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For growing ranks of pagans, October 31 means a lot more than Halloween
A pagan altar constructed for Samhain, the pagan new year, which is October 31.
October 31st, 2011
09:54 AM ET

For growing ranks of pagans, October 31 means a lot more than Halloween

By Susanne Gargiulo, Special to CNN

As pumpkins, witches and faux cobwebs have taken over much of North America for Halloween, Clare Slaney-Davis is preparing an October 31 feast that some would consider much spookier, with table settings for her grandparents, a great-aunt and other relatives who have passed away.

As she and her living guests eat, they'll share stories and memories of loved ones they've lost.

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Slaney-Davis, who is based in London, isn't preparing the feast for Halloween. Instead, she and pagans around the world are celebrating Samhain, the beginning of the pagan new year, a night when the veil between the worlds of the living and the dead is believed to be the thinnest of any time during the year.

That's why it's a night devoted to ancestors. "We honor them, and we recognize that we don't live in a world of people who are merely dead or alive," says Slaney-Davis, 46. "Ancestors are central to us."

Along with the Catholic holiday All Saints' Day, Samhain is considered an ancient forerunner of Halloween. Samhain began as a Celtic celebration marking the end of harvest and the beginning of winter's hardship.

Today, pagans play down the Halloween-Samhain connection. But the growing popularity of the pagan new year in Europe and North America is part of what many experts say is a global revival of paganism.

Slaney-Davis, who trained as a witch and a druid, says her religion has nothing to do with ghosts and ghouls. "To me, being a pagan means being in divine balance with nature and being responsible for my actions," she says. "I understand that my behavior has an effect on people I don't even know exist. It is not a theology of perfection but one of belonging."

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But it is a theology that's gaining ground. According to the 2008 American Religious Identification Survey, the number of members of "other religions" or "new religious movements," categories that include pagans, more than doubled between 1990 and 2008, to 2.8 million.

The survey, conducted byTrinity College in Connecticut, reported that the numbers of Wiccans and neo-pagans had also doubled in that time.

Contemporary pagan religions like Wicca and druidism are considered neo-pagan movements.

"(Paganism) is one of the fastest growing religions in the world," says Michael York, a retired religious scholar from Bath Spa University in the UK. "True numbers are impossible to come by because many people are wary to admit they are pagan, and reliable statistics just don't exist."

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While paganism covers a range of individual religious groups, including Wicca, druidism, and shamanism, they're bound by some common denominators, such as roots in ancient, pre-Christian beliefs, and their view of nature and the whole physical world as sacred.

"In traditional religions you have a conflict between God and nature," says York. "But for pagans, nature becomes the truest expression of the divine."

That, he says, is a big reason why paganism is seeing a revival: "If nothing else, because of the impending destruction of our environment, and our focus on finding a way to live in balance with nature."

Another key pagan belief is the freedom for each person to determine his or her own way to and view of the divine. "Paganism doesn't put restrictions on what you can and cannot believe," says Jason Pitzl-Waters, co-founder of the Pagan Newswire Collective and the pagan blog The Wild Hunt. "It grows out of an ethos that there isn't just one sacred way to understand the world."

But that lack of dogma has become something of a stumbling block for the movement. "Because paganism is very individual, it creates the problem of not having a unified voice, because nobody speaks for the movement as a whole," says York.

Another problem pagans face is one of image: For centuries, including during the Roman Catholic inquisition, pagans were denounced as heretics and devil-worshippers.

"One of our greatest challenges is to overcome the hostility of groups that still see us as evil," says Pitzl-Waters. "To some conservative Christian groups, we are an early warning sign of societal collapse."

Just last week, an opinion column in The Christian Post, an online newspaper, warned that the "dark festival" of Samhain is an invitation to the devil. The column said that "even though you don't consciously call upon Satan, his demons are nevertheless present any time a Wiccan goes through a spiritual door by using magic." It calls on Wiccans to ask forgiveness for their sins and to turn to Jesus.

"Part of what is scary for conservative religions is that as a pagan, I consider myself part of the divine," says Holli S. Emore, executive director at South Carolina's Cherry Hill Seminary, which has one of the world's first graduate-level programs for pagan ministry. "That means God lives in me, and that is blasphemous to some. To me, it's a big responsibility to do good and act right."

Scholars say that the neo-pagan view of God being everywhere and in everything is not a foreign idea on the global religious stage. "Much of modern paganism looks to older religions like Shinto, Hinduism and indigenous religions, which see spirit in everything," says Jenny Blain, senior lecturer in sociology at Sheffield Hallam University in England and author of several books on paganism.

"If you add all those to modern paganism, that is a considerable part of the world that does not live with traditional Abrahamic views," she says.

There are signs that paganism is gaining some acceptance in the nonpagan world. For the first time last year, the government of Britain recognized druidism, an ancient pagan belief system, as a religion.

"People either see paganism as dangerous or as a joke," says Pitzl-Waters. "But it is a serious global movement. Paganism has arrived as a world religion. It's not just a bunch of counterculture types playing witchcraft games."

That said, traditional witchcraft rituals, like gathering in circles and uttering spells, have an important place in modern paganism, which further unsettles more traditional religious believers.

"Because Christianity is more conservative, anything seen as supernatural or magic automatically becomes of the devil," says York. "Because of that dichotomy, paganism is automatically seen as satanic."

"People fear what they don't understand," says Emore. "But spells are basically prayers with props. What we call magic is the intentional use of power to achieve change, and just like with prayer, what you are doing is tapping into an inner resource. Gathering in a circle and acknowledging the four elements is nothing new this is something Native Americans and many ancient nature-based religious people did as well."

For neo-pagans, the four elements  earth, air, water and fire  are closely linked to their view of a sacred planet. "The attributes associated with each element become tools in our meditation and in practices such as spells," says Emore. "Water is associated with emotions and intuition, air with intellect and communications, earth with foundation and stability, and fire with passion and action."

To York, paganism's ancient rituals also help bring a sense of enchantment back into life.

"The ancients had a sense of the magical, but with Christianity came a diminishment," he says. "The magical was denied, everything became inanimate, and from a pagan perspective we lost our connection with the sacred. I think we are rediscovering that now."

"Pagans understand there comes a winter, which is a time to ready for rebirth," York says. "For us, the last 2000 years has been the pagan winter."

- CNN Belief Blog

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  1. Theodyn

    I abandoned Christianity after 35 years in the faith; it just never was anything more than hollow and empty for me. I've been an active, practicing Witch now for seven years – and it was as a Witch that I finally found spiritual peace.

    Very pleased to see articles like this. There are many of us, more than you can imagine; but we do remember the past, and we'll probably continue to work and worship in secret for some years to come.

    November 1, 2011 at 10:33 am |
    • Bork

      You've merely moved from one silly fiction to another.

