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Why young Christians aren't waiting anymore
A young Christian at an purity rally spreads the word.
September 27th, 2011
08:39 AM ET

Why young Christians aren't waiting anymore

By John Blake,  CNN

(CNN) –True love doesn’t wait after all.

That’s the implication in the upcoming October issue of an evangelical magazine that claims that young, unmarried Christians are having premarital sex almost as much as their non-Christian peers.

The article in Relevant magazine, entitled “(Almost) Everyone’s Doing It,” cited several studies examining the sexual activity of single Christians. One of the biggest surprises was a December 2009 study, conducted by the National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy, which included information on sexual activity.

While the study’s primary report did not explore religion, some additional analysis focusing on sexual activity and religious identification yielded this result: 80 percent of unmarried evangelical young adults (18 to 29) said that they have had sex - slightly less than 88 percent of unmarried adults, according to the teen pregnancy prevention organization.

The article highlights what challenges abstinence movements face. Movements such as “True Love Waits,” encourage teens to wear purity rings, sign virginity pledges and pledge chastity during public ceremonies.

Yet many of these Christian youths eventually abandon their purity pledges, Relevant’s Tyler Charles concludes in the article. Tyler talked to people like “Maria,” an evangelical woman who said she wanted to wait until marriage to have sex.

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But she said she started having sex with her college boyfriend when she turned 20 because nearly everyone, even most of  her Christian friends, were having sex.

Maria:

It seemed everyone in my life, older and younger, had “done it.” In fact, I waited longer than most people I knew and longer than both of my sisters, even though we were all Christians and came from a good home.

Relevant theorizes about why it’s so hard for so many young Christians to wait, including the saturation of sex in popular culture, the prevalence of pornography and a popular “do what feels good philosophy.”

Yet the article also asks a question that rarely comes up in discussions about abstinence movement. Relevant notes that in biblical times, people married earlier. The average age for marriage has been increasing in the U.S for the last 40 years.

Today, it’s not unusual to meet a Christian who is single at 30 - or 40 or 50, for that matter. So what do you tell them? Keep waiting?

Scot McKnight, author of “The Jesus Creed,” and "One.Faith: Jesus Calls, We Follow," acknowledges that young, single Christians face temptations that their counterparts in the biblical age didn’t face.

He  tells Relevant:

Sociologically speaking, the one big difference – and it’s monstrous – between the biblical teaching and our culture is the arranged marriages of very young people. If you get married when you’re 13, you don’t have 15 years of temptation.

So what should a Christian parent or youth pastor do? How do they convince more young Christians to wait until marriage, or should they stop even trying?

- CNN Writer

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Church • Culture & Science • Culture wars

soundoff (5,770 Responses)
  1. GSA

    You know what they say, practice makes perfect.

    September 27, 2011 at 10:56 am |
    • Jesus

      Not everyone is compatible withe everyone else!! Having been around the block more than a few times, there's the not good, good, very good, and superlative. Once you've had superlative, the lesser levels don't do it for you. I wince at the thought of somebody winding up with inadequate bedroom experiences the remainder of one's life. Contrary to the BS out there, you improve performance just so much...but you can't go from adequate to superlative! IT IS ESSENTIAL TO EXPERIENCE OTHERS IN ORDER TO KNOW WHAT WORKS FOR YOU!!!

      September 27, 2011 at 3:22 pm |
    • Sam

      @ Jesus, that's the precise BS that justifiers want young people to believe.

      September 27, 2011 at 9:33 pm |
    • Matt

      @Jesus But like the issue in Relevant Magazine points out, science studies have shown the more people you sleep with, the less likely you are at having and maintaining any kind of long-term relationship with someone. You're making it that much more harder for yourself to have a deep connection with someone to share your life with.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:28 pm |
    • chas

      Not quite – PERFECT practice makes perfect :)

      September 27, 2011 at 11:39 pm |
    • derp

      "@ Jesus, that's the precise BS that justifiers want young people to believe."

      You have obviously never had "superlative"

      September 29, 2011 at 10:48 am |
    • Q

      Matt sounds like a little girl...lol

      September 30, 2011 at 10:06 am |
    • Waited

      Q, really? A man can't be a man if he wants a meaningful, lifelong relationship instead of a hump-em and leave-em mentality. It sounds like you are the one who has growing up to do. Since when was trading the ultimate for the immediate the glorified thing to do?

