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A young Christian at an purity rally spreads the word.
September 27th, 2011
08:39 AM ET

Why young Christians aren't waiting anymore

By John Blake,  CNN

(CNN) –True love doesn’t wait after all.

That’s the implication in the upcoming October issue of an evangelical magazine that claims that young, unmarried Christians are having premarital sex almost as much as their non-Christian peers.

The article in Relevant magazine, entitled “(Almost) Everyone’s Doing It,” cited several studies examining the sexual activity of single Christians. One of the biggest surprises was a December 2009 study, conducted by the National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy, which included information on sexual activity.

While the study’s primary report did not explore religion, some additional analysis focusing on sexual activity and religious identification yielded this result: 80 percent of unmarried evangelical young adults (18 to 29) said that they have had sex - slightly less than 88 percent of unmarried adults, according to the teen pregnancy prevention organization.

The article highlights what challenges abstinence movements face. Movements such as “True Love Waits,” encourage teens to wear purity rings, sign virginity pledges and pledge chastity during public ceremonies.

Yet many of these Christian youths eventually abandon their purity pledges, Relevant’s Tyler Charles concludes in the article. Tyler talked to people like “Maria,” an evangelical woman who said she wanted to wait until marriage to have sex.

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But she said she started having sex with her college boyfriend when she turned 20 because nearly everyone, even most of  her Christian friends, were having sex.

Maria:

It seemed everyone in my life, older and younger, had “done it.” In fact, I waited longer than most people I knew and longer than both of my sisters, even though we were all Christians and came from a good home.

Relevant theorizes about why it’s so hard for so many young Christians to wait, including the saturation of sex in popular culture, the prevalence of pornography and a popular “do what feels good philosophy.”

Yet the article also asks a question that rarely comes up in discussions about abstinence movement. Relevant notes that in biblical times, people married earlier. The average age for marriage has been increasing in the U.S for the last 40 years.

Today, it’s not unusual to meet a Christian who is single at 30 - or 40 or 50, for that matter. So what do you tell them? Keep waiting?

Scot McKnight, author of “The Jesus Creed,” and "One.Faith: Jesus Calls, We Follow," acknowledges that young, single Christians face temptations that their counterparts in the biblical age didn’t face.

He  tells Relevant:

Sociologically speaking, the one big difference – and it’s monstrous – between the biblical teaching and our culture is the arranged marriages of very young people. If you get married when you’re 13, you don’t have 15 years of temptation.

So what should a Christian parent or youth pastor do? How do they convince more young Christians to wait until marriage, or should they stop even trying?

- CNN Writer

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Church • Culture & Science • Culture wars

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  1. Guidedtouch

    the definition of Christian comes into play. Is calling yourself a Christian make you one? Does going to church make you one? or is it whats inside? A Christian is someone who follows the precepts set out by Jesus Christ. this article should read; many Americans who profess to be Christian are not following his teachings. It is my belief that their are fewer Christians today then in medeval times. Going to church does not absolve a person of their actions. It really tires me when I hear the media bash Catholics for their past misdeeds. those individuals were not Catholic but imposters wearing the suit. just as "christians" who perform the inconcievable are truly christian. A person is not labeled by what he calls himself or what we name him, but by what he is represents in his soul. What this article really demonstrates is the sad state of Christianity in this country.

    September 27, 2011 at 11:22 pm |
    • Sheila

      Indeed, it shows how many are led astray by false teachings, and how many are not properly taught, and how many do not truly commit by mind, body, and soul.

      But then again, the Lord said "only a remnant shall be saved"

      September 27, 2011 at 11:25 pm |
    • Nah

      sheila: "Indeed, it shows how many are led astray by false teachings, and how many are not properly taught, and how many do not truly commit by mind, body, and soul."

      Oh please. Be a Christian all you want, but being dogmatic in your belief is hardly laudable.

      A god exists, logic simply dictates that, but beyond that you cannot know if any one particular religion is wholly right or wrong. Especially not by "merely" consulting that religion's texts and finding out that it considers other teachings to be "false". That's the height of circularity, isn't it?

      September 27, 2011 at 11:32 pm |
    • Answer

      @Sheila and Nah

      Have you two formally scre-wed each other yet?

      September 27, 2011 at 11:57 pm |
    • Anon

      Don't encourage them. We need less crazies, not more.

      September 28, 2011 at 12:08 am |
    • Answer

      @Anon

      I just love to see their minds blow up when their kids don't accept their religious beliefs like they do. It neat to have kids speak simply and make their parents crash like a pile of stone. Assuming that these two have a go at it and produce :)

      Kids are a treat with their innocence. They're the most honest when they doubt crack pot explanations.

      September 28, 2011 at 12:19 am |
  2. KMS

    I can not believe how foolish some of these comments are! Why argue with a non-believer....or an atheist? The Bible says, " ONLY a FOOL says there is no God....How sad and grievous it is to read these posts....Ignorant, God hating people will one day bow their knee and Say with their lips....JESUS CHRIST IS LORD! All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. None is righteous, not one. But whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved from their sin and spend eternity with God the creator of the universe. Remember, HE loves YOU and has a PLAN for YOU! Everyone one of us will die! WHERE WILL YOU SPEND ETERNITY....WHETHER you believe or not, THERE IS A GOD WHO LOVES YOU! And His name is JESUS CHRIST!!!!

    September 27, 2011 at 11:18 pm |
    • Anon

      facepalm*

      September 27, 2011 at 11:21 pm |
    • Observer

      "HE loves YOU and has a PLAN for YOU!"

      Yes, the plan is Hell unless you do exactly as he said. He loved people so much that he killed virtually every person on the face of the earth.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:21 pm |
    • Colin

      So, the Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Jains, Buddhists, Taoists and Shintos are wrong, hey? By the way, why do Christians always think that the "Caps Lock" button somehow improves their arguments?

      September 27, 2011 at 11:22 pm |
    • ljheidel

      Why do the Jesusfied insist upon typing IN ALL CAPS?

      September 27, 2011 at 11:28 pm |
    • M00

      The world changes, get over it

      September 27, 2011 at 11:31 pm |
    • Data1000

      I guess I'll just have to take your word for it.... Seems a little strange though that "God" loves me so much, but if I don't have blind faith, he'll send me to be tortured without any end. If that's love, who needs vengence?

      September 27, 2011 at 11:41 pm |
    • Answer

      For a wish to damn people and tell people they are sinners and that Jesus is their savior they will do anything! Even type out complete garbage in all caps.

