By John Blake, CNN
(CNN) –True love doesn’t wait after all.
That’s the implication in the upcoming October issue of an evangelical magazine that claims that young, unmarried Christians are having premarital sex almost as much as their non-Christian peers.
The article in Relevant magazine, entitled “(Almost) Everyone’s Doing It,” cited several studies examining the sexual activity of single Christians. One of the biggest surprises was a December 2009 study, conducted by the National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy, which included information on sexual activity.
While the study’s primary report did not explore religion, some additional analysis focusing on sexual activity and religious identification yielded this result: 80 percent of unmarried evangelical young adults (18 to 29) said that they have had sex - slightly less than 88 percent of unmarried adults, according to the teen pregnancy prevention organization.
The article highlights what challenges abstinence movements face. Movements such as “True Love Waits,” encourage teens to wear purity rings, sign virginity pledges and pledge chastity during public ceremonies.
Yet many of these Christian youths eventually abandon their purity pledges, Relevant’s Tyler Charles concludes in the article. Tyler talked to people like “Maria,” an evangelical woman who said she wanted to wait until marriage to have sex.
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But she said she started having sex with her college boyfriend when she turned 20 because nearly everyone, even most of her Christian friends, were having sex.
It seemed everyone in my life, older and younger, had “done it.” In fact, I waited longer than most people I knew and longer than both of my sisters, even though we were all Christians and came from a good home.
Relevant theorizes about why it’s so hard for so many young Christians to wait, including the saturation of sex in popular culture, the prevalence of pornography and a popular “do what feels good philosophy.”
Yet the article also asks a question that rarely comes up in discussions about abstinence movement. Relevant notes that in biblical times, people married earlier. The average age for marriage has been increasing in the U.S for the last 40 years.
Today, it’s not unusual to meet a Christian who is single at 30 - or 40 or 50, for that matter. So what do you tell them? Keep waiting?
Scot McKnight, author of “The Jesus Creed,” and "One.Faith: Jesus Calls, We Follow," acknowledges that young, single Christians face temptations that their counterparts in the biblical age didn’t face.
He tells Relevant:
Sociologically speaking, the one big difference – and it’s monstrous – between the biblical teaching and our culture is the arranged marriages of very young people. If you get married when you’re 13, you don’t have 15 years of temptation.
So what should a Christian parent or youth pastor do? How do they convince more young Christians to wait until marriage, or should they stop even trying?
God knows what's best for mankind. If He said to His believers, "... they which do (habitually practice) such things (fornication & adultery), they shall not inherit the kingdom of God." God knows that angels lost their sanctification over the beauty of women in Genesis, but it was their decision to leave their position & do what was unnatural. If we are to judge angels, we as believers best make decisions that lead us to innocence.
God also knows our biochemistry. If our dopamine levels are out of whack because of guilt & a spirit of religion, He can correct those levels so that our body doesn't have an abnormal craving for dopamine. I encourage believers reading this... start in obedience & you will end up in the spirit of what God intended you to be... a son or daughter of God by faith.
Amen. John, I just want to say "well said" before the inevitable spew of hate comes in from the atheists. You speak truth.
I do not seek heaven. I do not fear hell. George is a troll moron.
You atheists come on here, a belief blog, and spew hatred and harass believers, and I'm the troll? No, I'm just a strong believer in Christianity, and I'm outspoken about it. I believe the bible though I know you don't. Somebody has to speak up for Christ.
I got nothing against believers, pendejo. I don't like pompous pukes. You fall squarely in the latter category.
Problem with this article is that those "Christians" represented in the study aren't Christians as all. Half the nation call themselves Christian, but they've never picked up a Bible in their life.
And to respond with all the negative comments here regarding Christiany; why many people are so repulsive to the idea of God, is that they don't want to take responsibility for their sinful actions. They would go postal if someone tells them that their life style is immoral. If there is no God, there is no responsibility. Simple. But, is it really? Look at what kind of world do we live in? For the last few decades people fought to remove God or any reference of God from their lives, and now what? Are you happy with the world ruled by greed, lust, and drugs? Is this the life you want to teach your children?
