By Jessica Ravitz, CNN
Editor’s note: This is part of an occasional series of stories looking at the faith of the leading 2012 presidential candidates, including Mitt Romney, Rick Perry and Newt Gingrich. We also profiled the faith journey of Herman Cain before he suspended his campaign.
(CNN) – A cop arrived at the roadside wreckage of a June 1968 head-on collision in southern France, took one quick look at the Citroën’s unresponsive driver and, according to one of the driver’s friends, scrawled into the young man’s American passport, “Il est mort” - “He is dead.”
The man at the Citroën’s wheel was Mitt Romney, who may have appeared dead but was very much alive – as is his bid today for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination.
Romney was serving as a missionary for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or the LDS Church, when tragedy struck. It was a time of turmoil both in France and in the United States. Protests against the Vietnam War raged on, as did French disdain for Americans. Robert Kennedy had recently been assassinated, as had Martin Luther King Jr. a couple months earlier. France was still reeling from a May marked by riots, student demonstrations and crippling worker strikes.
There were six people in the car Romney was driving when friends say an oncoming speeding Mercedes, driven by a Catholic priest, veered into his lane. Among the passengers was mission president Duane Anderson – Romney was serving as his assistant – and Anderson’s wife. Anderson was injured, and Leola Anderson, 57, was killed. Like her husband, she’d been a parent figure to the approximate 180 Mormon missionaries in the field - their surrogate mother away from home. Now, she was gone.
“I don’t think [Romney] went around blaming himself, but in talking about it he’d shed some tears,” remembered Dane McBride, a fellow missionary and Romney friend ever since. “It was a very heavy experience for a 21-year-old.”
The mission president left France for six weeks to bury his wife and heal. A gloom spread over the mission field. Conversions dropped along with Latter-day Saint spirits.
These young men and women, who were already deep in a trying spiritual rite of passage, had to grow up and prove themselves in new ways.
In spite of his grief and a broken arm, Romney and a missionary companion – they always work in pairs – took charge. They traveled around the country visiting the others. Romney lifted up deflated missionaries with silly made-up songs. He taught them to visualize all they could accomplish and challenged them to raise their expectations, McBride said.
Romney increased the conversion goal for the year by 40%, believing they could and would recharge. In the end they surpassed Romney’s goal of baptizing 200 new members into the church.
It wasn’t such a stretch, though, for Romney to distinguish himself. Throughout his life, he’s been rooted in a faith that – whether he talks about it or not – helped shape the man and GOP presidential frontrunner he is today.
‘An American running for president’
Romney hopes to get the nod that eluded him four years ago.
Back then, during his first bid for president, he faced opposition from candidates including Mike Huckabee, a former Baptist minister and favorite of evangelical voters who billed himself as the “Christian leader.”
Romney has faced questions about his faith since first getting into politics in 1994, when he ran for U.S. Senate in Massachusetts against Democratic stalwart Ted Kennedy, whose attack on Romney’s Mormonism failed to gain traction.
Since then Romney, who was later elected Massachusetts governor, has played down his faith on the campaign trail. But he addressed it in a December 2007 speech, hoping to stem voter concerns about his faith and how it might influence him as a president. It was a speech he likened to John F. Kennedy’s famous 1960 speech, when Kennedy was in the running to be America’s first Catholic president.
“Almost 50 years ago another candidate from Massachusetts explained that he was an American running for president, not a Catholic running for president,” Romney said. “Like him, I am an American running for president. I do not define my candidacy by my religion. A person should not be elected because of his faith nor should he be rejected because of his faith.”
He said, “No candidate should become the spokesman for his faith,” and that if he were to be elected president, he would “serve no one religion, no one group, no one cause, and no one interest.”
“A president must serve only the common cause of the people of the United States,” he said. “I believe in my Mormon faith, and I endeavor to live by it. My faith is the faith of my fathers. I will be true to them and to my beliefs. Some believe that such a confession of my faith will sink my candidacy. If they are right, so be it.”
Whether Romney’s confession of faith did sink him was a subject of debate. He hoped to deflect the focus on his religion while not speaking to doctrine or specific beliefs. In the whole speech, he only mentioned the word Mormon once.
Just days later, Huckabee would stir the pot.
“Don’t Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?” Huckabee said to a New York Times reporter. Huckabee later apologized for the remark.
This time around, Romney remains strong in the polls and counts among his backers New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who endorsed Romney shortly after saying he wouldn’t join the race.
But Romney also has been distracted by pesky background noise. After introducing Texas Gov. Rick Perry at the recent Values Voter Summit, Pastor Robert Jeffress said Republicans shouldn’t vote for Romney because Mormonism is a “cult.”
