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September 30th, 2011
10:18 AM ET

Military chaplains to perform same-sex marriages

By Charley Keyes, CNN Senior National Security Producer

Washington (CNN) - Ten days after the military dumped its "don't ask, don't tell" policy on gays and lesbians, the Pentagon has issued new rules allowing military chaplains to perform same-sex marriages, but only if allowed by law and the chaplain's beliefs.

"A military chaplain may participate in or officiate any private ceremony, whether on or off a military installation, provided that the ceremony is not prohibited by applicable state and local law," a memo released Friday says.

"Further a chaplain is not required to participate in or officiate a private ceremony if doing so would be in variance with the tenets of his or her religion."

The new policy allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military went into force September 20. In May, before the end of "don't ask, don't tell," the Navy was forced into an embarrassing about-face when if first OK'd and then changed its mind on marriages on military bases.

The new military rules on marriages must be in line with the Federal Defense of Marriage Act and local laws.

The latest two-paragraph memo, from Under Secretary of Defense Clifford Stanley, carefully stops short of fully embracing the idea of same-sex marriage, saying that "a military chaplain's participation in a private ceremony does not constitute an endorsement of the ceremony by DoD" (the Department of Defense).

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Culture wars • Gay marriage • Gay rights • Military • Same-sex marriage

soundoff (1,195 Responses)
  1. USMarineGuy

    I need g-ay people to stop as-suming everyone cares about their lifestyle. We don't care so go away.

    September 30, 2011 at 2:42 pm |
    • Gekaap

      Are you then saying that you don't care if they are gay, and have no reason to oppose their being able to marry, or to oppose military chaplains from performing such ceremonies?

      September 30, 2011 at 2:43 pm |
    • Rooster Cogburn

      Amen Brother...

      September 30, 2011 at 2:43 pm |
    • LivinginVA

      Who says they care? They just want to be able to do what you do – put a picture of their loved one on their desk, refer their partner by name, wihout worrying about getting fired.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:48 pm |
    • David, CA

      Who's this "we" you assume to speak for? Got a tiny boyfriend in your pocket?

      September 30, 2011 at 2:51 pm |
    • Ari159

      For someone who doesn't care about gays, why are you reading/commenting on subjects about it?

      September 30, 2011 at 2:58 pm |
    • USMarineGuy

      LivingVA, several of my Marines are gay...trust me, they didn't hide it before DADT and they don't hide it now. Progressives want you to believe they have to hide it. Just as they would have you believe we are downsizing in Afghanistan. I was just there and the camp i left went from 1100 troops to 1800 after the RIPTOA( new units turnover). They feed you what they want you to believe. Trust me...no one cares.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:59 pm |
    • USMarineGuy

      Ari159, bc i love reading all the ignorance, insensitivity, and foolishness on these post. It was either this or Dancing with the Stars...this is more informative.

      September 30, 2011 at 3:01 pm |
  2. stu

    straight arouse

    just checking

    September 30, 2011 at 2:41 pm |
  3. Richard S Kaiser

    There goes the neighborhood,,,,,,,,,, Lucy,,,,, I'm Home,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    September 30, 2011 at 2:40 pm |
  4. Rooster Cogburn

    1. Allow all gays to marry
    2. Allow all lesbians to marry
    3. Allow any/all abortions
    4. In 3 generations all dem o crats will parish...

    September 30, 2011 at 2:40 pm |
    • Mike

      Hey Rooster. THIS IS AMERICA WHERE PEOPLE HAVE PERSONAL FREEDOMS!!! IF YOU DON'T LIKE THAT THEN MAYBE YOU BELONG IN AN MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRY CONTROLLED BY RELIGIOUS LAWS.... MORON!!!!

      September 30, 2011 at 2:43 pm |
    • Bill in Florida

      Let's see, somebody who can't spell a simple two-syllable, six-letter word such as "perish" probably dropped out of school in the third grade.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:45 pm |
    • Sean

      You do realize most gays come from stra-ight parents.