      November 1, 2011 at 10:46 am |
    • Willis

      As long as you are truly happy with yourself. Sounds like a real hoot there.

      November 1, 2011 at 11:24 am |
  2. Willis

    This is headline news CNN? This takes up the top banner of your ever-eroding web site? And the secondary story is regarding the occupy wall street "movement" that you feverishly and carelessly endorse? How uptight does a news outlet have to get? Throw an article about trick or treaters or something of positive relevance. Have fun with it it's a holiday. What will you do to lambaste Thanksgiving!?? Oh I can't wait to see the apologetic articles on how we need to consider the Indians during this season and how horrible those white men were. Predictable. Drivel. Offended I am even as a liberal. Fox News is not my cup of tea, but I know at least I can get relevant, important news from that site. Sad to say. But admittedly it's true.

    November 1, 2011 at 10:07 am |
    • Al

      "Offended I am"
      Are you Yoda?

      Also, what's so wrong with remembering how the first Thanksgiving in America really played out? Do you prefer the fairy tale version that includes Pilgrims dressed like leprechauns?

      November 1, 2011 at 10:26 am |
    • John Richardson

      White people WERE pretty damn horrible to the natives there, Willis.

      November 1, 2011 at 10:44 am |
    • Willis

      There is nothing wrong with remembering how the first Thanksgiving played out. But since it did play out, and America played out to what is has become after the matter, why put your mindset in reverse and fill yourself with all this unnecessary guilt? I'm not even white and I get it. Who cares how politically or culturally "insensitive" these long-celebrated holidays may be in their true roots. Liberty is sometimes ugly. Ironically it seems your ilk are the ones who seek to go backward in time, not the overly-despised tea party types. You'd like to go back and undo everything so that you were never born and America is a barren land full of millions of Indians? What does your mindset accomplish? If it is just to "reflect" on the true origins of a holiday, sure, ok, I get it. If that makes you feel more hip and informed so that those who don't focus on it are "shamed", then great, whatever boosts your esteem. But what point does it serve to make a grand issue out of something that happened, that's historical, and heaven forbid led to a holiday that celebrates family and diversity (yes diversity, despite how the Indians were treated). All helped lead to the free country in which you live, the country where you have the freedom to be a Debbie downer about every American tradition you can find to target as such. That's ok. Others will focus more on what's important to them, less on the unrepairable minutia.

      November 1, 2011 at 10:52 am |
    • hippypoet

      forget thanksgiving, its truly meaningless. It is not the birth of anything, the memory was the birth of the holiday – the fact was a cold bitter winter and a bunch of morons with no idea how to survive without civilization and with no forethought about it! That is the "American" way, do first, ask questions later! in that sense, yes thanksgiving has meaning, but nothing to eb thankful for! NOW, lets go shot some buffalo outside a train window and completely distory the natives main food source! Now, lets go train a bunch of people in other countries to take out there mean evil government and then hope they still listen to us! Now, lets go cut down all the trees we can find because we know that they give us air to breath but who cares, we need wood to build more homes in what was the area promised to the natives after killing nearly all of them....but who cares right... lets give thanks! And, duck is wayyy more tasty compared to turkey! cranberries just suck!

      November 1, 2011 at 11:01 am |
    • Willis

      Well I take it that most of you don't celebrate holidays much at all, do you. To each their own. It would be simplistic to allow my mind to focus on the literal happenings! The "do first,cask questions later" mentality of Americans ( which most of you in here seem to hate, such as HippyPoet). Are you Americans who have this self-hate? Why the guilt? I suspect it has deeper roots to mommy and daddy. Anyway, for those in here who celebrate Thanksgiving, even though there isn't much to be thankful for as these brilliant minds continuously point out. Also, hope Halloween went well (seems more likely you'd celebrate THAT one, something tells me). Next it's Christmas. Let's see how that one goes. Hey serious question: would you be ok if America split into 2 parts, one part that kept the traditions and American spirit going. Another part that embraced the atheism and white-guilt and the desire to become a melting pot devoid of patriotism, capitalism, and full of distributed wealth (and as a result Communism, poverty and crime)? If given a choice would you likee that scenario? Not like that's where it's headed or anything, not like you'd see it coming.

      November 1, 2011 at 11:10 am |
    • hippypoet

      @ Willis – "Another part that embraced the atheism and white-guilt and the desire to become a melting pot devoid of patriotism, capitalism, and full of distributed wealth (and as a result Communism, poverty and crime)?" that is an interesting way to put it... First yes, i am an american...however i am not from canada or mexico or panama... i am a citizen of the United States... and we already split up into two groups, having very similar states of mind as your comment, all but the lack of patriotism and redistribution of wealth... you folks were left with the traditions of the country, slavery, hatred, white power... all good stuff right? We, the north, won! haha... time to more on. Now as far as your statement of celebration, i celebrate two days – St. Patrick's day – not reason but to drink, and new years – as it is the day of rebirth, to start anew, to reflect on past events, to collect what thoughts and people matter to you and give THANKS that they are still here, while saying goodbye to those who you have lost in the last year. Oh and whats white-guilt, i am white and i feel none.. is that wrong? i have no issues with mommy or daddy... i do however find that those that bring up such things are the ones with the real issues thou – its called projecting. you seem to do that. I am sorry that you don't care for the origins of truth and why one does what one does but hey, as you said, tradition is what matters, why question that – SO LETS GO SACRIFICE SOME GOATS.... GET SOME SLAVES.... AND THEN BEAT OUT WOMEN.. sound good to you? or would you like a little change from that... cause i can go deeper into human history and pull out some GREAT traditions.... anyone for having kids with their sister? no, too bad, the royal line must keep going! king tut to the victorian age, before tut and after victoria! OR HOW ABOUT WHEN PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WAS BEST TO SLEEP SITTING UP!

      November 1, 2011 at 11:27 am |
    • Willis

      HippyPoet you may enjoy your traditions, limited as they seem to be. And I will enjoy mine. And as you veer way off base and suggest traditions should include Beating women and sacrificing some goats, it just leads me to believe you're missing the point. But so be it, read into it as you must. And it is not "projecting" if I suggest many with such a negative and narrow view of conservative American traditions might have mommy and daddy issues. It's more like "in my experience with other people that is in fact the case". Now it doesn't always have to be the case, but more often it is, where skewed world views are a result of displinarian parents, whether in an overbearing manner or not. That lifelong rebelilion, if you will. Devotion to self. Enjoy St. pats Day and all its libation. I know many a Christian who does that too. And their other "traditions" aren't in any way hindering to one another. It's possible to have a global mind, yet embrace traditions and holidays that inevitably will always divide you from other large groups. If America veers from that, then America ceases. Unless people really want that to happen. I suppose there are those who do. A free America allows for all these opinions. The current track were on will see all or most of this suppressed.