This all remind me of a great verse:
"How long, foolish ones, will you love ignorance? How long will you mockers enjoy mocking and you fools hate knowledge? If you turn to my discipline, then I will pour out my spirit on you and teach you my words. Since I called out and you refused, extended my hand and no one paid attention, since you neglected my counsel and id not accept my correction, I, in turn, will laugh at your calamity. I will mock when terror strikes you, when terror strikes you like a storm and your calamity comes like a whirlwind, when trouble and stress overcome you. Then they will call me, but I won't answer; they will search for me, but won't find me. Because they hated knowledge, didn't chose to fear the Lord, were not interested in my counsel, and rejected all my correction, they will eat the fruit of their way and be glutted with their own schemes. For the waywardness of the inexperienced will kill them, and the complacency of fools will destroy them. But who ever listens to me will live securely and be free from the fear of danger."
Straighten your ways before it's not too late.
Free people do not need salvation
thank you a lots for this comment, i will only contribute that Christians are not radical, if not cnn will never write this nonesence about christian, how many time you wrote things like thing against musilims? it is just that we know who Christian is, not by mouth.. but b work that shows your action, which is your fruits
This comment embodies pretty well what, I would argue, most Christians find so irritating as well as frustrating with the further right, more extremist Christians. The writer, "Me," is very arrogant, judgemental, and condescending throughout. Yet Me has no place or standing to say who"real" Christians are. He/she is not the judge of who is a "real" Christian. Little of the second paragraph follows logically and what does is only more judgement and condescention. Again, Me is, of course, also not the judge of who's life is sinful or not. And the quote Me added at the end he/she added because it was the most ominous, brooding, authoritative quote Me could find. It's not at all supportive of any point he/she was trying to make above it, but it sounded kind of cool to Me. What's so frustrating is that this is the garbage that a lot of people think of when they hear someone call themselves a Christian. It's obvious Me feels people are sinful if they don't believe what he/she believes. But, of course, Me cannot grasp that, while the Bible is a good book, it's not the only one; that folks can be part of other religions or atheists, and still be good people; that science and faith are not incompatable. Folks like Me are also usually pretty loud, which makes it that much more annoying for other Christians. Really, though, when it comes down to it, Me doesn't actually care about others, or Christianity at all. Me would believe in whatever allowed him to look down at others because that's all that makes him feel good. That's all Me has. That's all he has because he never developed perhaps the greatest gift God gave him – his brain. Which is kind of sad. I'd bet, if you could ask him, that's what would disappoint Jesus the most.
Me, you have stated the truth that others do not want to believe. I agree with you and think that many of the nonbelievers just don't want to believe because then they would have to take responsibility for their sinful lives, and the last thing that they want to do is to give up their sin. And they despise Christians who speak the truth. I have been called a troll and much worse on these boards, all because of what I believe. But they can come on here and post their opinions in terms which many Christians find very offensive and use the most blasphemous terms and crude language. I think that it speaks volumes about the "morality" that they claim to have without the need for God.
By the way, you all do realize George is a troll, right? He's putting that crap on here just to prompt angry, emotional responses. That's what he does. For whatever reason, he gets off on it. Ignore him.
I was beginning to assume so, thanks for the heads up.
So let me get this straight ... anyone who is a conservative Christian and is vocal is a troll to you, right?
Not everyone, GeorgiePorgie, but you are.
