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Obama delivers very Christian message at Christmas tree lighting
President Obama and his family at the Thursday night tree lighting.
December 1st, 2011
10:12 PM ET

Obama delivers very Christian message at Christmas tree lighting

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - President Barack Obama delivered an unusually stark Christian message at the White House Christmas tree lighting Thursday night, saying Christ's message "lies at the heart of my Christian faith and that of millions of Americans."

"More than 2,000 years ago, a child was born to two faithful travelers who could find rest only in a stable, among the cattle and the sheep," Obama said at the tree lighting ceremony, a longstanding White House tradition.


"But this was not just any child," Obama continued. "Christ’s birth made the angels rejoice and attracted shepherds and kings from afar. He was a manifestation of God’s love for us."

Obama has been more public and specific about his religious beliefs since polls last year showed that only a minority of Americans know he is Christian. Last Easter, Obama got unusually specific about his beliefs on Christ's resurrection at a White House prayer breakfast.

Some conservative Christian leaders have questioned Obama's Christian faith, even though Obama got his start in politics through church-based political organizing and has written about accepting Jesus in his 20s.

Last month, South Carolina Christian conservative leader Bob Jones III told a reporter “I’ve no reason to think (Obama is) Christian."

“Some people will say whatever they think the politically helpful thing would be,” Jones said. “I say, ‘Where is the evidence that he is a Christian?’ ”

In his remarks at Thursday's tree lighting, Obama said that Jesus "grew up to become a leader with a servant’s heart who taught us a message as simple as it is powerful: that we should love God, and love our neighbor as ourselves."

"So long as the gifts and the parties are happening, it’s important for us to keep in mind the central message of this season," he said, "and keep Christ’s words not only in our thoughts, but also in our deeds."

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Barack Obama • Christianity • Christmas

soundoff (2,184 Responses)
  1. sybaris

    Overheard at the American Legion:

    "That can't be right!
    It's a smokescreen for his agenda cause you know he's black and a Muslim! He11 he wasn't even born in the U.S.!

    December 2, 2011 at 6:26 am |
  2. Nighthhaaawk

    It's very simple, God/Jesus gives us hope. Hope is needed to press on.

    December 2, 2011 at 6:26 am |
  3. jack

    "Obama delivers very Christian message at Christmas tree lighting",

    uh, maybe cause it's the day we celebrate the birth of Christ, duh !

    December 2, 2011 at 6:23 am |
  4. joe

    " I have always thought of Christmas time, when it has come round-apart from the veneration due to its sacred name
    and origin, if anything belonging to it can be apart from that-as a good time; a kind, forgiving, charitable, pleasant time;
    the only time I know of, in the long calendar of the year, when men and women seem by one consent to open
    their shut-up hearts freely, and to think of people below them as if they really were fellow-passengers to the grave,
    and not another race of creatures bound on other journeys."

    Charles Dickens 1843

    December 2, 2011 at 5:52 am |
    • RG

      Awesome!!! Thanks for the Great Dickens quote from "A Christmas Carol". How true his words still are and may we continue to give at this time of year and not forget those who do without.

      December 2, 2011 at 6:29 am |
  5. Christian

    This article is quite funny when your name's Christian...

    December 2, 2011 at 5:50 am |
  6. Deb Pl

    All of these comments from those expounding Christianity are funnier than this story. I love watching the fearful God haters spew.......wonder what they are afraid of?

    December 2, 2011 at 5:50 am |
    • Mirosal

      I don't hate "god". It's rather difficult to hate something that doesn't exist. I fear NO "god", and I fear NO "devil" either, for it is within each and every human being to effectively kill off any "god" or "devil". It's quite easy really. All it takes is a pinch of reasoning, a dash of logic, and a couple shakes of common sense. It's a simple recipe. Simply stop believing, and the "gods" mysteriously die off. Golly gee whiz, I wonder what Zeus and the rest of the ancient deities would say about that? Oh, that's right, they never exixted either, but the civilized Western world STILL followed them.

      December 2, 2011 at 5:56 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      No hate in god. Don't believe any god exists or has existed.
      I am afraid of spiders and snakes and christians who think they can't be wrong-the dangerous people of this world.