      November 1, 2011 at 12:29 pm |
    • hippypoet

      well willis, if we agree on anything its that our country is falling apart, i think this for different reasons but i have been saying this now since i was in high school.... i gave us near 50 years then, now i'd say closer to 20 years before we enter a new age for the U.S. of A.

      i have said that we will split up and be ran by either regional powers or by the state level governments... that is until we either get re-united or enter a war on state level to increase a regions power. No worries. OH and just so you know, its tradition that traditions change with time, knowledge, and experience.

      November 1, 2011 at 12:42 pm |
    • John Richardson

      @Willis It's not self hate or even guilt. It's simply adopting a broader perspective and trying to understand why many other people don't think that a lot of the things Americans celebrate are actually worthy of celebration.

      But seriously, the puritans of old Massachusetts sucked so much that they had to be renamed pilgrims to make Thanksgiving even palatable. They were wretched to other Europeans, each other and ultimately to themselves with their twisted theological brooding over damnation. The only thing worth celebrating about them is that their movement is largely extinct.

      November 1, 2011 at 5:06 pm |
    • mendrys

      How can you take a story that is about how Pagan's celebrate Halloween differently than others into something about white guilt and thanksgiving? The article does not disparage in any way those who celebrate Halloween "traditionally". Even more when youi say "This is headline news CNN? This takes up the top banner of your ever-eroding web site?.....Predictable. Drivel. Offended I am even as a liberal. Fox News is not my cup of tea, but I know at least I can get relevant, important news from that site." did you notice that this story was in the Belief blog section. is there a more appropriate section? Did you also notice some of the stories on Fox's main page, "Kim Marriage Publicity Stunt?", "Shortest Celeb Marriages" and "UFO at NFL Game? Camera Captures Object". True enough there were plenty of "newsworthy" articles too but did you see fit to post on their site "Is a story about short celeb weddings really news?"

      You seem to to be projecting as HippyPoet is suggesting. Just relax, it is possible to remember the past accurately, warts and all, without being overwhelmed with guilt.

      November 1, 2011 at 5:56 pm |
    • Free

      Willis
      "Liberty is sometimes ugly."
      No one can go back and undo what has been done, but it does bear remembering that there is a mythological 'history' of America that ignores all of the greed that built this country at the expense of others, and it's best not to confuse it with our real history, yes?

      November 1, 2011 at 6:45 pm |
  3. Rainer Braendlein

    666

    Primary note:

    In order to understand the issue, we must first get to know the difference between the Roman Empire (27 B. C. to 476 a. D.) and the Holy Roman Empire (800 a. D. to 1806 a. D.). Although the names of the two Empires sound very similar, they are two totally different things. The Roman Empire knew no mixture of state and Church. Merely, beginning with emperor Constantine, the Church got gradually protected by the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire declined in 476 a. D.. Papacy was established 607 a. D.. In the course of time the power of the popes increased and thus 800 a. D. the Frankish king Charles the Great was crowned emperor by the pope. By this coronation the Roman Empire resurrected and was now called Holy Roman Empire. The Center of the Holy Roman Empire was not Italy, but Germany. Hence, the Roman Empire or Holy Roman Empire is the Beast (including it’s head, the Wicked or Arch-Blasphemer) of Revelation, Chapter 17.

    Why do we call the Middle Ages dark age sometimes?

    What made life so unpleasant during the dark age?

    There are two reasons: The impact of the pope and the impact of the Muslims (the Muslim Arabs (Saracens) and the Muslim Turks).

    Here, I will focus on the influence of wicked papacy:

    After Gregory the Great (the last good pope, lifetime 540-604 a. D.) the wicked papacy was established by the criminal emperor Phocas (emperor of the Eastern Roman Empire or Byzantium, reign 602-610 a. D.). Phocas made the Roman See the highest on earth, which was a crime, because God refuses a visible head of the whole Church. Jesus Christ shall be the head of the whole Church.

    After wicked (papacy is wicked, because God doesn’t want any See to be the highest one on earth) papacy was established, the papal office corrupted more and more in the course of time. After a while the popes not only presumed to be the bishops of all bishops, but they even claimed to be higher than the emperor or any king. This development peaked in the papal docu-ment Dictatus Papae (by Pope Gregory VII, lifetime 1020-1085), which declared that the pope was higher than the emperor. According to the demands of the docu-ment Dictatus Papae, Gregory VII indeed deposed emperor Henry IV (emperor of the Holy Roman Empire) at a Lenten synod on February 14, 1076 a. D..

    From 1076 onward the Roman-German emperors (emperors of the Holy Roman Empire) were subordinated to the pope.

    Now hang on to your hat: For 666 years the Pope was the Super-Emperor of the whole world up to 1742 a. D., when the Holy Roman Empire (center: Germany) got an secular emperor again (Emperor Karl VII, who got crowned emperor on February 12, 1742 a. D.) One of the darkest periods of history lasted 666 years. Seemingly this number 666 is identic to the Number of the Beast 666, which is mentioned in the Revelation.

    Free Churches should stop to mind about the meaning of 666.

    From 1076 to 1742 a beast ruled the world. 666 years long the world was tortured by a beast.

    God prevent us from a further papal rule. It is yet enough that he rules his club of predators (child abuse).

    November 1, 2011 at 10:02 am |
    • Free

      Sounds like a Dan Brown novel. :-)

      November 1, 2011 at 10:21 am |
    • John Richardson

      The dark ages were dark because of christianity. The pope was just one small detail.

      November 1, 2011 at 10:46 am |
    • Bork

      Rainer, enough with the rambling posts already. No one needs to read that much more about your idiotic religious delusions.

      November 1, 2011 at 10:48 am |
    • Free

      John Richardson
      Actually, the dark ages weren't nearly as 'dark' as they are popularly imagined. Perhaps the Renaissance just makes that era look comparatively dark? You can play Harry Turtledove and speculate an advanced European civilization developing in the absence of Christianity, but that would be just pure speculation, right?

      November 1, 2011 at 6:31 pm |
  4. mendrys

    As a secular Christian, in that I believe in the life and teachings of Jesus but do not belong to any denomination and do not believe that my belief is the only true way, with a pagan wife I can easily understand why paganism is growing. All my life I was inundated with ideas that if I didn't believe without question all of the edicts that were thrown at me then the all loving, caring God would, in a fit of rage and jealousy, have me to burn for eternity.

    November 1, 2011 at 9:58 am |
    • Free

      I take it that, as a secular Christian, you do not believe that Jesus was divine?

      November 1, 2011 at 10:18 am |
  5. Michael

    I am amazed at horrible piece of reporting. First of all, you claim that paganism is "one of the fastest growing religions in the world", yet excuse away backing that up with true numbers. Ancestor worship is nothing new to those of us who live in Latin America, as the central theme of remebering the dead, preparing them food and even altars is common on "El Dia de Los Muertos", yet you brush right by that fact to back up your assertion that paganism is gaining traction. I stopped reading when you said that traditional religion is in conflict with nature. Where did you draw that from? The Bible talks of respect for and harmony with God's creation. In fact, the law of Moses called for crop rotation techniques that would allow land to recover even in an intense agricultural society. Get your facts straight and then come back and write again. Shame on you and the editor that let this run.