      September 30, 2011 at 4:22 pm |
  5. Observer Too

    I am absolutely amazed to think that there are so many people out there that wish others harm because of who they love. You act like they are going to flaunt in front of you or something. Most the time you can't even tell if a person is gay, lesbian or bi. Only those that have mannerisms that are obvious are noticeable. Let me remind all of the uneducated on these forums that 1 in 10 are associated with GBLT.

    Question for you. Do the majority of straight people do their acts of love in front of other people? Yeah they might kiss and hold hands but anything else? What makes you think gays and lesbians do? Why will it be any different? All this does is say if a lesbian/gay is serving his/her country and someone finds out they won't get dishonorably discharged for who they are. Should be go back in time and segregate the whites from everyone else. Or should we as Americans be smart and say hey they are trying to help America by serving in the military, by going out on the front lines and putting their lives at risk while we sit home and enjoy our freedom. Why should we take their freedom away. Just because they love someone. Isn't love hard enough to find without the rest of the U.S. saying you can't do that. I just think there is enough prejudice and hate in the world and we don't need to spread it because we are afraid of change and afraid of what we don't understand. I think its time for Americans to come out of the dark ages, have more acceptance and understanding, become more educated and stop fearing.

    Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't the bible state that we should love all Gods children. And 'Judge not, that ye be not judged" Matthew 7.

    I know everyone has the right to their opinions and I respect everyones opinion and their rights. I just think there are better things out there to focus on. Like hunger, the homeless, the education system, Vets that need help or services, the problems with the economy and what is going on in Washington, the price of fuel and alternative energy, etc.

    September 30, 2011 at 2:39 pm |
    • stan

      If you poll a Catholic Congregation and 20% say they are for abortion rights, does this mean that those 20% are anti-catholic?

      I would say no.

      In the same manner, just because you are not for the entire LBGT agenda does not mean that you are anti-gay. Of my closest 5 friends, 2 are gay males. I cherrish their friendship and believe they have all the rights provided to any american. I do not think I am attacking their way of life because I disagree with some issues with the LBGT agenda.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:45 pm |
    • Mark in Seattle

      Stan do you think it's your business to tell your other friends who they can and can't marry legally? Probably not, you sanctimonious hypocrite.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:48 pm |
    • stan

      And I don't feel compelled to name calling and issuing insults just because you may not believe in everything that I believe in.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:51 pm |
    • Observer Too

      Stan, Don't call it marriage. Give them civil unions.
      Separation of Church and State buddy.
      One MUST have a license from the city/stat/federal government to get married. The couple goes to the court house fills out the paperwork and gets a license. The only thing that makes marriage religious is the ceremony part in the church and in the eyes of the preacher.
      A judge is not normally a preacher/priest/bishop, etc., when a judge marries someone in the court house it is not for a religious service. It is for the civil union and making it official.
      Marriage does NOT belong to the church/religion. Now the ceremonies and all that do, and maybe the word even does. But the concept of what it stands for on a state level is about the rights of the spouse and shared benefits and the right to be in the hospital room if your spouse is dying.
      Let religion have the word marriage if its all in the word. Let GBLT have civil unions.
      Easy fix.
      Move onto next topic. 🙂

      September 30, 2011 at 3:01 pm |
    • Richard S Kaiser

      @ stan,,,,

      The 'bombasturedisms' of the few deem to outweight the views of the many,,,,,,, let 'em change a long held and structured socialism here upon the Lands. We give and they take and they take and they take without due measured compensations. Praises be to my body's inner God that I was not given any children and if so, I would be worried sick as to the current worldly affairs and what is in store for all children's futures.

      You who have young children should consider historically accurate teachings that befell many nations and their subsequent downfalls. A nation of sobriety is what is needed here within the lands of the U.S.A. and s-ex-u-al sobriety is needed as well as one and all being sober and clean of any druglike endorsed social conditioning we have all been subjugated to have happened upon our shores. How long must a nation's upcoming generations be leavened with their parent's sins and thusly repeat them for lacking to know any other way?

      September 30, 2011 at 3:27 pm |
  6. Rooster Cogburn

    The USA sinks lower, yet again...