      Foolish sheeps.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:56 pm |
  3. DFW

    Young Christians have never waited. They're not the sharpest pencils in the box and never have been. Why is this just now coming up?

    September 27, 2011 at 11:18 pm |
    • Person

      Probably because those super-bright intellects are all grown up and running for President.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:22 pm |
  4. Nah

    colin: "if everything must have a cause, what caused god?"

    CNN won't post the argument I gave you, but here:

    Given the premise of the argument this question is a total non-sequitur. It's precisely because there had to be a first cause that it's illogical to ask what came "before" that first cause.

    "So James, if everything must have a cause, what caused god? God was "always there", right? In which case the very assumption you used to deduce him is nonsense."

    Not really.

    The "assumption" used to deduce the existence of a god is based on the physical and logical impossibility of an infinite regress of material causes. The "perpetual" existence of a god doesn't violate that rule, because it is not based on the "perpetual cause" of a god.

    September 27, 2011 at 11:14 pm |
    • Nah

      bob: "So, Nah, are you one of those who cannot understand simple science facts? It sure looks like it from here.
      And you also appear to have a loose grasp on the concept of logic and probably have to look up "epistemology"."

      You're floundering, bob. Time to give it up.

      Which simple, "scientific" facts are you talking about? Because, as far as I can tell, you've never mentioned one of them.

      Much less, epistemological principles tell us - at least in the Cartesian sense - that we can only know what clearly and distinctly perceive, besides what's logical. And logic tells us, quite simply, that an infinite regress of causes is impossible. Consequently, the universe had to have a first cause that was not material, the cause of itself, and not within the thing it created.

      "You haven't provided any arguments yet. But I keep hoping you'll have the guts to actually argue"

      Nah. I provided three arguments and then explained one in summary.

      Care to rebut them?

      September 27, 2011 at 11:20 pm |
    • Observer

      Nah,

      Your argument that an infinite regression has to end with God is baseless. There could be a corresponding infinite regression of gods.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:29 pm |
    • Bob Smith

      nah: "Consequently, the universe had to have a first cause that was not material, the cause of itself, and not within the thing it created."

      Here is your error, Nah. But I doubt you'd be able to see it. You're making assumptions without any logical reason to do so.

      Try again?

      September 27, 2011 at 11:48 pm |
  5. Southern girl

    It is so easy to stir up the guilty. Those who don't believe in true Christianity are always so quick to get in the conversation. I am glad to be a Christian, being an atheist would require WAY TOO MUCH FAITH.

    September 27, 2011 at 11:11 pm |
    • Anon

      Ignorance is bliss, because thinking is hard.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:16 pm |
    • Trina

      What, you really think it is a stretch that random bits of carbon and other things wound up in the same puddle and life was created?
      I just think it would be overwhelmingly depressing to imagine that we completely cease to exist in any form when we die and that our existance is irrelevant.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:16 pm |
    • ben

      I dont think you understand what faith is. You might want to graduate Jr. High before typing a response.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:17 pm |
    • Southern girl

      So predictable.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:20 pm |
    • Miles

      I love you Southern Girl

      September 27, 2011 at 11:20 pm |
    • Ashrakay

      @Trina, there are plenty of "depressing" examples in nature that remain true. Like birds will lay eggs in other species' nests and when the invading bird hatches it slashes the other birds to death to insure it gets fed more. Other birds actually hatch early and kick out the other eggs. Lions will kill cubs of other lions when taking over a territory. Male mice can excrete a hormone that will cause pregnant female mice to spontaneous abort their young if he is not the father. All depressing, all true. If you want to live in fairy land, where you have gumdrop dreams... that's also your prerogative. Just don't expect anyone to take you seriously.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:28 pm |
    • Ashrakay

      @Southern girl, since you seem to be an expert on Atheism, exactly what faith is required?

      September 27, 2011 at 11:30 pm |
    • Trina

      Ashrakay Aren't we all living in the "fairy land" of our own beliefs? I guess we will find out who is right when we die. ... Will you be bummed to find that your life could have been filled with the richness of God's presence or will you just cease to be?

      September 27, 2011 at 11:48 pm |
    • Anon

      I'll take nonexistence since we'll just rot in the ground like the other 99% of species that have lived and died before us.
      Eventually the Earth will be destroyed when the Sun goes through it's red giant phase in about 4-5 billion more years.
      Our leftover molecules will go back to the universe when that finally happens.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:53 pm |
    • Ashrakay

      @Trina I'm filled with love, peace and contentment. God would only get in the way. If your beliefs are not verifiable then, yes, it's a fairy land. Not everyone believes in the unverifiable. We call the verifiable world, reality, and you're welcome to join us.

      September 28, 2011 at 12:03 am |
    • Southern girl

      Non = non
      love/ peace/contentment not = sarcasm
      Jr. High? Really, that's your best? Check yourself

      September 28, 2011 at 12:20 am |
  6. Geraldine

    "Today, it’s not unusual to meet a Christian who is single at 30 – or 40 or 50, for that matter. So what do you tell them? Keep waiting?"

    And that's where it gets cruel, especially with women, because you aren't just denying them s**, the older they get, you're also denying them the chance to have children. I know a devout Jehovah's Witness who lives in a small town and because of the small pool of potential suitors (they're only allowed to marry other Witnesses and there aren't that many in town), she's now well into her 50s and never married. Even if she did find someone to marry now, it would be too late for her to have children, and all because of her religion's harsh rules on abstinence and marriage, coupled with geographic isolation.

    Men wouldn't have that problem of course, but it can still rob them of a psychological normality. It's just not the way nature intended us to be, and it's not the way it would have been back in the days when the Bible was written either. People weren't so fussy back then, they just grabbed someone and married them so they weren't denied.

    Grab someone, have kids with them, repent later if need be, but it's cruel to expect someone to be on their deathbed regretting the fact they never had children.

    September 27, 2011 at 11:08 pm |
    • Geraldine

      Sorry, I had to asterisk out a certain S-word due to the word filter.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:11 pm |
    • Sheila

      So you think it is good to have children out of wedlock ? Are you one of those who complain about welfare ? Children need a mother and a father, a healthy home, a Godly home. Not some dysfunctional relationship with there is no commitment, no solid goals, and no agreement between the adults.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:15 pm |
    • Guidedtouch

      the definition of Christian comes into play. Is calling yourself a Christian make you one? Does going to church make you one? or is it whats inside? A Christian is someone who follows the precepts set out by Jesus Christ. this article should read; many Americans who profess to be Christian are not following his teachings. It is my belief that their are fewer Christians today then in medeval times. Going to church does not absolve a person of their actions. It really tires me when I hear the media bash Catholics for their past misdeeds. those individuals were not Catholic but imposters wearing the suit. just as "christians" who perform the inconcievable are truly christian. A person is not labeled by what he calls himself or what we name him, but by what he is represents in his soul. What this article really demonstrates is the sad state of Christianity in this country.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:20 pm |
    • LP

      So MOVE. If she wanted to get married, she could have moved to a place with a larger pool of suitable singles. This isn't rocket science. She obviously didn't want to marry. That was her life choice. And because she didn't marry, no, she shouldn't have had children.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:24 pm |
  7. Skepticz

    Signs young Christians aren't waiting? Um, let's see. Since they don't believe in birth control, a lot more of them are turning up pregnant?

