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Why young Christians aren't waiting anymore
A young Christian at an purity rally spreads the word.
September 27th, 2011
08:39 AM ET

Why young Christians aren't waiting anymore

By John Blake,  CNN

(CNN) –True love doesn’t wait after all.

That’s the implication in the upcoming October issue of an evangelical magazine that claims that young, unmarried Christians are having premarital sex almost as much as their non-Christian peers.

The article in Relevant magazine, entitled “(Almost) Everyone’s Doing It,” cited several studies examining the sexual activity of single Christians. One of the biggest surprises was a December 2009 study, conducted by the National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy, which included information on sexual activity.

While the study’s primary report did not explore religion, some additional analysis focusing on sexual activity and religious identification yielded this result: 80 percent of unmarried evangelical young adults (18 to 29) said that they have had sex - slightly less than 88 percent of unmarried adults, according to the teen pregnancy prevention organization.

The article highlights what challenges abstinence movements face. Movements such as “True Love Waits,” encourage teens to wear purity rings, sign virginity pledges and pledge chastity during public ceremonies.

Yet many of these Christian youths eventually abandon their purity pledges, Relevant’s Tyler Charles concludes in the article. Tyler talked to people like “Maria,” an evangelical woman who said she wanted to wait until marriage to have sex.

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But she said she started having sex with her college boyfriend when she turned 20 because nearly everyone, even most of  her Christian friends, were having sex.

Maria:

It seemed everyone in my life, older and younger, had “done it.” In fact, I waited longer than most people I knew and longer than both of my sisters, even though we were all Christians and came from a good home.

Relevant theorizes about why it’s so hard for so many young Christians to wait, including the saturation of sex in popular culture, the prevalence of pornography and a popular “do what feels good philosophy.”

Yet the article also asks a question that rarely comes up in discussions about abstinence movement. Relevant notes that in biblical times, people married earlier. The average age for marriage has been increasing in the U.S for the last 40 years.

Today, it’s not unusual to meet a Christian who is single at 30 - or 40 or 50, for that matter. So what do you tell them? Keep waiting?

Scot McKnight, author of “The Jesus Creed,” and "One.Faith: Jesus Calls, We Follow," acknowledges that young, single Christians face temptations that their counterparts in the biblical age didn’t face.

He  tells Relevant:

Sociologically speaking, the one big difference – and it’s monstrous – between the biblical teaching and our culture is the arranged marriages of very young people. If you get married when you’re 13, you don’t have 15 years of temptation.

So what should a Christian parent or youth pastor do? How do they convince more young Christians to wait until marriage, or should they stop even trying?

- CNN Writer

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Church • Culture & Science • Culture wars

soundoff (5,770 Responses)
  1. The Pope

    80% told the truth, the other 20% lied

    September 28, 2011 at 6:55 pm |
    • Kelly

      What a narrow view. So, in other words, no one practices abstinence. You are mistaken.

      September 28, 2011 at 7:50 pm |
    • David Johnson

      I think fat, ugly girls might be abstinent...

      Being helpful!

      September 28, 2011 at 11:27 pm |
    • fred

      Why do they constantly turn you down?

      September 29, 2011 at 1:11 am |
  2. Darth Pimp

    Here's the solution to this problem:

    Hey so-called Christians, STOP DATING! Since when did the Bible ever sanction boyfriend/girlfriend relationships? And then the pastors are too busy scratching their heads, wondering why the statistics are the way they are.

    September 28, 2011 at 6:51 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Tell that to geraldine. He thinks he has all the answers, even though he hasn't yet managed to figure out how apostrophes work.

      September 28, 2011 at 7:37 pm |
    • gerald

      Tommy tom,

      You must really be bitter about me. God bless ya man! God loves you.

      September 29, 2011 at 12:53 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, look, geraldine is checking to see what I've written about him. Poor little fella.

      Hey, honey, have you figured out how to use apostrophes yet?

      By the way, I'm female and married. Troll for dates elsewhere.

      September 29, 2011 at 2:34 pm |
    • the fundy-fathers-of-fantasy-tour

      gerald exemplifies just what pronounced, oddly biblical in its peverse pervasiveness, passive-agressiveness looks like when left untreated.

