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Pray for the President? Yes thou shalt.
A Christian group organizes prayer for public officials including the president. Image from their website www.presidentialprayerteam.com
October 14th, 2011
09:04 AM ET

Pray for the President? Yes thou shalt.

By Dave Schechter, CNN

(CNN) -
Republican presidential contender Rick Perry recently urged social conservatives to pray for President Barack Obama.

“As I campaign for president, I not only ask you for your vote and your support, I ask for your prayers. I ask you to pray for our country. I ask you to pray for our president to give him wisdom, to open his eyes,” the Texas Governor told an audience in Florida last month.

Doing just that is the stated mission of the Presidential Prayer Team.

Conceived in November 2000 in an adult Sunday school class in Scottsdale, Arizona, the PPT – or “The Prayer Team,” as it calls itself – takes its charge from the words of the Apostle Paul to his disciple Timothy: “First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men, for kings and all who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity. (1 Timothy 2:1-2)

“We believe prayer is the most important power in this entire world,” PPT president Jim Bolthouse tells CNN. The idea is simple: prayer moves God and God moves the leaders.

PPT members are charged to pray for their leaders, even if they don’t care for the individual or disagree with their policies. “We don’t necessarily agree with everything our President is doing, but that doesn’t stop us from praying for our President. That is a mandate,” Bolthouse says.

The PPT is a Christian enterprise. Prayers are offered “in Jesus’ name,” but Bolthouse notes that calls to pray for leaders can be found in the Old and New Testaments. Because of the range of beliefs within Christianity, the PPT tries to avoid denominational conflicts.

The original goal was to persuade one percent of the American population (at the time, roughly 2.8 million people) to pray for the president. The campaign was set to launch in November 2001 but the date was pushed up after the September 11 terrorist attacks. In March 2009 the PPT claimed 1.7 million members worldwide.
Today, 3.7 million people “have been served,” according to Bolthouse, a veteran of the computer industry, who played a key role in setting up the PPT’s technical operation at the beginning and became its president (a part-time position) in March 2010.

The $30,000 a month it costs to finance the PPT comes from individual donations. There is no charge to be a member; in fact, fewer than 1 percent of PPT members make a financial contribution, though there are 1,000-2,000 people who donate on average $45-55 monthly, Bolthouse says. These donors, he says, are people who “see the value in what prayer means for our country.” Finances are among the subjects discussed when the small staff gathers for its regular Monday morning prayers.

Most of the communication with members is by e-mail. A daily devotional is sent to some 38,000 members who have signed up for that service. The major weekly e-mail, covering a variety of topics, goes to about 580,000 people. E-mails include suggestions on topics worthy of prayer, “as the Lord moves you,” Bolthouse says.

Since its founding, the PPT has expanded its scope with prayers for Cabinet secretaries, congressional leaders, Supreme Court justices, the U.S. armed forces and even the first lady, Michele Obama. Suggestions are made for prayers on topics in the news, including the economy, relations between Israel and the Palestinians and the health care reform law advocated by the Obama administration.

“We’re taking a much more far-reaching stand in praying for our country, beyond just praying for our President,” Bolthouse says.

The PPT can be timely in its call for prayers. The January shootings in Tucson, Arizona, in which six people were killed and Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was one of 19 people wounded, happened just eight miles from PPT’s offices. Bolthouse says that the website began offering prayers – not only for those shot, but also for the emergency response and medical personnel involved – within 30 minutes of the incident, even before much of the news media had reported the news.

As for President Obama, Bolthouse says that it has taken effort to convince some PPT members that it is proper to pray for the current president, given their opposition to his policies, some of which he says are “in conflict with biblical principles.” Gay rights and abortion are two such issues, Bolthouse says, explaining, “These are not gray areas in the Scriptures,” he says.

PPT members are “asking God more for his divine intervention in Mr. Obama’s life than in Mr. Bush’s,” Bolthouse says, referring to President George W. Bush.

Bolthouse admits to being personally “cautious” when it comes to the President’s own assertions that he is a Christian, but Scriptures he says, counsel against passing judgment.

President Obama discussed the role of prayer in public policy debates when he spoke at the National Prayer Breakfast in February 2010.