    September 27, 2011 at 11:03 pm |
  8. TopCat

    God made the universe from nothing. but then he needed adams rib bone to make eve. wait ... what??

    September 27, 2011 at 11:03 pm |
    • MinnWin

      He didn't need Adam's rib, he used it. It's pretty important within it's own context. You should read Genesis, it's really good.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:20 pm |
    • DDS>YDS

      I see you grasp the doctrine of creation ex nihilo, but your next point is a non sequiter. Understanding God as creator of all things from nothing is essential to differentiating the Christian God from the God of Plato of other philosophers. The story of the creation of humans, with Eve being made from the rib of Adam carries with it a theological implication. It speaks to the oneness of man and woman in marriage, and that man and woman are made to be together. In a sense the coming together of the two is a return to the original whole. There is a lot of material out there on this.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:22 pm |
    • TopCat

      after taking his poison, if hitler confessed his sins and jesus came into his heart, he went to heaven.
      if someone lives a more righteous life than mother teresa and doesnt have jesus in their heart, they go to hell.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:58 pm |
  9. Sheila

    Several have mentioned hypocrisy among Christians. God hates hypocrisy (and foolishness, and lewd behavior).
    All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. That is why we need the salvation, forgiveness and grace that comes through Jesus. He's been here, lived as one of, been tempted as we and has suffered hurt, rejection, torture, shame and death.

    But he conquered death for all of us, and if we want life, the real life, life eternal and eternal peace then we need to turn to him and his teachings. There are many people who proclaim Christ and go to church and still sin.

    There is deliberate sin we have knowledge of before we do it, and there are trespass sins, which are those sins we do but learn later were sins. What matters is that we turn from sin once we have knowledge of it.

    God is not something we become perfect in the minute we become baptized, or commit to Jesus Christ. We have to be taught further, and we go through a spiritual growth. Every one who has accepted Christ is growing and perfecting one step at a time. God refines us as gold and silver, he removes the "dross". We have to continually seek him and abstain from sin, and he will "complete us" "perfect us" and make us whole when we are no longer in the flesh but in our new "angel like" bodies.

    No Christian can be totally perfect as long as they are in the flesh. But they must be sincere in their faith and obedience to God. If we mess up, we must confess our sin to God, turn from our sin, and ask for forgiveness. God will continue to forgive us, but we cannot use this as a "license" to willfully sin" or seek fleshly lust.

    September 27, 2011 at 10:52 pm |
    • Colin

      Have you ever noticed that god always hates the same things you do, loves the same things you do and has the same views on morality, society, $ex and life in general that you do.

      It is so abundantly clear to me that we make the gods in our own image and not visa-versa.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:55 pm |
    • Charlie

      which god are you referring to, Zeus, Thor; the tooth fairy, the spaghetti monster? Don't you think you should come out of the dark ages and stop believing in fairy tales that have no basis in reality, or are you taking some sort of halucinegenic?

      September 27, 2011 at 11:01 pm |
    • Peggy

      Omgawd Sheila, You sound so incredibly brain washed. God this, god that. It's simply a personal decision, because there is no god. Religion is such fairy tale c r a p. I am so tired of it.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:02 pm |
    • babore

      These are just talking points from one sub-culture's religious beliefs. You're not actually speaking about God. You're simply speaking about a cultural interpretation that reflects your view of the world so it appears that God is on your side and your side only. She is not.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:09 pm |
    • Ashrakay

      you had me at "fleshy lust"

      September 28, 2011 at 12:19 am |
  10. FreeAtLast

    I liked it better when they didn't multiple very fast.

    September 27, 2011 at 10:52 pm |
    • Anon

      Thank christian Catholicism for that. In before random protestants saying that Catholics aren't true Christians horses#it.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:33 pm |
  11. Rick H

    Why are libs always anti any sort of standards for behavior or excellence?

    probably because striving to reach standards makes people less dependent on the government

    The more people screw and have kids before they are ready the more likely they are to be good obama idiot voters.

    September 27, 2011 at 10:51 pm |
    • Charlie

      Rick, have you thought of getting medication for your problem?

      September 27, 2011 at 11:03 pm |
    • Observer

      Rick,

      So the people who are encouraging everyone to have as many children as possible are the same people who stereotypically support abortion. No logic whatsoever. Figures.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:08 pm |
    • babore

      What does this have to do with a political ideology? Sure, Christ was quite liberal in his day (universal healthcare and helping the poor anyone?) but the article is about conservative Christians who have the same basic morality as everybody else. So, in conclusion, you're wrong.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:11 pm |
    • Anon

      Mythological Jesus was terrible at giving advice. Thanks to the people who invented Jesus is why many are still playing this ancient game of telephone.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:59 pm |
  12. Irrelevant

    Nonsense like this is able to explain the other interesting statistic – the frenetic pace at which people are leaving organized religion. It continually gets twisted by people – human beings, not God – to brainwash people into complying with their worldview. There's lots of flavors of Christianity that are in deep conflict with one-another. How is that possible? Are the words of Christ that ambiguous? If so, what does it say that the son of God was so bad at communicating? It's either that, or we're not following Christ's words – we're following the words of ordinary men (which God and Christ told us not to do). There's no winning. It's nonsense. There are bigger problems facing the world. Organized religion has a lot more to worry about within their own four walls than this, which is why they are without credibility or relevance on social matters. News flash – morality is not a feature of faith or religion. So what's the point?

    September 27, 2011 at 10:46 pm |
    • Susan Wilson

      The point is that the only thing that will matter when you die is truth. You either go to Heaven or Hell. Hope your truth is the accurate one.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:15 pm |
    • Anon

      Nah we'll just rot in the ground like the other 99% of species that have lived and died before us.
      Eventually the Earth will be destroyed when the Sun goes through it's red giant phase in about 4-5 billion more years.
      Our leftover molecules will go back to the universe when that finally happens.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:38 pm |
  13. A Christian

    This is the problem with Christians today – especially US Christians. Most Christians that I've met know very little of the Bible. They confuse Christianity with The American Dream, e.g., home ownership, nice things, etc.

