By John Blake, CNN
(CNN) –True love doesn’t wait after all.
That’s the implication in the upcoming October issue of an evangelical magazine that claims that young, unmarried Christians are having premarital sex almost as much as their non-Christian peers.
The article in Relevant magazine, entitled “(Almost) Everyone’s Doing It,” cited several studies examining the sexual activity of single Christians. One of the biggest surprises was a December 2009 study, conducted by the National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy, which included information on sexual activity.
While the study’s primary report did not explore religion, some additional analysis focusing on sexual activity and religious identification yielded this result: 80 percent of unmarried evangelical young adults (18 to 29) said that they have had sex - slightly less than 88 percent of unmarried adults, according to the teen pregnancy prevention organization.
The article highlights what challenges abstinence movements face. Movements such as “True Love Waits,” encourage teens to wear purity rings, sign virginity pledges and pledge chastity during public ceremonies.
Yet many of these Christian youths eventually abandon their purity pledges, Relevant’s Tyler Charles concludes in the article. Tyler talked to people like “Maria,” an evangelical woman who said she wanted to wait until marriage to have sex.
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But she said she started having sex with her college boyfriend when she turned 20 because nearly everyone, even most of her Christian friends, were having sex.
It seemed everyone in my life, older and younger, had “done it.” In fact, I waited longer than most people I knew and longer than both of my sisters, even though we were all Christians and came from a good home.
Relevant theorizes about why it’s so hard for so many young Christians to wait, including the saturation of sex in popular culture, the prevalence of pornography and a popular “do what feels good philosophy.”
Yet the article also asks a question that rarely comes up in discussions about abstinence movement. Relevant notes that in biblical times, people married earlier. The average age for marriage has been increasing in the U.S for the last 40 years.
Today, it’s not unusual to meet a Christian who is single at 30 - or 40 or 50, for that matter. So what do you tell them? Keep waiting?
Scot McKnight, author of “The Jesus Creed,” and "One.Faith: Jesus Calls, We Follow," acknowledges that young, single Christians face temptations that their counterparts in the biblical age didn’t face.
He tells Relevant:
Sociologically speaking, the one big difference – and it’s monstrous – between the biblical teaching and our culture is the arranged marriages of very young people. If you get married when you’re 13, you don’t have 15 years of temptation.
So what should a Christian parent or youth pastor do? How do they convince more young Christians to wait until marriage, or should they stop even trying?
Interesting how "it doesn't apply anymore, the times are changing!" applies to pre-marital romance, but not gay romance.
Duuuuuuuuuh, we're only supposed to read the bible figuritively, unless it meshes up with my own personal beliefs, then its clearly supposed to be literal. How tough is that to understand? I mean god can understand if we tweak his bible a little bit, but if we tweak it a lot, he's going to get really angry and do nothing.
I just read the OT figuratively. I think Christianity needs to put more emphasis on the NT. When we focus so much on the OT we are basically Jews.
"When we focus so much on the OT we are basically Jews."
And we wouldn't want that. I mean how does one follow Jesus and be a Jew at the ... oh, yeah.
The OT is mostly an apocryphal history of the Jewish people, written by and for semites.
The NT is an attempt to spread the Abrahamic God to the rest of the world by making Him less smitey and vengeful and thus more palatable.
Anyone who believes the first and last chapters to eb factual (Genesis and Revelation) needs their head checked!
I am not a big fan of Revelation either. Seems more like John having a bad dream. I always want to study it more though, just have not done it yet.
The book of Revelation is genuine,u as a christian hoping to head into Heaven gates ought to read it very very seriously!! If u don't,to whom was the book dedicated to?.....Read it.(May the grace of our Lord be with you all)
@JW Christians ARE Jews. They were kicked out of the sacred Jew order but they are still Jews.
Doc Vestibule said, "The OT is mostly an apocryphal history of the Jewish people, written by and for semites."
Moses was a Semite?