I hate to even respond to George, as that is what the troll wants, but well, I have a few minutes to waste. George, this is a comment board. It's purpose is to foster discussion about the article. Granted, this article's topic was religious, and typically courtious discussions on religion get unproductive, uncourtious, and doomed very quickly. But still, that's the idea. And you have to remember that each commenter knows nothing of the others except by their comments. For all we know, you're a 15 year old Lithuanian girl (sorry to dis all the 15 year old Lithuanian girls out there). Anyway, back to the point. You're a troll because your comments do nothing to foster discussion and generally derail discussion by provoking off topic replies (like this one – I'm falling for it!). If you indeed are, as you imply, a conservative, fundamentalist Christian living in the United States, then your comments can only leave us to conclude that you're a bigot – and still a troll. The vast majority of your comments can be boiled down to, "What I believe is correct, those who do not believe precisely the same are wrong and going to hell." That doesn't exactly foster discussion, does it? I imagine you think there is no room for discussion on this matter; that's why you're a bigot and there is very little difference between yourself and a terrorist suicide bomber (if you're not actually a 15 year old Lithuanian girl). As you've also mentioned a few times, it seems you don't care about discussion and hope to save someone's soul on here. First, that's impossible to do from a comment board. Second, that also makes you a troll because that's not what the comment board is for. You have no authority, standing, or mandate to preach, proselytize, or evangelize on this comment board or anywhere else. Not by the Bible, whatever your religion really is, if anything, and certainly not in the name of Christianity. Also, as a side note, I cannot think of a less persuasive way of turning someone to your way of thinking than the garbage you've posted on here. Anyway, I think you're really just a regular troll – not well educated, but has some free time and likes to provoke the atheists on here (who would do well to simply ignore George). That, or you're a 15 year old Lithuanian girl trying to polish up her English.
@FrePal, If you love your children, take them to a GOOD church, that preaches one true God. Sadly, that are some churches that give Christianity a bad name.
If you love your children, teach them to think on their own.
@rick, oh, you think kids can figure out what is good for them all by themselves?
I think that people can do better figuring out right and wrong on their own more than they can cowtowing to the dictates of ancient edited translated hearsay
Well this is sad, really really sad. I thought we were to be in the world but not of the world. I thought that we stood for Christ in all times and in all places, waiting upon Him to call on us for an eternal marriage. It seems that a lot of us are now being part of both worlds instead of being true believes in Christ. Man, I wish more Christians would take a stand...
Well, you don't take stands by writting haughty, condescending comments on comment boards. What did you hope to affect with this comment? Certainly not to implore Christians to take a stand. Really, all you wanted was to sound educated and authoritative, maybe slightly poetic. Well, you've done none of those things. Let your walking be your preaching, not your posts on CNN comment boards.
Really, wait if you want to. Don't wait if you don't want to. But in my opinion, waiting is foolish. Not because of societal pressures or cultural values or anything against religious stances. It's foolish because it is simply the other extreme. Just as we look at the overly promiscuous as perverse, so is waiting merely because you have not yet gotten married or are scared. Certainly, se.x is by no means the most important part of a relationship. But waiting builds se.x up to seem far overly important. But it IS AN important part. Just like any other part of a developing, serious relationship, it should be explored. I'm not espousing promiscuity. If you're respectful of yourself, your partner, are careful, and willing to accept any potential (though unlikely) unintended results, there is no reason to wait. Like anything else, se.x is what you make it. It won't be any better or cheaper whether you wait or not, but for what you put into it. Waiting won't make the se.x or the relationship you have with your partner any more special or better than if you hadn't waited. And vice versa. For those waiting for religious reasons, I don't believe it is written anywhere that premarital se.x is actually a sin or that you'll go to hell. I'm sure lots of responses will counter that, bringing up some line from Deuteronomy or something, but I'm pretty sure it's not ever explicitly stated. Maybe I'm wrong on that, though. Still, a line dug up from Deuteronomy is hardly a compelling argument. Also, I just want to note that it's awfully silly to not be able to put the word se.x into a comment on an article about se.x.
What gets me about "religious scholars" is the concept that God's existence can be proven or disproven based on the writings of bronze age man. How arrogant they are!
I think the fact of the matter is that christians have faith in god. The whole point of faith is trusting even though you can't prove anything.
Aethists can believe whatever they want, it isn't our responsibility to bring them to faith. We just need to be accepting when they come and understanding when they don't. Life is tough
It's not our responsibility to bring atheists into faith, but it is our responsibility to preach the Word so that they are at least warned. If there is just one mind that could be changed somewhere that wasn't, we will be held accountable on judgment day for that lost soul. Moreover we have to represent the Christian perspective against all those who are spitting on the name of our Lord and Savior.