    If this world truly lived by the teachings of Christ, it would much different – MUCH BETTER.

    September 27, 2011 at 10:40 pm |
    • Anon

      There was once a time when everyone followed the bible to the tee. It was called the dark ages.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:47 pm |
    • EricOnCNN

      So you're promoting the "Ignorance is Bliss" angle?

      September 27, 2011 at 10:47 pm |
    • Sheila

      I found your comment interesting. There are many Christians who fail to read God's word, or to seek his truth on matters, but take the word of someone else at face value. This is dangerous. Jesus Christ, warned early peoples of "false teachers".

      Unfortunately, some Christians are being misled, and misunderstand God's blessings. While we live in the world, we are not to be worldly or live as the world.

      Even in Jesus day, people wanted to hear what "tickled their ears" rather than the truth. Some people want to believe "anything goes". God is very tolerant. He is long-suffering and slow to anger. But there is a point where he draws a line.

      I wouldn't want to be on the bad side of that line. Albeit, I've had my sins and my weakness as a human in different areas, but we must continually seek him and strive to win the race for the prize...eternal life and peace that transcends all understanding...God's Kingdom, where Jesus said "In my father's house there are many mansions", there I go to prepare a place for you. (and the best part...we don't have to pay rent or mortgage payments) (no utility bills) (no medical bills) (no waiting in line at the grocery store). We won't need a car even ... .:)

      September 27, 2011 at 11:03 pm |
    • Zora

      There has always been too much pressure. It is expected of young Christains to remain abstinant until marriage. Well what happens when a person fails? There is very rarely any talk about what to do IF. It is always, "just don't do it, you will be better off". It might be far better to let people know that they always have a choice, they are always loved and accepted even if they make mistakes, and should WANT to make a choice of abstinance for themself, not feel pressured into it because someone said so, out of duty. Since this does after all have to do with religion, need I remind anyone that Jesus said in Matthew 23:27-28 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. 28 Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness." If someone makes an outward change before they change thier desires....they havn't exactly changed at all. Maybe ministers should emphasize talking to Jesus and getting to know his thoughts for ourselves, and pray that he make his will ours. I don't think God ever tries to force his will or manipulate anyone.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:12 pm |
    • angora

      The Bible didn't exist for centuries after Christ lived. Why do you interject that book compiled by corrupt men into what Christ actually taught? Seems you are too confused to really call yourself a Christian.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:13 pm |
    • Anon

      Mythological Jesus was terrible at giving advice. It all sums to this, "Follow me or burn'.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:19 pm |
    • MinnWin

      @Anon

      The majority of the people didn't follow the bible to a tee because they were illiterate and listened to the lies of the rich and powerful, who were literate and could completely mistrue the bible for their own gain. Jesus' teachings were null and void during that time. No hope. Hence, the "Dark Ages".

      September 27, 2011 at 11:25 pm |
    • MinnWin

      @Anon, actually the preaching of Jesus was follow me because I love you. You have the choice to follow, and if you don't want to, then you have that choice as well. But the kicker is, God is light, love, happiness, hope, righteousness, and all that is good with the world. God is not going to force himself on you, therefore if you do not want him, he will do as you wish and seperate himself from you- And he can't give you a nice place to live with happiness and love, because he is those things.

      That is what hell really is- It is seperation from God. Not a torture chamber that a wrathful hateful God created to punish those that didn't listen to what he said. You really need to read the bible before you misconstrue 'the meanings within it.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:28 pm |
    • Anon

      I prefer non-existence than being with your psychotic made up god Yahweh/Jesus/Jehovah.
      The concept of heaven would hypothetically be my hell torment.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:41 pm |
  14. Adam

    I blame it on ChristianMingle.com.

    September 27, 2011 at 10:38 pm |
    • GEZUS

      Let them go at it like cats and dogs.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:42 pm |
  15. Datch

    Wait. This was a surprise???

    September 27, 2011 at 10:38 pm |
  16. andrewthree

    "Today, it’s not unusual to meet a Christian who is single at 30 – or 40 or 50, for that matter. So what do you tell them? Keep waiting?"

    Yes.

    If we need help, we can ask God to help us, and He will.

    September 27, 2011 at 10:33 pm |
    • Bob Smith

      Your fake god has never done anything because it doesn't exist. If you say it exists, where's your proof? You have NONE.

      There are no records of prayers being answered but only random events being interpreted that way without logic or reason.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:35 pm |
    • Colin

      Just like he did the 6 million Jews in Hitler's death camps, right?

      September 27, 2011 at 10:35 pm |
    • Nah

      bob: "Your fake god has never done anything because it doesn't exist. If you say it exists, where's your proof? You have NONE."

      What's sad is that it's painfully obvious from your comment that you know nothing about history, much less anything about philosophy.

      If you did you'd realize that the "proofs" for a god's existence range from the purely logical (Anselm's) to the scientific (cosmological) to the mathematical (Plantinga).

      Hate religion all you want, disbelieve the proofs all you want, but at least be intellectually honest enough to realize (and know) that they exist.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:37 pm |
    • Bob Smith

      Nah, there are no proofs. Anything you've got has been debunked years ago.
      Provide a link or two. Show me these bs proofs you say you've got.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:39 pm |
    • Colin

      Nah, care to extrapolate on one of your proofs? Please, set it out for us to see.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:40 pm |
    • Lauren

      Insane.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:40 pm |
    • Tom

      where's your proof that god doesn't exist Bob Smith? i didn't realise that you had died and experienced no afterlife.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:41 pm |
    • David

      Where was this god on September 11th 2001? Off on a vacation, sleeping? Where?

      September 27, 2011 at 10:48 pm |
    • Nah

      bob: "Nah, there are no proofs. Anything you've got has been debunked years ago."

      Sorry to burst your bubble, but logic can't be debunked.

      "been debunked years ago"

      Ah, right. Of course. And which rebuttals are you referring to?