@ Doc – I find it kinda funny how you say other's need to have their heads checked when Genesis has plenty of evidence to back up it's story and the only reason Revelation doesn't is because it hasn't happened...yet.
Genesis has plenty of evidence to back it up?! A talking snake in an enchanted garden... please tell me you're kidding.
Doc Vestibule – Spreading the Aramaic God around is harder than you might think since Moses abandoned the god of Abraham for the new Yahweh, he is a war god attached to the Moon. He abandoned the female aspect of the God and look at the mess that has gotten us into.
So, why was the God of Abraham abandoned by Moses?
They didn't say it doesn't apply anymore. They said it's harder to live up to.
Sioned31, Moses and Jesus were both devout Jews.
Sioned31 – which means they are Semetic people, just like Arabs.
I was a virgin until 22. Ture Love Waits.I am a nice looking male.Blessings.Eph 2:8.
For young people struggling with staying pure until thier wedding night, having good, sincere Christian friends-mentors-role models can really help.
The Professor from "Gilligan's Island" was able to stay celibate throughout high school and college right up to his wedding night. How did he do it? Just by being the Professor.
One night at the drive-in movie his date tried to cozy up to him. Remember the Professor's response? "Hey! Hey! Back off! Kissing on the lips is far from sanitary! It can lead to all sorts of bacterial transfer!"..."And on a school night yet!...During the cold and flu season!"
Of course, this put a considerable chill on the romantic mood and there was no second date, therefore no further temptation.
Good things come in small packages.
Hmmm... I must be band from posting comments on this Blog.
Yeah I think I am too.
No, you just got to watch that potty keyboard of yours.
Christians being hypocrites? No way CNN, I can't believe it.
lol i was looking for the first moron to taunt other peoples beliefs. you sir are the reason wars are started. please dont have children
Yeah, Phil really is a moron, isn't he? Although it would be refreshing if you could come up with a slightly more original invective, like imbecile. Like "lol", "moron" is getting a little shopworn.
Back to your point, it's really wonderful that Christians NEVER taunt or ridicule other's beliefs, isn't it?
Yeah Phil! Thanks for the wars.
A war was never once fought about Religion. Phil and seriously stop all the wars
There are so many things that contribute to "early" s*e*x that as the old cliech says, "it wlould make a list as long as your arm:most of them are related to "accepted rules" of society" Biologicaly the human body is ready to reproduce at the age of 14 to 16 years, sooner in some cases. We only need to go back in history about 150 years to find people getting married younger. Even in my own time if a young lady was not married by the time she was 22-25 people would wonder what was wrong. With the influence of "modern" media, s*e*x is woven into almost everything i.e. movies and TV, with BR scenes, s*e*x*y music, fashion and advertsement with counterconceptives and an abortion is easy to get, s*e*x is more appealing. So, with social changes what else can be expected? Young men with raging hormones are less responsable, and young women feel less vulnerable; so consequenses are set aside. Also, I think Hippypoet meant, it 'feels' good. Why wait? Still, there are consequenses.
No matter what people say its possible to wait till marriage. I didn't get married till I was 32 and it was definitely hard at times but it was well worth it. My wife was 24,almost 25, and she was also a virgin. We both feel so blessed to have waited. We feel our bond to be very special knowing that we saved ourselves for only each other. I'm sorry to hear that our story is becoming so rare because I feel we gained so much and did not sacrifice anything.
You sacrificed a lot of good times.
I'm happily married to an amazing women. I did not sacrifice a thing.
How do you know you gained more than others from the experience when you've only lived one side. You have a biased opinion. Marriage is more just a piece of paper to me. I'm getting married on Saturday. I've been with my fiancee for four years and love her dearly along with our son. I've felt like I am married for about three years, and I don't feel like being OFFICIALLY married is going to make me love her any more or any less. So what's the big deal.
Respectfully, Josh, it's impossible for you to know what you don't know. And what you don't know could fill a warehouse.