      October 7, 2011 at 11:30 pm |
    • Me

      @Q I think Matt is the real man. He is the perfect one for any good girl to marry. But you will be the one who will hurt people and will get hurt.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:19 pm |
    • Feather

      I knew you'd be surprised.

      January 17, 2012 at 10:38 pm |
  2. JOE

    And what about all those exotic positions like doggie style and oral? Do these christians do them too. And would these acts be considered extreme and outrageous by christians' standards?

    September 27, 2011 at 10:56 am |
    • myweightinwords

      I think maybe your definition of exotic is different than mine.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:57 am |
    • kimsland

      Generally the man MUST be pleased.
      But some argue that the woman should obtain climax too.

      The church is very man orientated.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:59 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Doggy is OK.
      Oral is not.
      Once upon a time, there was a man named Onan. He was commanded to impregnate his sister in law, Tamar, but kept pulling out and spilling his seed on the ground.
      For this infraction, God killed him.

      That little story in Genesis is why some Christians (IE: Catholics) consider it a sin to copulate for any reason other than procreation.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:08 am |
    • Chris K

      The story of Onan was that he refused to have a child for his dead brother's widow. It was NOT the practice of pulling out that was the sin. It was Onan's desire to let his brothers clan end.

      Just saying... this story gets pulled out of context so often, even by Christians. Most people will read your Onan comment and never bother to actually investigate for themselves. But if you read it, Genesis 38:9 makes it clear why Onan's act was considered sin.

      " And Onan knew that the seed would not be his; and it came to pass when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest he should give seed to his brother. "

      September 27, 2011 at 3:10 pm |
    • David Johnson

      My church demands we place a sheet between us. We cut a hole, to allow the act of procreation.

      If I see my wife taking that sheet out of the dryer... I feel so giddy!

      Once my wife was unfolding the sheet, for our "union"... and I procreated my boxers.

      Cheers!

      September 27, 2011 at 3:57 pm |
    • *frank*

      What is this "doggie style" of which you talk?

      September 27, 2011 at 7:50 pm |
    • Me

      As for the very evangelical culture in which I grew up, the usual message I heard was "As long as you both really feel comfortable with it, do it." The only specific things I EVER heard anyone say "Never do this even if you are married!" about were anal and BDSM.

      As for "doggie" style (why does it have to be called that again?) I've never met anyone who thinks that's exotic!

      Also, @kimsland, it would have been nice if you had let us know if you are speaking for some church that you are a member of, or if you are speaking for some church you have pieced together in your head from bits of history and popculture.

      November 3, 2011 at 1:54 pm |
    • Brett

      As long as it's in the bounds of your spouse.
      "Marriage is honorable among all, and the bed undefiled; but fornicators and adulterers God will judge." Hebrews 13:4

      December 26, 2011 at 2:44 pm |
    • LinCA

      Try again

      January 17, 2012 at 10:41 pm |
  3. Reality

    WARNING!!! WARNING!!! WARNING!!!

    To all overse-xed h-o-mo-sapiens:

    : The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill ( 8.7% failure rate) and male con-dom (17.4% failure rate) have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.- Failure rate statistics provided by the Gut-tmacher Inst-itute.

    Added information before making your next move:

    from the CDC-2006

    "Se-xually transmitted diseases (STDs) remain a major public health challenge in the United States. While substantial progress has been made in preventing, diagnosing, and treating certain S-TDs in recent years, CDC estimates that approximately 19 million new infections occur each year, almost half of them among young people ages 15 to 24.1 In addition to the physical and psy-ch-ological consequences of S-TDs, these diseases also exact a tremendous economic toll. Direct medical costs as-sociated with STDs in the United States are estimated at up to $14.7 billion annually in 2006 dollars."

    And from:

    http://pagingdrgupta.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/20/yes-or-al-se-x-is-se-x-and-it-can-boost-cancer-risk/?npt=NP1

    "Yes, or-al se-x is se-x, and it can boost cancer risk-

    Here's a crucial message for teens (and all se-xually active "post-teeners": Or-al se-x carries many of the same risks as va-ginal se-x, including human papilloma virus, or HPV. And HPV may now be overtaking tobacco as the leading cause of or-al cancers in America in people under age 50.