      December 2, 2011 at 6:05 am |
    • Catherine

      MIrosal
      " All it takes is a pinch of reasoning, a dash of logic, and a couple shakes of common sense."

      Regardless of what god you believe in the above things you describe can't be applied to NOT believing in a higher power... as the quote goes...."Atheism, The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason whatsoever into self-replicating which then turned into dinosaurs Makes perfect sense.".

      It takes more faith to not believe in a creator then it does to believe. I mean if you leave a room with an empty table and come back and their is a book on it you're more inclined to believe someone has been there since you left then the book created itself.

      Also, this isn't Peter Pan, just because you stop believing doesn't mean things stop existing. 90 some odd percent of the universe is invisible. Things exist every day that people don't see, or don't believe in. But they are still there.

      December 2, 2011 at 7:23 am |
    • Mirosal

      @ Catherine ... please tell me where you got your defnition of the word "atheist". As far as your book ana.logy goes, of course something left the book behind. Even the smartest crooks leave SOMETHING behind that catches them. By using reason I'd be able to determine who broke in and left the book. Simple detective work. Your "god" leaves no evidence of its existence but if we don't believe then we get eternal punishment? Gee what a petty god yours must be. I know life isn't Peter Pan, I've grown up and out of the myths and fairy tales that were force-fed to me for the first 2 decades of my life. So I'm just supposed to take it at face value that a "being" who has always been there just snapped its fingers and *poof* here we are? The supernatural does not exsist. Every civilization has had its gods, ours is no different. All those other gods have since been relegated to mythology. In time yours shall be as well. I don't believe in Zeus, Thor, Apollo, vampires, werewolves, Bigfoot, Nessie, or your deity. I have worked hard, used my brain, had a career in the military, retired, have a 2nd career that dovetails nicely with what I did for all the years in uniform. I thank NO god for what I have, "he" didn't do it. I applied myself and succeeded.

      December 2, 2011 at 7:37 am |
    • Mirosal

      Oh, and that invisible stuff in the universe? It's called "dark matter", and it can be measured.

      December 2, 2011 at 7:38 am |
  7. SCDad

    True meaning of Christmas:
    Christians needed something to replace the Pagan celebration of the Winter Solstice, so the Catholic church invented Jesus's birthday. End of story. How many brainwashed Christians know the truth?

    December 2, 2011 at 5:43 am |
    • Emmanual Veritas

      Do you obey the ten commandments and love your neighbor as you love yourself? If not, then you are not as good a person as you could be, and you are not getting as much out of life as you could be. Jesus helps people accomplish that when people follow and emulate him.

      December 2, 2011 at 6:03 am |
  8. Secular Truther

    Could the fundies wait until the last week of December before everyone has to have magical fairy tales shoved down our throats. How many times does Jesus have to mention in the NT that some people who were alive then are supposed to be alive and well during the end times. Not one of those people are still alive, so I'm pretty sure that Jesus isn't flying to earth ever and the devil's child won't take over the world.

    December 2, 2011 at 5:41 am |
  9. Jimtanker

    This has much more do to with politics than it does with religion.

    December 2, 2011 at 4:42 am |
  10. chuck wagon

    It's good that he shared his faith in Jesus and the true meaning of christmas being Jesus born into the world to deliver us (mankind) from a sin(ful) life. Yes, i have had my doubts about potus, however, that's pretty much my response to every politician. Everyone have safe, joyful christmas enjoy the peace God has provided for all.

    One other thing; after christmas maybe I'll celebrate festivus you bums ...

    December 2, 2011 at 4:35 am |
  11. In God WE ALLways Trust

    A Christian message of a Christian Season from a Christian for a VERY Christian Country.

    GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    December 2, 2011 at 4:29 am |
    • Try Again

      I know that your sentiments are heart-felt and well-meaning, but no god will do *anything* to or for America or anyone else.

      December 2, 2011 at 4:32 am |
    • Memerizer

      Oh yeah, Santa Claus and raindeer...oh yeah real Christian stuff!

      But I digress, I love Christmas and I'm all for the USA!