Despite such efforts to instill doubt in voters, a recent CNN/ORC International poll showed that a candidate’s Mormon faith made no difference to 80% of Americans, and that 51% believed Mormonism was a Christian religion.
Beyond condemning Jeffress’s comments and Perry’s association with the pastor, Romney’s campaign has made it adamantly clear that it doesn’t want to discuss his faith. Repeated attempts to speak with the candidate, his wife, his children, his siblings - and, really, just anyone – about Romney’s faith journey were denied by campaign headquarters. Even the reins it has on those outside the inner circle appear tight. A local LDS Church leader in Michigan, contacted in hopes of finding childhood friends, forwarded CNN’s inquiry to campaign headquarters - prompting yet another slap down.
“What makes no sense to me is how you continue to push forward in writing about Gov. Romney’s faith journey when we’ve made it clear in every way possible that this is not a story we want to participate in,” campaign spokeswoman Andrea Saul wrote in an email.
Mitt Romney -- with wife Ann to his left -- hopes to become the first Mormon U.S. president.
Without talking to him, it’s impossible to say exactly what Romney believes. But what Mormons generally believe is this:
They count themselves as Christian because they accept Jesus Christ as the son of God and believe people are saved through his atonement. They believe the Bible is the word of God, and that the Book of Mormon (subtitled “Another Testament of Jesus Christ”) is, too.
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They believe The Church of Jesus Christ, which existed long ago, was restored by a prophet named Joseph Smith, who founded the LDS Church in 1830. Central to their belief system is that God still reveals truth to modern-day LDS Church prophets, as well as to individuals – Mormon or otherwise.
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They attend weekly services in chapels, also referred to as “wards” or meetinghouses, while their large temples (accessible only to those deemed sufficiently faithful) are utilized for the most important and sacred ceremonies, including baptisms for the dead and celestial marriages - during which couples are “sealed” for eternity. Mormons with temple privileges wear special undergarments as a reminder of their faith, and those who are devoted abstain from alcohol, tea and coffee.
Through faith, prayer and service to others, they strive to be more like Jesus and get closer to God. Latter-day Saints place great emphasis on families, believing that through them – and not alone – people can find a place in the highest level of heavenly society.
Families, Mormons say, can be united forever.
Growing up while abroad
The 19-year-old Mitt Romney who showed up for missionary training was different than the rest.
“Mitt stood out from everyone else,” said Byron Hansen, who flew with Romney to France in July 1966. “He already spoke French pretty darn good, while the rest of us knew ‘bonjour’ and ‘au revoir.’ He immediately jumped out as a leader.”
Romney, like many of the other young men called by church leaders to serve, had finished a year of college before he got his missionary calling. But he’d gone to prestigious Stanford University and came from a privileged and powerful background.
He was worldly, not intimidated, and he was eager to interact with people of different backgrounds, said Hansen, now a car dealer in Brigham City, Utah. “All the rest of us from no-name Utah had never been more than 500 miles away from home.”
Despite the comforts he’d known growing up, Romney wasn’t spoiled. Some apartments that housed missionaries around France lacked heat and water, but had plenty of fleas. Those sorts of conditions likely made Romney appreciate all the more the luxuries of the mission home, located in the ritziest part of Paris, where he worked and lived during the latter part of his two-and-a-half year mission. He and the others there were fed by a Spanish cook and enjoyed the benefits of maids.
What’s more, said fellow missionary and friend Dane McBride, the young men learned what time of day to peer through windows to watch Brigitte Bardot walk her poodles.
The scenery aside, “it was the nicest office I ever worked in,” said McBride, now an allergist and immunologist in Roanoke, Virginia.
Throughout his mission, Romney was the first to get out of bed each morning, forever focused on his goals and the lessons he’d teach, and he stayed gung-ho even when others faltered, Hansen said.
Romney didn’t shy away from approaching anyone. On Saturdays, a free day for missionaries, he’d be done with his laundry by 9 a.m. and coaxing everyone else out the door for bike rides in the mountains, tours in new places or football games.
“He was never one to sit around,” Hansen said. “You had to run to keep up with Mitt.”
He was both pragmatic and creative when it came to sharing Mormon teachings, McBride said.
“Neither of us cared for knocking on doors much,” said McBride, referring to the typical tact for Mormon proselytizing. “But we did it. We did it a lot.”