    "Adolescents don’t think or-al se-x is something to worry about," said Bonnie Halpern-Felsher professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco. "They view it as a way to have intimacy without having 's-ex.'"

    September 27, 2011 at 10:48 am |
    • Mike

      Yo-u a-re a co-mplete i-diot.

      September 27, 2011 at 1:22 pm |
    • David Johnson

      I think the alternatives to intercourse are a good "relief valve". This should be mentioned in $ex ed classes. No one ever got pregnant giving a handy.

      Cheers!

      September 27, 2011 at 4:01 pm |
    • samsjmail

      ""Yes, or-al se-x is se-x, "

      I KNEW IT!!!!

      September 27, 2011 at 6:43 pm |
    • Zeke2112

      More fear and control coming from the church? No way!

      November 7, 2011 at 10:39 am |
    • Hyphen-Harry

      @Reality, What is up with all the hyphens(-)? Does your whole body shake when you type or something?

      November 17, 2011 at 2:07 pm |
  4. Brandy

    I don't think this is a matter of Christianity or not, Reel. I think it's a matter of kids growing up faster than they should. And in the name of Christianity (which is a faith, belief) they're choosing to wait. It gives them hope and something strong to fall back on.

    September 27, 2011 at 10:45 am |
    • Nsiteful

      I'd challenge you to consider that kids are now growing up too SLOW. They aren't forced to take responsibility or consider things seriously until a much later point in life, especially in comparison to the society that existed in biblical times.

      September 27, 2011 at 2:19 pm |
    • David Johnson

      You seem to forget a girl named Mary. Someone convinced her they were god. I have used this "line", successfully, many time myself.

      Being helpful

      September 27, 2011 at 4:04 pm |
  5. AthensGuy

    cool...

    September 27, 2011 at 10:40 am |
  6. myweightinwords

    Our concept of marriage is so very different than it was fifty years ago, let alone a hundred years ago or a thousand. There was a time when it was normal for fifteen and sixteen year olds to be married and having children.

    It is only in recent years that we have begun seeing 16 year olds as children rather than young adults.

    September 27, 2011 at 10:35 am |
    • kimsland

      Yes because thousands and thousands of years ago people didn't live past (around) 40 (usually bad diet, and exercise was not taught ever)
      These days we now know that 15 yo still has a developing mind, and they really shouldn't have s.ex with a 40yo
      If they were 21(or more) that's up to them. Even 18 is pretty young, but that's where we are now.

      I note that with parent consent that teenagers can get married, in some countries and states ie under 18

      September 27, 2011 at 10:42 am |
    • AGuest9

      16??? 12 year olds worked in mines and factories as recently as the 1930s.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:43 am |
    • myweightinwords

      @AGuest9, True enough. Though I was differentiating marriage as different from working. Marriage tends to indicate that we consider the person an adult, whereas work only indicates a need to support the family.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:51 am |
    • myweightinwords

      @kimsland,

      My point, which I failed to fully articulate as I was distracted, is that biologically we have not evolved away from the place where we needed to breed early, thus the physical drives still begin young. We may live longer, we may put off marriage and child bearing until later in life, but our bodies are ready and even eager, thus we begin to feel the drive when we are still very young.

      And while, I would agree that many, even most 16 year olds are not fully mature enough to handle an adult relationship, their bodies are more than ready for the se.xual act. This is part of the reason we have always had and will continue to have, teenagers having s.e.x.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:56 am |
    • kimsland

      @myweightinwords
      I fully agree.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:01 am |
  7. guestiest

    When it comes to attacks on religious groups, why is there not equallity? Let's extend the hatred to muslims, budists, and hindus as well.

    September 27, 2011 at 10:34 am |
    • Colin

      Agreed. All sky-fairy beliefs should be questioned.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:35 am |
    • kimsland

      Agreed as well

      September 27, 2011 at 10:37 am |
    • LinCA

      @guestiest

      You said, "When it comes to attacks on religious groups, why is there not equallity? Let's extend the hatred to muslims, budists, and hindus as well."

      Where do you see the attacks? Where is the hate?

      Pointing out through logic and reasoning that religion, and the beliefs upon which they are built, are patently nonsense isn't hate. It isn't even an attack. It's really a request to those professing such beliefs to rationally question and evaluate them.

