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Archbishop wants to meet with Mugabe over Anglican persecution allegations
Archbishop Rowan Williams greets congregants gathered at the City Sports Centre in Harare on October 9.
October 10th, 2011
10:05 AM ET

Archbishop wants to meet with Mugabe over Anglican persecution allegations

From Nkepile Mabuse, CNN

(CNN) - A breakaway sect of the Anglican church allied to Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe protested Sunday against a visit by the Archbishop of Canterbury.

Nolbert Kunonga, the excommunicated former bishop of Harare, led the protest.

Archbishop Rowan Williams has accused Kunonga of using state resources to intimidate the loyal Anglican congregation, often with violence. Williams has requested a meeting with Mugabe on Monday to discuss the issue. He delivered a sermon in the capital Sunday.

Describing Zimbabwe as "troubled," Williams did not mince his words in his sermon, asking Mugabe's government to ensure there is "peace and justice" in the country.

"God has given so many gifts to this land. It has the capacity to feed its people and more," he said. "Its minerals wealth is great. But we have seen years when land is not used to feed people and lies idle."

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Filed under: Africa • Anglican • Church • Zimbabwe

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  1. Rainer Braendlein

    Mr. Rowan Williams is a heretic. He tries to rehabilitate the heresiarch Arius, who was one of the worst heretics of ecclessiastical history. Read Williams' book "Arius, Heresy and Tradition" and get shocked about Williams and Arius.

    By the way, according to the Bible, Arius and the false Prophet Muhammad come out of the same woodwork:

    Revelation 9:

    (The Arians or followers of Arius:)

    And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. 2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. 3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. 4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. 5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. 6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them. 7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. 8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions. 9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle. 10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months. 11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

    12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.

    (The Muslims:)

    13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, 14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. 15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. 16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them. 17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone. 18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths. 19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt. 20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: 21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
    © Copyright by International Bible Society

    October 12, 2011 at 7:39 am |
  2. Rainer Braendlein

    Headline: Three unholy bishops in unity (united, to degrade Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God)

    I am reading the book “Arius, Heresy and Tradition” written by Bishop Rowan Williams. Rowan Williams is the Archbishop of Canterbury.

    Subject-specifically seen, the book of Williams is excellent. You can get a lot of information about Arius, his heresy and the struggle between bishop Athanasius, the Christian Church and Arius.

    It is common knowledge that Arius wanted to degrade Jesus Christ a creature. Even if he was so clever to tell the Christians, they could consider Jesus Christ as a kind of God. Yet alone this heresy, to designate Jesus as a pure creature, is enough, to be condemned as a heretic.

    Assumed, Jesus had merely been a creature, he would have been never able to bear our sins on the cross. Only the eternal Son of God could bear the punishment for our sins. On the cross all our sinfulness has perished together with Jesus and we have resurrected with him to a new life. At the sacramental baptism the power of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ is dedicated to us (the wrong re-baptism of some Free Churches is to reject). Near-terms to baptism we receive the Holy Spirit.

    By reading Williams’ book, I realized that Arius’ heresy goes even deeper, than to degrade Jesus a creature. Arius even tries to establish a Father-God, whose character is different or independent from the Son’s character. Strictly speaking, Arius’ tries to establish a second God beside the Christian God. Arius second God is totally inaccessible, impalpable and invisible. According to Arius, the second God can behave totally different from the Son.

    Arius’ heresy can have incalculable consequences. According to Arius, it is possible that the Father-God has changed his mind today and thus today accepts other religions beside Christianity, for example the Islam. According to Arius, someone can claim to be a Christian and to be a Moslem at the same time (by the way, in the USA there is a big confusion about the faith of president Obama. Sometimes he says, he is a Christians, sometimes he claims to be a Moslem. Maybe he is a Neoarian.)

    When someone has a look at the religious landscape, it seems to be a matter of fact that a number of our religious leaders have accepted the heresy of Arius. There is a general consensus that all religions have to be acknowledged. Finally nobody knows the real opinion of the Father-God. The opinion of the Father-God can be totally different to Christianity. Maybe Christianity is solely the opinion of the Son?

    To bring to the boil, Arius even claims, the Father-God could create a second Son. That’s outrageous. This heresy can lead people to claim: “I am the Messiah!”.