Props to you and your wife Josh. I realize that the very idea of maintaining one's virginity until marriage is totally foreign to most these days and therefor something akin to complete idiocy. It is a shame that more don't applaud you for living out your faith in a subtantive way that hurts NOBODY. You chose to give up something for a season that, in your belief system, provides benefits and blessings on many different levels. Why is that worthy of ridicule? Aren't we "open-minded" Americans supposed to be non-judgemental to people with different beliefs than ourselves? Or...maybe that doesn't apply to Christians?? Peace Brother, continue to fight the good fight...finish the race.
I bet you guys got married about 3 months into your relationship
I'm with you Josh, despite what others may say.
To me the strongest (non-religious) argument for waiting is that if you or your spouse is accustomed to sleeping with anyone they are strongly attracted to, it will be more difficult to remain faithful after marriage – assuming that is important to your marriage. Not married to her – oops, can't sleep with her!
I didn't wait, but if I could do it over again I would have. That said, I married when I was younger, I was 23. Though I am a Christian, I would not have waited because of that, I would have waited because the risk at least at younger ages, does not outweigh the rewards.
and with no other experience to compare too, how would you know you gained anything?
I'm going to have to agree with John on that. There's no way of knowing what you sacrificed Phil because you didn't experience any of it. If that works for you, then definitely more power to you though. I am personally happy knowing I didn't have to sacrifice my good times and still found the man I was meant to be with later on.
Josh.... "Blessed our the persecuted for theirs is the kingdom of heaven!" God bless you sir.
Everyone here didn't experience one side of this argument. You can't possibly tell Josh he is biased because he is advocating the path he chose.
Those who chose not to wait missed something as well and are in no better position to comment on the tradeoff they made than Josh is.
For those who say Josh doesn't know what he's missing because he didn't experience it. Come on! Do i have to touch a hot stove even though I know it will be painful just so I can have the "experience"? You can't tell me that when you are with the man/woman you love that knowing that he/she is yours and yours alone isn't amazing. Oh, i guess you can't because you haven't "experienced" it.
Josh- the gift of pure initmacy you gave to your wife is something that the negative posters here will never understand. It is they who have missed out on something beautiful; not you!
You missed 14 years of heaven and your wife missed 6 years of heaven. How can that be a good thing?
I too was one of the few who waited, and my husband and I were both virgins on our wedding day despite 5 years of daily temptation. We were 23 when we married, as we both wanted to finish school and have a viable way to support ourselves
(read: job) before starting our life together. Could we have had 5 more years of "good times"? Sure, but that isn't what living out my faith is about. Most people are only living for themselves, despite whatever faith they may profess, and thus good times are the basis of the good life for them. If you are living for God and others, then you know that trials (and waiting certainly can be a trial at times) build character. I feel that we really got to grow our characters and test our faith during that time. That strong bedrock has been necessary to get us through (and even grow us more) during some severe trials later that would have caused a lot of other couples to divorce.
In Ancient Rome, Vestal Virgins were killed for their failures, buried alive, if that was not a deterent then..........,
Norbert The Antimatter Dragon,
Remember what you wrote today, and prepare yourself for God's response.
Barry: Pascal's Wager. Read up on it and stop embarrassing yourself, you stupid, stupid fool. Just do it.
Apparently you think god is the moderator on this forum. wow
Use condoms. Protect yourself and your girl friend. Protect the environment.
Children need to be born to a responsible, loving and nurturing parents.
Well said – morals and religion aside – personal responsibility is the answer.
if only every one could use this kind of wisdom. I salute you, Oldeye
'Protect the environment'? Uh?
The first good comment I've read! Nice one Oldeye.
What I look for in a woman:
2) Pretty face
5) A pulse
Note: Pulse optional
I'd say that the pulse is the only important thing to me. Everything else is optional.
Heh. You know, in one of my criminal justice courses, we studied deviant and illegal se.xua.l crimes. Funny thing was, in California, the reason bea.stia.lity and necr.o.phi.lia are illegal is because consent cannot be established. That's the only reason. I remember half the class busting up laughing.