However, Romney was a big proponent of what McBride called “creative contacting.” In lieu of going door-to-door, he preferred to encourage conversations by building sidewalk kiosks or inviting French locals to play baseball or attend evening parties with American themes – complete with Western wear and guitar strumming.
Being a missionary in largely secular France deepened Romney’s faith because it forced him to wrestle with challenges, steep himself in study and prayer and face plenty of rejection, McBride said. Like others, Romney was no stranger to doors being slammed in his face or getting his behind kicked while heading down apartment stairwells. These sorts of encounters, his friend said, help a person mature and grow.
Establishing a connection with others in the face of adversity is central to the missionary experience, and it’s a skill Romney carries with him today, McBride said.
“Mitt knows how to find common ground with people,” he said. “You learn that being a missionary. … And it’s how you get things done in politics.”
Religious roots that run deep and strong
The groundwork for Romney’s faith journey was laid long before he put on a suit and, armed with his Book of Mormon, boarded a flight for France.
He comes from a long line of Latter-day Saints. Those who like to highlight what makes him different might point to how one of his great-grandfathers fled to Mexico, about 125 years ago, amid U.S. government crackdowns on what Mormons refer to as “plural marriage.” But many multigenerational Mormon families have polygamists in their family tree.
Plural marriage was introduced by church founder Joseph Smith but was officially banned by the church in 1890. Some 38,000 people aligned with fundamentalist offshoots of the LDS Church still practice polygamy, but they are a far cry and completely separate from the 14 million worldwide members in Romney’s church.
Romney’s late father, George Romney, was from modest means. He was born in Mexico to monogamous U.S.-born parents and left during the Mexican Revolution when he was 5. He went on to be CEO and chairman of the now-defunct American Motors Corporation, governor of Michigan and a presidential candidate himself in 1968.
Mitt Romney with his father, George Romney, who made his own mark as a leader in business, the LDS Church and politics.
Growing up Mormon in Michigan made Mitt Romney a member of a distinct minority. There were fewer than 8,000 Mormons in the state in 1945, two years before he was born, according to the LDS Church. It’s been reported that he was the only Mormon in his high school. While Mormon students in Utah could simply stroll across the street from school to attend early morning seminary before the first bell, longtime friend McBride said Romney didn’t have that easy, built-in outlet to strengthen his faith amid peers.
“Neither of us had benefited from that,” said McBride, who also grew up as a Mormon minority in Iowa and North Carolina. “We had been called on in school to defend our faith many times. … I remember from fifth grade on needing to defend my religion.”
Romney’s family, though, was active in the church. In 1952, his father was named Michigan’s first stake president. A stake is comparable to a diocese and has under its umbrella multiple “wards” or congregations, much as a diocese consists of parishes.
The LDS Church does not rely on professional clergy. Instead, church members are called to serve as volunteer leaders while holding down paid jobs. Church leaders rely on other volunteers as advisers. For instance, a ward bishop has two counselors, while a stake president confers with a high council of 12.
Being Michigan’s sole stake president meant Romney’s father – in addition to his full-time corporate work – oversaw ward operations, was the spiritual guide for the Latter-day Saint community and relayed messages from church headquarters in Salt Lake City.
Like many practicing Mormons, the Romneys enjoyed “family home evening” every Monday, a time reserved to pray, study and sing together, McBride said.
Romney has spoken publicly about how his parents took him and his three siblings on mobile American history lessons, McBride said, loading up the family Rambler for cross-country tours to national parks, with stops at places like Mount Rushmore, Valley Forge and Williamsburg.
But McBride said the family also likely visited LDS historical sites, including points along the path westward traveled by Mormon pioneers who followed the call of Joseph Smith’s successor, Brigham Young, and trekked through treacherous conditions to arrive in 1847 in what is now Utah.
While Romney’s parents made sure their children were deeply connected to their country and their faith, Romney didn’t reside in a Mormon bubble. He was part of a bigger and more diverse world.
Ann Davies, the woman he fell for and now calls his wife, was Episcopalian when he met her during high school, and he knew she was the one for him.
After he left for college and then his mission, she began studying Mormonism, attended church with Romney’s parents and converted. He returned from France and proposed to her immediately. After a civil ceremony in Michigan, the two were married and “sealed” for eternity in 1969 during a sacred ceremony in the Salt Lake Temple.
The couple returned to college and began a family at church-owned Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah, before moving to Boston, where Romney earned law and business degrees at Harvard.
Serving his LDS community
Romney rose in local church leadership while making his corporate mark. Along the way he applied many of the skills he’d displayed earlier, including his knack as a young missionary for turning challenges into possibilities.
