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Why young Christians aren't waiting anymore
A young Christian at an purity rally spreads the word.
September 27th, 2011
08:39 AM ET

Why young Christians aren't waiting anymore

By John Blake,  CNN

(CNN) –True love doesn’t wait after all.

That’s the implication in the upcoming October issue of an evangelical magazine that claims that young, unmarried Christians are having premarital sex almost as much as their non-Christian peers.

The article in Relevant magazine, entitled “(Almost) Everyone’s Doing It,” cited several studies examining the sexual activity of single Christians. One of the biggest surprises was a December 2009 study, conducted by the National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy, which included information on sexual activity.

While the study’s primary report did not explore religion, some additional analysis focusing on sexual activity and religious identification yielded this result: 80 percent of unmarried evangelical young adults (18 to 29) said that they have had sex - slightly less than 88 percent of unmarried adults, according to the teen pregnancy prevention organization.

The article highlights what challenges abstinence movements face. Movements such as “True Love Waits,” encourage teens to wear purity rings, sign virginity pledges and pledge chastity during public ceremonies.

Yet many of these Christian youths eventually abandon their purity pledges, Relevant’s Tyler Charles concludes in the article. Tyler talked to people like “Maria,” an evangelical woman who said she wanted to wait until marriage to have sex.

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But she said she started having sex with her college boyfriend when she turned 20 because nearly everyone, even most of  her Christian friends, were having sex.

Maria:

It seemed everyone in my life, older and younger, had “done it.” In fact, I waited longer than most people I knew and longer than both of my sisters, even though we were all Christians and came from a good home.

Relevant theorizes about why it’s so hard for so many young Christians to wait, including the saturation of sex in popular culture, the prevalence of pornography and a popular “do what feels good philosophy.”

Yet the article also asks a question that rarely comes up in discussions about abstinence movement. Relevant notes that in biblical times, people married earlier. The average age for marriage has been increasing in the U.S for the last 40 years.

Today, it’s not unusual to meet a Christian who is single at 30 - or 40 or 50, for that matter. So what do you tell them? Keep waiting?

Scot McKnight, author of “The Jesus Creed,” and "One.Faith: Jesus Calls, We Follow," acknowledges that young, single Christians face temptations that their counterparts in the biblical age didn’t face.

He  tells Relevant:

Sociologically speaking, the one big difference – and it’s monstrous – between the biblical teaching and our culture is the arranged marriages of very young people. If you get married when you’re 13, you don’t have 15 years of temptation.

So what should a Christian parent or youth pastor do? How do they convince more young Christians to wait until marriage, or should they stop even trying?

- CNN Writer

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Church • Culture & Science • Culture wars

soundoff (5,770 Responses)
  1. Samsword

    @sahaji Perhaps people can't tolerate one another for very long, but they can ENJOY one another for eternity. My parents are still happily married, as am I. It's all about perspective. It requires one to think about someone other than oneself. (Not easy I know, but it's worth it.) Marriage isn't broken, our perspectives as a society are. A society without commitment and full of selfishness is only going to bring trouble on itself. I believe there is wisdom in waiting for your special someone.

    On another note, I don't think you don't need to have s-ex with someone, to see if you're "compatible." That's the silliest thing I've ever heard. The traditional method of communication works just fine... I promise. If people could tear themselves away from technology for a significant amount of time, people could learn how to actually communicate with real people again. THAT's the real skill you need to discover if someone is "right for you."

    November 15, 2011 at 12:20 am |
    • serious

      Best comment I've seen here. If you respect yourself and someone special in the future, it worth waiting. This is going to be a gift for the special one because you will able to show him/her that he/her is more important than anybody else, even your own body. It really sounds beautiful and amazing.

      November 15, 2011 at 7:00 am |
    • Rick

      "It really sounds beautiful and amazing"

      It sounds psychotic

      November 15, 2011 at 8:05 am |
  2. Nicole

    As a Christian teenager, I am going to wait until marriage. I personally think this is horrible! People won't wait just because their friends don't wait, or just because it feels right?! That isn't right! Is that really the person you want to be?! You want to do what you want just for pleasure? I don't think this is right! Society is teaching us this, but I really wish it wasn't! Everywhere I turn there is something else to look at or read that I don't want to look at, read, or be any part of! I am going to wait until marriage! And if I am the only one on the planet, so be it! My family and youth pastor have taught me to do that, even if that makes me different; Especially if that makes me different!! Parents and youth pastors should continue to teach abstinence, because even if they just reach one of the entire group, that is just one less person giving themselves away before they get married.

