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Will this year's Hajj have an ‘Arab Spring’ effect?
Tens of thousands of pilgrims perform the evening prayer at Mecca's Grand Mosque on Wednesday.
November 4th, 2011
07:57 AM ET

Will this year's Hajj have an ‘Arab Spring’ effect?

By Dan Gilgoff and Dan Merica, CNN

(CNN) – The annual pilgrimage to Mecca, Saudi Arabia, is the world's largest gathering of Muslims - the biggest annual gathering of humanity, period.

So it's no surprise that Middle East experts expect this year's pilgrimage, the first to happen since the Arab Spring began last year, to be different.

The pilgrimage, called the Hajj, happens in the same global neighborhood as countries that have been roiled by protests, revolutions and war over the last 11 months.

But there's uncertainty about exactly how this Hajj, which officially begins Friday, will be different.

Some experts are watching for potential flare-ups in Saudi Arabia, a country governed by an unelected royal family and where freedoms are limited. They note that ordinary Saudis will be rubbing shoulders with Arabs making pilgrimages from countries that have staged anti-government demonstrations and have unseated long-entrenched regimes.

"This idea of freedom and dignity is spreading like wildfire, and at a gathering like the Hajj it's conceivable that the electricity coming from these ideas will be picked up," says Akbar Ahmed, the chair of Islamic Studies at American University. "This is what scares the Saudi bureaucracy."

"There are thousands of pilgrims who want to topple the established order of the Saudi monarchy," he says.

But Ahmed and others say the Hajj's effects on the Arab Spring are just as likely to be much broader, as many pilgrims share notes on uprisings and overthrows before returning home to countries ruled by despots.

"This is a venue where you can come into contact with hundreds of thousands of people, so for people who are coming from these newly liberated lands, it is a bit much to ask to say absolutely nothing about it," says Kelly Pemberton, an assistant professor at The George Washington University who studies Islamic reform movements.

"Many people are going to see this (Arab Spring) as a sign of God's favor," she says.

At the same time, experts on the region note that the Hajj is a solemn religious event that is physically and spiritually demanding and that affords little time for politicking, raising doubts in some scholars' minds about the magnitude of a Hajj effect on the Arab Spring.

The Saudis haven't announced special security measures for this year's Hajj.

But the event, which draws roughly 2.5 million pilgrims, has long been managed with military precision, and scholars say the government there has been preparing for months for its first Arab Spring-era Hajj.

"They'll be on guard for a flashpoint moment or a riot, something that flares up and becomes something," says Ahmed, referring to Saudi security forces. "In Tunisia, one man set himself on fire and three months later the Egyptian president is toppled."

There has been political violence during the Hajj in the past, most notably in the 1980s, on the heels of the Islamic Revolution in Iran.

Iranian leader Ayatollah Khomeini's followers attempted to disrupt the pilgrimage throughout the '80s, though their plots were repeatedly quashed by Saudi security forces.

In 1987, however, Iranian pilgrims incited a riot that killed more than 400 people, according to globalsecuity.org, a stark illustration of the rift between Shiite-ruled Iran and Sunni dominated Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia has not seen the kind of protests now roiling countries like Syria, Yemen and Bahrain, but people there lack many basic freedoms. Political participation is limited.

The Saudi government has been politically sensitive to its people since the outset of the Arab Spring, spending billions on domestic programs aimed at improving the lot of its citizenry.

And scholars say that Saudi Arabia has supported anti-government forces in some Arab countries, including rebels in Libya and protestors in Syria.

"I can't image anybody is going to show up in Mecca denouncing the royal family," says Juan Cole, a Middle East specialist at the University of Michigan. "A lot of people going to Hajj will be connected with the (Egypt-based) Muslim Brotherhood, which has longstanding good relations with the Saudis."

Some experts speculate that Saudi Arabia, which tightly controls the numbers of pilgrims allowed to attend Hajj from each country, is reducing its quotas from certain politically unstable countries to curb the influence of would-be revolutionaries.

The U.S. embassies in Egypt and Tunisia, two countries that have seen their governments overthrown this year, did not immediately reply to requests Thursday for statistics on slots for pilgrims granted by Saudi Arabia.

Some scholars say the governments of other Arab countries are likely to be reducing the number of pilgrims allowed to attend Hajj in Saudi Arabia this year.