      September 29, 2011 at 6:51 pm |
  3. Ashrakay

    @sharoom: if you read my posts, you'll see I mentioned memes. While memes are not required to follow genes, they often do. Christian parents statistically raise christian children. That being said, there is genetic evidence to support what is referred to as "kinship"(official terminology), or us versus them, which is the basis of any religion.

    September 28, 2011 at 6:38 pm |
  4. The Jimster

    I fear relligious argument...3...2...1...Go ATHEISTS!!!
    I'm tired of being the bigger man all the time...
    Please refrain from heavy debate...please

    September 28, 2011 at 6:32 pm |
  5. Cisco Kid

    Did Mary wait till she was married before she got knocked up by Pantera, or was she still engaged?

    September 28, 2011 at 5:51 pm |
    • LukeJon

      Mary was impregnated by some man's sperm before she had a bat mitzvah. That means she was likely about 9 or 10.

      They knew about sperm back then. Virgins getting pregnant are not miracles by any definition of the word.
      Anyone can get a virgin pregnant without breaking the hymen. Sperm can swim over four feet with ease and they are verra, verra small.....!

      God would be a child molester if he existed. Which he doesn't. The whole story is to hide the identification of the hor.ny fellow who molested Mary. You'll notice that nobody else in Roman times even gave a shlt about hearing of some "virgin" becoming "magically" pregnant. Nobody else gave a crap because everyone else knew it was all a pile of crap in the first place.

      September 28, 2011 at 6:24 pm |
    • LukeJon

      I should add that all the Levite priests drew lots to see who would have to marry Mary.
      Joseph, a very old man, complained but was game for some se.x when he won the lottery.
      Then they were married and ran off into exile.

      September 28, 2011 at 6:29 pm |
    • Cisco Kid

      Sperm can swim four feet? Wow they should make some kind of Navy Seal corps out of gigantic sperm, each the size of a wild boar, they could probably swim from Hawaii to North Korea with ease, plus they're already suited for a saline environment, and they could carry small warheads, and pummel our communist nemesis into surrender.
      "Spermatozoa Thunder Armada"

      September 28, 2011 at 6:33 pm |
  6. Chris

    waited tell i was 21 Didn't have the right girl yet and didn't want to miss out on the fun wish I hadn't waited. Could have got'n alot more tail in high school

    September 28, 2011 at 5:39 pm |
  7. Reality

    YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE !!!

    From the Guttmacher Insti-tute:

    FIRST-YEAR CON-TRACEPTIVE FAILURE RATES

    Percentage of women experiencing an unplanned pregnancy

    Method Typical

    Pill (combined) 8.7
    Tubal sterilization 0.7
    Male condom 17.4
    Vasectomy 0.2

    Periodic abstinence 25.3
    Calendar 9.0
    Ovulation Method 3.0
    Sympto-thermal 2.0
    Post-ovulation 1.0

    No method 85.0"

    (Abstinence) 0

    (Masturbation) 0

    The failure of the Pill as noted above results in one million unplanned pregnancies every year because women basically fail to take it once a day as prescribed on the box in big letters. Added se-x ed in schools would be great but the larger issue is stupidity and/or basic literacy.

    The failure of the male condom results in another one million unplanned pregnancies every year basically because many men, as per Guttmacher, fail to use them even though they have them in their pockets or billfolds. The issue then is stupidity and/or being in a drunk/drugged state before and during inte-rcourse.

    September 28, 2011 at 5:34 pm |
    • .........

      plz hit report abuse to all reality repeat posts

      September 28, 2011 at 8:35 pm |
  8. David

    The posts here are so insulting. Grow up all of you.

    September 28, 2011 at 4:40 pm |
  9. Michael

    Everything posted here is up for interpretation as is every other piece of religion or society. Argue if you will, but I highly doubt a post on a blog will change anyone's views towards what they've believed long enough to read, interpret, learn how to get on a blog, and post something.

    September 28, 2011 at 4:34 pm |
  10. Steve

    Before gay marriage was legal, gays had informal marriages (not recognized by the state) in churches. Sometimes they were called commitment ceremonies. Young people in serious, stable relationships could do the same. It would give their relationship community recognition and acceptance, while at the same time imposing community expectation of monogamy.

    September 28, 2011 at 4:33 pm |
  11. Bryan Faux

    One word... Biology. Its what we are here to do.