“Surely we can agree to find common ground when possible, parting ways when necessary,” he said. “But in doing so, let us be guided by our faith, and by prayer. For while prayer can buck us up when we are down, keep us calm in a storm; while prayer can stiffen our spines to surmount an obstacle – and I assure you I’m praying a lot these days – prayer can also do something else. It can touch our hearts with humility. It can fill us with a spirit of brotherhood. It can remind us that each of are children of a awesome and loving God.”

Obama has reaffirmed his Christian faith many times, including in a January 2008 interview with Christianity Today.“I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian,” he said.I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life. But most importantly, I believe in the example that Jesus set by feeding the hungry and healing the sick and always prioritizing the least of these over the powerful.

A poll conducted in July-August 2010 for the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press offered evidence of the public confusion about the President’s religion. In the survey of more than 3,000 adult Americans, 18 percent identified the President as a Muslim, up from 11 percent in March 2009. About one-third (34 percent) said he is a Christian, down from 48 percent the year earlier. Forty-three percent said they did not know.

As for those who would like to succeed President Obama in the Oval Office, when the PPT website posted a column about the Republicans seeking the presidential nomination, the comments that followed included discussion – and warnings – about the degree to which individual candidates are worthy of being called Christian. That Republican presidential hopefuls Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman are Mormons is just one aspect of that debate.

The PPT website features a prayer wall on which participants offer prayers on a variety of subjects, sometimes on topics known to spark arguments and debate, such as same-sex marriage and the military’s recently-rescinded “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” regulations. There also is a page dedicated to “Morality in America.”

And coming in November from the PPT, one year before the 2012 elections, will be “Pray the Vote,” a project to provide to prayers for candidates at all levels, from the office of President to state legislators. The site will analyze where candidates stand on 10 “value points” identified by PPT members as being of particular interest.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Barack Obama • Belief • Christianity • Church and state • Politics • Prayer

soundoff (632 Responses)
  1. ArchieDeBunker

    Richard Kaiser

    So, you're saying that people should purposefully remain uneducated, because education does no good in finding one a job? And you believe that an ever-increasing number of people should be supported by the Federal Government (which is broke)?

    You need to study recent history a little (maybe a lot) better. If you will remember (whether or not you want to), the economy was doing pretty under President George W. Bush! I mean, look at the facts. The economy was so vibrant and healthy that we managed to survive the mess made by Bill Clinton (who "balanced" the budget by scrapping an amount of defense materiel and manpower equal to the world's third greatest army). Clinton raised taxes higher than they've ever been, and if it hadn't been for his trashing the military, his administration would have run huge deficits – in spite of the fact that the dot.com revolution was driving the economy to unprecidented heights. Then the Bush economy weathered the economic storm caused by the 9/11 attacks. Stock market went way down, and climbed right back. Then, the Bush economy weathered the tragedy of hurricane Katrina and came back from that. Meanwhile, despite the warnings of Conservatives, bull headed Democrats (ever hear of Barney Fife – I mean Frank – and Maxine Waters?) kept insisting that "Everyone should be able to own a home" – and these cry-baby, economically illiterate Democrats (another redunancy) finally got their way and it became true that banks were REQUIRED to loan at least 21% of their available funds to sub-prime borrowers. Each time one of these measures passed, Conservatives warned that we were skating on thing ice. Now, fast-forward to the end of 2006 – when the economy began to slow and the stock market headed downward. Why would the successful Bush economy suddenly run out of steam? Well, if you could go back and read the poles you would see that the Liberal, Left-Leaning Media had managed to convince a large majority of the voters that George Bush, Dick Cheney, and pretty much every other Republican Conservative leader were worse than Satan himself! And when that happened, the people who have money to invest – the big money people – saw the handwriting on the wall – they knew that, as always, the Democrats would go nuts on their tax-and-spend agenda. So, the moneyed people all began to get their money out of the markets and find ways to protect it. Of course this all resulted in the economy turning sour and people losing jobs. Then it was that all those people who had been allowed (encouraged, even) to borrow preposterous amounts for home "ownership" and credit card debt found out they couldn't pay their bills. So, instead of blaming Wall Street Bankers and other "corrupt" wealthy people (in today's definition, anyone who is wealthy is assumed to have gotten their wealth dishonestly – nothing could be further from the truth), try blaming the REAL culprits – Liberal Socialists – who pretend they are "for the little guy" and then put in place policies (such as raising the minimum wage – which helps no one but creates lots of inflation) which directly hurt "the little guy," far, far more than they ever help him. It's easy to blame "the evil rich" for all the troubles of the nation, but don't forget that they are already paying almost 90% of all the taxes. When you Liberals have namaged to destroy them and take away all their money, who will pay the bills?