      December 2, 2011 at 4:40 am |
    • Derp

      Trusting in random events works just as well as any religion and is much more realistic in terms of expectations.

      December 2, 2011 at 4:56 am |
    • In God WE ALLways Trust

      OK...I'll try again

      A VERY Christian message of a VERY Christian President for this VERY Christian Season to this VERY Christian Nation.

      GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      December 2, 2011 at 5:46 pm |
  12. mark

    hopefully this hollywooder will next pack his bags and go back on vacation where he belongs.

    December 2, 2011 at 4:12 am |
    • Chris B

      So, you mean Obama's going to join Congress?

      December 2, 2011 at 5:25 am |
  13. Lili

    This has the stupidest headline ever. Are you for real? He's delivering a Christian message on a Christian holiday?! Next people will be delivering Jewish prayers on Hanukkah, or even celebrating independence on Independence Day!! Whatever is the world coming to?

    December 2, 2011 at 3:44 am |
    • LOL

      It's a PR stunt to appease the birthers and prove he's not a muzzy.

      December 2, 2011 at 3:53 am |
    • doctore0

      Christian = delusion; Why confess it 🙂

      December 2, 2011 at 4:05 am |
  14. Jess

    The holiday is called "Christmas." Christ, as in Jesus Christ. If people don't believe in or follow Jesus, they should not celebrate Christmas. If they want to gift-give and praise a fat guy in a red suit instead, let them create their own "new" holiday – with a different name. Taking the "Christ" out of Christmas destroys the day's entire purpose. Secularization should never have become an issue, but apparently it's been the center of a hot debate for decades past and has come to the forefront yet again.

    December 2, 2011 at 3:34 am |
    • Try Again

      Jess,

      Today is Friday... named in honor of the Norse goddess Frigga. If you do not believe in her, you have no business calling it "Friday".

      December 2, 2011 at 3:39 am |
    • Brett

      Can you please tell me why you decorate a tree and hang up mistletoe and evergreen? Can you tell me why you celebrate Christmas on the 25th of December? None of that is mentioned in the Bible...anywhere.

      December 2, 2011 at 3:40 am |
    • LOL

      On one hand i could LOL, and on the other hand i could ROFL.

      December 2, 2011 at 3:41 am |
    • Andrew

      With the minor caveat that "Christmas" was stolen from Pagen winter solstice traditions, and Jesus or "christ" was most certainly not born in December.

      ... What was that you were saying about Christmas being off limits to non-christians?

      December 2, 2011 at 3:44 am |
    • Hooligan

      and yet if we DON'T celebrate it we are highly criticized.

      Go figure

      December 2, 2011 at 3:46 am |
    • kimw

      Ah, the God haters are out, still burning Christians. You guys make the bible so true by your actions. Out trying to steal Christmas now since you are tired of mocking Jesus. Point is that Christians are well aware of the fact Jesus was not born on the 25th it is simply a tradition to worship Christs birth. Would you feel better if we chose the 25th of March. Would you leave it alone. I doubt it. Like a pack of wolfs you run around with your godless hearts then tell the world how you love your friends. BS you a just as hypocritical as the christians you mock

      December 2, 2011 at 3:46 am |
    • Andrew

      Yes. we are a pack of wolves, we would follow any tradition that allows us to have an excuse to give and receive presents. ... Quit it with the christian persecution complex. You seem to feel persecuted whenever people don't treat your religious beliefs as special. Who cares if 'christmas' has mostly become secularized? It wasn't highly religious to begin with, and even if it was, shouldn't your faith stand strong regardless of if atheists want to give gifts to loved ones at the same time? I mean... really?