    September 28, 2011 at 3:37 pm |
    • Fred1

      Death is just naturs way of makeing $ex manditory

      September 28, 2011 at 4:46 pm |
  12. joseff

    Actual Christian and professing Christian are two different things. You can say you're a vegetarian but if you eat meat, you really aren't, are you? You can say you're a Christian but you can not act like it just as easily.

    September 28, 2011 at 3:17 pm |
    • BRC

      I believe the only requirement to be a Christian is to try to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ; and I think most would say that you should believe in his "divinity". Since even major world wide religions can't really agree on what those teachings say, I find it difficult to believe that any one individual can truly judge whether or not someone else is a Christian.

      September 28, 2011 at 3:35 pm |
    • Bible Clown

      Right, has anyone here made a burnt offering of a dead animal to Jehovah today? Get with the program, folks. We want that smoke rising to heaven ASAP.

      September 28, 2011 at 3:40 pm |
    • AndyB

      "No true Scotsman" fallacy.
      Rejected.

      September 28, 2011 at 4:08 pm |
    • Todd

      you are missing the point of Christianity......JESUS! We all are sinners one way or another and fall short. To me, the foundation of Christianity is taking Jesus as your savior and attemptting to walk with him thru life. Not trying to be perfect.

      September 28, 2011 at 4:18 pm |
    • Rick

      Todd: Many of us do not believe in either heaven or hell. We cannot seek one nor fear the other.

      September 28, 2011 at 4:43 pm |
    • Sam

      Yet another Christian who denies the existence of bad Christians, because of course if you're a Christian then you must be perfect and if you're not perfect then obviously you're not a Christian.

      September 28, 2011 at 4:45 pm |
    • Ray

      Sam, I don't know what Christians you've been hanging out with, but it sounds to me like you need to cut them loose. Let me explain something to you. We are all "Bad" Christians. Why? Because, Christian or not, every day, we sin. So if I can change what you said just a little, to be a TRUE Christian, you must first understand that you're not perfect, and never will be and that's why you need Jesus Christ. And if you are perfect, then you're not human! :-)

      September 29, 2011 at 3:49 pm |
  13. DAVID IN FLORIDA

    It didn't work for the Palins.

    September 28, 2011 at 3:09 pm |
    • Bible Clown

      How can you say that? Bristol Palin makes more money than a college president from explaining how abstinence works.

      September 28, 2011 at 3:39 pm |
    • really?

      making money means nothing if you don't follow your own teachings. also it is ludicrous to take advice on abstinence from someone who never walked the walk. not saying making a mistake is criminal but how do you engage your audience when your a hypocrite? if anything she is a walking talking example of how abstinence doesn't work.

      September 28, 2011 at 3:53 pm |
  14. terrix2000

    I say, as long as they are safe both physically and mentially, then go for it. I am not to judge, I just want them safe from harm.

    September 28, 2011 at 2:54 pm |
    • Blake

      100 times this. With the age of marriage steadily increasing, I can only see possible psychological problem arising out of remaining abstinent until your mid to late 20s.

      Humans are just not wired to have to deal with the idea of choosing to not fulfill the biological imperative. It was easy when kids were marrying at the age of 14, but not anymore.

      September 28, 2011 at 3:48 pm |
  15. Argle Bargle

    It's not relevant to most so-called Christians because they actually worship a non-existent god, one that is nothing but nothingness, unknowable, without body parts or passions who doesn't even bother to speak to them any more. And their Jesus is a comic book character action hero rather than the Only Begotten Son of the Living God. Their desire to judge others and keep up with the antics of their co-church members are more important than living the Word of God.

    But that's their choice, and they're free to make it.

    September 28, 2011 at 2:50 pm |
    • God's a bit weird

      Maybe we should be blaming the messenger. There was a time when God chose to speak to us. If he is Omnipotent he must know there is a disconnect and "free will" will get his sheep only so far. God brought the deluge because we were evil and sinfull. Did his plan work to leave only Noah to repoplulate? Did he think things would be different? No matter how you look at it that course of action did not bring forth the desired results for God. Free Wiil is a farce when you belive God already knows our choices and actions. Our choice was not free will he put the tree in the garden. It was entrapment. If you truly believe God knew what Eve would do then you can throw all that free will baloney out the window. We were removed from Eden through a choice God made. Another plan hatched that if he truly has our best interests in mind, failed.

      September 28, 2011 at 4:18 pm |
  16. Reality

    YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE!!!=====================> (from p. 25)

    Read carefully, as this may save your life or that of someone else.