    November 14, 2011 at 5:42 pm |
    • serious

      Good for you! I'm so proud of you and I really admire your courage. Definitely your future husband is more important than those lousy people around you. Being different from those people makes you special and you do have your precious value! Don't listen to what other negative comments because they want you to fall. They will be glad and happy to see you fall, so all you need to do is to stay strong in your faith. No matter what they say, just keep in mind that God knows your heart and He will continue guiding you on your path. I hope and pray you will find your special man. He is going to be so blessed to marry you. Knowing that there are still people willing to wait until marriage is really encouraging.

      November 14, 2011 at 6:27 pm |
    • rick

      if you don't think those actions, you are free not to take part

      November 14, 2011 at 6:47 pm |
    • rick

      think = like

      November 14, 2011 at 6:48 pm |
    • rick

      "Being different from those people makes you special and you do have your precious value!"

      Value is so much more than an intact hy-man, serious

      November 14, 2011 at 6:50 pm |
    • serious

      @ Rick

      I do not take part in those actions anyways. I was just encouraging someone so strong. See? All you can think about is just material. To me, it's more than that (of course). It's physical and emotional bond with someone you choose to spend the rest life with... not whoever won't even matter to me in the future.

      November 14, 2011 at 7:15 pm |
    • rick

      serious: too bad, it can be a great experience

      November 14, 2011 at 8:59 pm |
    • serious

      Being a pr0st*t-te doesn't interest me at all. Being a FREE one sounds even worse.

      November 14, 2011 at 10:09 pm |
    • Kay

      Blah blah blah, Nicole. You do what you feel is right for you, and leave the rest of us to make decisions on our own. If you think others are wrong for following their own hearts or conciences on this, then you're already screwed up and in need of help.

      November 15, 2011 at 2:23 am |
    • Rick

      serious: who is talking about being a pr0st*t-te? get a grip.

      November 15, 2011 at 7:49 am |
    • Rick

      serioius: if you feel that virginity has value, are you not exchanging it for something of value (i.e. marriage)? would that not make you a pr0st*t-te also?

      November 15, 2011 at 7:53 am |
    • serious

      @Rick

      People who sleep with others outside of the marriages are no difference from pr0st*tute except they are free, they are even cheaper. I already stated v*irginity and hy-man are not the issue. I'm talking about higher level...the value of self-respect and self-control, the value of unselfishness. Do NOT just consider your pleasure but your emotion and your bond with your future spouse. S@x without commitment is just selfish.

      Hope you will find a wife just like you... slept with many dirty men (if you don't think other men are nasty). This will be a good contribution to the world because you and your spouse are equal, so other better ones will have less chances to be hurt by you both.

      I'm done with talking to the dummies here and I'm not going to reply any of your comments. Thank you!

      November 15, 2011 at 10:16 am |
    • Rick

      Dummies? Perhaps you would be able to satisfy your natural urges by taking a fresh pineapple and a 5 gallon container of KY jelly and coming in the name of the lord

      November 15, 2011 at 10:40 am |
  3. sahaji

    Most of the issues are because the religion or faith as it is practiced did not really offer people any real solutions or a reason to follow the teachings. The concept of marriage is broken, people cannot tolerate another for too long and one thing leads to another. But the question arises how can we as a society bring back those values that were for our good and will give a reason to not fall for temptations so easily and not let the life be all about oneself but something where you enjoy it yourself along with others and think of all as part of one. One way is through inner growth of your true self, in the light of spirit you will remain strong and happy and joyous. If interested see free information on http://www.freemeditation.com

    November 14, 2011 at 5:02 pm |
    • serious

      Simply saying, people lose all their morals and virtues in this society! But it's not a simple problem.

      November 14, 2011 at 6:30 pm |
    • rick

      seroius: people don't luse all morals and values. they are just moving away from YOUR morals and values

      November 14, 2011 at 7:00 pm |
    • serious

      Oh really? People care so much about MY morals and values that they even bother spending time to post an article here telling the whole world the people are turning away from MY moral? I didn't know I was so special.

      November 14, 2011 at 7:17 pm |
    • Rick

      serous: don't be coy. we are not talking about your values specifically. we are talking about the view of morality to which you appear to ascribe. not all who do not wait until marriage devalue themselves or their future mates.

      November 15, 2011 at 8:27 am |
  4. eyesopened

    When you think about it for a moment this design of creation stems from accountability. We are clueless to this whole knowing what to do with our lives as we know it, let alone taking care of eachother completely, we are great at screwing things up and blaming, and then quitting. So not good at responsiblity. That being said destruction is destruction so when we take it apon ourself to liberate our bodies and do with them what we please including taking God design that was ment for the creation of family, well we reap what we sow. If you wanta play God you better make sure what your doing because God has a real enemy and if your NOT God you will be destroyed. Being God and being Gods beloved are 2 different things

    November 14, 2011 at 4:40 pm |
    • serious

      It's absolutely encouraging to read the last a few comments. This world is lack of people like y'all. Most people are living in the dark while they don't even realize. They look for all kind of excuses to justify themselves without knowing tomorrow they are going to suffer.