In the 1980s and early 1990s, he served as a ward bishop – or part-time pastor – and stake president for the Boston area.
Romney delivered sermons, counseled couples, and made middle-of-the-night hospital runs. He monitored budgets, weighed welfare needs of immigrants and others, and drove outreach to different faith communities. He showed up at the homes of Latter-day Saints in need of help, taking on tasks such as removing bees’ nests.
Philip Barlow, now the chair of Mormon History and Culture at Utah State University, served as a one of two counselors to Bishop Romney in the early 1980s.
Each Saturday, the counselors would meet with Romney in his home in Belmont, a suburb northwest of Boston. And while the work was serious, it didn’t mean Romney always was. Barlow recalled the time Romney busted out with a rendition of Michael Jackson’s “Billie Jean” and did a formidable moonwalk across the floor.
“The media is always reporting that he can come across as too polished,” Barlow said. “But there’s a real person there.”
Romney also was the kind of leader who built bridges with those suspicious of Mormons. When a chapel under construction in Belmont burned to the ground amid ongoing anti-Mormon sentiment, he turned the perceived arson attack into opportunity.
Non-Mormon churches offered their buildings to accommodate the needs of the displaced Latter-day Saints during the chapel’s reconstruction. While it would have been easier to pick one place to call a temporary home for services, classes and meetings, Romney accepted every viable offer he received – thereby forcing a rotation of interaction with different faith communities.
“It was an inspired move,” said Grant Bennett, who at one time served as a counselor to Romney when he was a bishop and later served on the Boston stake’s high council under Romney when he was president.
Experiencing the kindness of strangers offered relief to Mormons who had been feeling “a little under siege,” said Bennett, who first got to know Romney through church in 1978 and worked with him for five years at Bain & Company, a global consulting firm that Romney eventually led as CEO.
“In a religious context, Mormons are very good at serving each other and are often hesitant to accept help,” he said. “I think Mitt had the fundamental insight … that we’d be better off and [the other churches would] be blessed by helping us.”
It was the sort of decision perhaps born of being in the minority in Michigan and learning early to honor religious pluralism, said Bennett, now president of CPS Technologies, a high-tech manufacturing firm in the Boston area.
On the campaign trail and with media, Romney hopes to focus on matters other than faith.
In his religious roles, Romney had to delegate and call others to serve. Sometimes he believed in people more than they believed in themselves.
Andy Anderson, a retired researcher and writer in Kaysville, Utah, first got to know Romney amid tragedy. It was Anderson’s mother who was killed in the 1968 car wreck in France, and when his father returned to Paris, Anderson, his wife and children went along.
When Romney later moved to Anderson’s neighborhood in Massachusetts, Anderson said he helped Romney and his family settle in.
In 1989, Anderson said he was minding his own research business when Romney, then the Boston stake president, called him for a meeting. A group of new converts Anderson described as “Cambodian boat people” – united formally as a “branch,” which is smaller and less developed than a ward - had suddenly lost its president without warning.
In shock, he listened as Romney said, “Guess who’s the next branch president?”
Anderson said he’d been raised to accept church callings. But between the language barrier, the cultural differences, the poverty and the responsibility, this one seemed too much. He begged and pleaded with Romney. He told him he was unqualified, that he’d “never been president of anything.” He said, “It sounds like a really bad fit, Mitt.” But Romney wasn’t swayed.
“Andy, you know where this comes from,” Romney answered, referring to the Mormon belief that God can reveal truths to individuals. “It’s not me. You go talk to Him and tell me when you’re ready.”
For the next three years Anderson said he oversaw the poorest people in the Boston stake. The overwhelming task “nearly killed me,” he said. But along the way he not only fell in love with the community, he learned to believe in himself and see that he could be a leader.
“I count Mitt as a friend, and it has been a real pleasure to work under him,” he said. “If he was a real pain to work for, I’d know it. I’ve worked for people in the church I couldn’t stand.”
Women’s view of Romney
The Romney reviews from Latter-day Saint women in the Boston area were more mixed.
In the early 1970s, as the feminist movement gained steam, a group of Mormon women began gathering in Cambridge to explore the history of women in their church. They were looking for role models, stories that would inspire them.
With the help of LDS Church historians, they learned about their female ancestors and wrote a book, “Mormon Sisters: Women in Early Utah.” They discovered that a women’s newspaper, Women’s Exponent, was published in the late-19th and early-20th centuries and featured women’s writings that Judy Dushku described as “very feminist in their views.”
“We were reading about women we’d never heard of before,” said Dushku, a Suffolk University professor of government with an interest in gender. She and other “founding mothers” were moved to start a new publication, now a quarterly magazine: Exponent II.