Christianity is best not practiced.
Christianity is the one true way. It is the only way to avoid hell.
George: You do know the absurdity of expecting people to fear hell if they do not believe in it, don't you?
Stop making comments you cannot prove.
You cannot "prove" evolution. Is more speculation and imagination than anything. It has never been a true science and never will be.
Bradley: Awfully sure about what is science and what will be science, aren't you?
God, heaven, and hell exist whether you believe in them or not. It exists as sure as the sun exists even when it is a dark night.
What gets me about atheists is that they think that they know better than thousands of years of scholars who have studied nothing but questions of God's existence as well as Christian doctrine. How arrogant they are!
"God, heaven, and hell exist whether you believe in them or not. It exists as sure as the sun exists even when it is a dark night. " – George
The sun is observable. Neither god, heaven nor hell are.
You are the arrogant one, Georgie.
Atheists see no reason to believe in a god. You claim it is real. The onus is on you to support your claim.
George-Good point! however, I would call their betrayal of knowledge to be ignorant rather than arrogant. There are a couple of atheists here that have some knowledge. Arguing with the rest is sheer waste of time.
Hero: As is arguing with True Believers such as George
None of my posts are going through...I can't imagine that I'm using words wrong, wonder if I've been blocked?
Jim, Christianity is mainly a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior - not all the extra and distracting things that go on in and around churches in the name of "religion". The Bible is all centered on the coming of Christ as messiah and Redeemer, from the Old Testament to the end of the book of Revelation - it's all about Jesus as Lord and Savior of all people.
Let me suggest that Christianity well understood–a personal relationship w. Christ–is life-giving if "practiced" as conversation with God, the Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit. Blessings to you, my brother. (I'm a senior.)
@Bradley – You cannot "prove" evolution.
Tell that to the vast numbers of species cataloged over hundreds of million years. There are huge volumes of scientific information supporting Evolutionary theory. Do you take any medications? Have you ever gone to the doctor? You can guarantee than pretty much any contact you have with modern medicine has DIRECT benefit as a result of Darwin's original research. Most of the modern medicines you take? Thank evolutionary theory stemming the modern understanding of genetics. That flu vacccine you got? It wouldn't exist without an understanding of viral genetics. Did you know that virii 'evolve' on very short time scales? We know evolution is real because it exists. It can be OBSERVED and TESTED. Because you don't understand something doesn't mean there is nothing to understand.
Oh. Gravity is just a 'theory' too. If you think theories are bunk... then try an experiment (if you wish to undertake the challenge of your own choosing). Pray REALLY REALLY HARD. Then jump off a building.
The problem with kids of Christians and Evangelicals is not that they don't wait, but that too many of their parents have them believing the contraception is evil, and you end up with a bunch more teenage girls pregnant because of the beliefs of the parents. It's sad.
Contraception IS evil. Just look at how the morality of this country went down the tubes after the pill became available. Once s.e.x. is divorced from procreation, then any kind of evil and heinous s.e.x. acts can be argued permissible and exactly that has happened.
George: How has the morality of the nation declined since 1972?
Please show me your facts for such audacious comments. Morality went down as soon as contraceptive was created? You can't be serious to make such outrageous comments without factual evidence to back them up, I'm sorry.
And wow, I feel sorry for your wife. Only having se.x for procreation? You still cease to amaze me how uneducated you are. Your comments aren't even in the realm of christianity. Study your religion and come back and join the debate.
cont...Or I'm guessing you are the 50 yearold man "still waiting" for his god chosen mate and haven't figured out that you aren't going to get married with such ridiculous views.
George, we need to get you a girl who knows what's she doing. Your entire world will change.
Now that's funny. (And completely accurate.)
Funny. Yeah, right. We'll see how funny you think it is when you are burning in hell. God is not to be trifled with. When you laugh at His morality, you are treading on thin ice.