      November 14, 2011 at 6:33 pm |
    • rick

      while others apparently see pleasure as sinful. they self-flaggelate themselves to feel all pious

      November 14, 2011 at 7:03 pm |
    • serious

      This pleasure is not based on healthy. You may spread disease. You may hurt somebody in the future.

      November 14, 2011 at 7:28 pm |
    • serious

      *health

      November 14, 2011 at 7:28 pm |
    • Rick

      "This pleasure is not based on health. You may spread disease. You may hurt somebody in the future."

      I have no disease, and I am long term monogomous.

      November 15, 2011 at 10:13 am |
    • Atheist

      @Rick

      I definitely don't believe in any god or gods. But on this issue, I don't think it's hard to understand that even after using bathroom, you would wash your hands because everyone uses it, so after "using" the same person by so many people, doesn't that sound pretty disgusting? (Unless you never wash your hands after using toilets)

      November 15, 2011 at 1:45 pm |
    • nonbeliever

      @Atheist

      That's the problem with the way the church views s.ex and leads their followers to view s.ex. That it is this dirty, nasty, disgusting, germ filled, thing...UNLESS you are married! Then all of a sudden it becomes wonderful and beautiful. Give me a break. Having s.ex before you are married is not perverse, it is human nature. We are se.x.ual beings. Your 'god' created you that way, but for some reason he desires you to repress it the majority of your se.x.ual peak. I've been having, educated and protected s.ex with my girlfriends and now my wife since I was 16. I have never once felt bad about doing this nor have I contracted any diseases in the process. The problem is not not waiting, the problem is not educating yourself and being responsible about it.

      November 27, 2011 at 10:12 am |
  5. Nate

    The last question we were left with, "How do they convince more young Christians to wait until marriage, or should they stop even trying?" was the wrong question.

    Oftentimes we are tempted to focus on "godly actions," which are not bad in and of themselves, but the fact is that they are not the point. The point of Christianity is relationship. We can live our lives in such a way as to be healthy, but if our motivation is simply to not be sick we are living out of fear and we have missed the point. The point of health is so that we can live our lives as we were designed to, so that we can have maximum productivity and maximum satisfaction with the time that we have.

    Brainstorming ways to persuade our children to not be sick by working hard to adopt healthy habits, I think, is coming from the wrong perspective. Human health (metaphorically) has been designed in such a way that all health and life comes from the one who created it, and that any and all kinds of sickness and death are a result of humans deciding to rebel and operate independently of their creator, healer, and life-giver.

    So, while we reject God and operate independently of him, whether it is us or our children, we inevitably are sick perpetually. No matter what our choices, there is nothing in us that is not sick to one degree or another apart from God. Therefore our question should not be how can we persuade our children to make healthy choices apart from God but, "How can we introduce them to the creator, healer, and life-giver?" This is what we were designed for–relationship with God. This is how we were designed to perform, this is how we were designed to be satisfied, and this is why we were designed. That we would find our life in God, who is the only one who can give life and good things.

    November 14, 2011 at 4:32 pm |
    • serious

      We surely need to respect lives and our own bodies.

      November 14, 2011 at 6:34 pm |
    • Major Medical

      Since I became an atheist, I have not had a single cold or flu. So where is this "health" crap you are talking about?
      There is no need to wait to have se-x.
      In fact, there is an actual need to HAVE se.x as opposed to the religious nonsense being flung around like it was visiting time at the monkey zoo. Se.x is a healthy function for any pubescent human being. Repression is unhealthy and has major repercussions later in life.
      Get some se.x. Use your hands if you don't have a partner.
      Do it today!

      November 14, 2011 at 6:40 pm |
    • Atheist

      Major Medical sounds like retarded.

      November 14, 2011 at 7:31 pm |
  6. Sun Sneezer

    Darn, I just noticed your comment Hater. A religious person with the handle Hater, interesting. I won't spam this place up, but you should find my lengthy reply to The End below. It answers your question.

    November 14, 2011 at 1:04 pm |
  7. Scarlett

    Who said anything about marriage? I think the term should be 'nonmarital'.

    November 14, 2011 at 12:47 pm |
    • Scarlett

      Instead of 'premarital,' I mean.

      November 14, 2011 at 12:48 pm |
  8. Barby1

    Blake asks above in his article, "So what should a Christian parent or youth pastor do? How do they convince more young Christians to wait until marriage, or should they stop even trying?"