That decision, however, was not received well by the LDS Church, Dushku said. She said the fact that it was independent and had no stamp of approval from church higher-ups, all of them men, rubbed some - including Romney - the wrong way.
Dushku said Romney encouraged friends to tell their wives not to participate. He made it clear he didn’t want the women behind the publication holding meetings on church property. Dushku and the others suspected it was under his direction that copies of the magazine displayed in congregations got dumped in wastebaskets.
The LDS Church is patriarchal in nature. Only men can serve as bishops, stake presidents and in higher leadership roles, including the combined post of church president and prophet. Only men are welcome in the priesthood, which in Mormon circles means having the authority, for example, to perform baptisms and offer sacramental blessings.
Dushku decided she could live with this and remains a faithful Mormon. She said she and the others simply wanted an outlet for women to discuss issues unique to them. And while what they created may have seemed “radical” back then, she says there are Mormon women bloggers today who push boundaries much more than Exponent II ever did.
What got to Dushku about Romney was less his reaction to the magazine and more how she saw him treat women he was in a position to comfort and support as a local church leader.
Dushku has told the story of a woman, a mother of four, who was pressured by then-Bishop Romney to go forward with a pregnancy despite advice from doctors that a medical complication made it too dangerous.
She also recalled the story of a meeting between Romney and a woman whose ex-husband had been excommunicated from the church because of numerous affairs he’d had while serving as a bishop.
The woman asked Dushku to accompany her to the meeting, where Romney encouraged the woman to forgive her philandering ex so he could be re-baptized into the church and marry another woman.
The problem, Dushku said, is that the husband had never bothered to apologize to the wife he’d hurt, a fact she said Romney didn’t seem to care much about.
Since speaking out to media recently, Dushku said she’s been flooded with responses from Facebook friends. Most of the reactions are positive, thanking her for her courage.
But some friends have suggested she back off.
“How can you blame someone who has so many responsibilities?” one friend wrote. “He was young,” said another. “People change.”
Dushku said she affords Romney the possibility he may have changed, that he might handle such situations differently today.
“But compassion is a character quality,” she said. “I doubt he’s much different now.”
Her take on Romney, though, doesn’t jibe with that of Helen Claire Sievers, executive director of Harvard’s WorldTeach program, which brings volunteer teachers to developing countries.
Sievers, who’s been involved with Exponent II on and off since its inception, was the Boston stake activity director when Romney was stake president. She recalled being at a meeting in Dushku’s house in Watertown, outside of Boston, when women began wondering aloud about how their local church might better empower women.
“Often leadership in the Mormon church tends to pull far to the right, to out-orthodox the orthodox,” said Sievers, who later proposed to Romney that he should meet with the Boston LDS women to hear their frustrations and suggestions. Romney was willing to have such a meeting, even though it bucked the comfort level of church headquarters.
“I was really impressed that Mitt felt strongly that even if he could get in trouble with the hierarchy, he really wanted to hear what the women that were under his stewardship had to say so that they would feel as comfortable as possible in church,” Sievers said.
As a result of the meeting, which drew more than 150 participants, Sievers said adjustments were made, including allowing women to say opening prayers at church meetings. Romney didn’t have the power to change church doctrine, but Sievers said he could and did bend the norm to make women feel heard and more respected.
“Many Mormon men wouldn’t make that choice,” she said.
Serving outside the stake and ward
In his fulltime work life, Romney showed that his commitment to serving others extended beyond those in his ward or stake. His religious values came through in business decisions – sometimes trumping opportunities for financial gain.
Robert Gay, who was once a managing partner at Bain Capital, the venture capital firm Romney founded, recalled how Romney refused to put investment dollars into a deal with Artisan Entertainment because he didn’t want to profit from R-rated films.
But of greater note to Gay - who once served on the Boston stake’s high council with Romney - was something Romney did for him in 1996.
After Gay’s 14-year-old daughter went missing for three days in New York, Romney shut down Bain Capital in Boston and flew about 50 employees to New York to help find her.
The girl, who lived with her family in Connecticut, disappeared after going to a concert in Manhattan. Romney and the other Bain Capital executives put their “$1 billion investment firm” on hold, created a “war room” at a hotel, paid to print 200,000 fliers, set up a toll free hotline number and enlisted the help of a private investigator, the Boston Globe reported at the time.
They canvassed streets and talked to runaways. The girl was found in a New Jersey home, “dazed from a disorienting dose of a drug,” the Globe reported.