    November 1, 2011 at 9:56 am |
    • Free

      In what way are crop rotation techniques, which are part of industrialized agriculture, a way of respecting and in harmony with God's creation, the natural world?

      November 1, 2011 at 10:31 am |
    • mendrys

      How can you take a story that is about how Pagan's celebrate Halloween differently than others into something about white guilt and thanksgiving? The article does not disparage in any way those who celebrate Halloween "traditionally". Even more when youi say "This is headline news CNN? This takes up the top banner of your ever-eroding web site?.....Predictable. Drivel. Offended I am even as a liberal. Fox News is not my cup of tea, but I know at least I can get relevant, important news from that site." did you notice that this story was in the Belief blog section. is there a more appropriate section? Did you also notice some of the stories on Fox's main page, "Kim Marriage Publicity Stunt?", "Shortest Celeb Marriages" and "UFO at NFL Game? Camera Captures Object". True enough there were plenty of "newsworthy" articles too but did you see fit to post on their site "Is a story about short celeb weddings really news?"

      You seem to to be projecting as HippyPoet is suggesting. Just relax, it is possible to remember the past accurately, warts and all, without being overwhelmed with guilt.

      November 1, 2011 at 2:45 pm |
    • mendrys

      My earlier reply was to an earlier post, not this one.

      November 1, 2011 at 5:55 pm |
  6. Elizadeath

    Alien Orifice is cracking me up.

    Also as a trve kvlt pagan I celebreate on the first full moon when the sun is in Scorpio, beacuse... down with non-lunar calendars! Yeah.

    November 1, 2011 at 9:56 am |
    • Tonto Goldstein

      From someone who is astrologically minded- you go girl! (notice how the word' astrologically' has the word 'logic' in it?)

      November 1, 2011 at 10:26 am |
  7. Rainer Braendlein

    The Throne of Satan (now located in Berlin/Germany)

    Revelation 2:12-13: "Pergamos, where Satan's Throne is"

    History

    The Pergamon Altar is a massive structure originally built in the 2nd century BC in the Ancient Greek city of Pergamon (today Bergama in Turkey). The temple was dedicated to the greek god Zeus. The Pergamon Altar was shipped out of the Ottoman Empire from the original excavation site by the German archeological team lead by Carl Humann, and reconstructed in the Pergamon Museum in Berlin in the 19th century, where it can be seen alongside other monumental structures such as the Ishtar Gate from Babylon.

    "Since the deified Augustus had not opposed the founding at Pergamus a temple to himself and the city of Rome." – Tacitus Annals Roman Historian

    Was there a real satanic person, which was adored in Pergamon? Answer: Yes, it was the Roman Emperor Domitian (after Domitian's death the Roman senate made a law that all inscriptions, reminding of Domitian, had to be destroyed, because he had been such a nasty monster)

    The Book of Revelation was probably drafted, when Domitian (51-96 a. D.) was Emperor of the Roman Empire. John, the originator of the Revelation, mentions the Throne of Satan in Pergamon (today Bergama in Turkey).

    The successors of Domitian Trajan and Hadrian were worshipped like the pagan god Zeus (Jupiter in Roman language). That can be proved by historical science. Possibly also Domitian, who lived a little earlier than Trajan, had yet been worshipped by the pagan Greeks and Romans like Zeus or Jupiter.

    A lot of Christians were murdered by Domitian, because the refused to adore him as a God. Thus, Domitian was obsessed by Satan himself. The famous ancient city of Pergamon was a center of pagan adoration of Zeus or the Roman Emperor. Hence, John had to praise the Christian Romans and Greeks of Pergamon that they had not adored Zeus or the Emperor or Satan like their pagan fellow citizens. The Christians of Pergamon kept their faith and adored Jesus Christ as Lord and God:

    Revelation 2:

    12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; 13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

    November 1, 2011 at 9:39 am |
    • hippypoet

      why do you keep calling it the throne of satan....first- it implies that the dude satan once sat in it as a ruler of something and second – why are you posing an argument as silly as because it was a non christian god temple it was evil and therefore had to do with satan? And the book of revalations, sry, i can't spell, states the mark of the beast will be the numbers 666, by the jewish usage of numbers which also mean words at the same time – your emperor is wrong, it was Nero! do your research!

      November 1, 2011 at 9:45 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      @hippypoet

      According to the German reformer Dr. Martin Luther the number 666 means a period of time of 666 years. This was the time, when the Roman pope was not solely head of the Roman Catholic Church, but even head of Europe (for 666 years the pope was higher than the secular emperor). This was the darkest time of mankind (for example during this time the crusades took place).

      November 1, 2011 at 9:53 am |
    • hippypoet

      ok right, martin wasn't jewish and didn't use hebrew when making his statments... how can such statements be made from a hebrew text without using hebrew to figure what it may mean... and again, the hebrew language was like most ancient languages numbers and words are the same symbols – and so each number has a word meaning also.

      November 1, 2011 at 10:05 am |
    • Free

      Rainer Braendlein
      Do you see any relation between the elevation of emperors to the status of gods and the elevation of Jesus to the status of God? After all, it was the same pagan gentile sensibility that was responsible for both, right?

      November 1, 2011 at 10:13 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      @hippypoet

      The Revelation is that arcane that its connections can be understood solely in retrospect, after the predicted historical events have yet took place.

      One thing of the Revelation is extremly interesting. The Revelation predicts that once the Beast (community of secular states)will desert the Who-re (Roman Catholic Church). Last summer we have experienced protests against the Holy Father in Germany and even in Spain, which was the most catholic country of the world for a long time. 20 years ago it had been unimaginable that young people of Spain protest against the pope, but now it happened. Are we about to abandon the Who-re?

      November 1, 2011 at 10:20 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      God, the Son, Jesus Christ proved his divine sonship by the miracles, which he performed. Still after the apostolic age, when the last apostle had died, the Roman Empire or civilized world were aware of Jesus' miracles, because there still lived a lot of people in Palestine, which had been cured by Jesus.

      I am reading the chronography of George Synkellus, who was a famous historian of the Easter Roman Empire Byzantium. He reports of a certain Christian Quadratus, who had been a disciple of the apostles and sent a letter to the Roman Emperor Hadrian. He told him that there were still a lot of people, which could witness that they had been cured by Jesus, the Son of God. Hadrian reigned from 117 to 138 a. D., shortly after the apostolic age. Thus, the report of George Synkellus is the connection between the time of the apostles and the time of the Christian Church.