"The leaders of Syria, Yemen, Iran and Saudi Arabia are somewhat worried about the Hajj providing a forum for people to trade ideas and strategies and coming home to pick up protests and really find the momentum to get things going," says Pemberton of George Washington University.

Since late last year, some Muslim religious happenings in the Arab world have become forums for anti-government activity.

In Egypt, Friday afternoon prayers - the most significant prayers of the week for Muslims - served as catalysts for the biggest anti-government demonstrations of the revolution.

When Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak stepped down in Egypt, the announcement came on a Friday, hours after Egypt's Muslims had observed afternoon prayers.

In Libya, rebels reached a turning point in a six-month old civil during Ramadan of this year, when evening prayers at mosques helped ordinary people organize against Moammar Gadhafi's regime.

With Gadhafi dead, more Libyans may get to attend this year's Hajj than in years past. Other post-revolution Arab countries may send a more diverse mix of pilgrims.

"The biggest effect is the allocation of Hajj visas," said Asim Khwaja, a Harvard University professor specializing in international development. "Some countries did a lottery, some did rationing, and with the government changes, if countries were doing rationing in the past, you can imagine they were sending friends and officials."

"Now there may be a more egalitarian mix," Khwaja says. "This will be a more democratic Hajj for the Arab world."

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Islam

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  1. Qaiser Ali

    Your article on Mecca and Haj mentions that it is the biggest and largest human gathering on the planet.
    Let me correct you , the largest gathering is in kerbala on the chelum of Imam Hussain which is 5 times the size of haj.

    November 6, 2011 at 12:11 am |
    • mohammed ali

      yea but hajj is one of the 5 pillars and karbalalalla is not cuzzzz

      November 6, 2011 at 1:54 am |
  2. concerned4487

    Quran (2:216) – "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

    Quran (3:151) – "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"

    Quran (8:12) – "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

    Quran (9:29) – "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book(i.e. jews and christians), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

    Quran (9:30) – "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

    Quran (66:9) – "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end."

    What about the Jewish tribe at Banu Qurayza who surrenedered to Mohammed and he found it fit to slaughter the men and enslave the women and children? Lets contrast this...

    Jesus told us to love our enemies, and pray for those who persecute you! He loves each and every one of us and He proved that, "...while we were yet sinners Christ died for us." Romans 5:8

    Some other bible verses for Muslims to consider, John 14:6, John 3:16-17, Mark 14:62

    November 5, 2011 at 11:04 pm |
  3. COOL MAN

    ALLAH IS GREAT, I LOVE ALLAH.

    November 5, 2011 at 10:57 pm |
  4. Iqbal Khan

    Modern day christianity have nothing to do with Jesus!
    Jesus (Essa PBUH) is used as a figure head by Paul (SOL) to spread his "vision" on the road to some place he called it Damascus
    and pushed by his ego deceived the followers (JEWS) of Essa and called them Christian, and then killed all the real followers of Essa called Nazereens who stood against him.

    November 5, 2011 at 10:42 pm |
    • concerned4487

      proof please

      November 5, 2011 at 10:58 pm |
    • stgeorge

      superficial comment that by the way applies to islam as well.just read the events around the muhammad death and the fight among sahaba of what is the real quran and you will realize that this is not the real islam either.

      November 5, 2011 at 11:27 pm |
  5. Terry

    ISLAM RESPECTS CHRISTIANITY, JUDAISM. Muslims are taught to live by their Christian and Jewish Brothers and Sisters peacefully and respectfully, so as long as they are not oppressed, free to practice their religion, and hold their lands safe. It is not muslim armies on christian lands, it is christian army's on muslim lands and no matter how you cut it, that is the truth that you can't deny.

    November 5, 2011 at 9:57 pm |
    • concerned4487

      Quran (2:216) – "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

      Quran (3:151) – "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"

      Quran (8:12) – "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

      Quran (9:29) – "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book(i.e. jews and christians), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

      Quran (9:30) – "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

      Quran (66:9) – "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end."

      What about the Jewish tribe at Banu Qurayza who surrenedered to Mohammed and he found it fit to slaughter the men and enslave the women and children? Lets contrast this...