But i thought the rule was if they do not or cannot consent. Maybe it doesn't apply to corpses.
It is. If one cannot give consent (i.e. unconscious, dead, incapable of communication, etc) then se.xua.l contact is illegal. So because, you cannot prove that a mule can grant consent, because it is incapable of communication, it's illegal.
Stop penetrating my case... that's my job.
Hell was not created for humans, it was created for Satan and his angels. Unfortunately many humans will be there, becuse of their refusal to honor God and because of their subsequent wickedness.
I will not be in Hell, as you said, because God's son died on the cross for me, and I believe in and trust him.
Remember what God said to his servant Abraham in Gen 12:
I will bless you, and those who curse you I will curse.
This promise, of course, extends to Christians, who are party of this covenant.
Do you really want to curse one of God's faithful servants?
Do you really want to incur God's wrath?
Those who cursed Abraham learned that this was very, very foolish.
Barry, Pascal's Wager. Google it, you fool and stop embarrassing yourself.
There is not a single shred of verified evidence for any of the supernatural beings or events in the Bible.
This is from the school of "You'll be in trouble when Dad gets home!"
You totally took that scripture out of context. Did you skip the one that talks about not speaking curses, but rather blessings? God id not given to cursing other people just because someone may have offended you and insulted your pius ego.
Thank you Tim! I always think that when I read these feeble threats from christians.
@ Norbert – you don't seem to actually know what it is you're talking about do you?
@ Magic – No shred of evidence in any Biblical event? Are you smarter than a 5th grader? I suppose you answered "yes"...better luck next time.
@Norbert The Antimatter Dragon, – Interesting on Pascals wager. But what of his bachelor life after his wife died? what of his conversion?
I said, "There is not a single shred of verified evidence for any of the supernatural beings or events in the Bible." - That's SUPERNATURAL BEINGS OR EVENTS.
Sorry for your reading & comprehension problem.
Ah Barry, but your god is fictional. So is heaven, hell, and all the other nonsense things people have dreamed up to deal with their fear of death.
barry when you die your body breaks up and is eaten by copious amounts of insects and the like (thats if you get buried of course cremation just turns you into carbon) so what exactly gos to heaven your soul? if heaven were true (pretty logical that it isnt) you'd have no physical being, you wouldnt be able to think because you'd have no brain what exactly is the benefit of going to heaven or hell? if gods real i say bring on his wrath because hes a sadistic c**t
@ Snacky 777, I would say that "the wager" itself is an idea and is not dependent on the decisions the man made afterward (kinda like basing an argument about Darwin's Natural Selection on any statement's he made after the book was published, it really doesn't matter if you just want to discuss the book), if he retracted this idea then for whatever reason fine, it doesn't mean one can't still argue the point (even though arguing over this very subject is pointless in general). Norbert is right, what Barry is doing is an old old old strategy to push the fear of god...sort of like don't make god mad...just play the role of god's sly little sycophant and you'll be fine. It is really annoying to hear the same fear mongering crap over and over from people who are outright offended by liberal sentiments and statements. I too will have incurred the wrath of Barry's god by simply discussing the subject...anyway...what happened after Pascal's conversion?
People keep confusing those who go to church or who are religious with Christians.
There is a great difference.
Ha, keep on believing that. Christianity and Religion is the same thing these days. I am ashamed to call myself a Christian. But, I do follow Christ. There IS a difference.
Why would this be a surprise since most evangelical churches rarely teach the Bible? Within the worship service, it is all about feelings and entertainment, not about adhering to the revealed word of God and acting against our human nature, i.e., overcoming human lust of the eyes and the pride of life. These promiscuous "Christian" teens are no better than Eve and her forbidden fruit. Actually, given their purported faith, they are worse. Of course, the blood of Jesus can cleanse their sins if they choose to become true Christians. That said, I would not want any of them as the wives and husbands of my children.