    October 14, 2011 at 6:34 pm |
    • Wow

      Ok, it's scary knowing stupid people like this exist.

      October 14, 2011 at 6:40 pm |
    • HellBent

      @Wow – what's even scarier is that Archie can probably vote.

      Hey Archie, don't you think that GWB might have done a little better if he hadn't fabricated evidence to start an unnecessary war. And maybe my recent history is a little fuzzy, but I thought that the economy was well into a steep decline before Obama took office. Or did you forget that the first stimulus was passed under Bush?

      October 14, 2011 at 8:18 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      >>>""Everyone should be able to own a home" – and these cry-baby, economically illiterate Democrats (another redundancy) finally got their way and it became true that banks were REQUIRED to loan at least 21% of their available funds to sub-prime borrowers."

      Well, that and people choose adjustable rate mortgages. When I purchased my home they offered me both fixed and a ARM. Naturally the ARM was much much cheaper but I was warned not to take it and I did not. Some did take the ARM and sadly they suffered when the rates changed.

      Also the price of Gas went up and people found they could not afford to purchase a new car every three or four years. The house of cards just fell from there.

      October 15, 2011 at 1:51 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      >>>"Hey Archie, don't you think that GWB might have done a little better if he hadn't fabricated evidence to start an unnecessary war. "

      Funny, three years into Obama's term and we are still in Iraq, Afganistan, troops on the ground in Libiya, .... and now with Iran Obama is sounding EXACTLY like G.W.B. with him saying that "all options are on the table".

      If the Liberal Democrats were so much into blaming G.W.Bush for the wars.....why are they silent about Obama having us into all the same wars and adding new theaters wars.. and threatening to open others.?

      October 15, 2011 at 1:57 am |
  2. Fred Evil

    "“We believe prayer is the most important power in this entire world”
    And you are wrong.

    October 14, 2011 at 6:23 pm |
  3. Terry Brookman

    I don't worship the blood god!

    October 14, 2011 at 6:23 pm |
  4. Handofdoom

    THE ONLY WAY I KNOW TO PRAY FOR PRESIDENT , " I PRAY THAT THE GOD WILL GIVE US A PRESIDENT THAT IS WORTH HIS SALT ! NOT LIKE THE ONE WE HAVE NOW , PLEASE GOD NOT ANOTHER OBAMA !

    October 14, 2011 at 6:20 pm |
    • Ozymandias71

      So God has to do what you want? I thought it was the other way around.

      October 14, 2011 at 6:27 pm |
    • *frank*

      "THE ONLY WAY I KNOW TO PRAY FOR PRESIDENT"
      Try it with caps lock off, then you'll know two ways!

      October 14, 2011 at 6:56 pm |
    • Trystan

      According to the bible, god is supposed to give us what we ask for. Obviously my prayers weren't answered. Never have been. Thanks again, god. Deadbeat.

      October 15, 2011 at 12:23 am |
  5. Ozymandias71

    So Christianity has gone from 'going into your prayer closet' to pray for leaders, to posting them publicly on a website read by millions (apparently) while the 'elders' are raking in the dough... erm... graciously accepting donations to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars?

    Wow... the money lenders in the temple would be so pleased.

    October 14, 2011 at 6:19 pm |
    • GauisJulius

      What's sad is the local churches try to help people, while organizations like this are about the money. They make Christianity look bad. Christians already have to dispell questions about Westboro baptist.

      October 14, 2011 at 6:28 pm |
  6. martinipaul

    Is there no ground upon which reasonable Christians and reasonable atheists can agree and cooperate? I despise the Westboro church, perry's prayers, and am against the OWL. Not because I support corporations but because mobs are usually satisfied with a scapegoat and a few crumbs when complete fianancial reform is needed. Can there be no cooperation on these issues and others? Or is this like that old Star Trek episode where the two guys have black and white faces and it's an irrational fight to the death?