      I, and I'm sure most other atheists on this board, couldn't care less what you believe. But just because I don't care what you believe, doesn't mean that I will not poke fun at those beliefs.

      If your belief is strong and unshakable, I'm sure it will endure no matter what I say. All you need to do is keep you eyes, ears and mind closed.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:02 am |
    • kimsland

      "doesn't mean that I will not poke fun at those beliefs."

      Religion? What an utter joke.
      You'd have to be mad to believe in this rubbish these days.
      Kids if your parents are trying to push their religion onto you, firstly laugh at them, and next say I can't wait to get out of this nut house.
      Try to get as far away from religion as possible, for your kids sake.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:17 am |
    • Chris Veltman

      "If your belief is strong and unshakable, I'm sure it will endure no matter what I say. "

      -So, how long does this belief need to exist to be strong and unshakable? Many scholars date the earliest texts of the Old Testament anywhere from 1500bce to 2500bce. So, is it strong and unshakable now? Or do we need another 4500 years?

      September 27, 2011 at 8:59 pm |
    • LinCA

      @Chris Veltman

      You said, "-So, how long does this belief need to exist to be strong and unshakable? Many scholars date the earliest texts of the Old Testament anywhere from 1500bce to 2500bce. So, is it strong and unshakable now? Or do we need another 4500 years?"

      I wasn't talking about religion when I said, "If your belief is strong and unshakable". I was specifically referring to someone's personal beliefs. I was referring to the unfounded, unsupported and irrational beliefs in personal gods.

      To keep these personal beliefs strong and unshakable, one of three things must be true. The believer must either 1) be unaware of, 2) actively ignore, or 3) be incapable to understand, the logic and reasoning that shows those beliefs to be irrational. Believers that spend more than a few minutes reading the comments on this site must fall in categories 2 or 3.

      The religions (plural) that, over time, sprout from those irrational beliefs, are by no means unshakable. For christianity alone, there are currently some 34,000 different cults, sects and denominations. If the christian religion was unshakable, there could be only one. Furthermore, just because millions of people believe something, doesn't mean it's true. If it were true, the earth would be flat and at the center of the universe. Santa Claus would exist, too.

      September 28, 2011 at 11:03 am |
    • Runner

      Colin, I have never heard of a Buddhist sky-fairy. But every other post of yours that I have read is purrrrdy dead-on.

      November 17, 2011 at 2:18 pm |
  8. kimsland

    Also Why are less children going to church?
    I'm thinking they have better things to do, like sport and enjoy life.

    Why does religion even still exist today? I'm waiting for that Belief story.

    September 27, 2011 at 10:32 am |
    • Dionne

      Its because you wouldnt exist if it didnt. Just sayn

      October 16, 2011 at 2:19 am |
  9. Doc Vestibule

    2,000 years ago, life was far more nasty, brutish and short.
    Since life expectancy was half of what it is today and infant mortality rates were drastically higher, survival depended on breeding early and often.
    In the absense of any reliable forms of birth control, to assure a stable family environment for children, premarital relations were discouraged – though it was not uncommon for a blushing vir/gin bride to give birth 6 months after her wedding, if you catch my drift.
    In the modern world, these considerations need not apply.
    An unmarried 25 year old is no longer cosidered an Old Maid.
    Families with more than 3 children are not the norm.
    Women can chose when and if they get pregnant.

    Aside from which – if you wait until you're married to be intimate, what happens if you and your partner are incompatible?
    Would you but a car before test driving it?

    September 27, 2011 at 10:31 am |
    • @Doc

      Human being is not car. Do you treat your near ones are inanimate objects? Do you try each one of them ?

      September 27, 2011 at 10:36 am |
    • AGuest9

      @ @Doc – drinking so early?

      September 27, 2011 at 10:40 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      No, humans are not cars.
      Let me put it another way.
      Let's say you are a devout Baptist and wed someone (in a civil ceremony) without ever sharing your faith, what would you do if your new husband turned out to be Wiccan?

      September 27, 2011 at 10:45 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @aguest
      Please provide a coherent, topical rebuttal if you disagree with what I say.
      Ad hominen attacks don't make for an intelligent debate, Mr. Poopy Pants.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:48 am |
    • DWTT

      Then they have poor communication and deserve the problems they brought on themselves.