    They protect their youth, recognizing the normalcy of s–ual interest and they teach and role model good marriages if at all possible with the help of God. I think we were better off when colleges had curfews and sign-outs. A few christian colleges still do. At least they do have a positive peer pressure in Christian colleges –for those who identify as Christians and want to attend these schools and are not merely forced by parents. Working to clean up tv and be salt in the culture is still important. TV shows like Friends were damaging to young adults–also Seinfeld –for making light of moral virtue and virginity. They role-modeled people loving and leaving without commitment or emotional regrets. They have sold us something that isn't realistic –or, if it IS realistic for some posting here, people who claim to have casual relations with no regrets, why do they tend not to marry each other –why are they never satisfied???

    November 14, 2011 at 11:22 am |
  9. Barby1

    Some have commented about lack of evidence for the "myths" of Christianity and the Bible –thus disqualifying religious reasons as valid for virginity. I would ask them about the evidence for design in our bodies, the way we are male and female for procreation –and the pleasure built into the process. Does a person-less "nature" evolve this amazing design compatibility of male and female? How on earth did we evolve ou r amazing eyes and our interpretation of beauty –or not? Consider our hearts that beat tirelessly for a lifetime and our brains –a mass of noodle-like tissue that stores our memories, allows us to instantly recognize what we see and give sense to it, allows us to learn everything we can learn, and to create art and technology. Evolved by nature through survival of the fittest? That seems more mythical than not! Evolution cannot account for the complexity of our minds and bodies and the earth itself and the universe. Consider the DNA code in every cell of our bodies. SOMETHING/SOMEBODY is behind the intelligence, the design of existance. It is mind-boggling. Consider our amazing earth with its amazing atmosphere, water, and the symbiotic relationship between the oxygen from trees and the CO2 from us. Why be so sure there is no designer who revealed l himself through a first human couple and a man named Abraham and Moses and prophets and Jesus Christ, the resurrected miracle-worker –who raised the dead, healed the lepers, the blind, the lame –who walked the earth just 21 centenarians' lifetimes ago. Are we incapable of recording events from that century in a credible manner? I believe the first century writings of the Jewish followers of Christ ARE credible –and the Jewish-maintained scriptures before these. And it is Jesus who says a man should leave parents and cleave to his wife –as in the Creation story when woman was made for man. The ceremony as a goal to wait for is a target for the protection of women and the children they conceive –and a protection for the randy inclinations of males –a goal for both to wait and found families.

    November 14, 2011 at 10:09 am |
    • ChristFollower

      i really like your comment! i totally agree with you! i don't understand how people can look at our bodies, the Earth, the universe, everything(!) and not see the work of an Almighty God! and the Bible/God's rules don't get old or outdated; for example, waiting for marriage!

      November 14, 2011 at 10:43 am |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      Post by ChristFollower is a common form of the Argument from Ignorance.

      http://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/

      November 14, 2011 at 10:48 am |
    • Barby1

      Fallacy Spotter, it's not ignorant to understand the limitations of evolutionary theory –and the fallacies therein. Not all the scientists are fooled.

      November 14, 2011 at 11:04 am |
    • Rick

      ChristFollower: How do you make the logical leap from a creator to a being that judges human interaction. Perhaps the rules you speak of are not of an "Almighty God", but instead are of bronze age sheepherders

      November 14, 2011 at 12:25 pm |
    • Rick

      ChristFollower: It seems that "Almighty God's" rules do indeed change. Compare the Old Testament portrayal of god compared to the New Testament portrayal

      November 14, 2011 at 12:37 pm |
    • serious

      Aha, this is really funny. Like yes said, Rick can only ask the same question over and over again. He really doesn't have anything to argue about. He asked the same question without giving any of his reasons or evidence except saying "bronze age shsheepherders". No wonder why people stop posting here. No need to argue with anybody without logic right here. Waste of your life!

      November 14, 2011 at 12:42 pm |
    • Searcher

      Barby1,

      You might think that this is a flippant question (it is not), but... why do males have nip-ples?

      November 14, 2011 at 1:25 pm |
    • Rick

      Serious: I have been asking until I get an answer. You have been avoiding it.

      November 14, 2011 at 2:11 pm |
    • Rick

      serious: you have some gall talking about logic.

      November 14, 2011 at 2:15 pm |
    • Rick

      Serious: I don't what kind of evidence you seek. I am not making a statement that can be proven nor disproven. I am merely asking your opinion. You continue to avoid it.

      November 14, 2011 at 2:37 pm |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      Post by Barby1 regarding the Argument from Ignorance is invalid and itself contains a Red Herring fallacy. Note that evolution is not discussed in our earlier post in this thread, and our earlier post stands without it.

      http://www.fallacyfiles.org/redherrf.html

      November 14, 2011 at 7:26 pm |
    • Barby1

      Can a person get published on a previous page? Testing....