      December 2, 2011 at 3:50 am |
    • LOL

      Interesting, but i don't mock Jesus. i mock dogma. Jesus had some very good ideas it was just a poor time to deliver them. (See earlier post about emulating Christ's behavior if you're actually a Christian). Perhaps, kim, you should ask yourself if Christ would approve of your behavior, or if he'd wander off somewhere to be alone and reflect about how things could have gone so terribly wrong. (I also wouldn't care if Christmas was in March, there'd still be an online sale the next day)

      December 2, 2011 at 3:51 am |
    • Jess

      @Try Again, a day dedicated in honor and a day to celebrate a purpose are two entirely different things.
      @Brett, first of all, you're implying that I am a Christian. No where did I state that, so please do not jump to conclusions. In regards to Christians decorating a tree and hanging up a mistletoe, that is, like I alluded, due to secularization. This so-called modern conception of a "Christmas Spirit" which is so prevalently held amongst the world is misguided and strays from the holiday's intended purpose. The day is meant to honor Jesus and celebrate his birth, not to "hang up mistletoe[s] and evergreens."
      @LOL, Unnecessary comment. Please take your LOLing elsewhere or return with constructive criticism. Thanks.

      December 2, 2011 at 3:53 am |
    • LOL

      That was entirely constructive, i didn't use any of the 7 deadly words you can't say on prime time.

      December 2, 2011 at 3:54 am |
    • Get Real

      kimw,

      So you think that secularists have stolen your holiday(s) (ahem, after you stole it/them from Pagans).

      No secularist celebrates your Pentecost with candy flaming tongues, chocolate doves, 'n stuff... nor do they horn in on your Ascension Day, Assumption of Mary Day, Immaculate Conception Day, or your other religious myth celebrations.

      December 2, 2011 at 3:57 am |
    • Jess

      @Get Real, you are correct, in a sense. Christmas did have some of its roots in a pagan holiday. However, that wasn't truly Christian in nature. The process of Christmas' development occurred gradually over time. Its ties with paganism were slolwy removed as it focused strictly on the "Jesus" aspect. Keep in mind, long ago the world was hardly Catholic/Christian; in fact, the religious were still being persecuted. Although it is mere speculation all around, I personally believe it unlikely that the religious wanted to make the holiday blazingly revolutionary. Do you, personally, believe that the general population, composed of many people who believed in the Roman gods, would be willing, or even able, to accept such a radical change?

      December 2, 2011 at 4:12 am |
    • Try Again

      Jess
      "@Try Again, a day dedicated in honor and a day to celebrate a purpose are two entirely different things."

      Nope. The Frigga worship faded away from "Friday", just as the Christ worship has faded and will continue to fade away from "Christmas".

      December 2, 2011 at 4:14 am |
    • Jess

      If you are correct that "Friday" was actually a day of worship for Frigga, then the day should have remained so, not have become belittled to simply being another day of the week. Unfortunately, there's little hope that people will be able to reform the calender and replace "Friday" with another, more suitable name. Christmas, however, has yet to fall to that degree. It's up to the world to keep strong its purpose. Your apocalyptic claim about Christmas doesn't necessary have to become a reality.

      December 2, 2011 at 4:30 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      First of all, the origin of the holiday is pagan. It was a week long celebration of the changing of the season. Christians stole this holiday just as they did Easter.
      "Roman pagans first introduced the holiday of Saturnalia, a week long period of lawlessness celebrated between December 17-25. During this period, Roman courts were closed, and Roman law dictated that no one could be punished for damaging property or injuring people during the weeklong celebration. The festival began when Roman authorities chose “an enemy of the Roman people” to represent the “Lord of Misrule.” Each Roman community selected a victim whom they forced to indulge in food and other physical pleasures throughout the week. At the festival’s conclusion, December 25th, Roman authorities believed they were destroying the forces of darkness by brutally murdering this innocent man or woman." (http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm)
      Second, replacing christ with and an x is not taking your beloved jesus out of the picture...the 'x' is a representation of that deity.
      "Xmas" is a common abbreviation of the word "Christmas". It is sometimes pronounced /ˈɛksməs/, but it, and variants such as "Xtemass", originated as handwriting abbreviations for the typical pronunciation /ˈkrɪsməs/. The "-mas" part is from the Latin-derived Old English word for "Mass", while the "X" comes from the Greek letter Chi, which is the first letter of the Greek word Χριστός, translated as "Christ".
      Third, if jesus was actually born there is no evidence that states it would have been born during the winter.
      The year of Jesus birth was determined by Dionysius Exiguus, a Scythian monk, “abbot of a Roman monastery. His calculation went as follows:

      a. In the Roman, pre-Christian era, years were counted from ab urbe condita (“the founding of the City” [Rome]). Thus 1 AUC signifies the year Rome was founded, 5 AUC signifies the 5th year of Rome’s reign, etc.