      "down with the trinity"

      September 27, 2011 at 10:57 am |
    • DamianKnight

      @Doc,

      I think you raise an interesting and important question regarding faiths. Generally speaking, I believe it is imperative of people to discuss their religious or philisophical beliefs prior to marriage. Let's be honest. Most religious people have their beliefs as the foundation of their moral code. If two people have differing views (say a Baptist and Wiccan), one can reasonably assume that there are differences in how they believe.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:06 am |
  10. gggg

    I will freely admit that I (a guy) would rather marry a virgin. But I also would not want to wait myself. It is a double standard that I can not apply to those around me. I have also learned, over time, that I'm reasonably "average". That means that the urges I'm having are being felt by others as well. If I can't deny those urges, how can I expect anyone else to deny them. And then, once you've exercised those urges, it is nigh on impossible to expect it to stop. So, it has come to this; if she's willing, so am I. And it will feel good because it always does.

    Waiting, based on the idea of faith/religion, is like saying that if you wait you will get to ride an invisible pink unicorn someday soon. Also, since it is now, essentially, illegal for any 13 year old to get married, how many years do you expect them to battle nature? The urge to reproduce (supplied by God, supposedly), will overcome the preachings of the idiot behind the pulpit.

    September 27, 2011 at 10:30 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      The reason men want to marry virg/ins is very practical.
      A woman can, in theory, always know who the father of her child is whereas a man can never be sure.
      We don't want to waste our resources on a crot/ch critter that isn't biologically ours, so we seek assurance that we are the planters of the seed.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:33 am |
    • TMJ

      The irony is that marrying a virgin is no guarantee that the woman won't cheat on her husband at some later period. He could still be raising someone else's child.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:56 am |
    • Newo

      "The reason men want to marry virg/ins is very practical."
      –so that she will never know how terrible he really is in bed.

      September 27, 2011 at 6:30 pm |
  11. Jeff

    Great.. another stupid article written by and commented on by spiritually ignorant people.

    September 27, 2011 at 10:14 am |
    • AGuest9

      You commented on it, did you not?

      September 27, 2011 at 10:39 am |
    • HA215

      All Hail Jeff! All Hail Jeff!
      Oh Great and Wise Jeff. Please enlighten us on the True Nature of Jeffism.

      September 27, 2011 at 2:12 pm |
    • David Johnson

      Golly, Jeff. I have found spiritual people are dull witted. I think it is a prerequisite.

      Cheers!

      September 27, 2011 at 4:16 pm |
  12. Reel

    Christianity is a fake. Laughing stock of lesser beings.

    September 27, 2011 at 9:59 am |
    • Barry G.

      Remember what you wrote, when trouble comes and you need God's help; and, that day will surely come.

      And remember what you wrote, when your life ends and you find yourself facing the awesome reality of death and the grave. Your scoffing will do you no good then.

      And remember your scoffing, when you find yourself standing before God. And that day is probably closer for you than you realize.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:18 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I love seeing self-proclaimed Christians threatening those who don't believe as they do with eternal damnation. So loving of them. You can almost see them licking their chops at the prospect of watching people they disagree with roasting on a spit while they enjoy strumming their harps.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:20 am |
    • Colin

      Barry G – every time a Christian threatens a non-believer with "spo.oky land" I ask point out the following.

      Approximately one hundred and ten thousand million (110,000,000,000) people have lived on Earth. Given all those who have, over the centuries, rejected the Christian god, or who have otherwise committed mortal sins, there must be literally thousands of millions of people burning for all eternity in the cosmic oven of hell set up by your all-loving god. Some must have been burning for thousands of years by now.

      About 100,000 people die every day. There must be a constant stream of thousands of forlorn souls every day into the one way pit of hell your all-merciful god set up and maintains.

      But, far, far worse than sheer overwhelming numbers is the extent of the punishment. There is no way out, no parole, no time off for good behavior. You don’t just burn, you burn for all eternity. Billions of people and thousands of daily new arrivals burning for all eternity!

      No criminal justice system in the history of the Human race, even those established by the most despotic of tyrants, comes close to matching the unfathomable barbarity of your “infinitely benevolent” god. I don’t have to kill, I don’t have to steal, hell I don’t even have to litter. All I have to do is refuse to believe in the Christian god and it will impose a penalty on me an infinite times worse than the death penalty.