      November 15, 2011 at 9:56 am |
  10. Barby1

    I wonder what your evidence some posters have here for your knowledge about colonial women and the shotgun weddings. Of course, all through our Am. history, a man was expected to marry a girl he impregnated –unless he was already married or was considered too young, which led to adoption. I believe virginity has been prized and protected by families in brides the world over. One practical reason being pregnancy and STD's. Everyone knew about syphllis and gonorrhea Even a pagan knew a child needed a father and a woman needed to "belong" to a man if she had children –ideally. Interesting that Jesus commanded compassion and help for the fatherless and the widows –but doesn't mention single mothers who were never married. However, if you helped the fatherless, you would do it through their mothers, presumably, whether they were widows or not.

    The se-ual revolution was brought about largely by legal abortion, the birth control pill, and penicillin was thought to cure all the STD's. And then we were surprised by Herpes and AIDS. We keep curing our new STD's, but there ARE always new ones –or re-emerging ones for which our scientists are challenged –like the new skin afflictions. Promiscuity is just not in our best interests and has resulted in the epidemic of fatherless kids being raised by gov't funds.

    November 14, 2011 at 9:52 am |
    • serious

      Right on! A kid need to know who his/her parents are. We can't act like animals because we are human, we should have morals and virtues!

      November 14, 2011 at 9:56 am |
    • serious

      People sleep around and change their mates faster than the doctors doing research in the lab for the cure, therefore, STD will never be cured completely. Marriage protects bodies and families!

      November 14, 2011 at 9:58 am |
    • Rick

      Serious: Marriage does no such thing. Monogomy does so much more than marriage

      November 14, 2011 at 12:28 pm |
    • serious

      People get STD within marriage, that's because of the people who sleep around like you. If everybody waits for the special one in their life for the marriage, such thing won't happen.

      November 14, 2011 at 12:44 pm |
    • Rick

      serious: when i am with someone i am monogomous.

      November 14, 2011 at 2:13 pm |
  11. Barby1

    testing

    November 14, 2011 at 9:51 am |
  12. Barby1

    OK so what are the words that keep one from posting? I can't comment to BillsCatz –and i tried to comment on the issue of evidence for a designer –and nothing is showing up.

    November 14, 2011 at 9:49 am |
    • serious

      Barby1,

      try to symbolize any possible words that had been censored out by CNN filter.

      November 14, 2011 at 9:54 am |
    • Sid

      Barby1, if's just Satan filtering out stupid posts.

      Don't worry about it. It's time for you to flip the next batch of burgers anyway.

      November 14, 2011 at 10:51 am |
  13. Yes

    Danny

    Thank you for the awesome comment. I wasn't planning to post anything anymore, but due to your great comment, I'd like to say something.

    I honestly don't mind people saying things like what you said. I'm not a Christian and I'm not forcing my belief onto y'all ( I don't think Christians force their belief either, they just thought of something good and would like to share with y'all, but if y'all want to accept it or not is really y'all's choices).

    You are exactly correct that nobody can show the evidence of God, which can convince everybody. However, some people here are so sure of "no god" (maybe just because they can't see) and it just doesn't make sense to me. All I can feel is how limit we are, so those ignorant comments just make me mad. I know it doesn't really have anything to do with me, but sometimes some words can really irritated people really bad.

    You are definitely a very reasonable person, so if you read my earlier comments (not the scientific part), you will understand I'm one of the victim of this issue and I was deeply hurt by this, so I want to speak up my point. When people are acting really mean (not you), it hurts more. I know it's hard to explain but I'm not condemning anybody's decisions or choices because it's their own lives. To me, it just hurts from my perspectives and views.

    So maybe all the amazing facts don't show you a higher power, but to me that's where all the so called laws from. Laws don't exist there out of nothing. If there is an order, there need to be someone out there to keep it. We don't consider the universe a closed space, but apparently the entropy is increasing due to the spontaneous process. However, everything is still working under all the laws either Newtonian or Quantum system.

    I do NOT dislike atheists. Most of my friends and 95% of my family are atheists. I know lots of atheists who are extremely nice people. There are only some stubborn and proud atheists here (not all either) who really sound very mean. They can have their ideas, but I'd like to hear more logical arguments (not just mean words).

    To post-starter

    I'm glad to see people realizing how amazing the universe is. But have you ever wonder where all those laws are from? Is there a single law if nobody makes it? Why do you believe in evolution? Any evidence to prove evolution? Maybe the reason why I believe in God is similar as the reason why you believe in evolution. I NEVER stated "atheists are uneducated". I only said I'd like to talk with more educated atheists because most of them (not all) here don't sound very nice or educated. To be more specific, my dad is also a physicist and professor, but he is an extremely stubborn atheist. So is my grandfather who is a math professor and atheist.