      November 1, 2011 at 10:33 am |
    • hippypoet

      look, in truth...no one can truly grasp at the full meaning of those books unless they themselves are those who wrote it. The numbers 666 are an exact fit to the full name of the emperor nero, and the books can be dated to that time period... so this is just a deduction but it is a widely accecpted view by most historians and scholars of the bible. Your view is one of a fitting nature, you see a time in history that fits some of what is in the book and then claim the prophecy is taking place now...like the end times last week – yeah cause we are all dead right now! I look at historic evidence and timeline, with the understandings of those alive at the time of origin...in this case – shortly after the life of jesus but after the revolt of the jews which brought the destruction of the 2nd temple. fits perfectly with nero as the anti christ in the eyes of those who were being killed by him as scape goats for the fire that burnt rome! as nero fiddled some say!

      November 1, 2011 at 10:42 am |
    • Bork

      Prove that any miracle has ever happened by divine cause, ever. So far, no one has.

      For that matter, how come your god can't produce a modern miracle? He hasn't apparently done anything for 2000 years (f ever).

      The reason is that your religion is fiction. Time to leave your fairy tales behind.

      November 1, 2011 at 10:44 am |
    • Bork

      Rainer, Prove that any miracle has ever happened by divine cause, ever. So far, no one has.

      For that matter, how come your god can't produce a modern miracle? He hasn't apparently done anything for 2000 years (if ever).

      The reason is that your religion is fiction. Time to leave your fairy tales behind.

      November 1, 2011 at 10:45 am |
    • Free

      Rainer Braendlein
      "God, the Son, Jesus Christ proved his divine sonship by the miracles, which he performed."
      The Emperor Vespasian is also credited with having performed miracles. Do they prove his divine sonship as well?

      Didn't George Syncellus live in the 800s? How is his second or third hand accounts in any way reliable?

      November 1, 2011 at 6:22 pm |
  8. wckdslvr

    I am a pagan and have practiced for many years. I live my life by the witches creed which is to all Christians is the Golden Rule (Do unto others as you would have them do unto you). I have yet to meet someone claiming to be a christian who follows this one simple rule. I as a pagan would never dare tell someone thier beliefs were wrong, yet I am told that I will go to hell (which is a chritian invention as is satan) which I don't belief in nor would I want to it has always baffled me how one could do evil thier entire lifes and repent on the last day and never have to pay the consequences. I do ot trust christians nor any who profess to be one, tell me you are a witch and I know the creed that they live by and thier actions will prove it.

    November 1, 2011 at 9:25 am |
  9. Anakaraya

    ahh I was waiting for the arguments to start :) Let the ignorant fight begin!!

    November 1, 2011 at 8:05 am |
  10. b4bigbang

    Britain reckognized Paganism just last year? I heard that Britain reckognized the Jedi "religion" years ago but only Paganism only last year?!

    November 1, 2011 at 1:54 am |
    • Alien Orifice

      If you don't chat with me I have to watch a movie on Netflix and down some more Tequila. Save Me!

      November 1, 2011 at 1:57 am |
    • Alien Orifice

      How does one "recognize" Paganism. It has been around since Hector was a pup. A movie theme is a religion? I am already lost.

      November 1, 2011 at 2:00 am |
    • Alien Orifice

      Maybe you should go back to playing "My Little Pony" and leave the blogs for the grown ups.

      November 1, 2011 at 2:01 am |
  11. b4bigbang

    Hey, wha happeded to my post?

    November 1, 2011 at 1:44 am |
    • Helpful Hints

      b4 - probably ran afoul of the automatic word filter...

      Bad letter combinations / words to avoid if you want to get past the CNN automatic filter:
      Many, if not most, are buried within other words, so use your imagination.
      You can use dashes, spaces, or other characters to modify the "offending" letter combinations.
      ---
      ar-se.....as in ar-senic.
      co-ck.....as in co-ckatiel, co-ckatrice, co-ckleshell, co-ckles, etc.
      co-on.....as in rac-oon, coc-oon, etc.
      cu-m......as in doc-ument, accu-mulate, circu-mnavigate, circu-mstances, cu-mbersome, cuc-umber, etc.
      cu-nt.....as in Scu-ntthorpe, a city in the UK famous for having problems with filters...!
      ef-fing...as in ef-fing filter
      ft-w......as in soft-ware, delft-ware, swift-water, drift-wood, etc.
      ho-mo.....as in ho-mo sapiens or ho-mose-xual, ho-mogenous, etc.
      ho-rny....as in tho-rny, etc.
      jacka-ss...yet "ass" is allowed by itself.....
      ja-p......as in j-apanese, ja-pan, j-ape, etc.
      koo-ch....as in koo-chie koo..!
      nip-ple
      o-rgy….as in po-rgy, zo-rgy, etc.
      pi-s......as in pi-stol, lapi-s, pi-ssed, therapi-st, etc.
      p-orn… as in p-ornography
      pr-ick....as in pri-ckling, pri-ckles, etc.
      que-er
      ra-pe.....as in scra-pe, tra-peze, gr-ape, thera-peutic, sara-pe, etc.
      se-x......as in Ess-ex, s-exual, etc.
      sh-@t.....but shat is okay – don't use the @ symbol there.
      sl-ut
      sn-atch
      sp-ic.....as in disp-icable, hosp-ice, consp-icuous, susp-icious, sp-icule, sp-ice, etc.
      sp-oon
      strip-per
      ti-t......as in const-itution, att-itude, ent-ities, alt-itude, beat-itude, etc.
      tw-at.....as in wristw-atch, nightw-atchman, etc.
      va-g......as in extrava-gant, va-gina, va-grant, va-gue, sava-ge, etc.
      who-re....as in who're you kidding / don't forget to put in that apostrophe!
      wt-f....also!!!!!!!
      -
      There are more, some of them considered "racist", so do not assume that this list is complete.

      November 1, 2011 at 1:49 am |
    • Helpful Hints

      p.s. and, considering the season... sp-ook and sp-ooky too

      November 1, 2011 at 1:51 am |
    • Alien Orifice

      I love newbs.

      Be sure to copy and paste the Helpful Hints into Word or Notepad. That is what I had to do. LOL

      November 1, 2011 at 1:53 am |
    • Alien Orifice

      @b4bigbang
      What is your post? I am bored, let's chat. I like your handle.