It’s not a story Gay likes to retell, though he did record a video testimonial about it during Romney’s 2008 presidential bid. Today, Gay would rather offer other insights, including the time another Bain Capital partner suddenly fell very ill and was hospitalized. Romney was the first person to show up for a visit at Massachusetts General Hospital.
Gay now lives in West Palm Beach, Florida, and manages an equity fund with Jon Huntsman Sr., father of another GOP Mormon presidential hopeful. Gay called Romney “a devout Christian,” someone who has always been committed to “leading a good and purposeful life.”
What faith means for future
Romney, like the other prospective candidates for president, will remain under the microscope in the months ahead.
His past will be combed, his policies scrutinized, his record examined.
How much his Mormon faith plays into his political journey remains to be seen. But whether he likes it, whether his campaign can control it, the fact that he may be on track to become the first Mormon president in U.S. history will garner attention.
It’s a reality that Romney friends like McBride acknowledge, even if it disappoints them.
“The issues of his church are not the issues of this country. Those are personal issues,” he said. “I hate to see further articles [about his faith], but, on the other hand, what do you do?”
Mormons are celestial perverts. They do not know the Truth about the Kingdoms of the Gods(Yes plural) They, along with every Christian religion are bloomin' idiots when it comes to understanding a few literal verses of scripture that proclaims the EXACT whereabouts of the kingdoms of the Gods!
I grow very tired of Mormonism and Catholicism and Christendom for there denying of literal scriptural Truths about the bodies of people being Gods' husbandry and buildings and temples and even KIngdoms of the Gods! Until religion teaches and preaches the Truth, I will refrain from perticipating in any religious affairs that fall short of the Word in Truth!
Whatever, dude. Shalom.
1Cr 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Cr 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building.
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is inside/within you.
copied from blueletterbible.org
We believe the Bible and the Book of Mormon (Another Testament of Jesus Christ) to be the word of God.
Christ is our salvation. Check this out:
“We talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins.” (Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 25:26)
"Wherefore, ye must press forward with a steadfastness in Christ, having a perfect brightness of hope, and a love of God and of all men. Wherefore, if ye shall press forward, feasting upon the word of Christ, and endure to the end, behold, thus saith the Father: Ye shall have eternal life....there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God." (Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 31:20-21)
Complete fiction, as was the original.
Romney will likely get the nomination. Tea Party and evangelicals will rebel, putting up Cain or Perry as third party candidate. GOP vote will split, Obama will get second term.
lds.org and mormon.org are both official sites of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Mormon.org is targeted toward a non-Mormon audience, those wanting more info.
One of the worst ways to get accurate info on almost anything is by reading comment boards. There are full-out lies that have been posted by a particular person on this site all day long (do you have nothing more constructive to do than refer people to Google??), not even under his or her true name.
Keep in mind the source from whence you get the answers.
"By their fruits ye shall know them." – in other words, look at the Mormon's (Latter-day Saints) around you, in your neighbourhood, in your school, in the community. If they live their faith, I bet by and large, they are contributing members of society who place emphasis on good work ethic, honesty, education, family and kindness.
If you have honest questions about what we Mormons believe, check out the official websites – or, better yet – get off the computer and pick up the phone. Just look under "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" in the phone book and someone will love to help you.
Uh, Jenny: how much did you get paid by the LDS to post this? It is a total cop-out to say he criticism of the LDS Church that have been poster are all untrue. They are not. It is a fact that Joseph Smith was a treasure hunter of dubious credibility. It is a fact that he claimed to interpret the BOM by using a seeing stone to read golden tablets found in his backyard that he showed to no one. It is a fact that the Mormon religion teaches that women can only get into the highest level of heaven by being called from the grave by their husbands using their secret name. It is a fact that the LDS claims that men can become gods and rule their own planets. It is a fact that the LDS church teaches that Jesus was the brother of Lucifer and that he procreated before being crucified. It is a fact that the book of Mormon claims that blacks are cursed and bear the mark of Cain. It is a fact that Mormons baptize dead people, even those, such as holocaust survivors, who would be deeply offended by the notion. Instead of issuing silly denials, confront these facts. I dare you. In fact, I double-dog dare you.
You're kidding, right? Like anyone is going to get the "truth" about mormonism from a couple of brainwashed cult member kids in suits and ties on mountain bikes? If you believe that I suggest you call Tom Cruise for the "real truth" about scientology.....
@PamK, I will reply once as I need to get on with family life and get off the computer. I am replying to clarify a few things, not with the intent of convincing, as I don't see that happening, especially in a comment forum.
– I am not being paid. I live this religion, and I believe it to be true.