      I get the distinct feeling you can't name one.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:50 pm |
    • wikiIeaks

      The evidence is all around you. His invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world's creation onward, even his eternal Godship and power so that they are inexcusable. Trees, Just the right of oxygen and nitrogen to breathe, our wasted air feeds plants and theirs feed us, why we see in color... how in the heck did we evolve that??? All of the sudden I need something that never existed so I'm going to naturally select to evolve toward color vision? whatever. The bible is accurate in all areas including science... which is why I love science. it backs up the bible.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:51 pm |
    • wikiIeaks

      that had nothing to do with God... Bible says the Satan is the ruler of this world until his end comes... Therefore, blame Satan because he is the cause of all this... What you're seeing around you is life in Satan's world.... Gladly, some choose to remain loyal to God even though the entire world will turn against them at some point.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:53 pm |
    • Tim

      Where was he on September 11, 2001 you ask? Allowing Humans to excercise their free will, that is where.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:56 pm |
    • James Ruston

      Let's take one of St. Thomas Aquinas' proof for the existence of God. It goes something like this. We look around and see that everything that happens has a cause. Thus, for the universe to exist, it must have had a cause, which is God. Even accepting the "proof," which takes a big stretch of faith, we have to ask, what kind of God is this? Not very personal, is it? No, God must be accepted on faith alone, or not at all. And by the way, Tom, you can't prove that something doesn't exist. That's just nonsense.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:56 pm |
    • Nah

      james: "Even accepting the "proof," which takes a big stretch of faith"

      Brilliant conclusory statement.

      Care to show how and why it takes a big "stretch of faith" to agree with an argument based purely on logic and physical causation?

      September 27, 2011 at 10:58 pm |
    • Bob Smith

      Tom, while we're waiting for the young troll Nah to cough up some links, I will repost part of my first reply to you.

      >Your fake god has never done anything because it doesn't exist. If you say it exists, where's your proof? You have NONE.

      You have no proof. Therefore I am free to dismiss your claim of a god.
      Since you Christians are the once being vocal about it and the ones making the claim that your god exists, then you have to provide proof or I am not only following my conscience in saying your god is obviously made-up, but I am being much better than you in terms of understanding how the idea of proof works and using strict rules of epistemology while I do so.
      You fail. Nah fails. But I'm still waiting for those links, too. I've been to sites where they say they have all these great "arguments" for proving their god.
      Every single one of them has turned out to be total bunk.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:58 pm |
    • Colin

      So James, if everything must have a cause, what caused god? God was "always there", right? In which case the very assumption you used to deduce him is nonsense.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:59 pm |
    • Nah

      bob: "You have no proof. Therefore I am free to dismiss your claim of a god. Since you Christians are the once being vocal about it and the ones making the claim that your god exists, then you have to provide proof"

      More unsubstantiated assertions, eh?

      You were given three of the arguments, and you've yet to even respond to one of them.

      "I've been to sites where they say they have all these great "arguments" for proving their god.
      Every single one of them has turned out to be total bunk."

      It's nice of you to say this, but merely say "that" they're bunk doesn't make it so, does it?

      September 27, 2011 at 11:01 pm |
    • br

      Just my two cents. . . You do not have to be a christian to be a decent person. I was raised a christian and all I saw from my family was violence. One of our pastors, when I was a child, was punched in the face by a deacon because the deacon did not agree with him. One other example; I could not go to a friends wedding because I had to work so now I am not allowed at his parents house ever again. Oh yeah, they are christians as well. Don't judge me because I am not a christian. I still give back to my community, respect people and I taught myself that.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:04 pm |
    • Nah

      colin: "if everything must have a cause, what caused god?"

      CNN won't post the argument I gave you, but here:

      Given the premise of the argument this question is a total non-sequitur. It's precisely because there had to be a first cause that it's illogical to ask what came "before" the first cause.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:04 pm |
    • wikiIeaks

      The evidence is all around you. His invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world's creation onward, even his eternal Godship and power so that they are inexcusable. Trees, Just the right of oxygen and nitrogen to breath, our wasted air feeds plants and theirs feed us, why we see in color... how in the heck did we evolve that??? All of the sudden I need something that never existed so I'm going to naturally select to evolve toward color vision? whatever. The bible is accurate in all areas including science... which is why I love science. it backs up the bible.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:07 pm |
    • Nah

      colin: "So James, if everything must have a cause, what caused god? God was "always there", right? In which case the very assumption you used to deduce him is nonsense."

      Not really.

      The "assumption" used to deduce the existence of a god is based on the physical and logical impossibility of an infinite regress of material causes. The "perpetual" existence of a god doesn't violate that rule, because it is not based on the "perpetual cause" of a god.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:07 pm |
    • wikiIeaks

      br... don't mistake true christians for false.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:08 pm |
    • Bob Smith

      Nah, what assertions have I made that weren't predicated upon YOU having ACTUAL baseless assertions in the first place?

      Eh?

      September 27, 2011 at 11:11 pm |
    • Nah

      bob: "Nah, what assertions have I made that weren't predicated upon YOU having ACTUAL baseless assertions in the first place?"

      Another swing and a miss for bob.

      You assertions were conclusory, hence they were unsubstantiated. Merely saying "that' someone is wrong is futile without showing how and why it's true.

      Try again?

      September 27, 2011 at 11:13 pm |
    • Observer

      wikiIeaks,
      "I love science. it backs up the bible"

      Sure. What science book talks about talking serpents or unicorns?

      What physics book says that the earth spinning at 1,000 mph can suddenly stop with no impact?

      September 27, 2011 at 11:13 pm |
    • Bob Smith

      Nah, you are the ones with the "baseless assertion" in this game. Do you deny it?

      September 27, 2011 at 11:18 pm |
    • Truthhurts

      Yes, those "links" on the internet. Yes, that will convince you, of course it will.

      No it won't.

      Pure and SImple. God gave us first Abraham, THen Moses and THen Jesus. He helped man write a bible, in it he tells us he exists, and what he expects from us.

      There is a place called a library or a book store, the link that is called a road. Once you get to the book store or library you can ask for a Bible.

      Whether you read it or not is up to you. You can't say you never had the chance or no one told you.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:19 pm |
    • Answer

      @Nah

      The person who demands others to prove, yet never does it himself. Take the position that you have given prove (by just saying I have) and toss back a line. There was a guy call "A Theist" who actually lead with his mouth better than you Nah, he was far more entertaining. You are just a two bit hack who just doesn't have proof.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:20 pm |
    • Nah

      answer: "The person who demands others to prove, yet never does it himself."

      Reading comprehension isn't your strong point, is it?

      If you looked, arguments were given for how and why "colin" and "bob" were wrong. Much less, I even gave an argument supporting why their opposition might be right.

      But no no. Keep up the ad hominems. They do wonders for your intelligence.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:24 pm |
    • Answer

      Highlight them out why don't you the Nah..