      November 1, 2011 at 1:55 am |
  12. Mohammad

    Allah Akbar! Jews, Catholics and Muslims honor the One true GOD! The LORD of Abraham, Ishmael, and Issac.
    Destruction and hellfire await the People of the Book who will not honor the covenant (supernatural contract) of El Shaddai . No idolatry- period! Paganism (idolatry) always devalues human life and leads to human sacrifice (abortion). In countries under sharia there are no abortions! Human life is sacred.
    By the mouth of the LORD: Torah/shariah- DU 13:13 "If you hear in one of your cities, which the LORD your God is giving you to dwell there, that certain worthless fellows have gone out among you and have drawn away the inhabitants of their city, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods,' which you have not known, then you shall inquire and make search and ask diligently. And behold, if it be true and certain that such an abomination has been done among you, you shall surely put the inhabitants of that city to the sword, devoting it to destruction, all who are in it and its cattle, with the edge of the sword. You shall gather all its spoil into the midst of its open square and burn the city and all its spoil with fire, as a whole burnt offering to the LORD your God. It shall be a heap forever. It shall not be built again. None of the devoted things shall stick to your hand, that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger and show you mercy and have compassion on you and multiply you, as he swore to your fathers, if you obey the voice of the LORD your God, keeping all his commandments that I am commanding you today, and doing what is right in the sight of the LORD your God."
    Apostasy is fatal. Apostasy requires destruction. Islam is knocking on your front door-wake up! Time to repent America and Europe.
    Holy Quran Surah 9:5
    "And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."

    BTW- Muslims have all the oil-so we get all your money, over $1 billion USD per day! The west is dying, only 1.2 births per family. Muslims have 8.5 children per family. Muslims will own this planet in 100 years. Keep on killing your children and buying pet food, kafir/kofar.
    Allah Akbar! Alhamdudela! Hallelujah!

    November 1, 2011 at 1:31 am |
    • Alien Orifice

      @Mo-HOM-id
      Isn't it like, some kind of sin or something to impersonate Mo Mo? Anyway, Fuk him and all his teachings. But thanks for all the death and terror though! That's is awesome. Freaks.

      November 1, 2011 at 1:39 am |
    • Mohammad

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcgkOQsyJcs&w=640&h=390]

      November 1, 2011 at 2:50 am |
    • tallulah13

      Again with the Admiral Akbar. It's okay. The Death Star has been destroyed. You can go party with the Ewoks.

      November 1, 2011 at 2:52 am |
    • Anakaraya

      I am truly trying to understand: how do you know that the Quran, Bible, and Torah is correct? its just a book! How do you know for sure that they are truly the word of god? That is one of the biggest reasons I am skeptical of Monotheistic religions.

      November 1, 2011 at 8:07 am |
    • mendrys

      It's funny that you would cite Sharia law while denouncing paganism. Certainly there have been more people murdered in the name of the Abrahamic relicgions than any other. Just as certain you are a troll trying to discredit Islam with your words.

      November 1, 2011 at 9:46 am |
  13. md2205

    Just because something is natural doesn't mean it is meant to be tapped into. People should not tap into the dark energies just because they are there. It is our job to increase goodness and light in the world and reject anything else. Nature is an expression of the Divine. However, there is much more to the Divine besides nature, and there is a problem with any religion that does not acknowledge that. G-dliness includes nature as one expression, and response to man's actions, personal and collective, as another, but neither of these are the totality of His expression. G-d created nature and stands above it, ready to go above it when He wants to to help a person realize He is there for the person or when He wants to influence some occurrence in the world. That is one reason why we pray; as an acknowledgment of our awareness that He is there for us and that He can change something that we desire for our benefit, if He wants to do so. Remember that whatever He does is for our benefit. There are seven laws that all mankind must follow, and these are what will create the better world we all wish for. To believe in One G-d, not to blaspheme Him, not to murder, not to steal and kidnap, not to do adultery, not to eat the limb of a living animal (animal cruelty) and to set up effective courts of justice that will enforce these laws. We also must not draw on the dark forces of nature but pray directly to G-d Himself and request our needs directly from Him, and thank Him for what He gives us. And do what He wants, which I explained above. This will usher in the time of the Messiah, which we are all waiting for.

    November 1, 2011 at 12:49 am |
    • Alien Orifice

      @md2205
      I stopped reading after I got to "It is our job to increase goodness and light in the world " I agree. Therefore, do us all a favor and go away you ignorant dweeb.

      November 1, 2011 at 12:57 am |
    • Sheik Yerbouti

      And another thing, I can't believe Rivers fumbled the ball away when the Chargers had the game won. Unvbeliev.......oh wait, sorry, wrong blog.

      November 1, 2011 at 1:14 am |
    • Mirosal

      you said ... "and to set up effective courts of justice that will enforce these laws" So you WANT a prejudiced, bigoted, one-sided theocratic court to determine what is right and what is wrong? Is this "god" of yours going to sit on the bench and deliver verdicts and sentences? Or will it jusdt be a corrupt person who THINKS he or she knows what "god" wants? Before you want to establish that kind of "justice", cast your eyes ti the east, and see what those countries' courts do to people they consider not of their "faith"

      November 1, 2011 at 3:22 am |
    • cosmicsnoop

      Whatever. I disagree with all you said.

      November 1, 2011 at 7:10 am |
    • XtianNation

      Amen brother!!!! You are Truly wise and full of goodness!!!! You are a Great Christian!!!!!

      November 1, 2011 at 8:42 am |
    • hippypoet

      @ XtianNation, so what is a great christian? i am very curious. And how is believing in the natural world like "tapping into dark energies" ... that makes no sense – you, me, us, humans are animals – they are getting closer to where we used to live and how we once survived... they will learn while you will think you know. AND many of them are christians themselves – not the smart ones, but a few.

      November 1, 2011 at 9:01 am |
    • hippypoet

      @md2205 – your an idiot!
      " pray directly to G-d Himself and request our needs directly from Him"
      ok so don't go to work, pay bills, clean..basically don't do anything anymore, just ask god for your needs and let the non existent creation of man help you out. i'm sure you will be fine.

      November 1, 2011 at 9:05 am |
    • Theodyn

      Witches... causing Christians to cower and hide in fear since 1692. ;)

      November 1, 2011 at 10:40 am |
    • Einstürzende Neubauten

      @XtianNation
      I thought I dragged your sorry a-ss to HELL already! Guess not cuz I had to eat alone since you never told me you wanted for dinner. BBQ is always good where I come from.

      November 1, 2011 at 2:54 pm |
  14. LIEberals LIE

    This is insanity!!!!! The devil has TRULY worked his charm on you Pagans!!!!!! Making altars with skulls on them, dancing around naked, having no morality rebelling against the One True God, Creator of everything in the universe!!!!! How dare you?!? Have you no shame?!? Or do you just think it makes you "cool"?!? Well I'd rather be a "square" in heaven than a "hip" guy in hell!!!!

    October 31, 2011 at 11:40 pm |
    • Sheik Yerbouti

      Naked dancing?? I am IN brother! Jesus suks, long live ti-tties and beer!!

      November 1, 2011 at 12:37 am |
    • Sheik Yerbouti

      Oh yes to answer your question, I am quite sure not being a complete moron (you) makes me "cool" and "hip" yeah baby yeah.

      Also, what is a "LIEberal" and what does it have to do with this post?

