about you too Dave, and I know you think about me.

      September 20, 2011 at 6:01 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      How would you know Just Sayin? Are you secretly sneaking into services all around the globe?

      Amen.

      September 20, 2011 at 9:27 pm |
  11. bill

    when i first read the majority of these posts my reaction was "my god, what poor *astards" stuck in their mind sense of existance.Then i thought, what the heck, they can always come back and do their time in this hell if they like. I should add too that you are making a great error if you think not going or giving more to the houses of worships or congregations means that we no longer believe in god.

    September 20, 2011 at 5:39 pm |
    • Just Sayin

      Hate ta break it to ya bill, but.... not like you say.

      Just sayin...

      September 20, 2011 at 5:42 pm |
    • bill

      just saying – no sweat off ny back what you decide and do with your life. but if what you and the others just want to focus on is tearing down others and their beliefs, then that is a low and hallow form of existance.

      September 20, 2011 at 5:48 pm |
    • Just Sayin

      Hallow be your word, bill. Thank you for that. A bit stuck on the holy roly words today are we?

      But not much tearing down to do for your case...

      Just sayin...

      September 20, 2011 at 5:52 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      > no sweat off ny back what you decide and do with your life. but if what you and the others just want to focus on is tearing down others and their beliefs, then that is a low and hallow form of existance.

      How can you judge something you don't understand. The reality is that you're saying my live is low and hallow because you don't like what I do.

      The reality is that for me and my children to live in a rational and intelligent society, we need to have ideas that are based on evidence and reality dictate law, not ideas that are based on belief and feelings.

      Ideas are meant to be challenged. The only reason you don't like people challenging your faith is deep down you know that you have no reason to believe in it except that it makes you feel good.

      The truth has nothing to fear from investigation and critical examination.

      September 20, 2011 at 7:02 pm |
  12. when

    Thank and Praise you Lord Jesus. Another importand sign of the last days. The great apostacy! Every single piece is right on schedule. Praise God!

    September 20, 2011 at 5:32 pm |
    • Just Sayin

      Yeah, that schedule...come on, share the secret. Tell us the date.

      Oh, you don't know it? Uh huh...

      Just sayin...

      September 20, 2011 at 5:46 pm |
    • .

      But I've finished with the mediocre Apostasy yet...

      September 20, 2011 at 5:47 pm |
    • Dave Davis

      Just sayin' ....you are some kind of Scriptural ignorant. If we did know the "Day or the Hour" your kind still would not listen.... Y'know, after all, Im just sayin'...

      September 20, 2011 at 5:53 pm |
    • Right

      @when..."Every single piece is right on schedule."

      Suuuure... even if you have to squish and squash, bend and fold, mush and mash the pieces into place.

      Remind me never to do a jigsaw puzzle after you have contended with it!

      September 20, 2011 at 5:53 pm |
    • Allan

      So the schedule isn't known, but everything is claimed to be on schedule. Riiiiiiiiggghhhht.

      Religious delusion, nothing more needs to be said.

      September 20, 2011 at 5:58 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      > Thank and Praise you Lord Jesus. Another importand sign of the last days. The great apostacy! Every single piece is right on schedule. Praise God!

      Why do you long for death, long for an ending to everything?

      September 20, 2011 at 7:03 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      He was scheduled to return "in the lifetimes" of the 1st century followers. So since Jesus doesn't lie, he has already been back and gone. End of story.

      September 20, 2011 at 7:53 pm |
  13. Tobias

    When the Millenials have children, many will never bring them to church. The next generation will be even more irreligious than this one.

    September 20, 2011 at 5:29 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      Yeppers. Religion is dying. If you pardon the joke, thank god.

      September 20, 2011 at 7:04 pm |
  14. Tax Man

    THEY MUST BE TAXED! NO EXCEPTIONS!!

    September 20, 2011 at 5:05 pm |
    • Reality

      There are different opinions as to what a religion really is or what a non-profit is. To be fair therefore, there should be no tax-exemptions for any group and that includes the Democratic and Republican Parties, the American Red Cross and the ACLU.

      September 20, 2011 at 5:10 pm |
    • Dave Davis

      Mr. Reality does have a point. We Christians have not been forced to pay taxes as a body of believers since the founding of the United States. All non-Anglican Christians paid taxes to Great Brittain for not attending the King's Anglican services. Since the Founding however, we have been free of this yoke. I might consider the taxation of our Christian churches to be quite fair ONLY if ALL religeons(including Bhuddists, Krishna, Muslim, Non-sectarian and Judeo-groups) are taxed equally. Also, as Reality has pointed out, all tax-exempt groups who cross over the line into the realm of commerce( good-wills) should be taxed, as well.