    October 14, 2011 at 6:17 pm |
  7. ArchieDeBunker

    Would all you "atheists" (there really is no such thing, of course) out there please get together and explain what it was that happened about 2010 years ago that so affected people that it changed the entire world? What was it about "that man" that caused people to be so changed that they were willing to be killed and tortured for His sake? What explanation do you give for the fact that Christianity (which you call a "myth") was so powerful that it profoundly affected the entire World? There were more than 500 witnesses who saw Jesus Christ after he rose from the dead. Of course, since those witnesses didn't live in your day and age, and because you have a tremendous vested interest in believing that Christianity is a "myth" (if you allowed yourself to believe it you'd have to change a whole bunch of things you cling to that make you "happy"), you feel just fine about saying "it all never happened." Just as I imagine you also don't believe the accounts of the Holocaust because the people who witnessed it are mostly no longer living. And, of course, the ones who say it happened are liars – right? Just because something happened 2000 years ago doesn't mean it isn't true – or maybe you don't believe Marco Polo traveled all over the world – after all, the people who wrote about that are dead now too, so their accounts are just baloney. The fact is that Jesus did live, he was crucified and he did rise from the dead, and he did proclaim that "No man comes to the Father save through me." And now that you've read this (and other similiar enlightenments) you no longer have the comfort of thinking that when you face God you can plead ignorance. If you want to know about real peace of mind and real happiness, get off the pitty pot of your self-importance and say a prayer. Not for Obama, but for your own soul (if you have one).

    For those of you who claim the Bible is a worthless book, you might think about the following truth. There was a very famous man, centuries ago, named Voltaire. He was highly educated and wrote many works on various subjects. Voltaire also did not believe there was a God – exactly like you "atheists." He proclaimed that by the time he had been dead 50 years, there would be no Bibles left, since the Bible was just a bunch of meaningless garbage. Volatire was very, very rich, especially for his time. He was so rich that he owned his own printing press. After Voltaire died his possessions were acutioned off to pay his debts (since he had wasted his considerable fortune). As for the printing press, it too was auctioned off and put back into service. The first thing that was printed on it by its new owners? You guessed it – a Bible.

    October 14, 2011 at 6:11 pm |
    • OhPlz

      Christianity and Islam and many other religions teach that the non-believer is doomed to eternity in hell in order to keep the faithful from questioning the faith. What kind of God would doom a good kind person to hell because that person doesn't believe in him? What kind of love and compassion, mercy and understanding is that?

      “Just as I imagine you also don't believe the accounts of the Holocaust because the people who witnessed it are mostly no longer living.”

      The seeds of hate planted by John and the other authors of the New Testament were the seeds of the Holocaust. The first page of a little children's picture book, published in 1936 by the Nazi's Sturmer-Verlag, is headed by a statement similar to that of John 8:43: ... 'the father of the Jews is the devil'.” The yellow star that the Nazis forced Jews to wear had its roots in medieval Christian laws that required Jews to wear a yellow circle, yellow because of the alleged Jewish greed for gold. This was a way to prevent romantic relationships from springing up between Christians and Jews and was very successful in imposing social isolation on them.

      Need I keep going....

      October 14, 2011 at 6:22 pm |
    • HellBent

      Would all you "atheists" (there really is no such thing, of course) out there please get together and explain what it was that happened about 2010 years ago that so affected people that it changed the entire world?
      -Well, not much really changed until Constantine made Christianity a state religion.

      What was it about "that man" that caused people to be so changed that they were willing to be killed and tortured for His sake?
      -People have died for a lot of other people. One does not need to be a deity, or even be correct to have people die for you. See: Manson, Chalres, Branch Davidians, Islamic Extremists

      What explanation do you give for the fact that Christianity (which you call a "myth") was so powerful that it profoundly affected the entire World?
      -Islam has affected the entire world, your point? And again, the world didn't really change all that much until Constantine made, by force, most of the world chance.