    September 30, 2011 at 2:37 pm |
    • Mark in Seattle

      No, it rises up with the rest of the world to treat all people as equal rather than denying them basic equal rights based on someone's belief in a particular wizard.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:39 pm |
    • Ravi311

      How does it sink lower? Because, as a whole, the military is more tolerant than the general public?

      September 30, 2011 at 2:39 pm |
    • adam

      Statements like yours do confirm this.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:40 pm |
    • Mike

      Hey Rooster if you leave the country we will be bouyed up a notch or two.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:41 pm |
    • Richard S Kaiser

      Sink or float Rooster, I'm right behind you,,,,,,whatever,,,,,,Ooops, didn't mean it the way it came out,,,,,,Let me begin again,,,

      A grain of sand, a universe upon itself
      The waters ever does etch away its’ design
      Alive with GOD is everything placed
      His first Son can be comprehensively traced.
      For thru all cosmologies we ever will bind.
      Afforded a freedom within GOD’s mind.
      – Richard S. Kaiser

      September 30, 2011 at 2:52 pm |
  7. whatyaexpect

    Ya know what...the woman I live with and raised a family with have two thngs...well, maybe more than two but I'll keep it simple- we have a civil contract and a religious marriage. The two are not at all the same and I do not know why we had to have a certificate of marriage from the town hall in order for the church to marry us. So much for the often incorrect statement 'separation of church and state' and the tangling of two totally separate situations. The government has no place to tell me or the church we can or cannot get married and the church has no right to tell anyone they can or cannot sign a civil contract with anyone. So, let's get the language, keep the two scenraios seperate and get past this crap. There are more important things to do

    September 30, 2011 at 2:36 pm |
    • Observer Too

      I agree. It is the civil contract that counts when it comes to shared benefits, health care, inheritance, etc. So call them civil unions.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:42 pm |
    • Sean

      Those two are separated. There is no legal standing for a church to require a marriage cert. If any church is stating this, it is only their prerogative. You get benefits and tax breaks for being ‘married’ so it makes perfect sense for the government to require a cert. The church has no authority what so ever. It’s no more official than a secret hand shake at a frat house.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:49 pm |
  8. Gospel Truth

    Exodus 21:17
    And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
    It wouldn't be too long before not one child ever disrespected his/her parents again. Problem Solved!

    September 30, 2011 at 2:33 pm |
    • adam

      "Think. Don't pray". A much better quote.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:39 pm |
    • sybaris

      So you don't eat shellfish or wear blended fabrics or do you just choose biblical quotes to suite your prejudices?

      September 30, 2011 at 2:49 pm |
    • adam

      sybaris: Zing!

      September 30, 2011 at 3:00 pm |
    • Gospel Truth

      Revelation 20:15
      And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
      Revelation 14:11
      And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night...

      September 30, 2011 at 3:04 pm |
  9. USMarineGuy

    Ironic CNN filters t-it which happens to be a part of the word consti-tution. 1984 is everywhere, be afraid.

    September 30, 2011 at 2:33 pm |
    • Edwin

      Except in 1984, the government managed the censorship - er, correct speech. And they also kept tabs on you... remember to delete your cookies when ending your internet session!

      September 30, 2011 at 2:36 pm |
    • USMarineGuy

      I had a really good answer to your questions, however the Comm-unist News Network filtered it, so it's lost forever. And I thought the Government did run CNN...afterall, he who donates to the candidate that wins the election owns the candidate.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:40 pm |
  10. Diane Rivera

    A Chaplain is ordained and guided by Him by whom he serves. If the Chaplain feels to perform the ceremony by his own opinion and disregards what the Word of God, clearly states regarding this matter, than that would be by his own choice.
    When you work or serve under a commander you are always required to follow the commands and instructions that the commander has established. Chaplains, are no different and should be guided by their commander (God Almighty) in every area of service, according to the Instructions provided (The Living Word). Being guided by our opinions and personal believes should never be exalted, implemented or establish in a higher standard than God's ~

    September 30, 2011 at 2:32 pm |
    • mfhpr

      hmmmmmmm...so what is god telling you to do right now? how about five minutes ago? how about yesterday at 5:30pm? How about NOW?! You say he watches over you and tells you what to do if you serve him, right? Again, what is he really telling you to do RIGHT this SECOND? Please repeat it to me. Come on...you can make up something...