You just need to look at the stats for the divorce rate. Moreover, more couples are living in sin rather than getting married, and people are marrying at a later age. Also, not long ago at all, it would have been UNHEARD of for anyone to suggest something like h.om.o.s.e.x.ual marriage. P.o.r.n.ography is rampant with the advent of the internet, and our lawmakers do nothing.
This is exactly moral decay. And this moral decay is sending people to hell, and is causing God to turn his favor from the USA.
Georgie: Man MADE god and therefore "god's morality". Your empty proxy threats are laughable, as are all your other posts.
Georgie Porgie: What exactly do you want lawmakers to do? Suspend free speech?
CNN once again confuses Evangelicals with Christians. Most of Europe and South Amercia is Christians and they don't wait. This waiting is a north america evangelical thing. Joseph and Mary were not married either despite people attempts to find some proof or explanation for it in the Bible.
Joseph and Mary never had s.ex
If that's true, where did Jesus' brothers and sisters come from?
I can't believe that their are people on here trying to justify forn.ication. Forn.ication! I suggest that you all get yourselves down to a good bible-believing church before it is too late. Among those who justify forn.ication and other s.e.x.ual sins there seems to be a common thread of morality: as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else, it is moral. This is a FALSE morality! This is allowing satan in through the back door. It will destroy our country.
God gave us the law as a blueprint of how we should live. All of us have fallen short of it in some way and deserve hellfirre, but we repent and accept redemption from our Lord Jesus Christ. We don't instead say that there is nothing wrong with what we have done. It's like a criminal bragging about his crimes and saying it's ok. "Yes, I was smoking that crack your honor, but I wasn't hurting anyone else". Do you see how silly that sounds?
Get your heart right with God. Whether you believe in God or not, you will still be subject to his judgment. Those of you who are leading people astray will be harshly judged. Our country is suffering from moral decay. Pray for God's mercy on us all.
The truth is that 80% of the people who claim to be Christians don't actually believe what's written in the Bible. Anyone who claims to Christian but "not very religious" or "religious but not practicing" or who jokes about their sinful lifestyle conflicting with their Christian beliefs; everyone who does these things is essentially saying that they want to identify as a Christian even though they don't actually believe all that baloney. I'd wager that this accounts for at least 80% of all self proclaimed Christians. They're just atheists who won't admit it to themselves.
And who can blame them. The Bible is a huge hodgepodge of nonsense. Even Biblical scholars recognize that many parts were added or edited long after the original authorship; and that it was written by dozens of authors and therefore contains widely varying and often contradictory spiritual teachings. It's becoming exceedingly clear to the average person that the hocus pocus interpretation of the Bible is nonsense.
It's not only a false religious morality, but it is a false secular morality as I pointed out with the smoking crack example. We do not make laws on your version of morality.
"It's not only a false religious morality, but it is a false secular morality as I pointed out with the smoking crack example."
You made an allegation, not a point. How is smoking crack, or taking any drug, "secularly" immoral (whatever THAT is)
" We do not make laws on your version of morality."
No, but apparently you want us to make them based on YOUR version of morality
By not being secularly moral, I meant that it is against the law.
Not just my morality, but Christian morality. Must really drive you crazy that you live in a majority Christian nation.
George, I don't know how you could argue that premarital s.ex amoral from a secular standpoint. If you think that premarital s.ex is as harmful to a person as smoking crack, then you should probably see a doctor or a relationship counselor about that, sounds like you're doing it wrong.
I was wondering if you also let others into your "backdoor"... seems to me like you have issues.
I wonder if you'd consider giving yourself onto the loving grace of Vishnu? or Ra? There are tonnes of gods out there for you... not all of them are as vengefull and mercyless as your God...
From a secular standpoint, everytime someone has premarital s.e.x, he/she is exposed to the possibility of disease. Con.doms are not 100% if they're even used. There is also the possibility of pregnancy. Again, con.doms are not 100% effective and no birth control is. There will always be some pregnancies and diseases even though precautions were taken. And precautions are not always taken. Why should society have bear theses costs for something that is fundamentally wrong?