      September 20, 2011 at 5:40 pm |
    • J.W

      So like what if I start up a Bible study with 5 other guys and tell them each to give me 10 dollars to buy a book. Should I have to pay taxes on that?

      September 20, 2011 at 5:54 pm |
    • jmb2fly

      President Obama, is that you?

      September 20, 2011 at 6:25 pm |
    • Tax Man

      NO TAX-FREE STATUS TO ANY ORGANIZATION! NO EXCEPTIONS!!

      September 20, 2011 at 6:47 pm |
  15. Tax Man

    THEY MUST BE TAXED! NO EXCEPTIONS!!!!!

    September 20, 2011 at 5:01 pm |
    • Dave Davis

      Does this include the NAACP and the ACLU?

      September 20, 2011 at 5:41 pm |
    • Tax Man

      EEEEEVVERRYONNE!!!! NO EXCEPTIONS ANYWHERE!!! How hard is that to understand? EVERYONE WITH NO EXCEPTIONS!!!

      September 20, 2011 at 6:44 pm |
    • Jesus

      Tax them out of existence!! Religion businesses and their huckster leaders are the last major legal con game in the USA.

      September 21, 2011 at 8:37 am |
  16. hippypoet

    because god is not real, any more confused people as to why the worshipping has dropped... no good... yeah for truth!

    September 20, 2011 at 5:01 pm |
  17. William Demuth

    Plus that addiction to boys bung holes certainly put a crimp in their finances!

    September 20, 2011 at 4:52 pm |
    • Reality

      Why did today's pope, prelates, preachers and rabbis, so focused on society's se-xual sins, lose sight of clerical se-xual sins?
      "
      FEAR, SHAME and GUILT and COVER IT ALL UP!!!

      Obviously ordination in any religion is not assurance of good behavior !!!!!

      Neither is coronation!!! e.g. Henry VIII, King David.

      Neither is marriage as 50% of those men convicted of pedophilia are married. (keep your kids away from married men)

      Neither is being elected president of the USA!! e.g. Billy "I did not have se-x with that girl" Clinton, John "Marilyn Monroe" Kennedy"

      Neither is possessing super athletic skill!!! e.g. Tiger "I am so sorry for getting caught" Woods

      Neither is being an atheist or pagan since pedophilia is present in all walks of life

      If someone is guilty of a crime in this litany of "neithers" they should or should have been penalized as the law dictates to include jail terms for pedophiliacs (priests, rabbis, evangelicals, boy scout leaders, married men/women), divorce for adultery (Clinton, Kennedy, Woods), jail terms for obstruction of justice (Clinton, Cardinal Law, B16) and the death penalty or life in prison for murder ("Kings David and Henry VIII).

      September 20, 2011 at 5:04 pm |
    • Deth2Religion

      That's Reality's way of saying "Hi".

      September 20, 2011 at 5:07 pm |
    • Dave Davis

      What is a "bung-hole"? My mind doesn't run in the same 'rut' as your's I don't reckon.

      September 20, 2011 at 5:55 pm |
    • Old-Timer

      Wow, looks like someone doesn't know how to google.

      Welcome to the internet!

      September 20, 2011 at 7:10 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      So are you the bunger the bungee or both?Your perpetual fascination with the act says more about who you are than all the other bs you spew.You can "tell" now. God bless

      September 20, 2011 at 8:38 pm |
  18. William Demuth

    We have the dogs on the ropes!

    Soon we move in for the kill!

    September 20, 2011 at 4:52 pm |
    • J.W

      You are going to kill us? That isn't very atheist of you.

      September 20, 2011 at 5:41 pm |
    • Dave Davis

      Exactly what are trying to say, here? If this is figuretively, it would be bad enough. If you are a big enough dummy to think that this "kill" can literal, you DO have some issues......

      September 20, 2011 at 5:46 pm |
    • John Richardson

      William has issues. No doubt about it. But I do think he was speaking figuratively in THIS instance.

      September 20, 2011 at 8:52 pm |
  19. .

    Thank God!

    September 20, 2011 at 4:51 pm |
  20. Reality

    One more time:

    Recognizing the flaws, follies and frauds in the foundations of Islam, Judaism and Christianity, the "bowers", kneelers" and "pew peasants" are converging these religions into some simple rules of life. No koran, bible, clerics, nuns, monks, imams, evangelicals, ayatollahs, rabbis, professors of religion or priests needed or desired.

    Ditto for houses of "worthless worship" aka mosques, churches, basilicas, cathedrals, religious cultural centers, temples and synagogues.

    September 20, 2011 at 4:47 pm |
    • .........

      hit report abuse to all reality posts spam alert

      September 20, 2011 at 8:06 pm |
    • Outrageous

      Poster @"......."

      Stop it, you annoying little weasel. Rebut or ignore and move along.

      September 20, 2011 at 10:36 pm |
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