      September 30, 2011 at 2:36 pm |
    • LivinginVA

      Just because YOUR denomination doesn't allow same s3x couples to marry, doesn't mean that others don't. You denomination made its decision based on its interpretation of its translation of the Bible – others read and interpreted differently. Your suggestion that a chaplain who marries a same s3x couple is disobeying God is based on your beliefs and opinions.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:38 pm |
    • Eleanor

      A chaplain is ordained by humans. Ordination is a human process that recognizes a person has been called to ministry, affirms he has undergone the proper training, and authorizes him to take an office of ministry. "Him who he serves" calls, people ordain.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:42 pm |
    • Chris

      EXCEPT that even a Military Chaplin swears to serve his country and to follow all directives from their CO. That is why they included the provisions regarding beliefs so that the a Chaplin would be able to exercise their own discretion.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:48 pm |
  11. UrAverageJoe

    Gonna try colin's approach . . . Hmm what of my words could CNN find offensive . . . I would like to hear from any str-aight people that could choose to be attracted to and a-roused by members of the same s-ex? Let's see if CNN figures out I typed those offensive words!!

    September 30, 2011 at 2:30 pm |
    • UrAverageJoe

      Ha! Colin was correct! apparantly CNN found the word a-roused, or s-ex or s-traight offensive! lolol

      September 30, 2011 at 2:31 pm |
    • William Demuth

      ʞɔns sɹosuǝɔ ƃuıʞɔnɟ

      September 30, 2011 at 2:50 pm |
  12. JRCGainesville

    And was this a surprise to anyone? The Social Engineer-in-Chief had undoubtedly planned to use the repeal of DADT to undermine the states' rights to make up their own minds. He's going to use the current popularity of the average soldier to force gay marriage down an unwilling population's throats.

    And why shouldn't everybody want their hometown to look just like San Francisco?

    September 30, 2011 at 2:28 pm |
    • Edwin

      I guess you missed the part of the article where it said chaplains could refuse to marry if they objected, and that marriages would only be performed where legal.

      But then, why read? Facts get in the way of righteous indignation.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:34 pm |
    • bostersgirl

      America – equal rights for all, love it or leave it – hate mongers please go

      September 30, 2011 at 2:41 pm |
    • mfhpr

      Oh really??? So you're saying that "normal" marriage doesn't get rammed down people's throats??? You judg"mentals" crack me up! If people are LIKE you there's something wrong with them...grow up and realize that many of us in this world aren't following the myths that have controlled it for the mythical son of a virgin was born and died "for us"!

      September 30, 2011 at 2:41 pm |
    • mfhpr

      meant – If people AREN'T like you...

      September 30, 2011 at 2:42 pm |
    • UrAverageJoe

      Social Engineering sucks! That's why I oppose public schools – why should the government decide that children should be educated. Being uneducated never hurt JRC! I oppose social engineering like JRC – that's why I oppose the government having anything to do with marriage whatsoever. Why should the government decide what is best for society in terms of coupling. I oppose social engineering like JRC – that's why I oppose all child portection laws. Why should the government decide it's not okay for JRC to beat his kid with a rod to make sure he understands scripture!

      September 30, 2011 at 2:42 pm |
    • mfhpr

      SINCE the mythical son of a virgin was born

      September 30, 2011 at 2:43 pm |
    • Dare

      As a resident of beautiful, accepting, and financially prosperous San Francisco, I wish everyone were able to enjoy the wonders of this amazing city!

      September 30, 2011 at 2:47 pm |
    • Sean

      “planned to use the repeal of DADT to undermine the states' rights to make up their own minds”

      The states have no say over the military. The military is under federal jurisdiction genius.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:55 pm |
    • Kate

      ...and by Gainesville, I'm assuming you mean either Georgia or Florida. Either way, I'd prefer to have my hometown look like San Fran than those holes in the Earth.

      Does anyone else hear the theme song from Deliverance?

      September 30, 2011 at 3:13 pm |
  13. Jeffersonian

    We hold these truthes, to be self evident, that all men are created equal...Nothing else needs to be said.