From a religious standpoint, it is evil, decays the morals, and rots the soul.
Nice ploy, but I've seen those "whose god is the right god" tactics before so I decline the invitation to debate. You just want to derail the conversation away from morality.
George: You could not debate if your life depended on it. You are nothing but a slave christian who parrots bronze age stories and acts all high and mighty if people do not believe them
Condoms are waaaaaaayyyyyy more effective than prayer....
George: you are equating law with morality?
It doesn't bother me to live in a nation that is primarily Christian. I have many Christian friends. What bothers me is pompous windbags such as yourself.
Georgie: It must bother you that fewer and fewer people believe as you do. You are imprisoned by religious doctrine, and envy those who aren't. So, you engage in empty proxy threats. You apparently see "god" as a judgemental petty punk. I have always suspected that angry people find comfort in an angry god. Your anger comes out in every post about how morality has declined, or your pronouncements about avoiding "hell". Face it, pendejo, you are a clown
I'm not derailing from anything... YOU want to claim moral high ground because YOUR version of God is the ONE TRUE GOD... I say you're full of sh!t... If your god is the only one... he should be able to make a pretty convincing arguement about his authority... yet, BILLIONS of Hindus are free to worship false gods, 38,000 Christian sects are permitted to argue over what is the best way to kiss this god's miraculous a$$, all the while never agreeing with each other... not to mention the various Jewish, and Muslim sects that supposedly worship this same god...
For your God to declare objective morality, he needs to show up in a court house and prove himself worthy.
Not all the religions of the world can be right... but they ALL can be wrong.
I've been living with the same person for nigh on a decade.
We started fornicating as soon as we started dating.
We are dedicated to the well being of our child.
We aren't married and don't plan on it.
Would you condemn my family?
Oh I totally agree. Fornication will lead to gayness, which will lead to incest, which will lead to beastiality, which will lead to rap3, which will lead to murder, which will lead to terrorism, which will lead to nuclear war.
As a young Christian myself, I can totally recognize me in this article!
It is so true, thanks for sharing!
This part is pretty much relevant! "Sociologically speaking, the one big difference – and it’s monstrous – between the biblical teaching and our culture is the arranged marriages of very young people. If you get married when you’re 13, you don’t have 15 years of temptation."
Great article, I love your writing!
We are called to overcome temptation. And nobody says that you have to wait until you are 30 to get married. That's part of the problem – focusing too much on careers that you pay with your soul.
Old Georgie seems to know what is damaging to the soul. Must make him a god.....
It's not just me. It's the Christian tradition. If you think it is just me, then you need to educate yourself about Christianity.
@George, I appreciate your comments and I would almost laugh at the vehemence with which others on the board have attacked you. Very typical of being a Christian these days. One correction I feel compelled to point out though- It's not "Christian Tradition" as you say, but really God's law, as revealed to us through the scriptures.
One pastor I heard says "Choose to sin, choose to suffer". Sometimes suffering comes in this life, such as having to pay for bad choices with ve.nereal disease, broken relationships where neither side can remain faithful to one another, or any myriad of consequences. Sometimes it comes after physical death. Either way, I try to live – in a loving way – in willful compliance and submission to God's law.
It is easy – no doubt – for young Christians to fall into any manner of sinful behavior, be it sleeping around, drugs, or even more overtly harmless activities such as making money and success their number one priority, which is really not much more than idolatry. This article touches only on one issue – there are many ways (sadly) to sin.
jackinlondon: george's opinions are attacked due to his arrogance and his inability to put forth a logical argument
jackinlondon: how are "drugs" sinful? which ones?
Ah...the scriptures....edited translated bronze age hearsay
jackinlondon: please answer regarding the drugs. what makes "drugs" sinful?
They are more religious because of force. There are more serious social repercussions for abandoning their religion.
Ignorance of reality also has alot to do with increasing zealotry in any religion.
Additionally, religion comes from one place only, man.