      Let me see where you find the path that they need to prove their points. I see your various one-liners.. that's a great start.
      I'm sure you are thinking you can win this .. so let's continue. Point them out. Input your comment with proof along to show them where they are wrong. If you're so kind.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:32 pm |
    • Answer

      I especially love this one :)

      "They do wonders for your intelligence." What do they call these kind of remarks? Ahh yes – must be an insult to attack.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:34 pm |
    • S1N

      @Nah – Since you want to be a good little sheep, let's discuss proofs.

      Anselm – Need I say more than St. Thomas Aquinas' argument against Anselm? Ok, I will. You have the Kantian proof of God (basically) existing only within the Self. Also, you cannot use the essence of God as proof for his existence without properly defining what "God's" essence is.

      Second, we can play the Argument against Evil. Plantinga's free will defense is also flawed, as such a being would have no desire for such evil to exist in the first place. Free will can still exist in the absence of "evil". You can choose between two "good" choices and still have free will. If you like, I can toss in a little argument from inconsistent revelations.

      The problems with the cosmological argument are numerous. Was there something before the current universe? Possibly. Given our current understanding of the universe, the two most prominent theories are a previous universe and the old singularity model. If you want to delve into string theory (which I won't due to its controversial standing in the scientific community), even more potential non-deity causes exist. There is no requirement of a God to accept the origins of the universe.

      In fact, the cosmological argument is fundamentally flawed at its core. The basic question of "if the universe had to be created, who/what could have created the universe". Most pseudo-philosophers will automatically answer God, and ignore the equally valid responding question. If God created the universe, then who created God?

      Finally, Plantinga's argument is inherently flawed. As for math, the reason math is so structured and logical is that it has been created for the sole purpose of making sense of the world. It was designed to fit the data, not the other way around.

      As for his main argument, it is quite possibly the WORST argument ever made for God's existence. NONE of Plantiga's premises NECESSARILY follow each other. My personal favorite screw up of his is when he states that the existence of God is necessary because it could possibly be necessary. In order to have a valid conclusion, there must be only one possible solution when the premises are true, AND the premises have to be true.

      The paraphrased version of Plantiga is:

      1)It is possible that God exists.
      2)It is possible that it is necessary for God to exist.
      3) Therefore, it is necessary for god to exist.
      4) Therefore, God exists.

      If you cannot spot the obvious flaws in this argument, you have no place opening your mouth.
      Even if you assume that 1 and 2 are true, 3 does not necessarily follow. It is also possible, using only lines 1 and 2, for God to neither be necessary nor exist. His first conclusion is not the only possible outcome of his argument, and his entire argument falls apart.

      In other words, tell your Spaghetti Monster from Behind the Moon to go back where he came from. The rest of us have REAL work to do.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:37 pm |
    • Bob Smith

      So, Nah, you are a rabid follower of the ontological argument despite every such argument being debunked throughout history.
      Anselm couldn't tie his own philosophical shoelaces and enjoyed some notoriety amongst people like you who took his arguments at face value instead of digging deeper. Bad logic and lazy thinking aren't going to prove your god's existence to anyone but deluded people like yourself.

      From >>plato.stanford.edu/entries/ontological-arguments/ :

      "Any reading of any ontological argument which has been produced so far which is sufficiently clearly stated to admit of evaluation yields a result which is invalid, or possesses a set of premises which it is clear in advance that no reasonable, reflective, well-informed, etc. non-theists will accept, or has a benign conclusion which has no religious significance, or else falls prey to more than one of the above failings."

      When you have an actual good argument for the existence of your fake god, feel free to come on back and share it with us..

      September 27, 2011 at 11:37 pm |
  17. Nah

    jame: "They represent the best of human nature, the hope of our species, and the reason I believe in virtue, DESPITE religion. People like you make me so sad."

    The "best" of human nature? "Best" by what standard, pray tell? Your own subjective standards that are linked (of course) to your own desires, feelings, hopes and wishes?

    "the reason I believe in virtue, DESPITE religion."

    And where does "virtue" come from in your decidedly atheist universe?

    Even on your own account you're merely doing "good" because it brings you pleasure, and avoiding what's "bad" because it brings you pain. That is, avoiding punishment by society or by your conscience.

    So, that begs the question: how are you any better than the Christian who does "good" out of fear of punishment from a god?

    In fact, doesn't it make you worse? After all, the only reason you have to do good is if it makes you happy or helps you avoid pain. It stands to reason then that if doing wrong can bring you pleasure, you ought to do it, doesn't it?

    September 27, 2011 at 10:32 pm |
    • Bob Smith

      Nah, the words you are using have multiple definition. Either define your terms or admit you don't know what you're talking about.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:37 pm |
    • Nah

      bob: "Nah, the words you are using have multiple definition. Either define your terms or admit you don't know what you're talking about."

      Another brilliant rebuttal by Bob.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:38 pm |
    • wikiIeaks

      in other words, they do good for selfish reasons... christians do good out of love of God and neighbor... it's not for ourselves. True, there are bad things I'd like to do... but I know that would displease my heavenly father, my fleshly father, my wife, my son, get the point?

      September 27, 2011 at 10:39 pm |
    • Bob Smith

      We use moral relativism EVERYWHERE, Nah. There are NO moral absolutes, no moral "properties" to ANYTHING.

      You think "good" is what you have been trained to believe, like a dumb puppy who has been trained to poo in a particular section of the back yard. All morals are relative to the culture. If there were moral absolutes, then you wouldn't need a bible now would you?

      September 27, 2011 at 10:43 pm |
    • Nah

      bob: "You think "good" is what you have been trained to believe, like a dumb puppy who has been trained to poo in a particular section of the back yard."

      Reading comprehension isn't your forte, is it?

      I asked "james" where he thought "morality" and "virtue" came from when he doesn't believe in a god. He seems to think that all humans can be "virtuous" and "good", but never says what standard he uses for defining the "good".

      Much less, he failed at showing that you even "ought" to be good.

      Try again?

      September 27, 2011 at 10:47 pm |
    • Nah

      bob: "We use moral relativism EVERYWHERE, Nah. There are NO moral absolutes, no moral "properties" to ANYTHING."

      Yes ma'am. In the absence of a god there is no "right" and "wrong".

      So next time you feel indignant about slavery, or gender discrimination, just step and realize your anger has no basis outside of your subjective, and so irrelevant, feelings.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:48 pm |
    • EricOnCNN

      I do good to others because I have a strong sense of empathy, and a clear sense of Reality.

      You do good because you were indoctrinated into being afraid not to. But what happens if and when it no longer scares you anymore?