    Signed,
    A straight, God-fearing, family raising member of the US armed forces.

    September 30, 2011 at 2:26 pm |
    • USMarineGuy

      Like, except her also had sl-aves sooooo he was sort of a hypocrite

      September 30, 2011 at 2:35 pm |
    • Sean

      Sl-aves were not considered men. So he wasn’t really a hypocrite. Same for women.

      September 30, 2011 at 3:21 pm |
  14. Charms

    Omg.

    September 30, 2011 at 2:25 pm |
  15. Jonathan Phelps

    Matthew 19:3 ¶ The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
    4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
    5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
    6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
    ***
    12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

    September 30, 2011 at 2:24 pm |
    • The ASC Doctor

      Same book says if ones children do not obey you are to kill them ... so go act on that too.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:31 pm |
    • Charms

      nice! I miss reading the Bible...have to restart!

      September 30, 2011 at 2:31 pm |
    • LivinginVA

      OK, in the first part you prove that Jesus was not a politician. He was asked about a man leaving his wife and directly answered the question asked without putting in his opinion on other matters (such as same s3x marriage).

      In the second....I'm not sure what you are trying to say there....

      September 30, 2011 at 2:34 pm |
  16. palintwit

    Slightly off topic but there are a lot of rednecks here today... a quick reminder that autographed copies of Sarah Palin's famous crosshairs poster are now on sale at Walmart gun and knife departments everywhere.

    September 30, 2011 at 2:24 pm |
    • ROKROK

      So suble; so true......whooooooosh....I think it went over their heads....

      September 30, 2011 at 2:33 pm |
    • palintwit

      " whooooooosh " is right.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:36 pm |
    • mfhpr

      Nice! Not just rednecks...freaks in general!

      September 30, 2011 at 2:45 pm |
  17. MDH

    Wow. All this hatred for the service people who have, and will continue to fight for your right to hate them. There have been gays in the military for as long as there has been a military, and they have fought valiantly for your freedoms. Assertions that military men and women are somehow going to disregard military mandate and go marching into a country in full drag is a complete disgrace to intelligence. As for gays being wussies, say it to my face. Anywhere, anytime, any place. I'd knock your teeth down your small minded throat.

    September 30, 2011 at 2:22 pm |
    • Mireya

      Well said and the end was absolutely funny. I had a smile on my face. Glad things are changing in the military for gays and lesbians. Equal rights is the way to go.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:31 pm |
    • Charms

      by fighting for your freedom I'm guessing you were referring to WW II right? Every war after that has been BS.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:34 pm |
    • Elizabeth

      I appreciate your comment and agree 100%...respect in yourself is the key and you have it 🙂

      September 30, 2011 at 2:37 pm |
    • MDH

      By fighting for your freedom, I mean exactly that. It is not the common serviceman or woman's decision what wars are entered into. Service people fight so civilians don't have to.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:38 pm |
    • Charms

      @ MDH: so just go to war even for the wrong reasons translates into freedom fighting? WMD's were never found in Iraq FYI

      September 30, 2011 at 2:41 pm |
    • Pandora10

      Well stated. People need to get a life and quit worrying about what others do when it has absolutely no affect on their petty, sad little lives.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:42 pm |
    • MDH

      @ Charms: No I am speaking for the intent of the service man and woman and why most of them got involved with the military. I am not speaking on the behalf of rogue presidents, uniformed senators or greedy congressmen and congresswomen. I am not speaking on behalf of greedy corporations or lobbyists. I am not speaking on behalf of warmongering scoundrels. Stop trying to twist my words. Thanx.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:52 pm |
    • Gekaap

      Charms,

      Regardless of whether you agree with our country's wars (I tend not to in regards to most conflicts in my lifetime) the point is that the reason we have a military is for the protection of our country, and that without a military capacity our country would be open to invasion and conquer by whomever so chose, and our freedoms as Americans would no longer be guaranteed. So, that being said, where is the justice in denying equal marriage rights to the gay men and women in our Armed Services?

      September 30, 2011 at 2:55 pm |
    • MDH

      Exactly, Gekaap! Thank you!