      There were more than 500 witnesses who saw Jesus Christ after he rose from the dead.
      -And your evidence of these "witnesses" Oh yeah, your book. And your evidence that your book is true? Oh yeah, your book. Here's a hint, if I write an event down decades after the even supposedly happened, it doesn't automatically make the book true.

      Just as I imagine you also don't believe the accounts of the Holocaust because the people who witnessed it are mostly no longer living. You really don't see the difference between many thousands of accounts, plus other primary sources, and four largely anonymous secondary sources? You didn't do too well in high school history, did you?

      Just because something happened 2000 years ago doesn't mean it isn't true No, just becuase someone wrote something down 2000 years ago doesn't mean it definitely is true.

      The fact is that Jesus did live, he was crucified and he did rise from the dead, and he did proclaim that "No man comes to the Father save through me." "Fact". You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

      If you want to know about real peace of mind and real happiness, get off the pitty pot of your self-importance and say a prayer. Not for Obama, but for your own soul (if you have one). I didn't find true peace of mind and true happiness until I let go of my beliefs, thanks.

      October 14, 2011 at 6:24 pm |
    • Kay

      Rest assured, there is such a thing as an atheist. I reject the claim that there is a "God" because the earth is littered with evidence that man created the gods, that they are idols or ideals, not extra-universal beings who need or demand something from us.

      As for Bible, I'm a huge love the OT books all the way through the Gospels. As a man Jesus was a very compelling charachter, but as an incarnate God or son of a God, he's entirely ridiculous. The ethics of love, mercy, justice, etc, do not require belief in gods to be appreciated.. at least not for those of us who comprehend that Jesus' teachings were much more important than Jesus. Those who idolize the godhead and Jesus over the common human psychology and basics human ethics are the problem, not the Bible or Jesus, the concept of a creator, or even atheists. Magical thinkers make a mockery of everything they touch.

      October 14, 2011 at 6:32 pm |
    • Scott - 1

      “please get together and explain what it was that happened about 2010 years ago that so affected people that it changed the entire world” Same thing that happened about 1410 years ago when Mohamed came along

      October 14, 2011 at 6:47 pm |
  8. Kaci

    It's clear by this article and the group's own statements that "true" Christianity is not practiced there. "PPT members are “asking God more for his divine intervention in Mr. Obama’s life than in Mr. Bush’s,” Bolthouse says, referring to President George W. Bush." That right there tells me this is "partisan praying" at work. How do you deem that one president doesn't need as much prayer as another? There is more hypocrisy in this article than one can shake a stick at. TRUE followers of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ would never make the assertions/statements made by this "group." Sounds like just another tool for the right. And $30K a month to pray? How long will the sheep continue to be led by false shepherds? God will surely "damn America" for perpetuating falsehoods, rampant hypocrisy, and using His son's name for hate. I'm just saying .......

    October 14, 2011 at 6:06 pm |
    • Ozymandias71

      Kaci, you're absolutely right. In their 'Morality in America' section (and I wonder when that section went live? Around 2008 maybe?) you'd think they'd wanna talk about helping the poor and needy, or tending to the sick, right? Nah – it's all about the Tea Party/GOP platform – hate the gays 'cause they're destroying America, hate the judges 'cause they're activists yada yada yada.

      October 14, 2011 at 6:23 pm |
  9. the_dude

    Look I just want all you rich republicans to give me a bunch of free money so I can stay at home and smoke dope all day long. Is that too much to ask?

    October 14, 2011 at 5:59 pm |
  10. *frank*

    Seems like it would be a better use of $360k a year to provide battered women with apartments to get on their feet or provide meals to low-income kids or rescue abused animals or something, vs financing something that demonstrably does absolutely zilch...it sure would be nice if all these religious fools simultaneously died in flaming car wrecks.

    October 14, 2011 at 5:49 pm |
    • GauisJulius

      I think many many Christians feel the same way. Although we don't know where the money is spent, it is more than likely spent very liberally compared to the churches. At least in the churches, the excess money goes to missions/feeding/counseling...after the fees to operate the church are taken out.