    : The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill ( 8.7% failure rate) and male con-dom (17.4% failure rate) have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.- Failure rate statistics provided by the Gut-tmacher Inst-itute.

    Added information before making your next move:

    from the CDC-2006

    "Se-xually transmitted diseases (STDs) remain a major public health challenge in the United States. While substantial progress has been made in preventing, diagnosing, and treating certain S-TDs in recent years, CDC estimates that approximately 19 million new infections occur each year, almost half of them among young people ages 15 to 24.1 In addition to the physical and psy-ch-ological consequences of S-TDs, these diseases also exact a tremendous economic toll. Direct medical costs as-sociated with STDs in the United States are estimated at up to $14.7 billion annually in 2006 dollars."

    And from:

    http://pagingdrgupta.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/20/yes-or-al-se-x-is-se-x-and-it-can-boost-cancer-risk/?npt=NP1

    "Yes, or-al se-x is se-x, and it can boost cancer risk-

    Here's a crucial message for teens (and all se-xually active "post-teeners": Or-al se-x carries many of the same risks as va-ginal se-x, including human papilloma virus, or HPV. And HPV may now be overtaking tobacco as the leading cause of or-al cancers in America in people under age 50.

    "Adolescents don’t think or-al se-x is something to worry about," said Bonnie Halpern-Felsher professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco. "They view it as a way to have intimacy without having 's-ex.'"

    September 28, 2011 at 2:49 pm |
    • Bible Clown

      "Crazy Eyes" Bachmann knows it will make you mentally retarded to be vaccinated.

      September 28, 2011 at 3:41 pm |
    • .........

      plz hit report abuse to any reality postings

      September 28, 2011 at 8:36 pm |
  17. PopeJon

    Why so many "true Christians" demonstrate in front of abortion clinics and are willing to get arrested but not protest and get arrested at state sponsored executions or military bases?

    September 28, 2011 at 2:33 pm |
    • Guest

      1. The unborn baby did nothing wrong
      2. The person to be executed killed someone. Most Christians believe execution wrong, but also you reap what you sow. Why take another human being's life for no reason?
      3. When you are in the military you are called to duty and the individual that signed up knows what the duty is and they signed up regardless.
      So weigh the options. Fight for someone that can't fight for themself and totally innocent and was not called to duty.

      September 28, 2011 at 3:53 pm |
    • Observer

      Guest,

      No concern there for the health of the mother. "Pro-life" just refers to the fetus, not the independent living, BREATHING mother.

      September 28, 2011 at 4:07 pm |
    • PopeJon

      Guest,

      if "true Christians" are to follow the teaching of Jesus and Jesus does not justify killing of any kind for any reason, how do you justify killing of any kind without being a blatant hypocrite? How do you justify wanting to plaster thou shall not kill with no exceptions all over public buildings but you don't want to follow your own rules?

      September 28, 2011 at 4:21 pm |
    • Jeremy

      Additionally, the mother is at Planned Parenthood getting an abortion, so her sinner life is obviously worth nothing.

      September 28, 2011 at 6:35 pm |
    • Observer

      Jeremy,

      Where does the Bible SPECIFICALLY mention abortion and say abortion is a sin?

      September 28, 2011 at 7:25 pm |
  18. PopeJon

    I posted this earlier and never got an answer so I'll try again.... "Thou shall not kill". I've herd it interpreted in many self serving ways. But the version Christians want to plaster all over my local court house wall is "Thou shall not kill". No if's and or buts.... So self proclaimed true Christians, why is there not a world wide protest everyday by Christians in all countries against the 2 wars in the middle east were people of all faiths are being killed everyday? Please no saying real Christians don’t start wars or fight in them. That’s dancing around why real Christians don’t protest war openly. You’re willing to get arrested in front of an abortion clinic for all to see so why not in front of a military base or military recruiter?

    September 28, 2011 at 2:30 pm |
    • Anton LaVey

      PopeJon

      I posted this earlier and never got an answer so I'll try again....
      --------
      Perhaps no one wants to. But hey I will. Christianity in itself is a contradiction. When you understand this, you understand why most christians are hypocrites. They are least like jesus and believe enough to satisfy their guilt. They do not wish to nor want to walk in the shoes of jesus. They prefer the disposible jesus.