      b. Dionysius received a tradition that the Roman emperor Augustus reigned 43 years, and was followed by the emperor Tiberius.

      c. Luke 3:1,23 indicates that when Jesus turned 30 years old, it was the 15th year of Tiberius reign.

      d. If Jesus was 30 years old in Tiberius’ reign, then he lived 15 years under Augustus (placing Jesus birth in Augustus’ 28th year of reign).

      e. Augustus took power in 727 AUC. Therefore, Dionysius put Jesus birth in 754 AUC.

      f. However, Luke 1:5 places Jesus’ birth in the days of Herod, and Herod died in 750 AUC – four years before the year in which Dionysius places Jesus birth.

      December 2, 2011 at 5:11 am |
  15. Fonseka

    What's wrong with Obama????????????????

    December 2, 2011 at 3:32 am |
    • LOL

      What isn't wrong with Obama? he's a crook like all the rest of the politicians (either party) in a long line of crooks that have held public office of some sort for at least as long as i've been alive (and i remember roller disco, if that gives you any indication)

      December 2, 2011 at 3:34 am |
  16. LOL

    i like being in an atheist family over the holidays. we all drink beer and eat ham, and there's 0 drama.

    December 2, 2011 at 3:19 am |
    • LOL

      ...not that we're particularly celebrating anything, but beer's on sale and ham's on sale. cant pass that up.

      December 2, 2011 at 3:23 am |
    • Brett

      You're celebrating life, no? Nothing wrong with that.

      December 2, 2011 at 3:27 am |
    • Jorge Casablanca

      I am a devout follower of chinese food during the "holidays".

      December 2, 2011 at 3:29 am |
    • LOL

      if you wish to leave it at that it's fine. the only holiday i actually practice is the 4th. i drink beer, sing happy birthday to the US, bbq something, and call it good. i celebrate (or don't) as i see fit, and if you choose to celebrate (or don't) as you see fit it doesn't bother me, either, as long as nothing's blowing up.

      December 2, 2011 at 3:30 am |
    • Tim

      I'm willing to bet that people both of faith and not, all have drama and problems. You think people of faith sit around arging about their faith? Most likely, they assume they're of the same opinions/beliefs and don't argue either, and they either have drama and problems or not. I'm pretty sure fools and drama queens exist in both the secular and non secular circles.

      December 2, 2011 at 3:41 am |
    • LOL

      They do indeed, Tim, but there's nothing like dogma to bring out the truly crazy statements. I would find it a relief if Christians stopped believing in Christ and threw out the dogma and attempted instead to be Christ-Like and emulate his (if the tales are to be believed) notions on charity, peace, and honesty. Nothing wrong with being spiritual if that's what gets you through your day, but it's not for me.

      December 2, 2011 at 3:44 am |
    • Tim

      I would consider myself a Christian, but how I say and debate things, most people think I'm a Liberal Agnostic. I don't completely blame people for not trusting anyone that says they're Christian. Most that do are frauds and most commit horrible and immoral acts in the name of so-called Christianity. When most are fools and frauds, it's a little hard to think there are any Christians thay are legitimate and not completely crazy.

      December 2, 2011 at 4:01 am |
    • LOL

      I don't see anything wrong with a healthy degree of questioning and skepticism if you're going to believe in something. Only fools follow blindly.

      December 2, 2011 at 4:04 am |
    • LOL

      And with that, i am out. i have to crash and get up at the butt crack of dawn. crappy payroll applications don't code themselves (yet). Enjoyable posts, Tim, i think you're one of 4 rational people on this forum at this time.

      December 2, 2011 at 4:08 am |
  17. Brett

    On December 25th, I will be celebrating the ORIGINAL holidays of the Winter Solstice and Yule, which are traditions thousands of years older than Christmas. I'll also be decorating my house with Evergreen wreaths and trees, which are Pagan symbols of life and fertility. So Happy Winter Solstice to you all! Yuletide Greetings! In the spirit of the season, I forgive any Christians for thinking they have a patent on the Holiday.