      October 14, 2011 at 6:25 pm |
  11. ArchieDeBunker

    Snow – The rich people do not "screw the poor," by and large. By far the greatest majority of the poor are poor because that's what they chose. Any person who does not take advantage of the wonderful free education system in the U. S. (and there are huge numbers of people who don't) has chosen, not been forced into, a life of poverty. You show me a person who is chronically poor, and in more than 90% of the cases I'll show you someone who skipped class, refused to do homework, thumbed their nose at those who tried to warn them and otherwise wasted their opportunity to be other than grindingly poor. The Welfare State espoused whole-heartedly by Liberal Democrat Socialists (sorry for the triple re-dundancy) is soley responsible for giving people the idea that the Government owes them a living whether or not they choose to educate themselves. In fact, the Federal Government has NO business handing out even one dollar to such people, unless that handout is accompanied by a requirement that the person receiving the money show concrete evidence that they are seriously (!) attempting to educate themselves and become useful for something other than another vote for the Dumbocrats.

    October 14, 2011 at 5:45 pm |
    • Richard Kaiser

      Okay, ADBunker,,,

      Can you tell me as to just how many 'educated' people within the U.S.A. have become the unemployed in the past few years? Does furthering one's education really get one a job? Are today's unemployed of the educated masses?

      Just to say, education is the proverbial key to jobs is pure nonsense. It may be true but for only a handful. Today's job boom is a bust and many know it. It is only getting worse and may eventually lead to an ever increasing vast majority without a job.

      Sorry AD Bunker, I can not see your perspective where furthering one's education leads one to a job.

      October 14, 2011 at 6:00 pm |
    • Ozymandias71

      People are poor because they want to be?? That's the biggest crock I've heard yet.

      October 14, 2011 at 6:26 pm |
    • Answer

      What is beyond your basic ABC's and 123's will get you a better job. With no more than your basic ABC's and 123's you end up as a grunt / muscle laborer.

      October 14, 2011 at 6:42 pm |
    • Wow

      Any person who does not take advantage of the wonderful free education system in the U. S. (and there are huge numbers of people who don't) has chosen, not been forced into, a life of poverty. You show me a person who is chronically poor, and in more than 90% of the cases”

      What total bull shit! People living in poverty cannot affort better foods and their constant lack of nutrition leaves them unable to work more to provide the extra money needed for nutritional foods. This is why people get stuck in the trap of poverty; they are unable to find a way out on their own. The cycle continues, generation after generation. Entire communities live in poverty always believing if they work hard enough they can break the cycle.

      “I'll show you someone who skipped class, refused to do homework, thumbed their nose at those who tried to warn them and otherwise wasted their opportunity to be other than grindingly poor”

      You’re a complete idiot. The reason they didn’t make it to school was because they had to get a job and work to help the family. You’re heart is made of ice and stupidity.

      October 14, 2011 at 6:52 pm |
  12. Observer

    Did you read John 14?

    October 14, 2011 at 5:40 pm |
    • Answer

      @Observer
      Anything in John will be able to show that God is Jesus if you care to do reasoning. Like this:

      John 1: Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

      You see if you have the other crap also in your TEN COMMANDMENTS saying that you should worship NO other representations as God. John 1 would automatically place Jesus as to be God himself. After all John is talking about Jesus not about himself. Whether you MAY accept that or not - it is NOT the factor. You MUST accept it.

      So when Jesus walks the earth, Jesus is in the flesh of a man. A living man god is still god, therefore all worldly powers come unto the man who is god in the flesh. Divinity in all it's glory. This is your concept of the Holy Trinity after all. If you're going to be that stupid and just paste contexts phrases disproving that Jesus is not God by saying "Jesus himself only claims that HE is the Son" – you are doing the double take.

      J.W do not be such a coward when I know your bible.

      October 14, 2011 at 5:58 pm |
  13. Answer

    "way to go

    JW-Learning theology from the atheists/non-believers?"

    Your kind do learn from us atheists – we know more about your own book than you do.

    October 14, 2011 at 5:37 pm |
  14. Answer

    @J.W

    "Ok find me a verse that Jesus said to worship him as God if you all are so smart."

    You see your inherent stupidity. It's your bible! I do not care to find anything in the bible for you! You read your own rubbish' bible and find the crap out for yourself. I am an atheist who loves the fact that I do not know things. I never claimed to be smart. I have logic and good reasoning is all.