      Hitler murdered six million Jews in his concentration camps, but compared to your god, Hitler was a bleeding-hearted wimp. A goose-stepping girlie-man. Your all-caring god not only burns billions more than Hitler, Pol Pot and all other dictators and tyrants added up, he keeps doing so to them for all eternity! I would not wish a bad sunburn on a person simply because they have a different religion to me, let alone fry them for ever.

      It is also odd that your all-loving god is also all-knowing and knows which souls will go to hell before they do. He even knows it before they are born, and yet he still creates them. He is worse than a psychopathic teenager than breeds litter after litter of kittens so he can slowly roast them in ovens.

      It gets REALL, REALLY silly doesn't it? that's the problem with using the same sky-fairy as both the carrot and the stick. Pretty soon the whole thing collapses in a puff of logic.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:23 am |
    • Free

      Barry G.

      You realize, don't you, that "You'll rue the day!" is the classical line of all two-bit villains, after they've been defeated?

      September 27, 2011 at 10:26 am |
    • Johnny

      @Colin: You said it!

      September 27, 2011 at 10:36 am |
    • @Collins

      Maybe you should read the bible and understand it better. God does not want to steer the every one unless they accept him and truly believe in him. He has given every one the freedom to chose what they want. I am not going to say who was bad or innocent since it is not for me to sit judgement. every human who is born will get a chance to know about true god and absolution. How and where will be God's decision. This applicable to those who never got chance to hear god's words.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:44 am |
    • Center

      Colin,

      How did you come to that understanding of God?

      September 27, 2011 at 10:51 am |
    • Scott

      @Colin, obviously you've never read the Bible so how do you have all these answers? That quite a self-righteous post to make.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:54 am |
    • Amused

      Colin – I couldn't have said it better! Your point is the primary reason I came to my senses many years ago and began to see religious dogma for exactly what it is. Religion is a social organization designed to both comfort and control masses of people. Religion inhibits and replaces a natural yearning to KNOW and UNDERSTAND the real world that surrounds us! By replacing knowledge and logic with senseless dogma, you remove the natural yearning and struggle for the true meaning of life! All scientific questions can be dismissed with the mantra "God works in mysterious ways" or "Man is not supposed to understand nor question the will of God"! This removes any pesky need for education and knowledge. Truth and knowledge is the true enemy of religious dogma.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:58 am |
    • NatBlue

      @Colin – Global warming explained.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:57 am |
    • Anton LaVey

      @Collins

      Maybe you should read the bible and understand it better. The men who wrote the bible does not want to steer every one unless they accept the god the men created and truly believe in their own creation. Their creation has given every one the freedom to chose what they want. I am not going to say who was bad or innocent since it is not for me to sit judgement. every human who is born will get a chance to know about the creation of men and absolution. How and where will be the men's creation's decision. This applicable to those who never got chance to hear the men's creations words.

      -------

      At least you are honest as to the origin of your bible and god.

      September 27, 2011 at 1:31 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Barry G.

      You said: "Remember what you wrote, when trouble comes and you need God's help; and, that day will surely come."

      The day comes for many. They pray and they find prayer does not work.

      You said: "And remember what you wrote, when your life ends and you find yourself facing the awesome reality of death and the grave. Your scoffing will do you no good then."

      Christians believe in an immaterial soul. They believe this soul is our ident_ity or mind. It is essentially, "who we are". The essence of our personalities. The soul is "released" when we die. God decides if our soul will go to Heaven or Hell. Evidently, our souls are given a physical body, that we might enjoy eternal bliss or torment.

      There is no evidence for a soul. Our obviously material brains contain all that we are. All that we have experienced, all that we have learned, all of our perceptions. When we die, our brains cease to function. We no longer exist. All that we were, is no more.

      Evidence to support this argument, is that disease, drugs, and injuries affect our ability to think. Our personalities to change. Cerebral palsy occurs when babies' brains are deprived of oxygen. Consider an Alzheimer's victim. The disease destroys the brain. The victim loses the ability to recognize their loved ones. In the last stages, many even lose the ability to swallow.
      If our mind and personality was immaterial and separate from our physical bodies, our thinking and personalities would not be affected.

      Our brains are constantly generating thoughts. Brain chemistry determines our emotions. We can't really tell, that these thoughts and emotions originate in our brains. It's easy for Believers to perceive thoughts and feelings, generated by their brains, as coming from outside themselves. *sigh* Jesus? Is that you? LOL!