Yeah the whole blame Eve thing. I'm sure it is sooo good for the self-worth of girls to teach them from a young age that it was woman who is to blame for all the sins in the world, a woman who came from where? A MAN's rib. How preposterous. It is the FIRST step in defeating women and keeping them down under men. God is male – God made MAN first in HIS image – Woman was but an afterthought and made from a mere rib – Woman was tricked by Satan and is the reason for sin. EVERYONE who lives in the REAL world knows that it is only logical that woman came first since they give birth to men. Just look at who does the most killing, raping, robbing, molesting, SIN – men way more than women. You think teaching girls a bunch of ape stupid lies that put them down is gonna keep them from make self-destructive choices? Think again. Pummeling people with unnecessary and undeserved shame NEVER works. Burn your bible and grow a brain.
wickham why dont you teach all of us to be sinless like you? You are obviously the one true Christian and everyone who has ever sinned is not a true Christian. Teach us all to be like you.
Wow wickham...I guess you have never experienced God's forgiving grace in your life. It's a shame you seem to apply such harsh judgement when your guide to life (and mine) the Bible tells us that "all have sinned...". I know that includes me, assume you also. What secret sin does your life harbor? What actions, emotions or thoughts do you have that wouldn't stand up to your strict (Dare I say law-like) standards? This article highlights the difficulty of living a Christian life when the values and standards of the world are contrary to that faith. I'm sure, like you, I could quote all the tough verses on righteousness and dying to self/sin etc. but the whole of scripture paints a somewhat more complex picture than wholesale condemnation of those who fall short–that includes both you and I. Just my thoughts. Blessings.
“The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and left untried” – G. K. Chesterton
Very true. Most evangelical churches preach theology based on books written by other pastors who claim to have a better interpretation of the Bible. Propserity gospel is one good example, not to mention the mixing of nationalism and religion. American Christianity as a whole is a mess.
haha, "Wickham." How fitting.
“The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and left untried” – G. K. Chesterton" =
WRONG! I tried it and it ruined my life. Religion is all crap. There are plenty of people who lived accepted Christ, lived 'Christian' lives, and are know suffering in destroyed lives because of it. Not because churches have failed, not because people have misrepresented 'god', but because the religion itself is a lie. No amount of excuses can compensate for that. I got tired of making excuses for why my religion obviously made no sense.
Does this really surprise anyone? The anecdotal evidence on these boards should at least be dropping a few hints, along with the statistics on the divorce rate amongst evangelicals, that the expecations of these campaigns are unrealistic at best. " Christians" should at least be open to the possibility that these standards theya re setting are usually standards for misery: if they can't get it one way, they will look for another way.
There is no god and there is no reason not to rail your high school sweetheart asap.
Anything that helps you not believe in fairy tales can't be that bad.
Don't believe in make believe god? Enjoy life. Ideally safely, oh and try to avoid hurting others.
oh and try to avoid hurting others.
Unless you are on the cnn boards eh?
Oh yes I forgot to say.
Ridicule religious beliefs as much as possible, they'll eventually get the joke.
Jesus Christ is Lord... Philippians 2:10 So that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the father.... so please humble yourself and repent of your sins.... GTY ORG
See, there's a funny thing now.
So, Nataly, how come your all-powerful sky fairy that has everything needs people to bow down to it?
Answer: your god is fiction. Get over it. The world is leaving stupid people like you behind.
Jesus Christ is Lord... Philippians 2:10 So that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the father.... so please humble yourself and repent of your sins.... GTY ORG
Jesus never said that and it was written by a man since long dead. I assume it was of his opinion but I don't give much credit to one man's opinion on such matters
Nataly - "Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord"
This sounds much more like something that your egomaniacal "Satan" character would desire.
@ Ben – You think He NEEDS that? Foolish foolish foolish. He created you for that. He doesn' t NEED anything.
WARNING!!! WARNING!!! WARNING!!!============>
To all overse-xed h-o-mo-sapiens:
: The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill ( 8.7% failure rate) and male con-dom (17.4% failure rate) have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.- Failure rate statistics provided by the Gut-tmacher Inst-itute.