      September 28, 2011 at 2:38 pm |
    • Dr. Elliot

      Simply stated, the sixth of the Ten Commandments forbids the unjustified taking of a human life. However, the commandment itself has a couple of interesting elements that bear mentioning. First and foremost, different Bible translations give the appearance of different meanings, and there is potential for misunderstanding the actual meaning of the verse. Second, man was never created for the act of murdering another, and there needs to be an explanation for such a violent and final act towards another human being. Third, because of the translational challenge, we need to understand the difference between “murder” and “killing.” And last but not least, how does God view murder? To God, murder is not just physical in nature but also the condition of one’s heart towards another.

      There are two different Hebrew words (ratsakh, mut) and two Greek words (phoneuo, apokteino) for “murder” and “killing.” One means “to put to death,” and the other means “to murder.” The latter one is the one prohibited by the Ten Commandments, not the former. In fact, ratsakh has a broader definition than the English word “murder.” Ratsakh also covers deaths due to carelessness or neglect but is never used when describing killing during wartime. That is why most modern translations render the sixth commandment “You shall not murder” rather than “You shall not kill.”

      September 28, 2011 at 2:38 pm |
    • PopeJon

      Dr. Elliot,

      You danced around my question like many have before and I asked you not to.... And didn't even come close to answering my question... As I said "Thou shall not kill" is what Christians want to plaster all over public buildings. So I ask again, If you’re willing to get arrested in front of an abortion clinic for all to see so why not in front of a military base or military recruiter to protest the killing of others in the 2 wars? To add to that how is war not murder of humanity? How would Jesus justify war of any kind? Please provide passages if he does....

      September 28, 2011 at 2:58 pm |
    • Dr. Elliot

      First, it is important to note that not all killing is wrong. For instance, the apostle Paul talks about the right of the state to take the lives of evildoers (Romans 13:1-7). This relates to what is commonly referred to as capital punishment. Most countries have consequences for murder. In some cases this requires the life of the perpetrator and a suitable means of putting one to death is chosen and administered (Matthew 5:21; Exodus 21:14). Another instance of acceptable “killing” is that which is done during times of war and at the command of superiors. There were quite a few instances in Scripture where God endorsed and allowed the taking of other lives (1 Samuel 11; Judges 6–7). And finally, although far from acceptable, manslaughter is yet another form of killing someone. This unintentional act apparently happened so often in biblical times that cities of refuge were designated for the manslayer to seek refuge in (Exodus 21:13; Joshua 20).

      All that being said, I don't believe Jesus would justify a war at all. However, we aren't talking about Jesus. We are talking about imperfect people in an imperfect world. Though Christians should strive to be like Jesus, we all fail miserably, which is why His forgiveness of our sins is so important.

      September 28, 2011 at 3:10 pm |
    • PopeJon

      Dr. Elliot,

      Once again, Christians want to plaster "thou shall not kill" all over public buildings. No exceptions, just "thou shall not kill". Yet you seem to be able to dance around that with scripture from here and there... Seems hypocritical to me if you want to plaster your rules all over but you find ways to break them when it doesn't suit you. By your logic "Another instance of acceptable “killing” is that which is done during times of war and at the command of superiors" the SS was justified in killing Jews because " command of superiors" told them to during a time of war.

      Also, if "true Christians" are to follow the teaching of Jesus and Jesus does not justify killing of any kind, how do you justify the 2 wars we are fighting in? Again I ask why are you not out in the streets protesting right now?

      September 28, 2011 at 3:43 pm |
    • Guest

      Come on Pope Jon, I imagine you know why; because most governments would outlaw christianity (or judiasm) if the vast majority og christians (jews) took the amish/quaker view on government sanctioned killing in wars. So is it any wonder that the early church/jewish faith gave this exception? Organized religion is nothing if not pragmatic; indeed, few armies march on any side without the unabashed blessings of the local clergy. Oh, some might speak out, but most toe the line and justify it in the end. and rather than being ennobling, organized religion becomes just another political tool. Always has been.

      September 28, 2011 at 4:47 pm |
    • Dave

      Jon, you are missing the point. It doesn't matter if "Christians" plaster "Thou shall not kill". Dr Ellliot made a good point that the better translation from the Bible is "Thou shall not murder" and he even gave specific references from the Bible in order to differentiate just killing from murder. Under his examples and under modern ethics, wartime combat following the rules of engagement and unintended casualties do not meet the definition of "murder". So by understanding the Bible to have the translation "Thou shall not murder" and by the logic presented by myself and Dr Elliot, no it's not hyprocritcal for "Christians" to not protest in front of military basis.