    November 14, 2011 at 8:45 am |
  14. Ike_nn

    I wonder that one day God will be cured of His obsession with genitals and wars!!

    November 14, 2011 at 7:20 am |
  15. Ike_nn

    Because God isn´t fiscalizing what they are doing with their genitals anymore.

    November 14, 2011 at 7:17 am |
  16. Atheist

    As an atheist, I think we are too arrogant.

    November 13, 2011 at 6:32 pm |
    • Hater

      Glad you notice that...

      November 13, 2011 at 6:33 pm |
    • rick

      arrogance is displayed by atheists as well as theists

      November 13, 2011 at 6:58 pm |
    • JustDoIt

      Biologically, we're made to pro-create. Marriage was man made. So guess which urge wins...

      November 14, 2011 at 2:46 am |
    • dave

      @JustDoIt

      you sir or lady are 100% correct, there's no force or urge to get married, people can live together without marriage, there's millions of examples. People however feel the need to pro-create just like any other animal on this planet does. Also, thank you for sticking to the subject of the article, there seems to be an all out war going on about people believing in god and all that. Honestly who cares whether people believe in god and others don't. Let people believe whatever they want, neither side will ever have evidence to disprove the other, whether the concept of god was made up by some people to control the masses or whether this 'being' actually exists and is a part of and controls everything around us and gave us a guideline on how to live. It's irrelevant really, people are given the freedom to believe what they want, and at least in my opinion, nobody has the right to tell me or anybody else what they are supposed to believe just because they think or are even convinced they are right. So please people, just relax, you are wasting your time trying to convince other people about your beliefs. Sorry for sort of going into the whole argument. Anyways, JustDoIt, you're the man! or woman, whichever :)

      November 14, 2011 at 8:36 am |
  17. When ya gotta go, ...

    ... ya gotta go! Can't wait forever!

    Oh wait a minute. THis wasn't about, well, never mind!

    November 13, 2011 at 3:50 pm |
  18. @ serious

    "You have proved me why the atheism is the most pathetic. I'm sorry y'all have no rites, rituals, devotions or anything of the sorts. That's why probably atheists don't even agree with each other on everything. The difference between personal views and philosophy is that philosophy has a system of views. Since you don't even have a system, how can you convince people? How can you even be logic to fit every perspective in one "philosophy”?”

    Atheism is hardly pathetic. It’s essentially the same as if they believed in God. Some people do, some people don’t – but they both have thoughts on the issue, so what does it matter which side they choose to support? Additionally, atheists are a bunch of individualists. One of the reasons people choose not to believe in God or at least in a particular religion is because they don’t believe in absolutely everything that that religion proposes as truth. They have differing opinions on lots of issues. This characteristic makes it clear why atheists will never have a structured system, because they all have different reasons for not believing.

    November 13, 2011 at 3:47 pm |
    • serious

      To yourself, yes, it's perfect. To me, it's a pathetic religion because individuals believe everything happens by accident while ignoring the statistics (the probability of how this can happen by accident). To me, it doesn't matter what their reasons are for not believing in any higher power. It just surprises me that all those individuals are so "faithful" to this religion which is ridiculous. Maybe people can't prove God's existence, but there is at least a small chance that there is a God. I don't know anyone can prove NO GOD with reasonable evidence either except for saying "I don't see him".

      November 13, 2011 at 6:19 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Serious

      If there were any proof at all of any god, most atheists would be believers. Not necessarily worshipers, but believers. But there is no evidence and for those of us more interested in truth than mythology, there is no reason to believe in any god.

      And by the way, atheism isn't a religion. You seem to have problems with the concept. Let me explain it again, in as simple terms as possible: Atheism = not believing in god. That's all.

      November 13, 2011 at 6:39 pm |
    • Yes

      talluah13

      Sorry but I listed a bunch of reasons why things didn't happen by accident on pg 52(around that). People say things like this just make me doubt if they ever read books, especially science books. Everybody is yelling "show me the evidence". Aren't the nature the best evidence? Even if God shows you more, you wouldn't believe. No matter how much He shows, you are just too blind to see. We can only visualize our 3 dimensional world. If He shows you how amazing infinite dimensional space is, you can't visualize. I'm sorry you don't know much about science, this is definitely a big obstacle for most people to see the truth.

      November 13, 2011 at 6:55 pm |
    • rick

      serious: how do you make the leap from a creator to a being that judges human interaction?

      November 13, 2011 at 7:00 pm |
    • serious

      @tallulah13

      You haven't given any of us evidence why there is no God either. If atheism is not a religion, and it's not a philosophy either, what is it? I guess it's nothing then, or it happens just by accident like y'all's universe... meaningless!