Added information before making your next move:
from the CDC-2006
"Se-xually transmitted diseases (STDs) remain a major public health challenge in the United States. While substantial progress has been made in preventing, diagnosing, and treating certain S-TDs in recent years, CDC estimates that approximately 19 million new infections occur each year, almost half of them among young people ages 15 to 24.1 In addition to the physical and psy-ch-ological consequences of S-TDs, these diseases also exact a tremendous economic toll. Direct medical costs as-sociated with STDs in the United States are estimated at up to $14.7 billion annually in 2006 dollars."
"Yes, or-al se-x is se-x, and it can boost cancer risk-
Here's a crucial message for teens (and all se-xually active "post-teeners": Or-al se-x carries many of the same risks as va-ginal se-x, including human papilloma virus, or HPV. And HPV may now be overtaking tobacco as the leading cause of or-al cancers in America in people under age 50.
"Adolescents don’t think or-al se-x is something to worry about," said Bonnie Halpern-Felsher professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco. "They view it as a way to have intimacy without having 's-ex.'"
Your figures are waaaaay off. Did you just make them up?
"Facts on Contraceptive Use
"WHO NEEDS CONTRACEPTIVES?
• 62 million U.S. women (and men?) are in their childbearing years (15–44).
• 43 million women (and men) of reproductive age, or 7 in 10, are se-xually active and do not want to become pregnant, but could become pregnant if they or their partners fail to use a con-traceptive method.
• The typical U.S. woman (man?) wants only 2 children. To achieve this goal, she (he?) must use cont-raceptives for roughly 3 decades.
WHO USES CON-TRACEPTIVES?
• Virtually all women (98%) aged 15–44 who have ever had int-ercourse have used at least one con-traceptive method.(and men?)
• Overall, 62% of the 62 million women aged 15–44 are currently using one. (and men)
• 31% of the 62 million women (and men?) do not need a method because they are infertile; are pregnant, postpartum or trying to become pregnant; have never had inte-rcourse; or are not se-xually active.
• Thus, only 7% of women aged 15–44 are at risk of unwanted pregnancy but are not using con-traceptives. (and men?)
• Among the 42 million fertile, s-exually active women who do not want to become pregnant, 89% are practicing con-traception. (and men?)
WHICH METHODS DO WOMEN (men?) USE?
• 64% of reproductive-age women who practice con-traception use reversible methods, such as oral con-traceptives or condoms. The remaining women rely on female or male sterilization.
FIRST-YEAR CON-TRACEPTIVE FAILURE RATES
Percentage of women (men?) experiencing an unintended pregnancy (a few examples)
Pill (combined) 8.7
Tubal sterilization 0.7
Male condom 17.4
Periodic abstinence 25.3
Ovulation Method 3.0
No method 85.0"
More facts about contraceptives from
"CON-TRACEPTIVE METHOD CHOICE
Cont-raceptive method use among U.S. women who practice con-traception, 2002
Method No. of users (in 000s) % of users
Pill 11,661 30.6
Male condom 6,841 18.0 "
The pill fails to protect women 8.7% during the first year of use (from the same reference previously shown).
i.e. 0.087 (failure rate)
x 62 million (# child bearing women)
x 0.62 ( % of these women using contraception )
x 0.306 ( % of these using the pill) =
1,020,000 unplanned pregnancies
during the first year of pill use.
For male condoms (failure rate of 17.4 and 18% use level)
1,200,000 unplanned pregnancies during the first year of male condom use.
The Gut-tmacher Inst-itute (same reference) notes also that the perfect use of the pill should result in a 0.3% failure rate
(35,000 unplanned pregnancies) and for the male condom, a 2% failure rate (138,000 unplanned pregnancies).
o Conclusion: The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the pill and male condom have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the pill or condoms properly and/or use other methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.