      September 28, 2011 at 4:50 pm |
    • HellBent

      @Dave,

      Christians, throughout history, have "interpreted" the bible to conform to their own morality. As with slavery, state-sponsored killing is reprehensible. It IS murder. Stop clinging to ancient texts – you know, the same ones that advocate stoning disobedient children, and actually try thinking for yourself.

      September 28, 2011 at 4:53 pm |
    • Observer

      No one believes every word of the Bible. They just pick and choose whatever agrees with their own feelings and ignor the rest. That's why so many h0mophobic Christians choose verses about abominations when talking about gays rather than the more important Golden Rule.

      September 28, 2011 at 5:07 pm |
    • PopeJon

      Dave,

      if "true Christians" are to follow the teaching of Jesus and Jesus does not justify killing of any kind for any reason, how do you justify killing of any kind without being a blatant hypocrite? And which rules are you to follow? Modern ethics or the Bible? you cant go back and forth to justify what you like and don't like, can you?

      September 28, 2011 at 5:07 pm |
    • Dave

      HellBent, I agree that folks (not just Christians, mind you, but everyone) interpets the Bible, the Law, ethics, whatever, to suit their own morality. That being said, I don't take the Bible literally for the most part, though I do believe in Christ. Now, judging by the tone of your response, I'm going to guess you're an atheist, which is fine and dandy. I don't push my beliefs on anyone else and I don't attempt to preach to other people, I would ask other people (including atheists) not try to push their beliefs on me.

      Jon, we try to follow the teachings of Christ, but we're not perfect. I for one, "live in sin" with my fiancee, and I have no problem with the concept of killing someone who would do harm to me or my own. That being said, I have my own moral code which doesn't necessarily conform to what Jesus might have preached. I might be a Christian, but I don't profess to be a perfect one.

      To both of you, I would pose this question. Is it better to take a purely pacifist approach? Sometimes military force is necessary to prevent greater tragedies. Historic example, U.S involvement in WWII. Modern example, Operation Noble Protector with Libya. If a man is held up at gun point right in front of you and you do nothing to save his life because you're a "pacifist", you're just as guilty of murder as the perpetrator. 'm not saying we're always on the right side of justice, but sometimes we are.

      Now how about an even better question for both of you. Instead of pointing out the flaws and inconsistencies of other beliefs like some screwball politician, how about you two actually go about touting your own religion based on it's own strengths, rather than having to try and drag other beliefs through the mud.

      September 28, 2011 at 5:53 pm |
    • PopeJon

      Dave, at least you live in the real world.... 99% of the "Christians posting here are not... They would be more then happy to judge you and tell you you're going to helll. They have no problem telling what you can and cant do. Some even go as far as to try and make it law and some have succeeded in doing so. They also seem to think Christianity is perfect and has no blood on its hands even though real history tells a different story. I think that's why so many people really hate Christians and go out of their way to point out the hypocrisy that exists. If Christians actually practiced and lived by the golden rule every day, people would be knocking down the doors to join. Yet they willingly choose to judge everyone but themselves. In all fairness, this could be applied to just about all religions. But Christians seem to be really good at it for the last 2000 years or so..... I would never want to take away your freedom of religion yet most posting here would be very happy if this country became a Christian state ruled by biblical law.

      September 28, 2011 at 6:12 pm |
    • Sheila

      Many Christians and non-Christians are against the war. You think standing around with signs are going to stop the agenda's of governments and the elite ? It hasn't before, and it won't now. America has to all work together and be in agreement together about these matters. However, there is a very divided opinion about the war, much based on the propaganda that some believe.

      If we would have gone into those countries and taught God's love, provided clean water, medical care, food and farming methods, and taught them how to sustain themselves, then we would have been respected and admired and a model for the world. God teaches us to take care of someone's basic living needs first. Then we can open up to them about God's love and this is what he wants for everyone. For everyone to be happy, provided for, loved and cared for.

      September 29, 2011 at 12:05 am |
  19. Nathan Davis

    Your not much of a "youth pastor" if you regard the Bible as a Sacred History Book... I don't believe your even a Christian which makes this article self-explanatory... if the youth pastor isn't even TRULY saved by the grace of God, then how can the youth!? They don't have the Holy Spirit convicting them because they are being led away by "wolves in sheep's clothing"!