– We do not understand chemotherapy, but have faith it will work to eliminate cancerous cells. I do not understand all the revealed doctrines of my Church, but I have faith and I live, study, pray daily and I am a happier person for it.
– Most of your comments are taken out of context and could never be explained properly on a comment board. I encourage you to find a live Mormon :) and ask them if you are really interested.
– Yes, we participate in baptisms for the dead in our temples, acting as proxies on their behalf. The deceased are free to accept or reject the ordinance. tiny.cc/uh4yq
For those reading these posts and wondering what's what, I encourage you to go to the source and ask. Find a Church nearby and you can get more answers.
Jennifer, you drank the cool-aid long ago, and are beyond help. That doesn't make you, or anything you believe correct, however. While you get back to your (undoubtedly large) family, I'm going to make a note to amend my will so that I will be cremated and scattered in order to avoid having you folks try to baptize me after I'm dead, just in case I don't hear about it and can't reject you. Thanks for the heads-up.
West: you just made me belly laugh for another ten minutes. Thank you. Well done. Jennifer, I am glad your faith brings you solace, but honestly, the Book of Mormon is not true. Which is something different than incomprehensible. I don't mean that Joseph Smith didn't write it or believe what he wrote. What I mean is that it is based on facts that have been proven to be wrong. It is one thing to have faith in the unknown or unknowable. It is another thing to believe that which has been proven untrue. It is a gift to be able to completely ignore evidence, a gift I do not have. Unfortunately for Mitt Romney, I don't that think that gift should be vested in an American President.
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I can tell whose lives sucks by reading this argument. It's probably the same people that live off welfare.
So I'm assuming your scoring this like golf, right?
As far as work, I bet I do a lot more of it than you. In fact I bet you're one of those hypocrite teabagger trolls who are happy to have the government pave their roads, provide public schools for their kids, provide a mortgage credit, etc. then whine about all those fictional people getting so much for free.
I can tell whose lives sucks by reading this argument. It's probably the same people that live off welfare."
@West – Oh I'm so sorry, did my comment offend you? Did all my hate in my two sentence comment get to you? Are you going to troll me the same way I'm trolling you? Since you decided to spread some hate I felt like doing the same. So by your logic, you are also one of those hypocritical teabagging trolls. Does that make you happy big boy?
To clear things up would you please comment on the truth of Pam K’s assertions?
Science flies you to the moon; religion flies you into buildings. Our founders knew there was no place for religion in the governance of the US of A.... why don't we listen to them?
AWESOME comment. The first sentence should be engraved into the Ground Zero Monument.
Mormons were one of the very first faiths to speak against slavery, as compared to other " so called Christian" religions who did everything to keep their slaves.
LOL – They were the last to speak of civil rights. They excluded black people as late as 1978. :)
When the IRS threatened their tax-free status the "prophet" suddenly had a "vision" and they allowed people of color (not just Blacks were excluded – also Hispanics, Asians, etc.)
It's amazing what the power of money can do. ;)
Your founder of your religion owned slaves himself.Mormons were very much for slavery like other southern christians. So that was and is a complete and utter lie.
Joseph Smith ran for president on an anti-slavery platform in 1844.
It's time for the intolerant, uncivil, minority Americans to scream about religious affiliation of a presidential candidate. You talk about separation of church and state. Why do so many of you overlook the history and character of a man or woman because you hate Mormons? You go ahead and keep the tradition of intolerance and lack of community, I am going to vote for the man or woman who can make a difference because they know what they are doing and not because they have a belief I don't agree with. If Mitt Romney has experience actually governing something (not just legislating) and he has a track record of managing money at a large scale than those are good things. I can't believe their are so many people in America who hate Mormons. We love family. We believe in Christ. We have a moral system based on the Bible. So you don't agree with everything we believe? Well I don't believe in everything you believe but I would vote for you over Romney if you were the best fit for president because I don't base a candidate on his religion. Why can't you look at the character, morality, and track record of a person? The founding Fathers would roll in their graves if they saw the kind political leaders Americans have chosen in the past years.
The founders would roll over in their graves to see a Mitt Romney presidency, too. And although it's great that you won't consider religion when you vote, most of the LDS around here (Salt Lake City) are practically p-ing in their pants over having two mormons in the race (although they suspect Huntsman is not sufficiently right-wing). The mormons are ok when they're in the minority, but when they get real power? I suggest people look up the Mountain Meadow massacre.
Magic Underwear embodies everything that is wrong with internet forums.
Arrogant people don't want anybody to join their "club". Have you ever seen a more missionary church inviting EVERYONE to join?