Wow. By your estimation I should already have 2.5 kids. Oh wait, I have 0. Darn me using my oral contraceptives correctly.
@Reality -do you work?
Your statistics only show typical use. People who properly used contraception had much lower rates. People just don't read directions:
Too Much Jersy Shore? Dtf Dtf Dtf Dtf....
That's the truth!
Continue to rely on your own wisdom and righteousness. As for me, I'll continue to trust in the Almighty and his son, Jesus the Christ.
Eventually you will know that God created the universe, and one day he will judge you; and, you will find that you're powerless, in the face of death and the grave.
If you would open your eyes (and ears), you would also realize that you are powerless over the things of this life (evil), as well.
But go ahead, keep trusting your own ability and power.
Good "LUCK" with that.
Barry, go on trusting in your fictions if you have to. But do the world a favor and read up on Pascal's Wager re your "one day" nonsense. Pascal's Wager is a common fallacy that you fell headlong into.
See here http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_wager
Yes, Colin is wise. You are merely stupid.
Barry is within his rights to accept his faith as true. Kimsland & Norbert violate respect for others but since they adhere to no external codes, it's doubtful they recognize their intrusion. Norbert doesn't seem to realize Pascal's Wager by Blaise Pascal is simply a probalistic argument for faith by a mathematician. Most traditional theologians recognize the assumptions and shortcomings of the argument. Most serious seekers of truth recognize faith cannot be proven by scientific methods since the domains overlap only weakly and many necessary preconditions for scientific verficiation are restricted to material & physical characteristics. Rather than try to convince the unconvinceable, I'll simply direct your attention to the works of C.S. Lewis and Dr. Collin's book, The Language of God, to upgrade your knowledge and widen your perspectives.
People like 'Barry' impose their dumb beliefs on everyone and usually poor helpless children.
I rather tell people the truth, common sense, and normal things that are real.
I don't need to recite paragraphs to do this either.
Steve, wow, you really are that stupid.
Of course any person has the "right" to believe in whatever nonexistent fictional deity they want, but when that belief starts affecting others, that's when it becomes less than okay. The irrational belief in the god of the bible permeates 21st century life in America, and religious beliefs ultimately cause more problems throughout the world than they solve. I used to be a devout and practicing Christian, but over the years, came to my senses, and in the past 3-5 years, have become very irreligious and would label myself as a very strong agnostic now. All human-created gods, including the one in which most Americans profess a belief, are utterly imaginary.
Why wait for God to judge me? I can get judged right now just by drinking a beer in front of a Christian.
Wake the hell up people.....like this is a real shocker. Grow up.
I always say that you're a kid for about 18 years (baby to adult) but you're an adult for about another 80 years after that.
There is plenty of time to do adult things when you're an adult.
When you're a kid do kid things that adults can't do anymore (either because they're too embarrassed or just too old)
Don't try to grow up too quickly kids, there's no turning back.
Oh and a word of advice. You can get condoms from anywhere, these vending machines are all over the place now. Use a condom, because an teenager being a parent is truly the end of childhood for you forever. Plus some of your young adult years too.
Well said kimsland. Our kids are growing up too fast as it is. Enjoy your youth while you can. Adulthood comes soon enough along with other responsibilites that don't need to be included in your younger lives.
Oh my Debra, please continue to post anytime
It seems its difficult for people here to say what I write is helpful, not sure why, as I always write with common sense in mind.
You must not live in the bible belt. I've NEVER seen a condom machine anywhere but in a bar bathroom.
NatBlue, that's because Christian se-x is so bad they can only stand having it after a few drinks :-).
In big cities there are entire stores of condoms and other related things.
Hmm, I don't.
But I thought that even schools have them now? Maybe not.
Anyway, any chemist, drug store will have one. Don't ask your teenage friends though, they may pierce them for a joke, of which it isn't.
One of the worst thing to do to a child is to have them (force upon them) to live out their parents desires. Parents do not always know what is in their child's interest if they are themselves too absorbed in their own regrets/interests.
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