      Jesus told us to love our enemies, and pray for those who persecute you! He loves each and every one of us and He proved that, "...while we were yet sinners Christ died for us." Romans 5:8

      Some other bible verses for Muslims to consider, John 14:6, John 3:16-17, Mark 14:62

      November 5, 2011 at 10:55 pm |
    • Terry

      Ha, this is funny...you left out the conditions and context to each of these.... Quran also states that fighting is frowned upon by God, but if you are oppressed, have your lands threatened, and are unjustly persecuted and not allowed to practice your religion, then fighting is better than being oppressed. But, once they back off and cease oppression and you can follow your religion peacefully and they no longer oppress you, then fight them no longer, as God is merciful. But, it is better to be slaughtered than to be oppressed and persecuted. It goes on may times that fighting is not good, but you must fight for your rights when aggressors oppress you. Never be oppressed.

      By the way, the Bible also has wording that allowed the Crusades, and some try to justify slavery... so, do not act so holy. Point is, you leave Muslims alone and don't persecute them, then they must live in peace... which I think is fair. The word Islam means PEACE.

      November 5, 2011 at 11:52 pm |
    • concerned4487

      I don't think I ever acted "so holy" as you put it. I'm also not sure of what context makes,"striking off people's heads and fingertips." acceptable. You've pretty much tried to refute my argument, but offered no real proof only opinions. If the context of these verses makes all the difference then please provide me with them. I highly doubt you will or that the context makes the verses I've provided justifiable. The word Islam also means "submission" or "surrender" not peace. What does it matter what the word Islam means anyway. I could write a book full of hate speech and write peace on the cover and it wouldn't change whats inside the book.

      You say there are numerous verses in the Koran where Mohammed talks about how fighting is bad. I don't disagree with this and actually know this to be true since I have a copy of the Koran in my house, but these contradictions are proof of how Mohammed preached in the moment. If there was an enemy to conquer then Allah wanted you to kill the infidels, but if everything was cool then Islam is a religion of peace. Jesus was consistently a pacifist and peaceful man.

      I'm not saying that all Muslims are violent and don't think I'm trying to attack you personally. I'm just saying that at it's base Islam has some extremely violent teachings and that they are being used daily to murder, create unrest, subjugate women, and all together try to destroy any hope for a peaceful world.

      Have a good day and I hope you honestly think about what I've said. Please don't think I'm some Christian coming on here just trying to badmouth Islam. I have been on a long spiritual journey and thoroughly investigated all religions(including Islam) before accepting Jesus as my savior.

      November 6, 2011 at 1:16 am |
  6. luai johar

    This is Unity in it purest essence. Malcom X seen how blacks and whites united for the common cause, to worship our creator. when he came back he explained how America needs to learn and the best way to stop hatred is to become a Muslim. Americans can learn from Islam instead of being bias. We have to self educate, you cant expect to go to church and have a Pastor teach the teachings of Jesus while he collects money for his luxury life.

    November 5, 2011 at 7:36 pm |
  7. Sultan5

    LIVE PRAYER FROM THE HOLY CITY OF MAKKAH:

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoufAVQqa7I&w=640&h=390]

    November 5, 2011 at 7:20 pm |
  8. Rainer Braendlein

    Don't believe the following nonsense of the false prophet:

    Muhammad daresays, on the cross not Jesus had died, but a person, which resembled to Jesus.

    Sura 4: Verse 157 of the lousy Koran:

    And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah’s messenger – they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.

    ( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #157)

    The crucifixion of Jesus is the center of Christianity. Without Christ’s atonement, there would be not forgiveness and no deliverance. We would be hopeless people.

    In the name of the triune God I assure you that Jesus died for you on the cross. Believe it and get eternal health right now and for free.

    November 5, 2011 at 5:50 pm |
    • moebar

      the very fact that you believe Jesus christ was crucified is based on faith there isnt evidence to prove that he was crucified....the bible doesnt even clarify what happened to Judas and the silver he got for betraying Jesus.....one story is he buys potter field and dies there...in the other he gives the silver to the clerics and hangs himself......

      November 5, 2011 at 6:11 pm |
    • Halo

      @Rainer B-Excellant posts!

      November 5, 2011 at 6:44 pm |
    • Terry

      You are in fact hopeless person. I'm glad you admit it.

      November 5, 2011 at 9:32 pm |
  9. paperjihad

    An early Eid Mubarak to all my Muslim brothers and sisters! Let us not forget the significance of this holy day and commemorate Abraham's willingness to submit and obey God.

    Peace.

    November 5, 2011 at 5:18 pm |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      @paperjihad

      May all Muslims obey God and start to believe in Christ, the Son of God, right now at the moment.