    December 2, 2011 at 3:09 am |
    • Mom of Three

      THANK YOU! This is exactly the reason why my atheist family still has a tree, and decorations and presents. The Church absconded with those traditions in order that the Pagans would more comfortably assimilate to Christianity. They learned before that completely yanking a new population out of their cultural pretexts and celebrations did not lead to conversion, but bloodshed. Crusades, anyone?

      December 2, 2011 at 3:13 am |
    • kimw

      Mom of three
      Athiest family isn't that an oxymoron

      December 2, 2011 at 3:16 am |
    • Observer

      kimw,

      "Athiest family isn't that an oxymoron"

      Can't get much more CLUELESS than that statement.

      December 2, 2011 at 3:19 am |
    • Try Again

      kimw,

      What is your definition of "atheist". What are the properties and attributes of one?

      I do not think that you know what it means.

      December 2, 2011 at 3:24 am |
    • Jorge Casablanca

      Isn't that ironic? Don't you think?

      December 2, 2011 at 3:27 am |
    • kimw

      Observer
      Get your bible out, time for a lesson. Jesus said anyone that does not hate his mother, brother and sisters cannot enter the kingdom. He was refering to the fact your family consists of those that follow Chirst not your blood line. Atheists have no God (they have gods) and reject Christ thus will not have an eternal family. From an eternal viewpoint atheist family is an oxymoron

      December 2, 2011 at 3:29 am |
    • Brett

      My family consists of a group of people who I love for being them. There's no ulterior motive of getting into heaven, I just enjoy them.

      December 2, 2011 at 3:33 am |
    • kimw

      Brett
      That is sweet and if you do not know God those verses I mentioned will not make sense. Enjoy your friends but do not close your eyes to Jesus if he starts tugging at your heart. Jesus will not force His way in just remain open

      December 2, 2011 at 3:36 am |
    • Mirosal

      @ kimw .. You said atheists have no God, they have gods. I would like to know just what (or which) "gods" atheists have? If an atheist has any god, then he or she wouldn't be an atheist. You'd better look up that word.

      December 2, 2011 at 3:41 am |
    • Observer

      kimw,
      "Atheists have no God (they have gods) and reject Christ thus will not have an eternal family. From an eternal viewpoint atheist family is an oxymoron"

      You don't have a clue in the world what an atheist is. They have gods? Wow. Since you don't have any idea, I'll tell you. Atheists don't believe in ANY GODS. Atheists that do what is right do so because the have reasoned it out and not because of bribes (heaven) and threats (hell) like Christians. To your warped point of view, all altheists should apparently be mass-killers that are in jail except of course many of them are hugely productive people like Carl Sagan.

      Seiously, you really need to get more education about these topics so you worn't be making such foolish statements. Get some sleep and start reading something other than a Bible. It contains no science, math, etc. that will help you be more rounded.

      Good luck.

      December 2, 2011 at 3:41 am |
    • Tim

      So, what's new? Everyone knows Christmas and Easter use Pagan symbols and traces of their ritutuals. That doesn't make them continue to be Pagan, even if they are Pagan based. That said, I think both of those holidays are ridiculous and feed on corruption, commercialism and desperation and I have no use for them.

      December 2, 2011 at 3:43 am |
    • kimw

      Observer
      You do too have gods. Your little manmade gods are what fills you empty soul. Science and materialism are your little gods. You are so filled with false pride you want to pretend you are above every vice of man since the beginning of history. Go look in the mirror. Look at where you spend your time and money. Someone who fears God puts the things of God first. Everyone else puts something or someone else first. That is your god. The people of old would make carve little figures or whatever. You really smart atheists would never do that and deny you lust after education, money etc. I have never yet met a godless man or woman that did not have a secret god (note little g, refers to Mammon)

      December 2, 2011 at 3:58 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @kimw: you're a moron!! We don't have gods. We don't have a soul!! Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god. Sould is simply a word used by christians...if we don't believe in your delusion, we certainly don't believe in your god. Get your head out of your buybull and attempt to read a real booked based on 21st century facts!