      September 27, 2011 at 10:53 pm |
    • Nah

      eric: "I do good to others because I have a strong sense of empathy, and a clear sense of Reality. ... You do good because you were indoctrinated into being afraid not to. But what happens if and when it no longer scares you anymore?"

      Right, so you do "good" because you've because you're afraid of your conscience and feeling guilty.

      Good job.

      "a clear sense of Reality"

      What does this even mean?

      September 27, 2011 at 10:55 pm |
    • xeno

      I see your point, but most Christians I've met base their actions on what will keep god from punishing them, not on their conscience. One might wonder, if a child learns good vs. bad only through threat of punishment and reward, do they develop a conscience that allows them to understand ambiguous situations on their own? There's something deeper in us as human beings that fails to be developed when children cannot ask questions and be given honest answers.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:57 pm |
    • wikiIeaks

      I don't fear doing bad... I have done bad before.. the problem is, now I regret it... but I know that as long as I abstain from those things, I have favor with God. I do not fear a burning hell because that's not scriptural. It's a lie that false religion uses to keep others paying their salaries.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:00 pm |
    • wikiIeaks

      which is why true christians encourage questions so that people can be educated.When you learn how to live a healthy lifestyle, it makes you feel better than anything else I've experienced. Knowing that I live good because I choose to, despite the world falling apart around me.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:02 pm |
    • daisy

      Just would like to point out that being anti religion does not mean being atheist. Also, morality does not come from religion, it comes from society. If you ask why or how an atheist can be as moral as a Christian then you are obviously a christian that has gone astray. That is exactly like asking if a black person can be as good as a white person when they have different color skin. It makes you close minded Nah, not right.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:06 pm |
    • Bob Smith

      nah: "What does this even mean?"

      I guess that tears the mask off you, young'un. You have a bad grasp on reality. You think a little philosophy can clear those zits right up, but you couldn't be more wrong.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:07 pm |
    • Nah

      bob: "I guess that tears the mask off you, young'un. You have a bad grasp on reality. You think a little philosophy can clear those zits right up, but you couldn't be more wrong."

      Not really.

      Try again?

      September 27, 2011 at 11:08 pm |
    • Bob Smith

      So, Nah, are you one of those who cannot understand simple science facts? It sure looks like it from here.
      And you also appear to have a loose grasp on the concept of logic and probably have to look up "epistemology".

      You haven't provided any arguments yet. But I keep hoping you'll have the guts to actually argue instead of using ad hominems when you have nothing to show.

      Got links?

      September 27, 2011 at 11:14 pm |
    • Observer

      "christians do good out of love of God and neighbor... it's not for ourselves."

      So bribes (heaven) and threats (hell) have NOTHING to do with it?

      September 27, 2011 at 11:15 pm |
    • S1N

      It's decidedly hedonistic. It works. That is a good thing. If it feels good and does not involve potential jail time or alimony payments, why not?

      September 27, 2011 at 11:39 pm |
    • EricOnCNN

      @Nah I've tried replying to you 6 times now. CNN doesn't seem to like my response.

      September 28, 2011 at 12:07 am |
  18. Truthhurts

    They really should call this "Unbelief" blog or Atheist encouragement blog since it really has ZERO here that is about "Belief".

    The fact remains that there is ZERO proof that God does not exist, so the end result is that an Atheist has faith there is no God.

    An atheist views themselves as the highest authority and when listening to them they actually believe they are super geniuses and are able to control nature, but have no control over their own bodies and impulses. Priceless.

    September 27, 2011 at 10:31 pm |
    • Danteg8son

      Atheists have nothing to prove since they make no supernatural claims. They simply do not buy supernatural claims made without credible evidence.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:38 pm |
    • wikiIeaks

      The evidence is all around you. His invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world's creation onward, even his eternal Godship and power so that they are inexcusable. Trees, Just the right of oxygen and nitrogen to breath, our wasted air feeds plants and theirs feed us, why we see in color... how in the heck did we evolve that??? All of the sudden I need something that never existed so I'm going to naturally select to evolve toward color vision? whatever. The bible is accurate in all areas including science... which is why I love science. it backs up the bible.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:43 pm |
    • wikiIeaks

      breathe

      September 27, 2011 at 10:44 pm |
    • Observer

      "I love science. it backs up the bible."

      The bible only offers stories that CONTRADICT science. Tell us about talking serpents and unicorns.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:19 pm |
    • Anon

      and sacrificing animals, zombies rising from graves, etc.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:23 pm |
    • Answer

      @wikileaks

      You're probably one of those ID-iots aren't you?
      You read the "christian science" as the main 'true science' and that is real science for you to accept because those guys word it in the language of religion for you to digest and agree with. So tell me what new science has your bunch been researching? Can we take a look at your 'proven' theories? How about giving the test results and methodology of repeatability?

      September 27, 2011 at 11:28 pm |
  19. Bob

    In other news, the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, and water remains wet.

    September 27, 2011 at 10:28 pm |
    • Anon

      Tide goes in, tide goes out, can't debate that.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:36 pm |
  20. Colin

    Ten Signs You Know you are an Atheist.

    1. You were likely brought up a theist (probably a Christian if you live in the USA) and had to do your own thinking to rise above the beliefs that still occupy the mind of the believer. This usually involved being smart and working hard at school and college so as to get a good, accurate view of the natural Universe and overcoming significant social pressure to dumb yourself down and conform. In short, you had the guts to ask the hard questions and the brains to spot the weak answers. The more you came to understand the Universe, the less reason there was to believe in a god and the more you came to appreciate human nature, the more you understood why billions of us still do.

    2. While rejecting the supernatural elements of the Bible, you nevertheless retain a large amount of the morality taught today by mainstream Christianity. To the extent you reject Christian morality, it is where it is mean spirited – such as in the way it seeks to curtail freedoms or oppose the rights of $exual minorities. In most other respects, your basic moral outlook is indistinguishable from that of the liberal Christian – you just don’t need the mother of all carrots and sticks hanging over your head in order to act in a manner that you consider moral.

    3. You know a great deal more about the Bible than most believers. This is because you took the time to read it yourself and did not rely on the primary-color simple stories you learned in Sunday school. You have also probably done some research into the historical Jesus and have a good handle on where he REALLY fit in to the broader picture of the Middle East at the time. Needless to say, his miracles and other magic powers soon started to look pretty unlikely.

    4. Your knowledge of basic science and history is much stronger than that of your average believer. You likely have a basic working knowledge of physics, astronomy, evolutionary biology and cosmology and a good idea of the history of life on this planet. This acc.umulated knowledge puts you in a position to judge the claims of the Bible in a critical light and they are almost always found wanting. To the theist, this makes you “elitist” and ‘arrogant”.