What is truly sickening is when leaders are not believers themselves, and instead use Religion and its associated ignorance as a tool for social control.
Maybe another 200 years and we can grow up as a species?
Not a left or right issue...all these media outlets are paid to keep the masses distracted (collusively controlled). It's to keep everyone's minds absorbed in more consumer passivity, so we will keep chasing more stuff, and not think for ourselves.
Maybe not a right or left issue to you, but to many it is a right or wrong issue.
It is a personal choice issue, not subject to anyone else's opinion
Whose business is it anyway? What anyone does behind closed doors is nobody's business - especially if they want to use that information to slam those whose political opinions differ from theirs.
Just another reason why CNN - and the liberal left - are increasingly seen as ridiculous.
Oh man, yes, let's make this a political issue and deem that liberals are trying to hold the conservatives down by talking about their se.xual practices. Give me a break. Se.x is one of the biggest topics in every form of media, the amount of comments is why this stays on the top of the Faith page. And CNN was simply piggybacking off a study that Relevant (a christian magazine) did. Don't try and make this political and if you care that much, just go back to your fox news site.
yet you use it as a vehicle to slam the "left"
God forbid CNN reports on something other than some boring presidential candidate. I'm sure you've never read any important literature or anything, but it's important to open your mind and read about different subjects. Maybe then you can join the left.
I wonder if this is a waste of time ... but will post in the hope that someone reading this will think a little. One of the things that you hopefully learn in life, eventually, is that you have to be really careful where you put your faith. Marriage is a massive leap of faith, and many of them end in broken misery. I think if people knew themselves, and their partner, better, in all ways possible, before making that leap, divorce rates would be lower.
I think this is a trule excellent point and I agree with you. That and if people just educated themselves. Lots of people think marriage will make their relationship better if they are struggling or that it will be easy. These things are not true. Marriage is hard work and takes time to find your rhythm. I am also a proponent of cohabitation for this same reason. A lot of marriages fail in the first two years because people don't know how to live together under one roof. It is a completely different world. Anyway, good thoughts, don't be surprised if the majority disagree.
Our culture is always changing. The marriage bond is really not natural for us. You have to be very determined to make it work. I don't see marrriage being a big part of our culture 50 years from now.
Because if people really knew each other better, they wouldn't get married.
I think if you educated young men on what typically happens in divorce (they basically become responsible for supporting someone for the rest of their lives) no sane person would ever get married.
Divorce rates would plummet (because nobody would be married), and the government would have to come up with a new way of force to make someone responsible for somebody else.
Western culture has evolved to the state of "if it feels good, do it" and the desire for short term gratification, hell with the long term consequences.
If you are educated and you engage in se.x safely, then there is nothing to worry about in the long term. Your point is moot.
Exactly right, pablo.
Well put! People are endangering their health, but most importantly, their souls.
The only thing that puts your health in danger is if you do not take the time to protect yourself. Don't blame society, blame yourself. Blame the parents and the teachers and the leaders in authority who refuse to teach children how to be safe in their se.xual encounters if they choose no to wait (which a majority of them wont). That's the problem today. Christians try and scare their followers into waiting. Telling them they will feel guilty and full of shame. That their bodies will be ruined and that no good christian will want to love them and be with them afterward. That doesn't make kids wait, it destroys their self-esteem when they decide not to. And they will, and they wont be safe about it because no one took the time to explain to them how. That's when pregnancy rates go up and STD's become a problem. Don't blame the act, which is part of our human nature and which is a beautiful and wonderful thing, that can be very enjoyable. Even before marriage.
And damaging to the soul? If we do have souls, I would find actual evil acts being damaging to the soul, not something that is a part of who you are as a human being.
Nonbeliever – you are right on point!
I makes no sense to argue with you because I assume that you are as your handle says, a nonbeliever. I do have faith in the Christian majority in this nation that your morality will never become the dominant morality in this country. To most of us, s.e.x outside of marriage is sin. Pure sin that pollutes the soul. S.e.x.ual sin is the one type of sin that puts people on a bullet train to hell.