      Gospel of Mark, Chapter 16, Verses 15-16:

      And he (Jesus) said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

      The gospel of Jesus Christ: Jesus died for our sins on the cross. Believe it and get baptized. God will give you a righteous life for free. Overcome your personal sinfulness by the power of Jesus death and resurrection. Read Romans 6!

      November 5, 2011 at 5:37 pm |
    • Terry

      Rainer... Blah Blah Blah.... Muslims do indeed obey the law of GOD, the ONE God; the ONLY GOD; as do Jews, as did MOSES, and ABRAHAM. But, you believe in Three Gods all of a sudden. Strange.

      You, by your very words, obey THREE GODs as you state. So keep blabbing, we don't care.

      November 5, 2011 at 9:42 pm |
    • Terry

      Peace be upon you too brother and Eid Mubarak to all the muslims here. Be proud, strong, united, and fearless, but respectful of others.

      November 5, 2011 at 10:04 pm |
  10. PINK ICE

    omg so many haters of islam!!! seriously shows how ignorant most of u dumb losers are.. u guyz just feed on media..u dont even know sh!t...u can just do 1 thing eating at macdonalds..

    November 5, 2011 at 4:43 pm |
  11. paperjihad

    Just a note to a few folks out there (or specifically one here), just because you may not like a religion's theology doesn't necessarily mean you are on guidance. Yes, Islam utterly rejects the Trinity. We believe God is One; not in a numerical sense, but in the sense there is no other god but God. Why? Numbers are the attribute of created things, and Trinity is certainly characteristic of a number. God is utterly unlike anything in creation.

    If there is someone out there, be they Christian or otherwise who says their god is not my god; then I have no choice than to take their word for it.

    Peace.

    November 5, 2011 at 4:41 pm |
  12. Rainer Braendlein

    Shortly after 634 A. D. in Jerusalem the Christian bishop Sophronius gave the following sermon:

    Why are so many wars fought among us? Why are the barbarian raids
    multiplying? How come so many Arab troops are attacking us? For what reason
    does all this ra-pe and pillage take place? Why is human blood being ceaselessly
    shed? Why are the birds of the heaven devouring bodies of men? Why are
    churches torn down, why is the Cross debased? (…) The God-hating Arabs and
    destructors, the terror from the desert which has been clearly foretold by the
    Prophets, are coming over places where they do not belong, plundering the cities,
    destroying the fields, setting fire to the villages, burning the holy churches and
    deluging the sacred monasteries; they resist Roman troops, waving their trophies
    of war and lay victory to victory (…) But these villains would not have been able
    to do this, they would not have attained the power to do or say such godless
    things, if we had not first debased our dowers and defiled our purity, thus
    angering Christ, the giver of all things (…) We are the reason for all this.

    Let us return to the God Jesus Christ and obey him in daily life. This is the only way to overcome the Muslim threat. We need a strong heavenly protector against the Arabic cult: The triune God.

    November 5, 2011 at 4:06 pm |
    • Steven

      You are strange. Which Arab troops are attacking us ? Are we not the ones on their lands and countries, last time I checked. You, my ignorant citizen, have double standards. If you choose to be meddling in someone elses affairs, land, and country, then you should expect them to stand up and defend themselves. You would do the same for your country. Last time I checked, there are no foreign powers occupying the USofA... except for one foreign country, and we all know about that.

      You have double standards and a clouded logic. Blah Blah Blah

      November 5, 2011 at 4:17 pm |
    • paperjihad

      You certainly have expended a great deal of effort to demonize such a large number of people and a beautiful way of life. And for what end?

      November 5, 2011 at 4:28 pm |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      @papaerjihad

      I don't demonize single Muslims, but merely Muhammad and the Islamic doctrine. Many Muslims may be naive and don't really know the doctrines of Islam. Moreover Jesus has commanded to love even our enemies (worst case a Muslim can be an enemy, but it depends on his knowledge of the Koran).

      According to a survey of the German Minister of the Interior, 60% of the Muslims are secular, i. e. they never attend a mosque sevice or only at feast days. Thus, when I meet a Muslim, there is a high probabilty that he is just a normal man, who works, watches TV, eats and sleeps and is not concerned about fighting the infidels. However, sometimes I may meet one of the 40%, who go to mosque and support Jihad.

      November 5, 2011 at 4:58 pm |
    • Steven

      Oh, so funny... if you go to Mosque you support Jihad.... you are so sad. do you ask those Muslims if they go to Mosque before judging them ???