      November 1, 2011 at 12:40 am |
    • Alien Orifice

      Dang it X-person thing, I already told you!

      You are the worst kind of person, an evangelist and a missionary. I HATE missionaries. I could give a r-ats ass what you believe. I don't mind talking about it, but you cross the line when you start telling ME what I should do and believe. Now you are just being a dik and you can fuk yourself.

      Amen

      November 1, 2011 at 12:54 am |
    • EnjaySea

      Do your religious beliefs make you hostile in this way? I think you shop around for a new faith.

      November 1, 2011 at 1:11 am |
    • Alien Orifice

      @EnjaySea

      Who are you talking to?

      November 1, 2011 at 1:16 am |
    • Alien Orifice

      EnjaySea?

      I will happily answer your question but I don't if you are talking to me or the Sheik. Why can't you just tell me? Perhaps because you are frightened of conversation because you are too stupid to carry on an intelligent banter with another person who does not believe as you do?

      November 1, 2011 at 1:24 am |
    • tallulah13

      Lie, berals! Lie:

      They have medication for your condition. And what's a beral?

      November 1, 2011 at 1:54 am |
    • Rick

      One true God? You are a pompous ass for claiming to know this.

      November 1, 2011 at 4:05 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @LIEberals LIE
      "This is insanity!!!!!"

      Did you happen to read what you wrote? The only insane thing here is you and your beliefs!

      November 1, 2011 at 4:50 am |
    • Mirosal

      Actually, you'll be neither hip nor square. You'll be rec-tang-ular. As will any of us who will be buried after death. You won't see a "Celestial Kingdom" of any kind, no vir-gins waiting for you, no pearly gates, no book with your name on it, simply because your "god" is no different than Zeus Apollo, Thor, Isis, et. al. You'll readily admit THOSE "gods" are not and never were real, so why should we think that this new modern "god" of yours is ANY different. In time, your god will also pass into its rightful place, that of the realm of mythology.

      November 1, 2011 at 5:29 am |
    • Black Feather

      More damage has been done to me at the hands of Christians in the name of their religion than any other. Your God is only one of many, and not one that I would wish to follow–at least not in the respect you do. Vengeful? Jealous? Angry? Came to a virgin–had a baby with her? He sounds like the Greek myths that your religion of modern day copied.

      November 1, 2011 at 5:41 am |
    • Anakaraya

      "No Morality" ? Where did you get that from?? o_O

      November 1, 2011 at 8:08 am |
    • sequoia

      At least we don't base our entire lives off absurd ancient Middle Eastern fairy tales and myths. You people with your imaginary "God" are such a joke.

      November 1, 2011 at 8:23 am |
    • Heathen in NC

      Thank you, LIEberals LIE, for proving to me that I was right to run screaming from Christianity and turn back to the beliefs of my heathen ancestors. May Odin bless you.

      November 1, 2011 at 10:36 am |
    • Theodyn

      You, my friend... are a hateful, biggotted idiot. And you have my pity. What a sorry, pitiful excuse for a life you must have.

      November 1, 2011 at 10:44 am |
    • John Richardson

      @LL Alas, you are going to be a square peg stuffed into a tiny round hole for all eternity in hell. God just told me and don't you dare say that god lies!

      November 1, 2011 at 10:54 am |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      You guys, this tool is just XtianNation under a different name – note the same number of exclamation points!!!! After every sentence!!!! Oh, and the dose of crazy attached. That was a dead giveaway, too.

      November 1, 2011 at 4:12 pm |
  15. Mohammad

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpM6QKaAgP0&w=640&h=390]

    October 31, 2011 at 11:26 pm |
    • Alien Orifice

      An actual photo of Mohammad:

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      0

      November 1, 2011 at 1:18 am |
  16. Heather

    Excuse me, "Most educated people" realize that Christian holidays have pagan roots "but not too many Christians?" What most ignorant, arrogant people don't realize is, most Christians DO realize this. As both an educated person and a Christian, I believe in embracing the knowledge that everyone has their own set of beliefs, religion or perhaps a lack of, ect., without berating those whose beliefs differ from my own.

    October 31, 2011 at 10:30 pm |
    • Tonio

      If you are still a question after your education, then the quality of your education is suspect.

      Fairy tales such as Christianity should only be presented as such.

      But Happy Halloween, beotch.

      October 31, 2011 at 11:01 pm |
    • Tonio

      If you are still a Christian after your education, then the quality of your education is suspect.

      Fairy tales such as Christianity should only be presented as such.

      But Happy Halloween, beotch.

      October 31, 2011 at 11:02 pm |
    • ProBro

      Well then Heather, I would account you as one of the minority "Enlightened" Christians that has a true understanding of Christ's teachings. Many would depict Christ as this, or that. Which, is well, understood, and respected. Personally, I see him as a great teacher and Shaman (Spiritual Leader) who should be studied and respected. However, as a pagan, I do not see him as the "sole" son of god as I feel we are ALL sons and daughters of the lord and lady.

      Bright Blessings and Happy Hollows..

      ProBro

      October 31, 2011 at 11:09 pm |
    • LIEberals LIE

      You are not a real Christian!!! We are commanded to convert all of the nations of the world to Christianity!!! We are called to positions of power to bring people to Christ and implement Biblical Holy Law!!!! We are meant to have dominion over God's creation!!!! We are NOT supposed to encourage false beliefs!!!! We shouldn't persecute other people either and in fact should help them, but that doesn't mean we have to tolerate their beliefs!!!! No, we are SUPPOSED to tell them about Jesus so that hey may achieve salvation through Him!!!! THAT is true love!!!! You wouldn't let a drug addict continue to kill himself with drugs, why would you let a man continue a path to hell?!??

      October 31, 2011 at 11:47 pm |
    • Sheik Yerbouti

      @LIEberals LIE

      Don't you criticize Heather mister. I won't have it, not one bit. One of your own is demonstrating a certain amount of intelligence and you are just tearing your religion back down again. If you were so impossible hilarious, I would feel sorry for Heather.

      Ohhh look at me, I am a little devil with with my little devil horns and pointy tail!

      November 1, 2011 at 12:44 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @LIEberals LIE: You are quite the hypocrite! No god has ever spoken because no god exists. You are not capable of doing anything in the name of fiction and please don't try to threaten people with he.ll....it doesn't exist and you sound stupid but then again you are stupid for believing in such garbage.

      November 1, 2011 at 4:53 am |
    • Free

      Heather
      "What most ignorant, arrogant people don't realize is, most Christians DO realize this."
      But I guess we can't count all the folks who complain about Christ being taken out of Christmas among them, right?

      November 1, 2011 at 6:07 pm |
  17. Mr. Widemouth

    Have No Fear of God? http://www.squidoo.com/fear-of-god

    October 31, 2011 at 10:20 pm |
    • tallulah13

      I fear lame christian videos more than I fear their imaginary friend.