    5. You relish your role as a religious minority in the USA, as this gives you an impetus to fight and you understand how others with unpopular, but doubtlessly correct views have felt throughout history. There is something altogether satisfying to you about having a deep conviction you are right and being viewed with disdain for your views by the errant majority. You feel a quiet confidence that future generations will look back on you as a member of a class of trailblazers, as religious supersti.tions go into inevitable decline in popularity.

    6. You are likely more environmentally aware than your theist friends and colleagues and unlikely to fall for claims of industry and wind-bag politicians concerning the impact of man’s activities on the environment. You could no more act in an environmentally irresponsible manner because “god will keep us safe” than you could jump off a ship, believing King Neptune will keep you safe.

    7. You generally have a live and let live atti.tude, but will fiercely defend any attempts by theists to thrust their views on you or your children, directly or through control of school boards, the legislature or the executive. While you are prepared to debate and argue passionately with the theist on an intellectual level, you would never wish them harm or ill will. You know you are likely to be smugly told you will “burn in hell for all eternity” for your healthy skepticism. This highlights what you despise about religion, as you would not wish a bad sunburn on another, simply because they have a different religious view to you. You have never heard of an evolutionary biologist strapping a bomb to himself and running into a church yelling “Darwin-u akbar”.

    8. You likely know more about other religions than your average theist. This makes you less fearful of them and enables you to see parallels. You realize that, if you were born in India, you would have been brought up with a totally different religion. You realize that every culture that has ever existed has had its own god(s) and they always favor that particular culture, its hopes, dreams and prejudices. They cannot all exist and you see the error all faiths make of thinking only theirs exist(s). This “rising above” the regional nature of all religions was probably instrumental in your achieving atheism.

    9. You likely have a deep, genuine appreciation of the fathomless beauty and unbelievable complexity of our Universe, from the 4 nucleotides that orchestrate every aspect of you, through to the distant quasars, without having to think it was all made for you. You likely get more out of being the irrelevant ant staring up at the cosmos than you do in having to pretend that it was all made to turn in majestic black-and-white pirouette about you.

    10. While you have a survival instinct, you cannot fear death in the way the theist does. You know that the whole final judgment story, where you may be sent to hell if you fail, is Dark Ages nonsense meant to keep the Church’s authority. You also know that you were dead for 13,700,000,000 years before you were born. It is impossible for you to fear death, for the simple reason that you know the capacity to fear (or to feel pain or discomfort) itself dies. You will not even know you are dead. Fear of death is as meaningless to you as is the fear of a vacuum, the fear of not being born. You feel a lot more secure, and indeed a deep comfort, in this knowledge, than you would in trying to yoke yourself to some quasi-hope that every part of your intellect tells you is untenable.

    September 27, 2011 at 10:28 pm |
    • The real john

      Way too long. This is for comments, not another article

      September 27, 2011 at 10:32 pm |
    • Nah

      coli: "Ten Signs You Know you are an Atheist."

      Fallacious ad hominems pass for intelligence in your mind, eh?

      tsk tsk

      September 27, 2011 at 10:34 pm |
    • seth

      professing themselves wise they became fools.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:41 pm |
    • Gary

      I think you nailed it with all 10 reasons. Your 10 reasons will get emailed to all my infidel friends. GOOD JOB!

      September 27, 2011 at 10:42 pm |
    • Bob Smith

      Nice one, Colin!

      September 27, 2011 at 10:48 pm |
    • wikiIeaks

      1 sign you know you're a dummy: 10 signs you know you're an atheist.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:57 pm |
    • Rob

      What we have here, is a bad case of verbal diarrhea.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:02 pm |
    • Pastor

      This is for Bob Smith who asked for proof of God's existence. God is known by faith now but proves His word to be the truth.
      http://www.branham.org.

      Take a look at this website–if you have an open mind and are willing to sit down with a Bible and compare it to this man's ministry, there will be no need for further proof. I challenge you.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:05 pm |
    • Bob Smith

      "Pastor", I was a very devout Christian before I read the Bible. Now I am an atheist. How's that grab ya?

      September 27, 2011 at 11:16 pm |
    • saxophone31

      Colin, everything you said is completely true. I have been an atheist for many years now (even before I officially proclaimed I didn't believe sometime during elementary school, I viewed Bible stories in the same way I viewed fairy tales).
      I don't try to force my views on others, but theists always seem to want to force their views on me. They seem to believe I'll be happier believing in a mythical sky being. Apparently I should give up my ability to think for myself and be intelligent so I can be "happy."
      I have morals. Theists often find this hard to believe. Just because I don't have a man in the sky to fear doesn't mean I don't have a conscience.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:18 pm |
    • Nah

      sax: "Apparently I should give up my ability to think for myself and be intelligent so I can be "happy.""

      Ah, right. Because coming to a conclusion, and therefore having a belief, means you give up your intelligence.

      Brilliant theory.

      "I have morals. Theists often find this hard to believe. Just because I don't have a man in the sky to fear doesn't mean I don't have a conscience."

      Nah. No one says an atheist can't be moral or good, it's just that they have no reason to. That is, no reason outside of their own conscience or fear of punishment.

      Hence, in an atheist's world, he would be stupid not to do wrong so long as his conscience permits him to, and so long as he can get away with it.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:22 pm |
    • Pastor

      For Bob Smith:

      I'm sorry to say it but you were never a Christian. A Christian is not a church-goer it is someone who has the life of Christ in him or her. Other than that you were just another person who read the Bible and did not go on to meet Christ.

      Visit the website...it will help you if you let it. Best wishes in this life.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:25 pm |
    • MinnWin

      I love Atheists because they spend so much time trying to disprove the bible. If it's a fairytale, than why do you spend so much time trying to prove that it's wrong?

      September 27, 2011 at 11:36 pm |
    • EricOnCNN

      Great writeup Colin!

      September 27, 2011 at 11:41 pm |
    • Answer

      @MinnWin

      Politics affect people.

      People who are religious with power wanting to enforce society with religious control.

      Put together the logic and see where you want to fall in to society. If you're not a voter, then you most definitely can not argue that your government has run your society amoc. It's a telling point of how much you want your government to be working for the people and not the other way around.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:45 pm |
    • Bob Smith

      Oh I "had Christ in me". Don't worry yerself none about that. I said I was devout. What part of devout don't you understand?

      September 28, 2011 at 12:10 am |
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