      December 2, 2011 at 5:15 am |
  18. The R.O.T.P.

    no more mercy ever again, just punishment for mankinds evil and wicked deeds for now on... since, 12-24-2009..

    December 2, 2011 at 3:03 am |
  19. Observer

    kimw,

    First of all, I am an agnostic, so your comments weren't accurate to start with.
    Secondly, the ONLY people that could hate God are Christians and other BELIEVERS.

    December 2, 2011 at 2:55 am |
    • kimw

      Your rhetoric is filled with back stabs at Christians and the bible. It is you that is filled with hate against Christians. Sorry, your sin was exposed by some insensitive Christian but that does not make all Christians bad. It also does not make Jesus bad. All Jesus did was die to give anyone that wanted a chance a chance.
      You need to be careful as in your hidden evil may just turn some innocent Christian away from God. What good is that to you unless you are of darkness yourself.

      December 2, 2011 at 3:09 am |
    • Observer

      My comments are directed at the many Christian HYPOCRITES who selectively use the Bible as an EXCUSE to trash other people and deny others equal rights. Everyone should be free to decide for themselves the meaning of life and practice their religion in their homes and places of worship as long at they don't try to deprive others of the same freedom.

      December 2, 2011 at 3:17 am |
    • kimw

      Observer
      That is a bunch of nonsense. I thought you argued that morality was through man and not a God breathed Divine standard. If it is through man then anyone can do what ever they want in the dark corners of their lives. If morality is of God then the gay community should feel guilt. Look hard at the gay community. Nothing but a misplaced guilt over their sin. The attacks are not against christians but God. Christians are just a convient way to download guilt.
      If you want to help your brothers and sisters go tell them the source of their hate and guilt is the rejection of God. Perhaps a few live can be saved.

      December 2, 2011 at 3:23 am |
    • Observer

      kimw,
      If you REALLY cared about sinners, you'd be here trashing all your fellow Christians who commit the Ten Commandment sin of adultery by remarrying. There are FAR FAR MORE Christian adulterers than there are total gays who commit an abomination (like eating shellfish).

      It's all pick and choose hypocrisy. Pick what you like from the Bible and ignor the rest, like the Golden Rule.

      Are you saying that Christians are so ignorant that they need God to tell them that it's not a good idea to kill everyone? Most people are smart enough to figure that out. You don't have much confidence in the intelligence of Christians.

      December 2, 2011 at 3:32 am |
    • Derp

      If there was such a thing as intrinsic or absolute morality, you wouldn't ever need a Bible to tell you what is moral.

      I swear, some people are just so idiotic in their lack of understanding and reasoning abilities it makes me wish we could round them all up and put them in a big asylum where they can't hurt anybody.

      December 2, 2011 at 3:48 am |
  20. Unknown

    Forget it Obama, even if Jesus himself said Obama is a Christian, the GOP would still call him a Muslim.

    December 2, 2011 at 2:47 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      he's really a closet atheist. he panders to the religious zealots in this country for one reason: votes.

      December 2, 2011 at 2:48 am |
    • Observer

      Most of our presidents pandered to the religious side for votes. It's only when you read their personal writings that you realize how many weren't nearly as religious as "advertized".

      December 2, 2011 at 2:53 am |
    • Mom of Three

      Agreed. If the religious knew how many closeted atheists there really are, they wouldn't believe it. Even at their own places of worship, even in their homes. Obama has always struck me as being too smart and not fear-based enough to believe that tripe. But yes, he needs the votes, so I get it.

      December 2, 2011 at 3:04 am |
    • Observer

      Mom of Three,

      I agree.

      December 2, 2011 at 3:07 am |
    • Tim

      Exactly, all politicians lie, on both sides, which makes it extremely silly that religious based people and conservatives typically vote Republican because, for really no reason at all, they believe the Republican, lying politicians are somehow more morally sound and represent their faith moreso than the Democrat, lying politicians. That's the most offensive and foolish thing about politics and how people vote. If anything, people of faith should find it offensive that a politician even brings their religious beliefs into the public eye and see it for what it is; pandering for votes.

      December 2, 2011 at 3:47 am |
    • Derp

      Good post, Tim.

      December 2, 2011 at 3:49 am |
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