Unfortunately for the christian population, my views on this topic do seem to be the majority. Which is why the rightful path of education in safe se.x will become the dominant teaching point in time, if it is not already. I have spent the better part of my life studying your religion, through personal research and seminary. And while I, like many others, have found it to be a fallisy, your religion does teach forgiveness of sin. So luckily for your 'adult.erous' members, they will be okay in the end, because their minds will be at peace knowing they have been forgiven.
Your fear tactics will only get you so far, even inside your misunderstood knowledge of your own belief.
Show many kids do you have Adhur? 6? 7? 8? What kind of education are you going to give them?
Go out snd procreate ad nausem and create a whole new group of un-educaated, non-thinking followers?
"and create a whole new group of un-educaated, non-thinking followers?"
That sounds exactly like most of the christians on here and that I know personally in life. They truly know nothing about their religion except for what has been forced down their throat from the pulpit.
If religion is so wonderful. why does it have to shoved down children's throats? Why don't (most) parents leave it up to their children to form their own beliefs?
Forcing religion on a child.....IS child abuse.
I don't think it is a Christian thing. I know many non-Christians who have "done it" more than my Christian friends. It also depends on your cultural context, so this study can't really be generalized. A Christian doesn't only refer to someone from a Western culture, so there could be different variables to consider if this study is to be done on a broader scale.
It's a sign of moral decay.
It is not sign of moral decay. It is a sign of a change in morality
Please tell me you're joking. Following your human nature and using your biology in how it was intended to be used is a moral decay? Seriously? As if it's a brand new, novel idea, that people are having se.x before they get married? I wish people would have better arguments than 'the world is coming to an end because people are having se.x.' Just please educate yourself before you comment again.
I'm with George.
The change in morality is the result of decaying morals.
Really? I should educate myself? Because I have a different opinion from yours? Because I have a Christian opinion on a belief blog?
An opinion is one thing, beliving something that is completely false is something else altogether.
It is not decaying morals, it is changing morals. People are not as beholdin' to the edited translated writings of bronze age sheepherders.
Try an article like this about Muslims and see what kind of response u get from that community.
Here in my country I knew a priest and a nun in my town who check in in a hotel where I used to work...Hmmmm..What are they doing inside that room for 3 hours...praying rosary and reciting the apostles Creed?
Don't ever try asking them. Don't ever investigate anything before you show contempt for it. You might arrive at some sort of reasonable conclusion. And that would smear the pea that is your world view over your glasses.
I don't know what is more disgusting – the priest and the nun or those who knew about it and failed to inform the authorities.
You said, "I don't know what is more disgusting – the priest and the nun or those who knew about it and failed to inform the authorities."
In any civilized society, two consenting adults having sex isn't a matter for the authorities. Even if they lived in an uncivilized jurisdiction where their actions are against the rules, it would be far more immoral to rat on them, then whatever they do to each other.
Inform the authorities? That two unmarried adults are having relations? What business is it of yours Georgie?
Please keep commenting, your posts make me laugh. I should call the authorities for your lack of knowledge.
Why didn't they just use the tunnel underneath the rectory that runs to the convent? My grandfather swore this was the case. LOL!
They are violating their vows of celibacy. The bishop should have been informed. That would be the moral thing to do.
What business is it of mine? Well, I guess we could say the same thing about Eddie Long. Or about the child molesting priests. What business is it of mine. Or yours. It's my business because these sinners are leading congregations, and they are in a state of sin.
You do realize that child abuse and mole.station is actually against the law and that se.x is not, correct? Yes, please call the police and send me a copy of the recording...
"Yes, I have an emergency, there is a priest sleeping with a nun and they are living in sin. There must be justice!!"
"Is this a joke?"
You are my favorite on here thus far. Thank you for the laughs this Sunday morning.
george: i agree with nonbeliever. call 911 to report ADULTS having consentual relations and see how quickly you have the police over arresting you for placing a false call. Your comment about children is just a red herring to deflect the fact that you have no argument.
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