    October 14, 2011 at 5:32 pm |
    • Trystan

      "The Father and I are one."
      John 10:30

      There is it.

      October 15, 2011 at 12:28 am |
  15. Answer

    @J.W

    "Ok find me a verse that Jesus said to worship him as God if you all are so smart."

    You see your inherent stupidity. It's your bible! I do not care to find anything in the bible for you! You read your own stinkin' bible and find the crap out for yourself. I am an atheist who loves the fact that I do not know things. I never claimed to be smart. I have logic and good reasoning is all.

    October 14, 2011 at 5:31 pm |
    • Answer

      I should also remake my rubbish' and stinkin' to f-u-c-k-i-n!

      Your useless bible. It's crap J.W.! Crap to me – I know because I have read it.

      October 14, 2011 at 5:34 pm |
    • J.W

      Then why bother to respond in the first place if you do not know what you are talking about?

      October 14, 2011 at 7:07 pm |
    • Answer

      @J.W.

      I do know what I am talking about. Your kind are ever so stupid.
      ====Quote
      Observer

      Did you read John 14?
      October 14, 2011 at 5:40 pm | | Reply

      Answer

      @Observer
      Anything in John will be able to show that God is Jesus if you care to do reasoning. Like this:

      John 1: Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

      You see if you have the other crap also in your TEN COMMANDMENTS saying that you should worship NO other representations as God. John 1 would automatically place Jesus as to be God himself. After all John is talking about Jesus not about himself. Whether you MAY accept that or not – it is NOT the factor. You MUST accept it.

      So when Jesus walks the earth, Jesus is in the flesh of a man. A living man god is still god, therefore all worldly powers come unto the man who is god in the flesh. Divinity in all it's glory. This is your concept of the Holy Trinity after all. If you're going to be that stupid and just paste contexts phrases disproving that Jesus is not God by saying "Jesus himself only claims that HE is the Son" – you are doing the double take.

      J.W do not be such a coward when I know your bible.
      October 14, 2011 at 5:58 pm | |
      =======Entire quote

      October 14, 2011 at 7:11 pm |
    • Trystan

      And I'll post it again.

      "The Father and I are one."
      John 10:30

      After washing their feet, he put on his robe again and sat down and asked, "Do you understand what I was doing? You call me 'Teacher' and 'Lord,' and you are right, because that's what I am. And since I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you ought to wash each other's feet."
      John 13:12-14

      Why is it that christians don't know their own bloody bibles?

      October 15, 2011 at 12:29 am |
  16. jnpa

    I am so tired of these GOP contestants pushing religion. Stop with the praying for this and praying for that. I am not anti-religion, just tired of hearing about it...get over it!!!

    October 14, 2011 at 5:14 pm |
    • Howard

      With obama as President, pray for America !!!

      October 14, 2011 at 5:15 pm |
    • jnpa

      @Howard...it could be worse. We could have a republican as president!

      October 14, 2011 at 5:17 pm |
    • Dara

      I'm sick of hearing from republicans in general

      October 14, 2011 at 5:29 pm |
    • Trystan

      At least republicans KNOW they're stupid. Liberals believe they're all intelligent but they're in the same boat as the conservatives. And it's sinking. Jesus Hussein Obama didn't save the country. So what does that tell you?

      October 15, 2011 at 12:32 am |
    • tallulah13

      Trystan, it tells me that Bush really messed up this country and his republican cronies are doing their best to keep it messed up.

      October 15, 2011 at 12:46 am |
  17. dougaussie

    Religion is only crap to people who have no hope. or have hope in nothing more than themselves and what they can do with life. in a sense they are religious because their worship is of themselves, they and their opinion is god untill the judgment day, then too late they see all hope is lost for them. They have exchanged eternal life for a small minded opinion.

    October 14, 2011 at 5:00 pm |
    • Ok'yDok'y

      “Religion is only crap to people who have no hope. or have hope in nothing more than themselves and what they can do with life. in a sense they are religious because their worship is of themselves, they and their opinion is god untill the judgment day, then too late they see all hope is lost for them. They have exchanged eternal life for a small minded opinion.”

      Actually I am known to be a very generous loving person. I don’t worship myself, but I do love my family and close friends. You have to tell yourself that so you feel better about YOUR choice of believing in a deity that doesn’t exist.