      Jihad against what by the way ? A foreign power ????? If you are so intelligent, why don't you respond to my points intelligently and intellecutally, instead of merely attacking and writing hate words ?

      November 5, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
    • KissOmmak

      1.8 Billion and growing. We're comin' for you. In the mean time Keep banging your mother, you inbred hillbilly. LOL!!

      November 5, 2011 at 6:11 pm |
  13. Rainer Braendlein

    History proves that yet Muhammad himself was a terrorist:

    Passage from the historical docu-ment "The Teaching of Jacob" or "Doctrina Jacobi", which was drafted between 634 and 640 a. D. shortly after Muhammad's death and at the time when the Muslim conquests began:

    When the candidatus (a confidant of the Roman Emperor) was killed by the Saracens (Saracen means Arab), I was at Caesarea and I set off by boat to Sykamina. People were saying "the candidatus has been killed," and we Jews were overjoyed. And they were saying that the prophet had appeared, coming with the Saracens, and that he was proclaiming the advent of the anointed one, the Christ who was to come. I, having arrived at Sykamina, stopped by a certain old man well-versed in scriptures (Bible), and I said to him: "What can you tell me about the prophet who has appeared with the Saracens?" He replied, groaning deeply: "He is false, for the prophets do not come armed with a sword. Truly they are works of anarchy being committed today and I fear that the first Christ to come, whom the Christians worship, was the one sent by God and we instead are preparing to receive the Antichrist. Indeed, Isaiah said that the Jews would retain a perverted and hardened heart until all the earth should be devastated. But you go, master Abraham, and find out about the prophet who has appeared." So I, Abraham, inquired and heard from those who had met him that there was no truth to be found in the so-called prophet, only the shedding of men's blood. He says also that he has the keys of paradise,

    November 5, 2011 at 4:00 pm |
    • Terry

      Oh, Muhammad was a terrorist was he ? Let's see, the Geneva convention follows ISLAM. There are no conflicts between ISLAM and Geneva; the only difference is that Geneva was made in the past 100 years, and the laws in Islam stand for 1400 years. Muhammad did not fight innocent people, treated POWs with respect and protected churches and synagogues alike. He teachings are this.

      You go carpet bomb anyone, your POWs are given no rights, no trials, no basis.... Educate yourself before you speak. Muhammed fought to survive and spread a message of peace. When the Christian army's attacked, they killed men, women and children without restraint. Muhammed preserved the Christian and Jewish religions and respected them.

      Furthermore, the bombs, guns, rockets, missiles, and all killing machines are invented by Christian army's; torture machines as well. So, you are a hypocrit by saying that Muslims are violent, while it is Christian Army's that spent 100's of years making war machines and killing apparatus. Who then are the terrorists ???? Answer me that riddle you self righteous monger and ignorant person.

      PS, it was Christians that enslaved Africans because the bible told them to do so. Slavery is forbidden in ISLAM and will always be. Muslims FREED the slaves. You are a bigot.

      November 5, 2011 at 9:51 pm |
  14. Rainer Braendlein

    Sura 4, Verse 171 of the unholy Koran:

    O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not “Three” – Cease! (it is) better for you! – Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.

    Interpretation: Muhammad rejects the holy Trinity (Three) and the divine sonship of our Lord Jesus Christ (Jesus was only a messenger).

    The doctrine of the holy Trinity and the divine sonship of Jesus Christ are the basic doctrines of Christianity. Everybody, who rejects these doctrines must be condemned by the Church as a bad heretic. Thus, Muhammad was a damned heretic, who will get ultimately damned at Judgment Day by the Lord Jesus Christ.

    November 5, 2011 at 3:46 pm |
    • Steven

      What about Jews who deny Jesus completely ??? Muslims believe he was a prophet, his immaculate conception, Mary, and that he will be resurrected, and his miracles. Jews deny him completely. What of them ?? Will they also be condemned as you say ?

      Islam means peace in its very nature, educate yourself before blabbing ignorance. Islam teaches only to pick up and defend yourself when someone comes on your land and oppresses you.... let's see, last time I checked, it is foreign powers that are in Muslim lands trying to oppress them... that is called defense. Would you not defend the USofA if some foreign power came here and tried to dominate you and take your lands ? I hope so as a patriot, as your duty as an American. So, why are they terrorists who rise up when attacked from the outside ? You are ignorant and sad.

      Islam teaches peace, and you are threatened by it, its message, and the fact that 1/4 of the worlds population is Muslim, and growing.