    The MCA: Williams tries to rehabilitate Arius as a gifted theologian, who was just a little misunderstood by the established Church of his time. That is worse than 9/11 and Fukushima together. That is a spiritual Mega-MCA. If Arius’ heresy will spread, the Western World will perish. Bishop Williams must leave the Church. No sympathy for the devil!

    By the way, the leader of the German Evangelical Church (EKD) Nikolaus Schneider has got a similar heresy like Arius, called doctrine of adoption. According to Schneider, Jesus was just produced by se-xual intercourse of Joseph and Mary. First at his baptism by John the Baptist he was raised (adopted) to God’s Son. Schneider even rejects the Virgin Birth. Mr. Schneider is a heretic, who should leave the Church.

    Assumed, the pope would reject the heresy of Arius and the doctrine of adoption, nevertheless he belongs to the Unholy Trinity. Why? Answer: The pope has stolen Christ’s office, to be the head of the Church. He says: “Who wants to get saved, must come under his (the pope’s) rule.” The pope has displaced the Holy Spirit from the Roman Catholic Church. The Holy Spirit is the true divine teacher of the Church. Without the Holy Spirit heresies spread infinitely. The RCC has become a P I S S P O T T, full of heresies.

    Rowan Williams, Präses Schneider and the pope have something in common: They undermine the divine sonship of Jesus Christ. They are soulkillers. They keep away people from the rule of the true Jesus Christ and by this deny the people the Salvation in Christ.

    The true Jesus:

    Let Jesus speak himself (John 14: 7-11):

    7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

    8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

    9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?

    10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

    11 Believe me that I [am] in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.

    One of the most important sentences of history:

    Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?

    Today let us remember Athanasius. Athanasius fighted against the heresy of Arius. Athanasius was a spiritual knight, he was a faithful spiritual fighter.

    October 12, 2011 at 7:28 am |
  3. Central Scrutinizer

    My fellow Americans! Take up the cause. Phoock the mormons and christians and Islam, etc. Let truth guide you! We are running out of time. The country and the world is falling apart!! It is up to US!!

    Until such time as an Atheist, an Agnostic, an openly ho-mose-xual person, or any other minority can be seriously considered for political office, particularly the presidency, then I hang my head in shame as an American. Sure, Obama is half black and that is a step. But where are the Asians, Africans, Mexicans, Gays, Atheists, Agnostics and all other minorities? Scr-ew the Christians! Let some intelligent folks move the country forward for a change. The Christian Right are liars, cheats, thieves and charlatans. The Dems just lie to fit in. Americans, let’s take back our country! The time is now! Call out the politicians on their lies. Call out the banks on their thievery. Take Wall Street money away from the politicians. Smart people in Congress, that should be our mantra, Carry on with common sense or we are doo-med. It is up to us to remove them!

    October 10, 2011 at 1:01 pm |
    • Central Scrutinizer

      We deserve better. Much better. In order to run for office you have to be a Christian or lie and say you are a Christian. No one with a moral center could ever stomach politics, so sadly we just get what is left over. Rich, Bent, greedy liars. If we could have an atmosphere of tolerance then maybe, just maybe GOOD candidates would actually present themselves. I can dream, can't I?

      October 10, 2011 at 5:13 pm |
  4. J.W

    I better think of more comments for when they do a Your Take on this article.

    October 10, 2011 at 12:08 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @J.W.

      LOL !! :D

      You really 'are' funny sometimes, my friend !

      Peace...

      October 10, 2011 at 2:32 pm |
    • J.W

      Thanks Peace I hope they put your comment on how funny I am in the Your Take article.

      October 10, 2011 at 3:13 pm |
  5. Colin

    Why is it that religious leaders always want to dress up like middle aged women?

    October 10, 2011 at 10:47 am |
    • J.W

      I don't know. I believe there is actually a verse in which Jesus says his followers should not wear fancy clothes and show off.

      October 10, 2011 at 11:00 am |
    • Hypatia

      Ok...fair question. Historically, the vestments date from approximately the 4th century. Which, of course, is where all the mumbo jumbo belongs, too. Did you also know that the Romans thought wearing trousers would emasculate troops? Isn't history fascinating....

      October 10, 2011 at 1:07 pm |
    • The Brain Fumigator

      The robes are actually like a butcher's smock. Original design was apparently for when they did the regular sheep sacrifices that god asked for, back before he disappeared.

      October 10, 2011 at 3:17 pm |

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