      November 13, 2011 at 7:01 pm |
    • Yes

      @serious

      That Rick asked me the similar question in my previous post. I almost thought I posted my comments in the early page. Don't worry because he really can't connect anything logical. I don't even bother answering any of his questions. I understand what you said.

      November 13, 2011 at 7:05 pm |
    • serious

      Yes

      Honestly speaking, maybe I'm more stupid than him because I don't even know what he is talking about, where his conclusion comes from?

      November 13, 2011 at 7:09 pm |
    • serious

      Yes,

      I read your previous posts. It was just awesome. I wish I could find a better word to describe the comments. You are right those atheists think they know a lot but they don't, so of course they can't see a bigger picture. So you are a physicist and engineer?

      November 13, 2011 at 7:23 pm |
    • Yes

      serious

      Thank you, but I'm really nothing special. Yes I am physicist and engineer, but I work mostly as an engineer. I love physics, especially theoretical physics because it works beyond what we can see or feel. We can't visualize higher dimension (space). All we can imagine is a 3 dimensional space plus time. Isn't that pathetic? I realize how limit we are, but most people are just so arrogant thinking that they know everything. Come on, we can't even visualize things beyond our environment. They don't think they need a system while even physics tries to find the TOE (theory of everything) to make it perfect. While as for time, to me, it's a illusion because people still have problem about the arrow of time. If you consider it as an axis, we don't really know which direction it points to. Therefore, the premarital s@x issue bothers me. It is really pre-? Before people exist, there is no such a thing as time. We make up "time". We look for excuses for ourselves. I'm trying to be a virtuous person in this crazy cold world, but I'm longing to know things beyond it. I truly despise this world, so I don't even bother knowing too much about it. It's just sick, dark and cold. People want the evidence of God while they don't even have light in their hearts. Just like the black holes, even the light can't escape, so we can't see. They don't love light, so how can they see things? Everything God created is just black holes to them, so what evidence can really convince them? If they read more about science, they might see and feel the miracles. I have been here for a pretty long time because I'm a little bit curious about how sick people can be here. This issue bothers me a lot also. I will probably stop posting things on here. Especially I'll stop debating with those arrogant atheists. Talking with them doesn't really make sense. Actually, I'd like to have debates with some atheists with some knowledge (more science foundation). All the atheists here sounds pretty ignorant to me because they don't know anything about science. They can only say "there is no god". I guess they really have nothing to do but sitting by the computers all day to speak (not prove) their point. It's pretty dumb. Lots of evils around. Be aware! Stay strong in your faith. If you are strong enough, no one can destroy it. I may have weak moments also, but we need to continue...

      November 13, 2011 at 7:41 pm |
    • serious

      @Yes

      Wow, talking to you makes me feel completely different. Now they do sound pretty dumb to me. We are very limit, so are they. They can't even think beyond this world... they have extremely narrow visions. I guess that's why they don't see God. Well, I don't know much about physics so I don't have much to say, but... yes, they all sounds amazing to me. All the best!

      November 13, 2011 at 7:49 pm |
    • Danny

      @Yes and whoever else it concerns:

      I don't think it's one side or the other who is right, honestly we cannot prove or disprove if God exists or doesn't. We can make claims of what we've seen or experienced, but everyone differs from one to the next. All the comments you have explained about space and time are very interesting, personally the string theory excites me much, but as for the explanation you used does not prove that God exists, it simply shows that you do not like atheists. Which is fine when our brain encounters something that is different from our own belief it can react in an almost primitive-like state. We must not fight each other on if God exists or doesn't, that is obviously unable to be proven within our humanly capacity. Instead enjoy and allow others to believe what they would like and don't govern them, people are not objects. We simply all have ideas, some might be good others just dismiss them, its almost as simple as what they taught you in elementary school, "if you don't have something nice to say don't say anything at all."

      November 14, 2011 at 1:23 am |
    • post-starter

      Thank you danny. Well said.

      But to continue the debate bc I think it’s fun...

      To Yes and Serious,

      Let’s not pretend like science absolutely confirms God’s existence. Sure, looking at the beauty, complexity, etc. of nature gets you thinking, ‘wow, there’s no way this just happened by chance’. I’m totally with you, but you have to realize that nature doesn’t work by chance alone. It works stochastically, and so nature has tendencies to behave in certain ways based on its intrinsic laws. Theories like evolution produce systems that follow these tendencies, and they can explain a lot of things in nature that you otherwise might attribute to a god. With regard to all the ‘athiests are uneducated’ comments, a lot of athiests are actually more scientifically educated then most, because they realize that there are perfectly reasonable explanations for events in nature that have nothing to do with a god.