      November 5, 2011 at 4:13 pm |
    • Steven

      Care to respond here ?????

      November 5, 2011 at 5:24 pm |
    • Terry

      Hey Rainer you bigot,

      Care to respond to Steven.... or are you only hating towards muslims that share the same trait with Jews. Care to bang on Jews too for the same reason since Jews deny Jesus altogether ? Let's see, probably not you coward and hypocrite. Yet' you say muslms are bad because they don't believe Jesus is God's son, but just a prophet. What then would you say to Jews that deny Jesus even prophethood ?????? You are ignorant and uneducated hillbilly just capable of blabing blabing blabing without making intellectual real sense or following logic at all.

      Fact is you should respect all religons, Jews and Muslims alike, mind your own business live out your meaningless life, and go away with all the other bigots. Your 30 seconds are up.

      November 5, 2011 at 10:02 pm |
  15. Iqbal Khan

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOZSrPF5GNo&w=640&h=390]

    November 5, 2011 at 3:29 pm |
  16. Iqbal Khan

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bUkBuw-6ck&w=640&h=390]

    November 5, 2011 at 3:26 pm |
  17. Rainer Braendlein

    Sura 5: Verse 72 of the unholy Koran:

    They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers.

    ( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #72)

    Interpretation: This verse of the unholy Koran proves that Islam is the downright enemy of Christianity. Muhammad claims that someone, who believes that God is the Messiah Jesus, Son of Mary (Allah is the Messiah, Son of Mary) or in other words someone, who believes that Jesus Christ is God, the Son, is a disbeliever, seen from the Islamic stance.

    In a word: Muhammad condemns Christians as disbelievers, because they ascribe a partner to Allah, which is called Jesus, the Son of God.

    Muhammad designates Christians as evil-doers, which will end up in a hell of fire. What evil do they do? They believe in Jesus, God, the Son.

    The Christian Church teaches that there is no greater sin, than not to believe in Jesus Christ that Jesus Christ is the eternal Son of God or a person of the Holy Trinity.

    Conclusion: Islam and Christianity will be enemies for ever. Their doctrines are fully opposed to each other.

    The true God is Jesus. He proved his divine sonship by the miracles, which he worked and which became known in the whole Roman Empire or civilized world. Jesus loved and cured people. He was really a divine prince of peace. In contrast, Muhammad merely conducted aggressive war and destroyed many guiltless lifes. Muhammad was a prince of death and sorrow. Muhammad merely was a religious tyrant, who will finally get judged by Jesus, the divine judge.

    November 5, 2011 at 3:25 pm |
    • Steven

      Blah Blah Blah.... Is Jesus God or is God the God ? Or, are there two Gods ? Blah Blah Blah.

      Muslims believe that Jesus is a prophet of God. God is the creator of the Universe and EVERYTHING. He is the one that created Jesus, Jesus was a man, son of Mary, who was chosen by God to deliver God's message. Delivering God's message does not make Jesus the Son of God, anymore than Moses, Mohammed, Abraham or any of the other prophets. That is what Muslims believe. They believe in the 10 Commandments, Jesus, Moses, Mohammed, Abraham, that there is one Almighty God that has created all molecules, particles, energy, sun, stars, earth and all plants, and all creatures living in the Universe. He is the maker of all Satans, Angels, Spirits etc. How does he have a son then ? He chose Mary to birth a Prophet of his that will spread his message.

      Also, if Muslims are the enemies of Christianity because they believe that Jesus is God's prophet, then what about the Jews, that deny Jesus completely. At least Muslims recognize him as a prophet, and that he will be resurrected on judgement day.

      You are a hater, spreader of propoganda, and ill-informed. Jesus Christ would not approve of your methods or message, he himself never stated that he was God's son. Therefore, you are not a good Christian if you spread hate, lies, and propoganda. Leave Muslims to their beliefs and you want them to leave you to your beliefs. In the end, the three great religions of the world, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, alll believe in one God, his angels and heavens. That is enough to bind us as we pray to the same God... everything else, differences, are petty. Respect other's as you would have them respect you... I'm sure Jesus Christ would agree with this.

      November 5, 2011 at 3:45 pm |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      @Steven

      You have no idea at all of Christianity. I know the Bible and the Koran. Christianity and Islam are totally opposed.

      God is three and Jesus Christ is God, the Son. The Holy Trinity: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. May they purify their whole universe from wicked cults like the Islam, which is a religion of death, terror and infinite sorrow.