      September 30, 2011 at 3:00 pm |
  18. Bob

    Great now we can do this with all Americans without a trial, can work great with drug dealers and men on the run before their trial of course

    September 30, 2011 at 2:21 pm |
  19. USMarineGuy

    post my comment CNN!

    September 30, 2011 at 2:19 pm |
    • Colin

      The moderators of this blog have set up a secret forbidden word filter which unfortunately not only will delete or put your comment in the dreaded "waiting for moderation" category but also will do the same to words having fragments of these words. For example, "t-it" is in the set but the filter will also pick up words like Hitt-ite, t-itle, beati-tude, practi-tioner and const-tution. Then there are words like "an-al" thereby flagging words like an-alysis and "c-um" flagging acc-umulate or doc-ument. And there is also "r-a-pe", “a-pe” and “gra-pe”, "s-ex", and "hom-ose-xual". You would think that the moderators would have corrected this by now considering the number of times this has been commented on but they have not. To be safe, I typically add hyphens in any word that said filter might judge "of-fensive".
      • More than one web address will also activate “waiting for moderation”. Make sure the web address does not have any forbidden word or fragment.
      Sum Dude routinely updates the list of forbidden words/fragments.
      Two of the most filtered words are those containing the fragments "t-it" and "c-um". To quickly check your comments for these fragments, click on "Edit" on the Tool Bar and then "Find" on the menu. Add a fragment (without hyphens) one at a time in the "Find" slot and the offending fragment will be highlighted in your comments before you hit the Post button. Hyphenate the fragment(s) and then hit Post. And remember more than one full web address will also gain a "Waiting for Moderation".
      And said moderators still have not solved the chronological placement of comments once the number of comments gets above about 100. They recently have taken to dividing the comments in batches of 50 or so, for some strange reason. Maybe they did this to solve the chronology problem only to make comment reviews beyond the tedious.
      “Raison's Filter Fiber© (joking about the copyright)
      1. Here's my latest list – this seems like a good spot to set this down, as nobody's posting much on this thread.....
      ––
      bad letter combinations / words to avoid if you want to post that wonderful argument:
      Many, if not most are buried within other words, but I am not shooting for the perfect list, so use your imagination and add any words I have missed as a comment (no one has done this yet)
      – I found some but forgot to write them down. (shrugs).
      s-ex
      c-um.........as in doc-ument, accu-mulate, etc.
      sp-ic........as in disp-icable (look out Sylvester the cat!)
      ho-mo...whether ho-mo sapiens or ho-mose-xual, etc.
      t-it.........const-itution, att-itude, ent-ities, etc.
      an-al......ban-al
      sh-it
      fu-ck...
      who-re
      tw-at.....as in wristw-atch, (an unexpected one)
      pr-ick
      sl-ut
      c-lit
      va-g....as in extrava-gant, va-gina, va-grant
      hor-ny
      ar-se....yet "ass" is not filtered!
      nip-ple
      po-rn
      c-ock
      nig-ger
      cu-nt
      b-itch
      ra-pe
      jacka-ss...but ass is fine lol
      p-is.....as in pi-stol, lapi-s, pi-ssed, etc.
      o ficti-tious, repeti-tion, competi-tion.
      Sna-tch
      soft-ware
      Ja-panese
      Span-king
      hoo-ters
      There are more, so do not assume that this is complete.
      -–
      okay words that you might not expect to be filtered....!!!
      beaver
      penis
      ass
      crap
      damn
      anal
      anus
      sphincter
      testicles
      testes
      pubic
      boob

      September 30, 2011 at 2:26 pm |
    • Charms

      so i'm not the only one that experiences that?

      September 30, 2011 at 2:28 pm |
    • USMarineGuy

      brilliant!