      Also,
      to ‘Yes’,

      You’re black-hole/time/physics metaphor for seeing/not-seeing god is the worst thing I’ve ever seen.

      November 14, 2011 at 2:28 am |
    • rick

      serious: i wasn't reaching a conclusion, i was asking a question. the question is do you see a creator and a god as synonymous? it seems as if some folks are saying something created us, so it follows that this being judges human interaction. on the other hand, if you accept the line of the "physicist/engineer", i am not bright enough to follow logic.

      November 14, 2011 at 3:34 am |
    • rick

      serious: yes got his or her panties in a bunch when i said in an earlier post that sleeping with someone else's future spouse was fun. i don't doubt that a creator may exist, but i feel that the whole sky-daddy's-gonnna-get-you schtick is cultural

      November 14, 2011 at 3:46 am |
    • Yes

      Danny

      Thank you for the awesome comment. I wasn't planning to post anything anymore, but due to your great comment, I'd like to say something.

      I honestly don't mind people saying things like what you said. I'm not a Christian and I'm not forcing my belief onto y'all ( I don't think Christians force their belief either, they just thought of something good and would like to share with y'all, but if y'all want to accept it or not is really y'all's choices).

      You are exactly correct that nobody can show the evidence of God, which can convince everybody. However, some people here are so sure of "no god" (maybe just because they can't see) and it just doesn't make sense to me. All I can feel is how limit we are, so those ignorant comments just make me mad. I know it doesn't really have anything to do with me, but sometimes some words can really irritated people really bad.

      You are definitely a very reasonable person, so if you read my earlier comments (not the scientific part), you will understand I'm one of the victim of this issue and I was deeply hurt by this, so I want to speak up my point. When people are acting really mean (not you), it hurts more. I know it's hard to explain but I'm not condemning anybody's decisions or choices because it's their own lives. To me, it just hurts from my perspectives and views.

      So maybe all the amazing facts don't show you a higher power, but to me that's where all the so called laws from. Laws don't exist there out of nothing. If there is an order, there need to be someone out there to keep it. We don't consider the universe a closed space, but apparently the entropy is increasing due to the spontaneous process. However, everything is still working under all the laws either Newtonian or Quantum system.

      I do NOT dislike atheists. Most of my friends and 95% of my family are atheists. I know lots of atheists who are extremely nice people. There are only some stubborn and proud atheists here (not all either) who really sound very mean. They can have their ideas, but I'd like to hear more logical arguments (not just mean words).

      To post-starter

      I'm glad to see people realizing how amazing the universe is. But have you ever wonder where all those laws are from? Is there a single law if nobody makes it? Why do you believe in evolution? Any evidence to prove evolution? Maybe the reason why I believe in God is similar as the reason why you believe in evolution. I NEVER stated "atheists are uneducated". I only said I'd like to talk with more educated atheists because most of them (not all) here don't sound very nice or educated. To be more specific, my dad is also a physicist and professor, but he is an extremely stubborn atheist. So is my grandfather who is a math professor and atheist.

      November 14, 2011 at 8:46 am |
    • post-starter

      Yes:

      Proof? Are you serious? There are literally thousands of examples that provide almost incontrovertible evidence that evolution is a real working process. If you overlook and dismiss these than there is nothing more I can say. It is literally impossible to deny it if you’ve had any reasonable amount of exposure to the theory.

      But yeah I agree with your point about where do all these laws come from. It’s unknown and probably will remain so. To clarify, I’m actually not an athiest, I believe in a god – just not the kind that actually has an intimate relationship and effect on peoples lives.

      November 14, 2011 at 2:38 pm |
  19. Boo Cod

    Ues it or Lose it.

    November 13, 2011 at 3:45 pm |
    • Hater

      Or save it, for a better use.

      November 13, 2011 at 6:30 pm |
    • Danny

      That saying is ironically funny because you have to use it in order to loose it, your virginity that is.

      November 14, 2011 at 1:54 am |
    • haha

      Amen

      November 14, 2011 at 2:30 am |
  20. BillsCatz

    The whole virginity gig is a left-over from Biblical times when people lived in small towns and villages, and based on the ego of old turds who who either bought young brides or were paid to take them by parents. It's never been about allegiance to God the Saints or any other Deity. Virginity is a purely human concept tossed in for the concern and vanity of everybody BUT the virgins themselves. The old saw about do as your told today in exchange for a promised daydream-like Nirvana after you die has seen better days - hormones trump dated morals most of the time.

    November 13, 2011 at 3:33 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Funny thing is, in colonial America, it was not at all uncommon for a woman (or girl, really) to be pregnant when she married. Fertility was all important in those days, and if you couldn't produce children, you weren't likely to find a spouse, at least if you were a woman.

      November 13, 2011 at 3:49 pm |
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