There has been black people in the Mormon Church for more than 150 years. FYI
lol – maybe as servants and slaves!! Ha ha ha
Do I need to start pasting all of the proof of Mormon racism??
Simply Google "Mormon 1978 Black People"
Mormons were devout racists until suddenly in 1978 – more than 10 years after the Civil Rights Act. Suddenly their "profit" had a "vision"....from the IRS. ;)
Blacks were.not allowed in the mormon's faith until 1978.
i like how this guys solution to the worlds problems is 'Google' it. he probably believes everything on wikipedia too. blacks were allowed in the church since its founding, it was the priesthood they couldn't have. how do i know? i googled it
Wil, you are wrong. Blacks have always been allowed to be members. Male blacks were not allowed to become priesthood holders until 1978.
you're right, mormonism can't possibly be true. i mean, a 14 year old boy seeing an angel that tells him about a golden book? it's far more logical to believe that moses communed with a burning bush that told him to go to a talking mountain and get some cool engraved rocks. you're all complete freaking retards...leave these people alone, let them be, and enjoy the election
A new flavor of Mormon GOP obfuscation troll?
if thats the case, you're pretty easily confounded aren't you?
Do not judge a man by his race, religion, or color. There is a first time to everything. Just as a black man was given a chance to lead the americans, so can a mormon be given this change. This is the American way. Let Democracy prevail.
Ironically that black man (President Obama) was not even allowed in the Mormon church or allowed in the priesthood when Mitt Romney was in college.
Google "Mormon 1978 Black People". (They excluded blacks as late as 1978 until the IRS threatened their tax free status.)
OK agreed. So do you want to see the same thing happen to the mormon people. People make mistakes, groups make mistakes, nations make mistake. What year was the first time, black people were allowed to vote?? This is not 1978, This is 2011. You can forgive and move on, or stick to 1978. Choice is yours :-)
Within the Mormon faith there are a higher percentage of well educated people because of the value we place on education. FYI.
...and arrogance? Supremacy? Self-righteousness?
If you wanted to start a Rationality Club, Sunday morning would be an excellent time to hold meetings.
You wouldn't have to worry about there being a time conflict for churchgoers, because they wouldn't be attending your meetings anyway.
Is this how CNN disguises bigotry? Why is religion all of a sudden an issue on CNN? It looks like JFK didn't erase religious discrimination from politics like he hoped his candidacy and presidency would.
Magic Underware – everytime you open your mouth you confirm your stupidity. Period.
Why thank you, ye Mormon tool of the pedophilia nation.
Perry believes in a guy who talked to a burning bush that didn't burn and divided a body of water with a stick....do we really want to argue about the unscience in all religion?
Kay, please explain why we should vote for a guy that believes he will become a god and rule a planet when he dies.
I don't vote for "kooks" for president, and wow, that sure qualifies as kooky to me.
This is contradictory, in that, if he believed he would become a god when he died, he wouldn't be eligible. Achieving such a state requires vast humility, for one thing.
In other words, it is not something that someone on earth can directly aspire to. After one dies, it is possible as a result of
in the course of ETERNAL progression.
Jesus himself came to a prophet in these latter days to correct all the errors that creeped into his gospel from all these various "so called Christian sects" . The Book of Mormon teaches that Jesus Christ is the ONLY name through which salvation can be had. FYI. All the prophets say that it is Christ we must follow – NOBODY ELSE.
Say Mormon troll – there's just a hint of arrogant self-righteousness in your judgmental Mormon rant.
How can we elect a leader who believes the world was created 5000 years ago? If this guy can't grasp science, how will he grasp the leadership of our country? We need somoneone to lead us into the furture, not backwards into fairytales and myths from a book. This guy is a joke in my books.
let's follow that logic....how can we elect anyone that believes in a talking snake, a wizard that turned water into wine, walked on water, died for 3 days then came back to life, and is actually 3 beings combine in one
Romney actually is one of the few candidates that believes in evolution. He also believes in global warming.
Actually, Obama believes in evolution, global warming, DNA, stem cell research, clean energy, global diplomacy and a whole lot of other things that make sense. What he does not believe in is populating his own planet with his multiple wives. It is fair to say that all religions are based on mythical stories. But Mormonism is unique in the degree to which it's adherents are connected to the church. I don't feat Mitt Romney, the man ( though I doubt he will be elected). I fear the LDS behind him, that exerts excessive control over it's members and has shown a propensity to happily enter into the political sphere . See, e.g., California, Prop. 8.
Amazingly written and informative.
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