      Evolution, with its evidence of transitional fossils, geological column, DNA evidence, vestigial organs etc., is very damning to the biblical Creation Story.

      If god created all the organisms on the planet, then He must have created even the diseases that have caused and are causing so much death and misery for humans and animals. He would have had to fashion the tick and the flea. The mosquito and blood flukes. And worms that bore into a child's eye.

      How could an all good god do such a thing? Why would He spend His time creating gruesome things to cause human suffering? Yet, these horrors exist. And if god didn't create them, who did?

      Evolution explains the diversity of the planet's organisms, including the pathogens and the parasites that have caused so much human death and misery.

      If the Creation Story is a fable, then Adam and Eve did not exist.

      If Adam and Eve did not exist, then there was no original sin.

      If there was no original sin, then it cannot be the reason god allows so much suffering in the world. We can dump the guilt trip.

      If there was no original sin, then there was no need for a redeemer.

      If there was no redeemer, then Christianity is a based on a false premise.

      "If we cannot believe in the First Adam, why believe in the Last [Christ]?" 1 Corinthians15:45

      If the Creation story is a myth, then there is no reason to believe any of the bible.

      If we evolved, there is no soul –> no afterlife –> no need of a heaven or hell.

      LOL, which is why the Evangelicals fight so hard against evolution.

      The whole Christian religion is built on a house of cards.

      You threatened: "And remember your scoffing, when you find yourself standing before God. And that day is probably closer for you than you realize."

      Yep. This is certainly the gun that Christians pull, because their position(s) is so untenable. You are saying: "Believe the way I do, or god will punish you!" Except, you have no proof that the Christian god exists.

      There are about 14 major religions in the world. Just for grins, let's say that one of these 14, is worshiping the one true god. And let's assume each one of the 14 religions has a good place (Heaven?) and bad place (Hell?).

      You have a 1 in 14 (7%) chance of choosing the correct god and going to the good place. There is a 93% chance you will choose incorrectly and will suffer in a bad place.

      There is always risk, to any choice.

      Your god is no more real than the Muslim or the Hindu god(s) or the ancient Greek gods.

      Cheers!

      September 27, 2011 at 4:40 pm |
    • The commenter

      Glad I'm LDS, you can't go to Hell! I mean I guess if you are unhappy you are in "hell."

      November 1, 2011 at 1:15 am |
  13. Come to me

    It's always the quiet innocent looking girls that are wild. It's our job to release the beast within them!

    September 27, 2011 at 9:56 am |
    • David Johnson

      And it is often the fat, ugly ones are the virgins. What are you gonna do?

      Cheers!

      September 28, 2011 at 2:16 pm |
  14. seabeau

    Cervial Cancer is dying proof that True Love Waits is correct!!

    September 27, 2011 at 9:53 am |
    • Colin

      And the Christian opposition to HPV vaccinations is proof that they would prefer to see children die rather than question their own Dark Age beliefs

      September 27, 2011 at 9:56 am |
    • lolol

      and those burning loins prove that waiting is worthless

      September 27, 2011 at 9:57 am |
    • Johnny

      And your statement is evidence that it's better just not to give birth at all.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:15 am |
  15. Colin

    What would be terrible would be to spend three or four years “waiting” in order to appease the Bronze Age Christian sky-god, only to elevate oneself out of the silly supersti.tions of Christianity in your late 20s and look back at all the fun you missed out on in your early 20s due to the silly nonsense of this outdated faith.

    To any thinking Christian kid out there, I have some news for you. You will quite possibly rise above the Christian supersti.tion as you get older and are more able to think for yourself and the influence of your family wanes. There is no cosmic voy.eur in the sky stalking you and your lover, waiting to record a black mark on your heavenly “rap sheet” should you have $ex. Do what you want. Life is short. Just make sure you take the adequate protections to avoid an unwanted pregnancy.

    To any Christian kid who lacks the mental faculties to rise above the supersti.ition (s)he was indoctrinated with as a small child, probably best you don’t breed.

    September 27, 2011 at 9:36 am |
    • J.W

      Oh I am gonna breed and teach all of my kids to breed. I will indoctrinate them all. My children will go to far off lands and mate with their women to spread the doctrine there too.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:24 am |
    • Barry G.