      October 31, 2011 at 11:17 pm |
    • Sheik Yerbouti

      You got that right Tally. YAWN. Church, YAWN. Preachers, YAWN. Christians YAWN! Muslims, YAWN! I could go on.

      November 1, 2011 at 12:46 am |
    • Rick

      Fear of god = slave

      November 1, 2011 at 4:10 am |
    • Richard

      Ok, I bit. What a bunch of guano, you people will never dig yourselves out of the stone age as long as you believe this stuff. The churches are counting on it because they are one of the biggest business on the planet. They sell you a myth and you pay for it in real money. If what they sell you is defective no one will know.

      November 1, 2011 at 10:38 am |
  18. Jean

    How many people realize that many of the rituals and holidays in Christian churches have pagan roots? Who would have guessed? What better way to gain converts than to allow them to keep some pagan practices.

    October 31, 2011 at 9:04 pm |
    • Alien Orifice

      Oh I think most educated people. But not too many Christians.

      October 31, 2011 at 9:10 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      What's the surprise? satan was there from the beginning! He knows human nature, he knows how to get human attention. He also has (a limited) knowledge of the future, and uses all he's got to gain something for himself...
      Christ Jesus said that in God's field of harvest (the Church),. there will be tares, growing among the wheat. But HE knows His own, and His own KNOW HIM..
      In fact the Christendom was polluted through most of the history.... But does this make God not being who He is? No, He is the LORD, and everything that exists is in subjection to His power. But His Word declares that some things must come to pass, in order for Scriptures to be fulfilled.
      All things that have happened, are happening now, and will yet happen are not surprising.
      Scriptures foretold them thousands of years ago. So, no one needs to be boasting of their preeminence!
      Even satan himself is a "servant" of God, in the sense that God uses him to accomplish His purposes. And there is a day comming when every knee will bow, and every tongue confess that Yeshua, the Son of the Living God is the LORD, yes even satan's own knee will bow, as the last blow to his pride. There is a lot on the line for us humans here! But the wise will consider, while fools won't.

      P. S. Remember – it is God who says " the fool has said in his heart that there is no God", not I.... My word is nothing, if it comes only from me.....

      October 31, 2011 at 9:34 pm |
    • Alien Orifice

      @Prism
      What does anything in your idiotic rant have to do with Jean's post?

      October 31, 2011 at 9:37 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      - – -

      October 31, 2011 at 9:40 pm |
    • Tonio

      prism got flatlined.

      October 31, 2011 at 11:03 pm |
    • Alien Orifice

      Did I kill Prism? Sorry!

      November 1, 2011 at 1:02 am |
    • John Hathorne

      We are still keeping tabs on you, PRISM. Watch out for "The Crucible"...

      November 1, 2011 at 1:56 am |
    • Rick

      man said that, prism, not god. but, feel free to bloviate some some more

      November 1, 2011 at 4:11 am |
    • Free

      PRISM 1234
      Ah, so the Romans and the Catholic Church polluted Christianity then? Have you ever considered where Christianity would be had the Romans and the RCC not spread it throughout Europe? Just a few small groups in the Middle East, like the Coptics in Egypt? Without the Catholics there would have been no Reformation, no Evangelicals, no Baptists. Europe would have remained pagan, and America would have been settled by pagans celebrating Halloween, Christmas and Easter as it was originally intended, before Christians polluted those holidays.

      Also, back in Paul's time, before science was able to offer actual explanations for natural events, anyone claiming that there was no God (or other gods) wouldn't have been able to answer what was actually controlling things, and really would have looked foolish. Nowadays, however, it's very easy to offer up scientific explanations for the way things are and not appear foolish at all. In fact, it's the exact polar opposite now, with today's fools denying scientific truth.

      November 1, 2011 at 8:29 am |
    • The Voice

      prism
      You're an idiot. Romans and Catholics have spread the religion through violence, any one that wouldn't convert was killed. Read the history my friend.

      November 1, 2011 at 10:01 am |
    • Richard

      If your God created everything, then He also created your Devil. Why so? Why does your God not destroy the Devil? Is your Devil also a God with equal power to your God? Or perhaps is it all a bunch of bull?

      November 1, 2011 at 10:16 am |
    • Richard

      @ prism " the fool has said in his heart that there is no God",
      You people crack me up! My uncle Benny wrote that about 1700 years ago as a prank for a play. Somehow an idiot copied it because it sounded good and placed it in a buy-bull.

      November 1, 2011 at 10:26 am |
    • PRISM 1234

      "prism got flatlined"....Did I kill Prism"
      No, you have just reserved this thread for a bunch of fools.
      Have yourself a merry feast! ...... Who cares!?!

      November 1, 2011 at 3:42 pm |
    • HellBent

      "the fool has said in his heart that there is no God" – god

      "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" – the wizard of Oz

      November 1, 2011 at 3:45 pm |
    • Alien Orifice

      Prism! Thank GOD you are still alive! I was worried I might go to HELL because I killed you and there I would face the DEVIL. Close call!

      November 1, 2011 at 3:53 pm |
  19. NHTK -111

    Looks like Aleister Crowley has accomplished much for his father , the devil ! This generation has swallowed it hook, line and sinker.
    He must have a special place reserved for him.....

    October 31, 2011 at 8:57 pm |
    • Alien Orifice

      ....reserved for him IN........

      October 31, 2011 at 9:07 pm |
    • Alien Orifice

      ...IN........

      October 31, 2011 at 9:11 pm |
    • Person

      Intolerance of other ideas is not something that can persist in the modern world. If you want to live in the Dark Ages, were science and foreign ideas are the Devil's work, please, spare our nation. Move to the Middle East; fundamenatalism is pretty strong there.

      October 31, 2011 at 9:12 pm |
    • Alien Orifice

      Ok, I guess I will have to finish it myself.

      .....IN Disneyland.

      October 31, 2011 at 9:13 pm |
    • Alien Orifice

      @person
      It is just as stong here.

      October 31, 2011 at 9:14 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Come on, AO, I think IN Vegas would be more likely.

      October 31, 2011 at 11:18 pm |
    • Alien Orifice

      @Tally
      I stand corrected.

      November 1, 2011 at 1:00 am |
    • NHTK - 111

      If you want to live in the Dark Ages...
      Oh, please! You're not suggesting that we live in "Light Ages", are you? Set science aside...we're not talking about IT now.... it's the heathenism of today's godless generation we're talking about here... This "tolerance" thing has made many people into spineless human worms.....I we are never to "tolerate' what is evil!

      November 1, 2011 at 8:36 pm |
  20. Ed

    I must have the last word. I must.

    October 31, 2011 at 8:50 pm |
    • BoogieMan

      Not while I'm here you won't! Muahhh!

      October 31, 2011 at 10:13 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Do I have to turn this car around?

      October 31, 2011 at 11:19 pm |
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