      October 14, 2011 at 5:25 pm |
    • me

      Religion is only credible to people who have no hope, in themselves or otherwise. In a sense they are religious because they lack confidence and are insecure about their own existence and purpose in life. Their opinion is god until the day they die, then too late to see the beauty of reason. They have exchanged their precious, finite lives for a life in chains, bounded by their small minded opinions.

      October 14, 2011 at 5:39 pm |
    • Richard Kaiser

      SIR ISAAC NEWTON (1642-1727), founder of Classical Physics and Infinitesimal Calculus

      “God made and governs the world invisibly, and has commanded us to love and worship him, and no other God; to honor our parents and masters, and love our neighbours as ourselves; and to be temperate, just, and peaceable, and to be merciful even to brute beasts. And by the same power by which he gave life at first to every species of animals, he is able to revive the dead, and has revived Jesus Christ our Redeemer, who has gone into the heavens to receive a kingdom, and prepare a place for us, and is next in dignity to God, and may be worshipped as the Lamb of God, and has sent the Holy Ghost to comfort us in his absence, and will at length return and reign over us.” (Newton, as cited in Memoirs of the Life, Writings, and Discoveries of Sir Isaac Newton by Sir David Brewster, Edinburgh, Thomas Constable and Co., 1855, Vol. II, 354).

      copied at http://nobelists.net/

      October 14, 2011 at 5:46 pm |
    • Kay

      It seems to me that it's the ones without hope that end up calling on a supposed idol from beyond the universe to save them from themselves or others. They can't, don't, or won't appreciate our own godlike power to transform the earth and human life. IMO, they have no faith at all if they have no faith in themselves or the species.

      October 14, 2011 at 5:53 pm |
  18. Richard Kaiser

    Politics is itself a cult of those in charge and of whom they recieve worship from. Be such worshipping positive or negative the politcal cultists put blind faith and desparaging hope in their political saviors.

    October 14, 2011 at 4:51 pm |
    • Richard Kaiser

      2 typos,,, sorry to repost,,,, :-(

      Politics is itself a cult of those in charge and of whom they recieve worship from. Be such worshipping positive or negative the political cultists put blind faith and disparaging hope in their political saviors.

      October 14, 2011 at 5:02 pm |
    • Answer

      Richard can you explain what your shadow at your feet is? Try it.

      October 14, 2011 at 5:05 pm |
    • Ok'yDok'y

      "Richard can you explain what your shadow at your feet is? "

      I need to put on more sun screen.

      October 14, 2011 at 5:50 pm |
    • Richard Kaiser

      @ Answer & Ok'yDok'y

      Only I know what evil lurks in one's shadow,,,,Dim-lit bulbs are a dime a dozen, while the high-cost ones give light brightly, the electricians needed to screw them in are priceless! Long Life to the Shadow!!!!!

      October 14, 2011 at 6:22 pm |
    • Answer

      @Richard

      Keep on with the rhetoric...
      You still can't see even your own shadow down at your feet. How are you supposed to find Jesus when you can't even figure out that what I have offered you is the world?

      You never considered to ask how you may find Jesus or God? I told you to look for the shadow under/around a man's feet. You do everyone a disservice by rejecting even a simple piece of knowledge! It is fact that you do not need a miracle to find God. The simplest thing is to look down at the feet and you can find God amongst men. You want to stay blind – do so.

      October 14, 2011 at 6:30 pm |
  19. NJBob

    Oh please! Can't we go even one day without all this religious crap??? What a complete waste of time.

    October 14, 2011 at 4:46 pm |
  20. snow

    Blo-ody moron, why doesn;t he just pray to god for economy to recover.. oh he did that already.. umm.. how about pray for people of other faiths (cults) to go away.. oh sorry he did that too.. Oh I know, lets pray for rich people to get more richer and screw the poor and working class. Yes.. Lets!

    October 14, 2011 at 4:40 pm |
    • Answer

      Most of us know it's a silly practice.

      They (evangelists) will keep on with their prayers til eternity because they do not find it silly. That is the only reason they keep on doing it.

      October 14, 2011 at 5:11 pm |
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