    September 28, 2011 at 2:29 pm |
    • Anton LaVey

      Nathan Davis

      They don't have the Holy Spirit convicting them because they are being led away by "wolves in sheep's clothing"!
      -----

      Get help
      .
      Schizophrenia is a complex mental disorder that makes it difficult to:
      • Tell the difference between real and unreal experiences
      Symptoms
      Schizophrenia symptoms usually develop slowly over months or years. Sometimes you may have many symptoms, and at other times you may only have a few.
      As the illness continues, problems with thinking, emotions and behavior develop, including:
      • Strongly held beliefs that are not based in reality (delusions)
      • Hearing or seeing things that are not there (hallucinations)

      September 28, 2011 at 2:32 pm |
    • PopeJon

      You guys cant even get along or stop judging each other... Isn't that the job of your god and you are supposed be humble?

      September 28, 2011 at 2:35 pm |
    • Anton LaVey

      PopeJon

      You guys cant even get along or stop judging each other... Isn't that the job of your god and you are supposed be humble?

      ---–
      Pope, give it a rest. Holding a mirror up to a christian does no good. They will never see themselves, rather they see everybody else.

      September 28, 2011 at 2:41 pm |
    • Bible Clown

      It's either true or false, right? You are willing to literally say Obama is the antichrist because he hasn't gotten gas back down to a dollar, but the fact that your god is utterly unable to perform a miracle of any kind doesn't even worry you? "Oh God, please stop this hurricane from AAAAAAAAHHHHHH" and then his body was never found, that's not a problem? What good is a god who just makes you feel all resolute inside while your children die?

      September 28, 2011 at 3:34 pm |
  20. Derek

    actually, sxual repression can be more damanging than the sxual extrovert. Religion is for people who cannot think for themselves. After all, Man mad god in His image.

    September 28, 2011 at 2:20 pm |
    • Joe

      "After all, Man mad(e) god in His image"

      Prove it.

      September 28, 2011 at 2:42 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      There is no objective factual evidence that any gods ever existed therefore it is highly unlikley that man was created by any god and it is highly probable that man created gods. "God created man" is a much more extraordinary claim than "man created god" (especially given that we have lots of examples of man conjuring up gods, and no evidence for the existence of any gods) therefore the onus is on the god-believers to prove the existence of their Sky Daddy. Please proceed.

      September 28, 2011 at 2:51 pm |
    • Rick

      Joe: We can no more prove that man made god in his image than you can vice versa. It does appear to be the case, though, as different cultures have different views of god.

      September 28, 2011 at 2:59 pm |
    • Joe

      "There is no objective factual evidence..."

      There is plenty of factual evidence. It's just interpreted in different ways. Those that share different world views take the facts and say 'everything evolved.' Others take the same facts and say 'everything was created.' I liken it to the glass half full/half empty scenario. The fact is there is water in the glass. How you describe it is up for interpretation.

      September 28, 2011 at 3:16 pm |
    • Observer

      Joe,
      "There is no objective factual evidence..."

      You supplied nothing at all to refute that statement.

      September 28, 2011 at 3:21 pm |
    • Free

      Christians have ruled out 99.99% of all gods (basically, everyone else's gods) as being myth, human creations of superior beings, made in our image much of the time. It would appear then that it really is up to believers to make the case for their god being the one exception to the rule.

      September 28, 2011 at 3:23 pm |
    • Bible Clown

      ""After all, Man mad(e) god in His image" Prove it." OK, God looks just like me only a lot handsomer. How's that?

      September 28, 2011 at 3:36 pm |
    • Joe

      "You supplied nothing at all to refute that statement."

      Observer – You've been posting on these boards long enough to know all the evidence I can supply. Just like I know all the evidence you can supply. The bottom line is, neither side can be ruled out, and if you were honest with yourself, you would agree. That being said, how can you fault someone for staying strong in their convictions? I don't have a problem with you standing up for what you believe in.

      September 28, 2011 at 3:51 pm |
    • Observer

      Joe,

      Yes, neither side can be ruled out. That's why I am an agnostic. They BOTH could be wrong. There might be a God, but one who is much more like the Jesus of the Bible than the often vain, arrogant, mass-killing God of the Bible.

      September 28, 2011 at 4:27 pm |
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