      November 5, 2011 at 3:54 pm |
    • Steven

      Rainer,
      So you then believe that there are three Gods ??? Hmmm, I thought the Bible teaches in only one God, who is God. Did Jesus create the universe, the earth, other people ? His miracles were allowed because God allowed them to be.

      Are you really telling me that in Christianity there are three Gods ???? Sounds like the pagan, the Hindu, and ancient Greeks.... Did Moses not say that there is only one God ???? Did Moses speak of three Gods ??? But, you believe in Moses and his Message from God... so how come he did not believe in 3 Gods ???? Explain that to me Einstein....

      You should also educate yourself of Islam, before making such hateful comments. I respect all three religions enough not to bad mouth them... You bad mouth anyone you don't agree with... Likely, you are not very educated in life. Sad for you.

      November 5, 2011 at 4:03 pm |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      @Steven

      I don't believe that there are three Gods, but I believe that the Trinity consist of three divine persons: The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They together are the Godhead. The divine persons are perfectly united, but not mixed. Analog Jesus had a divine nature and a human nature, which were perfectly united, but not mixed. The human will of Jesus was always subordinate to the divine will of God, the Son. This divine mysteries can only be understood by the help of the Holy Spirit, who is the divine teacher of divine truths or mysteries.

      November 5, 2011 at 4:19 pm |
    • Steven

      Godhead ?????????????????????? Ah, now there is a Godhead... it is not enough to have ONE devine God, the creator of all. Now there are three 'persons' as you mention that make up a Godhead. Oh, I see. Is this in the bible? Well, Judaism and Islam believe in ONE God with his messangers. But, you believe in a Godhead, not in ONE God. Interesting. I only hope you educate yourself and become more tolerant of other's beliefs. Why do you condemn Muslims for saying Jesus is a Prophet of God, but say nothing to the Jews that deny him completely ? Scared are you ? You are conflicted.

      November 5, 2011 at 4:34 pm |
    • Steven

      Furthermore, Rainer... why is it that you feel the need to post hate on a nice article about people worshiping their God in their way. Do Muslims go to Christian sites and post hate messages there about Jesus and God ? Probably not. Therefore, who is the right, who is the wrong, who is the just, who is the unjust, who is the aggressor, who is the peace ? You are posting hate on a peaceful article, which side of right/wrong are you on ? If you believe in Jesus as you say, would he approve in your hate ? Last time I checked, Jesus Christ preached Peace and Tolerence, not attack and hat as you are trying to propogate. I think you have no confidence and don't want others to read about Islam as you are scared to hear the truth and let other's educate themselves of the practices of other religions. Or, you are someone more subversive and are not who you say you are.

      You are the aggressor here on this post, your message is of hate and intolerance no matter how you look at it. You are a scared bigot, no different than the Nazis who persecuted the Jews in Germany, no different than the "Christians" who persecuted African Americans, Catholics, Jews, and now Muslims.... think of that.

      November 5, 2011 at 4:46 pm |
    • KissOmmak

      1.8 Billion Muslims and growing. We're comin' for you. In the mean time Keep banging your sister, you inbred hillbilly. LOL!!

      November 5, 2011 at 6:12 pm |
    • Iqbal Khan

      Please increase your knowledge about islam learn from those who have more knowledge, to start:
      check on youtube.com the following names and listen what they have to say
      Khalid Yaseen--Siraj Wahaj--Dr.Jerald Dirks-Gary Miller--Abdul Raheem Green--Suhaib Webb-Yashua Evans-
      Yusuf Estes-–Yusuf Hamza-–Yusuf Islam-–Jeffry Lang-Yvonne Ridley-and so many others by the way Yvonne Ridley was captured in Afghanistan a must watch and all of the above were not muslims, also read the Quran with Tashreeh (explaination)

      November 5, 2011 at 10:29 pm |
  18. Iqbal Khan

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRFZ1XR_8Y4&w=640&h=390]

    November 5, 2011 at 3:24 pm |
  19. Mia

    Why do you have to post this abusive and offensive links on the same page you are reporting about Hajj ? You guys are the most literate ignorant people ...well you are self imposed imnorant....you are are successful hurting muslim population feelings. Total ignorance!!!!!

    November 5, 2011 at 1:34 pm |
  20. Jesus

    You asked for signs here they are.

    November 5, 2011 at 1:20 pm |
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