      September 30, 2011 at 2:30 pm |
  20. KC

    Ya know, I went to Catholic schools for 8 years, you would think that i would turn out to be one of these religious nut jobs that post all the messages about repenting and saving your soul while you still can. What they taught us in religion class among other things is that God did not actually write the bible (imagine that) rather, it was inspired by God and written by man. It was never meant by God or anyone else to be taken literally. No person can live that way, since noboby is perfect, it is an unrealistic expectation. its only a guide to living a moral life. Jesus' main message to humans was to love one another, love God and treat each other fairly as you would like to be treated yourself. But in reality, He never said go to church every Sunday. He was a Jew whoes sabbath is on Saturday. You can thank Julius Ceasar for moving the sabbath to Sunday as well as making December 25th Jesus' birthday. Both are pagan holidays, Sunday, in reference to the worship of the sun god, for which Ceasar spend his entire life being the high preist of the sun god religion, only being baptized a christian on his death bed. And December 25th being the Winter Solstice, the point in which earth is farthest from the sun. Jesus' birthday was actually thought to be around January 6th. Another important thing to note about christianity is that it was ceasar who presided over the council of Nicea. It was he who had the final say of what books were going to be in the bible and it was he who declared christianity the official religion of the empire. Who is going to stand up to the Roman Emperor? Nobody back then, unless they wanted a slow and painful death in the great arena, or becoming food for the lions. The point is, is that christianity never originated from Jesus! He was Jewish! The bible was written 80 years after his death by people who didn't even know him! All you people quoting the bible and spewing forth all these facts about how everyone but you is going to hell need to read history. Christianity has for centuries survived on the violent assimilation of other cultures. you people who tell others where they're going if they don't share your values or beleifs are no better than the Spanish who slaughtered the Aztecs and Incas.

    September 30, 2011 at 2:15 pm |
    • sunsohot

      well said!

      September 30, 2011 at 2:18 pm |
    • In Memory Of Frank Garrett

      KC you are what every religious person should strive to be.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:21 pm |
    • Katie

      Constantine moved the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, to co-opt the Romans' Sun-worshipping ritual day. But I get what you're saying. I too am a Catholic school survivor, except my teachers weren't as tolerant as yours seemed to be.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:23 pm |
    • Colin

      Indeed Kc. One should also note that the gospels were written by his cult followers. It is as unlikely to be accurate as is a biography og David Koresh written by a Branch Davidian.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:24 pm |
    • Michael

      I have a book I wrote inspired by the sun....Does that mean the sun now has human attributes? You built a God around fairy tales.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:25 pm |
    • jreynozo

      I will not get into your other comments, but try to get at least some of your facts straight. First of all, Julius Caesar did not move the Sabbath to Sunday, the practice of believers coming together on Sunday was done after Christ's resurrection as it was on Sunday that Christ arose and was henceforth called "the Lord's Day". The early Christian church was predominantly Jewish and many still attended (while allowed) Sabbath at their local Synagogue. Secondly, Julius Casear had absolutely no influence on celebrating Christ's birth on December 25th either because he was dead approximately 40 years prior to Christ's birth.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:26 pm |
    • Charms

      jreynozo: You are a problem! Just as I read and liked KC's message, you changed my mind. Thanks for those inserts. I learned something.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:38 pm |
    • Ravi311

      @jreynozo – it's funny that you say that you're going to get KC's facts straight and then get yours all wrong. KC is correct with everything he said, except he said it was all Julius Caesar when it was actually Constantine. So before you try to school someone on your religion, learn the actual facts first.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:38 pm |
    • KC

      Yeah sorry about that typo there, i did really mean to say Constantine. I was thinking about something else when i put Ceasar. my bad. But you all know what i mean.

      September 30, 2011 at 2:50 pm |
    • Charms

      @avi311: your correction made no sense. reread it again [slower this time]

      September 30, 2011 at 2:51 pm |
    • KC

      @jreynozo- Ok i will entertain that possibility about the Lords day as it makes sense, although i have not heard that before. I'm not going to be like you and sound all arrogant and high and mighty because i may have made a mistake. As i said, i meant to say Constantine, so read between the lines. You know exactly what i meant, you just want to complain about something. you're not going to get into my other comments? why not? this is a discussion board isn't it? you got something to say then SAY IT otherwise shut the #$%^ up!

      September 30, 2011 at 3:26 pm |
    • Jeffery R

      Well said. I have read nearly 200 posts today in this topic/article, yours is by far the best. It is people like you that give me hope for mankind after reading so much hatred in these threads.

      September 30, 2011 at 3:43 pm |
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