      The Romans persecuted the Christians during the first three centuries. They considered the Christians to be fools and called them atheists, because they believed in an invisible God, and they didn’t believe in the traditional gods of Rome and mythology.

      Against all odds and despite great adversity, Christianity triumphed over the mighty nation of Rome, which fell with a mighty thud.

      Keep on mocking, just as Nero and others did. We all know what happened to them.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:25 am |
    • AGuest9

      Barry, insanity resulting from lead-lined wine casks occurred about the same time. So, is it the same reason why many pagan beliefs were introduced as church teachings?

      September 27, 2011 at 10:37 am |
    • Nick

      @ Barry: Which god, you never specified.

      September 27, 2011 at 2:19 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Barry G.

      You said: "Against all odds and despite great adversity, Christianity triumphed over the mighty nation of Rome, which fell with a mighty thud."

      Actually, if not for Constantine, Pauline Christianity would probably not have made it.

      Cheers!

      September 27, 2011 at 4:56 pm |
    • Heather

      Colin: I was one of the "christian" kids who "waited" cuz that's what the church said to do. In my 20s and looking back at everything... I wish I could do it all over again. I would be in the in crowd–cheerleader, sports, parties, dances, s e x, boyfriends, and all of the other things i missed out on. Church is great on occasion for my husband and I, but we will NOT raise our kids to be sheltered and excluded from all of the fun experiences that teenagers should have. I really feel that I was jipped and partially it was my fault. I should have just rebelled and experienced life, but I respected my parents and still do. It just really sucks to know that all was missed. I feel like now I am making up for lost experiences going to clubs, parties, etc. But it won't ever be the same as if I would have just done the things when my peers did. Live and learn I guess... Won't raise my kids the same...that's for sure...being responsible about s e x is one thing, but total abstince is another.

      November 1, 2011 at 9:59 pm |
    • Alisdar

      Yay! Just don't be so hard on the Christians...

      December 4, 2011 at 5:01 am |
  16. AtheistSteve

    Biological imperative...pretty basic animal urges. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out. :) Plus as far as the religious kids are concerned it's always the taboo things that are the most exciting.

    September 27, 2011 at 9:30 am |
  17. hippypoet

    in my mind, and in the mind of most logical people, having s e x is nothing less then pure EVOLUTION showing its cute little head..before it dives into some other creature. :) for as we all know, if the world was perfect, we would live forever and there would be no need to reproduce, but having such a fun thing, yummy. it won't just fade away because an imaginary creature told some dude 2500- 4000 years ago that having s e x before is wrong... did you know that the idea of marriage wasn't even close to todays VERSION of union... look it up, its very interesting. and to any who would like it i have a great po oon poem.

    September 27, 2011 at 9:20 am |
  18. AGuest9

    "young, unmarried Christians are having premarital se.x almost as much as their non-Christian peers"

    Human nature to reproduce strikes again.

    September 27, 2011 at 9:13 am |
  19. kimsland

    Um, any guy old enough here should already know that the pastors daughter is usually the most promiscuous of them all.
    Plus guys 'urges' don't just subside if they're religious, I'm quite positive most (99%) of all guys would not turn down s.e.x ever.

    September 27, 2011 at 9:06 am |
    • AGuest9

      Ironically, it was the protestant girls that were easier in high school than the catholics, too.

      September 27, 2011 at 9:14 am |
  20. hippypoet

    they don't want to wait because s e x is GOOD!

    September 27, 2011 at 8:44 am |
    • HisImitator1

      It is the right thing to do though. It is better for future relationships.

      September 27, 2011 at 8:56 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Not always.

      September 27, 2011 at 8:56 am |
    • Free

      HisImitator1
      Not if it means they transfer their lack of experience prior to marriage to having affairs afterwards.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:18 am |
    • HisImitator1

      @Free- Experirience in relationships has nothing to do with s e x though and if you were married, most would agree the best thing to do is stay loyal to your spouse. I am not saying that people don't slip up or anything before. I mean we aren't all perfect. In fact, that is where sin comes in. It is impossible to stay perfect. We must fight the urge to do those things.
      @Tom- Give me an example of when it is contradictory to what I said.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:41 am |
    • Feather

      Non-empty

      January 17, 2012 at 10:49 pm |
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